1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: one two. A little girl, just eleven years old goes 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: to spend the night party with her little best friend 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: girl just about a block and a half from home. 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: She's walking home the next morning to her family home, 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: to her mom and dad, and goes catty corner. She 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: cut instead of going all the way to the corner 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: and turning right, she cuts across the lot of a 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: local car wash and she is never seen alive again. 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: being with us. In a bizarre and very upsetting turn 12 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: of events, the murderer the man that approached eleven year 13 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: old Carly in that car wash parking lot and takes 14 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: her away, brutally rapes, beats and kills her. Her body 15 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: is found half naked, naked from the waist down, she's 16 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: wearing one sock, and her body has been thrown into 17 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: a wooded area behind a local church. He may very 18 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: well walk free. Why because appellate courts have ruled that 19 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: when a jury in Florida sentenced him to the death 20 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: penalty and attended to vote, that wasn't good enough. They 21 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: had found unanimously that he was guilty in Carly's murder, 22 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: but two people held out on the death penalty, ten 23 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: voted for it, and he was sentenced to death. He's 24 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: been languishing on death row all this time, writing dozens 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: of appeals that have all been turned down, until finally 26 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: he strikes pay dirt with me an all star panel 27 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: first and foremost founder of Class Kids Foundation, Mark Class 28 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: tireless advocate for crime victims after his daughter Polly was 29 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: kidnapped and murdered many years ago. Meridith Sincelo joining us 30 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: on the scene. W f l A. Brian Russell, host 31 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: of investigation Discoveries, hit show Fatal Vows and high profile 32 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: defense attorney out of California. Brian Claypool, who has practiced 33 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: often in the Florida justice system, out to Meridith Sinceulo 34 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: w f l A. The day that Curly goes missing, 35 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: the day that she is assaulted, beaten, and murdered, I 36 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: don't have to do a lot of digging because it's 37 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: caught on camera. It is caught on video as we 38 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: see her killer. UH guy with a long criminal history, 39 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: Joseph Smith, then thirty seven years old. UM he had 40 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: been arrested many times, convicted many times. An unemployed car 41 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: mechanic drug user currently had just had a violation of 42 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: his probation and was released just in time to abduct Carly. 43 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: He's seen on camera taking her, taking her by the arm, 44 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: and taking her out of the parking lot. So what happened. 45 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: How was her body found? Well, her body was found 46 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: behind a church area. As you've mentioned, she was mostly 47 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: nude as she had been strangled with some type of cord. UM. 48 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: There was obvious signs that she had tried to defend 49 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: herself UM but was not able to UM. There was 50 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: signs of a sexual assault UM and uh at first, 51 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Joseph snitch just want to to confess to this. But 52 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: they were able to find her little body UM about 53 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: five days after she went missing. And as you've mentioned 54 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: that now famous surveillance tape, really it's just so sad 55 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: to look back at it. In fact, revisited it today 56 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: just to take another look. And and you see those 57 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: last moments where that man, Joseph Smith approached Carly and 58 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: appeared to have a conversation with her and then grabbed 59 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: her hand and led her away. And that's the last 60 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: time that she was seeing passed a chain link fence 61 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: in a wooded area behind a local church. Investigators find 62 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: eleven year old Carly. It was early on Friday, but 63 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: hours later cops charge Joe P. Smith, a thirty seven 64 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: year old auto mechanic with a long criminal record, with 65 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: first degree murder and kidnapping, and vowed that day that 66 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: they will se seek the death penalty. Tips were phoned 67 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: into investigators by people who recognized him from the surveillance video. 68 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: That video had caught Carly's actual abduction behind the car 69 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: wash on Sunday. As meredithince Hulo just told you, at first, 70 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: he refuses to talk, but he confided in somebody, and 71 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: that somebody led police to the body just three miles 72 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: from the car wash. How she was tortured, how she 73 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 1: was actually killed remained a mystery for quite some time. 74 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: She lived a short distance away from the sleepover with 75 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: me Mark, Class of Class Kids Foundation, Mark, Polly, your 76 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: daughter was having a sleepover the night that she went missing, 77 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: but in her mom's home. Right. Yes, this, this whole 78 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: conversation is making me numb. If anybody on the face 79 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: of the earth deserves the death penalty, it would be 80 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: a revetivious of recitivious violent offender that that abducts and 81 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: tortures and murders a tiny little girl. And I think 82 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: the lesson here that we all have to understand is 83 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter how well prepared children are there 84 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: there they've they've got no chance against a determined predator. 85 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we see in this situation. She 86 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to go with him, there's no question about that. 87 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: But he had his way. He was determined, and the 88 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: idea that he may be getting off of death row, 89 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: or that he has gotten off of death row and 90 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: needs to have another hearing, is a travesty of justice. 