Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and Bill Jones and welcome into Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studio here at the Start in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips hosting for the great Bill Jones today. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us across the table from me, Mickey Spagnola to
Speaker 1: my right. Happy Thursday to everybody. How are you gents
Speaker 1: doing today? Well? Well, yep, cowboys practicing inside on this Thursday,
Speaker 1: cloudy day here in Frisco, Texas. And the New York
Speaker 1: Jets are up next three twenty five pm kickoff Central
Speaker 1: Time at the Meadowlands this Sunday, and we're going to
Speaker 1: continue breaking up down that matchup over the next forty
Speaker 1: five minutes if you want to give us a call.
Speaker 1: Eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven
Speaker 1: is the number. We've talked to quite a bit of
Speaker 1: Jets so far this week. We can continue looking at
Speaker 1: some of those key matchups. I know, Brian, you've identified
Speaker 1: three key guys to watch. Yeah, any of those really
Speaker 1: strike your fancy that the Cowboys got to pay attention
Speaker 1: to this week. Yeah. You know, to me, I always
Speaker 1: worry about a guy like Levy on Bell And I
Speaker 1: know Mickey's been absolutely right talking about the struggles with
Speaker 1: their offensive line, their inability to really run the football.
Speaker 1: But you just worry about a player with that kind
Speaker 1: of ability, not only maybe he pops went through there
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they get a little momentum.
Speaker 1: Maybe they throw him the ball in the flat and
Speaker 1: you don't tackle very well. Maybe they get down in
Speaker 1: the red zone and they flip it to him and
Speaker 1: you know, one of those misdirection flip blaze and he
Speaker 1: runs in. You know, those are the kinds of things.
Speaker 1: He is a better back than what you saw with
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones. The problem is their offensive line is not
Speaker 1: as good as the Green Bay Packers. That worries me
Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe they get him going, Maybe the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't tackle well again, maybe they don't get off
Speaker 1: blocks well enough. Maybe they don't do the fundamental things
Speaker 1: that they've been needing to do to win these games
Speaker 1: that they just don't. They don't execute well enough, and
Speaker 1: then there's a problem right there, because then you've got
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's willing to make some throws down the field.
Speaker 1: He'll use Jamison Crowder on some of the stuff as
Speaker 1: a matchup I wrote about today with him and Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I worry about Leveon Bell getting some things
Speaker 1: going from their offensive getting their quarterback back, and then
Speaker 1: putting a little pressure on the Cowboys that way. Let's
Speaker 1: see if if the Jets can block up front. They've
Speaker 1: had a huge problems doing that. If they can, then
Speaker 1: this game will be a lot closer than it should be.
Speaker 1: Mike Leveon Bell has been He's been their guy on offense,
Speaker 1: both in terms of probably schemed that way and a
Speaker 1: bailout guy in the passing game as well. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I kind of worry more about dumping off passes
Speaker 1: to him getting them out in space. Yeah, because they're
Speaker 1: having trouble on their offensive line. Like Brian said, they
Speaker 1: they've changed up a little. I saw where Alex Lewis
Speaker 1: was taken over for assembly. Who's half. He didn't practice yesterday.
Speaker 1: He's been out with a shoulder injury that they I
Speaker 1: don't know how to say the guy's name. Adoga took
Speaker 1: over for Brandon Shell. So they've got changes going on
Speaker 1: that offensive line. But and I didn't realize that we
Speaker 1: were talking about them giving up twenty three sacks, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know how much this has been
Speaker 1: on Falk. He got sacked ten times last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got hit sixteen times. Yeah, not good. So no
Speaker 1: wonder the guy through two interceptions. You got that team
Speaker 1: next week by the way, Philadelphia, Yeah, and had five
Speaker 1: passes defense. Yeah, on't worry at a time exactly, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if they can't block any better than that,
Speaker 1: So you know he's now with Darnald there, maybe that
Speaker 1: you know, you get a different dimension at quarterback and
Speaker 1: you can't concentrate so much on stopping the run because
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to run the football even with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's almost like, you know, with with that guy in there,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, you can beat us, go ahead and
Speaker 1: beat us, but that guy in't gonna beat me. And
Speaker 1: I think it's a different story with Darnald. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: mentioned some of their injuries up front. What does the
Speaker 1: Cowboys injury report look like as they get back to
Speaker 1: practice today. Well, neither neither tackle is expected to play,
Speaker 1: so Cam left and or practice or play I mean
Speaker 1: practice today, Yeah, yeah, okay, and then uh, you know
Speaker 1: you get Cam left and Brandon Knight right. I still
Speaker 1: think they their original thought was for Tyrant Smith to
Speaker 1: practice tomorrow. Yeah, we'll see if no. I totally agree
Speaker 1: with you on that. If he does that, then he
Speaker 1: plays on Sunday. And it sounded like if he plays
Speaker 1: on Sunday that Cam Fleming's the right tackle. The way
Speaker 1: the head coach was talking, Mickey's absolutely right here, He's
Speaker 1: absolutely right. The plan all along, I believe was to
Speaker 1: give to give him, give Tyrant Smith a couple of
Speaker 1: days to continue to rehab, rest, heal up on the ankle,
Speaker 1: work with Britt Brown, and then get him out there
Speaker 1: on Friday a little bit shorter practice, you know, about
Speaker 1: thirty minutes shorter than they normally go. Get him go
Speaker 1: and get him off his feet, but play him at
Speaker 1: left tackle. So the questions that we had for Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett and the walk off, we're talking about what would
Speaker 1: be the situation at right tackle. And he identified Mickey
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. He identified Cam Fleming as
Speaker 1: his swing tackle. So even though Cam Fleming play has
Speaker 1: been practicing all week at left tackle, then if Collins
Speaker 1: does not go, which I don't think he's going to go.
