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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's Ashley and I have I have the

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Speaker 2: lovely Ellen from the Golden Bachelor. Here. Ellen, your storyline

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Speaker 2: to me was probably like one of the ones that

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Speaker 2: made me feel the most because right off the bat

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Speaker 2: we hear about your friend who passed away, and I

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Speaker 2: think that was like the first time I cried during

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Speaker 2: the Golden Bacheloh, and then maybe you at the reunion

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Speaker 2: show was probably the last time I cried.

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Speaker 3: Oh. They really just brought it out of me. I

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Speaker 3: mean like he really pulled me out of my covering

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Speaker 3: zone because I'm not good with that. And you know,

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Speaker 3: first I had to see the rejection with Gary, which

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Speaker 3: was hard, and you know, I've come to terms with

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Speaker 3: it and everything and I really have. It really is

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Speaker 3: helped me. But we finished that and then he was like,

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Speaker 3: but we can't like go without leaving without talking about ROBERTA.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, this is going to be a

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Speaker 3: double whammy. I mean it's really going to get to me.

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Speaker 3: And the truth is when he started bringing that out,

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Speaker 3: it started like saying, well, I probably would never have

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Speaker 3: had this experience if it wasn't for her Roberta. And

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Speaker 3: then when he said, I said, you know, I miss

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Speaker 3: her a lot, and I sort of got chearry eyed,

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Speaker 3: which I usually I'm okay with that, you know, I

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Speaker 3: was usually controlled. But then when he said, like, there's

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Speaker 3: someone here that wants to see you, and I was like, who, Like,

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Speaker 3: don't freaking my kids are here or somebody. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it is Courtney And I said, oh my god. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't even supposed to leave the stage. I wasn't supposed

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Speaker 3: to get up. I said, I don't, I'm making the

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Speaker 3: rules and I went down, and I just like, it

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Speaker 3: was amazing the last time you'd seen her. I see

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Speaker 3: her a lot. I do, but not in California, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean staying at her mom's house, Roberta's house for

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Speaker 3: the because she had bought a condo in my community

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Speaker 3: and was her wish to live near us with our fiance,

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Speaker 3: and he bought her a condo in my community. She said,

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Speaker 3: I'm retiring, so you can use my office in the bedroom,

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Speaker 3: you know, Roger, really, well, it's just going to be

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Speaker 3: for the summer, like camp, you know. And we had

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Speaker 3: one summer together and it was done, so I'm still

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Speaker 3: there and she's not, so it's really freaky. But Courtney's

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Speaker 3: been coming to visit and go through stuff with me,

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Speaker 3: and you know, stuff like that, so she's like a daughter.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we know Bert and I know each other

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Speaker 3: since we're ten years old. So it's been a whirlwind.

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Speaker 3: It is very high emotions, low emotions, feelings all over

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Speaker 3: the place, which is so not like me.

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Speaker 2: So you and ROBERTA, when did you sign yourself up

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Speaker 2: for the show with her?

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Speaker 3: I think she's sort of starting right. Well, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: team at all.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't she just did it completely.

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Speaker 3: No, she did know I did it, but she gave

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Speaker 3: me such gar built that this is my life right now.

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Speaker 3: You're my best friend forever. We watched The Bachelor twenty

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Speaker 3: years together. I need to see this first. That's why

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Speaker 3: the first episode was so meaningful because I need to

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Speaker 3: see this first episode with you. I need to get there,

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Speaker 3: have a destination, have a desire to keep going, and

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Speaker 3: how are you going to get realed? So but I

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Speaker 3: just want you to do it for me And I said, no,

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Speaker 3: I can't do that. She said, you're going to tell

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Speaker 3: someone that you love since you're ten years old with

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Speaker 3: that you can't do the one thing.

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Speaker 1: Just apply, so you just.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to do it, so I just apply.

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Speaker 3: And I said, Okay, what's a big I'll apply. Nothing's

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Speaker 3: going to happen. I mean literally, I mean thirty thousand

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Speaker 3: people applying, I'm just going to apply. So I didn't care,

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Speaker 3: and I care enough for her, but I just did it.

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Speaker 3: And then when the casting productive producers came on and

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Speaker 3: I was like, go, go for ask me whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. And I was so relaxed because you know, Jay,

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Speaker 3: And he said, wow, you're so naturally so calm. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say to him because I really

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Speaker 3: And then one thing led to another. The next thing

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm being fingerprinted and I'm getting a background check.

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Speaker 3: I go, oh my god, I hope they don't find

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Speaker 2: So when you found out that Gary was going to

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Speaker 2: be the Golden Bachelor, had you'd already been casted?

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Speaker 3: Cast No, As a matter of fact, I was, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I was really casted without knowing. If I remember correctly,

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Speaker 3: I was anticipating his back being turned around.

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Speaker 2: So we saw on that one post.

