1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Adamized Studios. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 2: I'm Sean, come man, I'm a the executive chef in 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: a recovery. It's Friday lunch, so I'm here with all 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: the chefs clicking away. 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 4: Nice, I know it's busy and girl, and I'm Jama 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 4: Nice to me and I'm hot The Psychology of Your 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 4: Twenties at the podcast. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 3: Jemmy speG and I met for the first time just 11 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 3: a few days ago in the River Cafe. She was 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: introduced to me as the most exciting podcaster today. 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 5: Not great for my ego. Distance keeps us apart. 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: She lives in Sydney, I live in London, and we're 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: in different stages of our lives for sure, but that 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 3: doesn't seem to matter. We both love talking to people, 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: we both love eating delicious food, and we both love 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: pondering situations and finding solutions. 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 5: Listen to the. 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: Titles of some of her episodes on Psychology of Your 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: Twenties and you'll see why I Am hooked, Embrace your 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 3: Authentic Self, Daddy issues, why we date the wrong people, 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: career anxiety, disillusionment, and feeling stuck Gemma has been in 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: the River Cafe. Cooking asparak is fun due to with 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 3: the chefs. We're going to have lunch and talk some 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: more on Monday. She's going back to Australia, but something 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: tells me I'm not letting her go. 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: That's for sure. 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 5: That's for sure. 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 3: So tell me about cooking fun, Duta, how is that 31 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: in the River Cafe kitchen? 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 4: It was amazing. I actually used to work in a restaurant. 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: I used to work at a steak restaurant yeap in Australia, 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 4: in Canberra, so Canberra, capital of Australia. It was how 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 4: I paid my bills when I was at Uni and broke, 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 4: and so it was really fun to come back and 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: to be back in the same kind of situation and 38 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: cooking something. And actually we didn't cook much. 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 5: Fresh food so stastant. 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: At the steak restaurant now it was fat potatoes. So asparagus, 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 4: fresh asparagus was a nice treat, that's for sure. I'm doing. 42 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: I'm so excited. 43 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 6: Cool. 44 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: So we're going to cook asparagus, which is really slap 45 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 2: back in season now, like it's English asparagus and it's 46 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: it's exactly peak season. And then we've made this sauce 47 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: out of cramb fresh eggyolks and palms. 48 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 5: It's really yummy. 49 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: But the sauces is just you put the three ingreetments 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: together and cook them together. And we've done that, and 51 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: I'll just show you how we put it together. 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: Oh I'm so excited. 53 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that living in not very not very 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: long at all, for or four minutes, but because. 55 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 5: It's so fresh. 56 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't take that long as to cook super fresh, 57 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: actually probably slightly. 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: When it turns that beautiful shade of grain, it's just gorgeous. 59 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: And what we might do is we have this sauce 60 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: which is really yummy, which is. 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 4: Put on a plate like this, it looks like coustant almost. 62 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 4: I know it's savory exactly. 63 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: You can see the classes of it the guests, you know, 64 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: the size based on exactly people or how hungry you are, 65 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: how hungry. 66 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 6: They are. 67 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 4: Here we go look at that simple but amazing cheese. 68 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 4: Oh they like more or less? Yeah, me too. We've 69 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 4: got to have more farmers exactly. 70 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 5: You don't have too much. 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 4: This just makes everything better, great goodness. 72 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: Sometimes this is probably one of our most popular dishes 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: that we have on the lifetime. 74 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, also with the sun, with the sun and a 75 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: glass of wine, and a glass of wine. 76 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 5: So would you like to read the recipe? 77 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 4: Yes? 78 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 5: Please? 79 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: This recipe says it serves six. I grew up in 80 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: a big family, so it's going to serve ten at least, 81 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: so we're going to have some of these portions. It 82 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 4: recommends a quilo and a half of asparagus. Let's change 83 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: that to three just for fun. Leftovers are always nice. 84 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 4: Two hundredgrams of parmesan you know double that it's four hundred, 85 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: but everyone loves parmesan cheese. You know you never want 86 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: to stop. So let's say five hundred freshly grated garlic 87 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 4: as well, one clove of garlic peeled and crushed, of course, 88 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 4: and then four hundred militers of I don't actually know 89 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: how to pronounce this creme fine. 90 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 5: Frame fresh crim. 91 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 3: Fresh kind of sour cream that you get in France. 92 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 5: Love nice. 93 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: I had some before, but when I had this, so 94 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: eight hundred meals for that, and then four large organic 95 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 4: and of course free range egg yolks. We're not here 96 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 4: for cage, sorry, guys. So your first app will be 97 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: to use a medium sauce pan maybe large in this 98 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 4: instance that will fit inside another larger sauce pan with 99 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 4: enough room to fill with water. We're going to rub 100 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: that crushed garlic around the surface of the smaller pan, 101 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 4: get all those flavors in there, and add the cream 102 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: and a nice amount of parmesan, maybe more than we suggested, 103 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: and of course your egg yolks. Place the pan on 104 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: top of the hot water and stirring gently until the 105 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 4: sauce thickens. That should be about fifteen minutes, and of 106 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 4: course salt and pepper. Let's season it. Well, snap off 107 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 4: the ends of the asparagus and cook that in the 108 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 4: boiling water for three to four minutes. Interestingly, when I 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 4: had it was a bit aldente, which was really really nice, 110 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 4: So maybe sitting a little bit below that three minutes, 111 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: whatever takes your fancy, and then drain it, place in 112 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: a warm bowl and pour the fondue over the asparagus. 