1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: podcast network. I'll get ready for another episode of Beyond 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: Contact with Captain Wrong. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: your needs. 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news and upology, discuss some of 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: the new cases as we talk with the top experts. 14 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 4: I'll be speaking with mister Jim Goodall. Jim's an aviation historian, photographer, 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: UFO researcher, and the author of at least twenty seven books. 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 4: I'll get the latest total from him today. He's known 18 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 4: for documenting military aircraft, particularly those associated with secretive programs 19 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 4: and advanced technology. Jim knows more about the development and 20 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 4: operations of the world's only mock three capable manned air 21 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: breathing aircraft, the SR seventy one Blackbird, than probably anyone 22 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: on the planet. He's had an incredible life and seen 23 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 4: and done things most of us will never get to do. 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 4: It's a pleasure to see him again. We were just 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: talking about hanging out a few years ago at UFO Congress. 26 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: Good to see it, Jim. I'm glad to be here. 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 5: Been no a whole bunch of years since we talked, Yeah, previous. 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: To the pandemic, and now we're so it's really great 29 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: to see you. I want to jump right in and 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 4: get into some of these hard questions for you, because 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: we're all dying to hear about this from you. Let's 32 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 4: talk about some UFOs right away. It feels to me 33 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 4: like it's quite possible that many of these UFO sightings 34 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: and the reports we hear could be possibly military aircraft 35 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 4: that the public just doesn't know about. Yet you would 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 4: be the man who would know this. What do you 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 4: think about many of the UFO reports actually being military 38 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 4: test aircraft. 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 5: Well, I've mentioned it to a lot of people, and 40 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 5: I think it's starting to sink in that most of 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 5: what we're seeing in the skies that you know, the 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: TR three's, the triangles and some of the other weird 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 5: stuff to kick tacks, their man made. And I had 44 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 5: I had a conversation with a guy who has has 45 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: been there at Area fifty one and elsewhere, and he 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 5: said that ninety percent of what's being reported as a 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 5: UFO or a man made objects. It could be manned, 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 5: it could be unmanned, but the fact is that all 49 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 5: it takes is one to be you know, from you know, 50 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 5: from another solar system, another galaxy, and you know, another planet. 51 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 5: And he said, he said, there you know there are 52 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 5: there are non US based or American based or Earth 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 5: based objects flying over our airspace. We do that is 54 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 5: he confirmed that, but he said ninety percent of what 55 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 5: the general public is seeing are man made. 56 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: What are your thoughts about things like this TR thirty eight. 57 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 4: They're talking about the triangular plane that we've heard rumors about, 58 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: and it sounds like it's a triangular shaped craft very 59 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: similar to what people sometimes see and they call them 60 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: a UFO and they think they're driven by ets. Do 61 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 4: you think this could be like you know, reverse engineered craft, Well. 62 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 5: It's it's probably using alien technology, and I did ask 63 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 5: the senior vice president general manager the Skunk Works when 64 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 5: I did book signing in June of twenty one. We're 65 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: heading over to the U two operation there at Palmdale. 66 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 5: I looked im straight in the eye. I said, okay, 67 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 5: how much alien UFO technology is being utilized in Skunkworks 68 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 5: airplanes and projects? And without hesitation? And I'm looking right 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: in the eye. And if he was a politician, I 70 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 5: know he would be full of crap and lie to me. 71 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 5: But he said, I mean, he said, I have no 72 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 5: knowledge of anything like that. And then he said, but 73 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 5: that doesn't mean this wasn't something like that wasn't utilized 74 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 5: or built in the past, and it's above my pay grade. 75 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 5: And also my job is to look to the future, 76 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 5: not necessarily to the past, and I want to look 77 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 5: at the past. I'll grab your books, and he was tickled. 78 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 5: He said he has two books in his man cave 79 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 5: that no one can touch. They were both developed at 80 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,119 Speaker 5: Area fifty one, and one is one is my seventy 81 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 5: five years book and the other one is my SR 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 5: seventy one book from Shepherd Publishing. I'm very proud of that, 83 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 5: and you should be. 84 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: Those are incredible and those photos are amazing. 85 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 5: It is a passion of mine that started back in 86 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 5: March of sixty four. That's a long time ago. I 87 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 5: was an eighteen year old kid. I was assigned at 88 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: Edward's Air Force based to support three programs, and one 89 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 5: of them turned out it was the Blackbird. It's incredible. 90 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 5: Never been the same, never been the same. 91 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: With regards to some of these strange UFO sightings people report. 92 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 4: Sometimes they say things like they've seen an object traveling 93 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: at high speed and making ninety degree turns. Do you 94 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: think those things are possible with our technology today to 95 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: do that? E guess they're unmanned. 