1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: No way. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: What's up, dude? What's your name? 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: How's it going? 5 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: It's good. I'm Salmon. 6 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: Your name is Salmon? 7 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Not really, that's my game or name I got. 8 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: What games do you play as? What? 9 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 3: In? What? In? 10 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: What arenas? Are you known as? Salmon? 11 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 3: Oh? 12 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Man, my game so much? Play Destiny? Oh I'm so 13 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: nervous right now. Play World of Warcraft on a fantasy 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: whole bunch of in and O stuff like that. 15 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: What level are you in World of Warcraft? 16 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Oh? You know, just max level all over the place? 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: Here? 18 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going to a different room where there's 19 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: day I'm on the plane. 20 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 3: With the therapy Gecko. 21 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: So Salmon, yes, uh says here that you are a 22 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: real license therapist and that you hate your eighteen month 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: old baby. 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Yes, so, yeah, I'm a real therapist, my estate. I 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: got my degree last May, and yeah, I got my 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: license and I've been seeing clients. I've worked in the 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: field for a long time, like ten years, mental health 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: and addiction and trauma and stuff. I love it, Manna. 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: Being a therapist is super fun. 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: Can I ask you something? 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: Does anyone ever get better? 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: Hell? 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 4: Fucking yeah? 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: Really? 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, really, dude, totally give it. 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: Give me. Can I hear an example? 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'll just start with me. Like, so 39 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: I I got sober when I was sixteen, So I 40 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: got into recovery when I was sixteen and super gnarly depression, 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: like suicidal, really gnarly anxiety, you know, childhood trauma, addiction, 42 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: family addiction, stuff like that. So I mean when I 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: got into recovery, I like I hit it pretty hard 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: as far. 45 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 4: As like. 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: You know, going to meetings, being in twelve step recovery, 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: but also going to therapy. I started going to therapy 48 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: when I was probably eighteen or nineteen because I was like, 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I was in recovery and I was like meditating a 50 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: lot and exercising kind of doing all the like wellness 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: stuff to like combat depression and anxiety, but nothing was 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: really working, Like nothing I was doing on my own 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: when my own willpower was working, and I was like 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: fuck it, dude, I need to go with therapy. And 55 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: my therapist. I found a therapist I was super badass, 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Like it kind of have worked out to where I 57 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: was able to afford it because he had a sliding scale. 58 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: He was just really good trauma therapist and we did 59 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: trauma therapy and did it helped a lot. I don't 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: know how. 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: Old are you now, twenty seven, twenty seven? So I 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: mean you ever all right? And I don't want to 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: discount your story because you have a good story. But 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm talking like, you know, I feel like it's sixteen eighteen. 65 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: It's very like everyone No, I mean not everyone, but 66 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: like it's very easy to nah, not it's easy, but 67 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: you know, changing your life at sixteen eighteen is one 68 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: thing do you ever get, like like a broken thirty 69 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: five year old man? Who who turns it around? 70 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Dude? Totally. 71 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: So granted, I've been an individual therapist for less than 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 4: a year, so clients that I've worked with, you know, 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 4: I haven't been working with for more than a year. 74 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: But for example, I've got a client won't give too 75 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: much detail, but really intense sexual trauma and a lot 76 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: of complex trauma from childhood up into adulthood and in 77 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: a relatively short period of time with so I do 78 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: em DR is the type of trauma therapy. She's made 79 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: progress and it's you know, it's it is a slow game, 80 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: but ultimately, like the little games are are pretty awesome, 81 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Like moments of hope, moments of shifts of perspective where 82 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: like you know, a client will be able to move 83 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: in and out of that hopelessness way more, with way 84 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: more flexibility, and that shit is awesome. Man, Just ride 85 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: that out. 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: So why do you hate your baby? 87 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: If my wife listened to this, Just for the record, 88 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't hate my baby anymore. 89 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: You text you said, I have a proof. You texted me. 90 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: I'm gonna read that. I'm gonna read it. You said, 91 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: you said you what you texted me? Like seven things? 92 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: Hold on. You said I accidentally had no no, no, no, no, 93 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: don't be sorry. This is not something you need to 94 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: apologize for. You said I had an exorcism while on 95 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: vacation in Mexico. We might get to that. But you said, 96 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: I hate my eighteen month old baby. Why do you 97 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: I By the way, I just want to say this. 98 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: A few people in the chat said, how could this 99 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: man hate a baby? And I think those people are 100 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: idiots that have never met babies before, because the babies 101 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: they're not they're not they're not cool guys, you know. 102 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: But you might have a different reason. So you go ahead, 103 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: you you tell me what's up? 104 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, man, this is so hard. Like, yeah, my 105 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: wife and I. My wife's a little bit older than me, 106 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: and she she became ready to have a baby a 107 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: little bit kind of before. I was like, she already 108 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: had her degree, she