113 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: Maybe add a little bit of olive oil if you're 114 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 4: feeling extra excited by that. Of course, the River Cafe 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: olive oil is amazing, so that would be my preference, 116 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 4: and serve with you guessed it even more grated parmesan there. 117 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: It is beautiful great. 118 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 5: Do you cook for yourself? Absolutely? 119 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 4: Do you? Yeah? I cook so much. I think I 120 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 4: travel so much right that when I'm home and when 121 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: I'm back in Sydney, I really don't want to go 122 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 4: out and eat out all the time or order in. 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 4: I want to be alone or with my I live 124 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: with housemates actually still I live with three boys, three 125 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: guys in their twenties. It's very a new girl situation 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 4: if you've seen that TV show. And one of my 127 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 4: favorite things to do when I'm back is to cook 128 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 4: something for them. So every Sunday night we do. I 129 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: call it family dinner. We're not related, but by hearts 130 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: we are. 131 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: Something that I've been lockdown, sort of eased up. We 132 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: were allowed to go out, but everybody was pretty much 133 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: in their own homes. A friend of mine was making 134 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: a movie actually say with Austin, but we've about lost 135 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: a Minuteicot, and we started having Sunday night supper. So 136 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 3: I would cook, they would kind of do some shopping, 137 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: or we'd cook and just get together. And then we 138 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: played a game of cards. And they were about eight 139 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: of us, and we met every Sunday night for almost 140 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: thirty well for thirty nine weeks now it just became 141 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: very important as Sunday night dinner kind of end of 142 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: the week, the beginning of the new week. Sundays are 143 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: kind of grim. Is that what you What do you 144 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: like about Sunday night suffers? 145 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: That is spot on, and I think it emulates a 146 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: family system that we when we get older, we don't have. 147 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: But the way that I really saw it was you 148 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 4: start your week off doing something for someone else. So 149 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: it was a really beautiful way for me to express 150 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 4: my love for these people and show them generosity by 151 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: going and getting a leg of lamb or making Italian 152 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: meatballs or lasagna, and really starting the week off having 153 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: done something for someone else. And we also play cards, 154 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: did you yeah you're gay? Okay? So ours is actually 155 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 4: monopoly deal? So's it's a card version of monopoly. 156 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 5: So maybe not as do you buy sell hope else? 157 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, it's the only it's the only taste 158 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: of property ownership I think I'm gonna get for a while. 159 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: So it keeps me on. 160 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 5: Maybe not? Or do you live with? What are the 161 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 5: guys like? 162 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: They're amazing? I really love them. One of them is 163 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 4: an actor. One of them is in finance. One of 164 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 4: them is in marketing. It's very different from what I do. 165 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: Maybe Jack is the actor. He's actually moving to Paris soon. 166 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: So the Sunday Dinners are sadly coming to an end 167 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 4: in October. But it's also really it's nice, I think 168 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 4: in some ways because it makes me feel quite maternal 169 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 4: as well, and I think that's an instinct that I've 170 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: always had, and I think that food and family are 171 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 4: very much synonymous. So maybe it's because I always saw 172 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 4: my mum doing this for me and for my dad 173 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: and for my cousins and my aunts and my uncles, 174 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: that I've really taken the reins from it. I've taken 175 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: that from her, and it's it's really interesting when we 176 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: think about psychology. Actually, everyone like I don't want to 177 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: turn into my parents, I don't want to be like them, 178 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 4: and I'm like, I absolutely want to be like her. 179 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 4: She has generosity running through her blood. She's a wonderful woman. 180 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: I found that very touching when you said you want 181 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 3: to be like your mother. That's every parent's dream and 182 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 3: it certainly was mine as well. I think you can 183 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: tell people who come from happy families where they loved 184 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: and where they want to love, So tell me what 185 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: it was like growing up in your house. 186 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 4: It's interesting. My dad's from Queensland, so it's kind of rual. 187 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: It's a bit rough in tumble sometimes. My mom's actually 188 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 4: from Wisconsin, so I was American. She's American. 189 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. Had she end up in Australia. 190 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: It's kind of actually a hard story. 191 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 5: You know. 192 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 4: Her parents got divorced and her dad kind of walked 193 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 4: out of the picture. She hasn't spoken to him for 194 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 4: a while, you know, she won't mind me saying that. 195 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: And she moved with with my grandma and they moved 196 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 4: to Australia, and it was really hard. I think when 197 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 4: they first got here she was old enough to really 198 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 4: have friends and to want to assimilate. She was around fourteen, 199 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 4: and I think that's actually a really hard age to move. 200 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 4: But it has made her a wonderful mother because she 201 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: really understands the importance of belonging. And my dad grew 202 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: up in a big family, so he understood that as well. 203 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 5: And they met in Australia. 