91 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: It was about six fifteen PM that Sunday evening, still 92 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: daylight hours. Very I mean, if you see the video, 93 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: it looks like it's a high noon. It was that 94 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. She's leaving her little friend's house after a sleepover, 95 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: hited for home less than a mile away, officials. Police 96 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: say a security camera behind the car wash spots a 97 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: yellow Buick station wagon driven into the parking lot just 98 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: three minutes before Carly is kidnapped. Obviously, Smith saw Carly 99 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: walking home through the parking lot and pulled his vehicle 100 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: to the back to conceal what he was doing to 101 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: approach Carly. But then at six that camera catches him 102 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: approaching Carly, grabbing her by the wrist, and leading her away. 103 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: That video was played over and over and over, and 104 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: the nation's eyes turned towards the search for Carly Brucia. 105 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: I remember so well her dad, Joe, thanking investigators and 106 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: calling on the governor to investigate whether judges went too 107 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: easy on dealing with Smith and all of his previous arrests. 108 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: I agree with her father to Brian Claypool, you're the 109 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: expert defense attorney. Why was this guy let out over 110 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: and over and over again only to murder Carly and 111 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: now he's got a new hearing? Well, Nancy, to me, 112 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: I think the bigger question is how is it that 113 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: he gets sentenced to death and then the court reverses 114 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: that and now gives him a resentencing hearing. Why is 115 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: that a bigger question to you? Because why is it 116 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: a bigger question to you than a repeat offender killing 117 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: a little girl? Let's talk about that Florida. Florida prison 118 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: systems are saturated, much like California prison systems, So you 119 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: get these prisoners in there, and they and they let 120 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: him out early. We've heard this and seen this time 121 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: after time, so you're right, this case, this tragic case. 122 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, I have an eleven year old 123 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: daughter as well, so this tem to me. But again, 124 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: this is also about a systemic failure within our prison systems. 125 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: And that's all I can tell you about that. I mean, 126 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what more we can do. But a 127 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: jury finds him guilty, there are no trial errors. He's 128 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: had dozens of appeals and finally he hits paid dirt 129 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: when an appellate court sitting in there Ivory Tower says, oh, 130 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: you know the law that after you've been found guilty 131 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: of murdered with aggravating circumstances, which are you kill more 132 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: than one person, you kill a child, it's a murder 133 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: for hire, it's a torture. It's in the commission of 134 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: another felonies such as rape. I know he's found guilty 135 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: of that, but you know what, that was unanimous. But 136 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: when they vote attend to do for the death penalty, 137 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: I don't like that. So I'm gonna order a whole 138 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: new hearing on the death penalty. This guy is loving it, 139 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: isn't it true? Meridisin culo, He's filed dozens of appeals 140 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: on all kind of wacky grounds. Fine, only he gets 141 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: some judge to go along with him. Yeah. Absolutely, he 142 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: has tried multiple times to appeal this. But it was 143 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: actually because of a Florida Supreme Court ruling that Smith 144 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: is going to be re sentent um. And that's because 145 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: in his case, it was a tend to tend to 146 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: to um as far as the jury goes, and because 147 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: the judge was the one that actually made that decision 148 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: that he would get the death penalty, that sentencing phase 149 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: is now going to be retried because it's been determined 150 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: that that actually is a violation of the sixth Amendments. 151 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: So that's why we're going to see um this new 152 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: penalty phase. Nancy, Nancy, can I make one point on that? Sure, 153 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: this is really interesting, and this is where I think 154 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: there was a major flaw. Even though this Supreme Court case, 155 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: the Hearst case, came down and said you needed unanimous 156 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: vote for death death sentence under the sixth Amendment. I 157 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: read the opinion and here here's an interesting point. The 158 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: the the the the Florida Supreme Court was analyzing this 159 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: from a standpoint of that they still were going to 160 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: enforce this death penalty if there was an if the 161 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: prosecutor could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the two 162 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: jurors who who held out on the death penalty, that 163 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: that was harmless air. So, in other words, had the 164 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: trial judge developed a more copious record of what those 165 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: two jurors didn't agree on, for example, where they just 166 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: hung up on a mitigating factor and one aggravating factor, 167 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: if it was something that was truly harmless, the Florida 168 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court was still going to allow Smith to be 169 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: sentenced to death. But that but since there was no 170 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: written record of what these two holdout jurors were hung 171 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: up on, the Florida Supreme Court was the handcuffed You 172 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: know what to you, Mark class, this is how more 173 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: to you, more than to anyone what he had to say, 174 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: and all that legal mumbo jumbo he just spouted out, Well, 175 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: legal mumbo jumbo always seems to serve these killers, you know, 176 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: it always seems to play in their favor. Carly isn't 177 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: even a player in this thing anymore. She's nothing more 178 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: than the currency