WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Is It Really That Simple? 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:19.040 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.479 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:33.800 Star in Frisco, sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:39.240 Rob Phillips and Bill Jones and welcome into Talking Cowboys 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.720 inside the SWBC Mortgage studio here at the Start in Frisco. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.480 Rob Phillips hosting for the great Bill Jones today. Brian 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.199 brought us across the table from me, Mickey Spagnola to 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.640 my right. Happy Thursday to everybody. How are you gents 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:59.920 doing today? Well? Well, yep, cowboys practicing inside on this Thursday, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.760 cloudy day here in Frisco, Texas. And the New York 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.039 Jets are up next three twenty five pm kickoff Central 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.920 Time at the Meadowlands this Sunday, and we're going to 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.600 continue breaking up down that matchup over the next forty 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:15.959 five minutes if you want to give us a call. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.280 Eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.160 is the number. We've talked to quite a bit of 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:25.240 Jets so far this week. We can continue looking at 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.480 some of those key matchups. I know, Brian, you've identified 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.640 three key guys to watch. Yeah, any of those really 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.800 strike your fancy that the Cowboys got to pay attention 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.360 to this week. Yeah. You know, to me, I always 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.480 worry about a guy like Levy on Bell And I 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.280 know Mickey's been absolutely right talking about the struggles with 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.240 their offensive line, their inability to really run the football. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.840 But you just worry about a player with that kind 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.800 of ability, not only maybe he pops went through there 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:55.440 and all of a sudden they get a little momentum. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.080 Maybe they throw him the ball in the flat and 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.440 you don't tackle very well. Maybe they get down in 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.320 the red zone and they flip it to him and 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.320 you know, one of those misdirection flip blaze and he 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.080 runs in. You know, those are the kinds of things. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.120 He is a better back than what you saw with 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.919 Aaron Jones. The problem is their offensive line is not 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.600 as good as the Green Bay Packers. That worries me 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.640 a little bit. Maybe they get him going, Maybe the 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.040 Cowboys don't tackle well again, maybe they don't get off 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.600 blocks well enough. Maybe they don't do the fundamental things 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.880 that they've been needing to do to win these games 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.600 that they just don't. They don't execute well enough, and 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.200 then there's a problem right there, because then you've got 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.440 a quarterback that's willing to make some throws down the field. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.840 He'll use Jamison Crowder on some of the stuff as 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.480 a matchup I wrote about today with him and Anthony Brown. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.480 But yeah, I worry about Leveon Bell getting some things 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.160 going from their offensive getting their quarterback back, and then 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.519 putting a little pressure on the Cowboys that way. Let's 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.240 see if if the Jets can block up front. They've 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.400 had a huge problems doing that. If they can, then 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.240 this game will be a lot closer than it should be. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.280 Mike Leveon Bell has been He's been their guy on offense, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.440 both in terms of probably schemed that way and a 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.840 bailout guy in the passing game as well. Yeah, I 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.520 mean I kind of worry more about dumping off passes 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.800 to him getting them out in space. Yeah, because they're 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.079 having trouble on their offensive line. Like Brian said, they 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.560 they've changed up a little. I saw where Alex Lewis 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.840 was taken over for assembly. Who's half. He didn't practice yesterday. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.600 He's been out with a shoulder injury that they I 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.720 don't know how to say the guy's name. Adoga took 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.120 over for Brandon Shell. So they've got changes going on 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.120 that offensive line. But and I didn't realize that we 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.800 were talking about them giving up twenty three sacks, and 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.200 I don't know, you know how much this has been 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.880 on Falk. He got sacked ten times last week. Yeah, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.440 he got hit sixteen times. Yeah, not good. So no 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.160 wonder the guy through two interceptions. You got that team 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.480 next week by the way, Philadelphia, Yeah, and had five 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.080 passes defense. Yeah, on't worry at a time exactly, but yeah, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.320 I mean if they can't block any better than that, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.440 So you know he's now with Darnald there, maybe that 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.040 you know, you get a different dimension at quarterback and 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:15.080 you can't concentrate so much on stopping the run because 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.880 they haven't been able to run the football even with him. Yeah, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.640 it's almost like, you know, with with that guy in there, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.159 it's like, okay, you can beat us, go ahead and 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.160 beat us, but that guy in't gonna beat me. And 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.960 I think it's a different story with Darnald. Yeah, you 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.560 mentioned some of their injuries up front. What does the 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.960 Cowboys injury report look like as they get back to 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.719 