204 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 4: They met in Australia. They met at a cricket game 205 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: and my mom went up to him and was like, 206 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: I think you're really cute and the rest is history. 207 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 4: And they did long distance for a while. They have 208 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 4: such a beautiful story. Then it's really nice being able 209 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: to look at your parents and realize that they still 210 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: really like each other and that they really get along. 211 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 4: And every night I'll go home and they always share 212 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 4: a glass of wine together. They cook for each other. Still, 213 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: Like I said, food and love and family. 214 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, are you an only child? 215 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: I'm not. I have two sisters. 216 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 5: So well would meals be? Like, tell me about food 217 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 5: in your house? 218 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: Go back to So my mom was Actually she was 219 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: a break I don't know. She worked full time, she 220 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: traveled a lot. We didn't actually see her very much 221 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: for a little while because she was, you know, trying 222 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 4: to provide for the family. My dad was a stay 223 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: at home dad. So what did she did. She's an 224 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: economist and so she it's so different from what I do, right, 225 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: And she talks about money all day. I talk about feelings. 226 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 4: And she would be traveling, but she would always try 227 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: and come back for at least two or three nights, 228 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 4: and my dad would cook for us. And actually the 229 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: meal that I most associate with my childhood is by 230 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: Jamie Oliver. He has this tuna pasta dish. It was 231 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 4: in his book Fifteen Minute Meals. It's tuna and it's 232 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 4: got this amazing basil flavor and cinnamon and it's like 233 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 4: you would never think that tuna and cinnamon would go well, 234 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 4: but it's like delicious and it's my comfort meal now 235 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: because we ate it so much. You know, my dad 236 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: was really trying to look after three three young girls 237 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 4: and my sisters. One of my sisters is an athlete, 238 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 4: so there was also a lot of driving to practices 239 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 4: and it's it's an Australian Sports Football so AFL, Australian 240 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 4: Football League, so it's kind of like rugby. She's really tall, 241 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 4: she's like she's like over six foot. She's tall, she's beautiful, 242 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: she's so kind and yeah, so that's the mealie most 243 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 4: associated that, or a tuna pasta bakes a lot of tune. 244 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,119 Speaker 5: It's simple with tuna, and then. 245 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 4: For dessert, we would have berry cobbler, which is a classic, 246 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 4: right everyone, When you think of cobbler, you think of 247 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: warmth and cozy in childhood and what. 248 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 5: Is verry cop can you describe it? 249 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 4: So berry cobbler, it's kind of like I think it 250 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: was like kind of a poor man's dish back in 251 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: the day, because it's super simple to make. It's these 252 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: berries that you cook in this like amazing sugary syrup 253 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: and with butter, and then on top you put like 254 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 4: egg and more butter and sugar and flour together and 255 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 4: you mix it all up and then crumble it on 256 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 4: so crumble. 257 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: So you grew up with your dad and he would 258 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: cook edward every night, a different kind of dinner. 259 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 5: Did he did. 260 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: He really spend time and making sure that everything was good. 261 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 4: He did. He's from an Italian family, so I think 262 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 4: it's like this generational thing. His mom used to put 263 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: so much care into her meals, and he would do 264 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 4: that for us. 265 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 5: And when your mom cooked, what would she cook? 266 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: She loves fresh food. We used to do this thing 267 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 4: called snack plate. And it's what that would mean was 268 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: we would go to the markets with her when she 269 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 4: was back on Saturday or Sunday, the Queen Victoria Markets. 270 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: If you're ever in Melbourne, it's amazing. You know, if 271 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 4: you live there, you know all the tenders and you 272 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 4: know everyone, and she would take us and we would 273 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: all get to choose what snacks we would want on 274 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: the snack plate. It's kind of like a checruderie board 275 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 4: chacuderi boards before we knew what that was, and with 276 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 4: very cheap deli meats, not prostudo. But we would and 277 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 4: we would have carrots and she would always get these 278 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 4: amazing cherry tomatoes and cucumber that she would slice and 279 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 4: dips and it was very like Mediterranean and we would 280 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 4: put it down on the table. And then there was 281 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 4: always a portion for sweet foods and the one the 282 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: sweet food that we'd always get was chocolate covered pretzels 283 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: and they were like, they were amazing. She was She 284 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: worked so hard, you know she, but she still wanted 285 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: to when she had the time to provide and to 286 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: do amazing things. And every Christmas she would She's the 287 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 4: pillar of our family Christmases. Nothing would no one would 288 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: eat without that woman like she's she's such a provider. 289 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 5: So this was your growing up. 290 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: You're growing up with this food, with your father cooking, 291 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: your mother coming back from a business trip and cooking. 