1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is a man who 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: wears many hats. James Maslow is an actor, singer, producer, 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: and entrepreneur who is best known for the global success 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of his band Big Time Rush. James is proof that 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: boy bands while they are alive and well as the 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: multi generational fandom surrounding Big Time Rush is extraordinary now. 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: James is a platinum recording artist who a few weeks 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: ago concluded his second US tour after his first US tour, 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: which was just a summer prior to this one, selling 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: out arenas like Madison, Square, Garden and The Forum. Yeah, 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: it's safe to say that James and his band Big 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: Time Rush are in serious demand pending the sag after strike. 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: James is slated to film a new Lionsgate feature film 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: later this year, and he has multiple scripted and unscripted 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: projects in development, so lots more to come from James. 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: And aside for being an international rock star, James has 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: a passion to motivate young adults to follow their dreams. 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: He makes sure to carve out the time to speak 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: around the country to motivate and inspire people to show 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: them that they too have the ability to achieve what 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: they set their minds to. Paying it forward. I certainly 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: love that. So let's see if today we can get 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: James to say something that he's never said before. James Maslow, 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: my friend. How you doing today? 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: Tom? He It's good to see it, buddy, and I'm 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: quite well. Thanks. How you doing? 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm good. It's good to see you. I know you're 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: fresh off your tour, which we're going to talk about. 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: You happy to be home. 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 2: I'm so happy. 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: The tour was a ton of fun, don't get me wrong, 33 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: but you know, three months away from your own bag, 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: your own a routine, it is extremely nice to be 35 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 3: home and to be settling into Miami, my new home. 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Well, today we're going to celebrate 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: you and your amazing career and your tour and your 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 1: music and everything, because what you've a pomplished in your career. 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about success a little later in 40 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: the episode, but what you've accomplished is extraordinary. So I'm 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: going to bring it back for a minute to paint 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: a picture. So two thousand and nine, Nickelodeon TV show 43 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: Big time Rush. You were actors playing a band, right 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: that wasn't actually a real band, but then it became 45 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: a band and it became one of the most successful 46 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: boy bands in the world. How did this all Happenink. 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: It's fair to say that we weren't a band. 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: Both were created, at least the concept, the idea of 49 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: both a real band and actors on a TV show 50 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: was created simultaneously. 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: But yes, the TV show was the. 52 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: Catalyst and we were playing I mean almost like art 53 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: reflex life reflects art. We didn't know how well either 54 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: one of them were going to do, right, So we 55 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: wanted to put a scripted show out there, a comedy, 56 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: a single camera show that the entire family could watch 57 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: and be proud of, and then put music in the 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: show and then take that music intour as a real band. 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: At every aspect of it. 60 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: For the most part, worked out and became bigger than 61 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: our wildest imagination. So so lucky that that was the route, 62 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: because it's two years of auditioning before it even happened. 63 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 3: It could have gone so many different ways, right, And 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: then we took a big hiatus and I came back 65 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: in and brought the band back together, put the team 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: back around it about three years ago, again not knowing 67 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: what was going to happen, with no real expectations, only hopes. 68 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: And it's bigger this time than it was last time. 69 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 70 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: Why we're being so blessed and we're so lucky, but 71 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: it's been an amazing, amazing project and now as a band, it's. 72 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: Just it's more fun than it's ever been. 73 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: Well, I think you're being blessed because it's quality, right. 74 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: You guys put out quality work and I always say, 75 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: everybody can smell a fake, and it's not like you 76 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: came back into this and are half assing it. I mean, 77 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: you guys wore your hearts out in the work that 78 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: you do, which not everybody can always say, you know 79 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: what I mean, Yeah. 80 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and I think you're right. 81 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: I mean, there's no aspect of this that was ever 82 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: manufactured despite the initial idea very much, I think from 83 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: Columbia and Nickelodeon was like, hey, we'll kind of put 84 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: it together and do it the old school way, and 85 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: if we need to write the music for them and 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: create every aspect, we will. But the four of us, 87 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: every step was like, yeah, that's cool, but we're also writers. 88 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: Let's give it a try, and started presenting songs and 89 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: more and more got more cuts on the albums, and 90 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: to the point where this last album we did practically independently. 91 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: We ended up doing a distribution deal, semi label deal 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: with BMG. You've been amazing partners, But the whole album, 93 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: before we sign anything, it was literally just the four 94 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: of us, a few writers and a few producers. 95 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: So it doesn't get more authentic than that. 96 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: We can show you fifty other songs that didn't make 97 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: the album, the trials and tribulations of trying to figure 98 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: it out on our own without any direction and support, 99 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 3: especially after an almost ten year hiatus. And I only 100 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: say all that to say that we've now played some 101 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: of these songs over my last three tours. We just 102 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: finished our second US tour in as many years, and 103 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: we did a South American tour, and the new music 104 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: has resonated just as well, if not in some ways 105 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: more so than the old music, because it is authentically 106 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: one hundred percent of us. So I appreciate the kind words, 107 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: but I'm kind of just riffing on what that means 108 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: to me. And I think you're absolutely right, like you 109 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: put us up against any other bands, any other boy 110 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: band especially, we're singing, we're dancing, we're writing, we're creating, 111 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: and now we're running the whole business. 112 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: So hey man, again, it could have not worked, but 113 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: it's working great. 114 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh, it's working very very well. You mentioned 115 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: the hiatus almost ten years. Was that a difficult decision 116 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: at the time for you guys to make and what 117 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: was that deciding factor? 