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Speaker 1: We're right back here in Orchard Park. Gonna afternoon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to do our show today, a day off, player's day off,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our little camp. We call it the Camp

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Speaker 1: one Buffalo Studio to do today's show from now until

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Speaker 1: three pm. Thanks very much for joining us. Good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Everybody got a good show planned after a good weekend.

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Speaker 1: Steve got a good weekend, right, You spent a lot

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Speaker 1: would think, Wow, that guy has an idea of what

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Speaker 1: he's looking at. And then somebody I don't even know

427
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Speaker 1: this guy and it's just a guy who chimed in

428
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Speaker 1: with some funky Twitter name, right, what's he thinking? Obviously

429
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 1: these people have seen these guys and go to practice

430
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Speaker 1: or whatever. How do you digest all that? Well? The

431
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Speaker 1: one thing, and I guess this comes with some experience,

432
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Speaker 1: is look, I don't read them all because you can't. Yeah,

433
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Speaker 1: you can't. There's possible. I've learned over the years not

434
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Speaker 1: to discount anybody's opinions. I mean not to say, well,

435
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Speaker 1: that guy is full of baloney. He didn't know what

436
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: he's talking about. Because some people see different things. There's

437
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Speaker 1: ninety one players out there. You can't see everything, so

438
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Speaker 1: I try to I assume, Look, everybody, everybody media wise,

439
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: or any commentator or any fan has a right to

440
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Speaker 1: be there and the right they have their own opinions.

441
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Speaker 1: And I'm good with that. But it helps if there's

442
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Speaker 1: someone I know and trust, Adam Captain will get his

443
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Speaker 1: opinions coming up here one o'clock today, someone's been around

444
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: the league for a while. That helps, And let's be honest,

445
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: it helps if if they agree with what I think

446
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: or what I see, you know what I mean. I'll

447
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: read stuff and say well, no that's not it, or

448
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: here's stuff and say no, that's not what's going on.

449
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Speaker 1: That's not what I saw, that's not what they were doing,

450
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: and immediately and again it's it's you know, it's called

451
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Speaker 1: it's basically trying to find people who agree with you.

452
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Speaker 1: Is some of it is, here's what I read it

453
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Speaker 1: all and particularly on social media on Twitter is the

454
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: easiest thing ever because you know people and you get

455
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Speaker 1: tagged and stuff, and you get the ones I take seriously,

456
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: and I take everything seriously. If it's offered in wealth,

457
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Speaker 1: you know, if it's communicative, I don't you know the

458
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Speaker 1: snark I get through, you know, like that I dot

459
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Speaker 1: he can't do it. He's you know, if they if

460
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Speaker 1: it's an assaulting or if it's it's delivered in a

461
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Speaker 1: sarcastic way. Sometimes I'll discount that. But everything that's offered

462
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Speaker 1: as a genuine observation and a genuine opinion, I take

463
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Speaker 1: it seriously because I know I've like everything. We always

464
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Speaker 1: get asked because we're supposed to be experts about what

465
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Speaker 1: you think here and what you think there. And of

466
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Speaker 1: course I'm I'm as optimistic in jade as everybody, because

467
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Speaker 1: I got my own experiences that give me, you know,

468
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Speaker 1: some sort of you know, finger quote insight as to

469
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Speaker 1: what these guys go through. But man, I've been wrong

470
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Speaker 1: more way more than I've been right, And so I

471
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Speaker 1: don't discount anybody, even you know, some grandma behind the

472
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Speaker 1: fence at training camp. If she's looking at me and

473
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Speaker 1: she's I think, ay, I listen, you know, because they

474
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Speaker 1: all see something that I haven't seen. You know, they're

475
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Speaker 1: all watching more practice or different part in Me and

476
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: I stand beside each other and we're watching the same drills,

477
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Speaker 1: and we always have different opinions, we always have different observations.

