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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode seventy two of Native

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Speaker 1: Lampod where we give you our breakdown of all things

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Speaker 1: politics and culture. We are your co hosts, Tiffany Cross, Cross,

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Speaker 1: Angela Ray and I'm an you yelling what's up? Y'all?

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Speaker 3: Who is Tiffany Cross?

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Speaker 4: That's what I was trying to figure out. I was, Oh,

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Speaker 4: we got today Tiffany.

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Speaker 5: Cross, Florida, my best best, that's southern to the no.

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Speaker 3: Tiviny Cross is the one that went on went on

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Speaker 3: air and said I am more trustworthy than your.

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Speaker 1: Job and tearing these people up the cable news.

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Speaker 3: She said, I'm more trustworthy than you bish. That was Tivty.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and say that's my topic for the day.

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Speaker 1: What you got on your mind and tiff on my mind.

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Speaker 3: It's astounding data that is bringing us from what happened

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four with the election and where we

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Speaker 3: are now. And for me, it was mind blowing. There

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Speaker 3: are the things that you have hunches about and then

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Speaker 3: when you see the numbers, you go damn. So that's

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Speaker 3: what I want to talk about today. We have Terrence

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Speaker 3: Woodbury from Hit Strategies joining us and Gary Chambers, who

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Speaker 3: I hope has some time to talk about this Louisiana

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Speaker 3: election Saturday.

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Speaker 6: Nice.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be good.

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Speaker 4: Tip, Well, I want to yield my time to the

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Speaker 4: viewers because I know we have a couple of really

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Speaker 4: good viewer questions, and I just want to echo about

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Speaker 4: our guests. I'm super excited to talk to Gary Chambers

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Speaker 4: and Terrence Woodbury. If you don't follow them both already,

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Speaker 4: I strongly you encourage are strongly encourage you to do so,

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Speaker 4: because they have some really great insights for us.

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Speaker 1: I agree, ditto, ditto, and so dittling down on your

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Speaker 1: priority today, tivity, we don't kick off with a question.

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Speaker 7: Let's go, Hey, Angela, Tiffany, Andrew. This is Mante from

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Speaker 7: Maryland again. Uh, Angela, tiff Great, send y'all back on

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Speaker 7: the news. School of these jokers like it that you

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Speaker 7: need to so we appreciate it. Just had a few

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Speaker 7: quick questions for you. One, do the Democrats have any

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Speaker 7: donuts other than sorores? You know, keep hearing about Republicans

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Speaker 7: putting money into their candidates. Wonder if Dems have any

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Speaker 7: two for the them health anything like the Heritage Foundation,

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Speaker 7: if they can use you know, to develop plans or

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Speaker 7: anything else, because you rarely hear of anything like that.

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Speaker 7: And finally, we've all had our frustrations with Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 7: but is refusing to donate to sendate Democrats until leadership changes.

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Speaker 7: A sound strategy doesn't help, it doesn't hurt more. I

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Speaker 7: got my opinions, but I'd like to hear yours. Thank

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Speaker 7: you all for what you do and welcome home.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna talk about you. I'm gonna talk about you

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Speaker 4: that this made deserving because and he is, of course.

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Speaker 6: It is not.

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Speaker 4: Yes, no wars and they're sorrows.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not spelled.

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Speaker 3: He said the same, he says, But y'all got any

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Speaker 3: other donors besides that? Damn ss.

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Speaker 4: Yes, George Srows is who he's talking about, who, of course,

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Speaker 4: contributes a lot of money to left leaning causes. And

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Speaker 4: I think his question was who else is funding some

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Speaker 4: of these campaigns other than George sorows or sorrows as

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Speaker 4: some people may say, just like it's crossed in some

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Speaker 4: areas and it's cross cross, Yes, so I I'm sure

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Speaker 4: my co hosts have answers for this, but I just

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Speaker 4: want to kick off and say, yes, there are other

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Speaker 4: donors other than George Soros, and that is you, the people.

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Speaker 4: And I say that because a lot of folks contribute

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Speaker 4: a lot of candidates. And they're not necessarily supporting Democrats

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Speaker 4: exclusively or Republicans exclusively, but even if they are, it's

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Speaker 4: just yep, this is the person running and they care

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Speaker 4: not just a check, that's a vote. That's somebody saying

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Speaker 4: people who care enough about you to give five dollars,

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Speaker 4: then that is a movement. And so when we ask

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Speaker 4: these questions, we have to consider what is our own power,

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Speaker 4: And I think that's what I always want to center

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Speaker 4: our conversations back to when possible is to say what

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Speaker 4: how are we the architects of this democ And one

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Speaker 4: one thing that we can do. If it's five dollars

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Speaker 4: you can give. Andrew, you of all people, know what

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Speaker 4: that means and how what a big difference that means

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Speaker 4: when it's done in the macro and the micro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. One really really good question

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Speaker 1: and one that we don't often within our movement space

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Speaker 1: concentrate some time, energy and effort on, which is who

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Speaker 1: is funding our movement? And then on our side, what

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Speaker 1: is what does the infrastructure then look like over here?

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Speaker 1: When it comes to funny and I will say, first

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Speaker 1: was my largest donor during my primary race and my

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Speaker 1: race for governor, so we certainly appreciate his contributions. But

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Speaker 1: there are there are actually quite a few major donors

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Speaker 1: on the progressive side. I won't start name checking, but

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Speaker 1: I will say a lot of them also give anonymously,

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Speaker 1: so they'll ferret their money through what we talked about

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Speaker 1: last week, the super pac organizations. Some of them will

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Speaker 1: give to to to big broad entities like a Governor's Association,

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Speaker 1: and then the Governor's Association will disperse that money beneath it.

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Speaker 1: To the other part of the question, and I think

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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Angela can add here too, is what's our

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Speaker 1: heritage foundation? Some might say the Center for a CAP,

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Speaker 1: the Center for American.

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Speaker 1: For American I'm like a c AP, Center for American Progress.

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Speaker 1: For a long time, I work for people for the

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Speaker 1: American Way Foundation, which is also a bit of a

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Speaker 1: which again is not partisan, but when it comes to

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Speaker 4: Amazing warehousing, amazing, amazing group that was founded for young

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Speaker 1: Know they exist, They exist for sure, But but y'all,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, do y'all feel like there is a

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Speaker 4: I think Angela is an organizing center.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, I forgot to mention we have Angela ro.

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Speaker 3: It's the people with those other organizations, it's the people

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Speaker 3: shout out to the people. I'm gonna say I would

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Speaker 3: like to plug our podcast from last week where we

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Speaker 3: also talked about the role that campaigned financing plays in

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Speaker 3: in which people receive donations and how it swaigs their votes.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a very informative discussion where we

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Speaker 3: Tiffany Crost did it. I think that it's it would

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Speaker 3: be very informative, and I want to thank the gentleman

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Speaker 3: were inadvertently giving me a last day. No, I'm not

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Speaker 3: laughing at you, but that was funny as hell. I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't know why, but it had me in tears.

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Speaker 1: I liked there was a throwaway line for a billionaire

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Speaker 1: anybody other than that.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I think that it is really important that

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Speaker 3: we continue to have dialogue around the outside way that

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Speaker 3: contributions sway elections sway votes, sway, our body politic and

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Speaker 3: I think to the point, we do need more people

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Speaker 3: that are willing to pay into a system as long

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Speaker 3: as that's how we have to play ball, or we

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Speaker 3: need folks who are willing to upset the system and

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Speaker 3: turn that thing on its head. Because if we talk

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Speaker 3: doing that thing don't serve us. So that's one thing

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Speaker 3: that we got to pay at ten.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair, that's fair, and you know what

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Speaker 1: you're organizing. There was an organizing question. He wanted us

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Speaker 1: to weigh whether it's effective to starve off campaign contributions

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Speaker 1: to incoming demo. Well he didn't say in coming, but

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Speaker 3: See that, Like I think that would be excellent. But

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Speaker 3: the problem is most of the people that the DSc

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Speaker 3: to do exactly that. So that would be really tough. Again,

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Speaker 3: going back to the point of like, at what point

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Speaker 1: Well, we also had a guess who has taken on

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Speaker 4: Well, I just I'm a little confused about the the

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Speaker 4: like so like members have Angela, you could speak to this.

