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Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome in too a Wednesday, Nation of Texans All

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Speaker 2: Access from now day Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Sean Harris, football analy sideline reporter for your Houston Texans

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Speaker 2: as we each ever so closely to the draft less

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Speaker 2: than one month from today. It'll take place in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: That's where all the festivities will take place. But everything

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Speaker 2: will take place right here in Houston Command Center, right

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Speaker 2: there at energ Stadium, and we'll have you for that

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Speaker 2: entire weekend. Cannot wait for that. Now, many many years ago,

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Speaker 2: in fact fourteen to be exact. But if you remember

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Speaker 2: back to twenty eleven, the Texans and the NFL were

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Speaker 2: in a lockout situation. So free agents at that point

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Speaker 2: were well, they were on hold and a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: And there was one that was being talked about a

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Speaker 2: lot here in the city of Houston's name was Nom

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Speaker 2: Diy Awesome Wah. He was the crown jewel as the

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Speaker 2: defensive back in the twenty eleven free draft class. Well,

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Speaker 2: once the NFL and players got their act together and

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Speaker 2: got a deal signed, it was time to sign free agents.

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Speaker 2: The Texans a skewed one. Nom be awesome. Wah to

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Speaker 2: go find a safety from aplen Christian but named Danielle

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Speaker 2: Manning and our guest tonight the Crown Dejoure. One of

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Speaker 2: the greatest agent signings, one of the greatest signings, One

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Speaker 2: of the greatest things the Texans have ever done, was

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Speaker 2: to bring Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: Joseph into the building.

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Speaker 2: And it has just been a blessing to get to

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Speaker 2: know Jjo through all these years as a player, even

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Speaker 2: as a coach, uh, just as a great friend. And

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Speaker 2: he joined Mark and I to talk about many things. Man,

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Speaker 2: we had a lot of different things with j Jo.

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Speaker 2: Here is Jonathan Joseph going. I would say one on two,

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Speaker 2: but it's essentially one on one man, Mark and JJO.

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Speaker 3: Now joining us.

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Speaker 4: Now Jonathan Joseph, Texan's legend, cornerback coach on the field,

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Speaker 4: all around great human being, Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: How's it going? Great to have you with us?

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Speaker 5: How's going with them? Guys? Man, thank you guys for

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Speaker 5: having me on j Joe.

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Speaker 2: This is always an interesting sign for players, young players

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Speaker 2: in particular, they're going through this draft process and Pro

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Speaker 2: days and combine and all that kind of nonsense. In

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Speaker 2: some respects, what do you remember about your draft process

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Speaker 2: leading up to you getting drafted by the Bengals.

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Speaker 6: I think just learning to be a professional and just

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Speaker 6: being consistent. Obviously, you know, different level for guys. Some

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Speaker 6: guys have the combine they're invited to. Some guys just

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Speaker 6: have the draft day. But I think it's all the process.

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Speaker 6: And now you see even more guys kind of backing

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Speaker 6: their pro day to be in a more comfortable environment.

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Speaker 6: And you see now some coaching staffs don't even send

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Speaker 6: the whole coaching staff to the combine. They may just

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Speaker 6: send the defensive the unity of they looking to invest

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Speaker 6: when I was coming out, I just remember just being

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Speaker 6: you had something that you was working to us, whether

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Speaker 6: it's the forty yard dass, vertical jump, bench press, trying

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Speaker 6: it in front of those coaches. And I also just learning,

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Speaker 6: those whole process is about just learning to be a professional.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned coming out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's backtrack even deeper, Jonathan Joseph with us

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Speaker 4: in college, what do you think or how do you

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Speaker 4: college football free agency. It's so different now, how do

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Speaker 4: you think that might have changed things for you?

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Speaker 3: Jonathan?

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Speaker 6: That's a good question because I was a junior college kid,

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Speaker 5: Of junior college.

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Speaker 6: You know, coming out of junior college, I was probably

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Speaker 6: Coming out has several offers. It was pretty much told

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Speaker 6: So just looking at that, that's a lot to think about.

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Speaker 6: But I also put in my name into the the

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Speaker 6: and I had a second round grade. So nowadays, you know,

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Speaker 6: I guess that's how they kind of how they do

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Speaker 5: So I probably would have had a decision to make.

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Speaker 6: I was being in one of the top players and

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Speaker 6: Now that's a lot to think about, you see it

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Speaker 6: with quarterbacks specifically, I think more than anything, Joe.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that you know when you go

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Speaker 2: what were you're just talking about and becoming a professional

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Speaker 1: Now it's a little.

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Speaker 2: Different because guys are getting in NIO mind. They have

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Speaker 2: they feel like, man, I've made it, and their game

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Speaker 2: important is it the management of money, in management of

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Speaker 2: realize you really haven't made it just yet. You made

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Speaker 5: Oh? Man, that's a good question. I think it's a

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Speaker 6: I think last year I had a chance to do,

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Speaker 6: you know, just some scouting for the Texans during the draft,

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Speaker 5: That I'd be interested in.

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Speaker 6: And I watched a lot of film on a lot

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Speaker 5: His film, you've seen a kid that played hard.

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Speaker 6: They competed each and every play, and I think you

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Speaker 5: He was compensated well for that.

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Speaker 6: But you know, you go and do your research and

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Speaker 6: everything checks the boxes across the board, and then you

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Speaker 6: So I think it's really about you having a great

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Speaker 6: to see who's going to continue to be hungry and

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Speaker 6: and now you get one of those top guys in

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Speaker 6: and now you have to manage all those things that

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Speaker 6: come with being a top pick and getting you know,

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Speaker 6: at the same time, now you have to really develop

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Speaker 6: a process just to get you to the National Affoileage

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Speaker 5: Now everybody's looking see what you're going to do while

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Speaker 6: So I think that's the biggest jump that players have

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Speaker 5: That you got selected to that team.