already had her career, and it's 109 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: kind of just like, all right, let's do this. And 110 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: I was super resistant, super fearful about it, and yeah, 111 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: just like kind of self centered, but all I'll basically 112 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: like everyone in my life that I trusted and looked 113 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: up to was like, dude, you just gotta send it, 114 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: like it'll be worth it, you know, don't don't live 115 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: from this place of self centeredness. And I was like, yeah, 116 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: hell yeah, Like I love her so much, so it's 117 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: not worth like you know, people get divorced over that shit. 118 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Like that's just like no way. Like I love the 119 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: chruse so much, and I have had this like you know, 120 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: curer like faith that it would work out and it 121 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: would be okay. And I kind of thought, like, sure, 122 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: I don't really love babies in general, but I bet 123 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: whenever I have my own kid, it'll like override that 124 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: because people are like, oh my god, it's like there's 125 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, like people are you know it's like the 126 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: kid is born, and I've never felt so much love immediately. 127 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, fuck it, like it'll probably be 128 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: like that, right, dude. No, like but it was wild, 129 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: like we didn't we didn't do the whole like find 130 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: out the sex of the baby, so like in my 131 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: mind it was there. They were gonna be a like 132 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: a blonde haired girl just because like I don't know, 133 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: that was just the vibe. And he's a. 134 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: Redheaded boy, and I was like, who the fuck is this? 135 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were. 136 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: It was so scary, dude. And the and the actual 137 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: process was terrifying. 138 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: What was the actual process? 139 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: Like the birth was super complicated. It was scary like 140 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: health wives. And my wife was like, I don't know. 141 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: I had some difficulties, had some like preclamsya, which is 142 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: scary like blood pressure should and it was an emergency 143 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: sea section, and like I was just like watching her 144 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: on in the operating room like and I'm just like 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: she's gonna die, and I like all the I. 146 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 4: Could like see her blood going into a fucking vacuum 147 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: thing and I was so scared, Like I was like, she's. 148 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: Gonna fucking die. I felt like I was gonna pass out, 149 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: and like the surgeons are just like you know, they're 150 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: just like at work, they're just like they could be 151 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: working at Starbucks and making a fucking coffee, Like they're 152 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: just like talking about ship, Like, dude, I'm about to 153 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: pass out. And so it was super scary and like 154 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: we were in the hospital for eight eight days just 155 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of medical issues and we both 156 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,239 Speaker 1: felt similarly like we were just like this felt disconnected 157 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: from baby, and it did not we didn't have that 158 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: like rush of endorphins that people get sometimes. And it 159 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: was really hard, dude. Like, so we were in the hospital. 160 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: That was the day that my master's program started. So 161 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: I started grad school like in the hospital. My first 162 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: classes I took like in the hospital. So it's so stressful, 163 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's this is really hard. So the reason 164 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: that I texted that is because I mean it's an exaggeration, 165 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: but I have been It's been really hard for me 166 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: to bond with him because of my own just like avoidance, 167 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: my own fear, a lot of like resistance to joy. 168 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: I think like that part of me that is still 169 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: depressed still, I still have that like you know, that 170 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: depressed part that comes up it's like, you know, it's 171 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: just part of my experience. I think that part of 172 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: me is like don't love that baby. You don't want 173 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: to love that baby, you know, Like it's just like 174 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: that resistance to joy and love. So that's just what 175 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: I've been working with the past year and a half 176 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: is like just practicing letting go of the ideas that 177 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: I want my life. You know, I want to be 178 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: able to do whatever I want, that type of thing, 179 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm embracing it and honestly, like 180 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I texted you like a thousand times 181 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: once I realized that I could try to actually talk 182 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: to you, and genuinely in the past two months has 183 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: gotten like way better. I don't know if it's like 184 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: a shift within me, oh dude. And I've been doing 185 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: a lot of therapy about it. So there's another example 186 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: of how it's helped. Like I've been able to feel 187 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: less hopeless, feel a lot more hope, and really like 188 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: notice those moments of joy with him, or he's doing 189 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: something funny or I allow myself to like laugh and 190 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: it's like we're connected. Last Saturday was actually or not 191 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: last Saturday, like maybe four Saturdays ago was one of 192 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: the first days where we were together all day and 193 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: I just vibed like we just hung out connected. I 194 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: didn't feel super self centered, like I didn't have all 195 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: these like I'm want to do whatever I want thoughts. 196 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: It was just like all right, when we wear this baby, 197 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: like this is the grind and like a practice. 198 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: Oh fuck, dude. 199 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: Yesterday We're at the park. It was fun. He and 200 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: I just walked around. We were a little hike. He's 201 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: twenty months now, and I'm really making an effort to 202 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: bond more with him. I have this like kind of 203 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: like fire under my ass of like oh shit, Like 204 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: I want him to like me, Like I need to 205 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: be there for him. He needs me. I can't just 206 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: have this like resistance, this aversion to loving him. Oh dude, 207 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: it's been so hard. 208 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: But so you say it's been Uh it's gotten better 209 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: in the past two months. 