1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: The following is the production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sidelines. 4 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: He's hanging with the boys now, Your hosts. 5 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. 6 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: Monday, you're looking live at a I guess Christmas is 7 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: on its way Ford Center or Tostitos Championship Plaza outside 8 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: Ford Center, at the Star of Frisco, Texas, where winter 9 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: has finally tried to make its way to. 10 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: This for day too. 11 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, then it'll be eighty next. 12 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: Week, at the end of this week. 13 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: This yeah, it is fifty one degrees. It feels like 14 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: forty eight. The high is fifty four. The low tonight 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: is thirty eight. 16 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: He is shinning. This is Kurt one Pump Dames because 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: clearly to get you a fine in the back keepers 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: live and local is Chris Beam. I am Salt and 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: Pepper Poppy. Together we make Hanging with the Boys the 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: sports talk equivalent of Braille. People when we speaking, stop, 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: is he. 22 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: All right? Fellas? Weird? Week weekend? Weird, just tragic, tragic 23 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: news into last week. If you saw the open of 24 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: the show. They have a nice little graphic and tribute 25 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: on top of Ford Center the untimely passing of Marshawn 26 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: nieland which selfishly, I'm glad we did not have a 27 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: show last week, had a little bit of time to 28 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: process it, kind of figure out, you know, things Sometimes 29 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: things just don't make sense, you know, and this is 30 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: one of those. From all accounts and people that knew 31 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 2: him said he was just a really nice young man, happy, 32 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: go lucky, not someone that would you know, struggle with something, 33 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: which you know, you hear a lot of these stories 34 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: and a lot of these stories are kind of the 35 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: same where people just don't know what people are dealing with, 36 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: you know. And you know, we'll take the first segment 37 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: to talk about this and then hopefully move on to 38 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: talk about a little bit about football. But you know, 39 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: it's just sad. It's sad, and you know, I'm sure 40 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: there will be details that come out maybe you can 41 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: understand it a little bit more, but right now, it's 42 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: just and it's a weird week around here because and Jesse, 43 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: you speak to it from the player side. When something 44 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: like that happens, you lean on your teammates and you gravitate. 45 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: That's that's your support group, right, That's all you've known 46 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: your whole life is the team, the team, the team. 47 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: And then for it to happen in a week where 48 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: a lot of guys were out of town and they 49 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: were getting out of town on the bye week to 50 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: go do stuff and you're not together, and then I'm 51 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: sure they were calling each other and we heard they 52 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: were having video calls, and you know, to deal with it, 53 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: some people probably needed to talk to a professional counselor, 54 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: and if they'd have been in the building, we have 55 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: those on staff and they would have brought other people 56 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: in just talk a little bit about, you know, from 57 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: a player standpoint, how that can affect you, just from 58 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: the team aspect and kind of what went through your 59 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: head whenever you you heard. 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: The news sad, Right, it's obviously something that is just 61 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: heart wrenching and you never want to hear stories about this. 62 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 3: And of course this one hits close to the home 63 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: because of the way that we cover this football team 64 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: we're in this building, but for me it touches home 65 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: personally just because of someone who's dealt with mental health 66 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: situations before in my own personal life, and the thing 67 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: that you always try to help others understand coming from 68 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: the athlete's perspective. Is and I said this on my 69 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: other show last week, we had we we had to 70 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: do a show. Is that every week, people from far 71 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 3: and near, whether they're in the stadium or they're watching 72 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: it on TV, there are these mythical figures that you 73 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: get to see every single Sunday and on Mondays or Thursdays, 74 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: whenever these games are being played. And they are larger 75 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: than life, both in reputation, in persona and in size 76 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: and physical size. And people think, Yo, Marshawn Kneeland scored 77 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: a touchdown Monday night. Okay, top of the world. You 78 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: think you think that, You think, man, these guys are 79 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: living the dream. I'd give an arm in the leg 80 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: to say that I play for any professional team, but 81 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: those who are Dallas Cowboy fans. And you're playing, and 82 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: you have this privilege and this honor which it is 83 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: to play this beautiful game of football. But the thing 84 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: sometimes people forget is that when the helmet comes off 85 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: and the jersey's thrown into the bin, and you untie 86 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: the cleats and you remove the tape from your risk 87 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: and your fingers and from your ankles and so on 88 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: and so forth, that there's a human under that, there's 89 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: a human in that uniform who hurts just like you, 90 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: just like me. It's like the folks that watch them 91 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: on Sunday. 