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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck and this is short stuff and this is

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Speaker 1: a good one because we are squeezing it in five

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Speaker 1: Lazarus species animals starting now, right. If you're wondering what

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Speaker 1: a Lazarus species is, we've talked about it before with

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Speaker 1: the first entry that we'll talk about in a second,

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Speaker 1: but uh, Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead in the Bible,

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Speaker 1: if you believe that stuff. And a Lazarus species is

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Speaker 1: a organism that has been brought back from extinction or

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Speaker 1: that we thought rather it was extinct, not one that's

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Speaker 1: like threatened, and we do a good job with it,

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Speaker 1: but people are like, well, there's no more of those.

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Speaker 1: And then years later so I's like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: there's another one of those, right, And we actually did

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Speaker 1: a whole episode on one of these already, the Cela

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Speaker 1: canth That's right, That's what I was referring to. Number one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it has like an amazing story behind it, which will

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Speaker 1: briefly go over again because, um, it has four lobes,

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Speaker 1: meaning it had like kind of these proto limbs, um.

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Speaker 1: And when they found it first in the fossil record

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Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century. It was, you know, a four

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Speaker 1: hundred million year old fossil, and they're like, this is

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Speaker 1: the missing link between you know, animals in the sea

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Speaker 1: and animals on the ground. And we love the Cela

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Speaker 1: cant for this reason, but it's long dead. I think

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Speaker 1: the most recent fossil they'd found was from sixty six

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Speaker 1: million years ago, So we just thought it was another

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Speaker 1: very very interesting prehistoric fish, right, and it was very

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Speaker 1: sad to not be able to study those in modern times.

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Speaker 1: And then boom, not too modern. But in ninett they

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Speaker 1: South Africa, and that was a big, big deal. And

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Speaker 1: then since then they've gotten quite a few more of

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Speaker 1: these live specimens on record. If I remember correctly, it

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Speaker 1: was a woman's scientist to who was the one who

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Speaker 1: recognized it for what it was and was like, the

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Speaker 1: this is a big deal. Yeah, aren't they like not

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Speaker 1: bottom dwellers, but they're pretty deep guys, right, yes, And

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Speaker 1: I remember they see I'm enough that now that we're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: these are definitely not extinct. They're still around. I think

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Speaker 1: they Yeah, they just don't inhabit areas we frequent very much,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, this is clearly not trying to grow

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Speaker 1: arms and legs, but nice effort, right, So we got

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Speaker 1: one under our belt, Chuck, What about the takahi. The

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Speaker 1: takahi is native to New Zealand, one of our favorite places.

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Speaker 1: Hello are Kiwi friends, And this is a flightless bird

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Speaker 1: that's a member of the rail family. It's very pretty,

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Speaker 1: about the size of a goose. They're kind of blue green,

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Speaker 1: they're they're really really nice looking, and even from the

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Speaker 1: beginning they were really rare. I think they were discovered

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Speaker 1: by European explorers in eighty seven and they were never abundant. No, apparently, UM.

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Speaker 1: After the second specimen was found, only four were found

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Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century. When the guy who found the

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Speaker 1: That closed the book on it. But um, fifty years later,

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Speaker 1: people like Jeffrey Orbell are out there because, uh, Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Orbell found one of these things on the South Island

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Speaker 1: So it's not just like nobody's reported one of these

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Speaker 1: in the United States. Uh. Something about science is not truth.

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Speaker 1: Science is the search for truth. Uh. And basically, when

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Speaker 1: when things change, science continues to search for that truth.

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Speaker 1: So we're back with I think my favorite it's my favorite,

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Speaker 1: too good. We're talking about the lord how island stick insect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not a great name. There's a better name for it,

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Speaker 1: don't you think. Yeah. Leave it to Australia to uh

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Speaker 1: have an insect called a tree lobster um. Lord Howe

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Speaker 1: everybody knows that chips, especially back in the olden days.

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, but they're off by a few years. We're

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Speaker 1: just full of rats. And these rats descended upon the

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Speaker 1: They were like tree lobsters deed lish. Yeah, so they

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Speaker 1: actually ate all the tree lobsters on the island, and

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Speaker 1: them all the rats did. The rats um had no

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Speaker 1: they also ate to extinction all sorts of bird species,

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Speaker 1: weren't like obviously forty year old descating corpses. They were fairly,

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Speaker 1: fairly recent corpses. So they're like, wait a minute, these

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Speaker 1: back and give them the finger. Very nice. They're spreading

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Speaker 1: poison quisp on the islands. Irresistible, man, I'd have a

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Speaker 1: hard time but that. You'd feel like, I know it's poisonous,

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Speaker 1: dead man. Um. So, uh, there's another one. Uh, hats

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Speaker 1: can't believe we're gonna do five and shorty, But here

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Speaker 1: Maxostoma robust um. It's a good band name. Or maybe

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Speaker 1: an album title, yeah yeah, yeah, prog rock for sure,

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately that fish was destroyed because that was the

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Speaker 1: I can't put my finger on it. But we've talked

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Speaker 1: robust red horse fish. Uh. They started finding them in

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Speaker 1: juveniles that had been born to this restored population of

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Speaker 1: robust red horses. A big comeback, huge comeback from the dead.

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Speaker 1: Basically same here. So uh, that's it for short Stuff, everybody,

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