118 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: It was an extremely easy decision for me at the time, And. 119 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just you know, I think all four of 120 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: us were pretty much on the same page, and we're 121 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: forward to very different people. There's certainly some difference of 122 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 3: opinion at the time, but collectively we had really felt 123 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: burnt out. 124 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: We spent so many years. I mean, we. 125 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: Eventually had to learn to act for a day a 126 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: week off like a Sunday, because for so long it's 127 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: it's like, hey, we just had a lot to do, 128 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: and we were grateful for the opportunity and wanted to 129 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: go and go and go. But no matter how cool 130 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: your job is, no matter how much you love it, 131 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 3: if you never give yourself a breath, you never give 132 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: your mind, your body, your spirit, the ability to focus 133 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: on something else, a hobby, your friends, your family, other 134 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: things that are quite important in life. No matter how 135 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: great your job is, you will get burnt out. And 136 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 3: so we learned that lesson, and it was just it 137 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: was necessary. You know, we had no idea at the 138 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: time if we would ever get back together and what 139 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: that would look like. 140 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 2: We certainly didn't project that one. 141 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 3: Day we're going to be able to essentially own the 142 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: brand and operate independently like we do now. But again, 143 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: the silver lining of taking that break and taking that 144 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: risk is that's what happened. They didn't really continue with 145 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: the brand. They owned it big time Rush, and other 146 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: than syndicating the TV show, the music, the branding, the socials, 147 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: they just kind of let go. So when we came 148 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: back in it was a great opportunity that we didn't 149 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: expect to take control of the get with them again 150 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: and build it back up. 151 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: Man, talk about a triumphant return. Two tours in two years, 152 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: amazing singles, a new album, TV appearances. I saw you 153 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: all on the Today Show. I mean, you guys are 154 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: killing it. So what was that deciding factor to bring 155 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: you all back together? 156 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: I Mean it was pretty pretty straightforward. I had a 157 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: meeting with our current management, and they're fantastic. Jared Paul 158 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: runs faculty management and he used to produce our tours, 159 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: so we all had a great working relationship with him, 160 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: who was never our manager though he was always a manager, 161 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. We just had a different team 162 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: and he was our tour producer essentially. So I had 163 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: a meeting about solo music, frankly, and about other things 164 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: I was DJing and won this year in his opinions, 165 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: some insight into what I was trying to do. And 166 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: at the very end of that meeting, I threw out, there, 167 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: what if we brought Big Time Rush back, Like, I'm 168 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: trying to do all these other things, and I've been 169 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: very blessed to lead a bunch of movies, do a 170 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: bunch of solo music. I was going down the route 171 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: of djaing at the time, but I was like, you 172 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: know what, everything that I'm doing and everything the other 173 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: guys are doing independently would only benefit from BTR coming 174 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: back if the timing's right. So I asked him a 175 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: few questions. I was like, hey, A, do you think 176 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: that there's interest in the market. He immediately said, let 177 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: me go and find out. I'll go back tomorrow. B. 178 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: Would you want a management? I don't manage us, pardon me? 179 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: Would you want to management? Would you want to manage 180 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: the band? And I don't think I've ever heard him 181 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: respond so quickly to a question. He said absolutely yes, 182 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: which really warmed my heart. I mean, he loves us, 183 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: he had belief in us from that very moment, even 184 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: from years prior. And then the third one was the 185 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: wild question, So it was how do we own it? 186 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: And to which his gears started turning and there was 187 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: no definitive or obvious answer. 188 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: But he came back the next day said, spoke to. 189 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: Your old team, spoke to your old agent, spoke to 190 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: a lot of other people in the industry, and there 191 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: was a resounding positive response that everybody was like, man, 192 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: this could be the right time, you know, it could 193 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: be could be long enough where now there's this built 194 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: up anticipation and if you do it right, and you 195 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: do with this team, so long story long called up 196 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 3: the guys, and several of the guys that tried to 197 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: get the band back together over the years, and I 198 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: personally never had the time or the interest based on 199 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: how they were trying to do it. 200 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: But with faculty and jareded on board, I felt very. 201 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: Confident and with the inside information that man, there's a 202 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: lot of people excited about that, I felt very confident 203 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: that timing could be right. So I called the other 204 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: guys and you know, wanted to see if they felt 205 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: the same way. 206 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: Ultimately they did. 207 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: We took some meetings, started some conceptual ideas, started hiring 208 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 3: on the team, including the attorney that helped us license 209 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: the brand eventually, and man, it was just it. It 210 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: started flowing after that. Then immediately COVID hit right when 211 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: we were like, Hey, we're gonna put together music and 212 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: we're gonna go I'm going Look, everybody has their own 213 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: version of this story. 214 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: You know. 215 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 3: I had a bunch of things going planned and COVID, 216 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: but you have to always look at things from a 217 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: positive perspective. 218 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: And again using the term silver lining. 219 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: Lining of that for us was it gave us extra 220 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: time to figure out the right sound, to write all 221 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: the songs that didn't work, to do all the zoom 222 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: sessions that weren't going to be the most impactful when 223 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: we came out. 224 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: So by the time the things, you know, let up, 225 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: we could tour again. 226 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: We could release, We had solidified the deal we wanted, 227 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: we had the partners around us we wanted, and we 228 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: had some music that was actually really good because we've 229 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: gone through a lot. 230 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: Of bad songs. Yeah, and that's that's how it came together. 231 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: And again with all of that, like I keep saying, 232 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: like you know, in your industry, you've been so successful 233 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: and you've been continuing to work, but every step of 234 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: the way, there's that question of is this show going 235 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: to continue? 236 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: Am I going to get another job? 237 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: I mean, we live in a crazy world and we 238 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: work in one of the craziest industries, So that's always 239 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 3: in the back of our mind with every tour, every song, 240 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: everything we put out. But again, our fan base, the world, 241 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: Friend's Family Press has supported us in a way that's 242 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: been remarkable. And it again, I'm just I'm so sitting 243 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: here in a state of extreme gratitude. 244 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: I can talk to you in such a positive manner. 245 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: It's been working great and God willing, we are just 246 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: getting going. 