292 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: What were your teenagers like? Were you quite a happy 293 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: teenager or was it conflicted? 294 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: I actually wasn't. I don't think I was very I 295 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 4: think I was I was a bit of a strange child. 296 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 4: I was a bit of a strange teenager. I was 297 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 4: very I was very focused on academic success, and I 298 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: went to a public school in inner city Melbourne, where 299 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: it was the thing to be very different and to be, 300 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 4: you know, drinking early and to be doing like rock 301 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 4: and roll music and to be it was very like 302 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: punk almost, And I was kind of I was a 303 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: very anxious teenager, and I just wanted to do well 304 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 4: in school and I wanted to go on to university. 305 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: I wanted to spend time in nature and by myself, 306 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: and I think that I was kind of lonely. I 307 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: had had friends, but I think I've always wanted to 308 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: examine things deeper in a way that can sometimes make 309 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: people a bit uncomfortable, and especially when you're younger and 310 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: talking about your feelings isn't really as popular as it 311 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 4: is now. And so it actually meant that I left 312 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: home really young. Wow, I just turned seventeen to go 313 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: to university because where was it. I went to Canberra, 314 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: so I'm in Australia. It's really uncommon to move away 315 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 4: from your home city. But I think I was just like, 316 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: I need to, I need to. 317 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 5: How far is Canberra. From Melbourne, it's. 318 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: Around an eight hour drive, so yeah, and it was. 319 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 4: It wasn't in Australia, that's not that far, but in 320 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: other places, you know, in Europe's that's really fast. So 321 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 4: and I moved out of home and I think that's 322 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 4: this is gonna sound weird, but I think that's where 323 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: like I really came alive and I became a person 324 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 4: rather than just someone who has memories and other people's 325 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 4: thoughts about me. 326 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 5: What made you kind of blossom in that way from 327 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 5: your high school to college. 328 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: I think it was like, I'm in this new place, 329 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 4: no one knows who I am. 330 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 5: You can make your own identity. 331 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it actually was. That was such a good 332 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: question because it it was like I didn't actually need 333 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: to make my own identity. It was like my identity 334 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: was already there and I just let people see it. 335 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: And I just met the best people I've ever met 336 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: in my life. I'm still really really close with them, 337 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: and they were just so intelligent. It was this shared 338 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 4: value set. We'd all moved away from home in an 339 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: environment where that's not common for a reason, and we 340 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: moved into the shed and living We lived in this 341 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: massive dorm at five hundred and fifty people and the 342 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 4: kitchen actually it was self catered. Was the largest non industrial, 343 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: non commercial kitchen in the Southern Hemisphere. Oh it stud 344 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 4: for students. 345 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, did they have Chefso you were all just allowed 346 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 3: to go in there and make your own food. 347 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: Can you imagine what that was like? 348 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 5: I can't. 349 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you one word, messy Yeah. 350 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 5: Messy, messy. 351 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 4: It was gross. 352 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, So what would you do? 353 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: Would you go in there is just clean up before 354 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: you started, or would you just sort of how did 355 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 3: you work in a kitchen like that? 356 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to clean up. Also, you'd have to 357 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: lock away your stuff because everyone's everyone's poorly. Everyone wants 358 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: you know, if you have low pack butter that was 359 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 4: such like a luxury item that would go missing so quickly, 360 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: or avocados, oh, don't even try it. And so we 361 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 4: would come down and we would actually you'd have a 362 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 4: little group. You never wanted to go alone because it 363 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 4: was so intimidating. There's five hundred people and a kitchen 364 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 4: and we're all eighteen, and we're all uncomfortable in ourselves, 365 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: and you know, doing we feel embarrassed just by being alive. 366 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 4: At that age, I think, and you would always text 367 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 4: your friends and be like, okay, anyone want to eat 368 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: and we'd come down. We would cook together, and there 369 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: was the staple meals, right, pesto pasta of course, a 370 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: stir fry naturally, and then always a frozen meal. 371 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 5: Oh okay, I know that, sad okay. 372 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: I never did that, And will you step what were 373 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: you studying at the time? 374 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 4: So I obviously studied psychology, but then little no fact, 375 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: I also studied a Bachelor of Politics, economics and philosophy. 376 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 4: So I wanted to be a politician. 377 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 5: Did you Yeah, I can understand that. 378 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 4: I was really invested in becoming the Minister for women 379 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: at the time in Australia. Was a man who was 380 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: the Minister for women doesn't make any sense. And I 381 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 4: was like, I find that's so uncomfort. I want to 382 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 4: change that. I want to work for defat, I want 383 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 4: to change women's lives. I want to change people's lives. 384 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 4: And then I think I slowly became someone else. And 385 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: I always had this fascination with psychology. 386 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 3: Because the psychology is really interesting in terms of what 387 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: you're doing now. But that path through the psychology at 388 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: at university. 