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Speaker 4: Members have call time where they're calling donors essentially, and

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Speaker 4: let's say eleanor Holmes Nord and that's my member of

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Speaker 4: So I get a call from her, and I say, yes,

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Speaker 4: my hard earned dollars. Is that going into her coffers

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Speaker 3: Well it depends a lot of members. Well really all members.

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Speaker 3: Every city member of Congress has dues that they have

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Speaker 3: to pay to those campaign arms. And everybody's dues are

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Speaker 3: Welcome home Terrence and Gary I think Gary.

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Speaker 3: Terrence start with this data?

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Speaker 6: Yes, listen, thank y'all so much for having me.

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Speaker 9: You know, his strategies has been pouring through this data,

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Speaker 9: this post election data, exit poll data, voter foul data,

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Speaker 9: and we've been sitting in focus groups with voters of

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Speaker 9: color and young folks for the past couple of weeks

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Speaker 9: since the election to understand what happened, why it happened,

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Speaker 9: how we fix it moving forward. And one of the

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Speaker 9: first things we see here is despite the valiant efforts

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Speaker 9: of the Harris campaign, I was on the Harris camp

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Speaker 9: pain for full transparency, despite the efforts of the Hairs campaign,

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Speaker 9: who was able to close some of the gaps that

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Speaker 9: we saw when Biden was at the top of the ticket.

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Speaker 6: She in fact closed the twenty.

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Speaker 9: Two point gap amongst young voters a eighteen point gap

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Speaker 9: amongst black voters. Despite those efforts, Democrats continue to underperform

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Speaker 9: with all the groups that we consider our base voters.

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Speaker 9: So we got you know, three percent less votes overall,

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Speaker 9: but that includes six percent less votes from young people,

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Speaker 9: five percent less from black young young black voters, nineteen

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Speaker 9: points less amongst Latino voters, nineteen points and two percent

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Speaker 9: less amongst black men. Shout out to black men who

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Speaker 9: tried to hold the line and who held and who

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Speaker 9: had the smallest reduction across any other group of men.

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Speaker 6: But I do want to talk about that two.

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Speaker 9: Percent real quick, because while Joe Biden got seventy nine

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Speaker 9: percent of black men's votes and Kalma Hairs got seventy

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Speaker 9: seven percent, the concern for me is the trend over time, y'all.

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Speaker 9: It's that over time we've seen three to five point

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Speaker 9: less black support amongst black men. Until Barack Obama had

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Speaker 9: ninety two percent, Hillary Clinton had eighty two percent, and

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Speaker 9: Kamala Harris had seventy seven percent. And so I've been

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Speaker 9: arguing that, you know, just calling it sexism is kind

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Speaker 9: of lazy analysis of what's happening. This has been ongoing

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Speaker 9: over time, and Democrats got some work to do to

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Speaker 9: bring these brothers, not just black men, but men, bringing

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Speaker 9: men back into the Democratic coalition.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I think that that's so powerful. I know, We

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Speaker 3: can probably go to the next lie, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's powerful to hear one. We were all together recently

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Speaker 3: and there was a very heated conversation around whether or

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Speaker 3: not it was sexism. Sure, sexism is at play, but

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Speaker 3: you saw this consistent drop off from Clinton to Joe Biden,

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Speaker 3: and that was at one of the higher turnout years.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's year was actually an outlier. Right from what

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Speaker 3: we know, the numbers were much higher. What do you

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Speaker 3: think is the reason terrence, based on what you've heard,

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Speaker 3: if it's not sexism, regardless of how we might feel

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Speaker 3: about the numbers, with what the numbers say.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, look there are several factors contributing to underperformance

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Speaker 9: of men, but overwhelmingly men are starting to are starting

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Speaker 9: to identify the Republican Party as representing their values, representing

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Speaker 9: the things that they care about. I don't want to

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Speaker 9: negate sexism. In fact, the slide that's up here now

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Speaker 9: has a very important question I think starts to explain

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Speaker 9: where explain where the Black community is on issues of

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Speaker 9: gender and gender roles. When we ask the question do

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Speaker 9: you agree or disagree that men should be head of household?

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Speaker 9: Sixty six percent of Black people believe that men should

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Speaker 9: be head of household, including fifty nine percent of Black

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Speaker 9: women that's the majority, and seventy five percent of Black men.

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Speaker 9: I would argue, I would argue that believe that men

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Speaker 9: should be a head of household is not a sexist value, right,

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Speaker 9: It's a traditionally religious value, and it's one where we

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Speaker 9: have to bring men along this conversation to explain that

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Speaker 9: the role of gender is in society is evolving and

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Speaker 9: there's a place for them in it. When Barack Obama

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Speaker 9: was running for president and racism had the potential to

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Speaker 9: undermine his candidacy, he didn't whack his finger at white

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Speaker 9: folks and say shame on you. Right, He had a

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Speaker 9: conversation with America about how we're not red states and

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Speaker 9: blue states, we're not black states and white states, and

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Speaker 9: how even his grandmother, his white Hawaiian grandmother, held unconscious bias,

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Speaker 9: and he offered an opportunity for America to move beyond

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Speaker 9: that bias.

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Speaker 6: Well, we didn't.

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Speaker 9: We didn't offer that to black men. We said either

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Speaker 9: you're with us or you're bad. Either you're with us

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Speaker 9: or you're wrong. Either you're with us or you're immoral.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're telling them that their Bible is wrong.

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Speaker 9: And so there's another way here to bring men, not

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Speaker 9: just black men, but to bring men along this journey

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Speaker 9: as society is evolving, and to ensure that they know

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Speaker 9: that that it's not all masculinity is toxic and there's

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Speaker 9: going to be a place for the minute. But we're

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Speaker 9: gonna have to define what that non toxic masculinity is.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, Terrri, some of this is

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Speaker 1: if I hate if this is a minor point, but

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, okay, we were raised to believe that

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Speaker 1: the men should be ahead of house old. I wonder

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Speaker 1: what it means functionally because I believe I think I

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Speaker 1: grew up with that belief as well. I just don't

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Speaker 1: know how it plays out, right, Like who writing the checks,

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Speaker 1: who's turning the head when it needs to be to

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Speaker 1: you know, those sorts of things are you know, I

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Speaker 1: would just say this about that statement of do you

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Speaker 1: believe that men should be had? I think many of

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Speaker 1: us cop to that believe in it, subscribed to it,

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Speaker 1: mostly as you pointed out, through a religious premise. And

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Speaker 1: if we had to write functionally down, what does it

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Speaker 1: mean to have men as head of the household. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's list is going to look different. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that probably isn't the question that that

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Speaker 1: you ask. But I also think that your point around

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Speaker 1: the rise in men choosing Republican or the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: as home or reflective, I kind of think it's the

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Speaker 1: party you can be a member of and not be

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Speaker 1: judged and not be held accountable, that you can say

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Speaker 1: what it is that you think in your innermost moments

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Speaker 1: and nobody's going to cancel you. That it's safe because

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Speaker 1: the stakes appear to be not as high with what

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Speaker 1: you do or don't do.