247 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: When you guys were having those meetings about getting back 248 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: together after that hiatus, yes you have an incredibly loyal 249 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: fan base, but did you have any fear around the 250 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: idea of what if we come back and people just 251 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: don't care? Like, did you have those conversations? Did you 252 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: have that fear behind you? And if you did, how 253 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: did you kind of push that aside and decide we're 254 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: going for it? 255 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: I mean, of course you'd have to be real arrogant 256 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: not to. We do try, and myself especially focus on 257 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: all the positives and what could be. That's always how 258 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: I am, which like, hey, this just did pretty well. 259 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: How well could this route be? But it's not always easy. 260 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: I mean, look, even after the first Summer's tour, you know, 261 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: we sold out Madison Square Garden. 262 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: That's amazing. But then there was a thought, man, if 263 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: we put. 264 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: An album after this, we don't even got in singles, 265 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: will people care or were they just showing up because 266 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: of the nostalgia? You know, we hadn't been around a 267 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: long time, and that's a big card to pull, which 268 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: we did for last Summer's tour, and how is that 269 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: going to work? 270 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: So of course we share that. 271 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: I think that any artist constantly shares that fear of 272 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: will my next song be as good as my last, 273 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: my next album, my next two, or my next movie, 274 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 3: my next series, and you just you know, I learned 275 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 3: a long time ago not to focus on that because 276 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: you can't control that it's gonna be what it's going 277 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: to be. Focus on the positives, Focus on what it 278 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: could be, Focus on how great it could be if 279 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: it's even bigger, or if it's just as big. Focus 280 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: on the one or two fans you might affect positively 281 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: with that new song. Maybe it doesn't get up you know, 282 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: millions and millions of streams, but you're still going to 283 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: have a handful of people who do love it, who 284 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: it could potentially change your life in a positive way. 285 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 2: And we hear those stories all the time. 286 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: So I think it's just important to kind of focus 287 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: on the macro, keep the big you know, the micro 288 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: pard and may keep the big macro picture going, but 289 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: focus on the micro stories, on the micro successes, and 290 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: let those be enough to drive you and keep you 291 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: positive and keep you happy. 292 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 2: And it works bigger than that, just you know, cherry 293 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: on top. 294 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And it's about controlling what you can control 295 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: and letting go of what you can't. 296 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: Right, easier said than done, Absolutely. 297 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know it is easier said than done. 298 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: But to have the framing of your mind in that 299 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: positive mindset, I think is a huge first step. So 300 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: that's really cool that you kind of go through your 301 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: artistry with that mentality. The fandom is insane in the 302 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: best ways possible. I mean they they like you said, 303 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: you sold out Madison Square Garden. What is your secret 304 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: sauce to captivating an audience? 305 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: Truly? I think it's just having fun on stage. Yeah. 306 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: I went to San Diego School of Creative Performing Arts 307 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: when I was younger than from the eighth grade, so 308 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: the middle of tenth or eleventh grade, and I had 309 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: a teacher, mister Bill Doyle, who was my musical theater 310 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: coach and fantastic one of my biggest inspirations at that 311 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: point in my life and still to this day still 312 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 3: think about Doyle, and I remember him staying, you know, 313 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: I was very hard on myself all the time, and 314 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: I was very critiquey, and I would get off stage 315 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: even at a rehearsal or show that people cheered for 316 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: I got standing applause as we all did right as 317 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: a production, and I would just be focused on the negative. 318 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: And he told me one time, and it stuck with me. 319 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: It's like, hey man, you can critique yourself. You can 320 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: be hard on yourself. You're gonna be the hardest person ever. 321 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: So I'm not going to be upset you about mistakes. 322 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: You're gonna notice all of them. But make sure that 323 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: every time you're on stage you're having fun. Otherwise you 324 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: stop right now, like you can't take that with you 325 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: into the performance. 326 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: So watch the tape, improve study train. Course. You know 327 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: you should do those things. 328 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: But when you get on stage, if you're not having fun, 329 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: I promise you, the audience won't be having fun either. 330 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: And the same thing as reciprocal. 331 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: On the other side, if you're having fun, regardless of 332 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: mistakes or it doesn't matter, if you're enjoying yourself, it's 333 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: contagious and the audience is going to love it and 334 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: they're gonna enjoy themselves. And pretty much every show I've 335 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: ever played, I remind myself of that and go out 336 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: there and just try and truly have fun, which of 337 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: course is the best way to do the job. And 338 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: I notice it does leed into the audience. You know, 339 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: it's contagious, like you said, And I think it's a 340 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: really effective way of putting on a good show and 341 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: keeping the audience engaged. 342 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems like your band is really close 343 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: with the audience. You're interacting with them, you're throwing your 344 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: hats at them, you're you're just They're very much a 345 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: part of your. 346 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: How we dive in, we play songs with them. 347 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: I mean, that's part of how we do it and 348 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,479 Speaker 3: why our fans love the shows. 349 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: And not everyone does that. Is that something that's super 350 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: important to you? 351 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: Of course? Yeah. I think it's something that separates us too, 352 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: just because. 353 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: Not only have the four of us never had any 354 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: fear with doing that, and there's legitimate fears, you know 355 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: what I mean, getting trampled, getting sick, you're touching a 356 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: bunch of hands. 357 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: Like we've never really worried about that. I'm pretty sure 358 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: immune systems are like crazy good because we go out 359 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: there and get get in it. But also it's something 360 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: that we truly enjoy. You know. 361 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: It takes a pop show and turns it into kind 362 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: of the rock star moment for a song or two 363 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: for us, and it's just a hell of a lot of. 364 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: Fun for us and the fans. 365 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine. And we can't skip over a 366 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: galas over Madison Square Garden. I'm a New Yorker. That 367 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: venue is so historic and iconic, especially to me being here. 368 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: How would you. 369 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Describe the night you played at Madison Square Garden. 370 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it was wild, it was surreal. 