Speaker 1: I think Cam Fleming is going to be your right tackle. Now,
Speaker 1: that's that's his job. He's got to know the right side.
Speaker 1: He's got to know the left side. But they but
Speaker 1: in practice, even when they were all healthy, Cam Fleming
Speaker 1: goes in there and plays reps for Collins at right tackle.
Speaker 1: He gets to work with Zach Martin over there, he
Speaker 1: gets to work. Last week he got work with with
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. So as a swing tackle, you have to
Speaker 1: be able to play both sides and you have to
Speaker 1: be able to you know, when you say, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm left tackle today, I got to think about my
Speaker 1: left tackle plays. When I'm right tackle. I've got to
Speaker 1: know those side of the plays too. My foot works different,
Speaker 1: my angles are different, my eyes are different. So these
Speaker 1: are all things you have to flip your brain to do.
Speaker 1: And that's why he has the gig as the right
Speaker 1: as the swing tackle, because he's capable of doing those things.
Speaker 1: And he mentioned that last week that he gets work
Speaker 1: in practice even when he tackles are healthy. He does,
Speaker 1: and that's where experience comes in with him right over
Speaker 1: a Brandon Knight. The fact that he's played I think
Speaker 1: we've talked about the Super Bowl and all that he
Speaker 1: played right tackle. I'm saying that, and Mickey gave me
Speaker 1: the death stairs last time. I kind of did that
Speaker 1: for you. I just love that. I just hope, I
Speaker 1: just hope his results are different. Yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's you know. I was asked this morning on
Speaker 1: one oh five three, which guy would I go with?
Speaker 1: I agree with what you know, the concerns that Mickey has.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not wrong about about Cam Fleming and
Speaker 1: some of the chaos it comes with him. When he blocks.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look pretty. It's not always right. It's there's
Speaker 1: pressure there. I mean, Jason Garrett call it ugly production.
Speaker 1: Ugly productions that I've been told for all this time,
Speaker 1: because he said I was told last year. If you
Speaker 1: watch how he does it, it's it's not pretty. But
Speaker 1: sometimes the result he is he makes the defender run
Speaker 1: over him to get to the ball, and so that's
Speaker 1: sometimes it's ugly. He doesn't set his feet well enough.
Speaker 1: He's not always strong at the point of attack, you know,
Speaker 1: but the experience and all those things that you want
Speaker 1: to say, there comes a point in time that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's a season wears along. If they continue
Speaker 1: to work with end to night, that he will then
Speaker 1: become the swing tackle and they'll flip roles a lot
Speaker 1: to ask right now of an undrafted They threw that kid,
Speaker 1: They played him at tackle, they've played him at guard.
Speaker 1: Evidently they feel like and Mark Colombo had a big,
Speaker 1: big hand on this one, because I'm I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I did not see Brandon Knight making this football team
Speaker 1: coming out of oxnart Well. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we started hearing oh wait a minute, now, oh
Speaker 1: wait a minute, And then it was what and when
Speaker 1: he did? Yeah, And they had some injuries and you're wondering,
Speaker 1: how are they going to get Cedric Wilson up practice
Speaker 1: him still kept him still Well, I think they look
Speaker 1: at him as as as a futures I don't think
Speaker 1: the futures today. Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, and the
Speaker 1: fact that he could play guard and tackle. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: if you Brian's right, when he made the team, it
Speaker 1: was like, seriously, yeah, after watching him in training camp.
Speaker 1: He struggled. Yeah, and he wasn't perfect in the game
Speaker 1: by no means. But that's his first I get it,
Speaker 1: it's his first, but it was only a quarter and
Speaker 1: a half. And what happens when the is gonna play? Sure,
Speaker 1: but when Green Bay knows you're throwing pretty much every time,
Speaker 1: that's difficult. He hung in there against the Smiths, you know.
Speaker 1: That's all you can ask for him, you know, And
Speaker 1: he got a little confidence doing that. And you know, Mickey,
Speaker 1: it's funny you say, you know, maybe the time is
Speaker 1: it now, but maybe the time is now. It has
Speaker 1: to be. It has to be now, because you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to If Cam Fleming is winning with
Speaker 1: ugly production, you know, then okay, I see what you're
Speaker 1: saying there. But maybe the other guy is winning. But
Speaker 1: he is productive, His technique is good, he's playing with
Speaker 1: more power. They're getting more from him in the running game.
Speaker 1: You know, he's showing up. He's not giving up pressures.
