1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this Sandy, and again Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: I've never told you production of My Heart Radio. I 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: always haven't pretend like I'm surprised, like I'm still here. 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: I love it. I love your tone of surprise, always 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: with you, the tone of surprise they have you have 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: to switch it up because you know why not. Definitely 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: keep me and the listeners on our toes. I actually, 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: how do you feel about a good like surprise or twist? 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: In media's at the it's according to what kind of 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: surprise or twist there is. Like I will say, if 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: it gets too dark and I don't know there's a 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: happy ending, I'm going to quit. But if you tell 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: me that's going to be a happy ending, I'll be better. 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: I love a good surprise, um, and it a twist 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: like if it's if it's just ridiculous and unearned, I 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: don't like that, right, But something like from these movies 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about today, Star Wars, I Am Your Father. 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: I would have loved to have had that surprise. It's 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: kind of like the I See Dead People. Yeah. I 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: did love that too. I had Yeah, I went through 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: such a big sixth sense phase because I love horror, 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: and good horror can sometimes be hard to find, all right, 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: And to be fair, you only can get that once, 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: I know. But you are someone who has watched movies 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: with me, and movies that I love, and you know, 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: I get reinvested every time, as if I was like, oh, 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: it's almost like you get surprised again, like the way 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: you're so invested that when I look at your face, 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh my god, that I truly believe 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: that it's the first time you've seen it. Yeah, and 31 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: I've I've wondered about that. And I had a friend 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: who kind of like interviewed me. She said, so, tell me, 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: why is it every time we watched these movies you've 34 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: seen hundreds of times together, you act as though you've 35 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: never seen it. And I was trying to explain that 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: for me, it's almost like I can count on these 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: feelings and sensations it gives me every time, and that's 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: why I keep watching them and I love those. It's 39 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: almost like writing a roller coaster. I love writing roller coasters. 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: Write a million times. You see, It's true because when 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: we've written ride together, you do act like it's a 42 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: new thing for you. You're so excited about it in advance. 43 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: So for you when we were talking about the Star 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: Wars that was the first time you wrote it. What 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: was your feels other than because the initial was that 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: you were so excited that you almost told like you 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: almost had tears in your You did have tears in 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: your eyes as you're like, we're gonna write it. What 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: was your feel after the fact that you wrote it 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: for the first time? You were quiet? I why, I 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 1: was like almost euphoria, just a relief and a happiness 52 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: that we did this. I've been so worried about it. 53 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: I thought we would never make it happen. And it 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: was around two pm that we finally got to write it, 55 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: and it was just I can't believe that it happened. 56 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: All these things could have gone wrong and we did, 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: and we were we were kind of scared that I 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: was gonna go wrong, whether it was weather, whether it 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: was being backed up, whether it would break down. Because 60 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: also I had this experience with you with the and 61 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: I was like, we can't leave here without you actually 62 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: writing this ride, because I think that would have been 63 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: one of the biggest disappointments for you and for me 64 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: to see you write it to see you after the 65 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: fact and the stories that you had, But it's kind 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: of that same level. Yeah, I am so glad you 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: were like, you have to write this ride no matter 68 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: what I really know, I wasn't gonna let you leave 69 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: with that. U. I love how supportive you are. It's 70 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about you made it sure 71 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: that happened, and I am so glad and I wrote 72 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: that right, I will say, you make it easy because 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: I know what you love. Yes, And that's like first 74 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: and foremost one of the things that I love about 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: my friends. And and by the way, when we read 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: the listener letter about her friend doing the Harry Potter, 77 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: she actually tweeted. Her friend tweeted about how much she 78 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: loved her friend for doing that. That is the that 79 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: is the stuff that I love about women loving women 80 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: and our female supporting females. But that is what I see, like, 81 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, and he has to do 82 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: this because she loves of course, I love to teach 83 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: you and be like, no, it's never happening. But just 84 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: watching this movie, just seeing you on these rise, this 85 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: passion I don't know I've ever I've ever felt passionate 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: like that. And you do, and it's fun to watch. 87 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad because, as I said in the 88 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: last one in part one of our Princess Least Star 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Wars Overview, I've been embarrassed about it, like still to 90 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: this day, I struggle with it. I think fandom is 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: more accepted now, but when I was younger, I definitely 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: felt like a weirdo, all right. And even my older 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: brother who loved Star Wars um he would make fun 94 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: of me for liking Star Wars and he said I 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: was too into it and it was strange. I'm Luckily 96 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: for me, I was too in it to be deterred. 97 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: And I love that. I think people who love things 98 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: are genuinely you know who they are, and to me, 99 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: they are die hards and loyal and loyalty is really 100 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: hard to find. Yeah, yeah, And I think that fandoms 101 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: certainly can be toxic, and we've talked about that before. 102 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: And I am someone who, ah, I'm able to separate 103 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: the things that I love about Star Wars in particular, 104 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: or anything that I do really love the of things 105 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: into bad things. And like, sure, I didn't like this movie, 106 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: but that doesn't ruin everything else. For me, And I 107 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: know for some people it does right, but for me 108 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't. And I think I'm just to put this 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: out there. Loving anything too much obsession is dangerous, but 110 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: to be able to love something, it's a genuinely good thing. 