practice today. Well, neither neither tackle is expected to play, 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:44.560 so Cam left and or practice or play I mean 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:49.040 practice today, Yeah, yeah, okay, and then uh, you know 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:54.279 you get Cam left and Brandon Knight right. I still 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:59.279 think they their original thought was for Tyrant Smith to 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.760 practice tomorrow. Yeah, we'll see if no. I totally agree 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.520 with you on that. If he does that, then he 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.800 plays on Sunday. And it sounded like if he plays 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.560 on Sunday that Cam Fleming's the right tackle. The way 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.360 the head coach was talking, Mickey's absolutely right here, He's 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.080 absolutely right. The plan all along, I believe was to 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.839 give to give him, give Tyrant Smith a couple of 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.799 days to continue to rehab, rest, heal up on the ankle, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.200 work with Britt Brown, and then get him out there 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.279 on Friday a little bit shorter practice, you know, about 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.280 thirty minutes shorter than they normally go. Get him go 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.760 and get him off his feet, but play him at 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.000 left tackle. So the questions that we had for Jason 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.680 Garrett and the walk off, we're talking about what would 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.720 be the situation at right tackle. And he identified Mickey 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.280 correct me if I'm wrong. He identified Cam Fleming as 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.320 his swing tackle. So even though Cam Fleming play has 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.719 been practicing all week at left tackle, then if Collins 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.839 does not go, which I don't think he's going to go. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.719 I think Cam Fleming is going to be your right tackle. Now, 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.920 that's that's his job. He's got to know the right side. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.039 He's got to know the left side. But they but 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.560 in practice, even when they were all healthy, Cam Fleming 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.880 goes in there and plays reps for Collins at right tackle. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.240 He gets to work with Zach Martin over there, he 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.840 gets to work. Last week he got work with with 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.680 Connor Williams. So as a swing tackle, you have to 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.039 be able to play both sides and you have to 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.520 be able to you know, when you say, okay, I'm 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.839 I'm left tackle today, I got to think about my 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.360 left tackle plays. When I'm right tackle. I've got to 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.920 know those side of the plays too. My foot works different, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.880 my angles are different, my eyes are different. So these 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:40.960 are all things you have to flip your brain to do. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.880 And that's why he has the gig as the right 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.280 as the swing tackle, because he's capable of doing those things. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.120 And he mentioned that last week that he gets work 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.640 in practice even when he tackles are healthy. He does, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.039 and that's where experience comes in with him right over 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.400 a Brandon Knight. The fact that he's played I think 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.520 we've talked about the Super Bowl and all that he 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.760 played right tackle. I'm saying that, and Mickey gave me 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.200 the death stairs last time. I kind of did that 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.599 for you. I just love that. I just hope, I 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.719 just hope his results are different. Yeah, well, you know, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.000 and that's you know. I was asked this morning on 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.120 one oh five three, which guy would I go with? 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.240 I agree with what you know, the concerns that Mickey has. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.560 I mean, he's not wrong about about Cam Fleming and 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.600 some of the chaos it comes with him. When he blocks. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.760 It doesn't look pretty. It's not always right. It's there's 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.880 pressure there. I mean, Jason Garrett call it ugly production. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.600 Ugly productions that I've been told for all this time, 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.080 because he said I was told last year. If you 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.800 watch how he does it, it's it's not pretty. But 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.520 sometimes the result he is he makes the defender run 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.080 over him to get to the ball, and so that's 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.640 sometimes it's ugly. He doesn't set his feet well enough. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.480 He's not always strong at the point of attack, you know, 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.080 but the experience and all those things that you want 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.400 to say, there comes a point in time that you know, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.960 maybe maybe it's a season wears along. If they continue 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.920 to work with end to night, that he will then 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.560 become the swing tackle and they'll flip roles a lot 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.760 to ask right now of an undrafted They threw that kid, 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.800 They played him at tackle, they've played him at guard. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.080 Evidently they feel like and Mark Colombo had a big, 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.720 big hand on this one, because I'm I'm not gonna lie. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.840 I did not see Brandon Knight making this football team 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:23.880 coming out of oxnart Well. And then all of a 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.800 sudden we started hearing oh wait a minute, now, oh 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.480 wait a minute, And then it was what and when 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.960 he did? Yeah, And they had some injuries and you're wondering, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.959 how are they going to get Cedric Wilson up practice 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.200 him still kept him still Well, I think they look 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.200 at him as as as a futures I don't think 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:45.160 the futures today. Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, and the 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.000 fact that he could play guard and tackle. Yeah, because 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.559 if you Brian's right, when he made the team, it 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.720 was like, seriously, yeah, after watching him in training camp. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.640 He struggled. Yeah, and he wasn't perfect in the game 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.920 by no means. But that's his first I get it, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.559 it's his first, but it was only a quarter and 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:07.920 a half. And what happens when the is gonna play? Sure, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.360 but when Green Bay knows you're throwing pretty much every time, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.840 that's difficult. He hung in there against the Smiths, you know. 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.600 That's all you can ask for him, you know, And 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.760 he got a little confidence doing that. And you know, Mickey, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.079 it's funny you say, you know, maybe the time is 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.040 it now, but maybe the time is now. It has 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.000 to be. It has to be now, because you know, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.720 you don't want to If Cam Fleming is winning with 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.120 ugly production, you know, then okay, I see what you're 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.520 saying there. But maybe the other guy is winning. But 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.200 he is productive, His technique is good, he's playing with 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.680 more power. They're getting more from him in the running game. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.640 You know, he's showing up. He's not giving up pressures. 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:46.920 I think that's the thing I worry about Cam Fleming 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.400 the most is you just don't know when he's going 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.959 to give up that one bad play or that one 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.160 you know, And I guess I need to say that 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.360 about all those line it. Connor Williams has the same 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.440 problems sometimes when's Connor Williams going to over extend and 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.720 allow the three technique to get around him and get 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.040 up in the middle of the pocket and cause Dak problems. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.280 You know, these guys aren't perfect. They aren't perfect. But 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.600 are you going to take a guy that's, you know, 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.840 the guy that's a little bit more consistent with this technique, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.480 or you're going to take the guy that's winning with 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.719 ugly production. I that's that's that's the debate that they 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.320 need to have. I love this quote from DeMarcus Lawrence 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:25.280 yesterday on the subject of injuries. Yeah, because you always 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.840 say nobody nobody cares, nobody cares. He said, who cares? 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.160 You care? To be honest, do you really care? Nobody cares. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.840 Nobody cares about your feelings. Nobody cares if you're hurt, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.880 Nobody cares if you're broke, rich, nobody cares. Who cares? 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.880 Be you go to work. That's straight out of the pole. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.520 He said, he was done and he was out of there. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:49.640 And think about this last week we're doing again this week. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.280 You spend all week talking about injuries, right then, you 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.360 go in the game and the result doesn't come out 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.320 the way you're expecting, right, and no one says, well, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.280 it's because of injuries, right, you got beat Yeah, this 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.719 guy through three interceptions, this guy didn't run for more 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.600 than sixty five yards, But no one points out that, well, yeah, 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.360 they were pretty compromised on the offensive line for more 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.199 than a quarter of the game. It disappears Lawrence is right, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.800 he's right. You know, we talk about the injuries, let's 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.520 give the injury report, and then you get to the 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.640 game and all this guy's not gonna play. This guy's 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.160 got gonna play. And then we get the result and 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.600 it's like, well, yeah they lost. What are they doing? 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.920 They didn't play well enough. I think if anybody has 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.040 a reason to feel sorry for themselves, it's the New 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.199 York Jets. Mono of all things. Your quarterback goes down 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.840 with Mono tight end gets suspended, and it looks like, 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.760 now pull the Hamstrmistry's not gonna play. He's one of 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.640 their better players. You know, if there's anybody that should 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.720 feel sorry for themselves, it's the New Orleans Saints. Yeah, 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.240 you know, if you yeah, Teddy Bridgewater, I mean he 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.400 hits his thumb and now he's out, and you know 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.199 what's happening. They've won three straight games with Teddy Bridgewater 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.800 playing quarterback. So all of a sudden, Saints, you like, hey, Drew, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.640 take it easy. Week A week eight, no week ten, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.360 no week eight, I'll be back. Don't forget me week 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.120 you know, and not that Teddy Brees. But there comes 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.400 a certain time where the you know, I didn't feel 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.000 sorry for the Saints. I mean, I was you know, 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.080 what if if you told me that every opponent is 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.040 going to lose Davante Adams or Drew Brees and all that, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.920 you know, take advantage of that, you know, But then again, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.280 you lose Tyrant Smith, you know, you you know, you 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.439 lose guys along the way, and it's Woods is another 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.320 one and so. But but you have to play better 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.160 to compensate for whatever losses you have. The New Orleans 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.640 Saints have played better with the compensation of Drew for 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.920 Drew Brees, They've played better. So the callous Cowboys. This 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.200 to me, rob is such a fundamental game. This, this 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.200 game coming up is such a fundamental game. And you know, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.160 and it's it's not great analysis to say that, but 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:01.240 It's true because this team, and it does things the 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.200 right way, can be very difficult to deal with when 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:09.760 they make mistakes, holding, when they make turnovers or don't 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.760 you know, when they make fundamental mistakes, they're not a 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.079 very good team. They come right back to the team 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.200 and that's what a little bit of worry about the Jets. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.880 Don't give the Jets any hope in this game. You know, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.160 go out there and fundamentally beat them. You're a better 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.920 football team than them. Find a way to block, better, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:27.720 find a way to throw the ball, better, find a 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.760 way to catch the ball, better run the ball, better 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.400 tackle better. You know, don't finish the first quarter with 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.120 zero points. Yeah. See that to me? Is that to 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.559 me is it's such a fundamental thing watching this team play, 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.480 because they could be outstanding when they are when they're 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.040 on it. When they're making mistakes, they're just they're they're 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.120 a bad team. You let me write where I wanted 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.480 to go today, and I've got two partial quotes from 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.720 Zeke yesterday in the locker room. He said, quote basic 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.439 small things. If the offense has to clean up, d 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.199 Law said, quote basic fundamentals that they've got to clean up. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.120 Is that what's holding this team back? Or do you 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.480 look at this team after two losses and say, maybe 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.559 there's a little bit more than just well, they've got 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.280 to clean it up. I mean when they when they 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:17.560 don't play clean football, is that strictly on them or 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.080 is there something maybe we're not looking at. I'll you'll 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.880 bounce my time to the senator from Illinois. Well did 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.840 they did they play clean against the Saints? Defensively? Yes? 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.480 Held them no touchdowns? Yeah? Right? And then the next 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.840 week you give up four Yeah? Two? Aaron Jones, by 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.920 the way, so were you playing clean or did they 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.400 come up with a game plan that that fooled you? 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.080 I don't know. They were running right up the middle. Yeah, 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.040 but we've seen that before, so it's not like, yeah, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.080 just clean it up. Well, sometimes you know they had 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.160 a better game plan or you know, am I reading 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.800 it good enough? I'm reading it? Then I stood on 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.840 the soapbox of the fundamental part of it. You seem 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.560 to stand on the soapbox of well somebody's figured something 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.200 out about this run defense, because that's where I was going, Mick, Yeah, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.520 because that's good. Those guys don't feel like I guarantee 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.560 you they don't think it's a personnel issue. It's it's 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.400 we're not doing our job. To what Brian said, well, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.120 why didn't they do it? Yeah, Well, I think that's 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.320 why you have to give some credit. If you suddenly 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.520 get in a game and you start chasing the ball 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.360 when you're not supposed to chase it, and they can't 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.120 tell you on the bench quit chasing the ball. Yeah, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.240 you know, sometimes they counter your style with their style 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.520 and it doesn't work out. So well, did I make 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.440 it too simplistic Mickey? Yeah, because I just think there's 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.480 there's something else. I mean, you don't go into a 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.480 playoff game in the second round and then well we 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.040 don't want to play. Yeah, they found something to take 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.280 advantage of the cowboy defense, and now you got to 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.160 you gotta adjust and shut that down. Because if you're 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.440 getting up the field and they're running right past you 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.240 the other way, you know, it's sort of like the 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.080 crowd at the subway station and New or you're going 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.080 in and they're coming out. Yeah, it's not a good scene. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.800 Jason Garrett talked about Monday. He didn't he wasn't specific, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.000 but he said there's certain things guys were trying to 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.560 do too much. Yeah, take the job that leads to 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.320 the run defense. Is that where he's going? You think, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.640 is it? Mickey? Well, if they are, why are they 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.640 and why can't you change it in the middle of 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.760 the game. Change tell them? No, you're doing too much, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.280 do you know? Hold down the fort I don't like 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.040 being too aggressive if you get if you get sucked 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.280 into it and just keep doing it and doing it. