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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hart.

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Speaker 2: Star, that's Karen kil Gariff, and we're going to do

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Speaker 2: a solo episode for you.

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Speaker 1: We reached you a story just for you. No no

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Speaker 1: solo episode, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, where one of us does a story just

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Speaker 2: one at a time, solo.

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Speaker 1: I know what I can count to solo. You can

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Speaker 1: and you have in the past.

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Speaker 2: And I think as a gift, not a gift, as

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Speaker 2: a bonus for solos. Let's do one beauty product that

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Speaker 2: we both love.

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Speaker 1: What's funny about this is so and we've complained about

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Speaker 1: this before on this podcast. We now have to worry

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Speaker 1: about our makeup and how we look before we record.

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Speaker 1: It's a real bitch. I don't like it and I

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Speaker 1: don't make enough time for it. You look great, oh,

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Speaker 1: thanking looks great today. When I went to put makeup on,

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Speaker 1: my makeupag was not in my purse. So of course

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Speaker 1: we've gotten it down. I'm sure you like I have

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Speaker 1: gotten it down to like this.

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Speaker 2: This is the I have a I couldn't do it

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Speaker 2: in ten minutes or I couldn't do it in an hour,

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Speaker 2: and it'll look the fucking same.

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Speaker 1: It looked the same and it'll stick on.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get like the primers and the grippers

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Speaker 1: because it just all comes off my.

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Speaker 2: Face and then you have you've talked about the before

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Speaker 2: and afters nowadays just to like fucking get it to stick.

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Speaker 1: So what a day to talk about the things I

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Speaker 1: really need because I all of this was at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of a filing cabinet that I had thrown in

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Speaker 1: there like an emergency bag.

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Speaker 2: Nice. So it's working, honestly, thank you, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: The colors are working. So I wonder, like, whatever that

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Speaker 2: lipstick is that you shrew and you're like some other time, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't here's the thing. I don't even know what it is.

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Speaker 1: It was a thing at the bottom Mars like that

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Speaker 1: looks like a good color for camera. It's working. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I will put that right at the top. But you

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Speaker 1: go because obviously something inspired you, right, Yeah, well my hair.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing my hair instead of my makeup, even though

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Speaker 2: we just talked about the makeup. Yeah, yeah, because this

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Speaker 2: one thing I've been using has like really changed things

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Speaker 2: up for me. And it's like one of those things

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Speaker 2: where you know, TikTokers are always like here are my

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Speaker 2: empties of the month that I am just like so

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Speaker 2: inconsistent that I never have empties, do you?

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Speaker 1: Yes, well I started long ago when we're like, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do a Korean skincare recommendation video, which I

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Speaker 1: will do for the fan cult, I promise, But I

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Speaker 1: started keeping empties and so they're that sames.

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Speaker 2: Now we have to fucking keep our empty find like

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Speaker 2: can we just please why does everything have to be content?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So mine is and this is literally what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing right now. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I put in my like regular leading conditioner, the K

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Speaker 2: nineteen stuff, and but I blow dry my hair every

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Speaker 2: time I shower, which is somewhat frequently, not at the

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Speaker 2: same time. No, so then I have to now put

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Speaker 2: on the bumble and heat shield spray yep, because it

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Speaker 2: has changed the way my hair looks post flow dry

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Speaker 2: and straightener and any kind of heat and my even

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Speaker 2: my hairstylist was like, your color staying longer because of.

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Speaker 1: It because you found a product the heat shield mumble

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Speaker 1: and mumble. Nice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a big fan. I have empties, which never

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Speaker 2: happens to me.

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Speaker 1: That's exciting because then you know it's like it's working

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Speaker 1: and you're using it right. Well, then if I were

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Speaker 1: to do a hair one, yeah, I started. Did you

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Speaker 1: have you seen any of that any of those videos

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Speaker 1: that are like you can find figure out what type

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Speaker 1: of hair you have. So it's like, I think I

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Speaker 1: have A three, which is wavy and some a little

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Speaker 1: bit curly, but mostly wavy, okay, And you can go

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Speaker 1: through and they basically tell you you find your kind

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Speaker 1: of hair, and then they're like, this is what you

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Speaker 1: should use and not use. Is this AI? It's AI

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Speaker 1: drawn as like third grade coloring panels to teach you

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Speaker 1: math or whatever. That's what it kind of looked like

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Speaker 1: the last one I look out. So anyhow, I figured

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Speaker 1: out I put too much protein in my hair. It