that that drove us to this place, 179 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: and you know, here, here's the thing. And we just 180 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: had this in a case here in California, and it 181 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: was a death penalty case. And once it came to 182 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: the penalty phase, one juror held out, one juror told 183 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: the other jurors that there was no way on earth 184 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: they would that they would ever, that they would ever 185 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: sentence anybody to death. So it was a ringer. It 186 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: was somebody who lied to get into that position, to 187 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: spare this piece of garbage. And it's difficult, it's so 188 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: difficult to get these guys on death row where they 189 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: absolutely deserve to be in the beginning. But then there 190 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: are always there's always seems to be a way out. Um, 191 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: it's it's preposterous. Again. This whole death penalty thing, this 192 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: whole death sentenced thing in this country has become kind 193 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: of a joke because of the abolitionist. You know, and 194 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: take a listen to this guy, the thirty seven then 195 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: thirty seven year old white male car mechanic, unemployed. Listen. 196 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: His arrest record includes a violent attack and numerous drugs charges. 197 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: In fact, he wants to beat a woman in the 198 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: face with a motorcycle helmet, just beat her mercilessly in 199 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: the face. What did you do for that aggravated assault? 200 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: He did about sixty days behind bars. Then he violates probation. 201 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: What happens? Then he gets straight out of jail. It 202 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: happens over and over and over with this guy, and 203 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: the judge blames probation department. The probation department blames the judge. 204 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: The judge start whining that it's not his fault that 205 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: he just followed the law, and blames the probation department. 206 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: It was Judge Harry Rapkin. So long story short, he 207 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: violated probation twice in one year, but probation officers never 208 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: recommended jail time. He was never arrested, so he's out 209 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: walking free. It happens upon Carly Brescia, you know, to 210 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, the host of the hit show on Investigation Discovery, 211 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: fatal vows please weigh in. Okay, So, Nancy, we hear 212 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: a lot of talk lately, and I think we heard 213 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,479 Speaker 1: just a little bit of it today about mass incarceration. 214 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: We have our jails are too crowded, We've got too 215 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: many people locked up. Well, you know what, when we 216 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of people doing a lot of destructive stuff. 217 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: Then I actually like a lot of jails with a 218 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: lot of people in him for a lot of years. 219 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: We have to understand that the number one duty of 220 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: government is to protect the citizens from physical attack from 221 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: enemies other places in the world and from people right 222 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: here at home. The justice system and the correction system, 223 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: although I don't think we correct anybody very often. It's 224 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: it's more the public safety system that the segregation system 225 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: for dangerous people from the rest of us. That is 226 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: really just national defense at the at the domestic level, 227 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: and there's nothing more important for the government to do. 228 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: So you know, whatever it cost, what is the cost 229 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: of not doing it. It's stuff like this happening to 230 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: innocent Americans and so that the cuts have to come elsewhere. 231 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: This is not the place to skimp as a society. 232 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,119 Speaker 1: If we ran the system the way that we should, 233 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: this guy never would have had the opportunity to kill 234 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Carly Brussia. And then the second thing I would say 235 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: is if we ran the prison system the way that 236 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: we should, spending the rest of his life in it 237 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: should actually be worse than basically painless little injection and 238 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: he goes to sleep and never wakes up. But because 239 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: we supply air conditioning and cable television and workout rooms 240 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: and all this stuff is why it's not. And that's nuts. 241 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: Were one of the few societies in the world that 242 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: hasn't figured out you want prison to be a place 243 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: that nobody ever wants to be or go back to, 244 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, to Meritus is Hulo w f l A. 245 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: That evening that Sunday when she was walking home that afternoon, 246 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: she had spent the night, as I said, at her 247 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: friend's house, and the little girl's mother said Carly wanted 248 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: to walk home and that she had permission from her mom. 249 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: So Carly leaves and the other mom just for some reason, 250 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: called Carly's mom and found out Carly was wrong. She 251 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: got it wrong. She didn't have permission to walk home. 252 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: So Carly's stepdad, Steve Canceler, immediately goes to get her 253 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: because they know she's walking home. And it was almost 254 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: immediate she was gone, right, I believe it was within 255 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. I mean, it was just a matter of moments. Um. 256 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: But as Mr Klashes said, um, you know, it only 257 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: takes that short period of time, you know, just walking 258 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: a couple of blocks. But you know, that that the 259 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: mother of the little girl that Carly was staying with, 260 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: just to her something wasn't right. You know, she made 261 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: that decision to call Carly's parents just to make sure 262 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: it was okay, um, for Carly to make that walk. 263 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: And as soon as they realized no, she shouldn't be 264 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: doing this, they were out there, they were looking, but 265 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: you know, she was already gone. Um. It was a 266 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: span of I think six minutes from when Joseph's miss 267 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: Carr was spotted pulling up to that car wash and 268 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: then the time when he was seen leading Carly away. 269 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: So just in that six minute span of time she disappears. Um. 270 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's such a short time frame there, 271 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: but it only takes moments. And unfortunately that's what happened here. 272 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: And and that video hit the air waves and people, 273 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, recognize the cars, some people even recognize Mr Smith. 