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Speaker 9: Now, I mean, I think that's exactly right. You know,

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Speaker 9: we masculinity has become so triggering on the left. I

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Speaker 9: mean I've had I've had this conversation in groups of

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Speaker 9: progressives who have asked me, well, what is a non

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Speaker 9: toxic version of masculinity? You know, as if they don't

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Speaker 9: know non toxic man, as if I'm not standing in

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Speaker 9: the room presenting this data. Right, And so there are

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Speaker 9: values like masculinity, like hard work, religion, patriotism, family, all

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Speaker 9: these things that we have seeded to the right out

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Speaker 9: of your man, tell me the focus group. Anytime he

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Speaker 9: sees an American flag on somebody's house, he knows they're white,

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Speaker 9: and he knows the Republican Well, we're not going to

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Speaker 9: be able to just see family values, patriotism, masculine. If

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Speaker 9: I can tell you right now, all of those values

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Speaker 9: are more important to my father than the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you really quick? By the way, this

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Speaker 3: is quickly becoming I just texted the co host this.

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Speaker 3: I was like, this is my favorite podcast ever so far. No,

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Speaker 3: but I just I'm really into it too, So thank

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Speaker 3: you guys. Gary. I want to get you in here

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Speaker 3: because I know there are some not thoughts and feelings

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Speaker 3: and ideas you have, Like you don't necessarily do focus groups,

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Speaker 3: but you be in the streets with the people. So

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Speaker 3: I want to hear from you on like not only

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Speaker 3: the part about the head of the household, but also

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Speaker 3: what you think is the cause of the shift. Now

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Speaker 3: Terrence type in his.

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Speaker 4: Ass, I was gonna say, who is that?

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Speaker 1: Arce guilt.

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Speaker 3: He didn't want me to ask you the question. You know,

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Speaker 3: I can't focus. That is so rue, But I know

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Speaker 3: I'm just waent. But the head of household piece, especially

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Speaker 3: being in the South. But also what you think is

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Speaker 3: the reason, like when you talk to people, what's the

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Speaker 3: reason for them to have even either stayed at home

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Speaker 3: in twenty four particularly black men, or to have voted

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Speaker 3: against their interests and voted with the Trump Party.

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Speaker 10: I think it's first of all, thank you all for

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Speaker 10: having me.

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Speaker 1: Today, Thank you brother for being here.

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Speaker 10: An important conversation.

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Speaker 5: I have struggled with what I feel is getting the

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Speaker 5: voices of black men to be heard in this season.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 5: I think that there's been a period of time in

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Speaker 5: black men and men. The patriarchal structure of America has

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Speaker 5: been guilty of muting women and their perspectives for so

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Speaker 5: long that once we began to sit back and listen

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Speaker 5: a little bit, our voices in response have not been heard.

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Speaker 10: And I think you see that in the reactions in elections, right.

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Speaker 5: I think that overwhelmingly we see that black men want

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Speaker 5: to be for the policies and the things that Democrats

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Speaker 5: are for. However, if you are telling me that I

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Speaker 5: have to be for something, well, damn it, I'm a man, right,

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Speaker 5: I ain't got to be for nothing.

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Speaker 10: And so what you see in.

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Speaker 5: Some men is an automatic rejection to the fact that

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Speaker 5: I get to have a say in what is happening here. Right,

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Speaker 5: we have been talked at so much rather than talk

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Speaker 5: too when we talk about the twenty percent of black

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Speaker 5: men who are on the other side, we spend so

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Speaker 5: much time talking about them and so little time valuing

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Speaker 5: the eighty percent of black men who were on the

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Speaker 5: side of Democrats who have been supporting black women. I'm

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Speaker 5: from a city Baton Rouge, where for over a decade

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Speaker 5: the majority of our elected officials in the black community

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Speaker 5: were black women because black men and women put them

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Speaker 5: in power.

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Speaker 10: That's how we ended up with Sharon Western.

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Speaker 5: Broom as the first black woman mayor of our city right,

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Speaker 5: and her career would not get there if black men

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Speaker 5: had not supported her. So I think that acknowledgement of

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Speaker 5: black men has to happen at a greater pace, at

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Speaker 5: a louder volume than we have had in the.

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Speaker 10: Past when the vice president was running.

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Speaker 5: I tell you personally, there are people I've reached out

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Speaker 5: to in August saying I think we should be having

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Speaker 5: some roundtables with brothers.

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Speaker 10: We should be doing some things.

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Speaker 5: I was told in nice ways and not so nice

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Speaker 5: ways by certain people, like look, we ain't focused on

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Speaker 5: that right now. You know, we need to get white America,

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Speaker 5: Middle America all of this. And one of the things

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Speaker 5: I've said to Democrats in the beginning, from day one

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Speaker 5: is if your base is Black men and black women,

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Speaker 5: If that is the base, you take care of them

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Speaker 5: before you go see about anybody else.

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Speaker 10: Right, You make.

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Speaker 5: Sure that those people are satisfied, that they feel value.

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Speaker 5: And in our community, black women are always more loyal

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Speaker 5: than black men are going to be in these situations.

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Speaker 5: If you come testing us with certain situations, we're going

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Speaker 5: to look for the other option.

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Speaker 10: Okay, black women have a lot more.

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Speaker 5: Black women have a lot more to sacrifice through this government. Right,

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Speaker 5: the government isn't try to take away our right to

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Speaker 5: see a doctor the way that we need to. So

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Speaker 5: there are certain things that black women cannot negotiate with

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Speaker 5: in this scenario that.

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Speaker 10: Black men can.

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Speaker 5: The other thing I think is the Democratic Party sucks

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Speaker 5: at an economic message. When you talk about this conversation

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Speaker 5: about who's the head of household. Black men are concerned

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Speaker 5: about how they provide for their families, how they are,

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Speaker 5: how they show up in the world financially, and how

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Speaker 5: we do that. When we look at fifty nine percent

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Speaker 5: of black women saying that they see that that role

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Speaker 5: is the head of the household is for a black man.

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Speaker 5: That is because they see the role of a black

655
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Speaker 5: man as providing for his family and creating stability for

656
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Speaker 5: his family, whether that is a fifty to fifty makeup

657
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Speaker 5: of the house or taking care of one hundred percent

658
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Speaker 5: of the bills, because there's a lot of black women

659
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Speaker 5: in America who don't pay a bill because a black

660
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Speaker 5: man pays them all.

661
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Speaker 10: Okay, those black men.

662
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Speaker 5: Are not praised, are considered enough in the conversations, and

663
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Speaker 5: that is a part of the problem because we spend

664
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Speaker 5: so much time listening to the podcast bros who have

665
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Speaker 5: gotten so much voice in this hour, that we have

666
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Speaker 5: abandoned the voices of the men who have been anchors

667
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Speaker 5: in our communities for decades. The reason I learned how

668
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Speaker 5: to follow a black woman's leadership, my pastor was a

669
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Speaker 5: black woman who had a black husband who was six

670
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Speaker 5: foot five and two hundred and fifty pounds who would

671
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Speaker 5: pound you on the top of your head if you

672
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Speaker 5: said anything.

673
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Speaker 10: About his wife and when he was the lead.

674
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Speaker 5: So I never struggled with seeing a black woman in

675
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Speaker 5: leadership because the person who taught me my faith was

676
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Speaker 5: a black woman, but she was supported by a strong

677
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Speaker 5: black man, right, and that was an example that was

678
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Speaker 5: shown to me from infancy until this day. We don't

679
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Speaker 5: let the Jim Howards of the world get enough shine

680
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Speaker 5: today I have.

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Speaker 4: I'm so grateful to you brothers for being here because

682
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Speaker 4: I have so many thoughts on everything you just said.