389 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 5: What was that? What did you learn? 390 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 4: I learned so much? I was but I learned so much. 391 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 4: But then at the time, I had stopped working in 392 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 4: the restaurant and I started working in child mal treatment 393 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 4: research because it paid really well. At first, I was like, oh, 394 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 4: this is I have this background and I've learned all 395 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 4: these things, and this job is going to pay really well. 396 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 4: And then suddenly I was like, it doesn't matter if 397 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 4: this doesn't pay well. This is like what I want 398 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 4: to do. So I'd just done a One of the 399 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 4: best courses I ever did was personality psychology and then 400 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 4: also developmental psychology, and I think when we think about psychology, 401 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 4: we about disordered thinking, we think about mental ill health. 402 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 4: And this was about just being like, your average person 403 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 4: is more interesting and nuanced and wonderful than the whole universe, 404 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: like everything everyone has made so differently, and I took 405 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 4: some of that experience. I started working for this study 406 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 4: called the child More Treatment Study in Australia and it's 407 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: like the first of its kind to ever track the 408 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 4: outcomes from people who have experienced neglect or abuse into adulthood. 409 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 4: And I was doing qualitative research for that. So I 410 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 4: was talking to people and it was hard, but I 411 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 4: was like, this is what I want to do, and 412 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 4: I know that if I do something else, I won't 413 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 4: be able to do that. Sorry, I know this isn't it. 414 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: It's food, no, no, no, but it's the same. And also 415 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: when you started, you started out by saying that you 416 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: cooked Sunday night dinners to make people, and there was 417 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: a whole connection. It wasn't just to feed your friends 418 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: or to have a great day shopping and cooking. There 419 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: was a definite connection with people and making them feel loved, 420 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: making them feel a memory of their family, making them 421 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: feel ready for the week, making them feel making them 422 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: feel understood and that you cared about them. And I 423 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: think that this all seems to be tied in. You know, 424 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: that's what you're doing. 425 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: I always wanted to practice. I was like, I'm going 426 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: to go back to practicing. I'm going to become a psychologist. 427 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 4: And that was the trajectory I was on. And then 428 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: I became a therapist for people in an entirely new 429 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 4: way that I think only this generation and this like 430 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 4: the last few decades have allowed like suddenly it's almost 431 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 4: so much more efficient. Sometimes I say to people like 432 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 4: obviously take my advice with a grain of salt. I 433 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: don't know you, you don't know me. We don't have 434 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 4: this bond. I don't know, we don't have a relationship. 435 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 4: But I think the beauty of being able to immerse 436 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 4: myself in the theory and then also to do a 437 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: lot of that work children and with people who experienced 438 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 4: domestic violence as well, was that I'm able to make 439 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: all of that knowledge so much more accessible with people 440 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 4: who need it without it being wrapped up in all 441 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 4: this academic jargon. So I don't know, maybe I'll go 442 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 4: back and finish it up. I'm thinking about doing a 443 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: pH d. That would be so much fun. 444 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 5: Yeah why not? Yeah? Honestly, from one podcast which to another. 445 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: If we've heard the story of your university child days, 446 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: tell me how. 447 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 5: Did it happen? How did you decide? Is it true 448 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 5: that it started in the back of a car? 449 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's true. 450 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: I so, actually it started. I went to a breakup 451 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: and it was when COVID was happening, and it was 452 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 4: I've been dating him for almost just over two years. 453 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 4: It was my first love, and I thought we were 454 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: going to get married, and it just like devastated me. 455 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 4: And then suddenly everything was locked down and all the 456 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 4: things that you normally do to heal after a hurt, 457 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 4: you know, you go to the gym, you go traveling, 458 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: you go out with your friends to get your friends, 459 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: you tell your friends everything, they come over, you get drunk, 460 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: everyone's they cry with you. Suddenly I couldn't do that, 461 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 4: and I just one day had this idea. I have 462 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: this theory that sometimes there's something in the world that 463 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 4: just places an idea in your brain and you just 464 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: have to grab it, like you just It's like a gift. 465 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: Everyone gets an idea that could be the choice of 466 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 4: their life at some point, but you have to be 467 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: like this is I'm going to take this now and 468 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 4: it's mine and I'm going to give it everything. I'm 469 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 4: going to like birth this idea, and that just kind 470 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: of happened. I was like one day I was like, oh, 471 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: the psychology of your twenties. I wonder what that would 472 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 4: be like, Oh my goodness. And then I called my 473 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 4: best friend and I was like, what do you think 474 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 4: about like if I started a podcast? And she was like, 475 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 4: that would be such a great outlet for you. I 476 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 4: think she was sick of listening to me have the 477 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: conversations I now have on the show with her, and 478 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: so I was like, let's do this, and just googled, 479 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 4: like where can I how to start a podcast? I 480 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: literally went on wiki how. 481 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand that. Yeah. 482 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 4: I never ever thought that it would be what it became. 