111 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: And for those who support friends, those who uh for 112 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: me like I Again, I think I've talked about this before, 113 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: about attachment issues. I don't quite understand this level of 114 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: this bond, but I love it when I see it 115 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: because I wish I could be as in it as 116 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: as you are. Well you, I'm so glad it meant 117 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: so much to me that you watch these a feed 118 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: and you shared it with me, Um, because yeah, we are. 119 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: This is our part two of her epic um Star 120 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: Wars Princessly a Feminism Overview. Please go check out part 121 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: one if you haven't listened to it already, in which 122 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: we talk about the cultural impact of Star Wars and 123 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: Leah and we did the plot overview of a New 124 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: Hope and Empire strikes Back from the original trilogy because 125 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: we're mostly focusing on those Um, and today we're going 126 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: to start with Return of the Jedi, which is the 127 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: final one in this original trilogy. UM. It's much maligned. Uh, 128 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: it was my favorite as a kid. It's still my 129 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: second favorite, and you can judge me for that if 130 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: you want. But in Paris, tris back number one, turing 131 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: the Jedi New Hope. So in Return of the Jedi, 132 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Lea poses as a bounty hunter to infilstrate Joba's palace 133 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: to save Han, which, by the way, I didn't know 134 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: who Jaba was, and that and and he had to 135 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: tell me who the green Slide was. I got it. 136 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: I got it. And a lot of people joke that 137 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: she's on a mission to save her prints. I agree 138 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: with that, but it's found out after freeing Han from 139 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: carbonite and enslaved by Java chained by his side, which 140 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: is the scene on that I know. Yes, um, this 141 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: is where slave Leiah and the metal bikini comes in. That, 142 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. It was very sexist, but 143 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: damn she looked good in it. She did, she did? 144 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: You looked good, which, by the way, again was one 145 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: of the three scenes that I knew about. Of course 146 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: everyone knows about that, I guess everyone. So Luke, Han 147 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: and Chewy are sent us to death as they fight 148 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: their way out, and Leia strangles Java with her Chase 149 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: because she is a badassuh and she kills him with 150 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: the tools of her oppression and escapes. And by the way, 151 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: I think I didn't make it a few comments about 152 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: how Chewi looked really rough in these things he did, 153 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: and I always forget possibly someone doesn't know my level 154 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: of nerd um nerd him, and I know you had 155 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: to deal with that, because I'll just forget like, oh, 156 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: you don't know all these things that I just know. 157 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Java is kind of this big crime lord 158 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: who um han had a big debt too, and so 159 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: after we got frozen in carbonite, got sent to job 160 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: hanging on his wall like an ornament. Um So I 161 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: learned about the Mandalorian at this point. I don't think 162 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: I ever explained that properly to you, but yes, because 163 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: well I think if you didn't, uh, my partner Joe 164 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: to try to and I was just like standing back 165 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: and forth at both of you. Um So I learned 166 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: about the two of them. I also learned that the 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: original clunky seen was do to Java, right. Uh yeah, 168 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: well it's de Gredo. Who's Holly Fry superfan, Holly fries 169 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: favorite character. I'm not calling her super fan she's super 170 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: she is an expert. You're right we should give her 171 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: the respect she is do. Um yeah, yeah, I actually 172 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: have a whole thing. And I'm going to come back 173 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: to this once we get to the newer movies. But 174 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: are you I'm not sure you're aware of this, Samantha, 175 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: But a lot of people love Boba Fett, who is 176 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: the bounty hunter that that looks like the mandalorian Um. 177 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: And I just think he's bad at his job. And 178 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: well I did keep asking where's the baby was his name? 179 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: Well everyone calls him baby Yoda, which is not by 180 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: wrecked but um yeah, well I just and so therefore, 181 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: because I know about baby Yoda and the popularity and 182 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: the cuteness of baby Yoda, I called everything baby something. 183 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: Yes you did. Also I didn't mean for that this 184 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: sound judgmental that everyone because I also call it baby. 185 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it gets sun judgmental. It is exactly 186 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: what it is. Who knows nothing of Star Wars? No, 187 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: no, no no, everybody Yoda is super cute and then everything 188 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: is baby something. Yes, yes, I appreciated it. Um so yeah, yeah, 189 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: there's big crime. Lord Leah kills him. When Carrie Fisher 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,479 Speaker 1: was asked if she wanted a stunt double to kill Jaba, 191 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: She's like, hell, no, I want to do it, yes, 192 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: And this is probably the scene that causes the most 193 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: feminist discussion kind of ire. It was definitely a way 194 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: of catering to the male gaze, although it is worth 195 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: pointing out that when these movies themselves came out, they 196 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: were not seen as four men and boys. That came later, 197 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: that came around the time of Return of the Jedi. 198 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: I think this is a scene that I was like, oh, 199 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: look there's the one Asian girls. Yeah. Um. But we 200 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: talked about this in our Star Wars feminism episode inter 201 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: Action Figures episode about how this series sort of got 202 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: really drawn into as part of the fact that merchandising 203 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: was such a big part of it. The rebranding in 204 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: the nineties of this is for boys and this is 205 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: for girls, and it was firmly set aside as this 206 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: is for boys, um, and slave Layah is absolutely serving 207 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: this cause. Um. This became instant sex symbol and this 208 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: is the image that many publications use of her, even 209 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: my fancy Star Wars and Cyclopede You in their entry 210 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: for Leia. That is the the image that they use 211 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: and um. It was the image they used on the 212 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: cover of The Rolling Stones in which one the Jedi 213 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: was announced. It has inspired so much, Cosplay has a 214 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: cult following of its own despite having only two minutes 215 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: of screen time. So the fact that is one of 216 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: the three things that you knew about this movie is 217 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: very revealing because it's two minutes or less. Fisher has 218 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: spoken about how miserable it was to film these scenes 219 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: and how the mail crew mocked her. That dignity was 220 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: out of the question, as she said, and it was 221 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: made of metal, or at least one of them was, 222 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: so it didn't really move with her. One version was 223 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: made of forever, but she had to be very careful 224 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: about how she moved, and she's expressed her annoyance that 225 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: the costume has been taken out of context of that 226 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: scene becoming synonymous with sexy. Apparent even recently complained that 227 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: the Leia in a metal bo Kini toy was being 228 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: sold at Target that it was too sexy, when if 229 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: you think about what's happening in those scenes, it's horrendous, 230 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: and Leah's expression of contempt and rage communicates her feelings 231 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: about it and the fact that she ultimately kills the 232 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: one who tried to take power from her, and Java, 233 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: her captor, and the one viewing her as a sex 234 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: object is objectively gross. He's gross. He kind of serves 235 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: as a stand in for those that would objectify her, 236 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: and you do not want to be Java. He's leering, 237 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: his tongue is rolling out. Almost every scene with Leia 238 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: in this outfit comes with Java in the background, or 239 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: reminder that if you're fantasizing about this non consensual situation, 240 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: well you have something in common with this disgusting creature 241 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: right here. This is something people often ignore or forget. 