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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: we're watching Bellair. So, the season one finally wrapped up

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Speaker 1: how the season progressed after we recap those first couple

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Speaker 1: you would start by telling us what were your thoughts

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Speaker 1: about the remainder of the season. When I tell y'all,

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Speaker 1: I hooped in Holland when I saw Marlon Wayans as

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Speaker 1: That was probably one of my favorite things from the

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Speaker 1: final episode. Yeah, that's really interesting because the season finale came,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey just poofed. He was gone. I hope to see

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Speaker 1: But you're right, I do think there will be some adjustment,

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Speaker 1: his birthday, and so there's like this weird competition around,

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00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: like who gives Will the best gift? And then we

433
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: find out that a part of the story at least

434
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: is that it seems like Will's mom was like the

435
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: caretaker for their mom, right, and then on Viv left

436
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: and went to California. So in some ways I feel like,

437
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: again back to this resentment word. There was some resentment

438
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: from Will's mom towards on Vill for being the primary

439
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: one who took care of their mom while she was sick.

440
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: But it also feels like there's something else maybe going

441
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: on there. It definitely feels like there's something else going on,

442
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: and I feel like it has to be related to

443
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 1: Will's dad. But I think it was very interesting to

444
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 1: see Will and Carlton have this tension and now we

445
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: know both of their moms do and to a degree,

446
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: some of the root of the tension is this jealousy

447
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: that you can have, like over a family member, over

448
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: your sibling. It seems like Will's mom has this resentment

449
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: to on Viv, like, Okay, you got to live I

450
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: don't want to say a fuller life, but you got

451
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: to do your art stuff. You moved to bel Air,

452
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: You're now like super rich, and I'm over here taking

453
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: care of our mom, living in Philly. Our lives are

454
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: so different. But it also looks like it's stung for

455
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: her to see on Viv give Will like these shoes

456
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: that he really loved and kind of like upstage her.

457
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: And I say that like in quotes, because it's a gift.

458
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: It's not that deep, you'll always be his mom. But

459
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: it does seem like jealousy is like a really big

460
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: theme in the show, and it's interesting how they do

461
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: it with like more adolescent characters within older characters as well. Well.

462
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: What we learned about Uncle Pield's involvement with Will's father

463
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: is that he was his legal representation. I miss okay,

464
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: that okay, that makes sense. And then there could even

465
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: be like more resentment because it's like, you didn't give

466
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: me all, you did not do your job well enough.

467
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: I really like what you said at least, and I'll

468
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: add to that, it seems like the resentment is being

469
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: passed down through generations but kind of swapped. So Will's

470
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: mom has resentment towards Carlton's mom, and now Carlton has

471
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: resentment towards Will. I think it's really beautiful that you

472
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: brought that up. Yeah, And in some ways I feel

473
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: like the kids did a better job of having a

474
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: conversation about it than the adults, right, because it feels

475
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: like Will and Carlton were able to have an honest conversation,

476
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: you know, Carlton shared all the stuff it brought up

477
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: for him. Seeing Will kind of become so popular on

478
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: campus and it felt like he had worked really hard

479
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: and was under all this pressure. So I feel like

480
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: they had a really good conversation about it, whereas it

481
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: seems like it was difficult for on viving her sister

482
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: to have that same kind of a conversation. I mean,

483
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: I think they kind of started it, but in a

484
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: lot of ways, it felt like the kids had a

485
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: more mature conversation about jealousy and resentment in that kind

486
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: of thing than the adults did. I mean, it's got

487
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: to be hard, and I feel like our audience, particularly

488
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: with the ages that they're at, it must be hard,

489
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: because it does seem like in a lot of families

490
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: there's one person who gets assigned to take care of

491
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: your parents and the other people what send money or

492
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: they come in for a couple of hours every couple

493
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: of days. But I have many friends who's their parents

494
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: have been the assignee and it's hard and it's a lot.

495
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: And then to see somebody in a mansion when you

496
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: seen them, and I think what really honeded in for

497
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: me is when Will said, when he was very emotional

498
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: after speaking with his father, He's like, I had not

499
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: seen you all for twelve years, and I feel like

500
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: that to me is all so what his mother is feeling.

501
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: You know, you're taking care of my kid for a

502
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: couple of months now, you want him to stay here.

503
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: You hadn't come to see him in twelve years. And

504
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: the family dynamics are just so relatable because you know,

505
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: you think about your family members and maybe you haven't

506
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: seen and you care about them, you love them, of course,

507
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: but maybe you're not able to see them or maybe

508
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: it's just not top of mind, and what does that

509
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: mean then as a family member. So a huge part

510
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: of this season, and especially the letter half of the season,

511
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: was all around this struggle that Will was having around

512
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: wanting to know his dad, you know, Jeffrey finally getting

513
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: this information, but then him not really wanting to open

514
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: the envelope and feeling like, Okay, maybe my life would

515
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: be better if I just don't know. And then Marlon

516
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: Layon's who is his dad? Pops up in bel air

517
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: and then Carlton tells Will like, hey, your dad was

518
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: actually here today, you might want to actually open this envelope.

