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Speaker 1: From the RAMS Studio connected by AT and T. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Between the Horns. I'm Miles Simmons. I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: DeMarco far It is March twenty fourth. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about some RAMS free agency. We're gonna talk about some

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Speaker 1: other stuff. It's gonna be awesome. We just did a

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Speaker 1: live show, yeah Facebook, that was kind of fun. I

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Speaker 1: got one question for you. Okay, what does that spell

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Speaker 1: right there that says AT and T? Oh? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: just to make sure, all right, yeah, I see it

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Speaker 1: this time. I got it than this time. That's pretty bad. Ahead,

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Speaker 1: all right, So no, let's let's start with some of

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Speaker 1: these new free agency editions that they've at the RAMS

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Speaker 1: have added since our last conversation. We can start with

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Speaker 1: Connor Barwin. Yeah, big fan, love watching him play. It'll

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Speaker 1: be nice to have him on this side, actually for you,

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Speaker 1: then against you. But he can rush the passer, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you turn on the film, that's the

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Speaker 1: first thing that jumps off the page. He knows what

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Speaker 1: he's doing getting to the passer. And there is a

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Speaker 1: need for him a guy that can be equally as

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Speaker 1: good going towards a quarterback and also going away from

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Speaker 1: the quarterback into three four, so you'd figure he's going

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Speaker 1: to be the starter as soon as they signed him.

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Speaker 1: So I guess it's official now the Rams are no

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Speaker 1: longer a four three football team. Yeah. When you bring

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Speaker 1: in guys like karnor Barrowe, you know what you are.

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Speaker 1: You are four or three four football team. So good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you pair that with Robert Quinn on the

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Speaker 1: other side and Aaron don Lin the middle, you still

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Speaker 1: got three guys that can get after the quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: that's all to the good. Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 1: And the nice thing about Barrowe, I think is that

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Speaker 1: he has some versatility to him. You know, he's played

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Speaker 1: in the three four, he's played in a four to three,

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Speaker 1: and that The interesting thing I thought was when he

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Speaker 1: was talking about his conference call with some LA media guys,

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Speaker 1: he was saying that, you know, his bigger transition last

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Speaker 1: year playing in the four three for Philadelphia when they

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Speaker 1: had been playing in the three four and er Chip

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Speaker 1: Kelly was more about going to the opposite side of

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Speaker 1: where he'd been, you know, so he was rushing on

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Speaker 1: the right side instead of being on the left side

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Speaker 1: of the defense as he normally had been for most

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Speaker 1: of his career. So now that he's with Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: he's going to be going back to the left side,

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Speaker 1: the right side of the offense, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: be attacking right tackles as opposed to where he was

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Speaker 1: last year. I like it when they put you opposite

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Speaker 1: your best side and you still show up on film.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Last year. Yeah, I mean, look there you're

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Speaker 1: on the outside of a defense. So the rules are

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Speaker 1: pretty much the same containment wise. Now they may change

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Speaker 1: with run two when you're facing the ball coming towards you,

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Speaker 1: how you must take on these blocks, but it's all

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Speaker 1: pretty much the same. Either your hands down or you're up.

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Speaker 1: But just having that guy with a high football IQ

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Speaker 1: on the field always can help. Well. The other thing

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Speaker 1: is now he's being reunited with Wade Phillips, and I think,

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Speaker 1: oh god, yeah, yeah, you know anytime that you know

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Speaker 1: you can have Wade Phillips bringing a guy that he

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Speaker 1: first time Connor Barwin reached double digit sex was under

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Speaker 1: Wade Phillips when he had eleven and a half in

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Speaker 1: two and eleven. So like this is this is I

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Speaker 1: think a good thing for them to be reunited, and

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Speaker 1: it's good for the rest of the guys that are

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Speaker 1: getting used to Wade Phillips. Yes, when you start installing

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Speaker 1: stuff in OTA's mini camps and then training camp, he

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Speaker 1: can kind of say, hey, look, this is why we're

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Speaker 1: doing this, or we're running this now just to practice,

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Speaker 1: but we never use this in the regular scenes. You know,

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Speaker 1: it can help the guys understand Wade Phillips a little

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Speaker 1: bit better. So, like I said, it's all to the good.

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Speaker 1: Signing that guy was a great It was a great move,

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Speaker 1: a great pick up for the right, and he's won

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Speaker 1: one of the better just human beings in the league.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple of good interview, isn't it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: great interview and that's good for me obviously. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there have been a couple of profiles about you, I know,

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Speaker 1: But like the other thing that he's gotten brought up

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Speaker 1: right on him. If you guys not seen that, definitely

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Speaker 1: go check that out. Took me three as nearly so Long.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying no, but yeah, I think it's those

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Speaker 1: go from good to great, from from talented to professional.

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Speaker 1: So that's I think a better way to Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: one of the guys that can actually do that on

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Speaker 1: this roster. Yeah. And I think the interesting thing that

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Speaker 1: I mean, Chris Long, I was sort of thinking about

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Speaker 1: because honestly, that's kind of the role he fills. High motor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good guy, what high motor? They called me high motors?

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Speaker 1: So stop that, stop that. Okay, I know, stop we

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Speaker 1: talk about high motor players. No, that would be heady

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Speaker 1: free safety. Oh yeah yeah, or he's got stuff you

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Speaker 1: can't deptive speed. Yes, okay, now we're talking code, all right, fine,

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Speaker 1: But the high motor thing I think I think is true.