483 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 4: I just wanted to do it. I always say to 484 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: people I would have kept doing it even if no 485 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 4: one listened. 486 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 5: Where did the idea of doing it in the back 487 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 5: of your car come from? 488 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot the back of the car. Well. 489 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: I lived in a house with six seven people and 490 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: we had very thin walls, so the only place I 491 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 4: had that was private was my super Forester two thousand 492 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: and seven. 493 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 5: Wh So you're still a university. 494 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: I'm still a university. 495 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 496 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 4: I started it when in my final year and I 497 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 4: sat in the back of my car with my phone 498 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 4: and I was like, today we're going to talk about 499 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: imposter syndrome, and you know this is I'm starting this podcast. 500 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 4: And I'd written a script as well, and I printed 501 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: it out at the One of my housemates has a printer, 502 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: and I sat there with my phone in one hand 503 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 4: recording it. And then the thing in the other hand, 504 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 4: and I had the overhead light on and only one 505 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: of them works, and just just and also sorry, this 506 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 4: is so funny. My car's very old and I don't 507 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 4: take good care of it, so you can actually you 508 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: lock yourself in like all the time, and the keys 509 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 4: don't unlock it, so you have to roll down the 510 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 4: window and get out then. And so I actually think 511 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 4: that happened. 512 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 5: In my car. Did you have guests on your show 513 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 5: or did you just do it by yourself? 514 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: And I did have guests, but they were my friends. 515 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 4: So it's interesting. 516 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 5: I look like, come and sit in the car with you. 517 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, they come and sit in the car, or I 518 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 4: would go we would do it at their house, like 519 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: I remember one of my best friend's Phoebe. Oh gosh, 520 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 4: she's amazing, And we sat on the ground in her 521 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: kitchen or like lounge room, and we had like a 522 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 4: little stool in front of us, and we had like 523 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: we were just getting drunk. And we recorded an episode 524 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: and it's still up. 525 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 5: Which one is it? 526 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 4: Let's get friendly with Phoebe and you just talked about 527 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: and I feel they've all given me permission now, you know, 528 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 4: when we recorded these I didn't think that there was 529 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 4: going to be millions of people listening to them. So 530 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 4: we're telling them about where we went to primary school, 531 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 4: We're telling them about our first pets, name all the 532 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 4: questions that your bank asked you for your security code. 533 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 4: And now I'm like, oh shit, like yeah. And then 534 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 4: only at the start of this year did I really 535 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 4: start getting like guests on that I maybe hadn't met before, 536 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 4: have only met a couple of times, people that I've 537 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 4: known for six seven years. 538 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, alist year's success became more evident. Were you able 539 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: to eat more kind the food that you wanted to eat? 540 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 3: We were able to afford better food. 541 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: Can I tell you a secret? So the podcast took 542 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 4: a while to take off, so I was working a 543 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 4: nine to five job, but I remember the first time 544 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 4: I ever made like a cent from the podcast. I 545 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: went to this restaurant in Sydney called Toddi's. Everyone knows 546 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 4: that it's so amazing. And I went to Totti's and 547 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 4: I ordered a bread, I ordered a burrata, I ordered 548 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 4: these tomatoes, and I ordered a chocolate torta torte. Remember that, Yeah, 549 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: I can remember it because it's my favorite meal. It's 550 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 4: my like, if I'm going to go and spend money 551 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 4: on a meal in Sydney where I am, I'm going 552 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: to Toddies they know me now and a Limon Tello spirits. 553 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 4: I don't most people don't like them, but I think 554 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 4: they're great. 555 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 3: Did you say that people like you or many people 556 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: that I've talked to measure in a way there's success 557 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 3: through the ability to eat more interesting food. 558 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 4: That's so true, And I think also I still look 559 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 4: at the like now I have a lot more financial freedom, obviously, 560 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 4: but I still find it weird sometimes to spend money 561 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 4: on nice things like food. But I always think, like 562 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: this is every night I spend and have a good meal, 563 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: it's always the best story ever, like the the other 564 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: night when I came in and ate here. Those experiences 565 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: are so important to me now and it's kind of 566 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 4: a reminder to me that I don't need to stress 567 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: as much as I did when I was really coming 568 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 4: up right, and that if I want to enjoy good 569 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 4: food and food, like you said, such a mark of 570 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 4: success and a mark of I think where you're at 571 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 4: in your life, I can do that. But interestingly, I 572 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 4: still eat some of the same foods anyhow, like it's 573 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 4: always Italian, It's always Italian, always pasta. 574 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 3: And all the episodes that you've done about dating and 575 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 3: pasture syndrome, did people opened up to you about food? 576 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 5: Did food ever come into their conversation? 