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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. I am John Schmilki is

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Speaker 1: pauled the Tino. The phone number for you is two

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Speaker 1: one four five one three. Hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter

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Speaker 1: if you want to get in touches that way you can. Well.

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Speaker 1: We finally had a first preseason game, folks, and it

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Speaker 1: was a fun one. The Giants beat the Jets thirty

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Speaker 1: one to twenty two. Have to check the final score,

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Speaker 1: bus really the final scores irrelevant. What matters is how

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Speaker 1: the team played. It's by Corps Life, by the way.

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Speaker 1: So Paul, obviously, I think we have to start with

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Speaker 1: the major story, and that's the job that Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: coming in, uh did coming in in that second series

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Speaker 1: of the game. He was in there with the starters

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Speaker 1: against the Jets backup defense, and quite frankly, he played

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Speaker 1: as well as he possibly could perfect quarterback rating one

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Speaker 1: fifty eight point three five or five sixty seven yards,

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Speaker 1: one touchdown, no interceptions. He checked every box you could.

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Speaker 1: We caution it's just a preseason game. It's against the

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Speaker 1: vanilla defense. It was the Giant starters against the Jets backups.

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Speaker 1: But he did all you could ask of him, Well,

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Speaker 1: look at it this way. Just because plays are there

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Speaker 1: to be made doesn't mean they necessarily have to be

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Speaker 1: made correctly. Doesn't necessarily have to mean that they were

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Speaker 1: done pretty. Although actually he did a pretty job. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he did miss a couple of assignments I guess adjustments

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Speaker 1: early in the in the drive, Kirch Pat Shermers said

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Speaker 1: that he forgot to send a tight ending motion, for

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Speaker 1: example on the first place. Yes, but what is the

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Speaker 1: ultimate result. He executed well enough to go five or

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Speaker 1: five or sixty seven yards and a twelve yard touchdown pass,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, was a nice laser into the

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Speaker 1: back right corner to Betty Fowler, who also deserves credit because, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the fenders were in the vicinity. I mean that ball

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Speaker 1: was in a tight window, and he did a good

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Speaker 1: job to concentrate and to make sure that he held

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Speaker 1: onto the scoring strike. Yeah. I watched it this morning

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Speaker 1: that Jets weren't cover two. So you had the cornerback

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Speaker 1: you had the safety dep ran right at the safety,

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Speaker 1: went outside, safety trailed them. Jones had to put it

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Speaker 1: outside of the safety and over the shallow corner, got

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Speaker 1: it in the correct spot. That's not an easy throw.

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Speaker 1: It's not an easy throw. So um, he checked all

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Speaker 1: the boxes once again. And folks, I know this was

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Speaker 1: probably most of your first opportunity you'd seen him. Some

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Speaker 1: of you have been to camp. I get it, and

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Speaker 1: that's great, and I hope you have. Uh if you

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Speaker 1: have not, and this was your first opportunity. Uh, that's

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Speaker 1: what we've been telling you about. He has checked all

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Speaker 1: of the boxes and this is one more box, one

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Speaker 1: more box. But you know what, there are a whole

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Speaker 1: line of boxes still waiting to be filled, lots of boxes,

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Speaker 1: and those are the important boxes. These are boxes that

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Speaker 1: are fun to check and they're informative and it's great.

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Speaker 1: But as Pat charmer, and I'll get to the irony

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Speaker 1: in a second. By the way, did you mention that

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Speaker 1: Haskins got picked off twice last night for the Redskins? Otherwise?

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Speaker 1: By the way, he was actually fourteen for one seventeen,

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Speaker 1: So otherwise there's his overall numbers were okay, but he

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Speaker 1: did have two picks. How about we not just just

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Speaker 1: wanted to mention, how about we not compare every quarterbacking anybody?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to point make the point that the one

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Speaker 1: preseason game is then portant. You're trying to compare people. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to compare anybody. I'm exactly trying to

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Speaker 1: state the fact we have some people here in this

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Speaker 1: other folks outside knew that Haskins had two picks. Okay, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: I do find it funny that Pat Shermer was that

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Speaker 1: has actually been brought to the point now where he

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Speaker 1: was trying to downplay Daniel Jones' performance to the media

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Speaker 1: after the game, and the path we've taken with Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones is actually pretty hilarious. We've gone from the national

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Speaker 1: meeting and I think the national media was actually a

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Speaker 1: lot rougher on the Giants, and the local media was.

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Speaker 1: After they drafted Daniel Jones and you know, L O. L.

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Speaker 1: in the O t A. He's playing a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, he looks pretty good. Then he

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Speaker 1: to play, Oh well, you know, Daniel Jones. You know

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Speaker 1: Then he gets into a preseason game, Oh man, he

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Speaker 1: was he was five for five. He should start over

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Speaker 1: a line many and week one. So now we've gone

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Speaker 1: calm down about overblowing how good he's played. This is

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Speaker 1: the world, now, people, this is the world. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: The agenda must overtake all the facts. I'm not I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not necessarily going agenda. People just swing so

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Speaker 1: wildly from one extreme to the other without any sense

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Speaker 1: of context with anything they're talking about in between. Only

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Speaker 1: today's media could turn a nice, solid, productive performance by

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and turn it into well, let's see what

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Speaker 1: kind of negative can we make here, Let's say that

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Speaker 1: he should be starting over lie right now. It's even

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Speaker 1: the fans though, Paul, and because they're reading a bunch

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Speaker 1: of you know what, Paul, I'm not trying to make

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Speaker 1: you stop trying to make this about the media. That's

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Speaker 1: not what I'm trying to do here. Okay, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm go ahead,

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Speaker 1: you sit here killing people. Um, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: just important to understand what he did was really good,

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Speaker 1: but he did it well in context. Look, it's just

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Speaker 1: the perception that bugs me. Whether or not it's coming

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Speaker 1: from certain segments of media, certain segments of experts, certain

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Speaker 1: segments of the fan base. The perception that is out

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Speaker 1: there seems to catch fire, as if a forest is

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Speaker 1: burning down. That's that's fair. That's my problem, and and

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Speaker 1: and and it bothers me too, as you can tell.

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Speaker 1: That's why I brought it up, because you know, well,

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Speaker 1: let's just say this, folks. It wasn't this way in

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Speaker 1: the eighties when social media didn't exist and Twitter didn't exist. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't that way at all. It was just hardcore

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Speaker 1: of football. Let's get to the xs and os. What's

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Speaker 1: real is real, and the heck with perceptions, but it is.