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Speaker 1: makes it dry. So if you're spraying and leaving conditioner

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Speaker 1: and you find that you're getting dry ends, I am

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Speaker 1: watch out for the the K nineteen. I don't know

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Speaker 1: canine tea might be keratin, I don't fucking know. Hatch

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Speaker 1: out for the protein. I didn't even know there was

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Speaker 1: protein and fucking hair and rop dude protein. And also

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Speaker 1: you have to like figure out that I'm an A three,

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Speaker 1: that's I have to use this thing over here, where

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Speaker 1: it kind of does work though. Yeah, I'm sure, so

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Speaker 1: I will give you my I love Necessary Rosemary shampoo

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Speaker 1: and conditioner. Have you used it? No? But I know

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Speaker 1: Rosemary shampoo is great. Yeah. Yeah, it's good for growing

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Speaker 1: your hair and stuff. And then that brand, although it

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Speaker 1: sounds fancy, is totally affordable. You can get it at

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Speaker 1: alter or wherever. It just smells really good and it's

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Speaker 1: gives you like tons, it feels like it's cleaning your hair, duble. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's great.

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Speaker 1: What is it called necessary necessary Rosemary? I think it's

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Speaker 1: Rosemary mint shampoo and conditioner. Okay, dark green bottle perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love it, and we love you to give us

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Speaker 1: free products if you want to. Friends, friends, who's always.

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Speaker 2: So now we'll just do solo and we'll say what

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Speaker 2: we want and then hopefully products will listen.

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Speaker 1: We like stuff and we're going to say it. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, so I'm first and only, first and only.

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Speaker 1: It's a solo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is my solo. Good luck, thank you, see

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Speaker 2: you later, bye bye. Today I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: a story about heroism. Roism, heroism, heroism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, heroism. I think people say heroism, heroism, heroes is it?

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Speaker 1: I knew it was wrong. Heroism, haro, that's it. But

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Speaker 1: why do we do that when it's heroism heroism? It

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Speaker 1: should be heroism. Yeah, but it's heroism is a serious Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Heroism, heroism in the face of racism, we need more

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The Medal of Honor is the United States highest military decoration,

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Speaker 2: as you know well, Karen, Yes, I talk about it

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Speaker 2: a lot all the time, and it's awarded for special

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Speaker 2: acts of valor. So here's a little shitty fact. Black

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Speaker 2: racist Jim Crow era policies around the time of World

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Speaker 2: War Two, in particular, zero black soldiers were awarded the

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Speaker 2: Medal of Honor for service in World War Two until

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Speaker 2: about fifty years after the war ended. So World War One,

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Speaker 2: the Korean, Vietnam, but World War Two is just sitting there.

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Speaker 1: Honorless erased.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So today I'm going to tell you about two black

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Speaker 2: One who was alive to receive his medal fifty years later,

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Speaker 2: while the other died in combat. Both fought bravely in

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Speaker 2: an army that was still operating under racist policies, defending

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Speaker 1: This is the story of World War Two heroes Vernon

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Speaker 1: Baker and John Fox. Amazing. It's a lot of heroism, greats,

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Speaker 1: a lot of heroism. We need that these days, we

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Speaker 1: need some examples. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the main sources I used in the story were

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Speaker 2: a book called Braided in Fire, Black Gis and Tuscan

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Speaker 2: Villagers on the Gothic Line, Yes, in nineteen forty.

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Speaker 1: Four by Sallas Wales. I want to read that book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. I did not

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Speaker 1: Do you know now?

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Speaker 2: I do know now because of this story, But like

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Speaker 2: I do know a good amount of stuff about World

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Speaker 1: I'm it's like one of my interests.

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Speaker 2: Interests couldn't have told you anything about Italy, and it's

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Speaker 2: rolling it like, Italy is not my focus when it

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Speaker 2: comes in the middle, I know, but like Italy's role

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Speaker 2: in World War Two, you know, oh, rest Messalini. But

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Speaker 1: Anyways. The rest of the sources can be found in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. And I just ask, are you going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna, yeah, Okay, we're gonna go there. So

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Speaker 1: So here we are.

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Speaker 2: It's nineteen ninety six and seventy six year old Vernon

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Speaker 2: Baker receives a phone call from a professor of military

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Speaker 2: in the Second World War. Black soldiers had been awarded

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Speaker 1: It just their service was a race.

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Speaker 2: Vernon doesn't think much will come of this phone call.