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing I worry about Cam Fleming
Speaker 1: the most is you just don't know when he's going
Speaker 1: to give up that one bad play or that one
Speaker 1: you know, And I guess I need to say that
Speaker 1: about all those line it. Connor Williams has the same
Speaker 1: problems sometimes when's Connor Williams going to over extend and
Speaker 1: allow the three technique to get around him and get
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the pocket and cause Dak problems.
Speaker 1: You know, these guys aren't perfect. They aren't perfect. But
Speaker 1: are you going to take a guy that's, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy that's a little bit more consistent with this technique,
Speaker 1: or you're going to take the guy that's winning with
Speaker 1: ugly production. I that's that's that's the debate that they
Speaker 1: need to have. I love this quote from DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: yesterday on the subject of injuries. Yeah, because you always
Speaker 1: say nobody nobody cares, nobody cares. He said, who cares?
Speaker 1: You care? To be honest, do you really care? Nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about your feelings. Nobody cares if you're hurt,
Speaker 1: Nobody cares if you're broke, rich, nobody cares. Who cares?
Speaker 1: Be you go to work. That's straight out of the pole.
Speaker 1: He said, he was done and he was out of there.
Speaker 1: And think about this last week we're doing again this week.
Speaker 1: You spend all week talking about injuries, right then, you
Speaker 1: go in the game and the result doesn't come out
Speaker 1: the way you're expecting, right, and no one says, well,
Speaker 1: it's because of injuries, right, you got beat Yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy through three interceptions, this guy didn't run for more
Speaker 1: than sixty five yards, But no one points out that, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were pretty compromised on the offensive line for more
Speaker 1: than a quarter of the game. It disappears Lawrence is right,
Speaker 1: he's right. You know, we talk about the injuries, let's
Speaker 1: give the injury report, and then you get to the
Speaker 1: game and all this guy's not gonna play. This guy's
Speaker 1: got gonna play. And then we get the result and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah they lost. What are they doing?
Speaker 1: They didn't play well enough. I think if anybody has
Speaker 1: a reason to feel sorry for themselves, it's the New
Speaker 1: York Jets. Mono of all things. Your quarterback goes down
Speaker 1: with Mono tight end gets suspended, and it looks like,
Speaker 1: now pull the Hamstrmistry's not gonna play. He's one of
Speaker 1: their better players. You know, if there's anybody that should
Speaker 1: feel sorry for themselves, it's the New Orleans Saints. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, if you yeah, Teddy Bridgewater, I mean he
Speaker 1: hits his thumb and now he's out, and you know
Speaker 1: what's happening. They've won three straight games with Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: playing quarterback. So all of a sudden, Saints, you like, hey, Drew,
Speaker 1: take it easy. Week A week eight, no week ten,
Speaker 1: no week eight, I'll be back. Don't forget me week
Speaker 1: you know, and not that Teddy Brees. But there comes
Speaker 1: a certain time where the you know, I didn't feel
Speaker 1: sorry for the Saints. I mean, I was you know,
Speaker 1: what if if you told me that every opponent is
Speaker 1: going to lose Davante Adams or Drew Brees and all that,
Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of that, you know, But then again,
Speaker 1: you lose Tyrant Smith, you know, you you know, you
Speaker 1: lose guys along the way, and it's Woods is another
Speaker 1: one and so. But but you have to play better
Speaker 1: to compensate for whatever losses you have. The New Orleans
Speaker 1: Saints have played better with the compensation of Drew for
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, They've played better. So the callous Cowboys. This
Speaker 1: to me, rob is such a fundamental game. This, this
Speaker 1: game coming up is such a fundamental game. And you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not great analysis to say that, but
Speaker 1: It's true because this team, and it does things the
Speaker 1: right way, can be very difficult to deal with when
Speaker 1: they make mistakes, holding, when they make turnovers or don't
Speaker 1: you know, when they make fundamental mistakes, they're not a
Speaker 1: very good team. They come right back to the team
Speaker 1: and that's what a little bit of worry about the Jets.
Speaker 1: Don't give the Jets any hope in this game. You know,
Speaker 1: go out there and fundamentally beat them. You're a better
Speaker 1: football team than them. Find a way to block, better,
Speaker 1: find a way to throw the ball, better, find a
Speaker 1: way to catch the ball, better run the ball, better
Speaker 1: tackle better. You know, don't finish the first quarter with
Speaker 1: zero points. Yeah. See that to me? Is that to
Speaker 1: me is it's such a fundamental thing watching this team play,
Speaker 1: because they could be outstanding when they are when they're
Speaker 1: on it. When they're making mistakes, they're just they're they're
Speaker 1: a bad team. You let me write where I wanted
Speaker 1: to go today, and I've got two partial quotes from
Speaker 1: Zeke yesterday in the locker room. He said, quote basic
Speaker 1: small things. If the offense has to clean up, d
Speaker 1: Law said, quote basic fundamentals that they've got to clean up.
