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Speaker 2: It's not that you know what's going to happen, it's

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Speaker 2: that you don't underestimate what you're up against. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're the person in your group text that I

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Speaker 2: am in mind, you know, I mean, these roles obviously

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Speaker 2: are not fixed and set in stone.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you got the being master, the jokester, the.

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Speaker 2: Inappropriate, you know, person that can't take nothing serious. You

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Speaker 2: feel me. And then there's the like novel writer. I'm

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Speaker 2: definitely not a novel writer. I am maybe what you

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Speaker 2: would probably guess me to be.

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm the revolutionary, I am the alarmist. I am the

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Speaker 2: I don't think y'all taken understanding the severity our situation

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Speaker 2: in the country and the.

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Speaker 1: Struggles of the people.

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Speaker 2: I'm the one calling for the general striking Yanni because

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Speaker 2: not taking it serious. You know, I'm that dude, the

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Speaker 2: h rat Brown, like my mom used to call me,

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Speaker 2: h rat Brown was a black panther. Maybe because I'm

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Speaker 2: terminally online in a way that I really wish I

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Speaker 2: didn't have to be part of that is just because

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Speaker 2: of this job that I got.

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Speaker 1: To be online more than I would really like to be.

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Speaker 1: But others of.

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Speaker 2: It is I work in justice. These are things that

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Speaker 2: are so intimately intertwined into like my very personhood, my identity,

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Speaker 2: like I can't help but care in the way that

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Speaker 2: I care, and care deeply. That being said, it's not

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Speaker 2: that the homies don't care, you say, It's just they

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Speaker 2: don't talk about politics on the internet for a living.

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Speaker 1: Their brains have not been cooked.

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Speaker 2: I bring this up to say, finally, I think I've

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Speaker 2: been given a phrase that truly captures what I be

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Speaker 2: trying to say and how I actually feel. I finally

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Speaker 2: got around to listening to the Ezra Kline and Tanahasi

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Speaker 2: COT's interview, and what's crazy. It's like it's it's a

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Speaker 2: think piece about a think piece discussing a response to

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Speaker 2: a think piece. So the last thing you need is

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Speaker 2: another think piece. But in that convo, I feel like

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Speaker 2: Tana hose Coats gave me a phrase that explains exactly

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Speaker 2: how I feel. And that's what I want to tap

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Speaker 2: in with y'all with all right, here we go, tap

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Speaker 2: in with me.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So by the time you heard this, the endling experience

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Speaker 2: has already happened. I have not lived that part yet.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it's sold out. We shall soon see. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 2: pre emptying my thank you for y'all who pulled up,

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Speaker 2: so thank you now. Context of this Ezra Client, Tana

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Speaker 2: has quotes discussion that they had on the Ezra Client

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Speaker 2: is after in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. What

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Speaker 2: Ezra Kline wrote was an opinion piece around just the

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Speaker 2: idea that like, okay, listen, clearly the Democrats have failed

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Speaker 2: the culture, you know, And he was saying in a

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Speaker 2: lot of ways that like what Charlie Kirk was attempting

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Speaker 2: to do is this sort of like actually dialoguing, and

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Speaker 2: that's one thing that the Democrats stopped doing. We have ourt,

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Speaker 2: as Hillary Clinton so eloquently stated, the basket of deplorables

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Speaker 2: that it's just like it's not even worth engaging with them.

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Speaker 2: And what, as a client was arguing, is like, bro,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's maybe that's why we keep losing ground with

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Speaker 2: not only our constituents, but this is why we're not

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Speaker 2: winning anybody over, right, So maybe we need to start engaging.

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Speaker 2: And it's not so much whether I agree or disagree

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Speaker 2: with Charlie Kirk. It's that dialogue has died. You know,

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Speaker 2: we've already decided some people are just out out of bounds, right,

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Speaker 2: And in response to that, Tanahase Coach wrote a piece

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Speaker 2: in calling him the task in the sense that, like,

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Speaker 2: you know what the media does, the media is scrubbing,

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Speaker 2: sanitizing a person's legacy. Y'all need to stop doing that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, come on, like, what the what

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Speaker 2: the nerdy ass JD Van's talking about? Like, Yo, you

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Speaker 2: hear somebody speaking ill about Charlie Kirk after his death,

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Speaker 2: get them fired. You are not allowed to talk you Hey,

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Speaker 2: nobody talk about our boy.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean you was here. It wasn't along.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't that long time.

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Speaker 2: Ago when the culture was like, you are not a

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Speaker 2: don't you Joe, don't y'all say nothing about my baby,

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Speaker 2: whereas the rest of us was just like, your baby

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Speaker 2: was one of the most hate field people we'd have

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Speaker 2: never seen. Yo, your baby put a lot of lives

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Speaker 2: in danger. Your baby was the one that said that

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Speaker 2: the Civil rights movement might have or the Civil Rights

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Speaker 2: Act might have been a problem and not a Mike

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Speaker 2: is doing a lot of work in essence, it was

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Speaker 2: just like, look, man, like, don't scrub this man's legacy clean.

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Speaker 1: Just because you don't like how he died.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like you can hold both of those ideas,

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Speaker 2: but like listen, Ezra, like you're not helping the cause.

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Speaker 2: So since they're actually friends, they sat down and they

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Speaker 2: talk like okay, And if you know anything about Ezra Kline,

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Speaker 2: he is the quintessential white liberal Like I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: just like you are the avatar cause with sense enough

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Speaker 2: to know that like something has gone awry when this

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Speaker 2: much of our country would actually vote for and support,

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Speaker 2: not like on some like hold your nose styles, that's

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Speaker 2: like na wit the Trump shit. So it's not so

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Speaker 2: much that he's gone there, but it's more that he's

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Speaker 2: just like maybe we need to start running you know,

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Speaker 2: pro life democrats, Maybe we need to look at you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe we need to.