96 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 5: I sat down with a late dear friend. He had 97 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: almost forty years of the skunk Works, of which ten 98 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 5: of those years he was full time at Area fifty one, 99 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 5: and I asked him this years ago, and his name 100 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 5: was Bill Fox, everybody called him Foxy. He said, we 101 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 5: had the technology today in an Unmann object to be 102 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 5: going three thousand miles an hour and do a ninety 103 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: degree urn or do a onet eighty. That technology exists, 104 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 5: and you just harden it. I mean they've been they've 105 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 5: been using electronics, and I think it was a copperhead 106 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 5: around I think it's one hundred and fifty five millimeters. 107 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: How it's around that you can guide. Wow, So that 108 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 5: that pulls about three hundred g's or four hundred g's 109 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 5: when they fire it, So make it making a turn 110 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: ninety degrees at extremely high speed. And I asked them 111 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 5: that question, probably thirty five years ago, maybe even longer. No, 112 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 5: it's twenty twenty four. I would say forty five years ago. 113 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: Wow. 114 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 5: He said that, No, that technology is a piece of cake. 115 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: You just use. 116 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 5: You have to use the right components and design it, 117 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 5: you know, to take those extreme one hundred to four 118 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 5: hundred g It turns an acceleration bomb Bazaarre. He said 119 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 5: that what they've discovered that when a when an alien craft, 120 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 5: not a human built craft, but an alien craft, when 121 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 5: it's flying it, it can make those turns. But when 122 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 5: you're inside the craft, it's not affected by gravity, so 123 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 5: you really don't have you don't have any sensation of 124 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 5: making a ninety degree or one hundred and eighty return 125 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: going four thousand and five thousand miles an hour. It's 126 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: a technology that they've developed. It's there and a lot 127 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 5: of stuff that we see, we see new weapons. We 128 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 5: see new technology, everybody's oh, oh, g whiz, that's really incredible. 129 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 5: It's probably twenty years old. Anything the military the government's 130 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 5: going to show us in the form of high technology 131 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 5: or g whiz technology, they probably had it for twenty 132 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 5: or thirty years working on it, or maybe it was 133 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 5: even operational. 134 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 4: Jim, this is one of the questions I had for you. 135 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 4: I've I've always heard, just anecdotally that by the time 136 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: we see a craft, like in nineteen eighty eight, nineteen 137 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: ninety when we when we saw the Stealth Fighter, by 138 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 4: the time the public sees it, it's obsolete. What do 139 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: you think of that idea? 140 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 5: By the time they ink the final design on it, 141 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 5: before it goes into production, it's obsolete. As far as 142 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 5: the advancement and technology in the airplant that comes off 143 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 5: the assembly line. I mean, I don't care if it's 144 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: a seventh generation Stealth it's already obsolete. And asked. I 145 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 5: asked Ben Rich, who at the time was the president 146 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 5: of the Skunkworks. The F one seventeen or half Blue, 147 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 5: which was the technology demonstrator, was flying along the same 148 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 5: time as the north Throp tasse it Blue, and they 149 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 5: had blended fuselage and the F one seventeen and have 150 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 5: blue head a faceted He said, you have to get 151 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 5: to a point. And most most of the virtually all 152 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 5: of the algorithms that allowed to develop a true low 153 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 5: observable aircraft were taken from Russian documents. They felt they 154 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 5: didn't need it need stealth because they have a very 155 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 5: very robust air defense system. 156 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: We don't. 157 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: We used to back in the fifties up through about 158 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 5: the mid seventies, as the Cold War was drinding down, 159 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 5: they started closing their defense command bases and all the radars, 160 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 5: and they shut down all the Nike Ajax and Nike 161 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 5: Hercules sites that were stationed around major cities around the 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 5: US primary coastal cities. But the techno, the technology that 163 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 5: we have today, when you see it and you go, 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 5: oh wow, it's old stuff, fascinating. I've been at five 165 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 5: of doctor Grier's presentations. Everything they're looking at and whatever 166 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 5: is is real. The people, what people are seeing in UFOs, 167 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 5: they're not hallucinating. They're seeing real things. And again, all 168 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 5: we have to do is have a handful of them 169 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 5: that are alien for them for them to say. 170 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: Wow, one is like you said, one, Yeah, yeah. One. 171 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 172 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to ask Jim about 173 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: the pyramids in Belieze that he started in investigating. You're 174 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact right here on the iHeartRadio and 175 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 4: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 176 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: Did you know that test that could save your life 177 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: from cancer are now available for little or no costs 178 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: thanks to the healthcare law called the Affordable Care Act. 179 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: Let this be the year you get screening tests that 180 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: can detect cancer early when it's most treatable. 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You know that when we see something 194 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 4: it's already obsolete, and yet you still think it seems 195 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 4: that perhaps some of these craft that we're seeing in 196 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 4: the sky are indeed from off planet or our extraterrestrial craft. 