Speaker 1: Is that what's holding this team back? Or do you
Speaker 1: look at this team after two losses and say, maybe
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more than just well, they've got
Speaker 1: to clean it up. I mean when they when they
Speaker 1: don't play clean football, is that strictly on them or
Speaker 1: is there something maybe we're not looking at. I'll you'll
Speaker 1: bounce my time to the senator from Illinois. Well did
Speaker 1: they did they play clean against the Saints? Defensively? Yes?
Speaker 1: Held them no touchdowns? Yeah? Right? And then the next
Speaker 1: week you give up four Yeah? Two? Aaron Jones, by
Speaker 1: the way, so were you playing clean or did they
Speaker 1: come up with a game plan that that fooled you?
Speaker 1: I don't know. They were running right up the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've seen that before, so it's not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just clean it up. Well, sometimes you know they had
Speaker 1: a better game plan or you know, am I reading
Speaker 1: it good enough? I'm reading it? Then I stood on
Speaker 1: the soapbox of the fundamental part of it. You seem
Speaker 1: to stand on the soapbox of well somebody's figured something
Speaker 1: out about this run defense, because that's where I was going, Mick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's good. Those guys don't feel like I guarantee
Speaker 1: you they don't think it's a personnel issue. It's it's
Speaker 1: we're not doing our job. To what Brian said, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't they do it? Yeah, Well, I think that's
Speaker 1: why you have to give some credit. If you suddenly
Speaker 1: get in a game and you start chasing the ball
Speaker 1: when you're not supposed to chase it, and they can't
Speaker 1: tell you on the bench quit chasing the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they counter your style with their style
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work out. So well, did I make
Speaker 1: it too simplistic Mickey? Yeah, because I just think there's
Speaker 1: there's something else. I mean, you don't go into a
Speaker 1: playoff game in the second round and then well we
Speaker 1: don't want to play. Yeah, they found something to take
Speaker 1: advantage of the cowboy defense, and now you got to
Speaker 1: you gotta adjust and shut that down. Because if you're
Speaker 1: getting up the field and they're running right past you
Speaker 1: the other way, you know, it's sort of like the
Speaker 1: crowd at the subway station and New or you're going
Speaker 1: in and they're coming out. Yeah, it's not a good scene.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett talked about Monday. He didn't he wasn't specific,
Speaker 1: but he said there's certain things guys were trying to
Speaker 1: do too much. Yeah, take the job that leads to
Speaker 1: the run defense. Is that where he's going? You think,
Speaker 1: is it? Mickey? Well, if they are, why are they
Speaker 1: and why can't you change it in the middle of
Speaker 1: the game. Change tell them? No, you're doing too much,
Speaker 1: do you know? Hold down the fort I don't like
Speaker 1: being too aggressive if you get if you get sucked
Speaker 1: into it and just keep doing it and doing it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get handled up front too, by the way,
Speaker 1: I thought they got really handled. But I think about this,
Speaker 1: but they were handling all those losses. What did you
Speaker 1: predict this game? Was that Green Bay was game was
Speaker 1: gonna be Yeah, I was gonna be a high school
Speaker 1: I feel yeah, I felt you had thirty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was some reason why you thought the Packers were
Speaker 1: going to score twenty eight points, right, So didn't think
Speaker 1: they were to do it on the ground though, Mickey, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: But they did. Yeah, And so the downfall in the
Speaker 1: game was the offense didn't hold up there into the bargain. Sure.
Speaker 1: You know, we keep hearing about takeaways and you know
Speaker 1: field position is real. Uh. I think the punter's back
Speaker 1: is bothering him. Yeah, because he didn't punt the way.
Speaker 1: We're no lost that we lost that battle. See on
Speaker 1: the injury report again this week, Chris Jones. I didn't
Speaker 1: think he was limited for a day last week and
Speaker 1: then was full on, Yeah he's not, he's not, he's
Speaker 1: not on there. But we lost that battle last week.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, and you look and you lost the
Speaker 1: kicking battle. Yeah, kick kickoffs weren't great. Um, so you know,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of things went into the offense
Speaker 1: not holding up their end of the bargain. If they
Speaker 1: had you know, they they scored twenty four even despite
Speaker 1: three turnovers. Think about if you just had one maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you kept those two possessions that
Speaker 1: were going well, you might have scored thirty points too.
Speaker 1: They could have won the game. Can I ask what
Speaker 1: Keska question? Then? Yeah? Is then the offense been the
Speaker 1: clunker the last two weeks because the defense. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got a tweet yesterday or yesterday that the defense really
Speaker 1: didn't play well against the Saints because they let the
Speaker 1: Saints control the time possession, they gave up four field goals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they played well. They had a bad game last week.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're a bad defense. So that to me.
Speaker 1: Our guy in Vegas hates the bend, but don't break defense. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: they need more turnovers, there's no question about that. But
Speaker 1: I'm interesting if they think if they had kicked made
Speaker 1: both field goals, what's the score? Yeah? Right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you have a chance for an on side kick
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. Now, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's going to turn the game around. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's recovering an on site how after what did they
Speaker 1: have at halftime? Three points? Seventeen point seventeen. Last time
Speaker 1: they've been shout out was against the Chargers on Thanksgiving. Okay,
Speaker 1: awful stretch without so they had a hell of a
Speaker 1: chance to score twenty seven points in the second half.