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Speaker 6: As a high pick, you have so much pressure because

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Speaker 5: See are you improving? Are you taking your job seriously

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Joseph with us. You mentioned Kamari Lassiter, Jonathan, and

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Speaker 4: I want to approach it from this angle. You ran

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Speaker 3: So Lassiter did not. Lassiter ran slowly relative to that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for six four I got for So do we

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Speaker 3: Can you speak to that.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think I needed to run that time.

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Speaker 6: I only played like twelve Division one games, so I

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Speaker 6: you had any doubt about my speed, you know. I

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Speaker 6: think a guy like Lassily, he has plenty track record

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Speaker 5: And take it into consideration.

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Speaker 6: But when you put on the tape and watch the film,

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Speaker 6: that never comes into question. It never jumps out at

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Speaker 6: You're like, Wow, this guy can't run or this or

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Speaker 6: maybe he's just a bad tester, because you know, a

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Speaker 5: A four six four y five to four to four,

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Speaker 6: So I think it get overblown at times because we

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Speaker 6: all looking for the four to three guy. Of course

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Speaker 6: we are, but every fourth three guy can't play football.

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Speaker 2: Also, your guy that did run a four to three

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Speaker 2: joe that you had a chance to spend some time with,

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Speaker 2: especially his rookie year, and that was Derek Stingley Junior,

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Speaker 2: he gets a big extension in three years, ninety million.

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Speaker 2: We've seen him from the Bengals game of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: he is now, and I don't he's a different player

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Speaker 2: because we always knew it was there. We saw him

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Speaker 2: as a true freshman LSU. He was a freaking superstar

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Speaker 2: at eighteen years old, and his game continued to develop.

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Speaker 1: Last year he showed all that ballhawk nature.

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Speaker 2: You've got a chance to spend time with him up

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Speaker 6: When I was here, you know, coming in, like I said,

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Speaker 6: He processing and he's seeing it from a different lens,

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Joseph with us JJO.

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Speaker 4: You played with Tamiko Ryans in the twenty eleven season

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Speaker 5: I think a team that's buyding to his identity.

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Speaker 6: I think tough, tough minded, professional, physical approach, but also

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Speaker 5: I think if you watch the Miko play.

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Speaker 6: A guy out there, every time he took the field,

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Speaker 5: Everyone buy into it.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's what this team is starting to

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Speaker 5: You see, he's excited when a guy makes a play.

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Speaker 6: He's having fun with his players, but he's also holding

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Speaker 5: It's a guy who has his back. No different than

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Speaker 6: You want to know that the guy that playing next

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Speaker 2: Also, we were talking about Derek Stingley. Of course, I

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Speaker 2: And it got me thinking, who was the toughest guy

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Speaker 5: I was like, are they trying to get me out

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Speaker 6: We playing Kansas City first time, Alex Smith was still

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Speaker 5: He had me following Tyreek Hill. Me and Kevin Johnson

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Speaker 6: I say, man, they're trying to sabotage me, right, But honestly,

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Speaker 6: it's any of those top quarterbacks, I mean top wide

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Speaker 2: Okay, two things Number one, does it make you feel

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Speaker 6: When I was in Cincinnati. That was always a thing

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Speaker 5: It's just something that you just couldn't stop.

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Speaker 5: You know, whether it's through zoom or.

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Speaker 5: So I think this being a part.

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Speaker 6: the locker room or just you know, college memories or

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Speaker 6: whatever it may be. So I think just having a

444
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Speaker 6: chance to do that and then also learn, you know,

445
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Speaker 6: a lot of people did in the business world and

446
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Speaker 6: things after their professional career. So I think just you know,

447
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Speaker 6: getting different views and just learning and meeting people from

448
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Speaker 6: different other professions other than football.

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Speaker 1: Also, Joe, we.

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Speaker 2: Haven't talked about this much because more than likely he's

451
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Speaker 2: out of the realm for the Texans. But Travis Hunter

452
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Speaker 2: plays wide receiver in corner. You obviously played corner. Your

453
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Speaker 2: great hands, you probably could have played wide receiver at

454
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Speaker 2: some point, and there were probably times you probably asked, Hey,

455
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Speaker 2: I can go play wide receiver when the Texas needed

456
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Speaker 2: a wide receiver. If you were a coach or GM

457
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Speaker 2: and you had to decide on Travis Hunter, how would

458
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Speaker 2: you approach it. Would you play corner and then spot

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Speaker 2: him at receiver, or play at receiver and then maybe

460
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Speaker 2: use him as the nickel cover guy on defense, or

461
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Speaker 2: would you play him both ways all the time. You

462
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Speaker 2: know how hard it is to play one side. How

463
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Speaker 2: tough it would it be for Travis Hunter to try

464
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Speaker 2: and play both?

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Speaker 6: Oh, Man, I don't like I don't want to take

466
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Speaker 6: another way from him, because I watched that kid in college.

467
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Speaker 5: Man just crank out one hundred plays in a game.

468
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Speaker 6: Like it was nothing consistently consistently and other than a

469
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Speaker 6: few times, you know, whether he took that one big

470
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Speaker 6: hit on the sideline, he was always healthy, you know.