210 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a lot better. 211 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: How has it gotten better in what ways has it 212 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: gotten better? And how did you achieve those ways? 213 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: So I think I did a lot of This is 214 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: a good example. So the birth was super traumatic for me. 215 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: I was very afraid and I just was in this 216 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: like hypervision in state and then went immediately into being 217 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: in grad school and full time stay at home dad. 218 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: So I never had a chance to really like process 219 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: the trauma of the birth, and so I did end 220 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: up going back to therapy. So like about probably like 221 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: five months ago, I started going to the perinatal therapist 222 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: who does like trauma work for like births and shit, 223 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: and I think that really really helped. So like I 224 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: didn't have the like. 225 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 5: The physical reaction of the PTSD from the berth whenever 226 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 5: I thought about it, like the overwhelmed, Like I was 227 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 5: able to let that go to process it. 228 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: So it was more more present, I meant, more able 229 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: to be present with like the truth of what's happening 230 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: just in the present moment. So what it looks like 231 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: is just me being able to experience both joy and 232 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: like extreme discomfort very fluidly and flexibly throughout the day. 233 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: It's like one moment he's super happy, I'm super happy 234 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: and we're hanging out. Next moment, he's fucking freaking out 235 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: because he wants oatmeal and we have to go and 236 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: I get super overstimulated, and but it's like, Okay, I 237 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: can hold both of those things now, Like it's Okay, 238 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: it's okay for me to have to feel this unpleasantness 239 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: because I know that it's worth it. That's huge for me, 240 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: like being able to think like it's worth it because 241 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: I know we're gonna connect later and that would be special. 242 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: Have you always felt a sort of, like I guess, 243 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: aversion to happiness. 244 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, I don't know what is up, dude, 245 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: I got a fucking dude. Oh my god. Yeah, you 246 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: should see the fucking drawings that I drew as a kid, Like, 247 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: as a little kid, I drew the most like demented, 248 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: fucking creepy drawings as a little kid. And yeah, like 249 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: I started, I had my first like real suicidal thoughts 250 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: in sixth grade. Like I just there was just this 251 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: part of me that hated life. It was just really overwhelmed, 252 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: afraid of feeling joy, like you know, just in that 253 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: in that space. So that's kind of always been. 254 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: There, hmm. 255 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: And so this is a process of you like accepting 256 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: that you should be able to feel happiness, and not 257 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: only that, but you're also it's not just for you, 258 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: you know, of course, it's not just for you. It's 259 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: for the well being of of you know, another person, 260 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: that you're in charge of as well. 261 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 262 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So has your ability to start, so you say, 263 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: in the past two months has gotten better. So has 264 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: your ability to start feeling joy interacting with your child 265 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: leaked out to your ability? 266 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: Like? 267 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: Has it has it increased your ability to start feeling 268 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: joy in other realms of your life as well? 269 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 5: Hmm? 270 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think not necessarily, because man, today I can 271 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: feel some joy. I can feel some joy about stuff 272 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: like and I think, yeah, man, like I love I 273 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: love life now, even though there's always going to be 274 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: that darkness, Like I don't become that darkness anymore. I 275 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: just been able to be with it. You can come 276 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: along for the ride. But that's why I like so 277 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: the whole like not being able to feel joy with 278 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: him has been so disturbing because I feel like I've 279 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: historically been able to like overcome challenges like mental health 280 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: challenges and shit like that. This has been a real doozy, 281 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: and it's probably gonna be a doozy for the next 282 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: like ideally, like, I don't know however many years I'll 283 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: be alive, but I'll probably hopefully be a parent for 284 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: that amount of time. 285 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: So you've accepted that, say, this is an interesting thing, 286 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: and I'll get into it, but you've accepted that this 287 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: is going to be a doozy for the rest of 288 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: the time that you are alive. 289 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: Ye. 290 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that's a hard thing to accept. 291 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: That's a hard thing to accept because I've been thinking 292 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: about this, Like I, dude, one, I've been thinking about 293 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: this a lot. I'm pretty much your age, and uh, 294 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: you know, I often really do feel like I'm like 295 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: depressed and anxious all the time in carrying a rock. 296 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: And I saw this comment on Reddit. I might have 297 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: talked about this on the podcast, all right, I've just 298 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: been talking about it to my friends. Like I saw 299 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 2: this comment on Reddit that said something like people think 300 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: that when they turn thirty, there's gonna be this crazy 301 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 2: magical thing, or they're gonna explode, or they're gonna feel different, 302 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: and the truth is it just keeps going. And I 303 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: read that and I was like, oh no, I find 304 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: such great solace every day and imagining like a fucking 305 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: version of the future where I'm not as anxious, and 306 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, all these problems are kind of gone, 307 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: and what if it just never happens, and what if 308 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm just like dealing with shit. This is why I'm 309 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: afraid of getting older, because I'm like, oh, what if 310 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm just dealing with shit forever? You know. I talk 311 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: to people on the podcast and I read on Reddit 312 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: and all this stuff of like people and they're like, 313 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: you know, thirties and forties and fifties, we're going through 314 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: these problems. And I'm like sometimes I'm just like, god, damn, man, 315 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: this sounds exhausting, just problems like forever. You know. Do 316 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: you do you ever feel that way? 317 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: Hmmm? 318 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, how I'm just gonna how 319 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: are you not tired? 