Speaker 1: Yeah and they and I ain't buying all this stuff,
Speaker 1: Well it was garbage time. The Packers gave up. They
Speaker 1: didn't give up because there was a possession in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I'm sitting there, going, why are they throwing
Speaker 1: the ball? They're up by all these points and you're
Speaker 1: still just run the ball, killed the clock. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: but they were worried, sure, right, because they saw they
Speaker 1: could not cover the Cowboys wide receivers. First five drives
Speaker 1: of the game. I think they had almost two hundred
Speaker 1: yards of total offense. Dallas there nothing to show for.
Speaker 1: We talked about that after the game where the drives
Speaker 1: ended green Bay thirty eight, green Bay thirty five, Dallas
Speaker 1: forty seven. You know, we were kind of going through
Speaker 1: all that. Sometimes it takes thirty some points to win
Speaker 1: a game. Sometimes it only takes thirteen. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't do that. So did we answer your question about
Speaker 1: the offense. I don't think so holding up their end
Speaker 1: of the bar, I mean no, no, I mean I
Speaker 1: think they will tell you they didn't. I mean they
Speaker 1: played too sloppy. They had to the three turnovers in
Speaker 1: the game, five in the last two weeks. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's one of those things that it's
Speaker 1: alarming when we see their best players not playing well,
Speaker 1: when we see Vandresh missing tackles, when we see Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith jumping around blocks, not doing his assignment, you know that.
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that can earns me the most.
Speaker 1: When I watched him, I'm like, man, they they're better
Speaker 1: than this. They're they're they're a better team than what
Speaker 1: they're showing right now. And maybe they're maybe they fooled me,
Speaker 1: maybe they feel made but we get we're a quarterway
Speaker 1: through the season. You know, they're not going to give
Speaker 1: me credit if they go out there and beat the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's going to come down to have to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do something against Philadelphia. But you better find
Speaker 1: a way to win this game. So better figure that
Speaker 1: out first. Zeke said about the offense, we got to
Speaker 1: get our edge back. We've just got to play more
Speaker 1: physical and just do what we do and not make
Speaker 1: these mistakes and he pointed to penalties two. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: hard to play physical when you don't have a guy
Speaker 1: like Tyrant Smith in there too. That hurts. So you
Speaker 1: mentioned Vanders. We worried that he's not going to get
Speaker 1: back in time for this game at all. Jason said
Speaker 1: he was feeling better today but wasn't going to practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do we know what the illness is, Mickey, other
Speaker 1: than illness? Yeah, it's uh, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: it's I saw him walking around yesterday. Obviously didn't practice,
Speaker 1: but he was in the building. Yeah, we need to
Speaker 1: figure that out. But anyway, are they prepared to compensate
Speaker 1: for it? Yeah, that means that would be Smith, Smilee
Speaker 1: and Thomas. Yeah, Smith, Lee, Thomas would be out there
Speaker 1: on that and then when you go when you go Nickel,
Speaker 1: they would be Lee and Thomas, or Lee and Thomas Smith.
Speaker 1: Smith is a blushing, Smith is a blitzer, Thomas is
Speaker 1: a or Lee either one as a as a as
Speaker 1: a defender, pass defender. I worry that you don't have
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have his dynamic plays. He can provide Vanderish, yeah,
Speaker 1: but as a rusher or he can play the week
Speaker 1: side if they want him there. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you change it up, but Thomas there on the week No,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing I'm just why am I thinking now Sean
Speaker 1: Lee and I'm not seeing I just thought the word
Speaker 1: liability came in my mind and it's and I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the kay. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: being fair to Shawn Lee. I haven't seen Shaun Lee.
Speaker 1: I know he hasn't had a whole lot of chances.
Speaker 1: But they did they day last week, they did play
Speaker 1: a little bit more bass. We talked about Shawn Lee.
Speaker 1: Did we see Shaun Lee make enough plays? We see
Speaker 1: those Shawn Lee plays. It might live in a fantasy world,
Speaker 1: believing that Sean Lee still Sean Lee. I think you
Speaker 1: made a point last week, maybe that he's a guy
Speaker 1: that needs a lot of snaps to kind of get rolling. Ye,
Speaker 1: and that's just not his role anymore. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: strong side linebackers usually not going to make a lot
Speaker 1: of plays. But that guy's uncovered, you know. And they
Speaker 1: said that they can play that defense with him covered up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much covered up he's been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and so he's taken on and block when
Speaker 1: you were playing the weak side. The ideas because your
Speaker 1: right defensive end is strong and your your right tackle
Speaker 1: or the strong the weak side tackles strong, that he's
Speaker 1: covered up and he's gonna go and blocked and you know,
Speaker 1: able to run and make plays. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: the case on the strong side. But you know what
Speaker 1: when they when they when they were in base defense
Speaker 1: against the run, they were almost more susceptible than when
Speaker 1: they were in nickel. You know. I just got that
Speaker 1: perception watching, Yeah, because they went two tight ends, they
Speaker 1: used their full bash right and they were running the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See the thing about it is, would you rather have
Speaker 1: Sean Lee down low or Jeff Heath. That's what you
Speaker 1: have to determine right there. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: down low? Yeah, I mean if you if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you if you don't think that Lee can do
Speaker 1: it anymore, then that means Jeff heat that means more Nickel,
Speaker 1: that means put him down there. I don't know. That
Speaker 1: to me is because I just haven't seen in the
Speaker 1: plays that And I told Mickey's absolutely right the way
Speaker 1: he explained how the strong side linebacker plays. But I
Speaker 1: just I just haven't seen Sean Lee make that one
Speaker 1: yard tackle or two yard tackle. You know, I just
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet. Well, we'll keep an eye on
Speaker 1: Laton Vanderesh and maybe he can get back to practice
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Speaker 1: a really it's fun. I mean, I it's the questions.