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Speaker 1: It is where we are. This is two thousand nineteen. Sorry, John,

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Speaker 1: that's okay, You're okay, understand, you're excited. I know, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm old school just the way it is. Really,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. By the way, Can I add

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Speaker 1: one other thing that has nothing to do with this topic? Yeah? Sure,

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Speaker 1: the Giants had four quarterbacks playing the game, and the

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Speaker 1: last night, I mean Eli was in there for one

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Speaker 1: quick series. It was a three and out and it

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Speaker 1: really did not amount to anything. But Alex Tanney, and

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Speaker 1: not throwing long sixty five yard bombs. But Alex Tanney,

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Speaker 1: to me, is a more than respectable backup quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this league. And it still boggles my mind how he

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Speaker 1: found a legitimate long term home when you consider the

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Speaker 1: other backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Alex Toddy performed extremely

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Speaker 1: well last night, and Kylo Letta probably looked as good,

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Speaker 1: if not better than any other time he has been

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Speaker 1: couple of really nice passes on deep outs, and he

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Speaker 1: expect to big jump from your first year to your

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Speaker 1: second year. We saw that from him. One of the

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Speaker 1: thing quickly on Daniel Jones just specifically about performance. You

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Speaker 1: show last night, Paul that if there was one thing

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Speaker 1: that if you want to be critical of his play

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Speaker 1: in the spring, in the summer, and this would be

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Speaker 1: being hypercritical, you're nitpicking a little bit on some throws

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Speaker 1: over the middle, in the short and intermediate range. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he was taking one extra beat before he would release

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Speaker 1: last night, and he get passes knocked away. His throws

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Speaker 1: granted it's a vanelle of defense because the Jets and

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Speaker 1: Johns are playing later in the year. Greg Williams doesn't

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Speaker 1: passes were on time, they were decisive. He was taking

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Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball, and a lot of that

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Speaker 1: They massed protected against the blitz. So I just thought

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Speaker 1: his decisiveness for a rookie when sometimes you literally see

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Speaker 1: saw it when Kylo Letta came in against the Redskins

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Speaker 1: in the second half last year. He was swimming. You

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Speaker 1: could tell everything was going so fast for the kid. Correct.

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Speaker 1: It didn't look that way for Daniel Jones last night,

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Speaker 1: not at all. And a great example of that as

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Speaker 1: the touchdown pass to Fowler. That's a small window and

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Speaker 1: to the defense, something he didn't do a lot in college.

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Speaker 1: a blitz yep. The Jets brought seven, the Giants protected

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Speaker 1: the books was coming. He took three steps pivoted, saw

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Speaker 1: cut was being made, not after the cut was made,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of key quarterbacks wait for. Hit him

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Speaker 1: on time right at the sideline. I believe that he

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Speaker 1: let's not forget the guys who caught the balls. Because John, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's ultimately going to turn out. We we know that

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Speaker 1: Shephard right now is unavailable probably for for the preseason

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Speaker 1: because of that thumb. But you know these guys, Russell

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Speaker 1: Shephard comes up with a big play touchdown, turns on

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Speaker 1: the corner of the end zone. We saw T. J.

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Speaker 1: Jones make a nice adjustment on low. Let us throw

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Speaker 1: and hold on for a touchdown. You let to give

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Speaker 1: him credit for an intentional back shoulder throw there or no. Okay, no, no,

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Speaker 1: nice plays in the latter stage of this game, injecting

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Speaker 1: some more Daniel Jones next week. All right, thanks guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you. And Patrick would confirmed today by the way,

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Speaker 1: that Jones would have probably played another eight to ten snaps.

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Speaker 1: I think you said, right, Paul, if the rain had

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Speaker 1: income and I think it was more an issue of

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Speaker 1: they didn't want to put the first team offensive lineback

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Speaker 1: out there after sitting down for nearly an hour and

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Speaker 1: all those big guys, it takes them a while they

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Speaker 1: get everything moving, you know, want him to stop and

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Speaker 1: then start again. You don't want to have any injuries there,

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Speaker 1: so they'll play more of the preseason games to get

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Speaker 1: Jones all the snaps that he needs U five one three.

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Speaker 1: Julian down in Hollywood, Florida. He's up next. Hey Julian, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how are you? How's everything? Hi? We're great? What's up? Alright? So, UM,

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Speaker 1: I know that in the beginning, John, you were saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're not trying to blame the media when

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Speaker 1: you were talking to Paul before you guys got on

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Speaker 1: the lines. But it absolutely is the media that portrays

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Speaker 1: these picks. And you know, like when we drafted Jones,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're waking up the sports center saying what

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Speaker 1: are the giants doing? Is what's going on here? And

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Speaker 1: what's going on there? So it is absolutely the media

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Speaker 1: to blame. But Julian, I hear you. Julian, I hear you,

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Speaker 1: And that's true. But I'm gonna give you a larger

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Speaker 1: theoretical argument here. Why do you think the media presents

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Speaker 1: things the way they do and creates more of an

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Speaker 1: opinion um issue with how they report on things and

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Speaker 1: just reporting the facts. And I'll answer the question for you.

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Speaker 1: They do it that way because when people state those

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Speaker 1: strong opinions right or wrong, those shows all get better ratings.

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Speaker 1: So the reason the media acts that way and operates

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Speaker 1: that way is because that's the content that the fans

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Speaker 1: absorb more of. If the fans wanted the straight shooting

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Speaker 1: stuff that had context and was straight down the middle,

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Speaker 1: guess what they do that they put out there? What

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Speaker 1: gets the most clicks? There isn't exactly that's what. And

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Speaker 1: again it's not the hardcore fans like you, Julian, like

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Speaker 1: anybody that listens to the show. Those aren't the people

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Speaker 1: that want that hot click stuff. But the majority of

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Speaker 1: the casual fans. They see a headline that says this

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Speaker 1: team's dumb or this team is great, they want to

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Speaker 1: read this. They don't want to read well, you know,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones might be a risky pick, but because the

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Speaker 1: talent of Duke wasn't so good a running baby, he'll

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Speaker 1: be a good pick. People don't click on that, you

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Speaker 1: know what, You know what I mean? Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: it's funny. There was actually a reporter who asked coach

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Speaker 1: Shermour on the conference call today if if Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: is now done enough to you know, insert himself into

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Speaker 1: a quarterback competition for opening day against the Cowboys after

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Speaker 1: going five for five in a preseason game against the

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Speaker 1: Jets second team. Yeah, against the Jets second team defense.

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Speaker 1: But suddenly now he's going to be involved in the

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Speaker 1: competition for the number one quarterback. That's what a writer

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Speaker 1: actually asked the head football coach of the Giants this morning.

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Speaker 1: So you you tell me where the credibility is you know, actually, guys,

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Speaker 1: credibility goes to you guys. And absolutely percent what you said,

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Speaker 1: John is true. I mean, you guys are the real reporters.

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Speaker 1: Any real Giant fans should be listening to you guys

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Speaker 1: what you guys have to say. I mean, I remembering

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Speaker 1: damn junk got picked. I believe it was paused, said

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Speaker 1: give the kid a chance. Like, we don't know what

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Speaker 1: we don't even know what he can bring to the say.

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Speaker 1: We've seen his tape and that's all we can rely on.

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Speaker 1: We can't tell the guy. We can't say you the bucks,

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Speaker 1: we can't say that happen to be better than him.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen anything on an NFL level yet. Well,

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Speaker 1: Julian and and by the way, here here's the here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. And Paul and I had our opinions heading

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Speaker 1: into the draft, and we were very clear with them

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Speaker 1: and we're not running from them. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: We're willing to admit that the team knows a lot

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Speaker 1: more about these guys than we do. I watched Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones play in my tape study, probably six or seven

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Speaker 1: full games. Well, guess what, he played eleven last year,

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Speaker 1: and he played twenty four the two years before that.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the time to go watch all those

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Speaker 1: the giants people in the front office though they watch

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Speaker 1: every one of those games, probably more than once that

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Speaker 1: multiple people did it. They go when they talked to

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Speaker 1: a million people around the kid around in the school,

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Speaker 1: find out what he's all about. They have full day

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Speaker 1: meetings with them. We don't have access to any of that.