320 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 321 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: I have felt that way. I don't feel that way 322 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: very much anymore. 323 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 324 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: I get it, though, Like I truly relate. I truly 325 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: relate to that, and I hear it a lot. Actually, 326 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: one of my friends is I don't go ahead. Yeah, 327 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: one of my friends is like, hell of suicidal right now, 328 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: And similarly, like just feels like this is going to 329 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: be this way forever. And I don't know. I mean, 330 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: I think if you have a lot of that self 331 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: awareness of like noticing whenever your mind is going to 332 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: the like, well maybe one day I won't feel this way. 333 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: But it's like a that's a good indicator of looking 334 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: at Okay, what's happening right now? And you know in 335 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: this moment that is leading to this sense of dissatisfaction. 336 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: What is it? Is it that longing that is causing 337 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: this dissatisfaction? Is it a physical thing? Do I need 338 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: to eat? Is it a lack of connection? Do I 339 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: need to be with a friend? Am I burnt out? 340 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: Do I need to change what I'm doing? It's like 341 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: all comes to what is happening in the present moment 342 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: that needs tending to, Like how can I be kind 343 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: to myself or be kind to another person? As a response, 344 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: because like, yeah, dude, we're never like the future. I mean, 345 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe in like a fucking quantum physics 346 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: sense it exists, but right now it's like it doesn't exist. 347 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: And usually whenever we're thinking about the future where maybe 348 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: this is obvious, but we're there's something happening right now 349 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: that we don't like or we're afraid of, or we're 350 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: like you know, holding on to but it's already going away. 351 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: And the goodness is it's like we can just let 352 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: go and the practice and like you know, what can 353 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: become kind of fun is like figuring out how can 354 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: I let go right now in a way that will 355 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: give me some freedom. But it's not easy. It's dude, 356 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: it's not easy. 357 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 2: Well, is there anything fun going on with you? 358 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 4: Hell? 359 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean, let's sorry. 360 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: About that before we go. Let's talk about some fun stuff. 361 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: I mean, no, this was fun. This was good. This 362 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: was this was this was good. This was good. I mean, 363 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that your h It sounds from 364 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: the way you're talking to me, that these struggles are 365 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: are on a positive upward trajectory towards being dealt with 366 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: and and and handled you know, by you in a 367 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: way that makes your life better. I'm happy to hear that. 368 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: How does your wife feel about all that stuff you 369 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: talked to her about all this? 370 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely do. She knows, she knows the struggle, 371 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: and she's supportive, man, Like, she's just patient and wonderful 372 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: and she knows me, is really patient with me. But 373 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: I've definitely tried to not let it leak out too 374 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: much because it's like sucks for her to be with 375 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: somebody that's like me. It is so hard all the time. 376 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: You know, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's the thing that's when 377 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: you're dealing with a partner, is you got to like, 378 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: you know, you want somebody who you can lean on emotionally, 379 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: but also you gotta you know, kind of step at 380 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: the fuck up so that she's not dealing with that 381 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: all the time. Right, Yeah, tell me about those fun things. 382 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: Man. It's warm now, so I feel just more hopeful. 383 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: In general, it's fun to be outside. I love doing 384 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: muay thai, like I love boxing, MMA and shit like that. 385 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: So I've been doing that time. That's fun beta I 386 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: get into Yeah. 387 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: Do you recommend do you recommend that? Oh? 388 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: Dude, it's the best muay thai, especially. 389 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: Because it's like it's the perfect mix of like there's 390 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: a lot of. 391 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: Humility to it as it's very like you know, I 392 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: don't know, there's not a lot of like Mato Bros. 393 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: And the like can you get fucked up doing it? 394 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: I like, I I want to do it. I want 395 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: to do more like physical hobbies that will get you 396 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: in better shape. But I just don't want to get 397 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: like my nose broken. 398 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: No, dude, that's a great thing about muy thai is 399 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 4: like Okay, so I've gone to boxing gyms. 400 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: I've gone to MMA gym where you just get the 401 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: absolute shit beaten on you. 402 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 4: It sucks. 