371 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: You know, we actually got to park our buses in 372 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: New York City right on forget which street, thirty fourth, Yeah, 373 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: which apparently is a rarity even for the biggest act. 374 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: Somehow our tor manager pulled it off. So I remember 375 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: being in New York City, one of my favorite cities 376 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: technically where I was born a whole family's from, and 377 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: just walking off my bus, like waking up and being 378 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: in the city, and then walking into the venue and 379 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: then being like, oh, I forgot something walking back. It's 380 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: just it's so not a normal thing to experience. And 381 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: then you know, I remember playing fetch with my dog 382 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: on the ground a MSG as the stage is being 383 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: set up. I just did the same thing at the 384 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: Forum which we just played, and we're lucky to sell 385 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: out this just this summer, this past two or a 386 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 3: few weeks ago, And that kind of to me feels 387 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: like the MSG of the West Coast in many ways. 388 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: You know, I grew up and spent. 389 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: Many years in LA and so both venues were just 390 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: same experience. Got to wake up, be right there, you know, 391 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: kind of just wave high at the security that you 392 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 3: normally could never get through and never get in for 393 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: like a regular concert or game sporting event. And they 394 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 3: have pictures of me up there, so like don't even 395 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: wear a pass and it just it feels pretty cool. 396 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: And I think the fans feel it too. And we 397 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 3: played MSG and played the Forum, they know that for us. 398 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: For them, it's an iconic moment. It's the first time 399 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 3: we're playing these venues, God willing, it's not the last, 400 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: but we'll never forget the first time. 401 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: And what's so cool, I imagine is looking out in 402 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: the audience, you have your fans from the beginning, right, 403 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: and now they're coming and they're bringing their kids, and 404 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: it's become this really multi generational fandom. Is that something 405 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: that you ever imagined? 406 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: Not really. 407 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: I mean we think back at the beginning of this, 408 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: you know, touring fifteen years ago, when we started, there 409 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: were a lot of kids in the audience, and then 410 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: one of just the biggest changes this time around is 411 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 3: that there's very few kids. Some are now bringing their kids, 412 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: like you pointed out, because the show is on Netflix 413 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: and now it's on paramount. Plus we're gaining a whole 414 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: new generation because of the show being syndicated, But most 415 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: of the fans are adults. Now most of the fans 416 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 3: are eighteen to twenty five, and then the next biggest 417 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 3: group is you know, twenty six to thirty four, and 418 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 3: it's it just feels like we're playing much more to peers, 419 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: and in that sense it is actually a lot more fun. 420 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 3: We've always been a family friendly show of concert, but 421 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: none of us have ever felt like we're playing, you know, 422 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 3: making it a kiddie show. And so now more than ever, 423 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: it's a show by adults for adults. The kids can 424 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: of course come and enjoy it because we're not going 425 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: to be swearing and doing lude content, but it really 426 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: is it's for our direct peers, and to make them excited, 427 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: to make them proud of the show, I think means 428 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: just so much more, frankly than a kid watching it. 429 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: Of course, is going to be an od to have 430 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 3: somebody who's been to thirty concerts or whatever and goes 431 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: is the best show I've ever seen. 432 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: Those compliments go a. 433 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: Lot further, and you can probably open up about things 434 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: that clearly are more adult, you know, in nature, but 435 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: things that excites you more right at this point of 436 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: your life. 437 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: Of course. 438 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 3: I mean it's easier to focus on things that we 439 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: like now that we're running the show. I mean, there's 440 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 3: certain things where you got to play the hits even 441 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: if you don't love them, and it's just part of 442 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: any any band's business. But for the most part, we 443 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: play what we want to play, we say what we 444 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: want to say, and is just truly more enjoyable for 445 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: us because we're operating a band and a business the 446 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: way that we see would be the most fun. And 447 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 3: I think that that's you know, we're getting it right 448 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: more times than not. 449 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: So you've grown up in this industry. I mean, two 450 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: thousand and nine you joined Big Time Rush, So what 451 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: would you say is one of the biggest life lessons 452 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: you learned? And from all the way back then to now? Hmmm? 453 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: Because life lessons, I mean on a real sense, nobody 454 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: really teaches anything about finance or savings. 455 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: I think generally in school it's something we're missing, but 456 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: especially in this industry. 457 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: Everybody starts making a paycheck when they're pretty young, at 458 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: least in my world, and the paychecks a lot bigger 459 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: than most people make, and I think there's just a 460 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: sense of excitement that, oh my god, this is more 461 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: than I've ever made. 462 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: So I'm going to spend it on things that I've 463 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: always wanted. 464 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: And there's this thought in the back of your head, 465 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: whether it's prevalent or not, that it's always going to 466 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 3: be there. Some people are arrogant and actually say, like, 467 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: you know, of course, like what do you mean, I'm 468 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: always going to be star and it's going to be there. 469 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: But even if you don't have that type of attitude, 470 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: I think there's a thought that, like, hey, you just 471 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: see it coming in every week and you get used 472 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: to it or every month or whatever you're you know, 473 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, when the show stops, 474 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: it takes a hiatus, you're not touring. You hadn't really 475 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: managed how to spend that, how to save that. So 476 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: that's something that I have taken upon myself as I've 477 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: gotten older, to read about surround myself with mentors really 478 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 3: understand at least the basics of investing in finance and saving, 479 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: and it's put me into so much more of a 480 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: comfortable position than a lot of my peers who just 481 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: weren't taught it, and it's not even their fault necessarily, 482 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: but that would be something that maybe I would have 483 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: gone back and give myself a little bit more of 484 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: an education. But I will say I was lucky that 485 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: I had a manager that kind of forced me into 486 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: not forced, but really was like, hey, don't buy that 487 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: stupid thing, you know, don't you don't do anything until you. 488 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: Buy your for stows. He was very old school, but 489 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: he was right, you know. 490 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: He just in his old school way, was like, you know, 491 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: don't be an idiot, don't be a prick, don't overspeain 492 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: on I mean, and it's like, yeah, I would maybe 493 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: talk to myself a little differently, But those lessons I'm 494 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: extremely grateful for because he did. I did have a 495 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: saving before I understood why I needed the savings. I 496 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: did buy my first property when I was twenty one 497 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: or twenty two, which you know how many years later, 498 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: now over a decade later, I've seen what compound interest 499 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: really means, see how inflation can be positive and as 500 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 3: you know, the economy grows, what real estate can do. 501 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: So I feel like I'm boring anybody listening right now, 502 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: but that'd. 503 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: Be an important one. 504 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 3: And then a slightly less deep one would be enjoy 505 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: the little things and enjoy every moment versus stressing about 506 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: the future, which kind of feels maybe counterintuitive to what 507 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: I just said, but that's life and that's balanced. So like, yeah, 508 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: plan for the future, but make sure you're enjoying the moment. 