683
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Speaker 4: And Gary, every time you speak, I just it almost

684
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Speaker 4: feels like I'm in church, so I feel like you always,

685
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: you know, delivering a word. So I really appreciate your perspective.

686
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Speaker 4: So I'm saying that if you will give me a

687
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Speaker 4: little bit of space and grace to vent a bit,

688
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 4: because I see these slides and I try to be

689
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 4: really honest and unfiltered on this podcast. So one area

690
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Speaker 4: where I feel like I filter myself is when I'm

691
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Speaker 4: talking about black men, because I never wanted to come

692
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Speaker 4: across like I'm putting black men down, even though I

693
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Speaker 4: believe we rightfully have some righteous frustrations with our brothers.

694
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Speaker 4: In transparency, I'm writing about this so y'all will read

695
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 4: about all all of these thoughts, and that's why I

696
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Speaker 4: find the data so fascinating. One when they say when

697
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 4: black men and say their thoughts about being the head

698
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Speaker 4: of the household. Okay, you believe black men should be

699
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Speaker 4: the head of the household. Does that mean a black

700
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Speaker 4: woman cannot be the head of a nation? And I

701
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: wonder what the dichotomy is there two yes, you know,

702
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Speaker 4: black men overwhelmingly or Democratic voters. I would be remiss

703
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Speaker 4: if I didn't remind every one that when this country

704
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Speaker 4: had an opportunity to elect the first black man to

705
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Speaker 4: the highest office of the land, everyone in the black

706
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: community were right behind him. Post primary. Everybody rallied behind him.

707
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Speaker 4: You did not hear droves of black women saying, well,

708
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Speaker 4: wait before I give him my support, what's he doing

709
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Speaker 4: for me? I don't want to hear about black men.

710
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Speaker 4: What are you doing specifically for me as a black woman. No,

711
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 4: we were right behind President Obama. We were right there campaigning, organizing,

712
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Speaker 4: And sometimes it does feel like black women we keep

713
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Speaker 4: the greater good in mind. Our interest is not so

714
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: self centered when we organize. We are organizing for the

715
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Speaker 4: greater good. It seems like the Republican Party is able

716
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Speaker 4: to pick off these black men because of something individual,

717
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: something that they will individually get. We've seen example like

718
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Speaker 4: this time after time you take Snoop Dogg with Rick

719
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Speaker 4: Caruso in Los Angeles. It was something that he specifically got.

720
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Speaker 4: You can take me. I don't want to center on

721
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 4: celebrities because they're you know, this is across the board,

722
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Speaker 4: but it's something that speaks specifically to them. I as

723
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Speaker 4: a woman, I'll be honest, I do have some belief

724
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Speaker 4: in what people might call toxic masculinity. One I don't

725
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: want to drive ever like somebody else needs to always

726
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Speaker 4: drive me. Two I ain't never pump in no gas.

727
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Speaker 4: I'll never want to pump no I want to touch gas.

728
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Speaker 4: Somebody else is doing that. Three I don't want to

729
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 4: take out no trash like I do believe in traditional

730
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Speaker 4: gender roles in a lot of ways. And I think

731
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Speaker 4: there is something interesting happening, which is what I'm exploring

732
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Speaker 4: in my writing. There's something interesting happening in this dicho

733
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Speaker 4: between black men and black women, where it is an

734
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Speaker 4: immediate animus upon meeting each other. What are you trying

735
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Speaker 4: to take from me? What is it you're going to

736
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Speaker 4: give to me? Even these terms like a high value man,

737
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 4: high value woman, And that kind of toxic thinking has

738
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Speaker 4: penetrated our politics in a way where you are throwing

739
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Speaker 4: a tantrum in the voting booth again because of something

740
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Speaker 4: that you are dealing with personally. And look, I didn't

741
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: been killed, Okay, I didn't been wronged by black men.

742
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: I've probably you know, popped off at the mouth and

743
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Speaker 4: to black men in ways I shouldn't have. I'm not

744
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Speaker 4: taking I can still consider the greater good in my

745
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Speaker 4: policy and in my politics, and it doesn't seem like

746
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Speaker 4: that exists always. So I'm not putting brothers down. But

747
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: I do believe we have righteous frustrations that need to

748
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Speaker 4: be addressed. And I think it's a family conversation, not

749
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Speaker 4: one to have on a round table in front of the

750
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Speaker 4: folk who ain't can vote.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say this really quick before you guys

752
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: weigh in. It's just a filter. I will tell you

753
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Speaker 3: that Tip, I'm the one that pops off at the

754
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Speaker 3: mouth that everybody. So I'll just own that it don't matter,

755
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: if it don't matter, but I'm working on it. But

756
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Speaker 3: I will say that I normally in conversations, I'm normally

757
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Speaker 3: the friend that sounds very conservative about black men. I'm

758
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Speaker 3: normally the one that Tip is already nodding. I'm normally

759
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Speaker 3: the one that's running to be like, well, did they

760
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Speaker 3: really do it like that? We're actually like, I'm very

761
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Speaker 3: protective of black men in that way. And I gotta say,

762
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Speaker 3: I wonder if these numbers for black men, their performance

763
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Speaker 3: in the election for Kamala Harris in twenty four would

764
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Speaker 3: have looked different if Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris would

765
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Speaker 3: have run around the same time as Barack Obama or

766
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Speaker 3: before follow me on this, I think that a lot

767
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Speaker 3: of people through everything aside for President Obama because he

768
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Speaker 3: appeared to be the change, the hope, we believe in,

769
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Speaker 3: the reparations we deserve, the justice, we finally see, the

770
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Speaker 3: economic opportunity that we've always deserved, like all of these.

771
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Speaker 1: Things, or the black people will vote for him.

772
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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's not that wasn't part of this particular point.

773
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Speaker 3: But I hear you that think that's very fair. But

774
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Speaker 3: this point was just on what black people laid aside

775
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: because we thought that this was going to finally be

776
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Speaker 3: our opportunity. We were told to wait until his second term,

777
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Speaker 3: So we waited until his second term, and when that

778
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: second term came to an end, we were still on

779
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Speaker 3: the chopping block. We still had to sacrifice the most.

780
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: We still didn't get our needs met necessarily. I'm not saying, okay, okay,

781
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Speaker 3: so let's let's let's say all that although Trayvon Martin

782
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Speaker 3: could have been his son, right and amazing grace at

783
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Speaker 3: Emmanuel after the Emmanuel nine at the Emanuel Mother Emmanuel massacre,

784
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Speaker 3: all I'm saying is some of the intense frustration with

785
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Speaker 3: the parties reached with a party, rather reached a fever

786
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: pitch after nothing really changed, especially when you go in

787
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: the hood under a President Obama. So then you're like, okay,

788
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: well Hillary Clinton, They're like, I don't know, now if

789
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: he couldn't do it, I really don't know. Then Donald Trump,

790
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Speaker 3: as she was super predator, Lady Donald Trump, super predator.

791
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Speaker 3: Letty see, I picked that two year but I'm with you. Also,

792
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: she was born on my birthday, so shout out to Hillary.

793
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 3: But I will just say this. You have those two,

794
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: then you have Trump, and then you have this narrative

795
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 3: that under Trump people were doing better because they weren't

796
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: prosecuted yet for them PPP loans and you know all

797
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: of the other things that that check felt like he

798
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: was going to go a little further. They didn't really

799
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Speaker 3: understand congres the congressional role. They don't really remember feeling

800
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: like that under Joe Biden. Joe Biden is the same

801
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: Joe Biden of the crime Bill to bring that back

802
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: in Gary, but they still pushed it aside, particularly in

803
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty because there's this George Floyd moment. But the

804
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: George Floyd moment was lost too, and so we're back

805
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: at square one. And I just have to wonder, in

806
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: the flatness of data, Terrence, not in your skills, but

807
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: in data just looking at it on paper, if we

808
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 3: don't miss all of the nuances, all of the times

809
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 3: where the party we were told had our best interests

810
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: really didn't, or at least we didn't feel like it did.