274 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: But you know, but it was already too late for Carly. 275 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: In just a matter of moments, Carly was gone. The 276 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: guy is convicted and sentenced to death row, but now 277 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: a stunning about turn, an appellate court has ruled the 278 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: death penalty in his case is thrown out, and there 279 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: may very well be not only any hearing, but him 280 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: escaping his sentence. Take a listen to Carly's father, Joe Brucia, 281 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: after he learns about this appellate decision. It's one of 282 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: the things. It's it's it's favoring the criminals over the 283 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: the innocent victims. Are Is it just more ways attorneys 284 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: to make bullible hours, because it certainly doesn't make any sense. 285 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's the thing that comes to my mind. 286 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Carly's mom before she passed away. 287 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: I was one of the most precious things to me 288 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: in my life because of an animal, a disgusting, perverted animal. 289 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: If I could speak to him, I'd like to know 290 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: why he chose my butter and why he had to 291 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: kill her. And I'm sure she let him know that 292 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: she was only eleven years old. How could he go 293 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: through with it? Even the jury four person, Ron Cruzel, 294 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: who was the jury four person on that Joseph Smith 295 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: murder trial, speaks out there was no question that Joe 296 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: Smith was guilty, no question at all. You had to 297 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: see the pictures. You had to realize the life that 298 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: was taken and how it was taken. I will use 299 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: the word us evil. Joe Smith will die. Whether he 300 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: dies in prison or whether he dies on the table 301 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: with I VS in his arm, He's going to die, 302 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: and at that point he'll be faced with what he's 303 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: done in his life, just like we are. The disappointment 304 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: running deep in this case. For those of you just 305 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: joining us, eleven year old Curly Brucia is kidnapped, beaten, 306 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: brutally raped, and found seeming new dumped in woods behind 307 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: a local church in Florida. A man on death row 308 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: for the murder of eleven year old Curly has now 309 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: finally one an appeal. Now, let me understand something to 310 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: Brian Claypool, lawyer joining US, I profile lawyer out of California. Brian, 311 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: when we say a reman on the sentencing, they're only 312 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: going to retry the penalty phase. The guilt innocence phase 313 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: remains intact. They're gonna retry the sentencing phase. Correct, Nancy, 314 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: great question, But here's the problem with that. How in 315 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: the world are you going to convince twelve jurors to 316 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: give this bug a death sense Unless you have to 317 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: put on all the evidence of how horrible the crime was, 318 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: you can't get around putting on the liability phase to 319 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: get this this this death sentence that you want, so 320 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: talk about a way, you know, all the taxpayer money. 321 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like Mark was saying, sometimes the laws just 322 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: talk comport with public sentiment, common sense. I mean, they're 323 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: gonna have to spend a lot of money and a 324 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: lot of time. They're they're gonna have to go into 325 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: the details of the crime to get the jury aroused 326 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: enough to get this guy at death sense, don't you say, well, 327 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: you know what, you know what Mark class, bring it on. 328 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if I was prostituting tastes fine, I'd bring 329 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: it all back on and get another death penalty sentence 330 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: on this guy. You do not take an eleven year 331 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: old little girl walking home a few blocks, kidnap her, 332 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: beat her at rape her, and murder her and then 333 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: you escape the death penalty. You do you do? You 334 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: go after if you take it, and you do everything 335 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: you can to make sure the jury understands who this 336 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: guy is and what he did so that they will 337 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: again vote for him to have the death penalty. This 338 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: is a situation where where justice failed this little girl 339 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: and most certainly has failed her father. Can you even 340 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: imagine what that man is going through, realizing who this 341 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: guy is and what he's done, and all of a sudden, 342 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: the state of Florida says, well, yeah, but we're going 343 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: to take him off a death row. Mark, you raised 344 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: a good point. You raise a good point. You know, 345 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: their problems with their justice systems, And Nancy mentioned like 346 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: these probation officers that let him sixty days for aggravating assault. 347 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: The problem we have is immunity. There's there's their civil 348 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: immunity to all these probation officers, all the law enforcement investigating, 349 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: all the judges who make these horrible decisions that lead 350 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: to the death of children. They all have immunity in 351 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: the civil system. So maybe it's time to revoke that. 352 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: Oh that drives me crazy. Brian Claypool and you know 353 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: Brian Russell joining me, host of the hit investigation discovery 354 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: show Fatal Vows. We've talked about this so many times 355 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: when de Facts Department, Family Children's Services CPS fails to 356 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: follow up on cases and children end up dead. Same 357 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: thing here. I think they should all be prosecuted like 358 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: these probation officers. They let killers slip through the cracks. 