509 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and be present as much as we can. Again, 510 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: easier said than done, but working towards that I think 511 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: is so important. And what you just said, I mean, 512 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: getting a house in your young twenties, that's something that's 513 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: so not normal and in your world, right you're earning 514 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: a paycheck really young, and that that was normal. So 515 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: at what point of your career did you finally look 516 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: in the mirror and say, oh, man, I'm successful and 517 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: what is your definition of success? 518 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 2: Well, truly, not until recently, really, until you know the 519 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: last I don't know, four or five years ago. 520 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: Before this is right before I got back into bringing 521 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: the band back, to be honest, because the decade or 522 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: so of me doing independent films and smaller TV shows 523 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 3: and solo music, it forced me to be much more 524 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 3: rational with spending. And that's when I got into like, 525 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 3: hey man, I need to understand this business of finance 526 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: a little better. So it forced me to become more organized, 527 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 3: to put more money away, to be in a place 528 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: where I was truly living beneath my means. 529 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: You know, I think we've all learned lessons in different ways, 530 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: And one of the. 531 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: Ones I learned is I bought another house at a 532 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: certain point in my life when I had the cash, 533 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: but I didn't have the income, so I overextended myself. 534 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 3: Though in theory and on paper, that was a good investment, 535 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: and yet it made me money eventually, but I ended 536 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: up being in a place like, hey, I had made 537 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: all this money, but all of it was in investments. 538 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: Nothing was liquid. 539 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there kind of stressing about paying some 540 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: of the day to day stuff I want to do, 541 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 3: from dinners to flying to meet a friend. 542 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I had a business manager 543 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: that was like, hey, man, you know, maybe I should 544 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: relax on this. 545 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 3: So, without getting into too much of the details, it's 546 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: just important to, you know, not overextend at those times either. 547 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, man, I'm grateful that I had some of 548 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: those lessons, including some of the hard lessons. 549 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: But once I reorganize, once I started really living beneath 550 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 3: my means and savings and building up other verticals. 551 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: In my life to bring an income. 552 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: It put me in a place where I was actually 553 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: like men for the first time, and since I was 554 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 3: a kid. I don't feel stressed about paying a mortgage. 555 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 3: I don't feel stressed about going out to a dinner. 556 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: I feel stressed about flying my dad out and helping 557 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: out family and all the things that I have done 558 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: and I want to continue to do, and I'll never 559 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: forget those. One of the first moments in my life, 560 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, man, this is how I want to live. 561 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: Even if it meant changing my lifestyle and having a 562 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: less expensive house and having a less fancy car, I'll 563 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: do whatever it takes to be at ease. 564 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: And that's where I've put myself today. 565 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: Where I drive what I want to drive, I fly 566 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 3: when I want to fly, I invest what I want 567 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 3: to invest. But I'm not overdoing it so that I'm stressed, 568 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 3: because no matter how much that ROI could potentially be, 569 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: I have enough and I don't want to live in 570 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: a state of worrying about the next fricking check. 571 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's such a healthy mentality to have. 572 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: But something tells me with everything you guys are doing, 573 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot more work you're going to be bringing 574 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: to the vandom of big time Rush because people want 575 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: more and more. And I know people are always asking you, 576 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, what's next? Are you going to you know, 577 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: bring the show back or whatnot? How close are you 578 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: to doing something on TV or film with the group? 579 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Are you having those conversations? Are you close to figuring 580 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: out what that might be? If anything? 581 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: Certainly not close, but yes having the conversations. 582 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 3: I mean, I I've continued to act to actually have 583 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: an incredible film that as soon as SAG allows us, 584 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: we're going to be going. 585 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: Same director that did my last. 586 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: Film, Wolf Found, which a big World War II film, 587 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 3: not my last film, but my last big action film, 588 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: and his name is Michael ba Chates and the success 589 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: of that movie in part allowed him to get amazing 590 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 3: funding with Lionsgate Grindstone to do his next. 591 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: Movie that I'm lucky enough that I've been invited to 592 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: be a part of. 593 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 3: And I can't get too many details away, but it's 594 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: a big western, gonna be a lot of fun, a 595 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 3: lot of gunfights and horse riding. 596 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 2: And just when I read the script, like, man, this 597 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: is exciting. 598 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 3: It's the most fun, exciting Western I have read in 599 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: a long time, and I think people are going to 600 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: say the same thing. 601 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: God will even get that going. I have a couple 602 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: of TV series as well that are in development. 603 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: Some have sizzles and decks and series, but everything, as 604 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: you know, is pretty much dead in the water because 605 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 3: of these strikes, and the strikes are necessary and they 606 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: need to happen, and I really hope that it's resolved soon, 607 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: but resolved the way that it needs to be. So 608 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: without digging into that, the whole band is open to 609 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: doing a scripted project, whether it's a one off movie 610 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 3: or a theories hard to say yet because we haven't 611 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: even gotten into the development phase, but all it will 612 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 3: just say that we acknowledge the fan base would love it. 613 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: We think we'd have a lot of fun doing it. 614 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: We got to figure out what it would look like. 615 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 3: There's just a million different ways we could go with 616 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: redeveloping a show. 617 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think, you know, I think in the 618 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: next couple of years it's very possible. 619 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: You guys are pretty close, huh like in terms of 620 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: having a good friendship of brotherhood. 