242 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: What they remember of all Leiah has done is that 243 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: she was really hot in that bikini, and that is 244 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: so frustrating. It's something we as women see all the time. 245 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: We can leave a rebellion for for three movies, but 246 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: still be remembered for when we were at our weakest 247 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: and most humiliated. Um And the fact that she's known 248 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: here as slave Leah, which is never used in the script, 249 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: by the way, that that's something culture and fans assigned 250 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: to to her and not just Leia is disturbing and 251 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: very indicative. A lot have accused George Lucas of having 252 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: his cake and eating it too, of catering to the 253 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: male gaze while also condemning it. Right. So, there is 254 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: an episode of Friends where Rachel dresses up in the 255 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: metal bikini for ross. I guess it's called the one 256 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: with the Princess Leia fantasy um. And there are slave layup, 257 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: burlesque routines, billy dancing routines, and strip routines, also Collider's 258 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: items and toys, which is all yuck. Yeah, I do 259 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: like some of the dance and burlesque routines are reclaim it, 260 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: which is really cool as like a power power scene. 261 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: I personally prefer dressing up as Leia to get out 262 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: of jury duty on Dirty Rock, even though she shouldn't 263 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: be embarrassed for cosplay. I say, as I'm in cosplay um. 264 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: And Carry Fisher's guest appearance on that show is fantastic. Uh, 265 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: it is so good. It's probably one of my favorite episodes, 266 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: especially with the whole icon of her being a writer 267 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: and a strong female writer for a field that is 268 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: dominated by men in her age. So like, it was 269 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: just so stacked. There's so many layers to that episode 270 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: with Carrie Fisher and also Karry Fisher as a comedian, 271 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: she is amazing, Her timing is freaking amazing, fantastic, fantastic. 272 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: That one's called Rosemar's baby, if anyone has missed it, 273 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: and there's a lot. There's a lot of debate in 274 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: the Star Wars community about whether Job assaulted Leiah in 275 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: this scene. The consensus seems to be no, that the 276 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: outfit was his way of taking away her power. There's 277 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: also a lot of informal research on why the costume 278 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: has resonated so much with women and why so many 279 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: women causplay it. Dancer Amir said who has used the 280 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: outfit and her teens have said, quote Java put her 281 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: into the outfit to humiliate her, but Leah was such 282 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: a strong character her will made the costume empowering, right, 283 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: and some fans have rebranded Slave Leah as Leia the 284 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: Hot Slayer, as they should. And Amy Schumer poked fun 285 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: at this in a photo shoot as well. Yes, yes, 286 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: and as you have told me a couple of times, 287 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: and Kry Fisher advised do you Star Wars actress Daisy 288 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: Ridley not to let them put her in a bikini, 289 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: and apparently that was a wise statements. And I do 290 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: want to throw in here just a note. This is 291 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: still hotly debated. I have read arguments that La killing 292 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Java is not impairing. I've read so many that it is. 293 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: I think a part of the problem is the way 294 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: mostly masculine fan culture around Star Wars tries to reduce 295 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: things like she was rest hut on the Desk Star, 296 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: which is technically true, but misses the whole context of 297 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: the saying it was she was a sexy prisoner of Javas, 298 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: which again it's just doesn't have the context. So I 299 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: don't know how you let go of the fact that 300 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: she killed him killed. I think that overpowers of fivet 301 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: that she was a sexy put prisoner, she was able 302 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: to kill him and get away with it and become 303 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: the princess she's I love it, Get him, Leah Leah. 304 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: After that, joins the ground team to destroy the shield generators. 305 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: I know this is a lot of technical speak, it's 306 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: not super important, so that the rebellion can destroy the 307 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: Desk Star volunteering after she learns that Han is leading 308 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: this group and her surprise and to her surprise is 309 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: a general accepting a position and a cause important to 310 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: her that he for a long time as Shirt, and 311 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: this is when he's proved his commitment, his love, and 312 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: she shows hers by trusting his leadership at I mean 313 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: at the start of the movie, she ever would have 314 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: trusted hand to lead anything. I mean, he's handsome, but 315 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: he's kind of dumb. He has a lot of girl 316 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: I got to do for sure, and Haunt does not 317 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: trying to sideline her protect her. He's happy she wants 318 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: to be on his team. He knows she's useful and 319 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: very competent, and I do love she's She's not really 320 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: defined by this relationship, and she doesn't lose herself in it. 321 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: She acknowledges what she wants and needs and accepts the 322 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: fact that she does in fact have those things, and 323 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: that's okay. She goes on to lead a speeder chase 324 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: after some Stormtroopers. It's separated from the group and fight 325 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: saw some enemies and joins the Eoks, which are the 326 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: little Teddy Bear. I called him Teddy Bears. You also, 327 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: I feel like you kept mixing up Wookie's and Eyoks. 328 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: I did. I did, absolutely, even now as we talked 329 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: about it, I won't say either one of those honestly, 330 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: because I don't know which is which. That's totally fair, 331 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: totally fair. You know what, I just called him the 332 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: cute things. Yeah, I would have understood. Again, I can 333 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: translate your Star Wars speak. You know. The interesting thing 334 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: is like to prove the point of how successful merchandizing 335 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: was for these movies, e Walk has never said in 336 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: the movie, um, Wampa, the ice creature from Empire strikes back. 337 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: That is my fan fiction name never said. Name are 338 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: never not in credible. So I didn't know what a 339 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: wampa was until you showed me. And I can guarantee 340 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: if you gave me a pictures of all of these things, 341 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: I probably would get one out of three. Right. Well, 342 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: you better be ready because there's a quiz at the end. 343 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm just kidding kind of Okay, then I've 344 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: seen the outline. There's quizzes. Don't look ahead in my outline. Uh. 345 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: Luke goes on to tell her that she is Luke's 346 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: twin sister, and Darth Vader, her past tormentor and arch nemesis, 347 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: is their dad, and she tells Luke to run away, 348 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: that she she wishes she could go with him, but 349 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: he immediately calls her bluff. He says, you've always been 350 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: strongly of and some as we alluded to in the 351 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: part one of this, some people take issue with this 352 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: scene that she didn't have a bigger reaction to the 353 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: revelation that this person who tortured me and was very 354 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: instrumental in the blowing up my home planet is my 355 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: father um and she does have more experience because of 356 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: that then Luke does with Darth Vader. But I feel 357 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: like if she had people would have taken issue with 358 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: that too. She's being too emotional. It does to me 359 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: seem in keeping with her character that she takes it 360 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: and stride. I will say, I will say you to that, 361 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 1: like I think people as an adopted woman, myself an 362 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: adopted girl, there's a lot of things that you understand 363 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: and even though there's an idealization. Again I'm getting too 364 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: literal with this, but there's an understanding that there's a 365 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 1: reason you're not with your biological And of course this 366 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: is a dramatic version of Key's evil and he did 367 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: things to you, but in actuality, the truth of the 368 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: matter is that the reason that you were not with 369 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: your biological parent, there is a component of not necessarily 370 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: evil but a dark side. So I will say for me, 371 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: it made sense. Yeah. And I'm someone who when I 372 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: get news that i'm I know is big and I'm 373 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: going to have an emotional response, I usually have a 374 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: pretty delayed response. I think that's me too. I am 375 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: one of those that sits calmly and then walks away 376 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: and reacts after the fact. I've been called out for 377 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: that a couple of times. I have to UM. I 378 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: had a two friends tell me that, you know, they've 379 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: been dating forever and they thought that I was I 380 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: didn't believe them or I was mad at them because 381 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: I didn't have a bigger reaction, but I just I 382 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: took it and strided. And I like to I like 383 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: to think over things and make sure I'm responding in 384 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: a way that captures how I feel and what I think. 