197 00:11:53,520 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 5: Right right right, Bombas mentioned multiple times that his sports model. 198 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 4: That's the bob Azar small UFO. 199 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 5: It's about thirty foot diameter. It was uncovered and an 200 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 5: ancient site. We were actually doing some clearing of a 201 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: very large pyramid complex and Belize about a month ago. 202 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 5: The leader of the group got a cease and to disorder, 203 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 5: saying that we weren't authorized to do what we did 204 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 5: and that it came to an end. But it was 205 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 5: because of disinformation or misinformation on both sides. 206 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: So why don't we just venture there for a second, Jim, 207 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 4: let's talk about this in Belize. So you were looking 208 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: at a complex that I think was a Mayan pyramid 209 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: complex right right. 210 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 5: It was three hundred and five acre site and they 211 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 5: had five pyramids in it, which would have been if 212 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 5: it had been all cleared and whatever, the largest pyramid 213 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 5: and Mayan complex in all of Belize. And we believe 214 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 5: that that was sort of the center of commerce. And 215 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 5: the last time out there, which was November November last year, 216 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 5: we went up what we call Pyramid five Pyramid G. 217 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 5: This particular pyramid I got about three corps the way up, 218 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 5: about five months from hitting the Big eight zero. I mean, 219 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: I've had all my I've finished all my birthdays in 220 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 5: the seventies, and I said, and I don't know how 221 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 5: I got this far, just only the truth. But I 222 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 5: was about three corps the way up, and the other 223 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 5: guys got up to the top. It was a two 224 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 5: hundred and sixty foot pyramid, which would make it one 225 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 5: of the largest in Mesoamerica. In the movie The Last 226 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 5: Indiana Jones movie, which was centered around a crystal skull, 227 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 5: that's all based on stuff that was found in beliefs 228 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 5: at a site called Limnin Poet. It's about thirty miles 229 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 5: outside of Punta Gorda in the south end of the country. 230 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 5: That's where they found the crystal skull back in nineteen 231 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 5: twenty twenty two twenty three time frame. Even today, we 232 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 5: wouldn't have the ability to do that sculpture because that 233 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 5: the crystal is so extremely brittle. You start trying to 234 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 5: polish it or cut it or whatever, it's going to 235 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: shatter into your hands and you'll have a pile of 236 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 5: coarse sand. It was fractures. So they still don't know 237 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 5: how that technology existed. Also, one of the most interesting 238 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 5: things from the archaeologists that I talked to in Belieze. 239 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 5: Every site has the guides are our archaeologial students. You know, 240 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 5: they're either working on their masters or their PhD. So 241 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 5: they're very well informed and their own minds. And I said, 242 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 5: we're talking about the age of the Pyramids, and he said, well, 243 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: it's a common understanding today that the minds did not 244 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: possess the technology to build the pyramids. Neither did the 245 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 5: Incas or the Aztecs. He said, we honestly believe, based 246 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 5: on studies and scientific research that they've done in country, 247 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 5: that the pyramids are somewhere between twenty thousand and two 248 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 5: hundred thousand years old. 249 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 4: That's older than anything else. I think gobecley Tepe is 250 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: about the oldest megalithic structure that we officially know of, 251 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: right right, but they've I don't know, there's a way 252 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: to determine non organic material for age. 253 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: If it was buried four thousand or twenty thousand years ago, 254 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 5: and we're able to identify that these are the crystals 255 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 5: in the ground, they'd have to be found in the 256 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: dark because sunlight would wipe them out. But they can 257 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: get with it maybe two hundred years or five hundred 258 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 5: years of the date. What century was this dirt covered up? 259 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 5: Or if it's stuff stuck in between the stones or 260 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: whatever it is, and they retrieve it under darkness. That's 261 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 5: a way to determine the true age of something that 262 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: is that's not organic. 263 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: Well, if it's anywhere close to twenty thousand years, it 264 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 4: would be you. 265 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 5: Know they I mean, they don't said we're not questioning 266 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 5: the twenty thousand, the two hundred thousand years maybe, but 267 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 5: there are in various ancient sites there are columns that 268 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 5: have been cut and that we're abandoned it some time, 269 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 5: and they're thirty feet by thirty feet by two hundred 270 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 5: feet long. They're probably weigh one hundred thousand or two 271 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 5: hundred thousand tons. 272 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: That's bigger than Bulbuck. 273 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 5: I mean, it's bigger than a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. 274 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: Now, this is if any of this comes to fruition, 275 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 4: this will change the history as we know it completely. 276 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 5: And I think there are places within our federal government, 277 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 5: which is supposed to be for we the people, but 278 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 5: it's not. There are places within our government that know, 279 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 5: I have to believe that. 280 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 4: Gen this fields so far we know you as an 281 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: SR seventy one guy and a photographer and an airplane guy. 282 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: How did you get involved in something like this at all? 283 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: How did this even come into year? 284 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 5: Well, I mean when I started meeting skunkwards guys that 285 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 5: had spent time at Area fifty one, and I've asked him, 286 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 5: I said, do you guys do you believe in UFOs? 287 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 5: And all of them have said absolutely positively. Do exist. 