478
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Speaker 1: So I always take it all really seriously. And it

479
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: sounds crazy because you're right, there's forty thousand opinions on

480
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Speaker 1: what these players are gonna do. Cole Beasley yesterday had

481
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Speaker 1: a great day, so there's a lot of stuff floating

482
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: around about him. John Brown, you don't hear about it.

483
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Speaker 1: We haven't heard from Robert Foster yet this training camp,

484
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Speaker 1: so people are starting to write him off as though

485
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: who I was a one hit wonder and he might

486
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Speaker 1: be one of the surprise cuts in camp. I don't know,

487
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Speaker 1: but I tell you this. I so I My opinion

488
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Speaker 1: about these players assessments is ongoing, and I ever finished

489
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Speaker 1: with it. You know what I mean. I go all

490
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Speaker 1: the way into training camp. You're right, you know I can.

491
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Speaker 1: And that's why everything else is not. When you when

492
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Speaker 1: do you have your mind made up? It's when do

493
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Speaker 1: you start taking seriously people's assessment. I take it seriously.

494
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: Like three a month ago, when there were no tas, Yeah,

495
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: I was you're not right there, and we were standing

496
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: there with our arms for silent watch, just concentrating on

497
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Speaker 1: on an O line drill and no pads. Way like

498
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: we're gonna get something we have there's no I mean,

499
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: we have more access than anybody else. And I still

500
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: don't have any idea who's gonna be on the offense.

501
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: And that's why this question comes up today too, about

502
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: there's only four practices. The first two were no pads,

503
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: no pads. The first two of the last two have pads.

504
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: They're practicing against each other. So if the offense makes

505
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Speaker 1: a play, do you think, well, the defense is in trouble.

506
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Speaker 1: If the defense, you know, makes a pick. I mean

507
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Speaker 1: there was a pick yesterday I missed I had it

508
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Speaker 1: here somewhere pick yesterday when Kevin Johnson wasn't here. Yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: I don't know who. I can't remember. But I mean immediately, um,

510
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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh, that's a great play. On the

511
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: other hand, on the offensive side of the ball, it's

512
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: a pick. You don't want that. So I'll tell you what,

513
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: when you get to Carolina, when you practice with the

514
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: Panthers in a couple of weeks, things will look a

515
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Speaker 1: little bit different. It means something to take a side,

516
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Speaker 1: right yeah, you're gonna pick it off. Tdavious White picked

517
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Speaker 1: off Josh pass over the middle intended for John Brown,

518
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: and Davis was great on the play. I mean it

519
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: was a great play by a guy who's should be

520
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: one of the build bills better players. So how do

521
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Speaker 1: you evaluate that? How do you make that player assessment? Yeah,

522
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, you give credit to worthy credit belongs and

523
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Speaker 1: you discount maybe what the quarterback did at any rate,

524
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: or asking you four practices and a break in the

525
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: action today at training camp? When do you start taking

526
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Speaker 1: player assessment seriously? Because there are a lot of opinions

527
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of observations coming out of there. I've

528
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: got a lot for you coming and I don't see everything.

529
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 1: I see what I see and try to pick up

530
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Speaker 1: what I can on the rest. Think about this, Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: and this is why you know, I didn't get into

532
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Speaker 1: coaching for a ton of reasons. But let me give

533
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Speaker 1: it an insight as to what I would have been

534
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: if I had I been a coach. Think about this.

535
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: We're sitting here and you and I talk about this

536
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: three hours a day every day, and yeah, we kind

537
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: of we never get tired of it. I mean, there's

538
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: always new guys to talk about if I was a coach,

539
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: this particular guy like Sean McDermott, who's responsible for the

540
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: overarching view of the team. Can you imagine the time

541
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: you would take watching the film, Because they film every drill,

542
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: every play, every player, every rep. You would feel obligated

543
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: to go into a room and turn the film on

544
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: and watch every single player take every single rep in

545
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: every single practice, every single day you would want and

546
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: only then would you feel like you have seen what

547
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: you enough of what you want to see, and you

548
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: would even be asking for more. These guys do nothing