92 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: They're not a machine. 93 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: They're not a machine. And I will tell you, and 94 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: I'm glad that you made that reference because for a 95 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: long time I struggled with that until I had a breakdown. 96 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: Is because you've been programmed for all of the years, 97 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: over and over and over to believe that you are 98 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: a machine. Is that you don't show emotions. You can't cry, 99 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: you can't hurt, because that's not becoming of a man, 100 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: a young man, and it's not the persona that you 101 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: want as a football player. And so you keep these 102 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: feelings suppressed. And why a lot of people say, hey, 103 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: go talk to a teammate and go talk to so 104 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: and so, and go and talk to so and so. 105 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: There's just a level of almost vulnerability, some embarrassment, some 106 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: I don't want to come off as soft. So you 107 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: keep these things inside, these feelings, these thoughts, these things 108 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: that are going into your head, and you try to 109 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: suppress them for as long as they can, but they 110 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: don't go away. They only increase whenever you want to 111 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: call them the voices, the demons, the monsters that are 112 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: consistently and what ends up happening is there are some 113 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: days where there's enough around you to defeat them. Right 114 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: there's the day that you have the support from the 115 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: teammates and you feel loved and you feel like you're 116 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: on top of the world. Right, so it's like that 117 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: day you win, But they don't stop. They never stop. 118 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: They consistently come, and you just have to hope and 119 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: pray and work towards building a community for yourself that 120 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: allows you to win the battle every time it decides 121 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: to rear its ugly head. And the hope and the 122 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: prayer is is that those of us who deal with 123 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: those things get to a point that we don't stay 124 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: in the dark because at times you feel like I'm 125 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: safer here, or I don't want to burden them, or 126 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to show that 127 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 3: level of vulnerability, and so you stay in the dark, 128 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: and it grows and it grows, and the sad point 129 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: about it is when it catches you, when you don't 130 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: have enough to defeat it. That's when it's bad. And 131 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: so you know, from a player's perspective, is where is 132 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: the space for us to be human? Where is the 133 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: space for us to not be these mythical creatures? And 134 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: I stop using that term that you said. I am 135 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: a machine was a term that I referenced so many 136 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: times in my life, and I may have said it 137 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: here before where it originally formulated from. I was a 138 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: teenage boy and a coach said it to me because 139 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: I got hurt in the game, and he said, are 140 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: you a man or are you a machine? And I 141 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: lived that year in year out, and it became like 142 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: this mantra, not just a football badge of honor, but 143 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: a way of life, that I am this machine. I 144 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: don't hurt, I don't have emotions, I don't any of that. 145 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: Until I didn't have enough victory to defeat that. And 146 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: so I don't even let people because people would actually 147 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: sometimes reference to me, they said, oh, Jesse, you're doing this, 148 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: you're working here, you're doing this. Da da da da 149 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 3: da da da, You're a machine. And I'll stop them. 150 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: I go, I'm not. I'm human. I suffer the same 151 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: things that you. I hurt the same way that you. 152 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: I cry, if I get cut, I bleed, if I 153 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 3: break a bone, it's gonna hurt. 154 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: You know. 155 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: Me like to give that that reality to it. But 156 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: it's unfortunate that we as athletes, especially football, is that 157 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: there is this belief that we are stronger than others. 158 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: There's this belief that we are we are greater than 159 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: any of the things that can come against us, and 160 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: we're not. We're human just like the next man. 161 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: Let me ask you. And this is kind of personal, 162 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: so if you don't want to answer it, fine, just 163 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: tell me. But as someone that's you know, you've you've 164 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: you've made it known that you've struggled with things in 165 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: the past, and you always hear when something like this happens. 166 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: You always hear people say, hey, reach out to people, 167 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: tell them you love them, tell them you're there for it, 168 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: tell them. And like, I I don't know if I 169 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: believe that, I think you should take it a step further. 170 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: I think you should. Yeah, do that. It's important. But 171 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: I know very few men, if any, that if they're 172 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: struggling with something and you just reach out and said, hey, 173 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 2: I want you know, I'm thinking about you today, or hey, 174 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: how you doing? You good guys are gonna be like, yeah, bro, 175 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: I'm good, Like I think you should and you tell 176 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: me how you feel. As someone that's you know, kind 177 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: of been through some stuff, I think you should take 178 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: it a step further. Yes, that's important, but let them know. Hey, 179 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: I may not know you very well or we surface 180 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: level friendship, but if you're ever going through some stuff, 181 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: just I'm I'll listen here for you know, like, because 182 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: no guy is going to be like, yeah, you know what, 183 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: we're casual friends. Yeah, I'm yeah, you know what. I'm 184 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: struggling with this, but if you know, like, hey, just 185 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: letting you know I'm always here if you ever need 186 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: to talk to me, take that extra step, right. 