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Speaker 1: So all we have our opinion and it's as educated

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Speaker 1: as it can be based on the resources we have

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Speaker 1: available to us. We're willing to say that this is

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Speaker 1: what we think, but the team has a lot more

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Speaker 1: information than we do, so we're willing to give them

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt until the player gets on

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Speaker 1: the field and actually shows who's right and who's wrong.

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Speaker 1: And I just think that's the right way to go

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Speaker 1: about it. It's a perzingis effect, right. I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, how many people bood when wasted? You know what?

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Speaker 1: What he showed out there. So I want to make

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Speaker 1: my point really clear. Guys. I'm sorry to get into

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Speaker 1: the media, but um, I thought Dan Jones did a

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Speaker 1: great job. I think um Alex Hanny stood out to

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Speaker 1: me a lot. I think, Paul, I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed watching Alice Tenny play. I was actually pretty

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Speaker 1: surprised on how well he did. UM, and I thought

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Speaker 1: pay Davis Uh stuck out to me too. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how what your guy's opinion is on that, but

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Speaker 1: I'll leave it off with with this guy's um. If

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Speaker 1: you can, guys can just give us a grade for

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Speaker 1: these three things. The old line, how do you guys

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Speaker 1: think they did from an A, B, C D perspective?

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Speaker 1: And DeAndre Baker and also um, Julian Love and I'll

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Speaker 1: take it off there with that. Guys, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Go ahead, Paul, Well, here here's what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I don't think it's fair to go

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Speaker 1: abc D grading off of limited action in the first

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Speaker 1: preseason game I think the way you do this, you

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Speaker 1: know how some college coach courses are past fail. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the way you have to grade these preseason snaps,

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Speaker 1: especially since the guy may only play you know, snaps,

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Speaker 1: to grade them with a letter grade. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: see that being realistic or justifiable. And again I'll say

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Speaker 1: this too, I don't think Paul and I have enough information.

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Speaker 1: Even though I sat down and watch the tape, we

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Speaker 1: don't know what the game plan was. We don't know

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Speaker 1: what the coaches are asking the players to do on

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Speaker 1: every play. I think for us to even give a grade,

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Speaker 1: it's frankly being a little arrogant. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: think we're in the position to do that. I will

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Speaker 1: say this on the past fail scale without me having

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Speaker 1: gone back and looked at the tape yet this morning,

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Speaker 1: I would say I would give all three of those

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Speaker 1: guys pass. Yeah, that's that's a very generic grade. But

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Speaker 1: to be honest, at this point, that's all you want.

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Speaker 1: It's the guy who gets a failing grade at this point,

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Speaker 1: who now is under the microscope for the ensuing practices

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Speaker 1: in preseason games because he's the guy who has to

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Speaker 1: get his arrow pointed in the right direction if he's

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Speaker 1: going to make the team. And by the way, I

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Speaker 1: will say this, there are there are some very good

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Speaker 1: reporters that cover the team too, So you know, I

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Speaker 1: just that's true when we when we talk in those

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Speaker 1: in those circles, we're talking in generalities for the specific

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Speaker 1: type of guys who are participating in those styles of stories.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think think they're all passed. Paul, I'm

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Speaker 1: with the old mine. I thought was much better in

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Speaker 1: pass pro, especially the first group, than it wasn't in

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Speaker 1: the running game. Baker had the one defensive pass interference. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he gave up a catch in the game.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I don't remember anybody catching. I

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Speaker 1: mentioned Love he gave up the one, but he knocked

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Speaker 1: the ball with another Him and Baker didn't communicate well

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Speaker 1: on the touchdown. Hey Davis, he got bated. I guess

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Speaker 1: I can use that word by Sam Donald a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It was the play after the Herndon bust where Jamison

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Speaker 1: Crowder was in the slot and Donald threw a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a pump fake. Adam and Davis went right,

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Speaker 1: and then Crater took off to the left and Donald

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Speaker 1: hit him, but that's also a linebacker trying to cover

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Speaker 1: a shift. And Donald did a good job moving him

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Speaker 1: around with his eyes and his arm, which is which

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Speaker 1: is what good quarterbacks do. You know what I thought

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Speaker 1: was really good in the secondary last night early in

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Speaker 1: the game, Michael Thomas. I saw him make a couple

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Speaker 1: of nice plays around the line of scrimmage. I did

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Speaker 1: not notice him in coverage, no, no, no, but but

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Speaker 1: going forward he did. He did a good job charging.

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Speaker 1: He's he's a very solid football player. Yes, I like

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Speaker 1: him a lot. To five one three, let's go to ts.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I mentioned one bad boy. He had

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Speaker 1: a great play on that first Jets drive. He shot

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Speaker 1: one of the gaps and tackle Cannon for two yard

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Speaker 1: loss early in the game. To I should bring that up, Mike,

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Speaker 1: and Florida is up next? What's up? Mike? Hey? John? Hey, Well,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? I Oh, I was, you know,

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Speaker 1: pretty pleased with what I saw from from the game

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Speaker 1: last night. UM, very very impressed with Ryan Connolly. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was what he sidelined the sideline I was watching.

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Speaker 1: They had some close ups of them, um, and he

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Speaker 1: was kind of commanding the you know, the huddle. Um,

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Speaker 1: he looked, he looked like he belonged. Let's put it

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Speaker 1: that way. Hey, Davis looked great to uh for the

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Speaker 1: for the time that he played. I thought he is

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Speaker 1: all over the field all. So I feel a lot

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Speaker 1: better about our lineback and crew after the first game.

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Speaker 1: It's the first preseason game, but I feel a lot

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Speaker 1: better about it. Um since after you know, after the game, UM,

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Speaker 1: happy with overall, happy with the young secondary. You know

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Speaker 1: they made some young young mistakes, but uh, you don't

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Speaker 1: play mistakes. But I thought they did h an admirable job. Um.

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Speaker 1: And the last thing I have UM came here. Oh

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Speaker 1: on third and eight. You know Elies Elies Um Uh

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Speaker 1: Eli get to third eight and they hand the ball off. UM.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's gonna get one series.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna give it. You're gonna give it the ball

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Speaker 1: of Goldman at third and third and eight. I just

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Speaker 1: didn't under I don't know if he changed to play

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Speaker 1: or uh, if anything like that happened. I didn't understand

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Speaker 1: that at all. Felt Yeah. And also, um, that's the uh,

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Speaker 1: that's the Lawrence was the command taking a lot of

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Speaker 1: double teams. We're freeing up the linebackers. Um, they were

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Speaker 1: showing that over and over again. You could see it.