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Speaker 6: And I watched him growing up because my kids played

472
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Speaker 6: seven on seven and you know, just the things he

473
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Speaker 6: was able to do at the receiver position. I believe

474
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Speaker 6: he probably invented the head top. Although we always had guys,

475
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Speaker 6: you know, yea was getting that. We called it getting

476
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Speaker 6: moss when I was growing up, right, But you know,

477
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Speaker 6: I remember on the seven on seven he was one

478
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Speaker 6: of the first kids just going up and just snatching

479
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Speaker 6: it from everybody and taking it from him. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I watched him do the same thing. I watched his

481
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Speaker 6: basketball highlights. He can jump above the rim. So it'd

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Speaker 6: be hard for me because a guy like DeAndre Hopkins

483
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Speaker 6: come to mind. I just always have that picture in

484
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Speaker 6: my head when I see him go up and attack

485
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Speaker 6: the ball. I have I seen a defensive back with

486
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Speaker 6: balls feels like he is in a long time, you know,

487
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Speaker 6: maybe Champ Bailey, possibly Charles Woodson, and then when you

488
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Speaker 6: watch him play defense. And I have a sixteen year

489
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Speaker 6: old son that's a junior in high school here and

490
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Speaker 6: he played receiver in defensive back as well, So when

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Speaker 6: I'm watching Travis Hunter, I'm only looking at the technique.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I've seen guys play both sides, you know,

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Speaker 6: Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey and those guys, but they wasn't

494
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Speaker 6: as just sharp and crisp as he was in detailed

495
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Speaker 6: as he was as a receiver.

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Speaker 5: I remember one line he ran a back line.

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Speaker 6: Play in a game and it was just you know,

498
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Speaker 6: he's running over there and he uncovered and just wiped

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Speaker 6: the guy by.

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Speaker 5: And I looked and.

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Speaker 6: I was like, that was just as natural as I

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Speaker 6: seen any receiver ever do it in the NFL. And

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Speaker 6: you go on corner back and he got the same technique.

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Speaker 6: He's able to read the quarter, the coverage and come

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Speaker 6: off and make two or three crazy interceptions the way

506
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Speaker 6: he's able to can tork his body.

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Speaker 5: So it's just I don't know what you do. I

508
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Speaker 5: was thawing him off.

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Speaker 6: As a defensive back and then put him over there

510
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Speaker 6: on offense because you can put the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 6: And I think the train pansition to be easier with

512
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Speaker 6: him learning the skills set of a defensive back in

513
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Speaker 6: the NFL and going to get some snaps a receiver

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Speaker 6: first from being a receiver.

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Speaker 5: And coming over to play some spot dB.

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Speaker 4: A couple more J Joe, all right, coaching, you are

517
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Speaker 4: so impressive in so many ways. But one of the

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Speaker 4: things that I always stood out was offensive players saying

519
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Speaker 4: they would talk to you about their craft on their

520
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Speaker 4: side of the football. You were a coach on the field, truly,

521
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Speaker 4: do you want to coach? Is that interesting to you?

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Speaker 4: You mentioned scouting last year a little bit. What's in

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Speaker 4: the future for you?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? I think you've been around me throughout my career.

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Speaker 6: You would always say coaching would be, you know, something

526
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Speaker 6: that I would be for at some point in the future.

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Speaker 6: I think it's because when I played the game, I

528
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Speaker 6: just always wanted to learn the ins and outs, you know,

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Speaker 6: other than just my position. I wanted to learn what

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Speaker 6: was going on around me, obviously, the defensive line and

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Speaker 6: the linebackers.

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Speaker 5: I think that helped my job out a lot.

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Speaker 6: Because I knew what my weaknesses was, I knew who

534
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Speaker 6: my help was, and I knew I could be vulnerable

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Speaker 6: at times, you know, you know, susceptible to be giving

536
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Speaker 6: a big plays and things like that, or where the

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Speaker 6: weakness was in the defense, you know, whether it was

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Speaker 6: in a run fit or pass coverage.

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Speaker 5: And then I think obviously the.

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Speaker 6: Older you get, the more you sit in those meetings

541
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Speaker 6: and you start to pay attention because you know, the

542
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Speaker 6: league is a very repetitive league, copycat league, and things

543
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Speaker 6: like that, So you see so much over and over

544
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Speaker 6: that you're ave to throw your memory bank.

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Speaker 5: You're able to store tendencies from coaches.

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Speaker 6: You're able to throw all these different things if you

547
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Speaker 6: just continue to pay attention and just learn.

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Speaker 5: And I think I was able to do that.

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Speaker 6: And you know, when we had Bill O'Brien there, everybody

550
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Speaker 6: talked about, you know, well the New England Way and

551
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Speaker 6: things like that, but it taught us a lot of

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Speaker 6: football guys. I was on that team, you know, because

553
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Speaker 6: we was able to sit in those meetings. The offense

554
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Speaker 6: had to learn how to defense seen it. The defense

555
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Speaker 6: had to learn how to offense seen it. So then

556
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Speaker 6: I was able to sit in there and learn things

557
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Speaker 6: that the wide receiver had to do or he wasn't

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Speaker 6: getting the ball. You know, you got to go across

559
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Speaker 6: this guy's face, but you got to get to this

560
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Speaker 6: spot or be in this area or on defense anytime

561
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Speaker 6: a cornerback has his hip locked, he can't get back

562
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Speaker 6: to the seven route because he don't have the right angle.

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Speaker 6: So it was just a lot of small things that

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Speaker 6: I learned that I just continue to put in my

565
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Speaker 6: memory bank, and it helped me extend my career and

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Speaker 6: also helped me help other guys because every coach, I'm

567
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Speaker 6: not going to be able to reach every guy all

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Speaker 6: the time or be on the field to talk to

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Speaker 6: a guy, so I was trying to do those things also,

570
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Speaker 6: so it naturally came to me is just helping others

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Speaker 6: and trying to give back.

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Speaker 5: I think that's something that I'm looking forward to in

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Speaker 5: the future.

