WEBVTT - TGI - Episode 211 “The Beard” 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.720 I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in Richmond next weekend. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.640 That's gonna be really fun. We has anybody looked into 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.320 what the restaurants are around there? Where will we go 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.520 have our our Should we bring a tape recorder and 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.040 record our we do that every week? We were gonna 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.680 want to have dinner with each other after and talk. Yeah, 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.640 I'm in Richmond, Virginia, down south. Oh, I'm guessing maybe 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.840 we can find some good barbecue. I'd be pretty happy 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.280 with something along those lines. Okay, happy with barbecue. Um, 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.160 what what political topics should we dive? O? Oh gosh, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.880 you guys start thinking about things. We'll figure it out. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.160 We'll figure out. I'm happy to get back out there 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.560 and and meeting fans and seeing people. And this is 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.840 actually this will be our first con since well my 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.680 first con and maybe writer's first con since we started 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:15.360 the podcast. Yeah, yeah, and so Will has already had 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:20.000 the experience, and he's poets world listeners, the world listeners 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.440 and seeing the pod meats world merch. It hasn't happened yet. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:26.240 Shirts everywhere and it's cool and yeah, people come up 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.720 and throw out like you know, one liners are inside 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.760 jokes on the podcast. It's really fun. I definitely I 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.600 got recognized as Sundance a couple of times, and it 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.520 was so interesting because people clarify, you know, as opposed 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.280 to recognizing me for Boy Meets World, which people do, 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.039 you know all the time, and they would be like, no, no, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:42.920 I'm a fan of Boy Meats World, but I'm a 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.480 bigger fan of pod Meets World at this point, and 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:46.920 so like they would go out of their way. It 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:48.320 happened to be a couple of times I was like, oh, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.480 that's so nice. It's it's it's a it's a it's 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.400 like a different level of recognition, you know. It's like 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.400 not only do I know you from that TV show 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.080 when you were a kid, but like now I'm kind 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.160 of on this other journey with you. Um, so I 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.960 am really excited to see the fans part of me 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.720 because I feel the same way. There's something that feels 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.959 more personal about pod Meat's World. Well then there is 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:10.720 and I yeah, yeah, And I wonder if it's just 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:15.359 because obviously Podmeats World is very much us. It's just us. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.440 It's not there are no characters, it's just who we are. Um. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.919 Whereas Boy Meets World of course, there's that feeling when 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.200 somebody compliments you on it. There's always that like, well, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:25.680 I'm not the person who wrote and well I'm not 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.200 the person who created it, and I'm you know, I'm 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.000 just the physical actually exactly, I'm not actually to bangaloreans 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.519 and all those things. So yeah, there is something so nice. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.639 So anyway, I am very excited to be out there 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.120 and to see everybody and to have those conversations. And 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.440 so yeah, we will be in Richmond the twenty fourth 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.360 through the twenty sixth. If you haven't already got tickets, 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.560 get them, come say hi, come meet us, and we're 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.799 looking forward to it. So I'm actually restaurant to I'm 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:57.240 actually you are. Yeah, it's Will character thirty years since. Yes, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.799 and what's them? Is Batman the mask or is Bruce 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.519 Way in the mask? That's the question writer. I'll put 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.360 you on picking the restaurants. Yeah, okay, yeah, no, I 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.560 was saying, somebody tweet us, tweet us restaurants if you know, 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.240 uh Richmond, Yeah, where we should go? Will wants barbecue. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.320 I just want I want I want good food. I 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:18.200 want good, cool, awesome places. Hopefully not chains, you know, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.760 we want a good local place where Will and I 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.880 can scream at each other and guys, guys, we all 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.560 love each other. I think I will saying and I 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.600 think we're saying, yeah, perfect ribs like ribs after you 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.520 eat them are really good to just fling across the table. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.080 So I think we're we've got some some good stuff happening. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.240 Welcome to pod Meet's world. I'm Danielle fisheral, I'm Riders Strong, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:46.600 and I'm Eric Matthews. So today we are recapping season two, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.720 episode eleven, The Beard. It originally aired December ninth, nineteen 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.320 ninety four. The synopsis is that Sean gets Corey to 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.240 Data Girl solely to keep her unavailable while he dates 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.920 another one. It is directed by David Trayner, was written 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.680 by Jeff Minnelle and a guest stars Blake. Soaper is 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.040 Joseph Joey, the ride epstein Ethan supplie is Frankie Stacchino. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.560 John Capitos as Chubby. He appeared in ace Ventura, Independence 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.040 Day and Speed. This is the first time we see 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.600 mister Chubby, right, yeah, is the only time I think 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.600 there's I think Henves back, but it's a different actor 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.919 playing Chubby. I feel like somebody's pointed that out to 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:29.039 us before. Yeah, yeah, uh. Lenny Wolf as car dealer, 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.240 Hayley Johnson as Linda. She's from Kids Incorporated. He is 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:38.640 and Ashley Johnson's sister, Yess's sister, Molly Morgan as Stacy, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.479 and Josh Keaton returns, but this time as Roy. It's 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.760 so funny. When I saw Josh at the beginning, I 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.560 was like, is that that's Josh again? But then I 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.640 was like, no, it can't be because he looks different. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.760 It looks different, and I was like, no, that's not him, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.000 and then I saw his name in the ground. I 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.960 was like, oh, yeah it actually, but yeah, it's funny. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.520 He looks less like himself in this shot or whatever. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.840 The last one, yes, and the last one he didn't 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:06.239 even have any lines, right, So yeah, yeah, super interesting. 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.960 But this makes sense why we were friends with him 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.680 and like, because he was always kind of around like 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.279 he was in two more than one episode. So yeah. Yeah. Well, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.640 to start our recap, we are in the Matthews kitchen. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.360 Amy is stressing and looking at pictures of cars at 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.839 the kitchen table because she's looking to buy a new car. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.000 Corey and Eric enter to tell Amy she should get 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.599 a turbo charged Ferrari, and Amy asks, how's that going 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.760 to work for the family. She decides to go with 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.880 a van, and both Corey and Eric yell no. Amy 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.960 defends the van for camping and soccer and her job 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.640 at the gallery, and then Amy yep, still, she's got 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.960 a load paintings. She's just loading paintings. And remember how 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.760 big of a deal minivans were, Like that was a thing, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.919 like because they didn't really exist before the early nineties, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.240 Like yeah, and then it was like suddenly everybody had 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.480 a minivan. Like my family got a minivan. Everybody your 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.080 family these mini van when we would go places and 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.120 it was awesome. Yeah, it was a Toyota Previa. Yes, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.839 it was there, amazing car, awesome my parents. My dad 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.600 kept ran that car into the ground. He loved it 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.240 because you could actually put i don't know, a certain 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.200 size would in the like you could open up and 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.200 use it basically as a truck. And he's like, oh no, 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.159 it fits a perfect size plywood whatever he build something, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.800 why would he would like have this measurement. He's like, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.160 other trucks, other vans can't do it, but the Previa, 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.400 so he like three hundred thousand miles. They finally killed 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.279 that car and threw it away, but or gave it 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.560 away or whatever rebuilt it. But my parents loved that 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.400 car and we bought it right when Boy Beat the 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.160 World started. Anyway, I just it's just so funny to remember, 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.880 like mini vans were in the in the culture. It's 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.560 like now it's just like a standard thing, like people 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.640 have minivans. But back then, man, they were the new 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.720 hot thing. But it was so strange because I not 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.039 that long ago, maybe a year or two ago. I 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.200 flew back to Connecticut, and when I fly there, I 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.320 fly into Boston because I liked fly direct. And I 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.120 had to rent a car to drive there. And the 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.800 only thing they had and I didn't know the horse. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.480 The horse had colic and yeah, the buggie was the 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.400 axel was thine broken? Um, your penny farthing bike wasn't working. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:17.040 Your hey, oh here we go now driving wow here 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.880 on these two fangled roads. Wow, check me out. I 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:21.720 had to go to the gym and lift those big 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:26.280 triangle things. Um. So the only thing they had was 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.320 a minivan, and so I was like, okay, I'll rent 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.840 this thing. I had so much fun in this minivan 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.320 that I came back and said to Sue, we almost 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.840 need to have children just to justify getting this damn thing. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.440 Best friend has a minivan, and when I first was pregnant, 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.600 she said to me, Oh, I'm so excited you're gonna 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.560 You're gonna get a minivan just like me. I can't wait, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:46.960 can't wait for you to get a minivan. And I 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:48.880 was like, I am not going to get a minivan. No, 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.680 thank you, it's not for me. I'm not going to 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.560 get one. And then I had to get my car 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.760 had needed service and it was going to take longer 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.560 than expected, so they got me a rental car, and 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.840 the only rental car they had was a minivan. And 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.280 if I didn't spend the rest of the day googling 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.080 luxury minivans, I was like, this is amazing. The doors 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.520 they don't have to open wide. They slide open so 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.000 you can fit in narrow like because our garage is 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.280 very narrow, it's very long. So if in order for 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.240 me to get both kids in the car, I have 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.280 to back out of the driveway so that the doors 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.560 can open, I wouldn't need to do that with a minivan. No, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.320 do they have hybrid minivans yet. Is there a hybrid 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.400 or electric minivan? Is that a thing? I think they 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:31.080 have hybrids that don't remember. Yeah, I'm sure it's love 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.599 a good minivan anyway, and you can fit all the 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.439 all the paintings from the gallery and soccer and when 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:48.679 you go camping, it's probably great perfect. So Amy then 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.800 leaves to try and figure out what color she's gonna get. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.760 Alan tells the boys they just witnessed the big difference 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.040 between men and women. Men like to rush, rush, rush, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.640 and just do it, but women they don't like to 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.240 just do it. You've got to buy him a car first. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.559 And then there's a real tim Allen laugh moment between 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.920 the boys and we're out of that scene. Well, no, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.520 he does say, I'm just kidding, Yes he did. I 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.040 never said that. I never said exactly, which I thought 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.719 was nice because if it was I, if this were 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.199 home and prove, he would have just ended on that. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.079 And there, you're right, you're right. But the fact that 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.960 like Alan then says, I didn't just kidding, I didn't 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.240 say just kidding softens the softens the sexism, if you will, 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:41.000 what's nice just a little? There are there are actually 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.160 many moments of um going out of the way to 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.880 avoid some sexism, like even are there are there are 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.439 other there are a lot of them, so we will 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:55.920 point them out less than any zero. Yeah. And then 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.520 we are in mister Turner's classroom. Mister Turner is teaching 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.040 the class all about Hamlet. That's all they can get. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.400 That's all these people, which is like Hamlet. We already 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.600 covered that episode season one, right, and and and then 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.360 I was like, oh, it's gonna pay off in some way, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.559 but it doesn't. Actually we go into President Kennedy so 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.200 and we never even get a shady melon. So what's 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.360 the point. What is this? What is the point of 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:29.439 this episode? Come on, we need more mergeez uh. So 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.240 Sean says Hamlet sounds just like Thanksgiving dinner at his house. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.400 And then a girl in front of Corey who is 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.000 not to panga. Yeah in topanga seat, I'd like to 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.560 point that out, passes a note to Corey, but it's 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.240 for Sean. And then we cut to mister Feeney's class room. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.600 Mister Feeney is teaching the class about is that Haley 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.000 or is that that's Haley? That's Haley who also for 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.600 some reason is the only uh young woman in class 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.680 anywhere to pass a full size note, who uses an 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.320 entire higher sheet of paper to pass a note? Right, right, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.000 it's very obvious. Yeah, you say, she's like a notebook. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:10.319 Like her hand this back to Sean. It's like, man, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:19.680 you were she drew a ma shady melon the whole 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.920 paper she was giving me your thoughts on hamlet. You know, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.840 she just wrote, didn't we do this episode? And then 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.679 she handed it back? Yeah I wasn't. In season one, 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.319 Uh so, mister Feenie is teaching the class about the 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.559 Cuban missile crisis. Mister Feenie explains that JFK had to 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.640 make an impossible decision, and Sean guesses it must be 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.160 between his wife and Marilyn Monroe. So this is the 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:46.480 first time we've seen Phoenie and second because right, yeah, right, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.719 And then we're back in Foenie's classroom. We're facing the 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.240 right way, finally, finally, the right way. So much better now, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.680 it's amazing. It's so dumb, but I just feel better. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.720 I know. I don't know why it must, I mean, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.400 we have we are so used to facing that Phoene 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.000 classroom direction. Yes, so then another girl passes a note 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.959 to Corey and he thinks this one has to be 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.959 for him, but it's once again meant for Sean. Corey 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.920 wonders if he has an unlisted desk? Okay, do we 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.839 want to talk about what I discovered? I think so. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.280 I mean, this has been something I've been trying to 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.040 get to the bottom of for a very long time. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:28.960 And I woke up this morning. Do you having solved 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.320 the mystery for him? Sold to mystery last night watching 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.839 this episode? Because when I saw this actress whose name 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:41.520 is her name is Wayne's Stay, Molly Morgan, Molly. She 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.240 is playing Stacy. When I saw her face, I had 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:51.199 a series of memories flooed into me and I put 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.120 some clues together, and what happened this week while we're 0:12:55.120 --> 0:13:01.360 filming this episode was she could do some amazing double 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.040 jointed things with her arms, Like she could like take 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.760 her arms and like wap them around her head. And 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.559 Ben and I saw her doing that and immediately were 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.120 reminded of the girl who had originally played to Panco. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.440 Because the would originally played to Pango for one day, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.280 we'd only worked with her one day. We did the 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.800 table read and we rehearsed that day and then um, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.679 she was gone the next day and Danielle you replaced 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.280 her based on that whole story that we've all told 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.680 him heard a million times, but we couldn't remember her 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.520 name because she was never credited with the role or whatever. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.280 And but we'd remembered that she could do this interesting 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.079 contortionist stuff with her body. Also was in Yeah, she 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.000 could also like she could also do it stuff. So 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.160 when when this when when Molly Morgan did it, Ben 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.760 and I looked at each other and said, oh, my gosh, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.840 that reminds us of person X, whose name I couldn't 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.760 remember now at the age of forty three. And Molly 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.760 Morgan overheard us say that and then me aside during 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.800 the filming of this episode and said, you know, that 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.160 actually was my sister. My sister was the original to 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.520 Panga Wow. And she got fired and she doesn't want 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.640 you know, people talking about it. I you know, I 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.280 don't want everybody to know that I am that girl's sister, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.720 because it wasn't a great experience to have been fired, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.520 I guess obviously. Um, And you know, the show went 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.160 on to do well. The character went on to become 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.440 a part of the show. So anyway, so that that 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.760 week we discovered that Molly Morgan was the sister to 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.960 the person who was originally the cast is to Panga, 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.960 So that I don't know, is so Bonnie Moan. What's 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.640 her name, Bonnie Morgan? So now we now know it's 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.359 Bonnie Morgan whom I looked up who is a contortionist, 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:47.680 and she is. She's a famous They both are successful actors, performers, 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.880 but she is she has made a big part of 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.720 her career being like a contortionist, which is so funny 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.240 that that's the connective tissue why we were able to 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.720 remember this person or why you know, we were able 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.320 to learn about who this person was, and so yeah, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:06.280 to discover her now in twenty twenty three, she you know, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.120 does she's like the Ring girl from the movies The Ring, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.120 like not the original ones, but like basically everything since 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.600 the Gorela Bin. Yes, she is responsible for that famous 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.840 spider crawl in the Ring too. Yes, she does all 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.720 of that cool stuff with her boy. And then I 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.440 guess I think she's She and her family are performers. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.320 They have like a I think they both of the 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.760 girls that we worked with came from their dad was 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.200 like a service performer or something, so they have this 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.960 like crazy, interesting, cool career. She was raised by third 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:41.080 generation circus performers, also have a fantastic horror lineage. They 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:46.680 have been a part of horror franchises for generations. She 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.760 is incredibly talented, incredibly famous. Maybe you know, like I said, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.560 she is absolutely famous for doing that spider crawl. You 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.440 may not know, oh, the famous spider crawl by Bonnie Morgan. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.560 You may not necessarily know her name, but you know 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.600 her work. And yeah, I have been wanting to get 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.880 to the bottom of this mystery of who she was 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.360 because I did, at one at one time know her 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.560 name years and years ago, and I did look her 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.120 up and I did remember seeing that she was a contortionist. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.480 And remember I brought it up to you writer, I said, well, yeah, 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.440 because I think she's a contortionist now, and you said, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.560 is she really or do you just think that because 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.840 we remember her doing those contortion things. And the funny 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.160 thing is that I didn't remember that because I wasn't 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.240 there for this week when you worked with Molly, so 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.240 I wouldn't have seen that. And I don't remember Bonnie 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.720 doing that on that first day because I had other 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.880 things going on in my mind on that first day. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.720 That was the day I ended up auditioning for Topanga, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.760 So her doing you know, double jointed stuff was just 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:51.400 not in my memory. But I have wanted to. I 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.280 have wanted to solve the mystery because I have thought 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.600 about her. I mean, I won't say every day, but 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.200 I have thought about her so many times over these years, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:07.280 and I've often wondered whether or not my story, me 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.080 telling my half of the story, has ever hurt her, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.600 you know, like I have. I had told the story 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.480 about how I got to Penga and there was another 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.199 girl and then she was let go and then they 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.800 replaced it, and then I got the job. And it 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.800 wasn't until you know, I mean I don't, I don't know. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.560 I should have thought of it, I should have thought 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.639 of it earlier, but it wasn't until I was significantly 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.159 older that I was like, Wow, what's her half of 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.680 that story? For me, it's you know, a life changing moment, 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.000 and for her it probably isn't life changing, but it 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.200 also wasn't pleasant. Um well, but it was interesting, you know, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.560 because you could say the same thing about Marla sockle off. Right, Yeah, 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.280 and when we brought it up with Marla, it's like 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.560 suddenly this like, yeah, origin story for you that is 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.199 pretty positive. Yeah, you know, could be kind of perceived 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.120 as like an awful but Marla didn't seem to really 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.199 be bothered that much by it. True. But the one 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:58.680 thing I'll say that's a big difference is that it 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.560 wasn't Marla's that she lost. It was possibly Marla's and 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.520 it was possibly mine. It was going to be one 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.560 of ours, and someone was going to win out over 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.960 the other. Sure for Bonnie it was hers. Yeah, That's 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:14.840 how I felt with Harry. I mean, it's that same 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.200 thing because there was another Eric Matthews. So yeah, but 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.119 neither of those situations or have you guys had no 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.440 responsibility with the actual situation, right, Like, you were not 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.280 doing the firing, you were getting You're just getting hired 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.400 for a job that just unfortunately might be not great 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.920 for this other person. But it's not your fault. And 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.200 interestingly too, Daniel, I want I want to point out 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.080 that I feel like on this podcast you were telling 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.520 the origin story and it suddenly felt a little more 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.040 negative even for you, in a way that you hadn't 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.440 expressed it, you know, when when you heard David Trayner's 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:49.120 point of view, it suddenly changed, um, and and all 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:50.760 the what you had sort of seen is like this, 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.080 this great story of you rising to the challenge of 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.760 Michael Jacob's expectations and notes suddenly was like this is 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.080 maybe not wasn't a great situation to be threat and 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.639 to be fired and you know, so it's it's it 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.520 is interesting that there's, um, there's a much bunch of 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.560 different point of views here. Um. And I I don't know, like, 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.080 I don't think it's a negative thing that you know, 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.200 at twelve years old, this young actress did not you know, 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.959 she didn't get this job or she had this job 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.160 and got fired. I don't know, like I think it's 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.440 it should be positive because she's clearly doing fine and 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.840 has lived an interesting, cool life. And I don't know, 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.680 but maybe, you know, I I hope that's true. And 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.040 it's just I'm very aware of the fact that you 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.639 don't get to tell somebody what their experience is of 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.520 a situation you And so that is how I hope 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.760 she feels about it. And I would nothing would make 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.600 me feel better than for her to say to me, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.119 Oh my gosh, that was a really difficult time, and 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.119 I beat myself up over it at the beginning. Like 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.760 I it was tragic at that time, but man, now 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.040 looking back everything where you know, I would love I 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.240 would love that, But I don't want to just assume, 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.639 and I have always thought I want her to know 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.399 that me telling the story, UM was never meant if 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.200 it did make her feel bad, I am sorry for that. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.359 I certainly never meant to, and I just want to. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.159 I just would like to apologize if if I have 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.080 ever made her feel bad by just simply sharing my story, 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.680 it bringing up something for her that was bad. So anyway, UM, 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.720 And also to your point writer about you know, retelling 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.280 the story, I think the thing that's one of the 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.720 things I love the most about this podcast is that 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.159 I still to this day think of that situation with 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.159 the story of how I got to Panga, and there 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.679 are parts of it that are so inspiring, and there 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.240 are parts of it that I'm like, That's one of 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:40.920 the reasons I've been successful, as my definition of success 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.000 for myself in my career has been achieving these milestones, 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:45.680 and one of the reasons I have been that way 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.160 is because from the time I was young, I learned 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.560 to rise to the occasion under extreme pressure. So there 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.440 are still parts of it that I find inspirational. And 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.240 then on the other side, I can sympathize and empathize 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.320 with the child that was there, not the professional, not 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:03.920 the actor, not the adult doing you know, not the 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.480 kid doing an adult job. But I can empathize with 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.240 the child that was there and think that's a tough 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.760 situation And is that a situation kid should be in? 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.879 And so I think it's both. And yeah, so anyway, 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:22.040