359 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: Brian Well, I agree with that, but I think that 360 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: before it gets to that point, we as a society 361 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: have got to take away the discretion that not only 362 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: these people have, but also our judges to give. So 363 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I'm a psychologist, and I still don't 364 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: understand the sympathy that people have in this society for 365 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: people who do wantingly, uh consciously destructive stuff to other people. 366 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: But we've for whatever reason, they do, and they're making 367 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: it into positions like judge ships and these probation officer 368 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: roles where they have the ability to act out their 369 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: sympathy by letting these people back loose on the rest 370 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: of us. We've got to we have got to take 371 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: that discretion away with stiffer mandatory minimums for more stuff. 372 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: And also another thing we need to do is get 373 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: rid of concurrent sentencing. It is absolutely ridiculous that somebody 374 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: can commit three felonies and end up being sentenced for 375 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: each one of them concurrently. So basically you get two 376 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: felonies free. You know, commit one felony, get two felonies 377 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: for It's like having a sale at a resale. It's 378 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: like three for one. It's like three for one at 379 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: a store. Um, guys, what what makes it even worse 380 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: as it all plays out on camera? When this monster 381 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: killer caught on camera snatching a little girl before raping 382 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: and murdering her, and now he may dodge the death penalty. 383 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: Long story short, He's caught on closed circuit TV. It 384 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: captures the moment that a thirty seven year old mechanic 385 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: steals Curly Brucia. Her battered little body is found in 386 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: wooded area behind a church. Sarah Soda, Florida. This guy 387 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: has filed so many appeals they've all fallen on deaf 388 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: ears until now, and he has been handed a lifeline 389 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: thanks to an appellate court meridor Sinceulo w f l A. 390 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: Another issue is this, This decision by this appellate court 391 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: is years after Curly's killer was sentenced, but they're applying 392 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: the decision retroactively. Does that mean everybody on the death 393 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: row is going to get a nice sentencing hearing a 394 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: new trial. Well, so, what we know is that in 395 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: sixteen that the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that our 396 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: best sentence in system here in Florida violated that six 397 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: Amendment of course, which requires that a jury, not a judge, 398 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: imposed a death sentence so in looking at this case, 399 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: it did determine that that this particular case didn't hold up, 400 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: and so that's why his sentence of death was was 401 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: remanded for a new penalty phase. Now. I don't know 402 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: how many cases at this point have been put under 403 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: this same microscope, but it is very possible that we 404 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: are going to see some of the other high profile 405 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: cases um just to have to go through this all 406 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: over again, because you know, we're looking at um, what 407 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: I think, twelve years now, and he was sentenced in 408 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: two thousand six, so you know, twelve years he's been 409 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: sitting on death row and now we're going to be 410 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: be going through this again. So I definitely think that 411 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: this is something that we will see more cases coming 412 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: to this. Unfortunately, well, the mother, Carly's mother passed away 413 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: just a month after hearing about the possibility of the 414 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: killers release her daughter's killers release. Carly's mother has passed away, 415 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: leaving behind just her father to continue the fight for 416 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: justice on behalf of his daughter, his eleven year old 417 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: girl that was murdered. I can still remember when Carly 418 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: was just missing, before we had the awful knees. Listen, 419 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: we have pound Carly and the person responsible for her murder. 420 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: This follows us to current one of the charges. The 421 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: defendant is guilty of murder in the first degree has 422 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: charged Nancy. The jury that convicted Joseph Smith heard recordings 423 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: of phone calls the killer made from jail to his family, 424 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: including this one with his mother. The thing that you 425 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: could do is to try and explain it with an accident. 426 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: I know that, Joe. You don't think that the case 427 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: of Carly's killer is heading back to court in a 428 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: matter of weeks. We are on it. 