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Speaker 1: I mean he even said he didn't say hi motive,

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Speaker 1: but he was talking about, you know, I'm one of them.

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Speaker 1: I will never say it again, Okay, relentless. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, he's he's one less. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the things he talked about and said that he notices

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Speaker 1: are already in place, absolutely, so that I think he's

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Speaker 1: going to fit right in with those. So you've got

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Speaker 1: an artist on this side. Well, I don't know where

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn's going to be, but you know, in an

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Speaker 1: obvious passing down, I bet he's going to be at

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Speaker 1: you've got a relentless motor on the left. Tell me

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Speaker 1: where you go as a quarterback. Well, especially when you

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Speaker 1: got done will come, That's what I was going to say.

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Speaker 1: Usually you would be able to maybe stop up in

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Speaker 1: that because ninety nine is going to come and get you.

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Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, it's a three to four,

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Speaker 1: because you can have guys come from different places on

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Speaker 1: each and every down. Right, you know you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: those three, But where is the fourth rusher coming from?

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Speaker 1: You don't know until the ball snaps. Yeah, exactly right,

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Speaker 1: So mistake and you're quarterbacks hit exactly. I like that

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Speaker 1: element to the three four. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say this because it sounds like I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be critical of Wade Phillips, like I don't they're okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll put it like this. You're looking at me like

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Speaker 1: I'm crazy. I'm dying to know what you're about to say.

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Speaker 1: It's really not that important. But there are so many

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Speaker 1: ways to skin the cat. You know, in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League four three can be successful, three four can

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Speaker 1: be successful. Yeah, okay, so it's not the xs and

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Speaker 1: the os, it's the Johnny's in the joke, Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: the player. Can you get your personnel and your players

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Speaker 1: to do what they need to do? Can you implement

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Speaker 1: your system without screwing up the players you have? H Well,

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Speaker 1: it's Wade Phillips, I'm sure he can. Yes, I don't

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Speaker 1: have any doubt about that. So that's one of the

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Speaker 1: he was saying, Okay, when they're playing nickel downs, he

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Speaker 1: percent of the time now teams are a nickel almost

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Speaker 1: all right, when you're in nickel downs, you're going to

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Speaker 1: see Connor Barwin up on the line of scrimmage, maybe

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Speaker 1: Brockers and Donald and you still sort of have this

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Speaker 1: look normal when they're throwing the foot. Yes, but in

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Speaker 1: that scenario, I guess you're you're you're arguing that the

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Speaker 1: the a couple of just interesting elements. Oh yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: name me one interior defensive lineman in Denver. There was

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Speaker 1: guys von Miller. Pretty easy, you know how it goes? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Donald is that good. I think so too. So somebody

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Speaker 1: is Lance Dunbar, Yeah, running back. He's been in Dallas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good for you. Well, because I think he's just this

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Speaker 1: looking at some of the tape, especially from twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: because that's when you know, DeMarco Murray had gone to

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Speaker 1: Randall and there Jarrey McFadden, but Lance Dunbar was their

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo was throwing quick screens to the outside, you know.

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Speaker 1: well going down the field on nine routes. He can

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Speaker 1: have those mismatches between running back and linebacker. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: a weapon, not a shield. Yeah. I'm gonna miss Benny Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to Benny. He's in Chicago now. I think that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: But I used to call him Miracle Benny, which means

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Speaker 1: a miracle. Right. Well, this is a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: When Dunbar comes into the game. They're going to use him.

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Speaker 1: He's not just spelling. Yeah, They're going to use him

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Speaker 1: just saying there's a price out there for everybody, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and a reporter. You know, when people are asking questions

423
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: sometimes they do get frustrated, but like it allows this

424
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 1: personal connection they Well, there was a player here that

425
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 1: he used to be here and he was very active

426
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: on Twitter and he would tweak people a lot, and

427
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: they would call him knucklehead. They would call him stupid

428
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about right, And I would try to tell

429
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: them he's actually playing you. He's having fun watching you

430
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: go completely bonkers on what he just put on Twitter. Yeah,

431
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 1: so every time you do that, you're helping him. And

432
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: it never worked. It just kept going. Yeah, that's the

433
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 1: way people are. I don't know. Something else interesting that

434
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 1: and this is sort of a sidebar, but did you.

435
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: There was a story on the Monday Morning Quarterback following

436
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter around like the first day of free agency.

437
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 1: Did you happen to see this? No? But it was.

438
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean it was a fascinating look at like Adam

439
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: Schefter's life. He literally has two phones so he can

440
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 1: be on the phone with somebody and tweet at the

441
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: same time. Like that's I don't know that I would

442
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: ever want to be at that level like that. That's

443
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: a little intense for me. And it said this story said,

444
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 1: like ESPN now hires a driver for him because they

445
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: don't want him to be texting and driving at the

446
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: same time. So thanks ESPN for being that concerned about

447
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 1: the rest of us. So he's not human anymore, kind

448
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: of not that's that's that's cool though it is. Yeah,

449
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: I respect that because I love grinders. I love coaches

450
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: that think nothing else but about this game. Yeah. So

451
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: if you can make that department, that area you're own

452
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: to where all you're doing is that, you have to

453
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: respect that. Yeah. But the fascinating part of this that

454
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: sort of relates to players in social media. There was

455
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 1: a point in the r A Cold that said al

456
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: Shan Jeffrey now wide receiver for the Philadelphia Eagles, consulted

457
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: with Adam Schefter on like his free agency deal and

458
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, like these numb I'm getting these numbers.