288 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 5: He said, We're not flying him out of Area fifty one, 289 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 5: but they do exist. 290 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 4: Wow. 291 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 5: And it's just maddening, it really is. And I know 292 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 5: when I was talking with Ben Rich just before he died. 293 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 5: And Ben, for those who don't know, was the president 294 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 5: and general manager of the Lucky skunk Works. He was 295 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 5: Kelly Johnson's right hand man and he was probably the 296 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 5: only one of all the eleven heads of the skunk 297 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 5: Works that could step into Killy's shoes. And we were 298 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 5: talking to USC Medical Center. He's nine philosophical cancer and 299 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 5: I said, we're talking about old friends, John Andrews from 300 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 5: Testers and John Lear and all the other characters. And 301 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 5: he said, Jim said, we have things out in the 302 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 5: desert and he wasn't referring to area fifty one. He said, 303 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 5: we have things out in the desert that's fifty years 304 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 5: beyond on what you can comprehend. Now. I can comprehend 305 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 5: a hell of a lot. I have a very vivid mind, 306 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 5: and I've been digging into this stuff forever. I'm not 307 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 5: an engineer, but I did stay at a holiday and 308 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 5: express a couple of nights ago. So he said, if 309 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 5: you've seen movies like Star Trekers, Star Wars, we've been there, 310 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 5: done that, or decided it wasn't with the effort. I said, Ben, 311 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 5: you want to expand upon that? He said no, and 312 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 5: then the sound bitch had the nerve to die on 313 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 5: me about ten days later. So, but I was very 314 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: very close to Ben. We talked once a quarter for 315 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 5: about twenty plus years. He's the reason I was able 316 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 5: to scrounge a blackbird and move it to Minnesota. 317 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 4: Jim, considering his position and who he was as the 318 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 4: head of skunk Works, that is a hell of a 319 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 4: statement coming from him. Oh, absolutely, achnology fifty years beyond 320 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 4: what you can imagine. I mean, that is you know, 321 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 4: pretty incredible. Well, at a talk at you see LA, 322 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: I think it was in ninety three. It's right after 323 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 4: he retired. He retired from the last bomb dropped on 324 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 4: Baghdad during desert storm. And he said, you know, I 325 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 4: wanted to be the president of the skunk works to 326 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: see his baby. He said, he's the most proud of 327 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: the F one seventeen coming out of his skunk works. 328 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 5: I thought that was your baby. Well it was too, 329 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 5: but he gave birth to it. I just saw it. Afterwards, 330 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 5: he was at UCLA. He was given a talk. I 331 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 5: was a grad student from the Aeronautical School, and in 332 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 5: his prepared statement, he said, and this is probably the 333 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 5: most incredible statement that someone like ben Rich could make. 334 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 5: Now this is nineteen ninety three, so it's fuzzy a 335 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 5: little bit. It has been thirty years. Yeah, he said, 336 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 5: we have the technology to take et home. Now just 337 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 5: think about that statement. We have the ability to take 338 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 5: et home. And you have to sit back and say, wow. 339 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, there's a lot of things to unpack there. 340 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 4: Number one, that's a famous statement that we've all heard, 341 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: and it is an incredible thing, especially coming from someone 342 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 4: of his pedigree. And then you know that's almost acknowledging 343 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: there is et. 344 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 5: I mean I mean he did, there was there was 345 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 5: no question about it. There's no question about it. Amazing again, 346 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 5: anything anything that we see today as far as military hardware, 347 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 5: ge whiz, Oh, you know we've just uncovered it or 348 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 5: just you know it was just made public. It's not there. 349 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 5: I mean, we don't know anything about it, but it 350 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: was developed twenty plus years ago. Wow. 351 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to Jim 352 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: about the SR seventy one Blackbird airplane, the one that 353 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 4: Ben Rich said that Jim knows more about this plane 354 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 4: than anyone. 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Well, listen, you were talking about Ben Ritch here. 385 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: I believe he's the guy that said that you know 386 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: more about the SR seventy one Blackbird plane than anybody. 387 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've heard. 388 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: You say specifically that how the development of this airplane 389 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: was very compartmentalized, so oftentimes the workers didn't realize the 390 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 4: full picture of what they were even working on. How 391 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: did you, Jim Goodall, get to see the full picture? 