403 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm like, I don't want to do that. 404 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that, right, you don't. 405 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: It's not that. It's not like that, Like you can 406 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: go to beginner classes and just learn the techniques and 407 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: do do it. You're just doing it with a partner 408 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: who's holding the pads. Like you're not hitting each other 409 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: in the face, and the sparring is super light. It's like, 410 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, I s far every week and I don't 411 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: get injured, Like I'll have bruises and ship, but I 412 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: never leave being like, yeah I have a concussion or 413 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: I just broke my nose. It's very light. 414 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: Now, might do that? Howm I do that? All right? 415 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: You're doing moy Thai? What else is going on? What 416 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: if I do? What if I get into moy Thai 417 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: and I just go ultra fucking Joe Rogan mode and 418 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: like I'm only talking about martial arts on the podcast 419 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: forever Now, I would be supportive, Okay, are you doing 420 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: martial arts? Anything else fun going on? 421 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: Definitely being able to spend time with my wife, just 422 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: hang out with her. Work is fun, work is exciting, bicycling, 423 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: going cycling, playing video games. Love playing video games. 424 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Video games have been to such a 425 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: there's such a great solace, especially like if you have anxiety, 426 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: you know, because video games have such a they're very 427 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: clearly defined, you know, right clear, they have clear life 428 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: is the opposite of a video game. It is it 429 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: is there's no clear objectives, you know. So video games 430 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: are great for kind of like let's exist in the 431 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: universe where everything makes sense for a second. 432 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Well it's actually interesting. Like so I'm 433 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: a huge believer in yeah, like the power of gaming 434 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: and community, and I'm so I've been trying to start 435 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: this group therapy saying for gamers, like you know, probably 436 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: people like you and me that have been gaming for 437 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: a long time, and like, I don't know, a lot 438 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: of my best friends are people that I just hang 439 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: out with on discord. So I've been trying to get 440 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: it going, but it's been hard to find people. I 441 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: don't know, this is hard to get group going. But 442 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: if anybody lives in Timothy and Once to do group 443 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: therapy for gamers, I'm your guy. 444 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: You know healthy gamer gig right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 445 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: the goat. 446 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I like a lot of stuff. 447 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: Samon. You said your name was yeah, Samon, this was 448 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: a good talk man. You're you're You're respectable. You're a 449 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: respectable guy. It's funny talking to a guy like you 450 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: who's pretty much my age because you know, I don't know, 451 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm sixteen and I'm talking to you 452 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: and you're you're like a real uh adult. I'm inspired 453 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: by by your adultness. I'm going to try to incorporate 454 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: some of that into my life as well. 455 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Well. I appreciate it. And can I say something to you? 456 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course did. 457 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: You would be an excellent therapist. And it's not that hard. 458 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: I've heard you say, like we have to go to 459 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: school for a million years. It's not that hard, you know. 460 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: I sincerely I appreciate you saying that. I have to 461 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 2: tell you something. 462 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: Okay. 463 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever in a million 464 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: years become a real therapist. I have no desire to 465 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: ever do that. I have no desire to ever do that. 466 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: I like playing pretend therapist on the internet is fun. 467 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: I like it. I have no desire to I'm never 468 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: I am. I Am never going back to school ever 469 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: again in my entire life for anything. I have nightmares, dude, 470 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 2: where like I'll wake up, I'll like be dreaming that 471 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: I forgot to do my fucking homework, and then I 472 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: wake up and I'm like, oh, I never have to 473 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: do anything ever again. You know, I have thought, No, 474 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: I still wouldn't even do. I Like, in my head, 475 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, what if I became a life coach? And 476 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a terrible that's terrible. It's so funny 477 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm sitting around in my I'm a 478 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: sleep I'm like laying in bed on a sheetless mattress 479 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: with fucking Dorito's all over my floor, and I'm like, 480 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: I should be a life coach. No, I'm never gonna 481 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: do either of those two things. But I appreciate you 482 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: saying that I do. And I'm glad that you're a 483 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: real therapist and and you sound like a very smart guy, 484 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: and I'm glad that you're that you're doing it because 485 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: it's hard, man, it sounds hard. It just would be 486 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: too it would be too serious. You know, Like I 487 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: can do whatever I want on this little little podcast, 488 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: and I don't, you know, I don't I think having 489 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: like a whole serious thing and being a although actually 490 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: i'll say this. I'll say this, I would become a 491 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: real therapist because it would be really funny, like to 492 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: post a picture and it's like the therapy gecko became 493 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: a real therapist. That would be very like I would 494 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: do it as a bit. 495 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hey, life is a bit. 496 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: Life kind of is a bit. But thanks for the 497 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: kind words, Samon. Good luck to you, good luck to 498 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: your family. Is there anything else that you want to 499 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: say to the people of the computer before we go? 500 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: You should go get an exorcism in Mexico? 501 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you have a Do you have a 502 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: thirty second long version of that story? 503 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? 504 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 2: All right, I'm counting. 