459
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: You know, what are some of the things that you

460
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: think And it was reported that Schefter told him, Hey man,

461
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: it's all about the guarantee. It's all about the guarantee,

462
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: and then he sort of left him with a like

463
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,239
Speaker 1: when you know where you're gonna sign with, tell me

464
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: bro like and then he was like, oh whatever. So

465
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: it eventually happened that he told Josie and Anderson and

466
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: so all this is reported whatever, and Schefters like, oh,

467
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad at least it went to a teammate. But

468
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: so then al Sean Jeffrey yesterday tweets out like, man,

469
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: I didn't ask any reporter about anything before I side

470
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: with my team, So ma I was like, okay, wow,

471
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, okay, now this isn't this is I think?

472
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: Can you actually do this? If you're Adam Schefter? What

473
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: give contract advice? I don't know? Oh okay is that legal?

474
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: Can you do that? I don't know? And why would

475
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: a player go to a reporter for contract sometimes that

476
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: I mean and sometimes the player may know the reporter

477
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: may know something that then fire your agent. If you

478
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: got to go to a reporter for contract advice, then

479
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: where are you paying this? I don't know. I don't know.

480
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't have an agent. I'm just telling you. I'm

481
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: just telling you what I read. What a mess it is.

482
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: So they sort of just sound like a mess. But

483
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: the gay Jason, Pierre Paul and x rays and now this, Yeah,

484
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. Well, I think that it's this conduit

485
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: right to the fans now where somebody, you know, you

486
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: see something about something and then you can say, hey,

487
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: I like, I don't I didn't do that. Yeah, whether

488
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: it's true or not, you know, I'd love for you

489
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: and I I mean, maybe we can do it with

490
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: with artist Twyman here. Talk to PR guys and see

491
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: how they feel about social media. You don't like it?

492
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: I bet, I bet artists doesn't like it very much.

493
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Speaker 1: Righting all had hair, that's me artist still has hair,

494
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: of course, Travis now shout out to the RAMSPR staff.

495
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you guys. So let's talk a couple

496
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: more things that I would kind of want to bring

497
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: out before going to some things that don't necessarily have

498
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: to do with football, But I still want to ask

499
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: you about the partners. We mentioned Benny Cunningham going to Bennicago. Yeah,

500
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: and you know, JB and I talked about this a

501
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago. Just the backup running back position is

502
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: something that Benny Cunningham filled for the last few years

503
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: and nobody really had to worry about. So now I

504
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: think we know, Okay, Lance Dunbar is going to be

505
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: one of these guys, but I think you know you're

506
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: still going to have something in the mix for a

507
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown and Aaron Green whoever else the Rams may

508
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: bring in. Yeah, but Benny Hunningham was a significant part

509
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: of this team. Professional a leader, yea. You didn't see

510
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: it outside of the locker room or off the field,

511
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: but on the field, on the sideline, A leader, A

512
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: guy that players look to for advice. So and when

513
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: he got the ball, whenever it was, he made something happen,

514
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: either returns or as a backup tailback. So that's going

515
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: to be missed. Um. But let me talk about Malcolm

516
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Brown for a hot minute. And I used to like

517
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: have fun and I said, well, call me when he

518
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: makes a guy miss, right, just just having fun. Just

519
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: call me when he makes a guy miss, right, I

520
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: mean he ran over people. But then you watch and

521
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: you see some real genius in the way he runs

522
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: the football because it's very efficient, not quick, not fast,

523
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: but it's all of a sudden he's up the field. Yeah.

524
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: I like that. He doesn't lose yards that can win

525
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: for you. So yeah, I mean as a spot starter

526
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: or as a backup tailback, I think he's got everything

527
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: that you need, especially when you add in a Dunbar

528
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: who's a pass catcher. Yeah. All you have to do

529
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: is do what you do best, run off tackle and

530
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: run hell bent for leather and make something happen. So

531
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: I think that he could fit that backup tailback role.

532
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean in space absolutely. Yeah. And so the other

533
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: thing kick returner. We brought this up once before. I

534
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: think Farrell Cooper probably slots in somebody that can return

535
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: kicks because he's done in the past. He's excelled, you

536
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: know usually. And this is my old school mentality coming through.

537
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: I like bigger kickoff return men. Yeah, because I've been

538
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: on kickoff team and I've been on kick return team.

539
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: Those are high speed collisions. Yeah, they're not for little guys.

540
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: And it's not about player safety, is it's more about

541
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: the ball could come out? Yeah, and if you turn

542
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: it over on kick return. True. I mean, unless you've

543
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: got an all pro quarterback, you might as well say

544
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: the games over there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, don't you

545
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: remember Arizona fifteen? Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Mark Baron

546
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: popped the football out, you know, I don't know. Thirty

547
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: seconds later, Rams are up seven zero, and it changes everything.

548
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: It changes game plan. So I like bigger guys. But

549
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: with the way the league is going, and you don't

550
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: see a lot of returns anyway, why not put a

551
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: speed guy back there. Why not give him a shot

552
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: Most of the time. He's gonna be down in it anyway,

553
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: so if he's gonna bring it out, why not have

554
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: some somebody back there that has dynamic, game breaking speed.