392 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 5: Every black extremely classified program is compartmentalized. If you're looking 393 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 5: on working on the whist, the left hand widget of 394 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 5: this craft, the guys working on the right hand widget 395 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 5: has no idea what you're working on. You're forbidden from 396 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 5: sitting down and chewing the fat, even at Area fifty 397 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 5: one or at the skunk works, you know, during a 398 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 5: break or whatever, to talk about, well, what component are 399 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 5: you working on? You don't do that. I wasn't part 400 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 5: of that environment, so I didn't have any of those restrictions, 401 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 5: either the gag orders or the noncompete or they've signed 402 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 5: waivers saying that they can't and will not divulge any 403 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 5: information on what they're doing and what the it on 404 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 5: that part of the aircraft or the craft is. But wasn't. 405 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 5: I wasn't part of that. So I would track these 406 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 5: guys down and interview them, and they said, you know, 407 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 5: this is this is all I know about this part 408 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 5: or this area, get hold of so and so because 409 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 5: I know he worked in another part of this particular program. 410 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 5: And I did that over fifty years. I mean, I 411 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 5: saw my first blackbird. I was eighteen years old. It 412 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 5: was March tenth, nineteen sixty four, and I have never 413 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 5: been the same since. So I started digging. And the 414 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 5: first thing I did when I actually when I got 415 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 5: out of this out of the Air Force in the 416 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: end of nineteen sixty six, I wrote letters to Lockheed 417 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 5: Air Force, DoD CIA, Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the 418 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 5: Air Force. I wanted eight by ten photos, preferably color, 419 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 5: but I would accept black and white SR seventy ones 420 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 5: and WYF twelve's in the air. I wasn't aware of 421 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 5: the A twelve at the time, and the official policy 422 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 5: from our government is not to cooperate. So because they 423 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 5: didn't cooperate, I started digging. And the more I dug, 424 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 5: the more I found out, The more I found out, 425 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 5: the deeper I dug, and I ended I ended up 426 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 5: learning more from a historical point of view, not necessarily 427 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 5: an engineering point of view. Were pilot's point of view, 428 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 5: but historian's point of view and that's why I was 429 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 5: able to put together and go around all the compartmentalizations 430 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 5: on the program. And I've even had blackbird pilots. So 431 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 5: the hell do you know that? I heard that in 432 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 5: a briefing and it was it was above top secret, 433 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 5: and you're talking about it like he went to the 434 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 5: local seven to eleven and picked it up off the shelf. 435 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 5: I said, well, I try to be good at what 436 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 5: I do. I'm not always successful, but I do my 437 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 5: best and I'm relentless. I'm not discouraged. Someone says, no, 438 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 5: that's when the selling job starts. Ben Ritchie even mentioned 439 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 5: he says, all of us at this conquests are fascinated 440 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 5: by Jim Goodall and by your your passion, and he 441 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 5: appreciated that passion, but he said that it just blows 442 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 5: his mind that I could I can get a small 443 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 5: little kernel of information looking through a cracking the door 444 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 5: about maybe an eighth of an inch wide, and I'm 445 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 5: starting to I'm starting to see the big picture. 446 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 4: And I was. 447 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 5: And you do that over a number of years. It 448 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 5: has an effect and one of the reasons why there 449 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 5: aren't a lot of people talking about the things that 450 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 5: go bumping the night at the Skunk Works and possibly 451 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 5: other location. But I can't imagine the lockeyed Advanced Development 452 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 5: Projects is a one of a kind ADP slash the 453 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 5: Skunk Works. McDonald douglas slash Boeing called it their phantom works. 454 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 5: Northrop referred to early on on development of The Wife 455 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 5: twenty three that it was our but our black widow 456 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 5: works after the P sixty one Black Widow. And what 457 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 5: keeps these all these engineers and maintenance people and designers 458 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 5: and pilots from spewing your guts their livelihood and they're 459 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 5: paid well, their livelihood is having a Q clearance or above. 460 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 5: And if they were to even suspect that I was 461 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 5: talking to some guy who's working on a in an 462 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 5: ultra black program today, if I don't near start talking 463 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 5: to him and he gives me a tidbit information, they 464 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 5: won't prosecute him. They'll just pull this clearance. And without 465 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 5: a clearance, if you spent your entire life working in 466 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 5: a black program or programs, and all of a sudden 467 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 5: you don't have a security clearance, you've already signed your NDAs, 468 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,239 Speaker 5: so you can't talk about it. And if you violate that, 469 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 5: not only have you lost your job. But there's probably 470 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 5: there's probably mechanisms in the non disclosure agreement that if 471 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 5: you say anything, then you lose your retirement as well. 472 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 5: So that's how they keep them quiet. 473 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: That makes sense. I'm sure that works. 