549
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: but evaluate all day, every day, and then they have

550
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Speaker 1: the added advantage the position coaches, particularly of going into

551
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Speaker 1: a room it's just, you know, it's just the receiver's coach,

552
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: it's just whoever it's you know, Bob Babbage is Bobby

553
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: Babbage and the safeties and those guys. They're sitting in

554
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Speaker 1: the room and he talks to a man to man,

555
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: said what we think, here's the call, here's what I

556
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: want you to do. That's a good you know, good

557
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: job by you, and see and then have him talk

558
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: back to you like, yeah, I thought I was thinking

559
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: this or I was doing this, but I saw him

560
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: do this. You know, you get an intimate knowledge of

561
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: the player's mindset, of what he did on the play,

562
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: of what you have coached him before that time, and

563
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: now what you're gonna do coaching him forward. You'll have

564
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: an intimate knowledge. It takes forever to do that with

565
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: ninety guys. Yeah, think about it that you think about

566
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: twenty hour days. That ain't enough. You're right, you're right.

567
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: It is exhausting. By the way, that's what they do

568
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: off day today for players and coaches. Oh, man, dawn

569
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: till dusk and after they're burning the midnight oil. Those coaches,

570
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure are looking at video what they've done so far,

571
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Speaker 1: what's gone well through four practices, what they'd like to

572
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: do better through four? Right, they do it, and they

573
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Speaker 1: that's all they do. Man, They sit there and they

574
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: and then you've seen clips of staff meetings. I mean,

575
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's all right, here's here's our guy, talk

576
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: to me, how's Lashawn doing. What's Leshaun McCoy, what's his name?

577
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: And then and the running back coach gets unvarnished. Yeah,

578
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: it's like, well he wants more work, We're not going

579
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: to give it to him. He wants. I love it

580
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: that he wants more work. He wants that. You know,

581
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: he's been a leader. He's really high. See him helping

582
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary. He seems all over it. This is you know,

583
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: next year in this offense, he really is ready to

584
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: start doing a B and C. I don't notice a

585
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: drop off in his route running. He seems a little

586
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: bit you know, all the unvarnished truth, whatever it is.

587
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: And you go down ninety guys, all the way down

588
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: the roster, and they sit there all day and talk

589
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: about stuff like this. You want to know why I

590
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: didn't want to get a coaching man. That is a

591
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: long day. There's something I've said this before in the show.

592
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: There's something ultimately and uniquely rewarding about going through all

593
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: of that process. And you roll your boys out on

594
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: a Sunday afternoon and you watch him, you know, kick

595
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: tail and take names. Right, there's something uniquely rewarding about that.

596
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: That's why these guys are into it's a sudden you're

597
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: getting ready to coach. That's great man. And you know

598
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: because you get you love them, Yeah, you get your

599
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: your your your mother hen over there, your chicks, no

600
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: matter even if the guy's a thirty five year old

601
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams. You know you feel like an ownership of him.

602
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: You know you've got a stake in how he plays.

603
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: And you roll these guys out there against a whole

604
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: nother team that's on scholarship too, right, they're doing the

605
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: same thing, and to accomplish that, it's it's. It gives

606
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: you an idea of why these guys are head over

607
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: heels into the coaching thing. Player assessment, Who's who's up,

608
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: who's down, who's gonna make the team, who's in trouble,

609
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: who's gonna start? All of that. You hear it every

610
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: day during training campus. We said forty thousand opinions so

611
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: far after just four practices. When do you start taking

612
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: it seriously? Give us a call and will discuss eighth

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Speaker 1: three fifty toll free one eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty, or you can do it on Twitter at

615
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: one Bills Live. We may read your tweet on the tweets.

616
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: You can vote on Twitter. Steve, you spent a lot

617
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: of your weekend with the Bill's alumni, a little Bill's

618
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: Alumni news, and it's sad today. He was primarily a charger,

619
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Speaker 1: a San Diego Charger, but five time AFL All Star

620
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: Keith Lincoln passed away Saturday night at his home in Pullman, Washington.