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We had two Texas in the case of 438 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: a beautiful young mom of two girls who lives with 439 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: the girls and her husband. She's a supermom. She gets 440 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: up at like three o'clock every morning and goes to 441 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: teach a gladiator aerobics class in the local church before 442 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: she gets back home and makes the breakfasts and the 443 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: launches and gets everybody to school and does all of that. 444 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: She gets to church and somehow ends up bludgeoned and 445 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: stabbed dead. And in the wake of her murder, surveillance 446 00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: footage emerges. Surveillance footage capturing catching an unknown person breaking 447 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: into that creek side Church of Christ and creeping around 448 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: wearing decked out in full police swat gear. Now I 449 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: believe the swat gear is cobbled together because it looks 450 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: like a motorcycle helmet and motorcycle boots and other items 451 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: bought here and there to resemble a swat outfit. Wandering 452 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: around the church, never steals anything but waiting for Missy 453 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: Beavers to arrive. And when Missy does arrive, she is 454 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: bludgeoned and stabbed dead. No theft, no sex attack, nothing 455 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: taken from Missy, nothing taken from the church, and the 456 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: killer vanishes with me. Dave mac on the story Dave 457 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: act the murder of Missy Beavers still unsolved. You know, 458 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: you'd think with surveillance video you could identify the person, 459 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: but their face was covered. Dave there, you know, you 460 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: pointed out that it looked like it was a cobble 461 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: together outfit, that it wasn't something generally speaking that we're 462 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: used to seeing in terms of tactical gear. But the 463 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: other part about this is that the person in the 464 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: gear was well. First of all, he had a hammer, 465 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: you know that that's not the most common tactical gear. 466 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: On top of that, he had a very distinctive gait. 467 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: He had a very distinctive walk. And I'm wondering as 468 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: they went live with that video almost immediately after this happened, 469 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: and nobody's identifying who the person is that walks like that. 470 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: It's a distinctive struct you know, of course says she's 471 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: married with children. You've got this killer unidentified in the video. 472 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: Clearly that's who murdered Missy. All eyes turned on the husband, 473 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: as they always do when a wife is killed. You 474 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: always look at the husband first. Joining me. Brian Russell, 475 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: the host of investigation discoveries hit show Fatal Vows. Brian 476 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: when the search warrants were later revealed they let the 477 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: cat of the bag. That one, at least one of 478 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: the married people involved, husband and wife have been having 479 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: an affair. Okay, that cat was out of the bag 480 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: and that made the scrutiny on the husband even more intense. 481 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: But the reality, yes, he was on a fishing trip 482 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: several states away with eyewitness alibis at the time Missy 483 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: was murdered. A couple of things, Statistically speaking, You're absolutely right. 484 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: It's much more like you're much more likely if you're 485 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,239 Speaker 1: going to be murdered, to be murdered by somebody you know, 486 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: someone close to you, than you are by a stranger. 487 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: The second thing is, I can tell you from six 488 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: years of Fatal Vows that the number one reason people 489 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: end up on our show is because of infidelity in 490 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: the marriage. Really that over money, yes, money being number two. 491 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: And the third thing is probably number three is probably 492 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: uh strife around uh, you know, trying to merge families 493 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: and have step kids and all of that kind of stuff. 494 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: Joining me right now, high profile lawyer out of the 495 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: California jurisdiction, Brian Claypool. Brian, the reality is one of 496 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: my best friends is a female defense lawyer, criminal defense. 497 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: She specializes in dope. Okay, she'll handle the occasional divorce case. 498 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: She's told me a million times, Nancy, I would rather 499 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: defend a killer at trial than represents somebody in a 500 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: divorce because the other side is liable to drive by 501 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: my house and shoot me through the living room window. 502 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake. Divorces they're just so acrimonious and bitter 503 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: that that that they're unfathomable the anger that comes up 504 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: during divorces or marital discord. So naturally you look at 505 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: the husband. I think it's a good pointing if you 506 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: look at I mean, there wasn't a murder in the 507 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: Delhia depolite occasion me. You know, I conducted two trials 508 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: tru Dahlia, and at the center of that that that 509 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: case and and the alleged murder, for higher was what 510 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: you're talking about, marital discord, the the the the the 511 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: the acrimony that existed in that marriage that led to 512 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: desperation and helplessness. And and I think that's that's what 513 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: we're talking about here as well. And and and that 514 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: probably is the is the angle that law enforcement has 515 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: to really focus on this investigation. We were talking about 516 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: the brutal murder of a young, beautiful mom of two girls, 517 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: Missy Beavers. So question to you, Dave Mac, syndicated talk 518 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: show host joining us and investigative reporter on this story. Dave, 519 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that even now no one has 520 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: been taken into custody for questioning nothing. You know, Nan 521 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: see that. You know, there's a no statute of limitations 522 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to murder, So they've got to they've 523 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: got to cross their teas into aut their eyes. But 524 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: one of the things that I was looking at, and 525 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: all of this going back to the made up, the 526 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: put together tactical gear, the hammer as a murder weapon, 527 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: you've got um online flirtation by Missy by the way, 528 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: and a husband who has some kind of ironclad alibi. Well, 529 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: what was the bloody shirt that his father had two 530 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: days later trying to get cleaned that he claims was 531 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: from breaking up a dog fight. It just seems awfully 532 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: odd that somebody that close to a very bloody murder 533 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: would have a T shirt covered in blood trying to 534 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: get it clean, and the police pulling the search warrant 535 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: to go get it. Well, according to the crime lab 536 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: analyst to Alan Deep, didn't it turn out to be 537 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: true that he had broken up a dog fight right there? 