811
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Speaker 3: Our circumstances didn't remarkably change. Did she get penalized for

812
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: all of the baggage of the party and not so

813
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: much because this was a woman at the top of

814
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Speaker 3: a ticket. I'm not saying nobody was saying that bs,

815
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Speaker 3: but I got to tell you, there are a lot

816
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: of folks who are close to me who held their

817
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: notes and voted for the party, not because Kamala Harris

818
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: was at the top of the ticket as.

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Speaker 4: Young as I answer, I would love for you to

820
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Speaker 4: address some of the things I was saying, because I

821
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 4: want to be clear. I'm not representing a party. I'm

822
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 4: not talking about democratic politics like the party to me,

823
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. I'm

824
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 4: talking about the dynamic between black men and black women

825
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: and the infrastructure of the country. Not necessarily Democrat Republican,

826
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Speaker 4: but I think both are super relevant. So we'll be

827
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Speaker 4: quiet and let you guys take all of that that

828
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Speaker 4: me and Angela just through at you, because I want

829
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Speaker 4: to hear your response to both whoever want to take it.

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Speaker 5: I'll jump in to Angela's point, I think, and I

831
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Speaker 5: responded wrote this down in response to some of what

832
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Speaker 5: Tiffany was saying. I think that we have to own

833
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: the failures.

834
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Speaker 10: Of black leadership.

835
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Speaker 5: That the only way that black people can make you

836
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: pay for not delivering is to either vote for someone

837
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Speaker 5: else or not to vote, and that there are people

838
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 5: willing to make the party or the politician pay your

839
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 5: consequence for not delivering for the things that they've said.

840
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Speaker 10: One of my lawyers, okay, who.

841
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Speaker 5: Has a juris doctorate from an HBCU had hard up

842
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: arguments with me about whether or not he would vote

843
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 5: for Hillary Clinton, okay before and it had nothing to

844
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 5: do with her being.

845
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Speaker 10: A white woman, Okay.

846
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 11: It had to do with the things he believed she

847
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 11: helped orchestrate against us, and whether or not the Democratic

848
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 11: Party would deliver for black people after black folks had

849
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 11: shown up the way that we did for Obama.

850
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Speaker 10: Okay, there are black men.

851
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 5: Who are tired of every time saying we'll wait till

852
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 5: next time. There are people ready to abandon the ship,

853
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 5: like say, burn it all down.

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Speaker 10: We don't want to be a part of any of

855
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Speaker 10: your party structure.

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Speaker 5: I think that that comes into play with some of

857
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Speaker 5: the odds that we have tip within our structure with

858
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Speaker 5: each other. That some of the men in our community

859
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Speaker 5: have just made a decision I'm opting out of all

860
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Speaker 5: of that because they're not listening to us, they're not

861
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Speaker 5: working with us to the things that they said. I

862
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Speaker 5: also think that we never talked about the elephant in

863
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Speaker 5: the room that Vice President Harris was married to a

864
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Speaker 5: white man.

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Speaker 10: That was a huge conversation for a lot of black men.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Barack Obama was all that he would, but Barack

867
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 5: was married to Michelle from the South Side of Chicago,

868
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Speaker 5: and when things got twisted and rocky with the black community,

869
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Speaker 5: Michelle Obama came into the black community and had conversations

870
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Speaker 5: with black women and black people to settle the storm

871
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 5: and bring black people along with Barack Obama. Vice President

872
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 5: Harris had done. And he's a great guy for her,

873
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 5: and it's a great partner. And we don't get to

874
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 5: choose her partner for her. She has a right to

875
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 5: marry who she wants to, but we have a right

876
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 5: to have a perspective about who that partner is and

877
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 5: what conversations are had about black people when you are

878
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: laying on the pillow at night. About these conversations, most

879
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 5: people feel like Michelle Obama was checking Barack about whether

880
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 5: or not he was doing certain things for black folk. Now,

881
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 5: whether or not we feel like that, we know if

882
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 5: that's true or not, we don't know. But most black

883
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 5: folks felt that you don't get to feel that with

884
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 5: Vice President Harris. We also did not hear black women

885
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 5: criticize that piece of the conversation the way that we

886
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 5: know black men would have been.

887
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 10: Criticized if we have at a white wife.

888
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 5: Now as somebody who believes in the black family unit

889
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 5: that if you gotta the only way to do this

890
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: and be about this all the way.

891
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 10: For me is for me personally is to be with

892
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 10: a black woman.

893
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: Uh.

894
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 5: There's a lot of black people who share that belief

895
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 5: and cannot see outside of that. And we have to

896
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 5: have the conversations within our community and talk to them

897
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 5: about the policies that make these things worth sacrificing some

898
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 5: of the things that we don't want to put on our.

899
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 11: Self.

900
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 5: The last thing I'll say to the point about the

901
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 5: conflicts that exist between us as black men and Black women.

902
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 5: There are some toxes brothers in our community. There are

903
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 5: some hateful brothers in our community that do awful things

904
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 5: to Black women.

905
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 10: We should call those things out.

906
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 5: We held a mass gathering Jamal Bryant West Beliny myself

907
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 5: in Atlanta. We gathered hundreds of brothers to talk about

908
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 5: the election to path forward. There were some brothers who

909
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: shared some perspects that we did not agree with. Some

910
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 5: of those perspectives about the vice president and other things.

911
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: When those were called out, we directly addressed those, but

912
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 5: we gave brothers the space to vent in a safe space.

913
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: Where they could get it off their chests, even if

914
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 5: it's not true, even if it's sexist, even if it's hateful.

915
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 5: But other brothers could say to you, now, you know,

916
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 5: you know that's a lie, right, you know that's jacked up, right,

917
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 5: And to say that in the counsel of other men

918
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 5: where other men can and all of the things that

919
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 5: we do that let another brother know, Like, look you

920
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 5: a little sideways right now. Sisters, y'all can't do that,

921
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 5: But we do that so much on the internet that

922
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: it demeans our relationship more.

923
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 10: Than it builds our relationship.

924
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 5: And I think that we don't own that there are

925
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 5: some hateful sisters out there right, that there are some

926
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 5: sisters who do not like black men, who will speak

927
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 5: venomously against any black male leadership, and that is counterproductive

928
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 5: as well. Now both of us have been by each other.

929
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 5: The question is who is better to get.

930
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 10: Us to the other side? Is it anybody else other

931
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 10: than us? And the answer is no.

932
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 5: It's always going to be sisters and brothers together, and

933
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 5: we got to figure that out.

934
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 4: I love that Gary, Karen, what do you say he

935
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: had a slide about it.

936
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: I know, yes, this need to be like a fulls

937
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: so good y'all are right.

938
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 9: Listen, y'all were in the family conversation. Now, for any

939
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 9: listeners that's not in the family or have not been

940
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 9: invited to the cookout, this you should have tuned out

941
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 9: by now because we don't deep.

942
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 6: We are deep in the family conversation.

943
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 7: Now.

944
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 6: I want to say a couple of things that response there.

945
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 9: Number one and I have to make this point every

946
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 9: time I talk about these gaps, the gender and generation

947
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 9: gaps in the Black community. Voters are the consumers, right,

948
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 9: Candidates that are running for office are the product. You

949
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 9: don't blame the consumer when they stop buying your product.

950
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 9: You make a better product.

951
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 8: Right.

952
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 9: We need to make We need to present candidates and

953
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 9: policies that better appeal to the consumer and not blame

954
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 9: the consumer.

955
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 6: For not buying. That's the first thing.