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.520 Sometimes you get handled up front too, by the way, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.640 I thought they got really handled. But I think about this, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.200 but they were handling all those losses. What did you 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.520 predict this game? Was that Green Bay was game was 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.920 gonna be Yeah, I was gonna be a high school 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.440 I feel yeah, I felt you had thirty eight. Yeah, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.840 there was some reason why you thought the Packers were 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.520 going to score twenty eight points, right, So didn't think 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.800 they were to do it on the ground though, Mickey, Yeah, exactly, 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:58.000 But they did. Yeah, And so the downfall in the 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.400 game was the offense didn't hold up there into the bargain. Sure. 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.439 You know, we keep hearing about takeaways and you know 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.720 field position is real. Uh. I think the punter's back 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.840 is bothering him. Yeah, because he didn't punt the way. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.320 We're no lost that we lost that battle. See on 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.520 the injury report again this week, Chris Jones. I didn't 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.000 think he was limited for a day last week and 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.480 then was full on, Yeah he's not, he's not, he's 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.800 not on there. But we lost that battle last week. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.680 But but yeah, and you look and you lost the 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:33.240 kicking battle. Yeah, kick kickoffs weren't great. Um, so you know, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.320 there was a lot of things went into the offense 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.600 not holding up their end of the bargain. If they 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.040 had you know, they they scored twenty four even despite 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.760 three turnovers. Think about if you just had one maybe, 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.359 you know, and then you kept those two possessions that 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.120 were going well, you might have scored thirty points too. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.399 They could have won the game. Can I ask what 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.560 Keska question? Then? Yeah? Is then the offense been the 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:59.000 clunker the last two weeks because the defense. Yeah, I 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.800 got a tweet yesterday or yesterday that the defense really 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.159 didn't play well against the Saints because they let the 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.160 Saints control the time possession, they gave up four field goals. Yeah, 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.160 they played well. They had a bad game last week. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.520 I don't think they're a bad defense. So that to me. 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.879 Our guy in Vegas hates the bend, but don't break defense. Right. Well, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.399 they need more turnovers, there's no question about that. But 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.160 I'm interesting if they think if they had kicked made 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:28.280 both field goals, what's the score? Yeah? Right, yeah, yeah, 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.840 and you have a chance for an on side kick 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.520 at the end of the game. Now, I'm not saying 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.159 that's going to turn the game around. I don't think 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.320 anybody's recovering an on site how after what did they 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.919 have at halftime? Three points? Seventeen point seventeen. Last time 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.000 they've been shout out was against the Chargers on Thanksgiving. Okay, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.520 awful stretch without so they had a hell of a 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.960 chance to score twenty seven points in the second half. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.040 Yeah and they and I ain't buying all this stuff, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.600 Well it was garbage time. The Packers gave up. They 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.560 didn't give up because there was a possession in the 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.000 fourth quarter. I'm sitting there, going, why are they throwing 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.040 the ball? They're up by all these points and you're 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.760 still just run the ball, killed the clock. Yeah, they 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.639 but they were worried, sure, right, because they saw they 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.680 could not cover the Cowboys wide receivers. First five drives 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.280 of the game. I think they had almost two hundred 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.760 yards of total offense. Dallas there nothing to show for. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.600 We talked about that after the game where the drives 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.919 ended green Bay thirty eight, green Bay thirty five, Dallas 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:27.880 forty seven. You know, we were kind of going through 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.520 all that. Sometimes it takes thirty some points to win 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.000 a game. Sometimes it only takes thirteen. Yeah, and they 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.440 couldn't do that. So did we answer your question about 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.239 the offense. I don't think so holding up their end 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:39.520 of the bar, I mean no, no, I mean I 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.600 think they will tell you they didn't. I mean they 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.359 played too sloppy. They had to the three turnovers in 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.280 the game, five in the last two weeks. I think 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:47.960 it's I think it's one of those things that it's 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.600 alarming when we see their best players not playing well, 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.399 when we see Vandresh missing tackles, when we see Jalen 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:58.520 Smith jumping around blocks, not doing his assignment, you know that. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.920 I think that's the thing that can earns me the most. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.120 When I watched him, I'm like, man, they they're better 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.840 than this. They're they're they're a better team than what 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.959 they're showing right now. And maybe they're maybe they fooled me, 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.040 maybe they feel made but we get we're a quarterway 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.240 through the season. You know, they're not going to give 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.960 me credit if they go out there and beat the Jets. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.840 It's going to come down to have to figure out 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:19.760 how to do something against Philadelphia. But you better find 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.960 a way to win this game. So better figure that 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.359 out first. Zeke said about the offense, we got to 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.720