519
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: And so it definitely feels like there was a lot

520
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: of like tension kind of building up to the moment

521
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: at which we meet his dad. But it definitely feels

522
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: like opened up just a ton of stuff for Will

523
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: about like who he is, what does this mean? Why

524
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: didn't you want me? You know, if we go back

525
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: to the original Fresh Prince, that heartbreaking conversation he had

526
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: with Uncle Phil at the time about why doesn't my

527
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: dad loved me? Kind of thing, right, it definitely feels

528
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: like this reimagining tapped into some of that. And so

529
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: we see at the end of the finale that we

530
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: are not sure whether Will is actually going to stay

531
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: in Valet or not. He's considering whether he even wants

532
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: to be here because he feels like people have kept

533
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: this speaking from him and he just doesn't know if

534
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: this is actually the move for him anymore. What did

535
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: you all think about Will's journey around reconnecting with his

536
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: dad and then what we saw once he finally met him.

537
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: When Marlon Wayne's character said, well, I tried, and now

538
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: he has to live with this. I was just thinking, man,

539
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: this man needs to listen to therapy for black girls

540
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: because somebody heard him. He was not the bigger person

541
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: in that scenario at all, but I also felt his

542
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: pain as well, Like this is the worst case scenario.

543
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: To meet your child for the first time. How humbling

544
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: it must feel to have to tell somebody where you've been,

545
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: what you've been through, and then for them to tell

546
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: you that you ain't asking, you're a nobody. And at

547
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: the same time, as well as saying this, he has

548
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: to remember biologically that he is related to this man.

549
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: So everything he's saying about him, I don't want him

550
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: to eternalize and think that he's a nobody, or that

551
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: he's no good, or that he's not destined for great things.

552
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: It was really sad to watch. It was very heartbreaking

553
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: to watch just being so young and wanting answers and

554
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of knowing that the answers are out there. Even

555
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: in his conversations with his mom, you can definitely see

556
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: that every time he's left with more questions and answers

557
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: because she's very vague, and so I would say that

558
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: was a bit heartbreaking. Even in the moments we didn't

559
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: know who his father was, you can tell this is

560
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: almost like a missing part of him. He's asking do

561
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: I look like him? Like? What traits did I get

562
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: from him? And so there's kind of this big question mark.

563
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: Voting over his life, and once he did meet him,

564
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: it was a really tent and like heated exchange. But

565
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't think Will's father came there with the understanding

566
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: that he does not know you, and he has not

567
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: known you, and he does not know the situation at all.

568
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: I think to a degree, he came there with this

569
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: expectation that showing up is a lot of the work,

570
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: just being there and making the introduction, which is great,

571
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: and the effort is respected. At the end of the day,

572
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: what is Will seventeen? He's you know, practically an adult.

573
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: And some of the things that would work on like

574
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: a smaller child if they're meeting their parents for the

575
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: first time or their parent is incarcerated, or just like

576
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: a way is not gonna work on a seventeen year

577
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: old young man. And so it was really interesting to

578
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: see that tension because Will, to a degree, he is

579
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: grown and he has his own opinions on the situation,

580
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: his own frustration. It's not like you can just buy

581
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: your way or sweet talk your way back into his life.

582
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: And I don't think his father really understood that, and

583
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: I think that's why the exchange got more heated than

584
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: it needed to be. M Yeah, there definitely was a

585
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: switch at some point during the conversation, right, because at

586
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: first it was awkward and like, okay, we're feeling each

587
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: other out. It feels like it really escalated after his

588
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: dad trying to like poke at his mom, right, and

589
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't remember exactly what he said, but

590
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, Will got very defensive because she was all

591
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: he had, right, So any slight against his mom, of

592
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: course he's going to feel very defensive about and protective

593
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: of because she was all he had. So I think

594
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: that's was the turning point in the conversation, at which

595
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: point they like stood up and got in each other's face,

596
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: so that it feels like it's really what was the

597
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: turning point in that conversation. To go back to your

598
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: earlier point, Dr Joy with Will his journey about whether

599
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: or not he wants to be in bel Air. When

600
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I finished the episode, I thought to myself, am I

601
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: gonna want to watch this show if it's based in

602
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and if it's based in a different socio economic

603
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: background because a part of the glitz and glam of

604
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: the Fresh Prince of Bellair and now the reimagining Bellair,

605
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: is that they're a wealthy family to be determined if