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Speaker 1: They were they were really focusing on him. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be very important moving forward to the pressure on

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. They're going to need the guys up front

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Speaker 1: to take on double teams. You know, John, the one

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Speaker 1: thing that we have forgotten about and talking about secondary

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Speaker 1: and even these linebackers, we've buried the fact that Jake

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Speaker 1: Carlock had that deflected pass that he took back for

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Speaker 1: a pick six, and we didn't even bring it up here.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even bring it up. And the show's already wait,

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Speaker 1: over half hour old. And you know, this kid is

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Speaker 1: so universally liked by his teammates and the coaching. He's

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Speaker 1: a freak show. He's a safety that's trying to play

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Speaker 1: edge rusher. He's two hundred thirty eight pounds and he's

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Speaker 1: playing with his hand in the dirt. It's unheard of. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's remarkable to see the kind of effort that he

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Speaker 1: puts out there. He has so much fun playing the game.

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Speaker 1: And as a result, local kid too, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I like, like, yeah, Long Island kid played for Allow

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Speaker 1: You Post, which is a d two school By the way, Okay,

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Speaker 1: think about this, the Giants have Balantine and Carlock, who

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Speaker 1: both might wind up being on the fifty three from

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Speaker 1: D two schools. It's pretty wild. How about the scouting

648
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Speaker 1: staff doing a good job with those guys, Chris Pett

649
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Speaker 1: and his group doing a real good job with those guys.

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Speaker 1: A couple other notes, just not a couple of things

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Speaker 1: he brought up. I don't know what the call on

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Speaker 1: the huddle was in that third and eight. I know

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Speaker 1: you don't know. I know obviously either if you like

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Speaker 1: turned it into a runner or whatever, he might have

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Speaker 1: seen something. I thought the role and make a big game.

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Speaker 1: Don't know. I know some people brought up on that

657
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: first Eli bootleg he had read Ellison down the field.

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00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: He could have thrown that ball, no argument. He decided

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Speaker 1: to take the compto to Scott Simonson, which is fine.

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Speaker 1: Get going with an easy completion. Let's not try to

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Speaker 1: pick apart every single plan read every quarterback makes place.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be. It's gonna be a arduous season if

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna start doing that, and frankly, it's no

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Speaker 1: fun um. So let's not make too much out of that.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of dexter Lawrence. He did take on

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Speaker 1: a couple of double teams in the run game. I

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Speaker 1: thought Paul, I thought he had to get flushed out

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Speaker 1: of there. Actually a couple of times on those double teams.

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Speaker 1: But I saw him pass pro or pass rush, I

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Speaker 1: should say, I thought he was closing the interior of

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Speaker 1: the pocket. He the guard was giving ground on his

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Speaker 1: bull rush, which is exactly what you want to see

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Speaker 1: at him. Well, you know, we talk about how bet

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Speaker 1: youer wants to create a better mismatch or a better

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Speaker 1: one on one matchup if you will along that defensive

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Speaker 1: front and if Lawrence can constantly command two guys and

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Speaker 1: Tomlinson can even on a part time basis, command two guys,

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Speaker 1: I mean runner pass. I don't think people a double

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Speaker 1: team in Tomlinson in the past game, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: against the rung, against the run. Okay, okay, in the

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Speaker 1: passing game, you're gonna have multiple fronts and who knows

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Speaker 1: who's gonna command why. But in the standard d think

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00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: about that for just a second. Okay, five guys up

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Speaker 1: front and then whatever other protection scheme or run blocking

685
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: scheme the offense is gonna run. But if you've got

686
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Speaker 1: to have two guys worried about Lawrence and potentially two

687
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: guys on a giving play worried about Tomlinson. That leaves

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Speaker 1: one other blocker to go against b J. Hill, man

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Speaker 1: Man Manoa Mono one on one. If you're the Giant,

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00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: you'd like to think that Hill could win a bunch

691
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: of those matchups. And you certainly believe that if you've

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Speaker 1: got one or two linebackers or even a safety coming

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Speaker 1: up like Jabrill Peppers, You're not gonna have a mismatch.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point. If you've got guys who can

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Speaker 1: command enough attention to allow you to create a mismatch

696
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Speaker 1: and another spot, you've got a really good chance to

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Speaker 1: win the play. Let's go to eddin Lakewood, New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: He's up next. They ed, Yeah, Hi, John high Paulo

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Speaker 1: to talk to Hi. How are you first? I'm real well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. My concern is, uh, paul is just bringing

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Speaker 1: it up the defense. I mean, I saw no rush

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Speaker 1: on the quarterbacks at all, number one and number two.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing as last year. John. We hold

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Speaker 1: him for the first down, we hold him for the

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Speaker 1: second down. The quarterback goes back, throws a little pass

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Speaker 1: over the middle for a third time, and they get

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Speaker 1: a first down and they run down the field, and

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Speaker 1: we lost what six games last in the last two

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Speaker 1: minutes with quarterbacks doing that to us. Are we going

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Speaker 1: to solve that problem? And I understand where you're coming from,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not willing to say yet off of one

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00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: series with the starting defense on the field altogether, that

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00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: that problem hasn't been solved. But you make a fair point.

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Speaker 1: The Giants the last couple of years have been the

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Speaker 1: king of being in third down then letting a pass

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the field go for a first down,

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00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: and then run after the catch. There's no argument there.

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Speaker 1: You're right, But I'm willing to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: more patient with this group through one preseason game than

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Speaker 1: to be too worried that that problem is not fixed.

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Speaker 1: Understanding the Giants have actually improved their speed in the

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Speaker 1: back seven over the course of the last two years,

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Speaker 1: and so that that could also help them defend that

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Speaker 1: type of play. Okay. I I just that it seems

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Speaker 1: like the middle Paul is always open on their down.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, you know, and and it just

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Speaker 1: seems like that's one of the weak points that Giants

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Speaker 1: Defense has and the other question I have guys, did

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Speaker 1: the X Man played last night? Yeah? He did, but

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Speaker 1: he was quiet. He didn't do a whole lot. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, thanks for thanks for picking my call. Guys.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate talk to you. Is the first time

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Speaker 1: I ever called in and love your show, and welcome

734
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Speaker 1: to Please dry again for listening, and feel free to

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Speaker 1: give us a call back whatever you please. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being part of the program. Five one three. You do

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Speaker 1: see much from Zimanez right. I was watching this morning

738
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Speaker 1: and I didn't see a ton from it. He was very,

739
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: very quiet, and and you know, we've really been looking

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Speaker 1: forward to getting him into game action because there's so

741
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: much promise there. But um, you know, hey, it's one

742
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Speaker 1: game again. We're trying to reserve praise for the guys

743
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Speaker 1: who did well, So let's reserve some of the criticisms

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00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: for guys who may have been quiet. Yeah, let's not

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Speaker 1: make too much out of what happened in the game.

746
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Speaker 1: Let me see, as of this morning when I printed out,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the play the play chart, that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm it was not out this morning when I printed

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Speaker 1: out and did my tape of I wonder if the

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Speaker 1: playtime percentage has been updated to the game book yet.

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Speaker 1: Let's see as I opened it up on the computer.

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Speaker 1: We do have it. Okay, here we go. I'll give

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00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: you some playtime percentages. Okay, folks, this is always healthful.