621 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we look we not many people can 622 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: sleep next to each other on a tour bus for 623 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: months at a time, see each other more than they 624 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: see their own friends and family for years at a time, 625 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: and not be at each other's throats all the time. 626 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 3: And the fact that we get along ninety somethings percent 627 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 3: of the time is truly a blessing. I mean, after 628 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 3: three months, let me tell you, I'm extremely happy not 629 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: to see They're still little faces right now. 630 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: But I also miss him. I love them. We're still 631 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: in text and in fact, we're all flying next week 632 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 2: to I think this is news to Kendall's wedding. He's 633 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: getting married. 634 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if we can say when aware, but 635 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: you know, next week and we're gonna fly somewhere and 636 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 3: really get to hang out without work, which I'm so 637 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: excited about because we have a friendship outside of work 638 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: too that we almost never get to experience. We've been 639 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 3: on vacations together, it's's been a long time, so this 640 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: will be nice to a few days of the boys 641 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 3: just hanging out and hopefully not talking too much about work. 642 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting. I never even thought about that. 643 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: You guys are constantly working when you're together, and I 644 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: imagine that's a very different relationship than when you can 645 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: just kind of kick back and chill. 646 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard to, you know, foster a culture 647 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: of just like being buddies. When you constantly have deadlines 648 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 3: with music, you got to pick which songs you've got. 649 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: We're running multiple businesses. 650 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: Here, and it's necessary we got to be working pretty 651 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: much twenty four seven on them. But like any friendship, 652 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: I think it's important to take time to just forget 653 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: about the drama, forget about the work, and get to 654 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: bond and hang and. 655 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: Talk about normal things. 656 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: So I think this weekend way will actually be really 657 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: nice for us for that's awesome. 658 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: Mika, of course, Kendles seem to be wife. 659 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, you guys, you all have your own 660 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: individual personality. Right When you put a bunch of people together, 661 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't always go great. It depends. It can either 662 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: be a maze or it can be a disaster, dumpster fire. 663 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: So what does somebody have to be as an individual? 664 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: What components do they have to have to actually flourish 665 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: in a group like that in the way that you 666 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: guys have. 667 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: I mean, truly, you have to listen, like try and 668 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: understand the other person's perspective, and quite often you're going 669 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 3: to have to compromise. I think that's the same in 670 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 3: most relationships, whether the business or personal right, but in 671 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: being part of a band, it just got to be 672 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: one of those things you kind of go, hey, this 673 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: isn't one hundred percent mine. You know, I have twenty 674 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: five percent of this and the other guy's opinions value. 675 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: And we share everything equally. 676 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: I think it's the smartest way to run a business 677 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: and a band also, that's another important one. 678 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes you can say, hey, this isn't 679 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: how I would do it personally, but as a band, Okay, 680 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: I see that how that could work. You two or 681 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: you three. 682 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: Feel more strongly about this, then I'm going to take 683 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: a back seat. And then when you feel extremely strongly 684 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: about it, you got to be willing to push in 685 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: a polite way without being too aggressive. And even then 686 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: sometimes you're not going to get your way. You got management, 687 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: you've got label and teammates. It all helped try and 688 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: make this happen, but it's not always easy, and you 689 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 3: just got to remember that you love each other, remember 690 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: that it's a business, but it should be fun. 691 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: And sometimes you just you do take your breath here, 692 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: you walk away for a few minutes, and you come 693 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: back to the table. 694 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: So I got to say that that is a lot 695 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: easier this time around than it was back in the 696 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: day when we were considerably younger. Now we all run 697 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: other businesses, have other relationships. You know, Carlos is married 698 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 3: with kids. I mean, our responsibilities have vastly changed in 699 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: many ways. That's a good thing because I think we 700 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: have that much more respect for one another. When something 701 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: doesn't go right, it's easier to be calm about it 702 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: and just figure it. 703 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: Out right right. And this time around, you're probably even 704 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: more sure of who you are individually, and you can 705 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: bring that energy to a group. What's so cool, James, 706 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: is you guys have such incredible staying power. 707 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: Right. 708 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: Originally, back in nine, an executive essentially put you all together, right, 709 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: you said you were auditioning, auditioning. 710 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: From two thousand and seven and then it was live nine. 711 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know nine. Yeah, so he put a bunch 712 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: of random people together. But you guys have made it 713 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: work and last all these years later. What do you 714 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: attribute to that staying power that brings you to sell 715 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: out Madison Square Garden in the forum. 716 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: So we truly enjoy what we do. It's a lot 717 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: of fun, it's a lot of work. 718 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: But I would rather be putting in a lot of 719 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: work to this than just about any other industry. And 720 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 3: when I think about people that like talk about how 721 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 3: difficult being a musician, being an actor, being a host, 722 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 3: working in this industry is, I go, yeah, but wouldn't 723 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 3: it be just as difficult to be at the top 724 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: percentile of any other industry. You know, if you want 725 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: to be the absolute best attorney in the world, you 726 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 3: don't think you're gonna work eighty hours a week or more. 727 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: You don't think that doctors we're now resound, you know, 728 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: renowned around the world for being the best of the best, 729 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: have a similar struggle. So I think I kind of 730 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: don't agree with that concept at all, that this industry 731 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: is just so much more difficult. I think it's like 732 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 3: anything to be the best in something, to be at 733 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: the top percentage, and I say, you're gonna have to 734 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: work your ass off, but hopefully you're doing that with 735 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 3: something you love. And I think that is a huge 736 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 3: part of the key of having staying power, because you 737 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 3: don't love it. 738 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: You're not going to put in a work man. No 739 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: amount of money is worth eighty hours a week or 740 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: full time with no breaks and not going home for 741 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: half your year if you don't love it. 742 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: So that's a huge part of it is we all 743 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: have so much fun, especially being on stage. Those other 744 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: guys and myself feel so at home. It wouldn't work 745 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 3: without that quality, without that love. 746 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: Well, said my friend. What is your biggest pinch me 747 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: moment professionally and personally. 