555
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: Did you like being on kickoff or kickoff man? Okay,

556
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: my first. I'd never been on special teams ever, except

557
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: for old block ever because in high school I went

558
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: both ways offense defense, so I had to rest on

559
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: special teams plays. And you're good in college, you're a specialist,

560
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: and you're not fast enough to be on special teams,

561
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: and you've got one hundred guys so they can fill

562
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: every special team's role. So my first kickoff ever was

563
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: in the pros versus the New England Patriots here in

564
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, right, So, I swear you could hear my

565
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: heart beating in the stands. I was so nervous. And

566
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm R one, which means I'm

567
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: right next to the kicker, and I'm looking at the

568
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: kicker and he starts his approach and I'm like mentally

569
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: telling him, please, don't hold on a second, I need

570
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: another minute. Do you have to approach the freaking ball

571
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: so fast? Right? And before you know it, you're running

572
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: down And I'm the biggest guy out there, so I'm

573
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: behind everybody, not that far behind, but I'm behind. And

574
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I see the returner and he fields it and he

575
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: starts to come towards me, and I'm thinking, oh, crap,

576
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: you know I gotta make a play here, right, and

577
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: right when you start to get into that danger zone

578
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: where you know it's gonna be a collision, right, the

579
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: two outside guys crashed in on him, and a guy

580
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: named Toby Right. We drafted him out of Nebraska hard

581
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: hit and safety. If you think TJ. McDonald can hit,

582
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: I should show you tape on Toby Right. Toby Right

583
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: crashes in from my right and he flashed through the

584
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: right side of my helmet. I mean, just like a blur,

585
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: and he hit the guy right under the chin with

586
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: his helmet and broke his jaw. No, right in front

587
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: of me, Oh my goodness, right in front of me. Right,

588
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: So I kind of fell on the pile. Right, I'm

589
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: high five and high five and I'm like, yeah, good hit,

590
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to my head, I gotta get the

591
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: hell off kickoff team. I get that hell off kickoff team.

592
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: I gotta get two sacks today. I'm not doing this.

593
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: Hell no, I'm not making a living here. No, no, no.

594
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: And then I had to do kick return obviously, and

595
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: that was worse really because I'm a big dude. So

596
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm in the wedge and this is when we really

597
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: had wedge blocking. So I'm backing up twenty five yards

598
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: and turning around and trying to catch speed and bullets,

599
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: and all they're doing is looking to take my head off.

600
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, hell no, yeah, i gotta get the

601
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: hell off this team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was cool,

602
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: it was fun, and I see the importance of it.

603
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: But man, I mean special teams isn't for the faint

604
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: of heart. Brother, Yeah, no, no, no, no, no no, I

605
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: should have told my story before you told yours, because

606
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: yours is way more interesting. But like when I was

607
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: in high school, they had me at I don't know,

608
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: the front of kick return all the way on the left, right.

609
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: So this is what I think our second game my

610
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: sophomore year, and they're the other teams trying to do

611
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: an on side kick. Yeah, I think towards the end

612
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: of the half, right. But it's like me want to

613
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: surprise on site that they target you. Yes they did.

614
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: There's film of this somewhere because the game was on

615
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: like local access television and so like they always say,

616
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: make sure the ball goes over your head before you

617
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: start dropping, right, So yes, So I'm I am a

618
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: huge rule follower. Okay, you know me, You know I

619
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: got you a rule follower. So I followed my rules.

620
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: The ball starts coming to me, I'm thinking, oh no,

621
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: it's a word much worse than that. Yeah, But I

622
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: yielded the ball somehow, and I went back in the

623
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: womb just as coach Walden told me to do and

624
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: we kept the possession. Nice. I know, okay, I don't

625
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: want to break your heart right now, but that's okay.

626
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: What well, you know how they pick who to kick

627
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: it too? Oh yeah, the weakest looking. Ye oh no,

628
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's fine. They call it hyper percentage. She

629
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: was laughing. Now they call it hyppercentage. But you got it, Yeah,

630
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: you got it. I got one more teams when they

631
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: put me on punt team right now. We had a

632
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: special team's coach named Wayne Severe who'd won two Super

633
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Bowls with the Redskins, and he would start every meeting

634
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: with with these two rings on his finger, hold them

635
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: up and say, men, if you want a set of these,

636
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: you gotta have a set. And he'd start every day

637
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: with it. Right. So he puts me on punt team

638
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: and we're playing the Raiders and it's just funny. They

639
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: had a guy out there and I can't remember his name.

640
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: His name was, oh goodness, I can't remember. He was

641
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl special teams player, blocked a lot of punts.

642
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: So we had a plan for him. If he's on

643
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: your side, we're going to protect this way, right. Yeah.