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Speaker 1: You know how much certain guys are on the field,

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00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: um over the course of the game, and go offense

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00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: or defense first, Let's go defense. Sean Chandler was on

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: the field for seventies six percent of the plays, Julian

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Speaker 1: Love for sixty six percent. Those are by far the

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Speaker 1: too highest. Corey Ballentine pent DeAndre Baker for um. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Lather and Ryan Conley was on the field forty

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Speaker 1: percent of the snaps. McIntosh. Of the snaps, Zimenez played

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Speaker 1: twenty six defensive snaps thirty seven percent. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: think he was out there that much. To be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I guess he was. Dexter Lawrence I do

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Speaker 1: not think played that many snaps. Yeah, he only played six.

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Speaker 1: Tom Winson played six. B J. Hill play nine, Befey

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Speaker 1: played ten, Peppers played. Jenkins played on that. Sorry, that's

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Speaker 1: John Jenkins, that's d T. Jenkins was corner Jenkins there

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Speaker 1: you know he played thirteen. Michael Thomas played overall offensively

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, the backup Salaco of the snaps, Evan

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Speaker 1: Brown two slade eighty one gates eighty one. By the way,

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: he had the three penalty gates. The first one was nonsense.

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00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: I looked at on the on tape. He did not

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Speaker 1: commit holding. They used a ton of second team offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Those are the guys who played the most of anybody

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Speaker 1: in the game. Well, especially at tackle Paul there were

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Speaker 1: no third team offensive have enough guys otherwise, Alonzo Russell,

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Speaker 1: I heard they they might have. Reggie White led all

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Speaker 1: wide receivers with thirty six snaps fifty eight percent. Alonzo

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Speaker 1: Russell was at T. J. Jones Conrad played of the snaps. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we didn't mention the running back position. Paul Perkins led

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Speaker 1: the running backs and snaps with thirty nine percent to

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00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: game for Perkins, he did not fumble on a drop pass.

784
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Speaker 1: Did not help himself and folks, look, I'm a big

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Speaker 1: Paul Perkins guy, so I'm gonna tell you I'm flat

786
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: out disappointed what happened with him last night. What we

787
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: know is this, there is gonna be a tremendous battle

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Speaker 1: for the backup running back positions, whether Gallman sticks, Perkins

789
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Speaker 1: sticks Rod Smith, uh, Penny Hilliman Hilliman. Now with the

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Speaker 1: concussion protocol, I don't know how much that's going to

791
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: set him back. But the Giants still have to figure

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Speaker 1: out if they're gonna keep a fullback or keep a

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Speaker 1: swing back. Uh. This is this is really gonna come

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Speaker 1: down to John. I believe the guys who simply outperformed

795
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: the other guys. I don't think the Giants are gonna

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00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: be married to a three one split or a four

797
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: oh backfield. I think it's really going to come down

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Speaker 1: to who earns the spots, regardless of what positions that

799
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: they really are best suited for two one four or

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Speaker 1: five one three. I promise you I will get to

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Speaker 1: your tweets at hashtag Giants chap. But we stay heavy

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Speaker 1: in Florida. Today we go to Ramon, who's in Orlando. Hello, Ramon,

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00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: we're good man. A question. I just so much talk

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00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones. You know my manning. You know, we

805
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: all know at the end of day it's gonna be eli.

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Speaker 1: I don't see them putting putting in Daniel Jones Denis

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Speaker 1: the Giants go oh and nine, I did the fans

808
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: don't want him if they want Eli, So do you

809
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: guys think he's gonna play uh this season if the

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00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: Giants do bad? And one more question, why was t J.

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Speaker 1: Jones win number two? And so was the Giants kick

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Speaker 1: awing number two? I didn't understand that, No, Ramon, that's

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00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: actually a good question, and a couple of our fans

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00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: asked me that question too on Twitter last night. In

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00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: training camp, there's so many players, and there are retired

816
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: numbers for the Giants, so you have to have some

817
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: players that have the same numbers. Uh. The rule is

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Speaker 1: obviously that they can't be on the field at the

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Speaker 1: same time. So if you have an offensive player and

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Speaker 1: a defensive player that have the same number, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: If you have, for example, twenty three is I have

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Speaker 1: believe both on offensive defense. If I'm not mistaken, right,

823
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: Paul the Sam Beale and John Hilliman both wear running

824
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Speaker 1: back in the cornerback and Rose Sauce and Jones both

825
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: wearing number two. So you will get repeated numbers that way, Ramont.

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Speaker 1: That can happen the season two, just just the preseason games, Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you veryone. Appreciate the call. Man UH and B

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Speaker 1: should answer his question about the quarterback. I'll give my

829
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Speaker 1: normal spiel. This is ailin man and keeps Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: off the field. He plays well in the team wins games.

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Speaker 1: If he those those those does those two things, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones ain't gonna get on the field this year. If

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Speaker 1: the Giants are eliminated for playoff contention, or if Eli

834
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: Manny was playing poorly, then the equation changes. Just for

835
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Speaker 1: his example, if the Giants are oh and nine, I

836
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Speaker 1: would be very comfortable saying I bet we'll see Daniel

837
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Speaker 1: Jones on the field at some point there. I think

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00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: that's fair to say. But I don't think that's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. You know what fair? Oh? Absolutely, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I I'd just like to give this whole topic arrest

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00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest with you. That's why when the

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00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: fans call, I give my chain answer and move on.

843
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: You know, um, you can move on if you want. Yeah,

844
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Speaker 1: see to me. The more interesting quarterback question is how

845
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Speaker 1: many and who? No, it's not about the one and two.

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00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: We know who the one and two are. Yeah, I

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00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: remember we had that confram. We're having conversations back in

848
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Speaker 1: May about whether or not Jones be the backup par

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Speaker 1: and oh yeah, yes, he's the two, you know, for

850
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: all the guys out there, Landing Charlie and all of

851
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: our regular guys, Joe and all you all your fellows

852
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: out there. You know, we we were debating how quickly

853
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: would Jones elevate to number two? And I was like, well,

854
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: if it takes him a month into the regular season,

855
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: that's okay. It happen. It happened in June. It didn't

856
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: take that long. It didn't take that long because the

857
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: arrow went right up to the top, just like that.

858
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: And it's much more about what's happening up here than

859
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: it is what's happening over here. That's me pointing in

860
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: my head and arm about So mu's much more going

861
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: on in the head. And and you know what, good

862
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: for him because he has shown everything he's needed to

863
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: show to be elevated to number two. Let's go to

864
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: Marco in Connecticut. He'll be next online three. What's up Marco? Hey, guys,

865
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: tell are you great? Marco? What's up? A couple of

866
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: quick things, Um, I called John, I called Paul on Monday.

867
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: I gave my Bowl tradiction. Um, I think Dexter Lawrence

868
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a pro bowler this year. Okay,

869
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: I like that. I'm sure they put it up on

870
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: the board. It is, I see it there. Yeah, that's

871
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: right here. Um, just one thing about the quarterback thing.