187 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell you as someone who who deals 188 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: with this stuff, Like there have been days that I've 189 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: gone through my phone and I'm like, man, i need 190 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: someone to talk to. But then you go through it 191 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: and I'm just using you guys as references, right, But 192 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: I go through it and I go, Shannon, do I 193 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: want to call Shannon? Will the answer right? Because now 194 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: you start battling this thing of if I call you 195 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: and you don't answer right now, I'm like, oh, I 196 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: don't have Shannon and I go, well, I mean Kurt 197 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: dealing with his own situation, right, Can I call Kurt? Right? 198 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: And then it's like, do I call my brother? But 199 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: now if I call my brother, you know how overbord 200 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: is he going to go? You know what I'm saying. 201 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: And so these are the games that are playing in 202 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: your head about different situations and scenarios. A part of 203 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: it is the dark side wanting you to stay in 204 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: the dark right, And then you're so you're having this 205 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: back and forth battle and the best thing that one 206 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: is to identify it, but then also create this circle 207 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: of people who know you and go, something's not right, 208 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: Something's not even when you're smiling, right, even when you're 209 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And that that circle of 210 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: people kind of sometimes know and it could be a 211 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: difficult thing because it's I mean, I've come in here 212 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: some days and I'm smiling, I'm chimpy Championship and I'm happy, 213 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: and I'm and i leave here and I'm just like, boy, 214 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: it's a day, you know what I mean. And so 215 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: so that's the part about it all is that you 216 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: it's these mind games that you play with yourself, and 217 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: it's who do I call. When do I call? What 218 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: do I say when I call? Right? Because everybody's going 219 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: to react to this thing differently. If I call and 220 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: I say, Man, today is not one of those days. 221 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: Oh I'm thinking this, I'm thinking that. If they're like, oh, 222 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: now you're like, I don't want to deal with that. 223 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: I don't need to deal with that. I don't I 224 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: don't need to deal with that reaction. I don't need 225 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: to deal with that, you know what I'm saying. So 226 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: it's it's yes, you're right. You want to have that 227 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: circle of people that you can reach out to and 228 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: let them know and have the professional peoples in it. Again, 229 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: it's it's so difficult because everybody deals with life and 230 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: things differently. And the best way that I can describe 231 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: it is is just trying to build your community, trying 232 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: to build that group of people and try to, you know, 233 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: try to build your community and then try to just 234 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: understand what you're going through as best as you possibly 235 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: can and address it with professionals so that you can 236 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: have Like I'll give you an example. We make a 237 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: joke like people always say about, oh, Jesse, you're doing 238 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: eighteen different things. I have to I have to not 239 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: because I need the money financially, I have to the 240 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: more idle time that I have, the worse it can get. 241 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: What does well for me is and this may sound simple, Shannon, Kurt, 242 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: Chris and Nate. 243 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: They need me today, they need me today, somebody or something. 244 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: They need me. Yeah, today, they need me. Now do 245 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: you no show goes on what they're without me? Right? 246 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: But to me, you need me. If that's enough to 247 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: defeat whenever I'm battling today, then that's enough. So I 248 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: do these different things because staying on a schedule gives 249 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: me something to look forward to. Something as simple as 250 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: when I work out early in the morning. My trainer 251 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: is looking for me to be there at five thirty 252 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: in the morning. That may just be the one thing 253 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: that says not today or at DLLs Clarence and Jeff 254 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: and Ali, I got to be there. And if there's 255 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: a person in my life, all of those things. It's 256 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: not that I want to have fifty million jobs, but 257 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: a schedule and things that I have to look forward 258 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: to keeps me and puts me in a place where 259 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: my mind doesn't sit idly. Now, I also have to 260 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: understand and know which took time of when I need 261 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: a break, when I need to have my mind not 262 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: go work crazy and burn out, because when you burn out, 263 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: I become more vulnerable that stuff than attacks. So there's 264 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: a delicate balance of me seeing a therapist every week, right, 265 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: letting some of those thoughts out, not keeping them caged 266 