644
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: So I'm a rules guy. There's that guy. So he

645
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: told me slide out right. Well, there was a guy

646
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: lined up right in the A gap. So I'm thinking,

647
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: as a football player, if I slide out here to

648
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: protect this guy, If if I slide out here to

649
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: get this guy, who's gonna block the A gap guy? Well,

650
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: not my problem. I'm gonna do what the coach told

651
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: me to do. So I slide out. Sure enough, I

652
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: hear the old double thunt block punt right, So I

653
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: spent around tackle the guy. So when I get him

654
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: on the ground, guess who it is? Who is it? You'll,

655
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to guess. You should just

656
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: tell me Mike Jones. Who? Mike Jones? Who? The same

657
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: guy that made the tackle in the Super Bowl that

658
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: saved it, That guy right right. We share that story

659
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, he almost got me fired, and

660
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: I gave you a job. Always take the most dangerous

661
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: guy inside. DeMarco. Coach told me when I see this

662
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: guy fan out, So I did right. Okay. Now, if

663
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: I stay home to block Mike Jones and this guy

664
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: leaks inside and blocks of blocks the punt, guess who's

665
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: going home? Me? Yeah? I did what you told me

666
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: to do. All right. I guess that's fine. Tweak your coaching,

667
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: don't tweak me. All right. We got um a couple

668
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: more people. I want to mention rams free agents. Brian Quick.

669
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: You mentioned Washington. He's actually going to Washington, so it's

670
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, they signed him. They did sign Okay, yes,

671
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: they announced that this morning. Actually, well, no disrespect. I

672
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: hope this hasn't come off the wrong way. But I

673
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: hope they get more out of him me too, Yeah,

674
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: I think it does. Yeah. I mean he's a player.

675
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: You know, you always say this, Um, he's like, you know,

676
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: the gto, right, the gto. It's been in the garage.

677
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: You know that it's got the ability and the performance,

678
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: but it just, for whatever reason, it just hasn't been

679
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: quite right. It's taken up all the space in your garage,

680
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: and everyone in your family saying get rid of it.

681
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: But you're saying it's a gto. Man. Yeah, I can't. Well,

682
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: look when you talk about height, weight, speed, catch radius,

683
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: jumping ability, he just got it test him. Yeah, oh

684
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: my god. Now he needs to have that translate to

685
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: the field. He does. I hope that Washington gets more

686
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: out of him. Yeah. And also Greg Zerline, he's going

687
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: to be sticking around. He is assigned a three year deal.

688
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Had a much better season in twenty sixteen than he

689
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: did in twenty fifteen. You know, didn't miss a field

690
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: goal under forty yards one of the I mean, that's excellent.

691
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: He didn't. Also, he did not miss any extra points,

692
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: and that's been an issue around the league. So you know,

693
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: for him to thirty three yard field goal, yeah, exactly.

694
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: So for him to increase his field goal percentage I

695
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: think by twenty points basically. Yeah, that's significant. It's good

696
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: to see him stick around. I remember having these fights

697
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis when they named him Legatron and Greg

698
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: the Leg his rookie year. Wait a minute, man, he's

699
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: got a long way to go back giving him nicknames

700
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: and the other thing. He's going to break the record someday.

701
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah remember that. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure to put. Yes, right,

702
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: he's got leg we've seen that. Yeah, work on your accuracy, man.

703
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: So I thought last season was good for him because

704
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: he had a chance to calm down and just be

705
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: a placekicker. So continue on that now, if they have

706
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: to line you up for a sixty to win a game. Well,

707
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: you feel confident because we've seen it before. Yeah, exactly.

708
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: All right, So one more thing about football before we

709
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: move on to some other fun things. Um, we were

710
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: talking about this, I think off the error on our

711
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: between the Horns live, which you can still check out

712
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: on Facebook if you haven't seen it. It It was a

713
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: good time. We answered a lot of questions. I love

714
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: when you go into spin mode. I love that that

715
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: wasn't spin spin, that was that was what they call

716
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: I I can't think of the word either, like yeah,

717
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: plug plug, pluug mode, plugging something. Yeah exactly so. But

718
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: now there are so these rules proposals that they're going

719
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: to be talking about. Oh look at your face, Nan,

720
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: he looks so disappointed. Anyone that helps the defense. I

721
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: can't really hope one rules change that helps the defense. Uh,

722
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: you know what, here's one. Here's what I think should

723
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: not happen anymore. I what I really don't like, did

724
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: not like about rules changes in the twenty sixteen season

725
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: was that they moved touchbacks from the twenty to the

726
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: twenty five. Professional offenses should be able to go eighty yards.

727
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: Stop it with this college stuff. Should be able to

728
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: I said, that, and I think I know what you're thinking.

729
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: Can I just throw most out there? Yeah? Most professional

730
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: offenses should be able to go anty yards? Right, No,

731
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: but some can't. I know some can't go sixty. I

732
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: know you can't go forty. I know, okay, but I'm saying,

733
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: if you're a professional offense, it's the NFL like, stop

734
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: it with that. But why would you give Tom brad

735
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: an extra five yards? I get you, exactly would you

736
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: give Aaron Rodgers? I get you right? But there's one.

737
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: There are a couple that I thought rules proposals that

738
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: I thought were interesting. There's one from Washington that moves

739
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage to the twenty yard line for

740
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: any touchback where the free kick travels through the uprights.

741
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I like it is that I thought they

742
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: were gonna assign or assess points if you kick it

743
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: through the up That was one that was a rules

744
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: proposal I think last year that did not get back.

745
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: I got a guy on kickoff, my kicker puts it

746
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: through the uprights. Then you start your offense on the

747
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, and so the twenty five love it. I

748
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: think that's a good idea, absolutely, because it gives that

749
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: kicker incentive to drive it through the upright. How exciting

750
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: does that make kickoffs? Now? It makes it a little

751
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: bit more exciting. Yeah, so either you know you want

752
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: to go take that approach or the pop up kicks.