505 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: Okay. I went to Mexico on a meditation retreat. I 506 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: went to this shaman off the beaten path that was 507 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: not a part of the retreat. Did not expect this, 508 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: but I had a full on exorcism and like the 509 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: real everything, like everything you would think, and afterwards I 510 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: was able to admit that I want to live and 511 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: I want to be happy, and since then I haven't 512 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: been suicidal, So whatever, was in me that wanted me 513 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: to die. I was so afraid of life that wanted 514 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: me to die. It's it's out of me. 515 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: That's pretty ChIL Where'd you get that? Where? Where in Mexico? 516 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: Is this. 517 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: Teo tebloatan? I'm really sorry for anyone that knows how 518 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: to fucking not be an idiot American that doesn't speak Spanish. Yeah? 519 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: Is that near Mexico City? 520 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: Close? 521 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a couple of hour drive. 522 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: Interesting. What did you think any drugs or just you 523 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: just like, you know stuff. 524 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: Free balling it. No drugs. I haven't touched the drug 525 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: you know. I don't have any like delusions, paranoid delusions 526 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: anything like that. Like it was just a I don't know, man, 527 00:31:54,800 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: it was weird. Did not expect it and like I 528 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: was with you know, some friends, and they could hear 529 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: me like screaming and like they heard it all it. 530 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: Did you? 531 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: Uh? 532 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: Would you recommend other people do it? 533 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: I would recommend Mmm. I don't know, dude, I don't know. 534 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: I kind of want to try this now. I'm down. 535 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm at a point where now where I'm like, let 536 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: me let's try some ship. Actually I'm I'm I'm I'm 537 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: full of shit. I am still scared to do stuff. 538 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: But maybe I will. Maybe I'll do exorcism. We're all 539 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: just looking for answers. Someone fell into my lap. 540 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: If it falls into your lap, go for it. But 541 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you should go seek that experience. 542 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for calling, Simon, And you know, I'll uh, I'll 543 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: see you. I'll see you in the afterlife. 544 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: Maybe that sounds good man, Well chill, thank you, you 545 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: do good stuff. 546 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: Thanks man. I'm trying you too. Take care of brother. 547 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: Bye bye. 548 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 2: An exorcism in Mexico? I do that is you know. 549 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: I We're all I'm looking for a short cut, right 550 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: because I was saying to Sam and I'm like, where 551 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 2: do I what am I gonna be able to just 552 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: like how do I take all this anxiety and just 553 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: like live like a normal person, you know? And uh, 554 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: sometimes I hear stuff like that and I'm like, should 555 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 2: I go to a fucking shaman in Mexico and get 556 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: an exorcism? And it turns out all it turns out 557 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: what I really need to do is like you know, 558 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: like stop smoking weed, right, like you could like everything 559 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: that you think you're gonna get from getting an exorcism 560 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: from a shaman in Mexico. You could probably just do 561 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 2: in your house. But I'm fine. Maybe I'm fucking wrong. 562 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: What do I know? I don't know shit about anything. 563 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, maybe I need to go to the shaman. 564 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: Maybe I need to clean my room. Maybe both? Why 565 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: not both? Why not clean your room and go to 566 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: the shaman? Life's crazy? Hello? Hello, who is this? 567 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 3: This is Jimmy. 568 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: How can I get you today? Jimmy? What's going on? 569 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: What would you like to talk about? 570 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 3: So? I was hoping that I could get a little 571 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 3: bit of advice maybe on a situation that I was in. 572 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: Tell me. 573 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 3: So I went, you know, there is this very nice 574 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 3: person who I've been talking to, beautiful human being and 575 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 3: everything like that, and I was hoping that I could 576 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: maybe get a little bit of guidance as to where 577 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 3: I should take my next step and where I should 578 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 3: go next. 579 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: Ahead. 580 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: We've been chatting very very friendly human being and everything 581 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: like that. And we had a nice little, uh, we 582 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 3: had a nice little interaction at the Rainforest Cafe where 583 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: we actually we had a nice little photo opportunity in 584 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 3: front of the endangered exhibit that they have there. It 585 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: was very nice. I got to watch the animatronic monkeys 586 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: waving at me. It made me very happy. 587 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: Wait, so what you, Jimmy, give me the full spectus 588 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: scope here. You know what, So you met a woman 589 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 2: at the Rainforest Cafe. 590 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 3: Oh, I had known her beforehand, and we ended up 591 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 3: meeting at the Rainforest Cafe. 592 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 2: As it all right? You ended up meeting at the 593 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: Rainforest Because does that mean you asked her on a 594 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 2: date to the Rainforest Cafe or you you went to 595 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 2: the Rainforest Cafe alone? You saw her at the Rainforest 596 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: Cafe alone, and then you guys met. 597 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 3: No, this this was a planned interaction. 598 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: Okay. 599 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 3: I don't know if I would necessarily say that it 600 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: was a date, though I would say it was more 601 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: of a planned interaction. 602 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: If you're under why, Jimmy, why do you live? Why 603 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: do you live? Life? In such cryptic terms, I'm not. 604 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 3: Trying to be cryptic. I'm just saying I don't think you. 605 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: I don't think that maybe necessarily I came across with 606 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 3: the way that I needed to convey that met. You 607 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, I don't think if. 608 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: You're Jimmy, if you talk Jimmy, Jimmy, if you talk 609 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: to this woman any way like you talk to me 610 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: right now. The cryptic, the the failure of communication, of 611 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: the nature of the meeting is one hundred percent on you. 612 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 3: You know what. I think that you might be right there, 613 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 3: because I think maybe I was a little bit too 614 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 3: maybe because. 