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: then because before I did, but it's letting them out. 267 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: And sometimes there's therapy sessions when I go in and 268 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: there's a plan that we work through certain things together, 269 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: we unpack certain things and there's a plan. There's some 270 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 3: days where I come in there and I walk in 271 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: and he goes, what do you got? And I will 272 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: talk for the entire hour, but it's out. It's no 273 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: longer living and breathing inside my head to constantly swirl around, 274 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So for me that those 275 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: are type of things that work for me. I don't 276 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 3: know what others or how others operate, but I know 277 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: staying active, staying busy allows me a space of there's 278 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: something important that someone expects me to be at and 279 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: that wins the day. Sometimes that wins the day that 280 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 3: that's where I'm like, boy, Holly's helping hands coming up 281 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: this year? You got to be there for that. Could 282 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: it go on without me? 283 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: Sure? 284 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 3: But will it I don't know. So it's things that 285 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: you try to go and find. And I go there 286 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: are a bunch of kids and families that will be 287 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 3: looking forward for me being this year to give them 288 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 3: Christmas gifts. That helps me win a day. And some 289 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 3: days I don't need any of it. I'm just a 290 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 3: good day. I'm just good. And there's some days where 291 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, I gotta go and find out some things 292 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: that because it's not a good day, I'm in the dark, right, 293 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: And so that's why I do what I do, because 294 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: that is the pattern that when I set down with 295 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: my professional that works best for me, and it gives 296 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: me an opportunity to win the days that are trying 297 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: to defeat me, you know what I'm saying. And so 298 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: it's some people like I talk to my friend Jeff Right, 299 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: Jeff says, writing it down helps me whatever is in 300 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: my head, I gotta go write it down. That helps 301 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: me get it out, That helps me do what I 302 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: have to do, you know. And those are the safer 303 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: ways because you have some people that you know, they 304 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: take other options to try to defeat these demons and 305 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 3: it hurts them even more, you know what I'm saying. 306 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 3: So for me, that is from an athlete's perspective, that 307 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: keeps me in that space. But sometimes it's at Marshault's 308 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: twenty four years old. At twenty four, I didn't have that. 309 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 3: At twenty four, I thought I'm a machine. Yeah, I'm 310 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 3: a machine, That's what I thought. And these guys are 311 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 3: dealing with a lot of different things that we don't 312 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: even know. 313 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: Can you imagine if social media was the thing when 314 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: you were coming. 315 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like, like it is, it's crazy. 316 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's great that you one you identified, 317 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: like what keeps you your mind off of it, and 318 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: that's being busy and being a part of something that 319 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: you feel like, you know, you need to be there, 320 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: you need to show up. A lot of people struggle 321 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: with finding that thing. But I think it's great that 322 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: you've Oh this takes my mind off of it. So 323 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to do more of this. Yeah, you know, 324 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 2: finding a hobby or something that makes you you know, 325 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: takes your mind off all that stuff. And then oh, okay, 326 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to do more of that, and on bad days, 327 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna even do more of that, you know. I 328 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: think that's great that you were. And that's the thing, man, 329 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: It's like it just puts into perspective like the machine 330 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: that sports is, right, the professional it's a game, right 331 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: that That's yeah, that was Marshaw Kneeland Dallas. Cowboy is 332 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: also a kid, somebody's kid, you know, somebody's boyfriend, somebody's 333 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: best friend. I think that's that's the hard part is 334 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: like it, you know, and this happens every day across 335 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: the world to people you don't hear about people that 336 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: struggle with stuff that you know, that just can't overcome it, right, 337 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: But I think it's it doesn't happen very often in 338 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: professional sports, you know, and it doesn't really happen. You know, 339 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 2: it's happened. 340 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 4: You know. 341 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: There have been two tragedies since I've been associated with 342 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: the team, Jerry Brown Brow and then you know, and 343 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: then this, and it's like it just it's a very weird, strange. 344 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: It's just there's no words and it's a weird feeling 345 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: that you just you can't explain it. 346 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 5: You know. 347 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 3: You text me a couple of weeks ago, a couple 348 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: of weeks ago, and you just was like hey man, 349 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: you're good. He was like, you know, you weren't yourself today, remember, right, 350 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 3: And I said thank you. I said honestly, and I 351 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: told you I said honestly, and I'm being truthful with you. 352 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 3: I was just tired that day. I was just tired. 