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Speaker 2: Also, obviously, players young and old, vets and rookies, Joe

575
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Speaker 2: come from all different walks of life, et cetera. But

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Speaker 2: if you could give one consistent piece of advice to

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Speaker 2: young players in the league right now, what would it be.

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Speaker 6: I think just continue to work and get better. I

579
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Speaker 6: think the league is competitive league. It's a lot of

580
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Speaker 6: different things that go into you know, players as far

581
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Speaker 6: as making Pro Bowls, making you know, different things, So

582
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Speaker 6: you can't get caught into all these things now, especially

583
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Speaker 6: with social media going on, you know, you can't have

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Speaker 6: a players in a small market, you know, getting upset

585
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Speaker 6: because you don't have the same thing that a player

586
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Speaker 6: is playing in LA or New York having, you know,

587
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Speaker 6: just different things. Get upset if your contract doesn't go

588
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Speaker 6: your way. You know, you can only do what's best

589
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Speaker 6: for you. I think you know, the more, the better

590
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Speaker 6: you play, the more leverage you have in those situations.

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Speaker 6: So I think it's about understanding the game and learning

592
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Speaker 6: the game. That's what I would say, understanding the game

593
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Speaker 6: of football itself, but the business side also, because I

594
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Speaker 6: think the more you can do that, it can take

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Speaker 6: a lot of the emotion part out of it.

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Speaker 4: J Jo, you played in four playoff victories, if I'm

597
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Speaker 4: not mistaken, eleven, twelve, sixteen, and nineteen, correct. I think

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Speaker 4: you're the only Texan to do that. Without looking, I

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Speaker 4: can't think of anybody else. Well, I'm talking about position players.

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Speaker 1: What you know.

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Speaker 3: God bless John Weeks. He's awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, bust players, and he's played in six We can't.

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Speaker 4: We can't, iron man, but that's pretty amazing stuff. But

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Speaker 4: you tell me other than playoff victories, give me a

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Speaker 4: couple of games that stand down.

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Speaker 3: This is the last one that stand out in.

607
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Speaker 4: Your career that you loved, whether you were doing something

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Speaker 4: great somebody else was it was a win.

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Speaker 3: I presume it was a win. You tell me, man,

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Speaker 3: I'll say it had to be.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if it was twenty eleven and twelve

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Speaker 6: when we played Pittsburgh stiller Is at.

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Speaker 3: Home eleven, yeah, eleven, seventeen ten.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that game there.

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Speaker 6: Everybody made plays in that game and I just remember

616
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Speaker 6: the stadium was rocking that game and Pittsburgh was still

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Speaker 6: Pittsburgh at that time.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, great that game and.

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Speaker 6: Had to be probably that overtime game against Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's twenty twelve. Yep, that was awesome.

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Speaker 5: Walk off, the walk off with Dre.

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Speaker 3: Yep, excellent, that one, great, great man.

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Speaker 6: It was one more that Arian False just went crazy

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Speaker 6: and wow, I can't remember it was twenty ten.

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Speaker 4: You weren't here for that one, but he went nuts

626
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Speaker 4: a few times.

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Speaker 5: That was.

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Speaker 6: That was this That was against Cincinnati Bengals when he

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Speaker 6: went up.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that was that was a probably playoff game.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, in twenty eleven, that victory. He went

632
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Speaker 4: crazy in that game. That was awesome, good stuff. Jjo

633
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Speaker 4: always a pleasure to visit, and we look forward to

634
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Speaker 4: go talk. I know Watt is on the latest one,

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Speaker 4: so that's awesome and we look forward tom anymore.

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Speaker 5: Oh problem. Thank you guys for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Met so many great Texans over the years, man, coaches, players, staff,

638
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Speaker 2: et cetera. That man right there is one of my favorites.

639
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Speaker 2: Just an absolute stud in every single way. Really appreciate

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Speaker 2: Jjo stepping in. All right, it's top for in the lab.

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Speaker 2: Drew Doherty's gonna stop by with me. We got a

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Speaker 2: good in the lab coming up a little either or

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Speaker 2: it's a game I created that Drew is flipping the

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Speaker 2: script on. We'll do that next right here at Texans

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Speaker 2: All Access. What's happening, everybody? Welcome back to Wednesday edition

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Speaker 2: of Texans All Access from the Texans Radio studio.

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Speaker 1: I am John Harris Football and a sideline reporter. In

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Speaker 1: one half of the in the.

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Speaker 2: Lab CREWM and Drew Doherty the other half. We had

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Speaker 2: a good time breaking down some either oars that Drew

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Speaker 2: decided to throw at me. See how I felt these

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Speaker 2: were very very fun draft related Here we go in

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Speaker 2: lap Drew, John, all.

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Speaker 7: Things being equal and a mecca at Buka is there,

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Speaker 7: the wide receiver from Ohio State. He's one of the

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Speaker 7: most mock players to the Texans. Yes, if he's available,

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Speaker 7: or Gray Zabel is there. Out of those two, who

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Speaker 7: would you see that you think the Texans would take him?

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Speaker 1: If I if I.

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Speaker 2: Rely solely on my my board, which you can see

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Speaker 2: a Football taker dot com, I got my Harris one hundred.

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Speaker 2: I'm still kind of getting it right where I want

663
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: so I don't have it posted just yet, but it'll

664
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: be posted soon. My Harris one hundred. I have a

665
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: Buka post. I have Abuka ranked ahead of Gray's Abel

666
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: just purely where I have them ranked. And I I

667
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: think Greys Abels ends up being a long time starter

668
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: in this league.

669
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: But it might take a little bit.

670
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: You know, having played at the FCS level, you know

671
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: we've seen FCS players struggle a little bit. You know,

672
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: Titus came in and you Titus as a rookie, Tights

673
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: play pretty well, but.