956
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 9: Uh, you know, we have to when I hear both

957
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 9: of us have hurt each other, and no, we have

958
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 9: never heard each other more than more than our racism

959
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 9: and a patriarchal society have hurt us. And so there

960
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 9: is this is what unifies us is a shared pain

961
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 9: and a shared struggle. When I look at some of

962
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 9: these slides, because this is why hit has to hit strategies.

963
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 6: The polling firm that that that I started here.

964
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 9: We have to engage these conversations with this compassionate curiosity,

965
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 9: because when you start with judging how how our voters feel,

966
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 9: then it's too hard for us to get to the solution.

967
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 9: And there's a couple of things that are on this

968
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 9: slide that I want to point to. One is the

969
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 9: pain that brothers are feeling. Right when you said things

970
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 9: haven't gotten better, it was a young man in the

971
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 9: focus group, Angela sounded that said something very similar to

972
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 9: you when he said, my hood ain't getting no better

973
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 9: under Obama, it ain't getting no worse under Trump.

974
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 6: So what Biden and Harris got to do with me?

975
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 9: Well, in fact, for some brothers, their hood got better

976
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 9: under Trump, or at least that's what they believe. On

977
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 9: this first graph on this slide, when we ask this question,

978
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 9: was your life better under President Biden or better under

979
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 9: President Trump? The overwhelming majority of black voters seventy one

980
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 9: percent said their lives were better under President Biden, But

981
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 9: twenty nine percent of black people told us months before

982
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 9: election date that their lives were better when Donald Trump

983
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 9: was president. Twenty nine percent of black people said that,

984
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 9: including y'all, forty one percent of brothers said forty one

985
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 9: percent of young black men said that their lives were

986
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 9: better when Donald Trump was president. And so we need

987
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 9: to acknowledge that pain. And Donald Trump is giving these

988
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 9: brothers that just runs voters who are cynical towards a

989
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 9: system that have failed them. He's given them a reason

990
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 9: for that pain. And the second two numbers that you'll

991
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 9: see on this ground, fifty nine percent of black voters

992
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 9: agree that the gains of the LGBTQ community have come

993
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 9: at the expense of the Black community. The second number

994
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 9: here is sixty four percent of black voters believe that

995
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 9: the gains of the Latino community have come at the

996
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 9: expense of the Black community. What do I see when

997
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 9: I see these two numbers. I see the trans ad, Yeah, right,

998
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 9: that transad that said that she's for them and they

999
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 9: and I'm for you. But the rest of that ad

1000
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 9: also said and they're using your tax dollars to pay

1001
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 9: for trans surgery. Listen, that's not an anti LGBTQ sentiment

1002
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 9: for black people to believe that other communities are getting

1003
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 9: more because we're getting less. That's just pro black. That's

1004
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 9: just us saying we not getting.

1005
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 6: What we need.

1006
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 9: And Donald Trump is offering a reason for that pain.

1007
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 9: And that reason is because because the trans folks are

1008
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 9: getting more than you and the immigrants are getting.

1009
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 6: More than you. When I see that black folks.

1010
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 9: Believe that the advances of the Latino community have come

1011
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 9: at the expense of the Black community. What do I

1012
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 9: see there? Black folks? Immigrants are taking Black.

1013
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: Jobs for the intersectionality del terence because they're I mean

1014
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: to say that the LGBTQ is making games against black

1015
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: folks does not account for the overlay in the Venn diagram.

1016
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: There are, in fact black members of the LGBTQ community,

1017
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 4: same with the Latino community. There are Afro Latinos who

1018
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 4: exist in this country. So I don't know how was

1019
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 4: there a question that spoke to that.

1020
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 6: Wars?

1021
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 4: But why I said it so nuanced, because I I mean,

1022
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: there are everybody knows some gay people in there, you know, like,

1023
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: how is it too?

1024
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 5: But I think when you're talking to regular people, then

1025
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 5: when you start whizzling down all of those different things,

1026
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: they don't hear that. They don't all of those different

1027
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 5: sub sections they hear, like what Terrence just said they

1028
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 5: hear the ad as it was.

1029
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I don't even further because this was

1030
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 9: research that we did with Date with doctor David John's

1031
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 9: National Black Justice Coalition, and he made sure that we

1032
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 9: explored that intersectionality. And in fact, we asked the question,

1033
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 9: do black queer people identify more with their blackness or

1034
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 9: their queerness? And we believe that that that that black

1035
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 9: care people identify more with their coer identity than their

1036
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 9: black identity. And so we don't even we're not even

1037
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 9: even when we're exposed to that intersectionality, we rejected. And

1038
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 9: so these are some of the some of the messaging

1039
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 9: and work that we have to do when we talk

1040
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 9: about when we talk about, you know, immigration policy, we're

1041
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 9: not talking about black immigrants. That's the messaging that we

1042
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 9: have to do to talk about the fact that that

1043
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 9: that that immigration is not a Latino issue.

1044
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: Can I ask you Terrence really quick on this. The

1045
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: first thing that comes to mind looking at this slide

1046
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: is did they feel this life was better? Did they

1047
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: read this? Did they see a video of it somewhere?

1048
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 8: Like?

1049
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: Did you ask the question about like when you say

1050
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: that your life was better? Give me an example of

1051
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: how answer.

1052
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, we did so this was this is a pole

1053
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 9: question that we asked back in August. But after that

1054
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 9: we started doing focus groups where I would and I

1055
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 9: moderate these focus I know, and so I am probing.

1056
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 6: These are hard probes.

1057
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, no, Give me a list what exactly was

1058
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 9: better in your life? Don't just brush over it and

1059
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 9: say it's just you know, business was better. It just

1060
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 9: felt like, tell me what was better for you. And

1061
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 9: what we discovered is overwhelmingly when people say that things

1062
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 9: were better under Trump, what they meant was things.

1063
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 6: Were cheaper under Trump. That's often what they were saying.

1064
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: That's oftentimes and we were in a pandemic.

1065
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 6: That's exactly right.

1066
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: Wow. I know I'm not a panelist, and I love

1067
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: can I say? Can I say this? It's the reason

1068
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: why I would love to relax my voice so that

1069
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: we can hear more of yours. But I do have

1070
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: just a point to make around you know some of this,

1071
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: which is it's easy when you can very very quickly

1072
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: off escape from what might be your blame when somebody

1073
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: else shows you another place for it to go. And

1074
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if that's exclusive to

1075
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: gender or not. I think as people we do that.

1076
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: So some of this makes you know, that kind of sense.

1077
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: It also when you consider Trump's time in office, you

1078
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: know the pressure valve got taken off of a lot

1079
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: of us. Right, we didn't have to show up at

1080
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: eight o'clock every day into an office wearing clothes we

1081
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: don't normally feel comfortable, and we weren't being offered not one,

1082
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: but two stimulus is that showed up in different ways.