872
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: I called about the defense, but I I think, um

873
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: that really, I mean, like it's it's tiring of hearing

874
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: about it now, but it's really it's Sherman is gonna

875
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: have to handle the distraction because he's going to get

876
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: asked about it all the time, and unfortunately every day,

877
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately for Eli. I mean, if he makes

878
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: one error or like one bad patch or like now

879
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: he's not even looking, if he's not looking down field

880
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: at Red Elephant, they're asked about it. Which it's it's

881
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hopefully something can get under control

882
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: with that. But that's just one go ahead. Here's the thing.

883
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: If Eli steps on the crack in the sidewalk, yeah,

884
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be screaming that there should be a quarterback competition.

885
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: That that's how bad it's gotten. Um. Hey, I want

886
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: to ask you guys though about Jones specifically before the draft,

887
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: when we didn't know who the Giants were gonna be

888
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: taking at six. You guys are looking at all different

889
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: types of players. And then I was wondering, now that

890
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: he's been in house and you've had to go a

891
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: chance to go back and look, has your thoughts about

892
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: him pre draft changed at all from what you've seen

893
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: in person and now like what you've been able to

894
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: go back and look at on tape, has anything changed

895
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: or are you seeing things that you had team you

896
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: know previously. Here's the difference we're now seeing him in person.

897
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: I never saw Daniel Jones in person before, never watch

898
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: the practice, never actually sat uh in the stands or

899
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: or stood on the sidelines to watch him in the game.

900
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: This is this is my first live look at him

901
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: and the only time I ever saw him live was

902
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: at practice at the Senior Bowl, and quite frankly, he

903
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: was not good alright. So that so that's number one.

904
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: Perspectives change. This is why scouts and coaches tell you

905
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: they go to games, they go to Senior Bowl week,

906
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: they go you know, to the Combine, they go to

907
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Pro days, because they tell you they want to see

908
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: with their own eyes in front of them what the

909
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: guy brings to the table. So that's number one. Number two,

910
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: I would say Daniel Jones has already begun to improve

911
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: and turn into a pro quarterback just in the short

912
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: time that he has been here. They have already started

913
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: to apply polish to that piece of brass. So he's

914
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: not the same guy he was in December as a

915
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Duke Blue devil, and he was already advancing. And let

916
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: me throw one other thing in there, Marco too, And

917
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: I've made this point over the course of the draft process.

918
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: Jones is a tough scout, and the reason he was

919
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: a tough scout is because he was basically playing with

920
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids that really didn't belong on the

921
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: same field with a lot of the kids that were

922
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: playing against. Not one player that Daniel Jones ever played

923
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: with it duke has been drafted, not an offensive lineman,

924
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: not a receiver, not a tight end, not a running back,

925
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: no one. So he was constantly getting harassed by the

926
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: pass rush. His receivers are trouble again open. His receivers

927
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: dropped a ton of passes, So I think that in

928
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: some ways made him a little bit more difficult for

929
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: a layman like me and Paul and I as much

930
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: as work we do, we're still layman. We're not We're

931
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: not scouts, we're not coaches. So I think it's harder.

932
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: It makes it harder for us, But I think the

933
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: people that do it for a living do a better

934
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: job of seeing through some of the smoke and the

935
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: fog that's caused by what's going on around him to

936
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: get a better evaluation of the plant. I would say

937
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: one thing, want go to just close off this topic.

938
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: In the fifteen minutes that I got to experience conversation

939
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones at the Combine, I really got a

940
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: good feel. I have reporters instinct. I could pretty much

941
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: tell a lot about a person just in terms of

942
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: interaction when I sit and talk with them and I

943
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: look into their eyes and so forth and so on.

944
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: I got a real good vibe that everything that was

945
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: said about him being the missing Manning brother was true. Well,

946
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: he is that guy. Everything that I thought about Daniel

947
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: Jones when I met him at the Combine and and

948
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: spoke with him for a good period of time has

949
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: held true. That is who he is, and that is

950
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: a plus. In no way is that disappointing. That is

951
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: a feather in his cap. Yeah, so that's great to hear.

952
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: And I even in one drive last night. Uh, it

953
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: was fun. And it's also fun to hear some of

954
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: the people that had such instant reactions, um kind of

955
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: backpedal a little bit and say whoa. But you know

956
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: that that's the issue too, is like not only do

957
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: they backpedal off their initial reactions, they instantly have to

958
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: pivot to there's a there's a quarterback controversy. So yeah,

959
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: but hey, thanks for taking me through that, guys. I'll

960
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: give you a call next week. I appreciate it. Mark.

961
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: Always good to hear from you. And you know, look,

962
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: if you thought something and you get new information or

963
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: seeing new things that make you change your mind, that's okay,

964
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. That's what That's how the world

965
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: should operate. New information should make people change their mind

966
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: about things. That's also how weathermen operate. However, however, let

967
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: me add this. The problem that you run into is

968
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: the amount of surety that people project about prospects in general.

969
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: I how they know exactly what these guys are gonna be.

970
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: And if somebody doesn't see that player exactly like they do,

971
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: they're an idiot. But you know this person is a genius.

972
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: Guys valuing these guys, Yeah, maybe there are ways to

973
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: do things where you're wrong more than you're you're you're

974
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: right more than you're wrong. No one's ever perfect. It's

975
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: not how it works. So I just wish sometimes people

976
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more humble in how they

977
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: project their opinions and how these players are gonna turn out,

978
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: because really none of us know. We might have an idea,

979
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: but there are outliers all the time. Are they frequent, No,

980
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: but there are outliers. So I just feel like when

981
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: people I want people to express their opinions, that's great,

982
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: but just be a little bit humble and understand that

983
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: maybe you don't know quite as much as you think

984
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: you do, and you're not as sure as you think

985
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: you are about these never built the perfect GM or

986
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: the perfect scout. Those guys don't exist. So those guys

987
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: want to be perfect. How the people at home that

988
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: have just the less of the resource is gonna be

989
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: the Only thing I will say is that you use

990
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: your knowledge and your experience and you put that to

991
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: the best use you possibly can, and then you have

992
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: conviction in what you believe. And I do believe that

993
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: part of it is very true, John, because if you

994
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: don't have conviction in what your knowledge and experience tell you,

995
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: then you wishy washy, and then there's just no point

996
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: in you even even being heard from. And you know

997
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: that's why. Look, I know that there are a lot

998
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: of folks out there who don't necessarily care for for

999
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: my style or what I do, but haven't been around

1000
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: for thirty seven years. I certainly have a lot of

1001
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: knowledge and a lot of experience, and I'm gonna give

1002
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: you a very strong opinion because I think it's important, uh,

1003
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: to give you conviction behind what I see and what

1004
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: I believe. It's foolish for me to just throw up

1005
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: my hands and say I don't know maybe. I mean,

1006
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: if that's really the case, I'll tell you that. But

1007
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that very often from me, because

1008
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm doing you a vis by just

1009
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: throwing on. Anybody can throw up their hands and say

1010
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't know maybe, or be wishy washy. That's that's

1011
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: not what That's not what people need or want to hear,

1012
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: because they're coming to folks who can give them a

1013
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: substantial opinion that is based on knowledge and experience, and

1014
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: if you don't like it, that's okay. You don't have

1015
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: to like it, but at least show some conviction. Show

1016
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: is spine. If you have knowledge and experience, put it

1017
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: to use. Don't just stand there and say I don't

1018
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: know or maybe this, maybe that. But at the same time,

1019
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: you shouldn't cling to your opinion when new information comes available,

1020
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: no question to realize you're wrong and then understand why

1021
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: you were wrong. You have to process the correct informa. Hey,

1022
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: I had Little Manual getting cut in the first cut

1023
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: when he was a Giant's rookie wide receiver, and what happened.