385 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: So I as I sort of connected with her on 386 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: that um and a lot of people said she's she's 387 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: playing chess, She's doing Alliance versus Empire in her head. Meanwhile, 388 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: Luke is doing a much more personal battlefield, so it 389 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: has a bigger impact on him. So moving on, she 390 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: fights alongside Han and Chewie and is slightly injured, but 391 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: keeps going, she gets to flip the I love you 392 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: I Know on han Um the heroes are victorious a 393 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: party in sus she is, and Carrie Fisher herself has 394 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: said this, she's more supportive and feminine in this one, 395 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: completing her ark of allowing herself to lean on others 396 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: to be more vulnerable. I also like the flip that 397 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: she did with or not necessarily she, but the writers, 398 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: I don't know who did it on the fact that 399 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: he's the one that's insecure about the relationship and she's 400 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: the one who's like, calm down, is not what you think. 401 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: And I do love that moment. I have never because 402 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm not into romance. I've never really given and much 403 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: thought to haunt and my relationship. But I did, like 404 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: I read an article specifically for this, and they were 405 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: kind of saying what you were saying. Samantha's it's a 406 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: sort of a flip because in em Pire strikes back 407 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: to she's the one that's sort of having intimacy uh 408 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: commitment issues and Hans the one trying to get her 409 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: to admit, you know you, he want you, he needs 410 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: some something. I think we see so many films with 411 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: women being in the triangle, be like it's cool. Is cool, 412 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: I'll be the best friend, I'll be do this or whatever, right, 413 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: and and she's and she's the one who No, No, 414 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: calm down, you're being emotional. Okay, you're reading they things. 415 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: It's not what you think. Yeah, And I had to 416 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: put this in there. Samantha heard my whole spiel. I'll 417 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: try to shorten it. I have a beef that Darth 418 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Vader's last words are tell your sister you were right 419 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: about me. Man, you tortured her, dude, And those are 420 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 1: some pretty selfish last words. I will say, first thing, 421 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: and he told me right after that scene, right for 422 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: that state, And I will say, not necessarily to me, 423 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: I thought she was just making an outright statement. Was 424 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: that's oh no, that's that's what. No, you were still 425 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: a bad guy. You tortured her. That that was the 426 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: initial statement. And I kind of looked. I was like, 427 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: you're right, you're absolutely this does not justify what you 428 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: did to her. No, I'm glad you're on my side. 429 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: I am. And I did just want to put this 430 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: in here because it does come up in a lot 431 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: of feminist essays about Princess Leah, which you would not 432 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: believe how many there are. Maybe you would. It's Vader's 433 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: threat to turn Leah to the dark side that goes 434 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: Luke into attacking Darth Vader, cutting off Vader's hands and 435 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: almost losing himself his hands and almost losing himself to 436 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: the dark side. Some interpret that is sort of the 437 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: whole hero compliment to justify violence. Yeah, yeah, so put 438 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: it that out there, um, and then moving on to 439 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: the new the new ones, which were again not going 440 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: to talk about two much. You can hear more about 441 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: that in our especially the last jedis feminism, uh in 442 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: our feminism in Star Wars episode because that movie really 443 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: does have a lot going on when it comes to feminism. 444 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: But Leia reprised by Carrie Fisher. By the way, I 445 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: did not see this, so all of this is just 446 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: conjecture from my point of view. No, but I would love, like, 447 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: I won't make you watch it, but I would love 448 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: to just tell you what happens in it, because it's 449 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of shocking how much feminist dialogue, isn't it. Um? Okay, 450 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: So Leiah reprised by Carrie Fisher, she's the one that stays. 451 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: So these take place a couple of decades after the 452 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: original trilogy, and Han has left. Luke is socially distancing 453 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: way before it was cool. But Leia stayed to lead 454 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: the fight against the First Order, which is the New Empire, 455 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: and her son is a member of that. And it's 456 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: revealed that she was trained by Luke to be a Jedi, 457 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: but she had a vision if she completed her training, 458 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: her son would die, so she gave it up. No spoilers. UM. 459 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: When it was announced that she would return, of course, 460 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot of Internet was like shoes too, Oh, she's 461 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: too fat. On the flip side, people were really worried 462 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: that she'd just be a token or a cameo, but 463 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: she's running the whole show. She definitely teaches Flyboy Po 464 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: a valuable lesson about listening to and respecting women in 465 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: The Last Jedi, even though a lot of people did 466 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: not like it. UM. When asked what she wanted fans 467 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: to take away from Land the New movies, Fisher said, 468 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: never give up. Fisher was also very outspoken that Leiah 469 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: remained a strong character for the generations who had grown 470 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: up looking up to her, and for new generations as 471 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: well to stay true too. Princess Leia and the fans 472 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: of Princess Leah and to Twitter trolls commenting on her 473 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: looks and age, Carrie Fisher responded, please stout to vading 474 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: about whether or not I have aged well. Unfortunately, it 475 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 1: hurts all three of my feelings. My body has an 476 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: aged well as I have. Youth and beauty are not accomplishments. 477 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: They're temporary, happy byproducts of time and or DNA. Don't 478 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: hold your breath for either. Also, here's another controversial thing 479 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: I want to say, because this causes a lot of 480 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: argument in the Star Wars fan community. Kyler Ren is 481 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: a bad jed I I'm just gonna leave that there. 