1083
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: There wasn't rent relief and relief also being offered from

1084
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: home owners, the kind of tax incentives that showed up

1085
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, which I would argue should be here

1086
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: all the time around children's tax credits. I mean, you

1087
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: felt more money in your pocket because you had more

1088
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: money in your pocket quite frankly, you know, for a

1089
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: lot of people. And so there's just something very clear, practical,

1090
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: touchable about that. And then Democrats come along saying, don't

1091
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: believe you're lying eyes, don't believe your lying experience. It

1092
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: was really worse. And the truth is is that you know,

1093
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: going layers beneath is not going to be helpful here

1094
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: when when the simple answer actually meets my need. So

1095
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't have to go through layers of explanation. Those

1096
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 1: of us who understand policy will say, over the long term,

1097
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm willing to bet you your grandmama told you this

1098
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: a long time ago. You get nothing for free. The

1099
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: systems they destroyed over the long term will cause irreparable

1100
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: harm to our communities, There's no doubt about it. But

1101
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: you can't convince me to care about tomorrow when I'm

1102
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: just trying to survive today. And so those arguments fell

1103
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: largely on death ears. And then there's the argument that

1104
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: just never showed up, and that was to this issue

1105
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: of of trans I think the black community could have

1106
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: been just as open to an argument that said, if

1107
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: you dropped your kid off at daycare as a boy

1108
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: and you picked them up as a girl, turn around

1109
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: the car, take that kid back because you picked up

1110
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: the wrong one, and then remind us that you know what,

1111
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: they would like you to believe that fewer than point

1112
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: zero zero three percent of this population is the reason

1113
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: why the groceries costs what they cost, the housing costs

1114
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: what they cost. That we can't get access to the

1115
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: things that we ought to have access to is because

1116
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: of a little boy or a little girl who's deciding

1117
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: whether or not that they're in the right body. But

1118
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: if we interrogate that, y'all, that ain't my issue. I

1119
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: didn't wake up with it with the first thing on

1120
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: my mind, and it wasn't the last thing on my

1121
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: mind before I went to bed. But there was a

1122
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: complete absence, a complete reluctance, a complete inability to just

1123
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: meet them. The other side of that argument, I say,

1124
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: you know what, that's some bullshit. Let's get to what's reading. No,

1125
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: we're not going to legislate hate by targeting legislation in

1126
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: a state that affects three people out of a state

1127
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: of nineteen million, not who we are and where we're going.

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00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: So the the the the the shrinking. I would say

1129
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: from from the fight, it's hard to lose a match

1130
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: when you're showing up on every round. But if you

1131
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: choose to step out, you're gonna lay out, You're gonna

1132
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: lay down, You're gonna back up, and think that we're

1133
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: going to do the hard work to make the other argument, well,

1134
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: think again. You send people to listen with Donald Trump.

1135
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: He's lying constantly. If he's talking, he lying. But the

1136
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: answer isn't to then go mute on the other side

1137
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: and say, oh, well, he's just well, you need to

1138
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: point it out, need to name it, claim it, so

1139
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: I know how to name it and claim it when

1140
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: I see it.

1141
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, there's that. There's a couple of really important

1142
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 9: points you made there, Andrew. And the first is that people,

1143
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 9: when people are in pain, they need someone to blame. Right,

1144
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 9: when someone is working twice as hard to get half

1145
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 9: as far, when someone is following all the rules and

1146
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 9: doing everything that they were supposed to do, And especially

1147
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 9: millennials who graduated in a recession, who are burdened by

1148
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 9: by student loan debt, who ain't never bought their first house,

1149
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 9: never started a family, never done the things that might

1150
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 9: that that generations before us were able to do.

1151
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 6: Well, we need someone to explain this pain.

1152
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 9: And and and and Donald Trump came forth with a

1153
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 9: reason for their pain being all the other DEI and

1154
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 9: other people and trans people and immigrants, and in response,

1155
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 9: Democrats said, we have a policy agenda for you, right

1156
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 9: to a bunch of voters that ain't never.

1157
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: Been Salinity has ruled for a long enough time, you know, yeah,

1158
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: address and.

1159
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 9: Pains, right, that's right, and and and the policy I

1160
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 9: mean I've learned through this work that policy is not

1161
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 9: a narrative because, especially for voters that don't believe our promises,

1162
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 9: don't believe our policies, if you can't tell me why

1163
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 9: my life sucks, then why would I vote for you

1164
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 9: to unsuck my life?

1165
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 6: Right?

1166
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 9: And Donald Trump is giving them a reason for their pain.

1167
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 9: And the alternative that I that I'm offering that I

1168
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 9: think is the democratic reason for the pain is the

1169
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 9: other graph on that slide that show the seventy three

1170
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 9: percent of Americans believe that greedy corporations and billionaires are

1171
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 9: hoarding wealth are I'm sorry, are rigging the rules to

1172
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 9: make themselves richer.

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01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 6: Right?

1174
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Speaker 9: And so the problem is that the person that makes

1175
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 9: one thousand dollars an hour has convinced the person that

1176
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 9: makes twenty dollars an hour that their real problem is

1177
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 9: the person that makes seven dollars an hour, right, And

1178
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 9: so we got to we just have to give we

1179
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 9: can't ignore the problem statement why does their life suck?

1180
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 9: Why are they working so hard and not getting ahead?

1181
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Speaker 9: And I believe that that problem is that the wealthy

1182
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 9: is not the least amongst us. The problem is that

1183
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 9: the wealthy are holding the wealth and making it and

1184
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Speaker 9: making and creating pain for everyone else.

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Speaker 3: Okay, everybody, So we're gonna take a quick break so

1186
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Speaker 3: we could pay some bills.

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Speaker 4: Well, you talk about blamed adherents, and sometimes it does

1188
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 4: feel like that black men blame black women for some

1189
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 4: of their pains. And this is not conjectured, This is

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Speaker 4: not hyperbole, Like we have personally experienced this.

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Speaker 1: Think y'all hear it the most because you're the closest

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01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 1: thing to us.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so let's say we're in the same home. I

1194
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 4: can see that, and yes, you are are our counterparts,

1195
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: like we are family. You know, we are linked in

1196
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 4: our pain and our lineage and our heritage and our ancestry.

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01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 4: It is a unique relationship that Black American men and

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Speaker 4: women have with each other. But like you take something

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Speaker 4: like Angela and I and our group of friends, like

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01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 4: if we go on vacation, the way that black men

1201
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 4: respond the gossip around who we may or may not

1202
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 4: be dating, the way that black pop who the kind

1203
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: of men they think that, you know, we should be dating.

1204
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 4: Somebody did a whole podcast who I've never met, don't

1205
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 4: know this person did a whole podcast on the kind

1206
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 4: of men that that I and men have dropped comments

1207
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 4: black men in my comments, like you know, the kind

1208
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 4: of men they anticipate that I date. Angelie. You talked

1209
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: about being protective of black men, and I think you're

1210
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 4: protective of black men you're friends with, and you hold

1211
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 4: the line those same black men who you don't know,

1212
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: who you're not friends with, who you might protect in

1213
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 4: any other circumstance, will flood your feed with comments about

1214
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 4: you being a democratic shill or about you know. Well,

1215
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 4: that's why Byron Donald said, whatever do you want the

1216
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 4: breakfast club? You know? And it's I don't know. It

1217
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 4: just feels like, damn, why am I taking your daggers? Brother?

1218
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 4: I love you, brother, I'm in this fight too. They've

1219
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 4: found with you like they with me. And guess what

1220
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 4: when I fight, I'm fighting for me and you. I'm

1221
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 4: not fighting you. And even this idea that Vice President

1222
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 4: Harris married a white man, the conversation is how dare

1223
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 4: she leave us? Not how dare we let her get away?

1224
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 4: I happen to know a little bit about her dating life,

1225
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 4: and I know that she dated plenty of black men,

1226
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 4: and she was not always treated well by those black men.

1227
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Speaker 4: Name you know some names you don't, and so she

1228
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 4: found love where she found it. But again, it's how

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 4: they're and we I just want to say, we have

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01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 4: some of the highest inndogamy rates in our community. We

1231
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 4: don't typically marry outside each other, but when that happens,

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01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 4: we're punished for finding love. We are punished for wanting love.

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01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 4: And in the podcast bro Space, these very toxic conversations

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 4: with people who have no idea what they're talking about,

1235
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 4: going back and forth, drawing up these crazy scenarios and

1236
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 4: it's a bunch of insults to each other. That same

1237
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 4: toxic energy penetrated our politics to pass two election cycles.