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Speaker 3: I knew I was going, but I wasn't sure if

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Speaker 3: When he turned around, I was like, oh, yummy, good.

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Speaker 3: He's cute, you know. And I didn't mean yummy, you

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Speaker 3: out to be a really great guy. He just wasn't

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Speaker 3: a guy for me and I wasn't the girl for him,

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Speaker 3: and it taught me a lot. He made very good

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Speaker 3: So I am really happy for her. I was her

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Speaker 3: but I sincerely was happy for her. I'm happy for

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Speaker 2: When you found out that you were officially cast in

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Speaker 2: that Gary was the bachelor and you saw his picture,

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Speaker 2: what was the conversation like between you and Roberta.

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Speaker 3: I first I told her I hated her, and then

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Speaker 3: I said I'm gonna go. What happened was I had

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Speaker 3: you so much because it wasn't for you. And Roberta

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Speaker 3: kept saying to me the whole time. That's where I

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Speaker 3: get this from. Never say never, so you'll meet somebody.

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Speaker 3: It may not be your guy, but whatever, never say never.

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Speaker 3: You're going on that plane. You're going to get to go.

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Speaker 3: But it was. It was really scary, and I knew

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Speaker 3: So but she kept motivating me and said, I said,

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Speaker 3: My boys said, Ma, you can't go with it like that,

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Speaker 3: just so glad in a way. This is terrible to say,

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't a good match anyway, where we probably

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Speaker 3: Like he said that, Gary did say to me that

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Speaker 3: But I always felt I could be myself with Ellen,

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Speaker 2: Your friendship is seriously so special.

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Speaker 3: It was very feel like sixty years a long time.

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Speaker 2: It feels like you guys were like.

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Speaker 3: I lost my go to person, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of very good friends in Delray.

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Speaker 3: I visit them all the time. My family is in

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Speaker 3: just it was a true, honest to goodness sister friendship

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Speaker 3: it's a gift. That's what I said doing Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, she did put you on a path that that

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Speaker 2: like changed your life for sure, because totally you didn't

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Speaker 2: know that you took so much goodness away from it,

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Speaker 2: and you took a lot of hope from it. I did,

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Speaker 2: And now you really feel like you can find love again.

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Speaker 3: And I got three days on three Saturdays in a row.

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Speaker 2: No tell us about these men.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I wish I did, either someone that

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Speaker 3: knows somebody or somebody's grandpa that you know I was

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Speaker 3: a teacher of a long time ago. Or it's just people.

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Speaker 3: It's a drink. It's a drink, it's a hello, it's

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Speaker 3: a meet and chat. You know, that's it. It's an hour.

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Speaker 3: If it's longer than an hour, could be a dinner

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Speaker 3: date one night. But I stop at an hour all

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Speaker 3: the time. I haven't dated in a long time, but

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Speaker 3: I remember stopping it an hour. If it really works,

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Speaker 3: then it's time for another day. If it didn't work,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't meant to be anyway. So the hour is

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Speaker 3: like a healthy hour.

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Speaker 2: I love that because my mom's always taught me leave

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Speaker 2: when you're having fun, leave them wanting more exactly. And

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Speaker 2: I feel like an hour day is the person, and

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Speaker 3: I think about thank got out to spend another minute

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Speaker 2: It means like I'd like to be serious.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm enough to freak out anybody because I'm crazy

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Speaker 2: So you are making it sound as if, now you

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Speaker 2: but when you're on the show, you were. You were

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Speaker 2: first one. So why the clarity now, Well.

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Speaker 3: What happened was I felt like he felt very comfortable

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Speaker 3: and the jokes, and he was just totally like not

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Speaker 3: what they portray as crying machine on television. He was

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Speaker 3: for him because he was very nice to look at.

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Speaker 3: He was a lot of fun to be with, and

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Speaker 3: I said, I haven't felt this way with a man

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Speaker 3: this is so out of my comfort zone. If it's

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Speaker 3: So I walked into this room with these gorgeous gowns

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Speaker 3: funny jokes this time. I mean I really dug him.

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Speaker 3: I mean I really thought he was really really cool

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Speaker 3: So I'd like it to I would like it to

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Speaker 3: I don't want to sell my beautiful Kondo a love

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was willing to do fifty and fifty,

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Speaker 3: the right person for him anyway. So Teresa is definitely

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Speaker 3: perfect for him. They'll be happily ever after.

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Speaker 2: Oh so sweet? All right, Well, we are rooting for

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Speaker 2: you and make upsdates on these dates? Can we you

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Speaker 2: be our golden Bachelor on the Almost Jamous podcast and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna send you on dates everywhere? You're going to

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Speaker 2: report back? That'd be so fine.

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Speaker 3: I will, but I will not mention names in case

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Speaker 3: it's a real dud. You know. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: kiss a lot of frogs, just a couple, and maybe

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Speaker 3: the one of those frogs will turn into a prince.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be nice? Yes? Thank you, Ellen, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for having me. Bye.

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