753
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: You're still kicking off from the thirty five? Okay, like

754
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: like you were, Okay, but I thought I thought that

755
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: one was interesting. See. The only thing that makes me

756
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: nervous about that is when you start adding that for kickers,

757
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: it becomes like the home run derby. You watch baseball,

758
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Like some of these guys are going to home run

759
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: derby and they're never the same after. Yeah, that does

760
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: make me nervous. That's another one, all right. So there's

761
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: this other one here that by the Competition Committee reduces

762
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: the length of the preseason and regular season overtime periods

763
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: to ten minutes, which I'm like, sudden death. No, it's

764
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: the same, it's the same rule, but it's just ten

765
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: minutes and then we go to a time Yeah, so

766
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: ten minutes when we go to a top Why So

767
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: my question is, why is preseason overtime just not being eliminated?

768
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: Why would you not vote for that? Who wants preseason overtime.

769
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: Do you want preseason overtime? Does anybody want preseason overtime?

770
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you reporters really don't want preseason overtime. I'd

771
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: say it's a small percentage, but I mean there are

772
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: some coaches out there that need to get more work

773
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: for their guys. I'm being seri rookie head coach, rookie quarterbacks,

774
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: guys coming back. I mean, if you do have extra

775
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: time in a preseason because you can't hit and practice anymore. Yeah,

776
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: so if you're trying to get your team ready and

777
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: you know they're not ready for the regular season, you

778
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: need as much time as you can get. Okay, but

779
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: I mean for veteran squads. I mean, look, coaches can

780
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: control that too. Don't tie the damn thing up. Yeah, exactly,

781
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah the pason, Yeah, yeah, it's it's fine. So the

782
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: Washington actually had like a lot of proposals for either

783
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: their new rules or by laws, but this one I

784
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: think is more unique for Washington. In the by law proposal,

785
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: and they are proposing to permit clubs to opt out

786
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: of the color Rush jerseys created for Thursday night football.

787
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: What do you think, I don't know. Color Rush jerseys

788
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: are fine. What I didn't like was in twenty fifteen

789
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: when they first started it, when they would have color

790
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: on color and they got rid of that because it

791
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: was not great for color blind fans. So yeah, so

792
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: now they have you. One is the color, the other

793
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: is a white jersey. Okay, Um, but apparently the Washington

794
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: you know does not want to wear Here's here's where

795
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: I come in on this uniforms. I could take or

796
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: leave that stuff doesn't matter to me at all. Um.

797
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I think this is the pros. The game is exciting

798
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: enough you don't need gimmicks. Yeah, that's the way I feel.

799
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: But if if you have a color rush, then everybody

800
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: has to do it. Yea. If some people don't want

801
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: it and it could go away, I won't miss it.

802
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: I won't really either. Okay. So there are a couple

803
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: three resolutions that I think all should probably pass well,

804
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: although Philadelphias might not. So. The first one from Philadelphia

805
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: would be to mend the NFL's on field policy to

806
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: allow clubs to have an alternate helmet in a color

807
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: to match their third uniform. So I guess Philly wants

808
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: like a black helmet to match their black Jersey. Are

809
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: we still talking about uniforms? Yeah, okay, we'll move on

810
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: to this. One's better from the Competition Committee, and it

811
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: permits a club to negotiate and reach an agreement with

812
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: a head coaching candidate during the postseason prior to the

813
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: conclusion of the employer club season. Good. You can get

814
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: your guy before. Yeah. Oh, I like that. It's about

815
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: time that. Why was that in place to begin with?

816
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, to be completely honest, I mean

817
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: i'd have to ask like coach for Meal. I mean, yeah,

818
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 1: I mean he's been in the game a lot longer

819
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: than J and I, so he would tell me. But yeah,

820
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: that makes sense. The only problem with that is if

821
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: you're on my staff and we're heading into the postseason

822
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: and you start taking job offers while I'm trying to

823
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. Yeah, well, and may you become

824
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: the head coach of a team. I got to play

825
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: twice next year? Okay, but I think and then I

826
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: got all plays with you on Sunday. I think everybody.

827
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Take Kyle Shanahan for instance, right, I mean, everybody knew

828
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: that he was going to be the forty nine Ers

829
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: head coach, even though he was still with Atlanta, but

830
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: because he was not the forty nine ers head coach,

831
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: he couldn't start assembling his staff, And I think that

832
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: kind of puts you at a disadvantage. And I think

833
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: that's what the Competition Committee is sort of maybe trying

834
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: to get at, is that if a if a head

835
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: coach can just be the head coach and then you know,

836
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, just start trying to get his staff assent,

837
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: then that's something that would more or less level that playing.

838
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: That's one of those things I think I like. But

839
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: let me see how it works first, because, like you said,

840
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: if I become the head coach of Team X while

841
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm working for Team why, and I start assembling a staff,

842
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, in the postseason where you want to

843
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: be more focused than ever, then at any time, all right,

844
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: that let me see how that. Yeah, let me see

845
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: how that works, all right, because that stuff is bound

846
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: to get out, right, and when it filters down to

847
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: the locker room, then what happens. Well, yeah, at the

848
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: time you're going into New England, right, But at the

849
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: same time, I mean, Atlanta was up twenty eight to

850
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: three in the Super Bowl, they did not win anything.

851
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, like, you know, well that happened

852
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: on the field, that didn't happened. It didn't seem to

853
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: affect Kyle Shanahan in terms of game preparation, even though

854
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: we all knew he was going to become the forty nine.