474 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 5: When I came out with my F one seventeen book 475 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 5: for the first time, this is the first really really 476 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 5: black program at its inception, and I talked to I 477 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 5: was at a black reunion and there was a couple 478 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 5: of wives there that their husband, now only did they 479 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 5: fly the Blackbird at sometimes, they also flew the F 480 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 5: one seventeen. And they said, my husband came home. He's 481 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 5: never told me what he does at the skunk works, 482 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 5: and he handed me your book you did with Bill 483 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 5: Sweetman on It was the very first book on the 484 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 5: F one seventeen. It sold almost seventy thousand copies, which 485 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 5: is the only book I've ever made any money on. 486 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 5: But I was going through a divorce and I was 487 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 5: sort of homeless, and that really helped. They said, I 488 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 5: can't tell you what I did, but just take a 489 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 5: look at mister Goodall's book. There you go, and I'll 490 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 5: lead the rest up to you. So they didn't violate 491 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 5: their security they bought a book. They said, I can't 492 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 5: say anything more, but read the book. 493 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 4: Nice Hey. Back in seventy when the SR seventy one 494 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 4: came out in I think sixty four, it seemed like 495 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 4: that was the fastest plane that we had. And it 496 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: still seems to be on the top of the list, 497 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: or certainly near the top of the list of the 498 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: fast the planes. But that was sixty years ago. Jim 499 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 4: at aircraft way faster. 500 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 5: Than that, right, I believe so, And according to ben Rich, 501 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: he believes so too. In nineteen eighty two or eighty three, 502 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 5: in February, I got invited to a banquet for Engineering 503 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 5: Week at Honeywell Avionics division they called Ridgeway. Those are 504 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 5: the guys that make all the you know, the stabilization 505 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 5: augmentation system, the autopilot, the ADF system in the control system, everything, 506 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 5: all the electronics using the Blackbird, most of them made 507 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 5: by Honeywell. And the director of Engineering called me at 508 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 5: home and he said, Jim, I says, I know, I 509 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 5: know you're not an engineer and you're not an employee 510 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 5: of Honeywell, but I'm inviting you as my guest to 511 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 5: our banquet and our keynote speaker is Kelly Johnson. So 512 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 5: Kelly gets up there and he's talking about all sorts 513 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 5: of stuff, and he said, you know, you know, you 514 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 5: all know about what we've done on the SR seventy 515 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 5: one and on A twelve and on y F twelve. 516 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 5: But I'm you know, I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed 517 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 5: to talk about the Little Bird, which was the D 518 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 5: twenty one. And I said, there's some sound Bits Toy 519 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 5: company in San Diego. He was referring to John Andrews 520 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 5: and some other no nosy guy who lives somewhere up 521 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 5: in the Midwest. He was referring to me. He didn't 522 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 5: name my name, so that you know they they keep 523 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 5: sticking their nose into everything. He said, we have the 524 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 5: ability today to build a manned air breathing platform will 525 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 5: fly at mark four, Mark six, Mock eight, Mock twelve, 526 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 5: Mock sixteen. It's like it's like in drag racing, speed 527 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 5: costs money. How fast do you want to go? That 528 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 5: was forty years ago. We had the technology, so we 529 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 5: can only imagine and guess where we're at today. 530 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 4: It must be far beyond anything we've. 531 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 5: And we're not We're not going to We're not going 532 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 5: to know it for another twenty years. Yeah, here is 533 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 5: I'm going to be ninety nine. 534 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: You'll probably still be doing this stuff. 535 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 5: I will as long as as long as I'm my 536 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 5: hands work on a keyboard and I have a voice. 537 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 4: Yep, we need to take a break right there, Jim. 538 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to Jim 539 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: about his thirty five year friendship with Bob Bazaar and 540 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: talk about Jim's first hand experiences with Bob. You're listening 541 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 542 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 4: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Hey, it's the Wizard of Weird 543 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 4: Joshua P. 544 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: Warren. 545 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 8: Don't forget to check out my show Strange Things each 546 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 8: week as I bring you the world of the truly 547 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 8: amazing and bizarre right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast 548 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 8: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 549 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 6: Hey, this is George Nap and you're listening to the 550 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 6: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 551 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Keep it here on the iHeartRadio on 552 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 553 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 4: Jim would like to ask you a bit about your 554 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 4: friend of thirty five years Bob Lazaar. I know you 555 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 4: guys have been friends for a long time, and Bob's 556 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 4: a highly controversial figure, as you know. 557 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 5: Always has been. 558 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 4: Yep. He does have some incredible stories though, and may 559 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 4: indeed be one of the early whistleblowers regarding all of this. 560 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 4: You actually met him before he went to work at 561 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 4: S four, and I think this really speaks to his 562 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 4: credibility before he believed in UFOs. What did he tell 563 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 4: tell you about John Lear and UFOs back then? 564 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 5: Well, the way I met Bob is through John Lear, 565 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 5: and that particular day that I met him was a 566 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 5: day I photographed my first, very first F one seventeen 567 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 5: and I was the first time in F one and 568 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 5: seventeen had been photographed by someone not associated with the program. 