482 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Like people like to complain that Ray was too good, 483 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: too fast, maybe Kyler Wren was just bad. Have we 484 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: ever thought about that. I would just like to say 485 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: once again, the Stormtroopers and the damn guns, they did 486 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: not use them because it never touched people. I'm just 487 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: very confused with what they were used for other than 488 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: a laser show, because other than bring a little smoke 489 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: here and there, it rarely killed someone. I don't understand 490 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: how bad they are at aim and why they are 491 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: Stormtroopers if they can't aim a laser it is. That 492 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: is a running joke in the series, and I loved 493 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: watching it with you as someone who hadn't seen it 494 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: and just seeing you immediately pick up on it. Why 495 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: has no one hit any of them If there's twenty 496 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: of them with laser guns and three of them with 497 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: two guns, why maybe they're just bad they are or see. 498 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: My theory is maybe their hearts were in it and 499 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: they were just pretending. Maybe they just win a laser show, right, Yeah, probably. 500 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, I feel like none of 501 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: the good guys were able to hit the bad guys either. 502 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: Like it was very rare. You know, he did really well. 503 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: He walks in rocks, yeah, spears, Yeah, I mean they 504 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: got him when e walk died r I P. But 505 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: then they got them with vines and rocks. That's all 506 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the reasons 507 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: that people really don't like Return of the Jedi. But yes, 508 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: um so in the Legends universe, which is all the 509 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: books that came out after the movies, books and comics 510 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: and everything, um that Disney has now said is not canon, 511 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: so it's called the Legends. But in that she becomes 512 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: a Jedi and a leader of the New Republic. Oh 513 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: my gosh, we could talk so much, are I could, 514 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: because I've read all these things about Leiah in Legends. 515 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: But then this episode will never And I did ask 516 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: her to end at page twenty two. She did, She 517 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: stepped in, she put the foot down. So thanks Samantha 518 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: for that. Listeners. Um, there's political marriages. There's a whole 519 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: book called the Courtship of Princess Leiah. There's multiple kidnappings, 520 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: pheromone seduction which scared me as a kid. Um forgiveness, forgiveness. 521 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: When Luke turns to the dark side, Leia resists similar temptations, 522 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: and it's able to turn Luke back. Uh he did 523 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: in one of the books. Um. Yeah, and I I 524 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: went into all the Luke Skywalker clone whose name is 525 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: Luke with two you. That's also in the books. It's 526 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: one of my favorites. In fact, two Luke's just can't 527 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: get any better. I'm not ready for all of this. Okay. 528 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: So that's sort of a very uh somehow both very 529 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: long and very short rundown of the plot for these movies. Um, 530 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: so now we're going to talk about feminism and Princess Leia. 531 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: But first we're gonna pause for a quick break for 532 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So, 533 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: as we said in Part one, Princess Leiah is widely 534 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 1: regarded as a feminist icon. There's even something called Leia feminism. 535 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher herself has described Princess Leah as a huge 536 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: feminist icon. In response to those that call her a 537 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: damsel in distress and movies, she said she boss them around. 538 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what your idea of distresses, but that 539 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: wasn't it. And I wasn't some babe running around the 540 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: galaxy with my bouncing around, so I wasn't threatening to women. 541 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher was instrumental in this characterization of Leia. She 542 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: was a Hollywood script fixer and she was very involved 543 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: making Leia what she was. She said she loved Leia. 544 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: She loved her fastiness, the fact that she killed Jaba 545 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: the Hut, and her memoir The Princess Diarist, she wrote 546 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: that she was quote honored to be Leia's representative here 547 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: on earth. She has often said that she was Leia, 548 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: and Leia was her, and I love that. I love 549 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: when you find an actor who embraces this. I think 550 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: it's she created it, so she loved it. It was 551 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: a part of her. When the this character debuted, there 552 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: weren't many strong female role models in movies and television. 553 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: Most female characters served as decorations or prizes to be one. 554 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: Leia was vastly different when compared to other princesses at 555 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: the time, and still is in many ways. She was 556 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: our first badass princess in pop culture, and especially important 557 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: when we think about entertainment aim towards children, because these 558 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: were seen as children's movies. Um she became an instant 559 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: icon for girls and women. She defied stereotypes about women 560 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: and princesses and what they could do, and in the 561 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: new movies her title is general. In the early days, 562 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: women brand star Wars, fan sunes, and fan clubs, I'm in. 563 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: Some second wave feminists criticized Princess Leiah when the film 564 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: came out for her masculine traits. This was during the 565 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: Vietnam War, when masculinity was associated with war and violence 566 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: and people had a lot of anxiety around that. Take 567 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: this quote from a nineteen Time article, masculinity itself becomes 568 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: a horror. All rage and aggression and reptilian brain. Second 569 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: wave feminism was largely founded alongside the anti war movement. 570 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: Leiah it was a military leader and orchestrated battles that 571 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: led to many deaths. When she wasn't doing that, she 572 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: was a prisoner of war, so she was at odds 573 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: with this anti war part of second wave feminism. It 574 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: was really young girls at the time that latched onto 575 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: her as a role model, and a lot of those 576 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: girls became third wave feminist, which didn't have as strong 577 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: of an anti military bent, and they bought their love 578 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: of Leiah with them. This is also around the time 579 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: of the sexual revolution Roe v. Wade and the backlash 580 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: to all of that, which in part explains the rebranding 581 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: of Star Wars as a dude thing uh and the 582 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: Gold Bikini, which, since it was the last movie, happened 583 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: a little later, even though girls and women had been 584 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: fans of Star Wars since the very beginning. J. J. 585 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: Abrams made this mistake recently on Good Morning America that 586 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: the original trilogy was for boys, and the backlash Wilson, 587 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't it should be yeah. Another related criticism from 588 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: earlier reviews about Lea was that she was a damsel 589 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: in distressed slash love interest, while at the same time 590 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: complaining she liked femininity and uh huh, because what doesn't 591 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: really makes sense. I guess that's another thing, another point 592 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: of view. You're damned if you do, dann if you don't. 593 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: It really is because she can rescue people. But if 594 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: she shows any femininity, that means that she is a damgel. 595 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: But if she is to assortive, then she lacks it. Yeah, 596 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: I will say I think that's been a debate in 597 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: my head how to be a female, especially in specific 598 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: cultural ideas of what feminism is not feminism feminine trait 599 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: is versus what feminism is that it has to be 600 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: at odds. When that's not true, we can actually fight 601 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: for our own rights with the availability of being feminine. 