855
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I think I like it. Yeah, but it's different when

856
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: it comes to assembling a staff because how much was

857
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: he really assembling the staff when he doesn't actually have

858
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: the job. We don't, We don't know. I think you're right,

859
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of unknowns in that that. You know,

860
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: some guys liked it the other way because once you

861
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: get that job, your phone is going to ring off

862
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: the hook. Yeah, yeah, from everybody you used to know. Yeah,

863
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: So I might want to wait on that, but we'll see, Yeah,

864
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: we'll see. Okay, So there's this is not necessarily football related,

865
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: but I want to get your take on it because

866
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: I like hearing you talk about different things. Sure, what

867
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: do you make of LaVar Ball? God, he's a genius man.

868
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: He is. He's everywhere. Yeah, he's arguing with everyone, and

869
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: he's on the he was on first Take yesterday. Everyone

870
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: has what do they say? What do the young guys say?

871
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: Keep your name out of my mouth. Yea, his name

872
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: has been in everybody's mouth. It's true, he's it's in

873
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: our mouths. It's working. When he said I want to

874
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: create a brand, well, you're doing it. You're absolutely doing it.

875
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: But I think you're putting more heat on your kid,

876
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: are you though, Well, yeah, you're not playing the kids

877
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: are right, but I mean, at least for a Lonzo

878
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: who is really starring at UCLA. Did you say that

879
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: that I could beat Jordan one on one? Did you

880
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: say my son is better than Lebron James while Lebron

881
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: is still breathing? Well, so what he said about Lebron James,

882
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: and I thought Lebron James was right to come back

883
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: with keep my kid's names out of your mouth, was

884
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: that it's going to be like, oh, it's so hard

885
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 1: for Lebron James's kids because his dad is a star,

886
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna have to try to live up

887
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: to Lebron James. And you know, you got Bronnie and

888
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: dad da da, and like Lebron was just like a man,

889
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: like look, you say, say whatever you want, but keep

890
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: my kids names out of your mouth, right, Like, keep

891
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: my kids out of it and I think he's right.

892
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's a dad and dad like, dude,

893
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: just your son. Your son is very talented, like he's

894
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: doing well at UCLA. But keep my kid's name out

895
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: of your mouth. But what's the genius part of that

896
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: that we're all talking about it? Lebron had to comment. Yes,

897
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't comment on anything. I know you're right, that's

898
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, Wow, that's amazing. So he is

899
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: a genius. But I think you're making it hard on

900
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: harder on your your kids that are playing because number one,

901
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: they have to get along with their teammates. Number two,

902
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: they have to go and play and compete against different guys. Yeah,

903
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: and it's only going to get tougher from here as

904
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: you move up. It's so interesting to me because I mean,

905
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: he's got the kids. Lamello. It was the one who

906
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: or ninety two points in a game in February and Chails,

907
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: I mean like that. First of all, I don't really

908
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: understand how one person can score ninety two points in

909
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: a high school scenes the video. Yeah, I saw what

910
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley was talking about. That's not basketball. Yeah, when

911
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: you're kind of cherry picking, Yeah, you're playing defense, right, Okay,

912
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how much basketball that is either. Yeah,

913
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: you're right, but it's it's interesting because you've seen a

914
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: Lonzo play, you know, during this tournament, and he's done

915
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: a really nice job. And it's like, Okay, I understand

916
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: the father propping up his sons. Like that's kind of

917
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: cool in some ways, but it's the to me, it's

918
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: kind of the stuff where it's like, oh, I could

919
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: be in Jordan one a while, like dude, be you

920
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: doing and it's like it's almost like Rex Ryan Bravado,

921
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: you know, kind of you know who I kind of

922
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: compared it to. But this guy turned out to be

923
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: right and we were wrong. Richard Williams, Yeah, remember the

924
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: sign where he this is when Venus was on the

925
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: scene and Serena was still too young. Yeah, and he said,

926
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: if you think Venus is good, wait until you see

927
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: Serena and oh whatever, whatever, whatever, And then turns out

928
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: Serena is the greatest of all time, right. And I

929
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: remember he had this white grease board, this little cheap

930
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: white grease board, and he wrote I told you, and

931
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: he was holding up and showing it to everybody that

932
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't. And I'm like, Okay, you're right that you

933
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: can get away with. But come on, man, I mean

934
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about basketball. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. That's

935
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: the thing where I might want to wait right, Yeah,

936
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: it's like that. That is the interesting thing to me,

937
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: because again I think there's something too a father propping

938
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: up his sons. But he also is just this kind

939
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: of master marketer, because I mean it's like you said,

940
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: everybody everywhere is talking about him. So he was on

941
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: first Take yesterday, and so I listened to the Dan

942
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: LeBatard Show basically religiously, and so they posted this thing

943
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: where they were watching LaVar Ball and stephen A square

944
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: off because it was two like blank talkers just going

945
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: right back at each other. Funny. Yeah, it was like,

946
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, stephen A had met his match, and I've

947
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that. Take the suits off and

948
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: and remove them from TV and just put a barber shop.

949
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: That's the barber shop right there. Yeah, which one's cutting hair?

950
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Though I don't know if I would want either of

951
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: those guys to cut my hair, right, all right, So

952
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: all right, one last thing, because I as a professional,

953
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: by the way, I have a rule as a broadcaster.