621
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: He was eighty years old. A key member of the

622
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: Chargers AFL teams in the sixties seven seasons with the

623
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Speaker 1: Chargers twice all AFL member of the Chargers Hall of Fame.

624
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I never knew the sixty three AFL Championship game. This

625
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: is before the Bills played in the AFL title games.

626
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: He was the most outanding player. He racked up three

627
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: hundred twenty nine yards from scrimmage, two hundred and six rushing,

628
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: one hundred twenty three receiving a running back and an

629
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Speaker 1: AFL championship YEA. For those of you who may not

630
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: know him, you'll remember he's the Mike Stratton hit in

631
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: the He's the guy that received it, yep. And that

632
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: was the tone center and the recipient. And in the

633
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: fraternity of players, whether you're on the good end or

634
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: bad end, you know, people remember you. You're part of

635
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: the part of their careers that you remember. And that

636
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: then we're the people on MSG are getting a chance

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Speaker 1: to see that hit. I saw Mike Stratton this last

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Speaker 1: and say hello to him. Seemed to be in good spirits,

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Speaker 1: doing really well. He was out on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: Yea having fun. So yeah, sadness hear about Keith Lincoln

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Speaker 1: passing away eighty the Bills eighty years old. Eighty years

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Speaker 1: old in Washington. So after the Stratton hit a couple

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Speaker 1: of years later, Keith Linkon was traded to the Bills

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven and made the All Star team

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Speaker 1: that year. Were the Bills and then spend part of

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Speaker 1: the trouble the troubled sixty eighth season with the Bills,

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Speaker 1: went back to San Diego for the final appearance of

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Speaker 1: his eight year career. Keith Lincoln passed away over the

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Speaker 1: weekend at age eighty. We thought that was notable. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into Sunday's practice. What we saw, what we think.

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Speaker 1: Give you forty thousand and one observations about the Bills

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Speaker 1: training camp so far, but give us a call. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you've been to camp, if you haven't, if you

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Speaker 1: like what you have seen or heard or read, let's

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Speaker 1: hear it. Bills training camp were player assessment. When's the

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Speaker 1: best time to start doing that? Eighth three five fifty

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker, One Bill's Live, presented by Kalid

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Speaker 1: to Health from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back One Billes Live, Jim Murphy, g Tasker in

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Speaker 1: our one Buffalo studio today. Back at training camp tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Training camp reopens to uh the fans on Wednesday at

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Speaker 1: nine forty five am. You do not need a ticket

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Speaker 1: for that Wednesday, Thursday, there Friday here the Return of

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Speaker 1: the Blue and the Goal. Welcome back. Good to have

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Speaker 1: you here in the studio with us. We Steve. It's

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Speaker 1: good to have you here as a matter. That's what

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Speaker 1: I was trying to say. You were missing me yesterday

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Speaker 1: practice weren't. Yeah, I was feeling a little lowe. Well

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Speaker 1: you know, you see things back to your print media

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Speaker 1: days when you headed was a loan. You were a

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Speaker 1: lone wolf out there. I was the lone wolf. I

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Speaker 1: did go upstairs because I see better up There's a

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Speaker 1: good move right yeah that last week. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: newfound revel It's lonely when you're by yourself, but no,

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Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, I just look, and I'm watching training

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Speaker 1: camps for more than three decades, so I think I'm

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Speaker 1: entitled to a change of venue. And it was good.

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Speaker 1: It was good yesterday. For it was a beautiful day yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I thought it might rain. We made it through without

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Speaker 1: any rain yesterday. So yeah, I was trying to keep

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Speaker 1: up with camp, you know, over kind of Twitter, kind

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Speaker 1: of rehashing reading the stuff that came out of camp. Yea.

