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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha stuff. I've never told

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Speaker 1: your predictionure of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: And because I am me, I decided that was a

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Speaker 2: new part too about the games that I've been playing,

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Speaker 2: because I didn't mention one that I felt like need

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Speaker 2: to be mentioned, even though yes, Snuffkin moom and Troll

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Speaker 2: Stories moom and Valley is still one of my favorites. Uh. Christina,

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Speaker 2: our wonderful producer super producer suggested untitled a Goose game,

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Speaker 2: which people have suggested and the description alone does make

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Speaker 2: me think this is my game because all you're really

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Speaker 2: doing is going after humans to harass them.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen? No, I haven't, I think. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Your co host from Savor, Lauren, friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: I want to say she was into this game for

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Speaker 1: I could see that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like her and my partner had a whole

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Speaker 2: conversation about it. And then we watched videos and I

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Speaker 2: was like, what is this? And you saw this goose

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Speaker 2: with a knife running around and like a like a

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Speaker 2: block kind of like scenario, just chasing people, honking at them.

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Speaker 2: That could be wrong, This could be in like a

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Speaker 2: dream I had, who knows, who knows? I was dreaming

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Speaker 2: about a game I didn't really know much about, but anyway,

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Speaker 2: so I feel like I do need to try that out.

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Speaker 2: It's apparently on cell right now, so I need to

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Speaker 2: go look at it on these things. Thank you, Christina.

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Speaker 2: I will. It's quite funny the description, and apparently it

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Speaker 2: So that is something I do want to look into.

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Speaker 2: So if y'all had more suggestions like that at me.

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Speaker 2: But the game that I'm talking about is kind of

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Speaker 2: similar in that it harasses humans or just people in general,

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Speaker 2: and is called Donut County and it's an independent game

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Speaker 2: as well. The creator like right there named Ben Esposito,

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Speaker 2: and he did the entire thing, and it's also a

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Speaker 2: very short game. It's classified, according to their site as

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Speaker 2: a story filled physics puzzle game where you play as

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Speaker 2: a whole in the ground. And yes, you do have

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Speaker 2: to do like some trickery in the between this, like

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Speaker 2: you have to like if you swallow up because you're

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Speaker 2: up something that has fire, so you can't swallow everything up,

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Speaker 2: so you have to figure out, Okay, how do I

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Speaker 2: that fire to get to something else. So it's a

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Speaker 2: whole thing, but it is quite satisfying because all you're

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Speaker 2: doing in Filly, all you're doing until you get into

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Speaker 2: actually figure this out. So the creator bent Esposito created

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Speaker 2: a unique world that is somewhat controlled by raccoons. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, as I'm writing all this stuff up,

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Speaker 2: they're English. I don't know because they only use one

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Speaker 1: Yes, I realize, Yes, I got in. I actually, hilariously

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know, and I was on there for

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Speaker 1: what we do in the Shadows, And there is a

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Speaker 2: Well, I did not know this all in Google is

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Speaker 2: The story focuses around Donut County, but specifically around the

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Speaker 2: which are not really donuts at all. Anytime someone orders

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Speaker 2: it has something to do with the raccoon takeover and

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Speaker 2: the obsession with trash. The truth is that we are

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Speaker 2: But the raccoon takeover bit is actually a fact. Raccoons

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Speaker 2: bought out the donut shop in Donut County and now

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Speaker 2: the basic stuff. While we may not learn too much

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Speaker 2: as well as like BK being like I want a

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Speaker 2: It seems like both a good and bad thing, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, don't be kind at me, and their company

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Speaker 1: Well, this was comical because every time we do these

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Speaker 2: So I quit. I need to go back to it.

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Speaker 1: No, no reason too there's tons of games out there.

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Speaker 2: We already kind of had a conversation about people don't

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