602 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I don't make things. I don't 603 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: make things, and I'm not super cute girly. Sometimes I 604 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: wish I were. Um However, I also cannot figure out 605 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: how to work mechanics on things. I do know how 606 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: to change a tire. I will say, that's awesome. Uh yeah, well, 607 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: and that's when we're going to talk about this more 608 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: in a minute. But that's one thing people actually did 609 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: really like about lais that she was really a sort 610 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: of character, but also with still feminine. So from Diana 611 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: Dominguez and her work Feminism and the Force, empowerment and 612 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: disillusionment and a galaxy far far away, here was a 613 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: woman who could play like and with the boys, but 614 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: who didn't have to become one of the boys, and 615 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: who could if and when she wanted to show she 616 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: liked the boys. A woman who is outspoken, unashamed, and 617 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: most importantly, unpunished for being so. She isn't a flirty 618 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: sex spot tossing her hair around seductively to distract the enemy. 619 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: She doesn't play the role of maternal caretaker, although she 620 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: does display caring and compassion, or the sweet innocent damsel 621 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: who stands passively by while the men do the work, 622 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: but does depside to let them do what they're good 623 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: at when it is wise to do so. Leiah is 624 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: a hero without losing her gendered status. She does not 625 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: have to play the cute, helpless sex kitten or become 626 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: the sexless androgynous to get what she wants. She can 627 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: be strong, sassy, outspoken, bossy, and bitchy and still be 628 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: respected and seen as feminine and then uh, there's a 629 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: tweet from Hoovian Feminism about Leia and the importance of 630 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: Star Wars. Leiah was a different type of princess than 631 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: those in most movies shown to girls my age. She 632 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: was a political and military leader. It showed me a 633 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: girl who was like me, rough and tumble and loud 634 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: and brash and demanding. That felt unique and rare at 635 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: the time. Star Wars and Leah and pad May became 636 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: fundamental parts of my childhood and identity. They showed me 637 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: it was okay to just be me. Um, if you're 638 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: wondering it, Smath, I'm sure you're not. But pad May 639 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: is Luke and Leah's mother. Actually, I was wondering. I 640 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: was trying to figure out who that was. But I 641 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: was being quiet, like, did I miss that part in 642 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: the movie? You will definitely show up on the quizz 643 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: No no, no, no. That was the prequel prequel series. Okay, 644 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 1: oh wait, that's that the Nutley Portman character. Okay, Okay, 645 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know her name. Okay, got it? Yes? Uh. 646 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: The character Leiah became a symbol of women's protest marches worldwide, 647 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: easily the most reference pop culture character on protest signs, 648 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: a women's place is in the resistance, for example, or 649 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: rebel rebel. With her picture, Camill even tweeted about it, 650 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: I know where she stood, You know where she stood. 651 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: Such an honor to see her standing with you today, 652 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: big lely. Yeah. So, after Kerry Fisher's death in late 653 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 1: right after the tumultuous election, her daughter Billy Lord, which 654 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: by the way, after watching the Originals will like, oh yeah, 655 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: they are so similar in features. Um, she wrote, Leiah 656 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: is more than just a character. She's a feeling. She 657 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: is a strength, she is grace, she is wit, she 658 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: is femininity at its fineness. And no one could have 659 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: played her like my mother. Princess Leiah is Carrie Fisher. 660 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher is Princess Leia. The to go hand in hand. Yeah, 661 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: that's beautiful. Fisher's openness about her struggles with bipolar disorder 662 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: and addiction were groundbreaking. She was outspoken about sexism, about 663 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: mental illness, about ageism. She was funny, her unwillingness to 664 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: sit down in me quiet, we're expiring, and she infused 665 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: so much of that into Leia. And and that's what 666 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: made Leiah such a powerful, impactful character for so many 667 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: um and I just want to put in here because 668 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: I don't think you know, I know you don't know. 669 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: So Carrie Fisher actually made a cameo on Sex in 670 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: the City, and in that level of Carrie Bradshaw, who 671 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: was played by Sarah Jessica Parker, she talks about the 672 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: fact that there are two Carries who are writers, and 673 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: at that point in time, Carrie was seen as a 674 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: phenomenal writer as well because her words were so impactful 675 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: and powerful this time, so yes, you can put this 676 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: into your graph. She was actually acknowledged as a feminine 677 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: icon in Sex in the City, all right. You know. 678 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: One of the first cameos I saw her in was 679 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: Scream three, where she also was still having some commentary 680 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: about Hollywood treatment of women. So there you. After her death, 681 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: Christine N. J. Widmyer wrote a paper called the Feminist 682 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: Strikes Back Performative Mourning in the Twitter response to Carrie 683 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: Fisher's death about the performative grief around it on Twitter 684 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,959 Speaker 1: and the feminism it attracted. They were takedowns some dudes 685 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: who were like our r I p my first boner 686 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: and about how she was so much more than that, 687 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: just so many. Steve Martin even got in trouble for this, 688 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: although it was much less bonier, more about her looks, 689 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: but that she was so much more and I wanted 690 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: to read a quote from it. Many of these tweets 691 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: become feminists not only because their authors are expressing certain 692 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: views of Leah as a character and Fisher as a person, 693 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: but also because they are utilizing performativity so that their 694 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: grief further's a social agenda. They are, in fact using 695 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: their tweets as a means of caring Ford Fisher's legacy 696 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: of activism, and they do so by challenging patriarchal means 697 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: of mourning and reintroducing Fisher's activist leanings. Through their tweets 698 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: and this sense, they engage in a performative goal, both 699 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: as individuals performing themselves and as a collective performing a 700 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: community value. It is through these performatives that divisions in 701 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: the fan community are revealed and negotiated. Um. That was 702 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: actually really good read. I enjoyed it. Writer and Arrants 703 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: tweeted this thread after Carrie Fisher's death about general organa. 704 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: She's not young, not wearing a gold bikini r robe. 705 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: She's just to do what She's been training her whole 706 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: life to do lead the rebellion. This is the layer 707 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: that has lost everything, her world, her parents, her son 708 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: to the dark side, her brother to who knows where, 709 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: her lover. This is the layer that could easily have 710 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 1: been broken down or given up. But she was stronger 711 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: than literally every man in her life. She kept going. 