538 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: That was a rabbit hole that didn't pan out as 539 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: a really well I don't know if I've referred to 540 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: as a rabbit hole. That usually referred to thing that 541 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: doesn't is irrelevant, doesn't make any sense. I mean, you 542 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: got a murder case like Dave Max talking about, where 543 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: there's a ton of blood at the scene and then 544 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: the father in law jumps up with a bloody shirt 545 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: he tries to get cleaned. I would absolutely have investigated 546 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: that if I were the police, but it turned out 547 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with the case, had nothing 548 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: to do with it. They were able to rule that out. 549 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: I've been corresponding, as you know, with Brandon Beaver's the husband, 550 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: for some time, and we've reported some of this, of course, 551 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: some of his emails to us. And let me point 552 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: out two things that are really interesting about this. He 553 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: suggested in one email back in December that his daughters 554 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: don't really want the person arrested and apprehended. Remember that 555 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: email he sent to us. He says the children are 556 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: not terribly fond of apprehending this person. They don't want 557 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: to revisit those emotions. They've told me this, But let 558 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: me update you on that the oldest daughter, this is 559 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: a rural area. One of her hobbies is to raise hogs, 560 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: you know, four age kind of thing. You did that. 561 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever had a hog, but 562 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: I did not have a hog. Um. I focused on 563 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: learning to can vegetables and fruits, make jams and jellies, 564 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: an interior design, as well as forestry and landscaping and 565 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: public speaking. But thank you for suggesting that I raise pigs. 566 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: Go ahead place, Well maybe you should have, because it 567 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: was pretty profitable for her. She sold her prize hog 568 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: at auction just recently for fifteen thousand dollars. The reason 569 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: that it went so high was the community came out 570 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: and up the bid because she wanted that money to 571 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: go to the department, the police department, to help investigate, 572 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: and she had an earmark. But then the police chief said, 573 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, we really don't need this, We're well funded, 574 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: so she ended up giving it to special needs kins. 575 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: My point being that that oldest daughter is so anxious 576 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: to find the killer of her mom that she did that, 577 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: And I think that speaks a lot. Guys. Just recently 578 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: we spoke with the assistant police chief there in Middle 579 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: Opian assistant chief of police, Kevin Johnson. Take a listen 580 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: to this. So the most recent activity, UM involves the 581 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: assignment of a new detective, and that was something that 582 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: was done as a matter of just a personnel move UM, 583 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: not not particularly related to this investigation. But nonetheless, what 584 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: the new investigator is doing is really spending a lot 585 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: of time entrenching himself in the investigation and and and 586 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: pouring over the information that's been collected, such as interviews, statements, 587 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: reports from officers, and um, you know, the follow up 588 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: information from some of the tips received. So just trying 589 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: to become familiar with the case. Is there any new 590 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: information to share with us as far as auspects, persons 591 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: of interest, or anything in the case? No, sir, No, sir, 592 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: Unfortunately there is not. It's been two years and this 593 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: is one of the more remarkable cases I've ever seen. 594 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: With all this video of the crime scene at the 595 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: time or thereabouts at the time, it's got to be 596 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: frustrating that you've got so much evidence yet no suspects, 597 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: no persons of interest. Yeah. Absolutely, it's frustrating, you know, 598 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: obviously most frustrating for the family, I'm sure, frustrating for 599 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: our community. Uh, and of course frustrating for the police 600 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: officers involved in the investigation. You know that we don't 601 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: we have a lot of evidence we have don't have 602 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: the right evidence. Um, you know, and I've said before, 603 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, police police evidence rooms are full of videos 604 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: and DVDs of video of unknown people committing crimes, and 605 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: it's really frustrating. I think the public perception is that 606 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: when you have a video, and you have a personal video, 607 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: you know that you know, in short order you can 608 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: figure out who that person is. The fact is that 609 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: this person went to great links to conceal their identity. 