615 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 2: The way you didn't even you say, I met this 616 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: human being and we had an interaction at rainforest cafe. 617 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: What does that fucking mean? 618 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I think you could. 619 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 2: Have no no, no, no, no, no, no no no no. 620 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: Afterwards, you could have here's what you. 621 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: Here's what you could have. You could have sapt I 622 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: met a woman and I asked her on a date 623 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 2: to the Rainforest Cafe, and we went together to the 624 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: Rainforest Cafe. Saying we had an interaction at the rainforest Cafe. 625 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: That could mean a thousand different things. 626 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair, that's fair. 627 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Am I being reasonable right now? 628 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 5: No? 629 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 3: No, no, I think you're actually you're putting things in a 630 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 3: way that I hadn't necessarily thought about them before. Okay, 631 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 3: because I think that may have been one of my issues, 632 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 3: is that I was coming off a bit See, my 633 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 3: thing is that I don't want to come off a 634 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: bit too strong. You know what I'm saying. I'm always 635 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 3: I'm always a little bit too nervous to be like 636 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 3: a little bit too uh to just like, hey, yo, 637 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: what's you doing? What you what's you upty right now? 638 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 3: And I just didn't want to come off with that 639 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: type of vibe. I wanted to make it very friendly, 640 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 3: very cordial, very still type time. 641 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 2: All right, Hey, I'm sorry. You know what, Jimmy, we 642 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: got off on the wrong foot here. So let's start 643 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 2: with this. How did you meet this woman? Initially? 644 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 3: Uh so, we both are in the same uh F 645 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 3: one historical card collecting community. Believe it or not. 646 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 2: Off to a phenomenal start. 647 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we both collect a rare vintage Nini F 648 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 3: one cards of people like one men, Will Fangio, Aria 649 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 3: and Saracen, Senna, Michael Schumacher, everything like. 650 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 2: Thatcher Michael, She oh, absolutely, I got amazing. That's amazing. 651 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: I don't know who that is, but that's cool. What 652 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: all right? So you met her at this F one 653 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: card collecting thing and this is an in person. 654 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 3: Group, uh so, this is this is an online thing. 655 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 3: We just kind of noticed that we both had a 656 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 3: very similar collection, and we both we both you know, 657 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 3: it's not too often that you find, first of all, 658 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 3: even Americans that like f one at all. It's a 659 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 3: very rare thing. So when I found a woman, I 660 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 3: was like, let's just make a casual conversation here. But 661 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 3: that's the thing is, like she's in one card collecting community. 662 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: There aren't a lot of those. I'm gonna be completely 663 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 3: honest with you, a whole lot. 664 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 2: Of Okay, so you so, so you met her, you 665 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 2: meet here on discord, and she like, does she live 666 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 2: in the same vicinity as you? 667 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: She lives within like a six hour drive, I would say, all. 668 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 2: Right, and so you met up at the Well, how 669 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 2: did you phrase this? Do you were you like, let's 670 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: hang out at the rainforest Cafe. 671 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: Well, it was kind of a we were all at 672 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 3: the same spot at the same time type deal. So 673 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 3: it kind of worked out like that. 674 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: Was this just you and her or you went with 675 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 2: a group of people? Yea, So say, what did you say? 676 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 3: It was just it was just me and her, just the. 677 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 2: Two of us, all right, Okay. 678 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 3: It was kind of one of those like our past 679 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 3: we're kind of crossing at the same time. She was 680 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 3: going this way, I was kind of going that way. 681 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 3: And we were like, hey, look at how this is 682 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 3: matched up? Why the situation? 683 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: I feel like, I'm all right, you're at Rainforest Cafe 684 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 2: with this woman, and are you sent are you sensing 685 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 2: that she might like you? Is this? What? What? What's up? 686 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 3: I think it was hard to tell because I mean 687 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 3: I could definitely get the sense that she didn't not 688 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, uh, Like, there was 689 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 3: definitely it was definitely clear that like, this person did 690 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 3: not hate my vibe, uh huh. But I also couldn't 691 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 3: tell if they were just like heyo, this is a 692 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 3: cool person, or like, ayo, I'm trying to like see 693 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 3: what this person looks like shirtless, you know what I mean? 694 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 2: Uh huh. Yeah. It's hard. It is hard. It's you 695 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 2: know what's is. It's hard because no I understand that. 696 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 2: I understand, like you know that in your brain, you're like, ah, 697 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 2: she's the only woman in an all male dominated thing. 698 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 2: She probably gets hit on all the time. But like 699 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 2: what if she actually does like me? But also I 700 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: don't want to, you know, be just another fucking guy 701 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: hitting on her. If if I do. I understand the 702 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 2: back of the the the back and forth of the 703 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: brain in this situation. 704 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 705 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 2: Now, as as far as what to do about it, 706 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to. I want to say 707 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 2: to just be honest and be like, you know, hey, 708 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 2: I like you. It's to we can still be friends, 709 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 2: you know, even if you if you don't like me 710 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: like that, it's totally cool. But I just thought I would. 