712 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: When I see Fisher as General Organa, I see a 713 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: woman who has put up with so much from so 714 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: many men, and yet keeps showing up for them. Princess 715 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: Leia was great, but General Organa was Fisher's real gift 716 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: to us, and she's who I'm going to be looking 717 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: to in dark times. May we all be able to 718 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: get up every day and in spite of our pain 719 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: and loss and fear, put on her boots and best 720 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: and plan to destroy the empire. General or Ghana taught 721 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: me that you don't have to be special or chosen 722 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: to be a leader. You just have to show up 723 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: and learn and do the work. And then another fan, 724 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: Isaac Bream, tweeted on her Carrie Fisher normalize mental illness 725 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: and its treatments, take life a little less seriously, destroy 726 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: a fascist regime right, And I think That's how I 727 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: know her myself, as as an amazing writer who spoke 728 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: truths whether or not you wanted it, who had an 729 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: amazing comedic timing and enabled to have a conversation and 730 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: making jokes and making a light of hard issues that 731 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: she had to deal with two normalize for people who 732 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: can't deal with it, which we shouldn't have to do, 733 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: but she was able to do it as an art 734 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: form as well as proceed into a culture where she 735 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: came from a time period where you're supposed to be feminine, 736 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be these things, and kind of leaned 737 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: into I was pretty let me leave it at that. 738 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: It came out full forces. I have words, I have 739 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: I have thoughts, I have strength. I have a mother 740 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: who had to deal with those times of oppression as 741 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: a woman, but I refused to be that woman. And 742 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to teach my daughter to come forward as 743 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: a roaring lion and be my own advocate. That's how 744 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: I know Carrie Fisher. And she definitely broke barriers, not 745 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: being just Leiah, which by the way, a phenomenal character, 746 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: but as her individual who leaned into that character to 747 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: push forward herself as a woman who delve into women's rights, 748 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: feminist rights, and also just human rights. Yeah yeah, and 749 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: she did it all well being funny. Yeah, that's my like. 750 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: I will say, like every time I saw her outside 751 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: of any of Star Wars, because obviously I didn't see 752 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: her much in Star Wars until recently. I saw her 753 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: as a woman with amazing convenient timing with also the 754 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: contextual ideas of what is wrong in society. He did 755 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: a great job with it without having to have her 756 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: own individual platforms like a talk show or something. Yeah, 757 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: which she did have one at one point. I don't 758 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: know if I knew that. I think so. They wishful Drinking. 759 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: I love that title. Yeah, you should check it out. Um. 760 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we do believe it or not, have 761 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more for you, surprise, surprise. But first 762 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: we have one more quick break for a word from 763 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So this 764 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: is what I will call an Annie original. Um. I 765 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: haven't found too much research on this because it's really 766 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: difficult to search, and I tried, but it's something that's 767 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: been on my mind ever since we did our Feminism 768 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: and Harry Potter episode. And so this is what I 769 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: call in the outline my feminist Luke Skywalker discussion, because 770 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 1: I did I did want to talk about how in 771 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: in that in Harry Potter and in Star Wars, there 772 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: are these main male characters, Luke Skywalker and Harry Potter, 773 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,439 Speaker 1: which by the way, you're both my biggest crushes fictional 774 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: crushes of all time, is more balanced when it comes 775 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: to traditionally feminine and masculine traits, and some have even 776 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: argued that these are essentially female characters in the stereotypical sense, 777 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: are they're more like female characters. Luke was originally written 778 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 1: as a female character, so if you think about Luke Skywalker, 779 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: he has plenty of masculine coded traits like hot headedness, recklessness, 780 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: but he's far more balanced with feminine codd sraits like empathy, compassion, loyalty. 781 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 1: When you take that even further with how Luke in 782 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: particular interacts with the Force, because you've got Obi one 783 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: and Yoda, his mentors telling him that he has to 784 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: confront to essentially kill his father Darth Vader to become 785 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: a Jedi, and Luke saying he can't do it because 786 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: he's so strongly believes and can feel that they're still 787 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: good in Darth Vader and he after he turns himself 788 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: over to Vader, who turns him over to the Emperor. 789 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: The Emperor is urging him to embrace his anger given 790 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,439 Speaker 1: to his aggression kill his father. Violence and anger stereotypically 791 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: masculine traits, and when Luke does that, he almost loses 792 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: himself to the dark side and and almost continues this 793 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: cycle of violence, cutting off his father's hand when his 794 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: father had cut off his hand in the previous movie. 795 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: His active heroism is throwing away his weapon, which by 796 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: the way, is a very phallic weapon, and refusing to 797 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: fight to let those things control him, embracing those more 798 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: feminine coded traits like empathy, and this act brings out 799 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: the empathy and love in Darth Vader and breaks the cycle. 800 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: Luke also rejects the old Jedi order as well as 801 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: the Empire, much like feminism demands systemic change. Right, And 802 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: I will add some psychologists see this as the break 803 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: of the edible cycle, specifically refusing to kill the father. Instead, 804 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: he sacrifices and suffers for him. Yeah, and there's a 805 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: lot of comparisons to Christianity in there. Um. Yeah, this 806 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: is just something. Clearly I think too much about this, perhaps, 807 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: but it is something that's been on my mind, especially 808 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:31,879 Speaker 1: since I'm on this show now and watching it. And yes, 809 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 1: there is a lot of sexual amatry if you look 810 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: for it, if you if you want the turning, the 811 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,839 Speaker 1: turning on of the lightsabers, the egg like death Star, 812 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: and the sperm like X wings trying to land a shot, 813 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: it's there, Samantha. Um. And another thing I wanted to 814 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: touch on very briefly is Luke Skywalker's sexuality, because I 815 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: think the fact that he doesn't have a romantic interest 816 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: in the movies other than a fairly forced plotline with Leah, 817 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: who yes, his sister, although the writers didn't know that 818 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: until Return of the Jedi. So yeah, Well, because I 819 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: was really curious, when did they know this was true? 820 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying they didn't know here, They didn't know here, 821 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: they knew here. You're welcome, Samantha, and I'm sorry once again. 822 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: UM means that, at least, if fan fiction is any guide, 823 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: is easier for people to see their sexual identity reflected 824 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: in Luke Skywalker. The actor Mark Camill even spoke to that, saying, 825 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: you can believe whatever you want when it comes to 826 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: his sexual identity. And yes, I know this is not 827 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 1: the same as the importance of explicit representation, something we 828 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: need more of and I am so ready for I 829 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: really wanted in the New movies been imposed to end 830 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: up together alas um in the Extended Universe Legends Uh Universe, 831 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: Luke did go on to marry a woman, although that 832 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's straight necessarily. The reason I want to 833 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,839 Speaker 1: bring this up is because, as you all know, I've 834 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: been reading a lot of fan fishing lately and I've 835 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: noticed that in the world of ours fan fiction there 836 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of a sexual, a romantic Luke Skywalker stories, 837 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 1: which is something I have never literally ever in all 838 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: my years of fan fiction scene before. Um. That doesn't 839 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: mean it wasn't there at all. I have very specific 840 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: fan fiction circles that I traffick in, but for me, 841 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: I've never seen it, and I've enjoyed quite a few 842 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: of those stories. Also a lot of bisexual Han Solo stories. Um. 843 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,240 Speaker 1: And speaking of that, I've also sort of fallen into 844 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: the Han solo Luke Skywalker ship, which is the sky 845 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: solo Yeah, would you tell us a lot about Also, 846 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: I can't not see it. Uh. And I don't know 847 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: why or how that is. Um. Even the story I'm 848 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: writing is sort of a one sided Sky solo story, 849 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: even though there might be romance element later. Who knows 850 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 1: what the characters shall do. I certainly am not controlling interactions. 