610 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: And you know, other than the unusual gait and some 611 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: some observations about the stature, um you know, there there's 612 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: not even much skin showing, you know, So what we 613 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: can say for sure just has more to do with 614 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: skin tone than than than other important details that would 615 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: lead us to an identification. I get these emails and 616 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: these messages from people who think that there are investigators, 617 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: these web sleuths. If you will, I know you got 618 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: them too. Has that been helpful? Do you think or 619 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: is it just just background noise. I will tell you 620 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: that a lot of the information that we receive is 621 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: is a combination of speculation, uninformed inferences and assumptions. Um. 622 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: You know. Early on in the investigation, there was a 623 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: particular photo that circulated. UM Where it originated and who 624 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: made it? I couldn't tell you. It certainly didn't from 625 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: the police department. Um. But a lot of people saw 626 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: that and it it appeared to be compelling to them, 627 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 1: and and they took it, uh you know, as as 628 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: an official piece of evidence. Um you know. And when 629 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 1: you combine you know, tips of that nature with with 630 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, five or five or six seven other tips, 631 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: uh of dubious origin, if you will, uh you know, 632 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: it's it's easy to understand why a person would combine 633 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: those together into um, you know, a theory that makes 634 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: sense to them, and believe that it has some viability 635 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: and feel compelled to award it to the police. In 636 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: each instance that we've we've dug through that information, there 637 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: have had there have been some small helpful bits of information, 638 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: but by and large, unfortunately, uh, the bulk of it 639 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: has not been particularly helpful. UM. Now I say that 640 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: not wanting to discourage anybody from from from forwarding any 641 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: information or reaching out to us. Um, you know, because 642 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: it's our job to to to sift through that and 643 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: determine it's it's it's credibility, you know. So, um, I 644 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: certainly don't want to discourage that. But but buying large 645 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: that you know a lot of information has just been 646 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 1: mixed with other information from different sites or groups, uh, 647 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, and and you know it hasn't been particularly helpful. 648 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: It's my understanding that you've got a detective working full 649 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: time on this case. It's not like you put it 650 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: up on the shelf locked into the evidence room. Well, 651 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: it certainly isn't on the shelf. It certainly isn't anything 652 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: that we consider closed or or uh you know, not 653 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: actively being investigated. But but no, actually he spends one 654 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 1: to two days a week on it. Currently. There are 655 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: cases that that we look at all the time that 656 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: take ten or fifteen years and then something happened, something breaks. 657 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: This could be one of those that you guys are 658 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: working one or two days a week for for a 659 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: decade on. I mean you actually foresee that happening. Well, 660 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope not. But if that's what it's 661 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: it's required, that's what we'll do. You know, nobody here 662 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: is is anywhere near throwing in the town for you know, 663 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: by any stretch. You know, we want to bring some 664 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: answers to the Missy's family. You know, if there's any 665 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: work to be done, we'll do that work. And until 666 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: it's done. You know, I was touched recently when I 667 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: read in your local newspaper that Missy's daughter raised some 668 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,720 Speaker 1: money at an auction of a prized hog and wanted 669 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: to donate the money to your department to pay for 670 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: the investigation. That's how interested and concerned she was with it. 671 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 1: But that that's not necessary, is that? I mean, you 672 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: guys have plenty of resources. Yeah, you're correct, and you know, 673 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: what a what a cool story that was, and I 674 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: think it it says a lot about the community down 675 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: here that that Missy was from, you know, and also 676 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: how how well she raised her daughters, of course, but no, 677 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: as heartfelt as that was, um, it's it's simply wasn't necessary. 678 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: There haven't been any aspects of this case that we're limited, 679 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: you know, based on any kind of financial restrictions. So 680 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we're hopeful that she'll find another 681 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 1: meaningful way to use that money, and I'm sure she will. 682 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: The video that you released inside the church, and then 683 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: there's the video of the gun store nearby. We've seen that. 684 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: But is there any other evidence or video that maybe 685 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: at some point you think you might want to make 686 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: public that you've been keeping secret that might spur some 687 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: tips and actually help resolve this case. Or have we 688 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 1: pretty much seen everything that you're going to show us 689 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: before there's an arrest. I'm confident that what has been 690 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: shared is likely to be all that shared. Obviously, just 691 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: like you indicated, you know, we we don't show our 692 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: full hand. UM. You know, be an irresponsible way to 693 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: investigate any kind of crime if we did that. UM, 694 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: I can tell you this that if if there was 695 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: any bit of information we thought would be helpful to release, 696 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: we would have released it long ago. What has been withheld? Uh, 697 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: there's either some that that has been a strategic investigative 698 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: type decision or has just been done in um in 699 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: good taste. There's there's a killer out there, possibly still 700 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: living in your community or passing through your community that 701 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: that's got to be a major concern for your department. Yeah, absolutely, 702 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,720 Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm sure it's a major concern 703 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: for for people in our community. I'm you know, to 704 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: this day, when folks from this area or from our 705 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: town of mid Lothian, you know, see somebody with a 706 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: particular gait, I have no doubt that they were you know, 707 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: they immediately see the image of that person on video. 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