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Speaker 2: There have been some efforts in the past to nominate

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Speaker 2: come to fruition. But he talks to the man on

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Speaker 2: life and military service. Even so, let's go over that

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Speaker 2: Vernon's worn in nineteen nineteen and he's orphaned at age

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Speaker 2: four when his parents die in a car accident.

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Speaker 1: It's like James and the Giant Peach. I know, so sad.

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Speaker 2: He and his two sisters are raised in Cheyenne, Wyoming

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Speaker 2: his grandfather who teaches him how to hunt, and eventually

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Speaker 2: he's sent to live at father Flannagan's Boys Town in Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: You know of it. My dad used to reference it

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Speaker 1: all the time. Really, there's like a famous movie that

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Speaker 1: somebody was in and you know, yeah, it's what are

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Speaker 1: your dad's favorite It's like, you're we're going to send

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Speaker 1: you It's a Boystown type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, as orphanages go, Boystown looks like it was

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Speaker 2: better than most. I'm reading The Reformatory by Tannon rv

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Speaker 2: Do and that is not a good place.

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Speaker 1: What is it.

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Speaker 2: It's like a historical fiction about a reformatory or a

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Speaker 2: boy like a you know, juvenile school in the South.

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Speaker 1: Oh, products, it's just harrowing.

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Speaker 2: But Flannagan's Boystown, Father, Flanagan's boys Town, your father will

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Speaker 2: be disappointed to know, was.

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Speaker 1: Za better than most. It was good.

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Speaker 2: Just it took in boys of all races and religions

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Speaker 2: and emphasized physical well being. It was considered a pioneer

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Speaker 2: in the field of child welfare. So take that home, Jim.

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Speaker 1: Home, Jim. I'll be like, I'm a pioneer of child

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Speaker 1: But no soldiers. I mean, I've heard of Buffalo soldiers

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the white supremacy inherent and not all over it.

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Speaker 2: The Gothic Line is a chain of mountain strongholds being

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Speaker 2: Rally putting that in there.

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Speaker 2: Vernon and his fellow soldiers are mostly focused on trying

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Speaker 2: On April fifth, nineteen forty five, Vernon in his platoon

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Speaker 2: He also destroys telephone lines the Germans are using. By then,

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Speaker 2: Holy shit. Then you know what he does. He reports

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Speaker 1: And how many people are still alive. We'll get to that, okay.

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Speaker 2: In twenty minutes, the platoon fights on, eventually losing nineteen

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Speaker 2: About ten years later, when Vernon is in his seventies,

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Speaker 2: Finally, when asked if he had given up hope of

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Speaker 2: So John is born in nineteen fifteen in Cincinnati, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: What does RTC stand for? It's a regiment of.

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Speaker 2: Can you help me, Molly, it's Reserve Officers Training Corps.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Reserve Officers Training Corps. You were close, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: For not It would have all been bad. And I

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Speaker 1: Right and Ern Ern and Arlene, Yes, a great two

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Speaker 2: They hit it off right away. They go on lots

437
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Speaker 2: of dates. They go writing, and they go on walks.

438
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 2: John meets Arlene's family and they love him immediately. Arleene says, quote,

439
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: he could ingratiate himself anywhere. He was just honest and

440
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 2: outgoing and funny. John and Arlene get engaged and start

441
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: planning a big wedding, but the attack on Pearl Harbor

442
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 2: in December of nineteen forty one just has to move

443
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Speaker 2: up everyone's timeline.

444
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

445
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 2: John insists that he and Arlene get married before he leaves,

446
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: and Arlene gets pregnant three months after the wedding and

447
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: goes into labor. In December of nineteen forty two, in

448
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 2: a snowstorm, John leaves her laboring in the house, treks

449
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 2: out into knee deep snow, and comes back bringing a

450
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: fellow soldier who has a tractor with a snow plow,

451
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Speaker 2: And so John drives Arlene to the hospital, following behind

452
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Speaker 2: the plow.

453
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Speaker 1: Amazing, like, so he's clearly very like what's the word inventive, industrious? Yes,

454
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Speaker 1: he'll make it happen, Yes, exactly. She gives birth to

455
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Speaker 1: a dotter Or who they named Sandra. The family is

456
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Speaker 1: together for about a year before John ships out. Arlene

457
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Speaker 1: says quote, in that year, we lived a lifetime of

458
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Speaker 1: loving and caring.

459
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Speaker 2: He was so proud of that child. We had some

460
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 2: good times. I already told you spoiler alert that he

461
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: dies in combat. So that's her saying that, Like, I'm

462
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: so lucky to have had the time.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, with this person. And that's how loving he was.