569 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 5: I shot it at the fence on a tone pottest 570 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 5: rains and this is before digital photography, and I was 571 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 5: shooting with a nikon, hoping we can get back before 572 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 5: the photo mats closed. So I had this roll of 573 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 5: Coda color one hundred and I was really frustrated that 574 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,239 Speaker 5: I was going to have I wouldn't be able to 575 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 5: get a processed for two or three days. But John 576 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 5: Leair has said, Hey, I met a new friend. He's 577 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 5: had just moved here from Albertquerque. He's interviewing for a 578 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 5: job out in the desert. He hasn't been hired yet, 579 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 5: or maybe he has been hired, but he hasn't his 580 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 5: Q clearance hasn't been upgraded. And he's to be over 581 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 5: here in a few minutes. So about nine fifteen, nine 582 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 5: twenty knocking the front door. This is at night. This 583 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 5: young man comes in. It's Bob Bazar, soft spoken. You 584 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 5: can tell the guy's brilliant, not smart. I'm talking about 585 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 5: genius level. And he has a photographic memory. I found 586 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 5: that out later and I told him about my role 587 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 5: of film, and he says, I have a C forty 588 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 5: one processor which is used for developing colored print film. 589 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 5: So let's go, let's run to my house. I live 590 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 5: on the other side of the town and off of 591 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 5: West Charleston. And to see if you get your thing processed, 592 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 5: see if anything, if if all of them are blurry. 593 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 5: And the reason I was saying that photograph in the 594 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 5: F one seventeen for the very first time, it was 595 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 5: like a ten year old boy seeing a naked woman 596 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 5: for the first time. My hot whole body was literally 597 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 5: vibrating the probably a sixty or one hundred and twenty cycle, 598 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 5: and then it was an incredible experience. So I said, 599 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 5: let's jump over, Let's jump in my car, let's go 600 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 5: over the thin processed. So we're not more than a 601 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 5: block from John Lear's house. And Lazarre looked at me 602 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 5: and he said, you know, I feel sorry for that 603 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 5: son of a bitch. I said, why is that? I said, 604 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 5: the idiot believes in UFOs. How stupid is that? He says, 605 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 5: I'm a nuclear physicist, and if I can't prove it 606 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 5: mathematically or put my hands on it, it doesn't exist. 607 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 5: That's a hell of a statement, especially considering that a 608 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 5: couple months later, there was maybe a year almost a 609 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 5: year later, there was a guy named Jared silhouetted with 610 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 5: an altered voice, talking about working on reverse engineering. That 611 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 5: was Bob. So when I was at Bob's house in 612 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 5: twenty three twenty two, time flies when you're old, I 613 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 5: asked him. I said, do you remember what you told 614 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 5: me the first night we met when we were I 615 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 5: didn't prompt him. When the first night we met, when 616 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 5: we're hitting over your house to get the film process, 617 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 5: said you mean the fact I didn't believe in UFOs. 618 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 5: I said, yes, he says absolutely, you couldn't put a 619 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 5: gun to my head. Convince me UFO was real at 620 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 5: that time. So is Bob a plant? No. And probably 621 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 5: the most I can't say damning proof was when I 622 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 5: was in the Pentagon during Desert Shield and Desert Storm. 623 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 5: I was enlisted. I was a historian Air Force historian, 624 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 5: and I had Bob Azzar's W two and it was 625 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 5: always in my back pocket. So I had a down day. 626 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 5: I don't know if things in bag Dad were real 627 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 5: calm on that particular day or whatever, but there was 628 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 5: no need for me to do any brief I did 629 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 5: briefings for the press. I was reading a top secret 630 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 5: document in a vault and at the same time I'm 631 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 5: here in CNN and it's reading verbatim what I'm reading 632 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 5: and it just came in, so they must have had 633 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 5: their own link, but I had. I had downtime, so 634 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 5: I'm in uniform at the time. I'm in East six. 635 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 5: I have all my ribbons, I had this good haircut, 636 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 5: shine shoes, I was in my light blue shirt. I 637 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 5: couldn't find the Department of Navy that paid Bob, it 638 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 5: wasn't anywhere in the Pentagon directory, which is kind of suspect. Later, 639 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 5: I was told that there are about four ZIP codes 640 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 5: that go to places that don't exist. So I wandered around. 641 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 5: I decided to go to Naval Investigative Services. I think 642 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 5: that was the office, and the door was opened. There's 643 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 5: a young Lieutenant JG behind the counter and I said, Sara, 644 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 5: I have a question. I said, I can I help you, Sory? 645 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 5: And she said, where is this department of the Navy? 646 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 5: And I hand them Bob's W two and he looks 647 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 5: at it, it looks at me, looks at it again. 648 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 5: Excuse me, sergeant. He gets up, he walks into the 649 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 5: two star admiral's office. He's in here ten or fifteen seconds, 650 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 5: maybe twenty seconds. He comes out and he says, the 651 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 5: admiral will see you. 652 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 4: Now. 653 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 5: Now, anybody who's been in the Navy or in the military, 654 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 5: you know that some no two star admiral is going 655 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 5: to talk to an enlisted puke. And that's the way 656 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 5: they sort of look at us, enlisted puke. And to 657 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 5: add insult to injury, not only is the Air Force, 658 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 5: I'm also Air National Guard because I rejoined the Guard 659 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 5: after I got out of the Air Force. So I 660 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 5: go in there and I give him a sharp salute. 