606
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, And a part of me feels like, of

607
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: course he's gonna stay in bell Air because the show

608
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: is called bell Air. So I don't know how we're

609
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna have this like multi city thing going on, like

610
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: still following him in Philadelphia and then oh, what's happening

611
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: with the family? Right? You know? It could be that

612
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: we see in the beginning of season to him kind

613
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: of maybe back home in Philly for a little while,

614
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: but then making the decision to return. I'm not quite sure,

615
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: but something in me is saying it's not gonna be

616
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: completely you know, in two cities because the show is

617
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: called Bellair. But who knows? Who knows? I also thought

618
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: when the series, like it just ended like you didn't

619
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: know anything that happened. But because this is a reimagining

620
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: and more dramatic, they have added this new kind of

621
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: decision that we did not see in the Fresh Prince

622
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: of bel Air, right, And so I'm curious to see

623
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: like where they take it and what is going to

624
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: be Will thinking as we kind of get to season two,

625
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: to see how they're gonna show him wrestling with whether

626
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: he stayed there, whether he goes. Yes, that is very interesting,

627
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: and like you said, Dr Joy, it's called bell Air,

628
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: so he'll probably end up in bell Air one way

629
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: or another. It'll be interesting to see in season two

630
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: how his relationship with his mom will carry on, because

631
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: from what my understanding is that the guy who was

632
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: chasing after him died, right, and so to a degree,

633
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: he can go back to Philly, you know, with that

634
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: option on the table, and then you tell your mom like, no,

635
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: I want to stay in bell Air, Like how does

636
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: she feel? How does that change your relationship? I'm also

637
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: really curious to see how he in future seasons maintains

638
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: like a relationship with the city, because we know his

639
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: friend came to bell Air and things really do go well.

640
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: It's not funny, but that was like a little shocking

641
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: because that was like his man's and they were super close,

642
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: and to see that not paying out in the greatest

643
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: way to be interesting to see how the show kind

644
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: of ties in his relationship with his mom. Yeah, I

645
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: agree with it. So something else we haven't touched on

646
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: is the progression that we see with Hillary, specifically with

647
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Speaker 1: her relationship with Jazz, which we know in the Fresh

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Speaker 1: Prince was like they tease, and I think that they

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Speaker 1: did eventually dated at some point in Fresh Prince, but

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Speaker 1: that has happened very early here in this reimagining more

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Speaker 1: from our conversation about bel Air after the break, and

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Speaker 1: so we see that Hillary goes to move into this

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Speaker 1: influence our house and then has to make some decisions

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Speaker 1: about like how to get her numbers up right, her

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Speaker 1: engagements on Instagram, and make some decisions that she isn't

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Speaker 1: super proud of and wants to kind of change course.

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Speaker 1: And so we see her kind of out there, still

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Speaker 1: kind of figuring out how to maneuver in life and

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Speaker 1: not involving her parents, right, So, I think she's really

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Speaker 1: trying to set herself up in terms of like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be my own adult, I'm going to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to handle things without them. I really have

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Speaker 1: loved seeing like how Jazz has become like a support

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Speaker 1: person for her. Right So when she feels like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to go handle the situation, she asked him,

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Speaker 1: will you come with me? Right? So I am enjoying

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Speaker 1: seeing the way that their relationship is kind of progressing

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Speaker 1: throughout the show. In the initial Fresh Prince of bel Air,

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Speaker 1: Jazz was he was wise at times, but I think

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Speaker 1: that this Jazz is consistently giving very sage advice. And

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad when he let Hillary know, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: didn't we come up here to do the opposite of

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Speaker 1: what now you're negotiating for? Where do your morals lie?

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Speaker 1: And even just bringing up the fact to her that

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you do are because you

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Speaker 1: have money, not because you don't have opportunities. Because you

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Speaker 1: have money, you feel like you can make these kinds

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Speaker 1: of choices, But what choices do you actually want to

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Speaker 1: make for yourself? And I feel like Jazz ends up

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Speaker 1: giving Hillary the same advice that her mother gives him.

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Speaker 1: But obviously Jazz as a handsome gentleman, and so it

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Speaker 1: just goes down a bit more smooth when he says it.