353 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: But I said thank you for noticing and having the 354 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 3: courage to reach out to me, because some would have 355 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: been like, huh okay, but you took it upon yourself 356 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 3: to go something would right now you found out that. Literally, 357 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: I was literally just tired. But it was enough that 358 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay. If it had happened, if something was 359 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: bothering me, that could have been a saving grace. That 360 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: could have been the moment from me doing something far 361 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: greater and more devastating. Because the phone rang and there 362 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: was somebody goes he cares in that moment, it could 363 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: have been enough. And so that's my if you ever 364 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: feel that about one of your friends or family or 365 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: coworkers who whatever it is, don't go. I'll do it later. 366 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 3: I'll see it. 367 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: So that could be, like I said earlier, taking the 368 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: extra extra yes step, but that first step could be 369 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: enough for somebody to be like, hey, yeah, something's wrong. 370 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 3: Something's wrong, and then it could have been. Now the 371 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: next step is hey, let's hey, let's call me. But hey, 372 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: I'm on the way. You know what I'm saying, Because 373 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: sometimes it's just knowing the fact that, Wow, someone actually 374 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 3: cares about Jesse, not Salt and Pepper Poppy, not mister 375 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: fourth and long, not the not the persona you cared 376 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 3: in that moment about Jesse. And that sometimes is what's 377 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 3: missed because I can tell you from playing in this 378 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: game and some of the things that Marshawn probably dealt 379 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: with is there's a lot of people that loved him 380 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 3: for what he brought. Even in his close circle. There's 381 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: a lot of people who were around him and for 382 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: him because of the status that he held as an 383 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: NFL player, as an NFL you know, cowboy, all of that, 384 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: and you don't get to really know who loves me. 385 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: And now I have to cipher who's here because of 386 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 3: what I do, and who's here because of me, And 387 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 3: that could be a very very clouded picture for a 388 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: young person, a very clouded picture for a young person 389 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 3: who's dealing with these mental issues or instabilities, and so 390 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: that that plays a part in your mind. I know 391 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: that we have to break, but yeah, I want to let' 392 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 3: let me finish this, so we break, so we can 393 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: kind of get back to some sort of normalcy. I 394 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: remember dealing when I was in New England and one 395 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: day Aaron Hernandez came into. We were doing we haven't 396 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: a Bible study yet in New England and he came 397 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 3: in one day and even Aaron Rodgers and instead of 398 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: screaping on Aaron Rodger, aeron Hernandez and we all know 399 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: how that tragically ended. But he said something in that 400 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: day that said why he spent all his time at 401 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: the facility, And I can tell you he loved football, 402 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 3: and he said, this is the only place where I 403 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 3: know people don't want anything from me. So I spend 404 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: all my time here because nobody's gonna ask me for 405 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: anything in here. No one's gonna try to trick me 406 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: into giving them anything. There's no fake love in here. 407 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 3: This is this is where I feel the safest. Was 408 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 3: in the locker room with others that you you know, 409 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: you hang with, and you're like, He's like, man, I 410 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: know my mom and them, they just they just like 411 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 3: to check. They just like what I bring, Like that's 412 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: what he's talking about like his family members like I 413 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 3: just they just like what Aaron Hernandez's bring, but they 414 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: don't really, you know. And he was telling us like 415 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: times that people were saying this about him, his family 416 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: was saying not about him. He was like, you know, 417 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 3: I know if my girl she with me because of whatever, 418 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: And that's just the way he felt. Whether that was 419 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: true or false on their part, it was his reality, 420 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It was his reality of 421 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: how the picture looked and how he took it. And 422 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: we know that there were other things that were involved 423 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: in that and how it all, like I said, how 424 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: it all ended. But I remember that very vividly, him 425 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: coming in there, crying, having a conversation about this is 426 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: why I'm always here. This is why I'm the first 427 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: guy in here, the last guy I leave. I sleep 428 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: in here, I'm in here all the time. This is 429 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: where I feel the safest. This is where I feel 430 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: like people actually don't want something from you. 431 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: And unless you've been around celebrities, people with personas, right, 432 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: pro athletes, you know, hell, even in college, like that's 433 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: your safe zone because like you said, those are people 434 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: that are like minded that they don't want anything from 435 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: there there for the same reason, you know, And when 436 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: you get outside of that, and if you've been around 437 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: it and you've lived it, you see the hangers on 438 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: the followers. Yeah, is this really my How did I 439 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: get to be friends with this person? Was it because 440 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: I have a uniform on and a star on my helmet? 