748 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: Besides the Garden and then more recently the Forum, biggest 749 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: pinch me moment? I mean those are obviously big ones, 750 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: but you know this. 751 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: This last summer we played P and C in Jersey, 752 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: and I actually think that we sold more tickets there 753 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: than even the form of the Garden because it just 754 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: it holds more people. 755 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: I think it was the biggest show of the last year, 756 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 2: maybe last two years. 757 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: It's like almost twenty thousand people, I mean in the 758 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: States at least. And it wasn't just about the size 759 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: of it. 760 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: It was my uncle, who I love and I. 761 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: Remember turning to fifteen years ago because he used to 762 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 3: work in the record business, and I remember asking him 763 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: for advice and questions and suggestions for an attorney and 764 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 3: figuring out these contracts and like all the craziness and 765 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 3: it has gone so full circle where he's calling me 766 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: being like, hey, can you please get me ten tickets 767 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: you know, to come in and see with the kids 768 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 3: and their friends and my friends, my business partners, and 769 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 3: it's just at such a it was such an interesting 770 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 3: moment where he's my own family and I love him, 771 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: you know, and he's offering He's like, hey, you know 772 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: I'll pay for him whatever. 773 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: I'm going, What do you mean You're not pay for anything? 774 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate you. 775 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 3: You're treating me with such amazing regard to this sense, Like, 776 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: but dude, I'm still your nephew, you know what I mean. 777 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 3: You still help me get here. And it just it 778 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 3: put a smile on my face and was a little 779 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 3: bit of that pinch me moment because I was like, 780 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 3: this is one of my closest family members and he's 781 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 3: asking for my cousins, and he's asking for people that 782 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 3: I actually adore and would do anything for. But it 783 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 3: was just reminder, like, man, I guess the band is 784 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 3: kind of at that level now, which seems again bigger 785 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 3: than it's ever been where people are I don't know, 786 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: looking at me and looking at us differently than we do, 787 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: and then I do. So it was a pinch me 788 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 3: moment of like, hey, that feels. 789 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: Good and I appreciate it. But we're family first. I 790 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: got you what do you need? Ten tickets? Fifteen tickets, like, 791 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 2: don't worry about it. Is it a Panama ask? Of 792 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: course it is. You're Panama ask all the time, you know, 793 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 2: going back to that relationship. But it was great. 794 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: And then to see them. I flew my dad up 795 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 3: for that show too, and just to have family be 796 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 3: there and be truly fans and be truly excited. It 797 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: was very much, you know, a reminder of how far 798 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: we've come. And yeah, and then personally, I think a 799 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 3: big one was. 800 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: Moving to Miami. We rented a house here, the boys 801 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: and I to do some Spanglish music. 802 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 3: In fact, one of the songs we did was an 803 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 3: English song called Forget Me Now that actually made it 804 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: to our album, which is cool. 805 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: But I had such a great time here. I was 806 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: between LA and I got a house in Vegas. I 807 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 2: wanted to leave La. I just wanted something new. 808 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 3: It had fourteen years there and at such a great 809 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 3: time here that shortly after my girlfriend Caitlin and I 810 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 3: just said, let's do something crazy. 811 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 2: Let's move across the country. We never lived on the 812 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 2: East Coast, at least not since I was a kid. 813 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: We had a great time there, We have some friends there. 814 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: It seems like an amazing city, and it was one 815 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 3: of the greatest things I've ever done because I'm so 816 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 3: much more at ease here, so much happier here. I'm 817 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: in the sun more often, I'm on the water, and 818 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 3: like actually active, actually finding a group of healthy friends 819 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 3: that they exist everywhere I just didn't. 820 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. I felt like I had just had 821 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: a different life in La So I'm glad I took 822 00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: that risk. 823 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: It's a big old pain in the ass to consolidate 824 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: the two houses and move cross country, but man, let 825 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 3: me tell you it was worth it. 826 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 2: Because now every time I fly back home, I'm excited. 827 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 3: To go home. 828 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: Ah. That's the best feeling. That's the best feeling. I 829 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: always say, your home should feel like you're sanctuary, right, 830 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: and especially being someone who's so into wellness and health 831 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: in all of those areas, it's important to have that 832 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: mental clarity when you're done for the day. 833 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of which, not to brag, but to me, 834 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 3: these like these little moments of things that still excite me. 835 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: And I think having a tangible goal is totally okay. 836 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 3: Wanting fancy things and nice things I think are extremely 837 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 3: appropriate goals to have. Not everything should be about material objects, 838 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 3: but it's okay to want them. And my rap gift 839 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 3: to me And I just placed order yesterday. Is it 840 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 3: with a cold plunge and an infrared saunups. 841 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: And we're building a house out here and I wanted 842 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: to literally we're building it to be with a sanctuary 843 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: of mind. The home, gym, the pool, the kitchen. 844 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 3: It's just I want to host people have healthy dinners 845 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 3: and I want that little sanctuary. 846 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 2: So the fact that I have like two things I 847 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 2: have always wanted for recovery on the way, I mean, 848 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: you can tell how excited I am about it, Like 849 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. 850 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: That's amazing, dude. Yeah, you're lighting up over it, and 851 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: that's great because it's something you've had your eye on 852 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: and you're able to do that for yourself. And my 853 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: husband's from Miami. We're in Miami a bit. I'll be 854 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: using your pull plunge and you're sawnas please do once. 855 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 3: That thing is done, God willing cop of next year 856 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 3: will have a great guest room anytime you guys are here. 857 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: If he doesn't have a place, you're more than welcome 858 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: to stay. 859 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome and thank you, congrats. That's a huge accomplishment. 860 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: And I know when you get to check something off 861 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: of your own kind of wishless it's a big deal. 862 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: So that's amazing. 863 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 2: James. 