851 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,800 Speaker 1: I'll find out as I right, but that's one of 852 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: the things I love about fan fiction. Um. And I'm 853 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: clearly using it to work. Three things. And yes, before 854 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: you ask, it's not published again. I think it could 855 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: kill someone. It's so sad. It's made me crying multiple 856 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: times writing it. Um, And I do again I want 857 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: to put out there. I'll take a prompt because I 858 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: was gonna read a section of my fan fiction on here, 859 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: but I couldn't find a good non sad section other 860 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,360 Speaker 1: than a drunk con solo which doesn't have to do 861 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: with Leah or even this kind of Luke Skywalker fim 862 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: hiss thing. Um. And yeah, I mentioned twin stop is 863 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: a really popular pant fiction thing where Luke and lay 864 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: are swapped, and the fan pick world took that and 865 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: ran with it because there is an early version of 866 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: Star Wars draft that it was like that, right, And 867 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: I do know she did tell me plenty of times 868 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,759 Speaker 1: that Luke was originally written as a woman, and then 869 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,479 Speaker 1: where there were stairs between Han and Luke, he would 870 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: make sure that we knew that it would have changed 871 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: everything if he was a woman. Yeah. I feel like 872 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 1: I was just trying to pick the point, perhaps clumsily, 873 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: that if you had been a woman, people would have 874 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: assumed romantic things. Yeah, that's exactly the point that you 875 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: were saying. But yeah, I definitely was like, oh, oh, 876 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: I me, it made sense. There was a lot of 877 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: agreement Oz and there, and I've never known, but you've 878 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: definitely let us know. Oh yeah. I went into detail 879 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: about the uh, the scene and the sharing of the body, 880 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: heats and the and then like Han was supposed to leave, 881 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: but then he heard Luke was in peril, so change. 882 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: Oh I'm so annoying. I'm sorry. No, you weren't. You 883 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,400 Speaker 1: weren't annoying. You were enjoying yourself. My partner was enjoying himself, 884 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: and I was just there. Oh man, Well, I really 885 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I meant the world to me to share 886 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: it with you. I was glad to share it with you. 887 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,240 Speaker 1: I was glad to see the excitement. I think between 888 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,359 Speaker 1: this and aliens to watch movies with the two, well, 889 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 1: especially you, because I think you and I've watched several 890 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,479 Speaker 1: movies together. But yeah, the excitement that you have because 891 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,439 Speaker 1: definitely went with you to Spider Man verse verse as 892 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: well as some of the Marvel movies. The joy, the 893 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: pure joy. But this was the climax of it all. 894 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: It's it's definitely like this and Harry Potter and probably 895 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: this a little bit more. Like I said, it's like 896 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: my soul is part of my my soul um and 897 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: it does. It made me think about the importance of 898 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 1: storytelling and that we can enjoy all these things together 899 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,360 Speaker 1: and we can't have all these interpretations of it. And 900 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: it can be so impactful for a young child to 901 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: see Princess Lee and think, oh, I can't do that, 902 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 1: and that's really really powerful. And I feel like I 903 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: grew up with these characters and sometimes I catch myself 904 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: missing them, like I miss Princess Leiah, and that's fair. Yeah. Yeah, 905 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: So we've been talking for a while about this. Uh 906 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: we were gonna have some holiday special discussion, but I 907 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: guess we'll take able that. And uh, I wanted to 908 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: put in on here that I was legitimately afraid to 909 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: do this research, um, one that I'd never stop and 910 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: to you that I would come away feeling terrible about 911 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: something that I loved. But like I said, why, I 912 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: totally recognized Star Wars has its problems. With Star Wars 913 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,240 Speaker 1: fandom certainly has its problems. All this did was strengthened 914 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: my love for the original trilogy and for Leiah in particular. Right, 915 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: I would say, as a person who came in in 916 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,759 Speaker 1: this day and age, I didn't fill it as problematic 917 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: as some things like a John Hughes film for sure, um, 918 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: And I I care you that I think Leia was 919 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: a great character. I think knowing who carry Fisher was 920 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: and also what she tried to represent also made it 921 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: a bigger impact. And I could see why she was 922 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: a phenomenal um individual to play this character. Yeah, it 923 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: was perfect. Like we said in that that one quote 924 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: from the part one where it seems like just a 925 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: million different things happened, correctly, like it was just so 926 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: random and amazing that this came together, and she was 927 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: a huge part of that. Right, So I'm so thankful, 928 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,279 Speaker 1: thankful for her, thankful for it, Thankful for you Samantha 929 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,880 Speaker 1: for sharing this with me. Thankful for listeners who maybe like, 930 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,279 Speaker 1: oh no, two hours. I don't know as people are 931 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 1: gonna say oh no. I think they're gonna appreciate the 932 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 1: fact that you love it as much as you do, 933 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 1: and they probably there's still a lot of people out 934 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: there who loves it as much as you do. Well, 935 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,799 Speaker 1: I'm happy to share my love and I could have 936 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,240 Speaker 1: kept going and going and going, as you know. Okay, 937 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: So I know I mentioned a quiz, but again we've 938 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: I've really gone on and on about this. Episodes already 939 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: super long. It was supposed to be a one part 940 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,920 Speaker 1: episode and now it's two hours. To be fair, I 941 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: knew it was going to be too part. The minute 942 00:53:54,040 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: you're doing well, do you know me so well? Um, 943 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: so we're not going to do the quiz in this episode, 944 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: but we will do it later off screen. I'll I 945 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: want to know what character you get, Samantha. I have 946 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: my theory and I want to see if I'm correct. 947 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: I you're gonna have to write this out on a 948 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: piece of paper or okay, email it to me and 949 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,359 Speaker 1: I won't open it. Okay. Um, I got Luke's kindawonker, which, 950 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: again I don't know what to make of that. I 951 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 1: guess it goes back to my theory if we all 952 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 1: ultimately love some version of ourselves who we want to 953 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,120 Speaker 1: be Yes, yes, um. So that brings us to the 954 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 1: end of this epic two parter. I hope I did 955 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: it justice and thank you again everyone. If you have 956 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,320 Speaker 1: any Star Wars thoughts you'd like to share our ideas 957 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: for future episodes are topics we should cover, please write 958 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: them to us. Our email is Stuff Media mom Stuff 959 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: at iHeart media dot com. 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