711 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 2: I'd be honest, but I'd put it out there, you know. 712 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 713 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 2: Is there anything wrong with that? 714 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 3: Dude? That's what I'm thinking of doing too, because like 715 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 3: I want to shoot the shot. I'm very much in 716 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 3: shooting your shot, but also like I do not want 717 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 3: to make things weird afterwards. But that would be the 718 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because I know I can 719 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 3: be like cool about it and I'll just be like whatever, 720 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: it's cool. It's like if it don't land. But I'm 721 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 3: just saying I don't want to be weird about it, 722 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Because I know that there's 723 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 3: a whole lot of dudes out there in the F 724 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 3: one card collecting community. They got cooler cards than me, 725 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 3: and they can shoot their shot at any time. So 726 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 3: I'm just saying I want to make sure that, like 727 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 3: I kind of protect myself here, but I also understand that, like, 728 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of other dudes who are trying 729 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 3: to do the same thing. And I'm not trying to 730 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 3: look like a whole you know, I'm not like trying 731 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 3: to look like the other I'm not trying to look 732 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 3: like every other dude. You know what I'm saying. 733 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 2: You're afraid that some guy with you know, even cooler 734 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: F one cards will swoop in. I know, Yeah, that's 735 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: so funny. 736 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 3: Even cooler ones. 737 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 2: I think, you know what I you know, I I 738 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 2: don't know. My gut feeling is telling me that, you know, 739 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 2: there's a way to go about this that uh is like, hey, 740 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 2: throwing this vibe out here. If if if if there's 741 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 2: no interest, totally fine, no worries. We can stay. We're 742 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 2: not We're not gonna make it weird. We can still 743 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 2: be friends, we can still hang out in the community. 744 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 2: It's not gonna be a whole fucking thing, you know. 745 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,320 Speaker 2: It's chill. 746 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, go for it. You know, I think I think 747 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 3: I might do that. I do it right after I 748 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 3: hang up with you here today, and then I'll let 749 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 3: you know how it goes. 750 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Why is ever 751 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 2: I see f one all of it. I'm not It's racing, right, yeah, yeah, you. 752 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 3: Know like the little cars they go room room. 753 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah I know that. 754 00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. You ever been to a race before? 755 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 2: No, it sounds horribly boring. 756 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 3: Nah, it's awesome, my friend. I will tell you what. 757 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 3: You ever get the chance in one of your travels 758 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 3: to just come across an auto race just maybe sneak 759 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 3: in there for a second. They might even let you 760 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:14,919 Speaker 3: into the car. 761 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,240 Speaker 2: No, I don't want I don't. I don't like doing 762 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 2: Like I'm not interested in thrills, you know what I mean? Like, 763 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 2: I don't. I have no interest in you know, skydiving 764 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 2: or race car driving or bungee jumping. I'm not a 765 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 2: big thrill guy. I don't want to. You know, life 766 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 2: is too precious. 767 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 3: I understand. I understand. Sometimes you gotta live a little 768 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 3: bit on the edge. You know that. Sometimes That's how 769 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 3: I find the greatest pleasures in life, is when you 770 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 3: just get a little bit too close to that danger 771 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 3: and then you say, okay, here we go baby. 772 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 2: So then I say to you, Jimmy, live a little 773 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 2: bit on the edge and ask this girl out and 774 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 2: be don't just use real words. Don't say I would 775 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 2: like to have an interaction with you. 776 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 3: You know you don't want to just speak in like 777 00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 3: a poem like I did earlier. 778 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 2: No, don't ever do that to anyone ever again. 779 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 3: All right, I will only use at the most three hikups. 780 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 3: I promised. 781 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: What did you get at Rainforest Cafe? I'm curious? Did 782 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 2: you get the volcano where they bring it out and 783 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 2: they yell volcano? 784 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 3: No, I didn't get the volcano. I got this like 785 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 3: chicken gumbo thing. I don't know why I made it. 786 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 3: It was a bad decision, underwhelming to say the least. 787 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 2: Dude, I haven't been the Rainforest cap I'm gonna I'm 788 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 2: gonna go. I haven't been to Rainforest Cafe since being 789 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 2: an adult that could actually pay for the meal himself. 790 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,439 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna get some shit. 791 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 3: Dude. It's uh, it's an experience. I'm gonna recommend you know, 792 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 3: if you can, If you can go to one, don't. 793 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 3: Maybe So I went to the one in the Atlantic 794 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 3: City like a couple of weeks ago, and uh, I 795 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,439 Speaker 3: gotta admit, the whole boardwalk just looks awful right now. 796 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 3: So maybe don't go to that one. That one's not 797 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 3: the best. 798 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not gonna show up in the get Go 799 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 2: sit or else people will think I work there and 800 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 2: ask me where the bathroom is. Uh, take care of Jimmy. 801 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 2: God bless you and good luck. 802 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 3: Ye thank you for the call. I appreciate it. I 803 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 3: have a great rest of your night. 804 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 2: Now I'm hungry for Rainforest Cafe. 805 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 3: Never be Ken goes on the line taking your phone 806 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 3: calls every night. 807 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 2: Never Beacon goes doing his hide. 808 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 3: He's teaching you a loud in the month of your life, 809 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 3: but he's not really an expert.