464
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Speaker 1: Is like, and that was the plan. Like He's like,

465
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Speaker 1: we get married now, not when I come back, and

466
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Speaker 1: we get this going now, Yeah, beautiful.

467
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Speaker 2: John's regiment ships out to Algeria in March of nineteen

468
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Speaker 2: forty four. They're his all black regiment encounters racism from

469
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Speaker 2: white soldiers on what is possibly a worse scale than

470
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Speaker 2: they are used to back at home. At the camp

471
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Speaker 2: in Algeria, black soldiers are not allowed to go to

472
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Speaker 2: the movies after a certain time. They're forbidden from entering

473
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Speaker 2: the post exchange. In one letter to Arlene, John writes,

474
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Speaker 2: quote segregation on every turn, and I mean in the

475
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Speaker 2: worst kind of way. He adds, quote, some these rotten

476
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 2: dogs I have to work around are worse now than

477
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: they were in the States because they just they're free.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah. God, that sucks.

479
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lives like Massachusetts and he's from Ohio. You know,

480
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: it's not from the south, so he's experiencing something he's

481
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: never maybe.

482
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Speaker 1: Never that intensity. Yeah.

483
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Speaker 2: The following up, John now thirty and his regiment are

484
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Speaker 2: called to Italy, your friend, Italy, that's my spot, Yeah,

485
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 2: to fight on that same Gothic line that Vernon was

486
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Speaker 2: fighting on. On Christmas of nineteen forty four, John is

487
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Speaker 2: serving as a forward observer in the town of Somo Conlonia,

488
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Speaker 2: gorgeous Somo Colonia.

489
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Speaker 1: Cologne, Italy, and then put a hand up liking.

490
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Speaker 2: On Christmas night, more and more enemy troops a mass

491
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Speaker 2: near the town, this little town in Italy, until the

492
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: Americans are outnumbered. Most of the Allied troops in town

493
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Speaker 2: withdraw but John and a few others stayed back, directing

494
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Speaker 2: defensive artillery fire that will slow down the Germans. So

495
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Speaker 2: they're all retreating. They've got like a little platoons staying

496
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Speaker 2: to just fend off what's becoming more and more enemy soldiers.

497
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Speaker 2: By early Boxing Day morning, the Germans have entered the town.

498
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Speaker 2: John and the few soldiers who remained are positioned at

499
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Speaker 2: the top of a tower in the center of town.

500
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Speaker 2: This part, when I read it, I just it broke

501
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Speaker 2: my heart. From that position, John is able to call

502
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: in coordinates to the Americans firing artillery from farther away,

503
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: and say, here's exactly where the Germans are. As the

504
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 2: Germans advance on the tower, he's calling in strikes closer

505
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: and closer to his position. He's like, hit them here,

506
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Speaker 2: hit them here. The artillery fire he's calling in is effective,

507
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: but the town is overrun with enemy troops by this point.

508
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: Each explosion draws nearer and nearer to the tower where

509
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: he and the remaining soldiers are. Finally, John calls in

510
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Speaker 2: one more set of coordinates. The artillery unit on the

511
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: other end of the line argues with him because that

512
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: he's basically calling in a strike to his own position,

513
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: Like they're here, strike, John says, quote, fire it. There

514
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: are more of them than there are of us. Give

515
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: them hell. And it's like worth it to him, you

516
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

517
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Speaker 1: Like, well, it is. It's the world. It's like they

518
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: are fighting for the freedom of the world, right, I

519
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: mean chills. Yeah.

520
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: The Americans follow John's instructions, and he and the other

521
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 2: men who volunteer to stay behind are killed along with

522
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Speaker 2: the enemy. By remaining in town and continuing to do

523
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: that to direct the artillery fire. John and his team

524
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: slow down the German troops, and the artillery fire kills

525
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: somewhere between forty and one hundred of the enemy.

526
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Speaker 1: Wow.

527
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Speaker 2: They also give the retreating American soldiers and the Italian

528
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: civilians from that town time to escape. By doing that,

529
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Speaker 2: the US troops are eventually able to regain control.

530
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Speaker 1: Of the town. Wow.