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Speaker 1: got to kind of be careful you think, you know,
Speaker 1: make it think good. And yeah, it's just like the
Speaker 1: football team, and you gotta play to the whistle. You
Speaker 1: gotta play the whistle otherwise you don't. They I know,
Speaker 1: you only get ten points. They get s. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: you got zero first quarter zero. I had some right too,
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Speaker 1: learned that after the Ice Bowl. Yeah, I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: know how many how many touchdowns they're going to have
Speaker 1: in the first quarter, right, you are supposed to know
Speaker 1: that people will bet on that. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: it's gonna come to. Right. This is just a precursor.
Speaker 1: That's why Rob's favorite place is Las Vegas. It is not,
Speaker 1: it is not. Pretty soon, pretty soon it's gonna be Dallas.
Speaker 1: Rob cannot wait to cover the draft for us, And
Speaker 1: I guess I just like seeing the craziness in that place.
Speaker 1: It is in summer league basketball, so too. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we went late in the first sement. Let's take a
Speaker 1: couple of phone calls before we break. Uh Nebbie in Maryland,
Speaker 1: what's up by the europe first on talking cowboys? Uh, hi, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. Listen. I just want to
Speaker 1: say that we uh we had better not take the
Speaker 1: New York did lately because we uh our winless teams
Speaker 1: are dangerous because they're hungry for a win. So we
Speaker 1: we've got to focus, execute, uh, make plays and find
Speaker 1: a way to win. Take care. Thanks for being patient
Speaker 1: with me, and have a great week. Bye. Thanks Nebbie,
Speaker 1: he nailed it. Nebby's listening to my philosophy. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: got my He got my Xerox blueprint this morning. More
Speaker 1: the more you lose, the closer y'arred of winning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely right in that's league anyway. Yeah that was what
Speaker 1: you said on the blueprint yea, yeah, absolutely, yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: I cannot take anybody likely, especially on the road, especially
Speaker 1: the way you've lost the last two and you don't
Speaker 1: never know what. Maybe you're a disparate team too, maybe
Speaker 1: and you never know what kind of officiating crew you're
Speaker 1: gonna get. Yeah, one that Mickey doesn't like. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure Mickey looks at the flip card immediately. I think
Speaker 1: instead of wearing a tie on game day, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start wearing my NFL shield shirt, the official shirt, wear
Speaker 1: the hat in the press box. That would be great,
Speaker 1: That would be great. Please do that. So I stand
Speaker 1: up and just start anyway. I wonder if I wonder
Speaker 1: if that guy got suspended yet, whether that official nah yet. No,
Speaker 1: that you can't. You can't do that. You can't. You
Speaker 1: can't put yourself in the game that way. That minds
Speaker 1: me if it's very NBA. A Shrik robs game, robs
Speaker 1: the NBA guy here, But that's very NBA. Is to
Speaker 1: put yourself in the game that way. When you get
Speaker 1: into personal confrontations with you know, with with coaches, players,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's not the wrong thing. Your your job
Speaker 1: is to you. You take it. You know, that's your
Speaker 1: You stand on that sidelines every week. You know nobody.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna make everybody happy over there. But all
Speaker 1: all Jason Garrett and all these head coaches ask you
Speaker 1: to do is do your job and then walk away.
Speaker 1: You don't antagonize. That's not your job. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: at all, you know. And if and if, if you
Speaker 1: think you made a mistake, you just gotta suck it
Speaker 1: up and take it. Absolutely abusive language. Ye. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the phone lines. James in New York.
Speaker 1: You're up next on Talking Cowboys. Anywa's up, guys, Thanks
Speaker 1: for taking the call. Sure, yeah, yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: like the conversation you guys are talking about with what's
Speaker 1: kind of the issues with the team. You know, I
Speaker 1: look at this team, and you know, I think every
Speaker 1: team's got some stuff they got to work on. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at the Chiefs, they got offensive line problems, NFC.
Speaker 1: You know, he got breezes out for the scenes. Cousins
Speaker 1: with the Vikings, there's a problem. So a lot of
Speaker 1: teams have their awards. You know, in the past, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at times with the Romo teams would be kind
Speaker 1: of be peaking in October and then towards after Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: they tend to Wilton. You know, we had those games.