674
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: He only played eight games and got comfortable with it.

675
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: And you know we've seen Titus, you know, have to

676
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: learn how to be an NFL guard from Alabama State and.

677
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: Or guard tackle.

678
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: I mean that it could be a challenge at times,

679
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: and I think Titus would be a good one to

680
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: talk to you about, you know, the challenges of going

681
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: from facing guys and now.

682
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: Titus had a really good last year at.

683
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: Alabama State, and one of the reasons he ended up

684
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: get drafted in the first round was how he performed

685
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: against Auburn that year, playing against some of the best

686
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: in the SEC, and that really kind of caught everybody's attention,

687
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: you know, and greys Abel did that at the Senior Bowl.

688
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: It was perfect, but you saw some of that grit

689
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: and that grind.

690
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: And I know we've talked about the offensive line, and

691
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: I really would like to have offensive line in the

692
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: caliber of Greys Abel.

693
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. But if I just go

694
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: purely on.

695
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: My board and I look at the wide receiver position,

696
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: I think what the Texas have done in the offseason

697
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: that receiver drew with. I think Justin Watson's flying well

698
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: under the radar, but you run in Braxton burials well.

699
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: And then obviously the trade for Christian Kirk. I think

700
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 2: Kirk ends up being your number two. But I think

701
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: at twenty five, getting a guy like a Bukah, He's

702
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: so steady, and my comp when I watched Abukah. This

703
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: is even back in twenty three, I had this thought

704
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: bad I remember, you know where I'm going with this,

705
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: and I've comped him to a young Robert Woods. And

706
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: what's funny is I went and I found a highlight

707
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: reel of Robert Woods from his time at USC and

708
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I mean, first of all, the number

709
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: stands out at number two, but still just body type

710
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: what they ask him to do, how gritty and how

711
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: swarming Robert Woods was and will remain throughout his career.

712
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: He's just obviously gotten up in years and been in

713
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: the league for a while.

714
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, I feel like I'm watching Abuka,

715
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: and I watch a Buka and I'm like, man, i.

716
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: Feel like I'm watching Robert Woods.

717
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: I feel like the same thing as I said about

718
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: Robert Woods, the same things I feel about Robert Woods.

719
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: I have that feeling about Abuka and then you realize it.

720
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: Is off the field character, just his football character are pristine,

721
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: spot on. I don't know that about Gray's abel. My

722
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: gut tells me that there are no issues there. I

723
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: know for a fact talking to a number of people

724
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: I did at the Combine a Buka like they rave

725
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: rave about a book at Ohio State, and I think

726
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: there are a few guys at Ohio State that that

727
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: people rave about from that standpoint. So I just feel

728
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: like a Buka would be a perfect perfect fit, and

729
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: I want to go with a book. I would go

730
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: to the Bakay, let's stick with him, he's there. Or

731
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: Luther Burden, Missouri Wide Receiver. Do you think the Texans

732
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: would go with?

733
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: Okay?

734
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: I you know, it's funny Bob again who now does

735
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: his anonymous scout thing for I shouldn't call a thing

736
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: because the work that he does is incredible. He gets

737
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: anonymous scouts he being with Milwaukee or with Green Bay. Yeah,

738
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: it was with Milwaukee Greenba. It was in Wisconsin Milwaukee

739
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: Sentinel Journal, I think it was. And he would get

740
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: anonymous scouts to talk and he had and he didn't.

741
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: There was a few things about Burden that he said,

742
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, talking about the impact.

743
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: Of his mom.

744
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: I guess his girlfriend or fiance runs his all his

745
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: management stuff. And so there was a scout that was

746
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: not very you know, uh way of saying it.

747
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: He was not very positive about that.

748
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: Now we've we've seen situations like that in the past.

749
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I was told by it,

750
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: but numerous people about the impact of stings Dad during

751
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: the draft process and all that kind of stuff, and

752
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: people thought that was going to be a major problem,

753
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's it's even a problem.

754
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: And talking to.

755
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Derrek Stingly Senior the other day, you realize, Okay, you

756
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: see exactly where Derrick Stinglely gets it, and you're like, Okay,

757
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: that was not an issue. So if I take that

758
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: part of it out, I just feel I feel like

759
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: I trust Abuka a little bit more. Okay, I think

760
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: Burden is electric. My comper Burden actually is defon Diggs

761
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: because about the same size, kind of that same electricity

762
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: in the way.

763
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: He plays the game. I don't think.

764
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: I think Burden's probably just a tick faster, you know

765
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: Stephan always Steph didn't test extremely well coming out of

766
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: Maryland and that's why you ended up going at the fourth,

767
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: fifth round whatever in it being his Day three pick.

768
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: But I think Burden will test a lot better. But

769
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: just that kind of start stop suddenness, the twitchy stuff. Yeah,

770
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: you see that with Burden. But I think where people

771
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: are getting lost in a Buka is they think, Wow,

772
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: he's just a slot receiver. He doesn't have kind of

773
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: that kind of twitch that Burton does. And it's true,

774
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: I don't think a Mecca has quite that burst. But

775
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: a Mecca's got a lot of what you like in

776
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: getting separation, then catching the football, then making plays after

777
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: the catch, his route running.

778
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: In football intelligence, you can see in the things that

779
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: he does.

780
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: I pointed out on the Cotton Bowl there's a two

781
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: play sequence back to back where Abuka on the first one,

782
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: on a third down catch, gets separation from a slot

783
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: guy just the way.

784
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: He runs his route. And on the second one he

785
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: does the same thing.