1238
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 4: And I just I don't know what to do about it.

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 4: What I love that you said, Gary, is who else

1240
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 4: is going to solve this other than us? I want

1241
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 4: to solve it. I don't know how I want to.

1242
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 5: You troubled my soul a little bit for two seconds,

1243
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 5: and I think that And I want to say, specifically,

1244
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 5: when black men, if we are in a conversation where

1245
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 5: we talk about all these young black men who are

1246
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 5: marrying these white girls on college campuses, right, there are

1247
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 5: never black men in my circle that come out and

1248
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 5: justify them making those choices right, because then that would

1249
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 5: be us saying that it's okay to leave black women.

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Speaker 10: I think for me, there's not an option.

1251
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 5: And I've never dated outside of my race in a

1252
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 5: serious way, so there's not an option that I would

1253
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 5: consider outside of black women for me personally, right, So

1254
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 5: when some of us hear that rebuttal that why did

1255
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 5: we let her get away? It would never be an

1256
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 5: option anything else for me, ever, And I think that

1257
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 5: there are those of us who have that level of

1258
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 5: commitment to each other, and that is what.

1259
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 10: We are expecting in return, right, because.

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Speaker 5: The example that black men gave black women to choose

1261
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 5: in Barack Obama was a full black package, and I

1262
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 5: think that there are some folks who want the same thing. Now,

1263
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 5: this is a conversation that's awkward, especially as somebody who's

1264
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 5: run for office that wants to get white folks to

1265
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 5: support me again is having in a public space. But

1266
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 5: we need to have these spaces, these conversations because they

1267
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 5: impact our body politics.

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 10: They really do intensely. I also think.

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01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 5: We got to get back to really loving each other

1270
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 5: and celebrating each other. Yes, we've built so many ways

1271
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 5: that we have segregated ourselves against each other as black folks.

1272
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 5: And I think what Terrence's data says is that we

1273
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 5: want to know that you're black first, before you are

1274
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 5: a woman, before you a man, before you're gay, before

1275
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 5: your trans, before you anything else. Are you focused on

1276
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: your blackness and the conditions of black people in this

1277
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 5: community and in this country, and how do we make

1278
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 5: the material conditions of black people better? And once you

1279
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 5: qualify yourself as black Latin XX or black trans or blackness,

1280
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 5: you have now segregated yourself into something that allows you

1281
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 5: to get a classification that we don't collectively have. And

1282
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 5: our community has not checked off these boxes yet, So

1283
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 5: I don't really have time to hear about your box

1284
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 5: because the collective box has not been addressed yet.

1285
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Gary, please finish.

1286
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 5: I think that that's one of the things that we

1287
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 5: got to really get back to. I'm black first, before

1288
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 5: I'm a man, before I'm a Christian, before I'm anything else.

1289
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 5: I am black before my mother and father.

1290
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 10: Knew that I would be a boy.

1291
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 5: They knew I was black, okay, before any other decisions

1292
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 5: could be made.

1293
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 10: We start there.

1294
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 5: And if we started that place as sisters, as brothers,

1295
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 5: I think we can get a whole lot of our

1296
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 5: conversations moving forward because we accept our gay brothers and cousin.

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Speaker 1: Gary, You hit on something there around the black Ferson

1298
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: remind me of a conversation my wife had with me

1299
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Speaker 1: around some frustration she was having at work at the time.

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Speaker 1: She worked for a very senior white female in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party in Florida office holder, and she was getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of criticism because she couldn't A number of

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Speaker 1: her white female colleagues couldn't understand how she could be

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Speaker 1: for Barack and the way that she was and not

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Speaker 1: for Hillary in that primary. And she was like, are

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Speaker 1: you like, this is not a consideration. I'm a black

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Speaker 1: woman first, but I also there are some subtexts that

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Speaker 1: isn't now I think we haven't expressed here that I

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Speaker 1: think you got to when you said, we just need

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Speaker 1: to know. The criticism of Barack Obama, largely early in

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Speaker 1: was that one he was not raised in a traditional

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Speaker 1: Black American experience, growing up in Hawaii, you know, spending

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Speaker 1: time in California, and then n Yu and so on

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Speaker 1: and so forth. That didn't We didn't We couldn't trace ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't trace ourselves through him, and therefore that created

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Speaker 1: some suspicion about, all right, who is this dude. We

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Speaker 1: heard some of that throughout through through revenge, some others,

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Speaker 1: in some off Mike moments, never really for everybody's consumption,

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Speaker 1: but it was certainly our community understood it. And very similarly,

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Speaker 1: I think Kamala Harris it was to the extent that

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Speaker 1: I heard conversation about her partner. It was more about

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Speaker 1: how you're gonna be a howard for four years around

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Speaker 1: the best of us and then still not choose us,

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Speaker 1: and and of course it just gets at nothing of

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Speaker 1: what Tiffany's point is, which is, you know, how many

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Speaker 1: of y'all had a shot and then Blue Yo shot

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Speaker 1: and all the eight herd ache pain led her to

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Speaker 1: an opening that did find and create love for her.

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Speaker 1: But this knowing, this instinctive knowing who you're dealing with,

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Speaker 1: this craving of people just want their politicians to be

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Speaker 1: like them. They want to know that they're normal. They

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump is appealing because he's saying the same

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Speaker 1: shit and doing it, you know, saying this stuff out

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Speaker 1: loud that I'm saying with my group of friends and

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Speaker 1: the whatever that that kind of association isn't. I think

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Speaker 1: people have always craved that. I want to know that

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Speaker 1: you put your pants on one leg at a time,

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Speaker 1: just like me, and that when you run into struggle

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Speaker 1: or hardship or this, that there are some default places

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Speaker 1: that we know you're going first before you choose other options.

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Speaker 1: So and I don't think anybody's strange in that. I

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Speaker 1: think white voters do it. I think all voters want

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Speaker 1: to know who you are and what you're made of.

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Speaker 1: So when we heard all throughout the cycle, voters want

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Speaker 1: to know, but who is Kamala And I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of us read that as it's because she's black,

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it was that simplistic. I think

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Speaker 1: black people want to know who is she, just like

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Speaker 1: we wanted to know who is he with Barack Obama,

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Speaker 1: who hadn't experienced that I can't even relate to as

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Speaker 1: a black person having grown up in this country. And

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Speaker 1: so that thirst is real. And if there were takeaways

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Speaker 1: from it is folks are going to they want to

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Speaker 1: be able to trace you. They want to track you

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Speaker 1: and trace you so that they know, for the decisions

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Speaker 1: that have yet to come that they instinctually feel that

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Speaker 1: you've got some options that you're going to consider, even

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Speaker 1: if you're not considering them out loud before you make

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Speaker 1: a decision. And I want to know that for as

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Speaker 1: a black person, that one you're gonna have an experience

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Speaker 1: in this country that will have some resonance with mine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that when you're confronted by the question, that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have some sensibilities and sensitivities that reflect my lived

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Speaker 1: experience to and not just theirs.

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Speaker 4: This conversation is so good. We're going to close out

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Speaker 4: the podcast here. This is going to be a two parter,

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Speaker 4: so you guys be sure to tune in. Uh, We're

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Speaker 4: gonna split this podcast into so you guys be sure

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Speaker 4: to tune in on Friday. Will drop the second part

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Speaker 4: of this conversation because it's so good.

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Speaker 1: What is normally our mini pod. It'll be a continuation

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Speaker 1: of this conversation. We know that you will enjoy it,

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Speaker 1: hopefully as thoroughly as we have enjoyed it. With that

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Speaker 1: being said, I think I y'all agree. How many are

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Speaker 1: our takeaways for this week are probably listen to what

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Speaker 1: we just talked about the last man plus right, and

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