Speaker 1: It was just one and dumb playoffs that we felt
Speaker 1: short in My point being is that I'd rather than
Speaker 1: have these mistakes now in October and have a scheduling,
Speaker 1: you know, gift in the sense that you're playing at
Speaker 1: least a team the Jets, that you can kind of
Speaker 1: get your mojo back, get your confidence back a little
Speaker 1: bit before you play you know, a big game against
Speaker 1: Eagles Sunday knife in two weeks, because you know, if
Speaker 1: you're dealing with these things in December when you're trying
Speaker 1: to fight foot playoffs, but it doesn't tend to end.
Speaker 1: It tends to really make the team, you know, struggle
Speaker 1: and you know, you really don't know what your identity is.
Speaker 1: And I think this is a time where this team
Speaker 1: can still figure outs identity and really correct a lot
Speaker 1: of these things which are really collectible. I mean turnovers.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, those are gonna happen. You know, you
Speaker 1: just got to kind of tighten up. And I feel
Speaker 1: the runteef it. So if you get Intony antoine Wood's back,
Speaker 1: I think will be at least will be a little
Speaker 1: bit better, um, considering who's been in there since since
Speaker 1: he got hurt. Because you know, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: are on Twitter a lots. It's like a big pity
Speaker 1: party with the fans and everybody's just crying about the
Speaker 1: calls and this, and I just I just don't feel
Speaker 1: that way. I mean, you know you're gonna get calls
Speaker 1: and gonna get calls against you, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you got to execute. And if this
Speaker 1: team just executes a little bit better, they're easily a
Speaker 1: foreign They can be formed one or even five and all.
Speaker 1: Right now, sure no, and highly capable of doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I like the attitude, but in the stretch run,
Speaker 1: it's not as tough if you win the games early. Well,
Speaker 1: you wrote yesterday in your mixed Shifts no margins of
Speaker 1: her error. No, I mean Parcels used to say, talk
Speaker 1: to me after Thanksgiving with what kind of team I have?
Speaker 1: But ideally you wouldn't like to have any of these
Speaker 1: issues at any point in the season. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't want to have a stretch where of got
Speaker 1: to correct a bunch of fundamental stuff. They'll tell you,
Speaker 1: we don't. This shouldn't be happening, period. Not. It's not
Speaker 1: just an early season thing you go through. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're basically to me, they're one game off schedule.
Speaker 1: If you tell me they had to play the Packers
Speaker 1: and the Saints back to back, and one of them
Speaker 1: was on the road. If I can split those and
Speaker 1: be four and one, I'd be real happy. I just
Speaker 1: felt like they were going to lose the New Orleans
Speaker 1: game with Breeze and win the Packer game. Yea, even
Speaker 1: when Rogers was playing, I kind of feel like, okay,
Speaker 1: coming back home. But yeah, they let that Saints game
Speaker 1: slip away. And they totally let that one slip even
Speaker 1: when Bridgewater playing, That's a game you got to go
Speaker 1: into New Orleans and win. You gotta go in there.
Speaker 1: You got to put pressure on him to make plays
Speaker 1: and Kate to keep HARKing back to that. But if
Speaker 1: you look at the end result, they're gonna add them
Speaker 1: up and you're gonna be one game short or one
Speaker 1: game to the good, you know, to get you into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I hope it sure doesn't come down
Speaker 1: to well they you know, like Mickey always likes to
Speaker 1: talk about that Rams game they lost a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and he's not wrong. Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 1: when you look at the end of the day and
Speaker 1: you're one game short, you're saying, Okay, where was it? Well,
Speaker 1: they remember early in the week. Remember in week four
Speaker 1: when they lost the Saints without Drew Brees Now, and
Speaker 1: then it can bite you. But then what if you
Speaker 1: get in the tournament and you're like, okay, now you
Speaker 1: got to go to New Orleans because you lost that game.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the thing that that's the thing I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of. How do I get home games
Speaker 1: at the end of the season. You know, that's my
Speaker 1: that's my goal, you know. But if it's you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to put yourself in a hole where
Speaker 1: every week is you know, you're having to to me again,
Speaker 1: they're almost win. But you know, people then we'll start saying, oh,
Speaker 1: this is must win, this is must win. Well, they
Speaker 1: too turn into that if you don't win enough of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely not there yet. But the Eagles now are back
Speaker 1: tie essentially at the top of the division. So they've
Speaker 1: got to right the ship here this week. All right,
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Speaker 1: What's up Denny? Hey, Hey, Rob, I'm gonna be in
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Speaker 1: the draft this year. There you go, there go very nice?
Speaker 1: What do you got? Uh? Yeah? This real quick? Um?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think the Cowboys have gone away from the
Speaker 1: you know, like how one thing we know about that
Speaker 1: that he's really amazing at doing is um his slight
Speaker 1: of hand with the ball and all that is, like
Speaker 1: you know, they don't run the jet sweep enough you know,
Speaker 1: this to this to get the illusion of other things.