786
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: He beats the nickel man to man and he gets

787
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: cross faced on his leverage, and then he runs a

788
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: route to the inside, and Abuka knows the linebacker is

789
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: coming in the safety or closing from the other side,

790
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: so instead of running into them, he bends his route

791
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: just a little bit more upfields so his quarterback can

792
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: hit that hole.

793
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: Boom makes a nice sliding catch.

794
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: First down, like back to back plays, and I'm like,

795
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: you had that to the Texans on back to back plays.

796
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: I feel I feel really sad about a Buka. So

797
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: I've got a Buka with.

798
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 8: A quarterback he's played with a quarterback he's played with.

799
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, you got that right, Absolutely, Okay, Matthew Golden

800
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 7: or Buka Golden, Golden speed and the I had.

801
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 2: Two depending on how you classify Travis Hunter receiver, corner

802
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: right or whatever. My my wide receiver one is still

803
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: t Mac Tedoro McMillan.

804
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I love T Mac. I think he is a uh.

805
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: I think he's He's DeAndre Hopkins with a couple more

806
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: inches and a little bit more size. He's got the

807
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: best hands that I've seen as a prospect since hop.

808
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got incredible glo sticks.

809
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: He ran four five, which to me at six four

810
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: two fifteen to two twenty whatever he is like, ran

811
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: four five. He's got incredible ball skills. I've comped in

812
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: with Drake London. I'm like, man, could you have Drake

813
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: Ludden this offense with Nico and Kirk Like yeah, I

814
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: don't think macmillan's gonna get to us. My next receiver

815
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: is Mathew Golden runs a four to two nine. That

816
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: shows up in the way he plays, his ability to

817
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: pull away from defenders.

818
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: He's from Houston.

819
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: There's always been kind of this passion seemingly about Houston,

820
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: and I think I want to see with the client.

821
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: Kana could be wrong about that, but I just know

822
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: he's a Ustonian. I kind of fell in love with

823
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: the guy when he said University Houston. He had two

824
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: kickoff returns for a touchdown and you're like, WHOA, this

825
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: guy is different. But I think his receiver game really

826
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: expanded when he got to the University of Texas. Now,

827
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: not a big guy, about five to eleven, but he's

828
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: won seventy two.

829
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: So's not a big guy.

830
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: He's bigger than Tank, even faster than Tank, and you

831
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: had a speed element, but just a guy that puts

832
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: some fear and defenses. With CJ throwing a deep on

833
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: it to me after Anico got hurt in that game

834
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 2: against the Bills last year, Drew, I think our deep

835
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: ball game just died, and I think that was something

836
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: that we've got to be able to bring back. And

837
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: I think a guy like Matthew Golden absolutely Now, don't

838
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: get me wrong, I think Abuka can give you some

839
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: of that too, but I then Golden gives it to

840
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: you even more so.

841
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: Got it, so I would go Golden at that point.

842
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 7: Okay, Josh Simmons, oh offensive tackle from Ohio State, or

843
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 7: greats Abel, Like all those wide receivers are.

844
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: Gone, okayll the receivers are gone. I've got Simmons or Zabel.

845
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: I really want to say Josh Simmons. And I think just.

846
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 7: Because you bring him in and you let all the

847
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 7: other competitions sort well, and he's part of the competition.

848
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 7: But let all that stuff sort out. Let the cream

849
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 7: rise at the top.

850
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: You know me, You've been around me long enough. I

851
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: the injury.

852
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: He's going into the draft though, He's gonna worry me

853
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, but I'd be a hypocrite if

854
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 2: I said that would keep me from drafting Simmons, because

855
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: I was Sauce over sting the whole way.

856
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I was staying over Sauce the whole way.

857
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: Yea.

858
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: And even though he had two straight years of injuries.

859
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: I was a Stingley guy the entire way. In twenty

860
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: twenty three, his first year on campus, at how it stayed.

861
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: He transferre from seeing State, I'm watching it and they

862
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: had the CJ had left and a lot of the

863
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: offense had left. So I was like watching the offensive line.

864
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: I'm like he was seventy one. That dude moves Holy cow.

865
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: Kept watching him like this guy's pretty good. Nobody's talking

866
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: about him. I thought something's wrong with me, and I

867
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: started looking him up. I'm like, okay, what's this deal?

868
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: And so continuing on into twenty twenty four. You know,

869
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Simmons had been on my radar screen for a while,

870
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: but I'm like, man, now he's talking about him, So

871
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: am I wrong?

872
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see.

873
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: Well, all of a.

874
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: Sudden, the first month of twenty twenty four, everybody's talking, Oh,

875
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: the highest riser, Josh Simmons.

876
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, people, all right. I wasn't crazy, got it.

877
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: This dude is a natural tackle natural, the way he moves,

878
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: He's got some some bleep in his system.

879
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: He is tough and gritty.

880
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: I I would end up taking Josh Simmons. In fact,

881
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: I got a feeling that Josh Simmons for me and

882
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: my hair's one hundred and one.

883
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: It saw said done. He's gonna be top fifteen.

884
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they will be around twenty nine to thirty,

885
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: but Simms is gonna be tough fifteen. I think you

886
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: could almost make a case he's the best pure tackle

887
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: this in this draft, and I'm almost ready to make

888
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: that case that he's the best pure tackle in this draft.

889
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 7: Okaysago Simmons, how about this one. Either the Texans will

890
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 7: trade up to get Tyler Booker, oh, the guard from.

891
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 8: Alabama, and I don't know how high they have to

892
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 8: go to do that.

893
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good question yet, or they will trade

894
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 7: out of the first round. He's got some ammo. He's

895
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 7: got Nick Casseroo. He's got four picks in the top

896
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 7: ninety some plus plus extras next year too.