577 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? And it's sad because when we talk about psychology 578 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 4: and food, it's often around eating disorders and body dysmorphia 579 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 4: and diet culture. So I remember this episode I did 580 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: called the Psychology of Diet Culture, how to Embrace Our Body, 581 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 4: breaking down exactly why our relationship with food these days 582 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: has become so skewed. You know, it's no longer about 583 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: out fueling your body, It's no longer about community and 584 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 4: something to be shared. I think about my little sisters 585 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 4: and oh my god, I just think about I would 586 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: never want them to restrict food or not see it 587 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: as this beautiful thing. It genuinely makes me really upset 588 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 4: to think about it, because I just think food is 589 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 4: not something that needs to have power over you, and 590 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 4: it should be something that liberates you and makes you 591 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 4: feel happy and it makes you feel good emotions. But 592 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 4: that people open up to me a lot about their 593 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 4: relationship with food. 594 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: With food and do you think that it's much more 595 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: women clearly that have that issue, because we're all brought 596 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: up to fit into the right size or to look 597 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: a certain shape. Do you think it's changing though. Do 598 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: you think amongst your friends who are in their twenties 599 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: are thinking differently about food. 600 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 4: I think it is mostly women. Obviously, men also experience 601 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 4: this as well, and it can be hard no matter 602 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 4: who you are. But I think the older you get 603 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 4: as well, the more you gain an identity where you 604 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 4: realize that what you look like is not the most 605 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 4: important thing about you. Your body is just a vessel 606 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: for something deeper, for your soul, for your thoughts. And 607 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: it was like this weird thing I noticed. I worried 608 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: about that a lot when I was younger. I think 609 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 4: there were times I had a very unhealthy relationship with food, 610 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: and I like turned twenty three and I was like, wow, 611 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 4: I suddenly don't care about this anymore. Like it's like 612 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 4: my frontallope like clicked into gear, and I was like, 613 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna eat so much amazing food because life is 614 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 4: short and I love myself and I love my body 615 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 4: and what it does for me, and if my body 616 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: can do what I want it to do, of course 617 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to reward it with some amazing asparagus or 618 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 4: the chocolate water from Tony's. 619 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 620 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, what is your food day? 621 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 4: Like? 622 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 5: What is your breakfast, lunch, and dinner or. 623 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 4: So it changes because I'm traveling so much, but I 624 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 4: think about the best food di I can give you 625 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 4: is when I'm at my parents' house and what I 626 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: eat there so I always wake up. I love avocado toast. 627 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 4: It's just like it hits the spot every time. And 628 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 4: there's this thing called Meredith's goats Feta cheese. Do you 629 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: have that? 630 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 6: Now? 631 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 4: I don't think I can send it to you because 632 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 4: I've been breaking so many laws, but I'll come when 633 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 4: you're in Australia. I'm gonna buy you a massive jar 634 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 4: and you're gonna smuggle it back because it will change 635 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 4: your life. It is the most amazing cheese and you 636 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 4: sprinkle it over and it's the cheese is in this 637 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 4: olive oil and this massive glass jar and you drizzle 638 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: the oil. And I love having that for breakfast. Anytime 639 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 4: I come home. My mom always has one of the 640 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 4: sage for me. Yeah, and then lunch, I'm like not 641 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: a very picky eater, so whatever is up, I will 642 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 4: have some of that. But I love like a chicken salad, 643 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 4: I love a burrito. I snack a lot as well. 644 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 4: I love it. I love snacking. I love a KB butcher, 645 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 4: I love a juice moment, and like an almond croissant 646 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 4: in the afternoon. Look, I'm gonna be honest. I'm from Australia. 647 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 4: We drink a lot. So yeah, it's five o'clock. There's 648 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 4: an apparl in my hand or children, you know, at 649 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 4: the moment because it's summer. And then for dinner, I 650 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 4: what have I been cooking recently? Actually, like my grot 651 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: meal is actually is like a peppered steak and then 652 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 4: and then I slice it up with a pewter bread 653 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 4: like a fresh peter bread bread, and then tatsiki garlic 654 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 4: dip hommus and then tomato and be true and like spinach. 655 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 4: And because I live with three boys, but obviously we 656 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 4: have different schedules, so I always like bog By and 657 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 4: then I'll just eat that for the week because it's 658 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 4: so much simple. But that's my really go to at 659 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 4: the moment. 660 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: And can I ask you your podcast seemed to have 661 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: taken you into the realm of celebrity. You're talking about 662 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: yesterday with your fans and all these fans came to 663 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: your podcast. 664 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 5: What is that like and how did that happen? 