441 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: And how? And then you know that could be a 442 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: bad spiral. And you know, I can see where the 443 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: only place you truly know anybody is your friend because 444 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: of who you are, is in the locker room, because 445 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: you're all. Everybody outside of that wants something from every 446 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: one of those guys, whether it's money, whether it's cloud chasing, 447 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: whether it's just to be a part of Oh yeah, 448 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 2: I know a Dallas cowboy player or whatever like that. 449 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: Over there, no one cares. 450 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: And then imagine someone who may have a level of insecurity, 451 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 3: what they will do to fit into a certain group. 452 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, there are so many 453 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: the guys that don these jerseys in any sport, and 454 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 3: everyone thinks it's so mighty and tough and just secure 455 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 3: in their spot. They aren't. There's so many insecurities that 456 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: are walking around and they do the touchdown dances and 457 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 3: they do all that kind of stuff and you're thinking, 458 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 3: oh my god, what a freaking athlete? A what a 459 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 3: what a what a god? What a figure? And again 460 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: he takes that uniform off, and the insecurities are right 461 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 3: there with. 462 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: And maybe even more so because at least I know, 463 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: like I, nothing's real if you're a pro athlete, what's real? 464 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 3: Right? 465 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: Like? What's who is real? Who's here because of me? 466 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: Or who? Even though you're my best friend? How did 467 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: I get to know you? I knew you through a 468 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: friend And the only reason why I know that friend 469 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: is because I play. So do you really like me? 470 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: Like? 471 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: That's God? It's a crazy world. 472 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah man, yeah man. But if you need help, please 473 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: reach out to someone. Talk to someone, get a professional, 474 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: and just find out what are your triggers? Find out 475 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 3: what are things that take you that way. Sometimes you 476 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: have to eliminate some of the people from your life 477 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: because those are the triggers. And then get a plan. 478 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: Get a plan, Get a plan and work your plan. 479 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: Work your plan, man, stay on task. And but you know, 480 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 3: sad news. 481 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: Very sad. All right, let's take a first break. When 482 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: we come back, Kurt, you want to talk to the 483 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: second second. You know, well, we get Curt and Ba 484 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: hanging with the boys. Will we ride back? 485 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 6: How about them Cowboys? 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Oh Cheane, thank you blockchain. 530 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: We gotta be quick. We gotta do another commercial. We 531 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 3: gotta go like five minutes here and then come back 532 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 3: for five. 533 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta take care of everybody. Yeah, all right. Halfway 534 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: through the NFL season. Where where Kurt start with you? 535 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: Just to get you involved here? 536 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 4: I don't want to be involved. 537 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: Come on, Kurt, where's your expectation as compared to reality 538 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: coming into this season? What what did you expect? And 539 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: how do you feel about where you are? 540 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 4: I think that I probably the Homer in me probably 541 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 4: had higher expectations and was realistic. Twenty twenty vision. You're 542 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 4: looking back at a new head coach, a new differensive coordinator, 543 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 4: roster that wasn't maybe as talent as we hoped. 544 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 6: And so. 545 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 4: Maybe this is where we're supposed to be. You know, 546 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 4: it's just not not the championship team I think we 547 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 4: had hoped going in when we all were full of hope. 548 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: We need to pull the maybe we do this tomorrow. 549 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: We pulled our our predictions and see where we were. 550 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say I was like six and 551 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 4: two something like that. 552 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it was ridiculous, a little, a little high. 553 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: I think, I think I feel pretty good about the 554 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: direction of where this thing is headed. Like I think 555 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: the hell you know, I mean for the first at 556 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, no, but what you know, 557 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: the the the code that the head coach. I think 558 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: he's called some really good games. I think he's called 559 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 2: some very questionable games. Growing pains as a head coach, 560 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: first time I did. 561 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: In the last two games, he hasn't been really good. 562 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: But I also believe the last two games he's had 563 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: to spend a little bit more time on the defensive size, 564 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 3: so maybe he's not giving off. So that was my like, 565 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, get back, get back, get back to doing, 566 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: get back over here full time, my boy. 567 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: Give him a little grace. I think, for the first 568 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: time as an organization, since I can, since I've been here, 569 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: you have ownership, not directly admitting we didn't evaluate our 570 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: players correctly, but going and doing something about it. Because 571 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: usually it's hey, we can fix this. We'll go grab 572 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: this gal off the street, We'll get this guy off 573 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: the couch. We'll get this guy. You went and made 574 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: some moves going Okay, here's our problem right up the middle. 