Speaker 1: And on the defensive side, UM, with Antoine Woods close
Speaker 1: to coming back, do you think they deactivate UM Jo
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson and keep Tristan Hill on the what is
Speaker 1: more important right now? The rotation? Because Carrie Hyder and
Speaker 1: UM Crawford can play both, So what would be more
Speaker 1: ideal for for which then to keep back there between
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson and UM and uh Triston Hill and thank
Speaker 1: you so much, thank you? You know what. I bet
Speaker 1: that's the final he's decision they have to make the
Speaker 1: active roster. I think that they I think they want
Speaker 1: to see. They think they continue to want to see
Speaker 1: what Tristan Hill can do that that you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they're being a little stubborn about it, but I think
Speaker 1: that that's where, like Mickey said, I think that's their
Speaker 1: last decision that they have to make on who to
Speaker 1: who to activate of those defensive linemen. And you got
Speaker 1: Crawford now again, Well Crawford practiced today, Mickey, because he
Speaker 1: didn't was he limited yesterday? Thought he was limited? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he'll be limited again today. Yeah, And seeing I'm
Speaker 1: and I was kind of asking him because he played
Speaker 1: He played twenty three snaps twenty three and I said,
Speaker 1: was that more or less than you anticipated? He said,
Speaker 1: probably a little bit more. Yeah, So I don't know
Speaker 1: how much more they can extend him and keep them
Speaker 1: in the game because something because they're not really playing
Speaker 1: them at defensive end. They're playing them at a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: which takes more punishment. Yeah, at this point, that's why
Speaker 1: I would say that they would probably go with Hill
Speaker 1: over Jackson and this one that just would be my guests.
Speaker 1: I think you have Woods coming back if you don't
Speaker 1: know where exactly his zo, you would have Woods Comington, Crawford, Collins, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm not forgetting him. And then depending on Hill. Yeah, Hill,
Speaker 1: who only played to Levin snaps in the game, and
Speaker 1: we talked about he's had to play a little bit
Speaker 1: of nose, which is kind of out of position for
Speaker 1: him because of pay that they envisioned him the three technique. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they absolutely do. Yeah, I'll say this about Denny's first
Speaker 1: part of this question, I would not be surprised at
Speaker 1: all to see more of a what we saw the
Speaker 1: first three weeks of the season as far as an
Speaker 1: offensive attack. Multiple formations, bunch formations, spread them out, slide
Speaker 1: of hand, inside handoffs, all that stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: would not. I think they need to get back to
Speaker 1: some of that stuff, and I would I think Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore realizes that Dak Prescott, as Denny said, it is
Speaker 1: very good as a ball handler. You know, we've seen
Speaker 1: what the play Action game does. But I think that
Speaker 1: we'll get back to more of the things that we
Speaker 1: saw before, the pre snap motions, the bunch formations, the
Speaker 1: scatter from bunch formations, the readoption stuff, the inside inside
Speaker 1: zone stuff. I think you're going to see more of that.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's what they are. Well,
Speaker 1: do you think they got away from it the last
Speaker 1: two weeks? I think that. I think that the crowd
Speaker 1: wis ran them out of it in New Orleans and
Speaker 1: then they just felt and they sell fall behind. In
Speaker 1: the other game. It ran them out of that too.
Speaker 1: So you got taken out of the run game. So
Speaker 1: all this slight of hand that doesn't go Okay, go
Speaker 1: ahead and run it. Will you do us a favor? Yeah? Now,
Speaker 1: having said that, it's great motion, right, yeah, until you
Speaker 1: snap the ball into the gut of your wide receiver
Speaker 1: in motion. They got saved by that heard you yelling
Speaker 1: that you guys like motion from the press box. When
Speaker 1: somebody turn around and said yeah, I sure do, it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: well there's the result I had to do to see Mickey.
Speaker 1: But from that press box seat, get ready for it.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that's good. We're gonna see some
Speaker 1: of that this week. Back to what they were doing
Speaker 1: the first the previous three weeks. As long as they
Speaker 1: can there's a situation where they can have balance and
Speaker 1: there is a sleight of hand yea seventeen nothing yeah,
Speaker 1: and an official done call legal motion because you're tight
Speaker 1: end wasn't set when he had himself on the ground.
Speaker 1: I don't start. I don't understand that when I've watched
Speaker 1: that one a lot, and I can't understand how it
Speaker 1: looked like to me that Schultz's hand was on the
Speaker 1: ground the whole entire time. He never took his hand
Speaker 1: off the ground. The only hand I saw go down
Speaker 1: was Washins, but he was That's what the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: do right after they go down and get set. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So did he have like an illusion there what he saw?
Speaker 1: A lot officials do Mickey a mirage. There's a mirage
Speaker 1: out there. Make things up. Yeah, please wear your hat
Speaker 1: in the press box. Yeah, just do it all right,
Speaker 1: go over well in New York to Yeah, yeah, right not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the commissioner would be sitting in there right
Speaker 1: with us. We are out of time. Appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: joining us. No, we got two minutes. We gotta let
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Speaker 1: but they're not button up against anybody. Right. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk till we get our two minutes here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a filibuster. Is going to filibuster and the mike
Speaker 1: will be cut off. Thank you guys for joining us. Bill,
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