1024
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: Liono Manual turned out to have several good years with

1025
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: the Giants. Feel Sam was very happy to have him

1026
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: in his passing game. I've made mistakes. I'm the first

1027
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: one who admitted I didn't want the Giants to draft

1028
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. I've said that too. Well. They didn't draft him,

1029
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: they Tradedili Rivers deal. I wanted them to keep Carry

1030
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: Collins and now I'm one of Eli Manning's biggest supporters.

1031
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: So you talk about changing when you have to, because

1032
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: the evidence says, hey, wake up, look at this. It's

1033
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: time you get on board, because this is the smart

1034
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: way to go. And I just think that my point

1035
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to make is that you have an

1036
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: opinion on a prospect coming out and you think he's

1037
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: going to be this. You state that opinion strongly. You'll

1038
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: explain why. But when all is said and done, until

1039
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: the guy should gets on the field, it's an opinion

1040
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: and it's not a guarantee that your opinion is going

1041
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: to be right. And I think a lot of people

1042
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: sometimes believe the scouting reports that they read before the

1043
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: draft are written in stone, and the player will play

1044
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: to that scouting report as though it's written, as though

1045
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: it's history and not a projection. Is my point, The

1046
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: evidence in the facts have to be allowed to change

1047
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: your opinion. That's the bottom line, Charlie, and Portland Maine

1048
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: is our next Charlie. Hey, guys, what a segue? Humble,

1049
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: not wishy? She has conviction? Oh my god, thank you

1050
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: for that. But but Charlie, we left out a key word.

1051
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: How about insane? Perfect? Go right ahead? Hey, look, you know,

1052
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: let's not put Daniel Jones in the Hall of Fame

1053
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: yet five passes? Correct? I think he played like maybe

1054
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: five minutes. Let's see him play a whole game. And

1055
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: because you know the hour is pointing up, in the

1056
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: next preseason games might be pointing down. H Charlie, you

1057
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: cannot be more right. For once you're actually the voice

1058
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: of reason. I can't believe that in the thing is said,

1059
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: it's I saw some site and what they do is

1060
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: they figure out what the separation rate is for wide

1061
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: receivers against their opponents. And the Giants wide receiver separation

1062
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: was not very good. It was like one point nine four,

1063
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: which is pretty tight. This was last year, No, that

1064
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: was in this game, this preseason game. Well, you know what, Charlie,

1065
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: say this though, if if if that's true and I

1066
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: didn't see the chart, if that's true, what does that

1067
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: say about these quarterbacks who all through the extremely well

1068
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: that yeah, they put it, they put it exactly where

1069
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: they needed to. But are they going to do that

1070
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: all the time when they have a pass rush running

1071
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: down their throat, which they didn't really have this game,

1072
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: because like you said, it was dona. So to me,

1073
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: it's like that's a little worried to me on the

1074
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: wide receivers that they're not getting you know, a you know,

1075
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: good cushion. It's so tight they're not getting getting you know,

1076
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: off the defenders. A well, well, remember something, know, remember something,

1077
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: the improved offensive line, and you had to like the

1078
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: pass pro from that first string offensive line last night.

1079
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: They were not very good at pass pro. We discussed

1080
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: that already, We've already told you that. But the pass

1081
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: pro was really solid and that allows your receivers more

1082
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: time to do their work and quite frankly, it also

1083
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: allows your quarterback to take more time to pick out

1084
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: the right guy. I mean, there's there was such a

1085
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: domino effect when you improve your offensive line that it's

1086
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: so far reaching and it improves your team to so

1087
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: many levels that you really have to put a tremendous

1088
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: amount of value in that. Oh yeah, it's definitely. And

1089
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: the thing is though, but the other thing is if

1090
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: we can't run the ball, you know, consistently, then jumping

1091
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: on our on our passenger. Remember Broccoley didn't play last night,

1092
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: Just remember that time. Yeah, I mean, I know, this

1093
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: is the first preseason game. This is like nothing is

1094
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: like a second in uh in the you know, in

1095
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: a football season, you know what I mean. So I

1096
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: can't get too high on any of them. Or too.

1097
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: You know, I was glad to see Carlot though do

1098
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: what he did. I I thought he was an athlete

1099
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: when I when I saw him when we picked him up.

1100
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: And I think it's great if we can find a

1101
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: guy like that that can do something that will be uh,

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00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: that will be an inspiration for our linebacking corps in

1103
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: UH secondary. I think you know, they made their mistakes

1104
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: their rookies. Um, the miscommunication bothers me because I knew.

1105
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: I know it's early, but you know that's something they

1106
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: should have had pretty much together and uh in summer

1107
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: camp practice. It takes a lot longer than that. Come on,

1108
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: be fair, It's gonna take a lot longer for the

1109
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: communication to be as smooth as butter. Seriously, you can't.

1110
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: You can't tell me you expected that in game one

1111
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: of the pre season, I didn't effect to see Jim

1112
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: Peppers like chasing the mariety of land in college. Obviously,

1113
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: Charlie's a Beatles fan from the sixties. All right, Charlie,

1114
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: you appreciate it. Have a good weekend to coach Marvin

1115
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: and Delaware is up next. They coach coach going once. Actually,

1116
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: you don't, Coach will take you last, let's go to

1117
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: Nick in Pennsylvania. First. What's up, Nick? What's going on?

1118
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: What's up? Nick? Yes? Nick, you're on? All right, I'm

1119
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: on now, Yes you are. Hello, welcome to the show.

1120
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: I be going good. Alright. So all my friends like,

1121
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: right when uh, right when the Gentleman or right one,

1122
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones got drafted, everybody always like everybody jumped right

1123
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: on him uh and said like, oh I hate gentleman,

1124
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: he's a terrible general manager. Um. And especially after the

1125
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: adult trade. Um. But like I always defended Gentleman through

1126
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: it because first of all, like I don't know, because

1127
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: we don't know actually if the deal trade was entirely

1128
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: Gentleman's decision. So I think it's really unfair fans to

1129
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: uh to just put everything of the Gentleman trade right

1130
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: on gentleman real quick, just real quick. The Beckham trade

1131
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: was gentleman. John Mara basically said in a press conference

1132
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: that Gentleman had to convince him to do the trade,

1133
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: so that that that was gentleman's move. Okay, anyway, continue

1134
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: go ahead, and he'll stand by it by absolutely. And

1135
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: but the thing about that is we don't know the

1136
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: entire story behind why Dell had to get trade. That's

1137
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: true locker room. So I think there's so much more that,

1138
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: Like you can't just jump right on Gentleman because for

1139
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: a player personnel move, maybe it doesn't make the most sense,

1140
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: but from a locker so, I think there's so much