661 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 5: He doesn't say at ease, he said, parade rest. So 662 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 5: I'm standing there and he has Bob's W two in 663 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 5: his hand and he's shaking. He said, Sergeant, I don't 664 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 5: know where you got this, but if I ever see 665 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 5: your face cross the threshold of my office ever again, 666 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 5: you'll be the most sorry son of a bitch NCO 667 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 5: in the United States Military. Do you understand me, Sergeant? 668 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 5: I said, yes, sir. He said with that, he said, 669 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 5: you're dismissed. But he took Bob's W two and put 670 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 5: it in the shredder. I gave him his hearty good salute. 671 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 5: Did about face, walked out, and I said, oh boy. 672 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 4: Those are two really strong, credible pieces that support Bob's 673 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 4: story from first hand you personally, so I think that's 674 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 4: a really important piece right there. Can you tell us 675 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 4: a little bit about this upcoming project? 676 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 5: It is incredible. I'm listed in the credits a technical 677 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 5: advisor Luigi project crevitor. Yeah. The official title of the 678 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 5: movie is Bob Bazaar, and then underneath the original whistle 679 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 5: blower talking with Bob. He said he's seen some of 680 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 5: the images and clips and he's been working very closely 681 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 5: with him for about two and a half almost three years, 682 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 5: and he said it's given him chills. He gets goosebumps 683 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 5: when he sees it. He says that you can almost 684 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 5: smell the hanger. And there's three parts. There's three parts 685 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 5: to the original Whistleblower. When is the movie and it's 686 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 5: going to be premiered in Las Vegas around Christmas time 687 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 5: and Luigi is trying to get the Las Vegas Fear 688 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 5: the Big Old Ball. 689 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be great. 690 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 5: For the world premiere, and I'm one of the VIP guests, 691 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 5: so I'm going to be I'll be in the front row. 692 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 5: That is exciting. The other part they're going to come out, 693 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 5: they're going to come out with a I think it's 694 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 5: in cast metal, but it would be a quarter inch 695 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 5: hangar area S four hangar with all the equipment in it, 696 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 5: with a complete sports model UFO that you can take 697 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 5: the recreation recreation. It is absolutely phenomenal. The box that 698 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 5: the sports model comes in. The inside of the box, 699 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 5: if you cut off the side of S' laying down flat, 700 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 5: that's going to be the inside of the hangar, all 701 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 5: the artwork on the walls, but then all this support equipment. 702 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 5: I don't know what that's going to cost, but I'm 703 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 5: getting one. And then Bob told me there's a third 704 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 5: segment to the program and if it works, it will 705 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 5: literally be the most significant event since man stood up. 706 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 5: I said, it's either going to be the most incredible 707 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 5: release of information and technology or it's going to literally 708 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 5: blow up on our face. I said, well, have you 709 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 5: secured the required elements to fly it? That being Element 710 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 5: one fifteen that the world said it never existed, it 711 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 5: doesn't exist. Well, and then the Swiss actually made some 712 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 5: and I think it has been made a few other places. 713 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 5: Said do you have enough Element one fifteen if you're 714 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 5: going to fly whatever this thing you're talking about. He 715 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 5: just smiled, and he said, and nothing is in one location. 716 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 5: It's scattered all over the place and there's only a 717 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 5: handful of people who know where that stuff is. 718 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 4: This is going to be very exciting when all of 719 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 4: this comes out. 720 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 5: Jim, Oh, it is, And I was I'm welcoming it 721 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 5: in Bob's place anytime. He said, bring your dog. And 722 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 5: he has ten acres and he has three big Dogs 723 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 5: and it's just a lot of fun. And Bob is 724 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,479 Speaker 5: real and that's that's the other thing that you see 725 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,959 Speaker 5: some of these characters and you have to shake your head, 726 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 5: especially the ones that work for our government coming out. 727 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, help me ask you another question, Jim. You've seen 728 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 4: these big three UFO videos that were officially released by 729 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 4: the Department of Defense, like the TikTok and all that. 730 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 4: What do you think of those? 731 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 5: That's like having the moon Lisa and you go to 732 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 5: the back corner behind the frame and rip off a 733 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 5: piece of canvas and say, well, here's your proof. 734 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 4: So Jim, we're gonna have to stop there. This was 735 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 4: really awesome. I really enjoyed hearing these story rais, as 736 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 4: I'm sure everyone listening does too. And you can follow 737 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 4: his exploits on Facebook. Just search for James See goodawe 738 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 4: and thank you for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be 739 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 4: back next week with an all new episode. You can 740 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 4: follow me Captain Ron on Twitter and Instagram at CID 741 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 4: Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out Contact inthedesert 742 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 4: dot com. Stay open minded and rational as we explore 743 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 4: the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 744 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 4: Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 745 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 746 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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