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Speaker 1: So the problem with that is everybody sees the same thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Cole Beasley catch and we spoke about

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show. You can't even get

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Speaker 1: through all these people that have seen that to get

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Speaker 1: to other stuff. When you're there at camp, you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, I'm looking over here for a while. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the old line now for a while,

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Speaker 1: and so you can get to other things. You can't

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Speaker 1: this Cole Beasley day that he had, it was I

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Speaker 1: guess he had a good day. You didn't find anything

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Speaker 1: else about camp? Yeah, right, Well, and I will tell

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Speaker 1: you this, having worked in the media for a while,

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Speaker 1: there is kind of a pack mentality, a herd mentality,

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Speaker 1: one guy says, and you'll see it all the time.

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Speaker 1: If you're out there watching, you know somebody will make

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Speaker 1: an observation and all of a sudden, everybody's got the

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Speaker 1: same observation or watching the same guy. But Beazley certainly

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Speaker 1: was the standout yesterday. Let me get through what I

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Speaker 1: saw out there. A lot of special teams yesterday. You

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Speaker 1: would have liked that Mitch Morse on the sideline yesterday

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Speaker 1: with just what they call him maintenance stay. Same for

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander. So let me start with the offensive line

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Speaker 1: who played without Morse. Obviously you need a center, and

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Speaker 1: there was kind of a It was Feliciano and and

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Speaker 1: Bodine who were splitting first team reps yesterday. Feliciano and Bodine.

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Speaker 1: Feliciano also got reps at right guard. First team offensive

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Speaker 1: line for the most part yesterday, not much change. Dawkins

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Speaker 1: at left tackle, uh Spain, Quentin Spain at left guard,

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Speaker 1: Feliciano when Boda and at center, Spencer Long at right guard,

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Speaker 1: and Cody Ford at right tackle. Let's talk about a

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Speaker 1: couple of these things here. Steve, first of all, Spain

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Speaker 1: remains at left guard. Yeah, I'm surprised by that. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know you know he came here. I think he's

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Speaker 1: on one of those one year deals. Quentin Spain, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. He does have experience in the league, we

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Speaker 1: know that, but I don't know if I expected him

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Speaker 1: to be the guy not again as he won the job. No,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't won the job, but first four practices he's been.

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Speaker 1: He's been the stint. He's been the guy at left guard,

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Speaker 1: which says something, right, yeah, Um, well, Cody, there's been

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Speaker 1: if you put it this way. With Mitch Borse uh

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Speaker 1: in the in the mix along with Cody Ford and

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Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins, four of the offensive lineman haven't moved at

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Speaker 1: all since the beginning of training. Can the right guard

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Speaker 1: has been the spot where guys is Feliciano and Spencer

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Speaker 1: Long going in and out of the of the right

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Speaker 1: guard spot. Everybody else seems to be, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of settled there all of a sudden, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long that's gonna last, or maybe

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Speaker 1: it won't. Um. Maybe the only way we'll see a

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Speaker 1: change is if uh, Quentin Spain needs a maintenance day

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Speaker 1: like Mitch Morse did, and then we'll find out who's

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Speaker 1: playing behind him or who's the next guy in whether

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Speaker 1: they put him Spencer Long over there and put Feliciano

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Speaker 1: in it right guard whatever. Wyatt tellers still in the

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Speaker 1: mix there as well. So yeah, it's it's four practices,

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Speaker 1: I get it, and two of them are only two

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Speaker 1: of them are in pads. But I did notice a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a change in the take on some

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Speaker 1: of these players once they slipped the pads on, particularly

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line play. All of a sudden, you know,

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Speaker 1: you see Ed Oliver getting splashed around because he's you know,

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Speaker 1: you know he can he can explode off the ball

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Speaker 1: and hit some people. He can't do that when you

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Speaker 1: don't have pads on. But yeah, the offensive line consent,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be the story of this training

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Speaker 1: camp all the way to the end. Nless something unforeseen. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that your temptation might be to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I guess they know what they're gonna go with. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that. And again this goes

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Speaker 1: to the be patient argument I was trying to make earlier. Look,