531
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Speaker 2: The Germans had been trying to retake the strategic port

532
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Speaker 2: at Livorno, about sixty miles south of Somo Cologna, and

533
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Speaker 2: they ultimately were unable to because of this. If they

534
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: had succeeded, if the enemy had succeeded, they would have

535
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: cut the Americans off from being able to get so

536
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: applies at all. So John does not receive any award

537
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: for his heroism until nineteen eighty two, when a friend

538
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: compiles the necessary evidence for him to be awarded the

539
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: Distinguished Service Cross, which has to be so complicated because

540
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: it's just word of mouth at that point, probably right, like,

541
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Speaker 2: you have to interview everyone who was.

542
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: There and try to go find like paperwork in the

543
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: archives that shows that they were there. Totally. Yeah.

544
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: Arlene who became a widow at twenty five years old

545
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: never remarries.

546
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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, I know, I know, I know.

547
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: Twenty five and she never remarries as her man. I

548
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: mean she was married to a man like that. She

549
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: was married to a man that made a sacrifice like that. Yeah,

550
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: you can and go be like, hey, do you like

551
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: to read? I mean, like, what are you supposed to

552
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: do after that? You married the hero already?

553
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

554
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: God damn it? Okay.

555
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: For decades, she and their daughter Sandra, along with other

556
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: members of the ninety second Infantry and their families, advocate

557
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: for better recognition of the valor of black soldiers in

558
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: World War Two. Though America took decades to recognize John's heroism,

559
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: it turns out that in the town of Soma, Cologna,

560
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: they already were like, oh, celebrating it no. Long before

561
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: John was awarded his first medal. The town memorialized him

562
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: with a small monument among several dedicated to the heroes who.

563
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: Helped rid them. That town of nazis.

564
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: Ugh, there is a monument to him before we even

565
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: like were like, hey, good job. In the nineteen seventies,

566
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Speaker 2: an American woman named Solace Wales, who wrote the book

567
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Speaker 2: that I used as a source is living in Italy,

568
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: and she finds the monument, and she becomes so interested

569
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Speaker 2: in Fox's story that she researches his life in military

570
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: service and eventually writes that book. She also joins in

571
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: Arlen's push to get her husband's contributions recognized. So the

572
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: Clinton administration is the first to really pay attention to

573
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: these calls. Surprisingly, can you blame me?

574
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: Her emails?

575
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and a grant is given to Shaw University,

576
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: who we talked about in the very beginning, to investigate

577
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: stories of black heroism in World War Two.

578
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Speaker 1: And that's how Vernon winds up getting his phone call

579
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six.

580
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: And then in January nineteen ninety seven, along with Vernon

581
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Speaker 2: and five other soldiers. As I said, John is posthumously

582
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: awarded the Medal of Honor, the military's highest decoration. At

583
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: the time that he's awarded the medal, Arlene says, quote,

584
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: he was always a hero to us. We never needed

585
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: a medal to know what he had done and what

586
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: kind of person he was. If he knew he didn't

587
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: have a way out, he was going to make it count.

588
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: He was that kind of guy. I mean, yeah, so brave.

589
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: That's the ultimate act of bravery.

590
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd wonder what you would do in that situation,

591
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 2: and I bet most of us would not do that.

592
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: It would be like, I guess you could, but well

593
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: like us run. Yeah. I mean that's also just like

594
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: the survival instinct, right, That's why it's so noble totally.

595
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: That's what you're supposed to be as a soldier, but

596
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: you're also a human.

597
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

598
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: When asked about what the recognition means to her, Arlene says, quote,

599
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: I think it's more than just what it means to

600
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: this family. I think it sends a message to all,

601
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: like a little wake up call that when a man

602
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: does his duty, his color is an important end quote.

603
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: The five other black soldiers who received the Medal of

604
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: Honor for their service in World War Two are Sergeant

605
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: Reuben Rivers, Staff Sergeant Edward A. Carter, Junior Lieutenant Charles Thomas,

606
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: Private first Class Willie James, and Private George Watson. When

607
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: he receives his medal, Vernon, the only veteran alive at

608
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: the time, says quote, the only thing that I can

609
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: say to those who are not here with me is

610
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: thank you, fellas well done.

611
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: I will always remember you.

612
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: Oh, and those are the stories of Lieutenant John R.

613
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: Fox and Lieutenant Vernon Baker, two American heroes who went

614
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: far too long without the recognition they deserved.

615
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: Here's your great job, here's your Netflix series. It's like

616
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Speaker 1: these are untold.

617
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: The ninety second Infantry, Like give them a straight to

618
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Speaker 2: series ten season arc.

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Speaker 1: Thank you tell that story. Everybody wants to know these stories.