897
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

898
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: I Booker becomes really really interesting because I think I

899
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: think people in the media have sort of soured on

900
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: him because in a sense, well, he's not that athletic.

901
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Then you start, well, he's not that athletic.

902
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: Okay, he's gonna have issues with athletic bigs in the middle.

903
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: No, this guy is an alpha in the locker room.

904
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: That is something that has been discussed often about the

905
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: off the line room needing some alphas. I think trading

906
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: up for Tyler Booker now the question becomes how far

907
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 2: you have to go off? So that that's the tricky part,

908
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: because I can make a case for Booker at eleven

909
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: to the nine Ers.

910
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Booker at twelve to the Dallas Cowboys.

911
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 7: I can't see the Cowboys taking him. I can't they

912
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 7: need him, they need it. I can't see them doing that.

913
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: My last mock draft, that's where I had Booker going

914
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: because I'm like, and it was just after Zach Martin

915
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: had retired, and if you think back to twenty fourteen.

916
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 8: It seems like too smart a move for them.

917
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly right now.

918
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen, he made a smart move and it was

919
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: Zach Martin over Johnny Manziel.

920
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: So they can do that.

921
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: That worries me about Booker because I think they need

922
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: some help on the interior in the offensive line.

923
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: But I think the Cowboys will do something flashy.

924
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: I just have a feeling that this is a year

925
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: for them to Yeah, and.

926
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: They went off into live and last year.

927
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: I can see Jerry in the room going, hey, we

928
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: went with your offens a lineman last year. This year

929
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: we're going some flash. We want that wide receiver from

930
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: Brown University like, okay.

931
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: His name is.

932
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: But I just have a feeling that when I when

933
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: I heard Tyler Booker say, he essentially looked at Will

934
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: Anderson Junior for his leadership, where to go in being

935
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: a leader and how to be a leader.

936
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: And he looked at will and.

937
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: Offseason and he steps in at guard and he is

938
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: a hammer in the run game.

939
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Uh he as strong as an ox.

940
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: I mean his hands, God bless when he latches on

941
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: to big strong dudes in the sec they go.

942
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: Nowhere is he perfect?

943
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: No?

944
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: Is he gonna get beat by some quicker? You know

945
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: it's Quinn Williams gonna beat him. Probably Quinn Williams beats everybody.

946
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: Quin Williams beat Zach Martin and the best guards there

947
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: have ever been. So Quin Williams is gonna beat those guys. Well,

948
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: Luckily we don't play Quinn Williams this year, but we

949
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: do play Chris Jones. Could Booker handle Chris Jones one

950
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: on one?

951
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to.

952
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: Think that he could, because the other part of that

953
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: is Tyler Booker would then get to hammer Chris Jones

954
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: in the run game a little bit and wear him down,

955
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: which I kind of like.

956
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: So I thing trading up, now here's the thing. There

957
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: are a number of guys.

958
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: You could convince me that they could trade up to

959
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: go get and you know they trade to go get Booker, Yes,

960
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: Kelvin Banks.

961
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 7: Yes, the question you think they trade up to get

962
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 7: Kevin bis wellas.

963
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: This is my point and you kind of alluded to this,

964
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: how much like what is your I want to go

965
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: up ten picks to go get Booker.

966
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: I want to go up five picks to get Banks.

967
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: I want to go up fifteen picks to go get

968
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: Will Campbell because he's falling number ten.

969
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's that part that gets.

970
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: Really really interesting. You know, do I want to go

971
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: up and get Matthew Golden? You know, Golden's sitting there

972
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: at twenty, man, let me go get him? Or I

973
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: think one team to keep an eye on. And I

974
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: actually saw this on a website, the Atlanta Falcons. Falcons

975
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: only have five picks because of the Penix trade and

976
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: so they don't have a lot, and so they'd like

977
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: to replenish. They're sitting there at fifteen. Fifteen's a nice

978
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: little sweet spots.

979
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 8: Man.

980
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: Now that's ten picks. So you are going to have

981
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: to give up a bit, and it's probably gonna be

982
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: a little bit more than you want to give up.

983
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: But for for Booker, for Banks, for Golden, for those guys,

984
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: kind of in that range. Yeah, I could see it,

985
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: maybe even maybe even t Mac.

986
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: The thing I like about all those guys that we're

987
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: talking about.

988
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: Is they feel they feel swarm, and they feel like

989
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: they would fit. Now, the fact that I've mentioned four

990
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: guys that I feel like could be really good fits

991
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: for the Texans, that also makes me think that Nick

992
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: sits there and goes, yeah, that's four guys. The probability

993
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: is that one of them will be there at twenty five,

994
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: and we feel very good about that, so we don't

995
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: have to give up extra draft land Yap.

996
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 1: We can just sit here at twenty five.

997
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: Now, if you start seeing you know, you're sitting there

998
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: thinking that with the Falcons at fifteen, but all of

999
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: a sudden, two or three of them go off the

1000
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: board the next five PICTU, you're like, oh, now, maybe

1001
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: they go up and get one of those guys that

1002
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 2: ends up remaining. I think that could end up being Booker.

1003
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: As much as I love Booker, I just think t

1004
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: teas like a guard and Bookers a true guard. Booker

1005
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: isn't playing tackle. Booker's not playing center. He is a

1006
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: guard left guard mainly, but I would imagine you could

1007
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: play right guard with him too. He's a guard, and

1008
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: I think that I don't want to say it hurts

1009
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: his value, but I think it just maybe limits.

1010
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: There might be two teams, three teams that go.

1011
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 8: Sort of anchors it.

1012
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we want a little bit more scheme flex

1013
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: and we get that with Gray's abel.

1014
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: You gotta know you haven't need a guard.