575 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: This is our problem. Let's go fix it. So I 576 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: applaud them for doing that too little, too late this year. Yes, absolutely, 577 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: but for the first time, it feels like a change 578 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: in direction, which I don't think I've felt ever before, 579 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 2: because you know, eight and eight, eight and eight, eight 580 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: and eight, Oh, we're good. We just had this guy 581 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: was hurt and this happened, and this was I feel 582 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: like they maybe backed into this, but there's a fundamental 583 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: type change that they're hopefully it's going to have to 584 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: get through this this season, and then depending on what 585 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: they do with the draft, we'll see if they really 586 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: have that fundamental, you know, change in what they're doing. 587 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: I wish I thought the offensive line was going to 588 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: be a lot better than what it is. I think 589 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 2: that's been a little bit of a disappointment. 590 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 4: I don't worry about that. 591 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: I don't think you could get much better play out 592 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: of the quarterback. He's had a couple off games, but 593 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 2: that is directly tied of the offensive line. The receivers 594 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: are great, the run game is great, the defense just 595 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you can't really say anything about the defense. 596 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: It's been a disaster. Yeah, but I think this is 597 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 2: about where I thought they would be, And if they 598 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: had any semblance of the defense, I think this would 599 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: be a completely different looking season and you would be 600 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 2: a lot way better than you are now. But I'm 601 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 2: okay defense, kick that to the side. I'm okay with. 602 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 3: What everybody else does. 603 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. But what about you, Jesse? Where are 604 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: they at right now kind of where you thought they would. 605 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 3: Be as a resident hater on this show. 606 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 2: Yes, nothing less. 607 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 3: I think when we go back and look at the 608 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 3: grand total, I think I had them winning maybe one 609 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: more game than what Vegas said they were going to win. 610 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: I did not think coming into the year that they 611 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: were Super Bowl contenders. I did not think they were 612 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 3: going to be this bad, right, Like they're historically bad 613 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 3: on the defense, And of course now you have the 614 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 3: offense which feels like it's doing some overcompings for it 615 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 3: that's now messing there flowing rhythm up. But as this 616 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 3: thing began to unfold, because like the way I looked 617 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 3: at it was, I saw all the guys that had left, 618 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 3: whether that was going to other teams being released, so 619 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 3: on and so forth, and I was like, man, they're 620 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 3: not replacing these guys, you know. I'm like a lot 621 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 3: of talent is going out the door. Yeah, Like you 622 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,959 Speaker 3: start dating all the way back. Like you talk about 623 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 3: those core pieces you think you couldn't lose Jlu right 624 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 3: now right Orren's armstrong, you think you use take Lawrence 625 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 3: right about now? See, And while I get while they're here, 626 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 3: you're looking for them to be way up here all 627 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 3: the time. 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Sometimes you just think, oh, what 696 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 3: was put the next guy in there? And the next 697 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 3: guy may not have that dog that you need. You 698 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 3: can use a dog right now. You can use a 699 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis dog. You can lose. You can use a 700 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 3: tank Lawrence right now. 701 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: Right. 702 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 3: And so the thing that you looked at from the 703 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 3: Joneses perspective, in the front office perspective was, you know, 704 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 3: really don't go get bottom of the barrel like Quinn Williams. 705 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 3: Imagine having you didn't need to have tank, But imagine 706 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 3: if you still had Jay Lou and you had Quinn 707 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 3: and you had Micah. You have attitude, you have somebody 708 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 3: who's legit in the middle and then you have this 709 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 3: ferocious pass rusher. Now you can start adding a Logan 710 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 3: Wilson right now, that's when you that's when when you 711 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 3: have the right amount of players in there. Now I 712 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 3: can start piecing other things together. But you can't build 713 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 3: a defense or an offense with a bunch of pieces. 714 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 3: There needs to be some standouts. 715 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 4: It seems like there's pieces a lot of them. Were 716 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 4: they're really counting on guys coming back from injury, on 717 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 4: young guys stepping up. 718 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot of hope, right, Like, that's a 719 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 3: lot of hope. And and and as the great Marvin 720 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 3: Lewis told me, like, potential gets you fired. Like so 721 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 3: you can tell me about the potential all day long 722 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 3: that that doesn't If that potential doesn't work out, I 723 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 3: get fired. I like to have sure things, you know 724 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 3: what I mean. And you don't win in this league 725 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 3: without talented players. I'm sorry, you just don't. Like you 726 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 3: go around and look around the league, like, look who's winning, 727 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Kansas City they got a 728 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 3: damn they got three Hall of famers on their team, 729 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, The Hall of Fame coach 730 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 3: and a probably Hall of Fame defensive coordinator. You just 731 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 3: don't you need talented players. The Philadelphia Eagles, they won 732 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl last year, they got a couple of 733 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 3: guys that will probably I mean at that time they 734 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 3: had Kelsey and they had sae Quon's probably going to 735 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 3: go to Hall of Fame, and you know, they have 736 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 3: high level players all across the board. You just don't 737 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 3: win in this league without it. You can contend you 738 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 3: could be in games, but to truly have to win 739 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,959 Speaker 3: it because the skill level is just far too great. 