1141
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: more to that. And then none of my friends watched

1142
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: any scoutings, not watch like actual tape on uh the

1143
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: game tape on Daniel Jones. None of them like really

1144
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: like watch like right into everything they really just saw

1145
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: was on social media. And I think that's what a

1146
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: lot of Giants fans like why Gentleman got so much hated,

1147
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Like we just saw always on social media, so always

1148
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: on the internet. And then because Daniel Jones wasn't ranked

1149
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: as high as the other quarterback, everybody assumed right away

1150
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: as a bad pick um. And then everybody's like, oh,

1151
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: he could have waived to get him at seventeen, Which

1152
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: that's probably the thing I was most upset about, is

1153
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: like we traded away O'Dell got that seventeam pick and

1154
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: then we didn't use that to get Daniel Jones. But

1155
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: then I think, I think you've got to take so

1156
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: much more into account, like we definitely needed a quarterback

1157
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: and they didn't. They definitely did their due diligence on

1158
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: on drafting him, and if they thought he was the

1159
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: right then I was gonna I was gonna wait to

1160
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: see until he put on a giant uniforms actual because

1161
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: then I think, Nick, sounds like your phone's crapping out

1162
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: of us. Buddy, Thanks for the call. We appreciate it.

1163
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: Give us a callback next show. We'll make sure we

1164
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: get you on right away, battery. Let's wrap up the

1165
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: show with Coach Marvin and Delare and I will take

1166
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: your tweets before we say goodbye to coach. Hello, John Paul,

1167
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: Do you hear me? Sorry about that before? That was

1168
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: my fault. What's going on? Uh? Real quick? I just

1169
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: wanted to throw what Charlie saying about the secondary real

1170
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: quick because uh, I think it being upset with them.

1171
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: Um not communicating well in the preseason game is kind

1172
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: of asine. Ums. A season game is to make those

1173
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: directions out, So that's why I mean, I'd rather than

1174
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: do it now than in the regular season. So they're

1175
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: definitely learning. And on the defensive side, I did love

1176
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: calm Ley. I thought he played a very good game.

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01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: Uh at the linebackers. Um. My other comment was about

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. I already talked to Paul earlier in the week.

1179
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: What I was looking for from him, my evaluations of him,

1180
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 1: my figure listening to you guys, that he could throw

1181
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: the ball coming out number six overall pick. I think

1182
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: that he could throw across all over the fields. So

1183
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: that wasn't they Still My thing was can he processed

1184
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: what he sees? I thought, even though it was simple

1185
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: defense that they were playing against a couple of three,

1186
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: looked like they were playing a lot from the church,

1187
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: he still was doing a good job of his reading,

1188
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: his anticipation. Um, his throws was right on time. Um.

1189
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: He made a couple of throws where guys was able

1190
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: to catch the ball and keep running in their routes.

1191
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: I picked up they did a off theo where he

1192
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: hit um tate and I mean um, yet fate right

1193
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: across coming across on the plant when he was able

1194
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: to keep running as he crossed the ball, and he

1195
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: threw that in between some linebackers when he made that throw.

1196
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: So he made some excellence throw and then most outstanding

1197
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: one was the touchdown pass. Was from where I was watching,

1198
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even know he completed it until he put

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01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: his hands up that that's what it was. So Um,

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01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: I was impressed with that. He's still got a lot

1201
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: to learn. There is no quarterback controversy. It's gonna be

1202
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: elot for all the people that's listening. The only thing

1203
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: way he's going to get in the game. The John's

1204
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: are blowing somebody out or they getting blown out, and

1205
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: they feel like, let's get to get a chance to

1206
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: get any good. The seat weet a little bit, but

1207
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he's going to be started. And that's

1208
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: about all he's gonna be, probably playing until he determined

1209
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: Spoin that time is gonna come. Bro. Coach Marvin, can

1210
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: I ask you one question before you go. We're running

1211
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: out of time, but I do want to ask you

1212
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: something because I know it was a long time coach,

1213
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: you will appreciate this question. When you looked at Daniel Jones,

1214
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: how much did you enjoy watching his body language? Because

1215
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: that tells you a lot, and to me, he looked

1216
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: like he belonged well. As you said, I want to

1217
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: say that talked about that earlier. Um. I scouted when

1218
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: I was just um doing high school, before I became

1219
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: a head coach. I was doing some scouting for the

1220
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: high school. I'm not a pro at it, but I

1221
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: do know scouting and body language is very important and

1222
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: too ball because it tells a lot what you want

1223
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: to do if your receiver. At times I always told

1224
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: my receivers your body language. Sometimes you can give away

1225
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: your routes running a plant. You can be leaning in

1226
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: that way. So body language and not sense body language

1227
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: in the sense of are you skilled, goody language, are

1228
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: you nervous? Those things play a role. He could not

1229
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: come out like that. He was somebody that I did

1230
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: not expect to see because again, I'm going to admit you.

1231
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: I was talking about admitting, uh if not to say

1232
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: if we was wrong, but our opinion was wrong. I

1233
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: didn't think Daniel Jones was to pick at number six.

1234
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: He looked like a number six. Pick about six. He

1235
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: came out. He was confident in what he was doing.

1236
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: Looks like from what I heard in the huddle, he

1237
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: was talking, very confident in what he was saying. And

1238
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: that's been well. People never talk about what bows. You

1239
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: have to have control of that huddle. When you step

1240
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: in there, you let those guys know that you are

1241
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: the one that's leading, and he was leading, and you

1242
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: can see the body language in it, and you want

1243
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: to know how language was rubbed off from the other guys.

1244
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, coach Marvin. We gotta run pal Yeah, good stuff,

1245
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. I want to get a couple of tweets,

1246
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: real fast, go, it's time for tweets. Let's giants, all right,

1247
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: Ben drew In, I know the p I challenge who

1248
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: get brought up today? What if the penalty video review

1249
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: was only allowed to be played at normal speed, no

1250
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: slow motion? It should be viewed at the same speed

1251
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: the officials se alive, the obvious fouls would still be obvious.

1252
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. Slow it down and you

1253
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: can still see whether or not something is obvious or

1254
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: there's a significant hindrance. I'm not a big fan of

1255
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: of changing a call based on a slow motion replay,

1256
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: which alters your perception of the play. Yeah, but would

1257
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: you have seen him hold the guy's arm down if

1258
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: wasn't for slow motion? Right? I think it's opening up

1259
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: a can of worms that I'm not comfortable with. No,

1260
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: but you agreed that that call she had been called

1261
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: defensive pass interference last night, right that I agree with

1262
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: so what happens on fast motion? You don't see him

1263
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: hold the arm down. The problem is, in principle, we're

1264
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: still opening up a can of worms that I don't

1265
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: think is very good. I gotta give you a question

1266
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: on your guy, Clayton Harding Conrad look good. Blocking made

1267
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: two catches in traffic. Your thoughts. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a pass according to the past fail requirement that we

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Speaker 1: indicated before. All right, I think that's good. Excellent job

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Speaker 1: the scenes. We'll see tomorrow, right, not to wait. Today's Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday and camp days don't matter. We'll see it Monday. Everybody,

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