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Speaker 1: When Will was looking for Hillary and he called Jazz,

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Speaker 1: or he was looked for Jazz and called Hillary, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was hilarious, and the dynamic of the two

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Speaker 1: of them, I think it's just really the Jazz is

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Speaker 1: the one who really helped Hillary understand that she could

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Speaker 1: have her own business. And I think anytime anyone pours

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Speaker 1: into you in a way that can so drastically change

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Speaker 1: the trajectory of your life and how you be yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's definitely an ideal attribute to having a partner, potential partner.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they exclusive yet, but you know,

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Speaker 1: potential part I think Jazz definitely spoke a lot of

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Speaker 1: wisdom and to Hillary, and to your point, Freda, it

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Speaker 1: did seem like a lot of Hillary's thinking kind of

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Speaker 1: revolved around money, not only the money that she had,

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Speaker 1: but if I do X Y Z, I can make

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Speaker 1: so much money. But it's like, is that really true

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Speaker 1: to who you are? And I think it's in the

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Speaker 1: last two or three episodes, we see her have this

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Speaker 1: relationship with Karachi's character I forgot her name, and she

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Speaker 1: pitches this potential partnership, and it seems like Hillary is

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Speaker 1: kind of starting to understand how to use your network

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Speaker 1: but also be around like like minded people because it

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Speaker 1: seems like the influencer house it really wasn't her people.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, Killery storyline was one of my favorites because

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Speaker 1: I think it touched on a lot that we've talked

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Speaker 1: about in your conversation Dr Joy with Brittany Loose about

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Speaker 1: like creating for you and doing stuff that you want

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Speaker 1: to do as opposed to like what's pitched to you,

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Speaker 1: what's sold to you. And it seems like Hillary is

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Speaker 1: really figuring that out. She's having difficulties with contracts how

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Speaker 1: to get out of that. I thought that was just

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Speaker 1: a really real storyline and it was definitely one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites. But it's also good to seek Jazz coach

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Speaker 1: her to that and then have this friendship being that

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Speaker 1: I think they're both older than Will and still being

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Speaker 1: like young adults and figuring stuff out with them also

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Speaker 1: having this kind of like older wisdom that they can

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Speaker 1: give to each other but also give to like Will.

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Speaker 1: We see Hillary and Ashley chat about different things, So

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Speaker 1: I really liked seeing Hillary's character overall during the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you bring up Ashley, and I think

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Speaker 1: that is something that I would like to see more

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Speaker 1: of next season is a little bit more like story

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Speaker 1: development with Ashley because we kind of see her pop

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Speaker 1: in and out. We had this whole storyline around like

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Speaker 1: her friends and like, yes she attracted to one of

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Speaker 1: her girlfriends and you know, all of that stuff, but

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Speaker 1: it didn't feel like we really followed it anywhere. So

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping in season two, we get a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of Ashley. Any other predictions from either of you

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Speaker 1: other than the ones we've made kind of throughout the conversations.

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Speaker 1: This isn't our prediction. But something that did bother me

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Speaker 1: was somebody planted those drugs and Well's bag and we

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Speaker 1: never got to that because they said they were going

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Speaker 1: to check the camera footage and I was waiting for it.

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Speaker 1: I was ready for something problem but do but do

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Speaker 1: we think it wasn't Carlton Well? No, you think it's

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Speaker 1: Carlton's friend. Oh, the other soccer guy, Lacrosse. Okay, gotta go.

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Speaker 1: That was something I was like, I was waiting for it.

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Speaker 1: Somebody need to get But I think what I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see next season is if they explore like Will's

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Speaker 1: relationships like sport and basketball, because that's something I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: in the original just really seeing him at school. I

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Speaker 1: felt like that kind of trailed off mid season with

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Speaker 1: bell Air the reimagining, So I'm just excited to see

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Speaker 1: more of like how he adjusts to the school aspect

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Speaker 1: of being in bell Air. Predictions. Okay, we'll see more

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Speaker 1: of Marlon Wayne's for sure, and ideally Marlon Wayne so

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Speaker 1: the father, Will's father's character and Will's mother's character in

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Speaker 1: the same place. That would be amazing to watch, right,

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Speaker 1: that's spicy, you see. I hope we also see a

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Speaker 1: therapist involved in that conversation. Yes, agreed, agreed. I think

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Speaker 1: the Caruci I don't remember Cruitchi's character's name, but the

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Speaker 1: care after that CREWCI is playing, plus Hillary's character, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna work out, but I think it'll

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Speaker 1: be a great learning experience for Hillary. I think Lisa

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Speaker 1: and Will. Lisa is gonna be mad for a lot

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Speaker 1: of the next season. She seems like she's a guy.

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Speaker 1: She'd be like, well, I can't trust you, and I

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Speaker 1: think that that's fair for Lisa thinks she's gonna be

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Speaker 1: mad from a good amount of next season. And Carlton

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Speaker 1: is something's gonna happen with the drugs. Either something's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen with Carlton or Ashley. That helps the family realize

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Speaker 1: that they need to focus on family to be determined

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Speaker 1: what it will be. Oh, those are strong predictions either

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Speaker 1: way it goes. We are just tuned in. So if

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Speaker 1: we will be locked in and tuned in for season

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Speaker 1: two whenever it drops. Thanks again to A Lisa for

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