864 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: You are somebody who's always very open and I know, 865 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: inspiring people and putting out topics and conversations that matter 866 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: for the next generation is very very big for you, 867 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: and you're always an open book. But in honor of 868 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: the name of the show, which is I've never said 869 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: this before, I'm wondering if there is something you've never said, 870 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: whether it's silly or deep, whatever it may be, there's. 871 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: Probably quite a few things I've never said. 872 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: And thought I thought about this a little bit, you know, 873 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 3: figuring that would be a question based on the title 874 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 3: of the show, and came up with about thirty two 875 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 3: inappropriate but funny things to say. 876 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: But since we've actually kind of gone. 877 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,959 Speaker 3: A deeper rat with things on this interview, which I prefer. 878 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 3: I don't like vapid, shallow conversations. And that's why the 879 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: press in general, as you well know, when you get 880 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 3: on a carpet, it's like, what's your favorite color? 881 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: I want to I want to slap somebody, like, really, 882 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: you can google it, don't fucking bother asking it. So 883 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: love the question, and I want to give you a 884 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 2: very real answer. 885 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 3: I think since a kid, and something I've acknowledged as 886 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 3: an adult, I've always been truly afraid of failure. You know, 887 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 3: I grew up in a great house, middle class family. 888 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 3: We had food on the table, but by no means 889 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 3: were we wealthy. And whatever money you know, my dad 890 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 3: grew with just my dad and my brother did have 891 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 3: really dwindled by the time that I became an adult. 892 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 3: And you know, when I was seventeen, just started making money. 893 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 3: I needed to start helping pay the bills as soon 894 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 3: as I started making money, and you know, it drove 895 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: a wedge between me and my family. All things at 896 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 3: the time, things that I've since resolved. You know, it's 897 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 3: usually by changing my mentality on that fear, but I'm 898 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 3: saying this to be very honest. 899 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 2: It was the fear of failure that. 900 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 3: Initially drove me to want to make money, to want 901 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 3: to be successful, And in many ways I used to 902 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 3: go out of my way develop these relationships, work hard, 903 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 3: not stop take jobs. 904 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 2: You know, in spite of the situation I was in. 905 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 3: Where we were constantly I just was constantly hearing stressing 906 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 3: about paying the bills, stressing about this, can't go on vacation, 907 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 3: can't you know? And I'm watching all my other friends. 908 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 3: You know, I grew up in San Diego, grew up 909 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 3: in Lajoya and extremely affluent part of the world, and 910 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 3: I'm watching what seems like the rest of the world 911 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 3: not have these problems, and everything's relative. And again, I know, 912 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 3: I grew up in a beautiful area and we had 913 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 3: a great upbringing, and I love. 914 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 2: My dad and he took care of my brother and I. 915 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 3: So in no ways am I complaining, But I am 916 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 3: telling you that's my perspective growing up where I kind 917 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 3: of just had this fear instilled in me. 918 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 2: But what I changed as. 919 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 3: I continue to surround myself with mentors, other people who 920 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 3: had actually done more success, been more successful financially or 921 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 3: in business or in other walks of life. 922 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 2: I realized that I can do the same thing. I 923 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 2: can work towards all my goals. 924 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 3: I can set myself up for financial freedom and freedom 925 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 3: which is the ability to me to green light tours 926 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 3: and movies and all the things in my career that 927 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 3: I'm getting closer to. You know, that is still part 928 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 3: of my journey, but I am a lot closer than 929 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 3: I was then. I can do all of this despite 930 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 3: that situation instead of inspite, and that fear of failure 931 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 3: then switched from you know what, failing is part of it. 932 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 2: I'm going I kind of want to. 933 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 3: I want to try so many things that it's inevitable 934 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 3: some of them an't going to work. I'm gonna probably 935 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 3: fail at most of them. Because that freed me up 936 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 3: to not be afraid to try things, if that makes sense, 937 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 3: and not be afraid to take risks. And nobody of 938 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 3: all the people I've spoken to with any matter of 939 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 3: success has said they took the easy path and they 940 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 3: took the path that wasn't risky. 941 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 2: None of them tell me that. All of them say 942 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 2: they take risks. It might be calculated to some degree. 943 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 3: They don't do stupid things necessarily, but anyways, that was 944 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 3: my mentality for so long. There was a chip on 945 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 3: my shoulder, there was a heavy heart in my chest 946 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 3: for so so long, and I'm just grateful that I 947 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 3: was able to flip it around a little bit where 948 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 3: maybe the fear is still there to some degree, but 949 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 3: it's a conversation that I'm constantly having and constantly looking 950 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 3: in word about. 951 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if that's scary, that probably means you should 952 00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: do it. 953 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 3: That probably means that there's something good you're going to 954 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 3: learn even if you fail, because the more you fail, 955 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 3: the more you learn. 956 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 2: You don't learn anything when you win. When you win something, 957 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 2: it's like I'm the best, I'm great, I've figured it out, 958 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 2: But you've really learned through failures. 959 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, man, it even makes me a little nervous 960 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 3: talking about this out loud because it's a very very 961 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 3: personal subject to me, but certainly something I've never spoken 962 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 3: about before. 963 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: So well, and I appreciate that you did because a 964 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: lot of people will look at you and never think 965 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: that's something you struggle with. And that's the beauty of 966 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: this show is it puts real life topics in front 967 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: of people, and it allows viewers to connect that with 968 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: some of their favorite artists and we all go through 969 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: the same shit we do, right, Like, just because you're 970 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: selling out the biggest places in the world doesn't mean 971 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: you don't feel these things. So I love that you 972 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: share that, and I appreciate you opening up and sharing 973 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: that James next tour you're on. All I know is 974 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: I got to be in one of your stage selfies 975 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: that you're taking from the audience. I see. Please, we're 976 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: social media snapping those pictures, and I want to be 977 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: in the audience in that picture. 978 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 3: So You're welcome to any show you want. Man, just 979 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 3: reach out for anything we got in the future. But 980 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 3: I would love to host you. 981 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: Oh thank you, dude. I'm so proud of you. Keep 982 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: killing it. Thank you for joining the show, and I 983 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: likewise like us following What's next for you. I've Never 984 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: Said This Before is hosted by me Tommy Diderio. This 985 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: podcast is produced and edited by Mike Coscarelli and executive 986 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: producer Andrew Piglisi at iHeartRadio I've Never Said This Before. 987 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: It's part of the Elvis Durant podcast network on iHeart Podcasts. 988 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and 989 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time, 990 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Dederio.