740 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 3: And then the good teams also are accompanied with these 741 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: excellent coaches. So when you have to go up and 742 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 3: you have to face the Detroits, and you got to 743 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 3: face the Niners, and you got to face the Green Bays, 744 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 3: and you got to face the Rams, you've run into 745 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 3: an issue because one you don't have enough Jimmy's and 746 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 3: Joe's and then two you don't have enough x's and o's. 747 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 3: So you you, you, you shot the hell all the 748 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 3: way around, all the way around the park, you know 749 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 3: what I mean. So I mean, coming into this year, 750 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 3: I didn't think and this is before micaeh was even 751 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 3: traded away. I was like, Okay, they'll compete. But I'm like, yeah, 752 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, they're not. I didn't see front Runner. I 753 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 3: didn't see you know, winning the division. I definitely didn't 754 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 3: see super Bowl written on this team. And I mean, 755 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 3: and it showed you just like to trust and believe 756 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 3: that it's always going to be. Like even now, like 757 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 3: people are hoping and praying that we had Savone Rebel's 758 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 3: dad was on my other show. He was in the chat. 759 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 3: He's in the chat like, yeah, my son's getting to 760 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 3: pick on Tuesday, Monday night. I'm like, whoa dad, Like, 761 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 3: you know, I love it. I love it, Pops, I 762 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 3: love it. Absolutely love the energy that you're giving your son. 763 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 3: But now if he doesn't, don't get mad at me 764 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 3: when I called him out for it, because you set 765 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 3: him up for this, you know what I'm saying. And 766 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 3: then a lot of people are like, oh, we get 767 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 3: over shown back, And I'm just like, man, I had 768 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 3: to play the football in a long time. I want 769 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 3: him to succeed, but we but to put that now 770 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 3: you're putting so much pressure on them. Right, So now 771 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 3: think about how thisbi commisastion. It goes back to the 772 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 3: mental health of this whole thing. We already know that 773 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 3: the Marvin Overshowing is a guy who here's everything. He 774 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 3: hears it, so does he accept the pressure of of it. 775 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 3: What happens when it if it doesn't go right? Now, 776 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,879 Speaker 3: we can say what happens if it goes right? Great? 777 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,240 Speaker 3: What if it doesn't? 778 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 2: That's what Nat always talks about, right, Give these guys 779 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 2: a chance. 780 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, like what if of them? 781 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 6: What if? 782 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 3: What if in the first game he plays twist an ankle? 783 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not asking, I'm not wishing that. I'm 784 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 3: just saying, there is a lot of you there's been 785 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 3: a lot of pressure that's been put on the shoulders 786 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 3: of these guys coming back, you know what I'm saying, 787 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 3: to save this season. So I don't know, man, it's 788 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be interesting. And the Cowboys right now 789 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 3: they have to kind of go like seven and one 790 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 3: in the last eight games to a chance to have 791 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 3: a chance like that, you know, and you you can't confidently, 792 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 3: even with the pickups that we had with Logan and Quinny, 793 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 3: you can't confidently just go into the game now said 794 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 3: we're gonna beat the Raiders. How many times we said 795 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 3: that this year? And all of a sudden now. Yeah, 796 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 3: like teams have been goot Juice leading up to US 797 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 3: All Stars playing us back to Gooc's juice after us, right, Like, 798 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,760 Speaker 3: so I can't confidently say, oh, there's a no brainer. 799 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 3: There's a no brainer that you know, as bad as 800 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 3: Gino's meant to play this year, we're gonna smoke them, Okay, 801 00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 3: like we said that any times before, and we're like, 802 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 3: you know, there's Russell Wilson nuts out there. There's there's 803 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,439 Speaker 3: a Kobe Brssett that's out there. There's a little Tink 804 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 3: Tink and Carol Lonta that's out there, like there's a 805 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 3: lot of you, Like I just you just can't. You 806 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 3: can't confidently just say oh, we're gonna win. And then 807 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 3: you definitely can't completely say after Vegas, Troit, Kansas City, 808 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 3: you know, uh, Philadelphia. 809 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, fellas, good stuff. Jess, thanks for 810 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 2: sharing man, really good stuff. Kurt. Good seeing to Nate. 811 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 2: We will see you tomorrow. Chris, thanks for keeping us 812 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 2: on the air. Josh, thanks for keeping him company. We'll 813 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 2: be back tomorrow, same time, same place. Boy, Josh handing 814 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 2: back here. Come on, okay, never mind, hang with the boys. 815 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and 816 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,959 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club