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Speaker 1: Play politics better.

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Speaker 2: All that is background to set up how Tanakasi coach

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Speaker 2: was responding, and how he was responding was again like

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Speaker 2: he said, like I don't need you to sanitize this

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Speaker 2: man's legacy.

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Speaker 1: That's not helping the movement.

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Speaker 2: Ezra was like, yo, like well what of dialogue? What

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Speaker 2: of winning people across across the table. Tana HASI was like, bro,

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Speaker 2: like what more can we do? Like I'm pulling from

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Speaker 2: can can have done more?

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Speaker 1: Like I just know that there are.

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Speaker 2: Some conversations that are just out of bounds, Like I

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Speaker 2: know that the country didn't give us anything we fought

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some stuff is just like I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: dialogue with you. This is not a worthy argument when

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Speaker 2: I feel like your words put my life, the life

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Speaker 2: of other peoples who are in marginalized group in dangerous

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Speaker 2: Like I don't I don't finna talk. I ain't gonna

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Speaker 2: talk to you like that. And then he expressed how

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Speaker 2: he doesn't believe that this is the worst moment the

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Speaker 2: And then he made this statement, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: really great. Is uh, just from in relation to our ancestors,

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Speaker 2: Like but anyway, I say all that to set up

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Speaker 2: the in light of the things like the Young Republicans

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Speaker 2: group text, the way that that washes over me as

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Speaker 2: a person of color and being the person that's speaking

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Speaker 2: the doomsday in my group chat. I'm pulling this quote

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Speaker 2: from Tanahasse because it is exactly how I feel. He said,

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Speaker 2: it's not that I know what's about to happen. It's

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Speaker 2: not that I know it. It's not that I know

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump will get his third election, because I'm the

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Speaker 2: guys in the group text saying he gonna run again,

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Speaker 2: saying he gonna try to end citizenship, you know, and

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Speaker 2: Auta Helm He's being like, bro, like the courts are

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Speaker 2: not gonna You're not gonna do this, Like it just

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Speaker 2: just trust me that the institutions are set up for this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, listen, you think I'm tripping. And it's

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Speaker 2: not that I'm saying I know what's gonna happen. It's

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Speaker 2: that I quote. It's that you don't underestimate what you're

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Speaker 2: the Lord. When I saw that Young Republicans group text,

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 2: You say when I say the place is racist, is

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Speaker 2: loust with Nazis, therefore nothing you will do wi work.

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Speaker 2: It's what I'm saying, is I take these people serious.

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Speaker 2: I am not underestimating Trump's desire for power. I'm not

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Speaker 2: underestimating the length that Ice will go because it's not that. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's not that I know the future. It's just I'm

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Speaker 2: not underestimating you. I'm not underestimating even the level of

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Speaker 2: self hate a person of immigrant descent would have to

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Speaker 2: have to be okay with what our immigration policy is

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Speaker 2: doing right now. I don't underestimate that. I don't underestimate

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Speaker 2: your ability to hate yourself. I don't underestimate the depths

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Speaker 2: transphobia that truly exists in the halls of justice. I

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Speaker 2: at you don't underestimate nobody. When when somebody ready to

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Speaker 2: if they down the squabble love, you don't underestimate them

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Speaker 2: like blah, beat the brakes off. No, you talk like

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Speaker 2: you're gonna do that, but no, you take take every

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you got on you. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what homies you got in here. I take all

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Speaker 2: I don't know the future, but I'm taking you serious.

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Speaker 2: You pull a gun out on me, I'm gonna assume

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Speaker 2: you not playing. It's not that I know the future.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm sitting here freely in a home

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Speaker 2: that this podcast paid for, writing books, writing raps, speaking

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Speaker 2: freely because sometimes things work out. But those things worked

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Speaker 2: out because my ancestors, my forefathers, they did not underestimate

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Speaker 2: I am not interested in going on to any sort

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Speaker 2: of jubilee, you know, thirty to one thing, I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna get on this person's podcast and debate with them.

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Speaker 2: It's not that I'm being closed minded. It's that or

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Speaker 2: I'm not. It's not that I'm saying I know what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen from this. But what I want, what

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do is I don't want to

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Speaker 2: a place and I like just absolutely body slammed homeboy

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Speaker 2: with my rhetoric and logic. It just seems real trash

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Speaker 2: to me to take a clip of that and say,

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Speaker 2: watch prop utterly destroy a right wing cook. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, I just I don't but I

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Speaker 2: don't put that past them. I don't underestimate them. So

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Speaker 2: when that group text came out, it's not that I'm

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Speaker 2: not shocked. It's not that I'm like, oh, I do

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Speaker 2: them niggas like that. It's that I just I don't

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Speaker 1: The group text is the worst parts of you.

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Speaker 2: Woo who among us would not be destroyed if our

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Speaker 2: group text came out.

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Speaker 1: But that being said, what's also in.

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Speaker 2: My group text is a level of love and compassion

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Speaker 2: and truth and desire to see the world be better.

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Speaker 2: And you can like surge it as much as you won't.

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Speaker 2: Ain't no joke, Ain't no.

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Speaker 1: Jokes like that.

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Speaker 2: But again, the point I'm trying to make is this,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate Tanahasi for giving me an hopefully you language

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Speaker 2: for how we actually feel. I'm not trying to be

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Speaker 2: an alarmist or a doom's day. I'm just not underestimating

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Speaker 2: what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: Tap me a whay,