954
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: Never talk to a guy's father about that guy. Interesting,

955
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Why because he's only going to give you the positives.

956
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, it's always it's always going to be

957
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: the coach is wrong and this is what my guy

958
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: can do. It's your son. Of course you're going to say.

959
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: So never talk to the guy's father. I mean, I

960
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: think that makes sense. All right, It's a last thing

961
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: and this is relevant to my life because it happened

962
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: to me last week. What do you think of guy's

963
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: resting in the NBA UM. I think it's a hell

964
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: of a weapon. M I think it's uh, it's it's

965
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: it's genius by the players to have that sort of

966
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: power and exercise it. So that's the thing. People are

967
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: putting it more on the players, but a lot of

968
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: the time it's on the coach because Tylu was the one.

969
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: And I say it was relevant to me because I

970
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: was going to the Clippers game. I went to the

971
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: Clippers game last week that the Cavs played in La. Right,

972
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: they played two games in LA. I chose the Clippers

973
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: because it was the first night of the back to back,

974
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: and of course that's the day where they are Okay, Yeah,

975
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: so that is not the best like whatever. But yeah,

976
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: so I understand all the arguments, you know, the oh man,

977
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: you want the fans to you know, you're you're doing this,

978
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, and it hurts the fans because they pay

979
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: a lot of money to go and they people do.

980
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like, as a Cavs fan,

981
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: I want them to win a championship. I want Lebron

982
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: to be rested as he needs to be so he

983
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: can defeat Golden State in seven games. So you were

984
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 1: there when they sat, Yeah, I was? Were you mad?

985
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: A little? I did not. I did not stay for

986
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: the whole game, mad enough to worry if you got

987
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: tickets you wouldn't go almost, but not quiet. The next

988
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: time Lebron takes the floor, You're going to be there.

989
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: The next time the Warriors take the floor, You're going

990
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: to be there as upset as you are about them

991
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: sitting right. No, when they're when they're playing, you're going

992
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah, that's that's That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

993
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't mind it as a Cavs fan, even though

994
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, like people paid money to see them, and

995
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I got these tickets to go see them that were

996
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: given to me. I guess I should clarify that, but yeah,

997
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You know, I would love to see

998
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers right, and I would love to see Lebron James.

999
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Lebron James in person since he's been

1000
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: back with the Cavaliers, but I would want I want

1001
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: them to win a championship. More. I heard it's a rumor,

1002
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: a myth somebody put out there, and it actually kind

1003
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: of makes sense that this might be revenge, revenge for

1004
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: what from some of the things that were coming out

1005
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: of a certain network. Oh yeah, interesting certain talking heads.

1006
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: Oh you want to talk stuff about us and me? Okay,

1007
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: I'll sit on national game. I don't know if I

1008
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: believe all that. Well, I don't think that it was

1009
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, I just but I wanted to get your

1010
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: take on it, because you know, I mean, you don't,

1011
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: Yes says as a football player, it's totally different. Well,

1012
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: here's the thing. This is how I'll bring it to football.

1013
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: And I think the last time they had it, or

1014
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: when I had a real big dust up about it,

1015
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: was when Peyton Manning was still in New England and

1016
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: they were under still in Indianapolis and they were undefeated,

1017
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: Should they start him the last game of the year

1018
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: and go for sixteen to no? And I said, hell no, Yeah,

1019
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: what's the point of going sixteen to o if you

1020
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: don't win a Super Bowl? Yeah, if something happens to

1021
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: him in a meaningless game, you're going to kick yourself

1022
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. Yes, So yeah, if

1023
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: you have a chance for rest with the goal of

1024
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: winning a championship, then by all means do that. If

1025
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: your starters are tired and you can get away with

1026
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: having them out for a game or two, so be it. Yeah,

1027
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm there, all right, all right, Well we'll start to

1028
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: get out of here. I think we've been here for

1029
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: a while, especially considering the Between the Horns live stuff

1030
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: we did, which guys again, if you've not seen that,

1031
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: you can check that out on Facebook Live. It was

1032
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: a pretty good time us answering questions, you got a

1033
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: parting shot defar. Why is DeAndre Jordan? Oh I forgotten

1034
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about the bobble heads. Why is this

1035
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: babble starting a bubble head collect I have. I don't

1036
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: have anything against him, but why is he here? Because

1037
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: he's the bubble head that we have, we need more

1038
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: bubble heads, so we have bable. I mean, if you're

1039
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: listening to this on the podcast, we've got Todd Gurley

1040
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: as our bubble head. That makes sense, I know. Okay,

1041
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: but DeAndre Jordan is also on the desk, So DeAndre

1042
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: Jordan's first, but Deacon Jones is over there. Deacon Jones

1043
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: is on the shelf. Because that is a picture. I

1044
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: don't think you can put the picture right here on

1045
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: the desk. Is it yours? It's one of the offices,

1046
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: because I was about to knock it off the desk.

1047
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: Knock it off the desk. That's my parting shot. Oh

1048
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: that's just rude. DeAndre Jordan's fine, say what you said? Okay,

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Speaker 1: yeah there, yeah, there it is all right. DeAndre Jordan's fine.

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Speaker 1: All right. Guys, Well, thank you so much for tuning

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Speaker 1: into this edition of Between the Horns from my producer

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Speaker 1: job for DeMarco Farr. I'm Miles Simmons. Were where you

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Speaker 1: may be in football. We'll see you next time.