1015
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: And the flip side of that is there are some

1016
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: teams that definitely have needs a guard, no doubt.

1017
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 7: All right, well let's uh, let's get rid of the

1018
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 7: either orders. It's their final question of today. But let's

1019
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 7: say some odd alternate universes out there and the Texans

1020
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 7: at the first overall pick. Oh, they weren't going to

1021
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 7: trade it. They're taking their player at number one overall.

1022
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 7: Who's a pick for the Texans? Not a quarterback? Obviously,

1023
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 7: I know exactly what I do. I know exactly what

1024
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 7: I do. This should be Travis Hunter to me all day,

1025
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 7: every day. And here's why I actually texted Sean Pennery

1026
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 7: at some point.

1027
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was. I think they may

1028
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: be talking about in the air, and I had a thought.

1029
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: I was, like, you know, I said, Sean kind of

1030
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: half jokingly said if I were Nick, I'd trade everything

1031
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: I've got to get up to go get Travis Hunter,

1032
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: because Travis would end up killing two birds with one stone.

1033
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: Because yes, the Texans signed Ronald Darby, I think is

1034
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: a really good move. But I feel like you could

1035
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: take Travis and you could put him on a slot.

1036
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: Or you could have Travis played man and man on

1037
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: the outside and put Kamari on a slot and have Sting,

1038
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter and Kamari Laster going man to man on

1039
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: the three best receivers on the other side, and you

1040
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: are absolutely no flies one at that point. Plus you

1041
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: then can add Travis Hunter at receiver and he becomes

1042
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: the two or three receiver, giving you downfield components, give

1043
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: you catch and run situations, giving you kind of that

1044
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: that X factor.

1045
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: You can give him push passes.

1046
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: Jet sweeps, all that kind of stuff, and you kill

1047
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: two birds with one stone.

1048
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: So I to me, it would be Travis Hunter.

1049
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: Now the flip side of that is my number one

1050
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: overall player in Harris one hundreds. Abdul Carter ooh interesting, Yes,

1051
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: I would take Travis Hunter, but I have dual. Carter's

1052
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: my number one player to Harrison one hundred and my

1053
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: hope is that he does not end up at Tennessee.

1054
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather face cam Ward than have to

1055
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: tangle with eb Duel Carter. It's kind of the way

1056
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: I feel right now, but you can change my mind

1057
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: later on all Right, there's a lot of stuff going

1058
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: around in the NFL, including one of our own while

1059
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 2: he's making a slight job change. We'll discuss that next

1060
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: on Texans All Access. All Right. Here we go, last

1061
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 2: segment of a Wednesday issue of Texans All Access. I'm

1062
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: your host, John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter for your

1063
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: Houston Texans, and it's the Houston Texans in the sense

1064
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: that we attached to our good pal J J.

1065
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Watt.

1066
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: Now, JJ last year was in the studio for NFL

1067
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: and CBS the pregame show.

1068
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: I always wondered.

1069
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: Whether JJ would like that or not, because there's just

1070
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: really no time with so many guys on the show

1071
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: to kind of spread your wings and discuss football and

1072
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: b JJ Watt, who we know him to be, funny, sarcastic, informative, smart,

1073
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 2: all those things great football I Q that you would

1074
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: love as a game analyst. Well wish no more. Now

1075
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: there's kind of a domino effect here. I'm gonna read

1076
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: you a tweet from Jimmy Trayner. Jimmy has covered the

1077
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: media side of life for a long time. He does

1078
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: it for SI. He tweeted this. CBS announced that Gary

1079
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: Danielson is retiring as CBS's lead college football analyst after

1080
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five season. CBS now does Big Ten

1081
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: games as opposed as you see either way, Charles Davis

1082
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: will succeed Danielson the following season. Traina finished that leaves

1083
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: a huge opening for CBS's number two NFL analyst job. No,

1084
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: it does not, because that's where JJ Watt will go.

1085
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: If you remember, JJ did the net Flix game last

1086
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: year in the booth I believe was Nate Burleson and

1087
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: I think they did it with Iron Eagle, and that's

1088
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: who JJ will be calling games with starting in twenty

1089
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: twenty five. Charles Davis did the games with Iron Eagle.

1090
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: I thought there's a great team. Now Charles is gonna

1091
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: go in twenty twenty six and become the lead college

1092
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: analyst alongside great play by play man Brad Nesler.

1093
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: So Davis, who I love. I love Charles Davis.

1094
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna hop over to the college side alongside Brad Nessler.

1095
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: JJ is gonna slide in starting this year with Iron

1096
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: Eagle and be the number two team on CBS.

1097
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it.

1098
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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be freaking awesome, not only for

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00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: JJ but for all of us. I think it's gonna

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00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: be really fun to listen to JJ for three hours

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00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: discuss football and he's with Iron Eagle, and I think

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00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a blast with Ininegle.

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00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really fun.

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00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: I think I am makes it really easy for his analyst.

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00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: You here in basketball now during March Madness Iron Eagle

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00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: with Bill Raftery and with Grant Hill, he does a

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00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: great job keeping them a gauge kind of some back

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00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: and forth with the two. With the three of them,

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00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: I think he and JJ are going to be a wonderful,

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Speaker 2: wonderful TV crew. So with the Danielson retirement announcement, the

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00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: domino effect does get all the way to JJ Danielson

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00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: retiring after this season.

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00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Charles Davis will move over there.

1114
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Speaker 2: Because Charles is out, then that moves JJ into the

1115
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Speaker 2: spot next to Iron Eagle. So congratulations JJ, awesome stuff

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00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: and thank you to Mark for being here, to Drew

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00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: for being here, and all you for listen.

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Speaker 1: We'll see next time, and as always, go Texans.