620
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Speaker 1: And there's tons more. God dang, that's amazing. Great job,

621
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Great find like great idea. All right,

622
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Speaker 1: that's there. It is a solo episode. That's that.

623
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Speaker 2: The solo episodes, I think are about as we try

624
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Speaker 2: to find a strong story that can stand on its own.

625
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: That's right. And we'll also give you beauty tips. That's right.

626
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Speaker 1: It's really a perfect podcast. You have to admit it. Yeah,

627
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: like what that's basically who we are and what we do. Well,

628
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Speaker 1: we're back in the car, and you know what that means.

629
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Speaker 1: It's time for another round of honking.

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Speaker 2: Horays, presented by Hyundai. This is actually my car. This

631
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Speaker 2: is my Hyundai. All right?

632
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Speaker 1: Should I go first? Go ahead? Okay, this is just

633
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Speaker 1: called hooray, Hi, Karen and Georgia. My horay?

634
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: Is that my mom came with me to get my

635
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: first tattoo, sat by my side for the full four hours,

636
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: holding my hand, helping me get through some of the

637
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: worst parts of the pain. This was the same woman

638
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: who eight years ago told me if I ever got

639
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: a tattoo, I would never be welcome.

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00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: In her home again. Oh.

641
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: Battling breast cancer and winning turned her into the strong,

642
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: amazing woman that she is today. She is living proof

643
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: that is never too late to change and grow and

644
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Speaker 2: I'm so proud to be her daughter.

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Speaker 1: SSDGM kayleie, Kaylee, congrats on your cool mom. Yeah. But

646
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Speaker 1: also I love that she's like my mom, sat there

647
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: with me through this voluntary pain that I paid a

648
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: bunch of money to have.

649
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: Like fed me crackerski me walk, got me through something

650
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: I did not have to go through.

651
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Speaker 1: It wasn't required because she's been through real shit, that's right,

652
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: and she knows none of this mattered exactly. Okay. This

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Speaker 1: is from Jenna via Instagram DM, and it says my

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Speaker 1: horay is that after years of wanting a sectional couch,

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Speaker 1: have you heard of that? I didn't know. It's the thing,

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Speaker 1: but that is like me in a nutshell. I have

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Speaker 1: my little corner with all my little things. And what

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Speaker 1: do you do if someone sits in that corner? They

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Speaker 1: don't Yeah, that's right, they don't. They know the impression

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Speaker 1: is exactly your but no one else can go in there.

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Speaker 1: And then the last line of this DM is, I

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Speaker 1: also just found out I'm pregnant. Oh my gosh, So

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Speaker 1: if you need a little, a little you know, the

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Speaker 1: heart at the end so beautiful. That is lovely.

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Speaker 2: There is something about a sexual couch that just like

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Speaker 1: The gratitude you feel from a good sectional couch is

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Speaker 1: unmatched to Sorry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's mine from Instagram Karen and Georgia, please meet

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Speaker 2: my hooray Georgia hard Bark.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a cute dog. And that's from Jessica Georgia

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Speaker 1: hard Bark. I'm so honored, very cute, very similar. Here.

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Speaker 1: I won't read you the subject line, it just says,

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Speaker 1: here's a quick little horay, my play Catching a Cheese

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Speaker 1: Pervert of Francis. Francis mystery that I wrote and directed

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Speaker 1: is inspired by the Swiss cheese pervert who I heard

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Speaker 1: about verse on MFM twenty five years ago and it

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Speaker 1: went up at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I was there, so it was good Like it wasn't

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Speaker 1: just they wrote one. I got that out of my system,

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Speaker 1: got accepted that. They made it into the fringe. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to do. A dream come true for every theater

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Speaker 1: kid in the world. Thanks Karen and Georgia for planting

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Speaker 1: the seed for my weird little show. I love that

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Speaker 1: Catching the Swiss Cheese Pervert. Look it up?

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Speaker 2: Look it up next coming up on what PBS probably.

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Speaker 1: Swiss cheese proverb. Yeah, yeah, because it's the theater. Y.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Congratulations krista masterpiece theater. Yeah that's incredible. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you Hyundai for letting us present honking horays.

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Speaker 1: And we love to sit in cars and read email.

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Speaker 1: So if you have any you know, send him to us.

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Speaker 1: Let us know what your honking horay is. Yeah, please

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Speaker 1: stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to cookie this has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo. This episode was mixed by

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Speaker 1: Leona Squalacci. Our researchers are Mayor McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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