665 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 4: It's I don't know how it happened. I think I 666 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 4: really don't know. I think people just they're looking for 667 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 4: someone who's relatable, and I think that's what I am. Like, 668 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 4: you heard my whole story, like I had no real 669 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 4: social media presence before this, and like an Instagram with 670 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 4: like five hundred followers, my friends, my family, and I 671 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 4: think that that really resonates with some people because sometimes 672 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 4: when you hear someone who is an established celebrity talking 673 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 4: about things, you're like, well, how do you know what 674 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 4: I'm going through? How do you know what it's like 675 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: to be ghosted? How do you know what it's like 676 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 4: to have depressive episodes? And how do you know what 677 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: it's like to struggle with money. It's like, I know 678 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 4: all those things because that was me. It's still me, 679 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 4: but you know, I'm in that decade, I'm in that 680 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 4: part of my life. And then we had this one 681 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 4: episode on Loneliness that I actually filmed when I just 682 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 4: moved to Sydney, which where I live now, after leaving Canberra, 683 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 4: and I was sitting in my car. And by that stage, 684 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 4: I'd stopped recording in my car and I had just 685 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: gotten back from something. I was so lonely, and I 686 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 4: just sat down with my phone and I was like, 687 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 4: I'm feeling really lonely, and I know those other people 688 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 4: feeling like this, This is why I'm feeling lonely. This 689 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 4: is the psychology that I know. I'm going to like 690 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 4: almost self therapize here. And it just like went viral everyone. 691 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 4: It was like no one had talked about that before, 692 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 4: and it was so funny, you know, humble beginnings back 693 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 4: in the car again. Yeah, that's the one that really 694 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 4: changed my life. 695 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 5: A loneliness is huge. 696 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 3: We did an interview with Brian Chesky, who started Airbnb, 697 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 3: and he as a kind of really interesting person, wanted 698 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: to do something that invested in people, and he got 699 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 3: in touch with the Surgeon General under Obama and said, 700 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 3: you know, take just go away. Here's your money, just 701 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 3: go away for six months or whatever and study anything 702 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 3: you want to and see what's going on in this country, 703 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: what's going on young people, what's going on with the 704 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 3: people stay in theirbnb? Is what can we do? And 705 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 3: he came back after months and months of research and 706 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 3: looking at data and everything, and he said, there is 707 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 3: one problem in this country. It's not depression, it's not anxiety, 708 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 3: it's not economic fears. 709 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 5: It's loneliness. You know. 710 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: When you said that, probably people really related to that. 711 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 3: And people you know, are lonely with food with the 712 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 3: people who are lonely, and they cook people. You know, 713 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 3: in terms of my world, you see people coming into 714 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: a restaurant with a table of six or eight or ten, 715 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 3: or you see people coming in by themselves. 716 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 5: And he also said that. 717 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 3: Loneliness has nothing to do with being alone. You know 718 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: that you can be in a marriage, you can be 719 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 3: a father, you can be a mother, you can be 720 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 3: cooking for twenty But it's a big thing going on, 721 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: you know, which we're seeking to understand. 722 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 6: Yeah. 723 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I love that. I always say that on 724 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 4: my show. I say that loneliness isn't your enemy, that 725 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 4: you should embrace solitude. It's only natural. But also you 726 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 4: could be surrounded by people and you could. It's just 727 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 4: an emotional state. It's it's nothing more. It's an emotional 728 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 4: state and you can get through it. So food is 729 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 4: a great remedy, isn't it. Well, when you do feel 730 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 4: that way about your emotional state? You might feel lonely, 731 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 4: you might feel sad, you might feel missing someone. 732 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 5: Is there something that you would turn to? 733 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually know my answer straight away. There's this 734 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 4: soup that my mum used to make when I was 735 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 4: when I was sick. It's a lentil and silver beats 736 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 4: silver beet soup with onion and chicken stock. I always 737 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 4: eat that when I'm feeling down, and especially in winter. 738 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 4: And then for dessert, I would be making that crumble 739 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 4: that cobbler. It's so easy, it's cheap. I would I've 740 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 4: made it so many times. And interesting you asked me that, 741 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 4: because when the show first became really big, it was 742 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 4: actually really hard for me. I was really over and 743 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 4: actually quite sad for whatever reason. Like I said, it's 744 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 4: just an emotional state, and that's what. 745 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 5: I cooked good. 746 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 4: So there you go. 747 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 3: Well, I hope you don't need to have comfort food, 748 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 3: but if you do, they do sound very delicious. Yeah, 749 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 3: then thank you so much for coming. I was love 750 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 3: being with you. Thank you, Thank you. 751 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 5: Can I can? 752 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 4: I tell you The other night when we had dinner, 753 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 4: I said to my dad when I got home, I 754 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 4: have I think I have a weird relationship with success. 755 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 4: I'm always waiting for someone to take it away, waiting 756 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 4: for my luck to run out. And I said to 757 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 4: him after the dinner that I had here, if this 758 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 4: is like the best thing that happens, if this is 759 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 4: like the best that it gets, I'm totally happy with that. 760 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 4: It was such a great meal. 761 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 5: It's going to have lots and lots of great meals. 762 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: The River Cafe Look Book is now available in bookshops 763 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: and online. It has over one hundred recipes beautifully illustrated 764 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: with photographs from the renowned photographer for Matthew Donaldson. 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