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Speaker 1: one weekend, four practices. Now they'll get in on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: and Wednesday, Thursday, Friday practices this week so essentially week

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Speaker 1: two of training camp coming up this week, maybe they

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Speaker 1: take a look at other guys. Does Cody would stay

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Speaker 1: there at right tackle as he's been with the first

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Speaker 1: unit all along. Does Feliciano stay in there, he's been

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Speaker 1: a Steve said right guard and then center backing up

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Speaker 1: at center yesterday. Does Quentin Spains stay in there at

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Speaker 1: left guard? He's got forty eight NFL starts in his career,

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Speaker 1: so he's done it before. He's been the starting left guard.

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Speaker 1: Does Dawkins staying at left tackle? I would anticipate that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the case. We'll see second team offensive

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Speaker 1: line unit yesterday and Seci at left tackle, Teler at

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Speaker 1: left guard. They had boating for the most part. At center,

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Speaker 1: he did get first team reps. They had Spencer Long

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Speaker 1: staying in there at right guard. They were down a man,

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Speaker 1: as we said, and Adrian Waddle at right tackle. But again,

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Speaker 1: we might see a totally different mix of offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: coming up here in week two. Yeah, if you want

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Speaker 1: to see the offensive line shuffle, let's start proclaiming that

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Speaker 1: they settled on their starting five, and as soon as

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Speaker 1: you do that, right, they'll change all five guys out.

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Speaker 1: But and I guess that's that is one of the

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Speaker 1: things that prompted me with a Twitter poll today. I

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Speaker 1: read somewhere and you read a lot somebody said, well,

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Speaker 1: it looks like Quentin Spain's got it locked down now

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Speaker 1: at left guard at early For that, I don't know

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Speaker 1: it is. We've seen it a ton at other positions,

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Speaker 1: although you know, because most of the time, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: In recent memory, I'll say we've never really had these

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Speaker 1: huge questions at offensive line. There's been a couple of positions,

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Speaker 1: you know, one maybe two. They kind of came back

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Speaker 1: now this last year. Last year, of course, with Incognito

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Speaker 1: retiring and Eric would been out of the mix, there

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Speaker 1: was a lot, you know, was a little upheaval there.

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Speaker 1: It's the middle of the line. But really they signed

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Speaker 1: Russ Bodine. He was the guy from day one, so

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Speaker 1: there's really not a question of who's going to start.

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Speaker 1: But anytime you get to a spot like this, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's so many question marks, and we've seen it so

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Speaker 1: happens so often where a guy like Quentin Spain was

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Speaker 1: for instance, I'm just saying Quentin Spain there playing well,

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Speaker 1: doing stuff. First couple of weeks at camp. First week

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Speaker 1: and a half a camp less, say, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden something happens. All of a sudden, they

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Speaker 1: switch him out for Adam, and then they switch him

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Speaker 1: out again, and they keep switching him out, and all

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Speaker 1: sudden he's not in there. You know, all of a

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00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: sudden they say, well, he's plateau, and now he's not.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen wide receivers disappear. You know, we've

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Speaker 1: seen rod receiver come out in the first couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks of camp. He's catching everything, he's doing well, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden he kind of he doesn't catch everything,

809
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Speaker 1: can't get open. Maybe a little hamstring, took a day off,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden he never gets back

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Speaker 1: in the lineup. Camps long, it's only a month, but man,

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Speaker 1: there's practice after practice, meeting after meeting. A lot goes on,

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Speaker 1: and some of these guys just plateau and disappear. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that'll happen in the offensive line. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it ever does like it does in other positions, but

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Speaker 1: I know this that you've seen running backs come out

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Speaker 1: and splash real early in camp and then they just

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Speaker 1: don't make the team. Yeah, Well, have an update on

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Speaker 1: that for you tomorrow. What the first team offense online

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Speaker 1: looks like. Camp Spotlight. I think you know yesterday kept

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Speaker 1: an eye on him. See has been there the first

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Speaker 1: three practices. Keeping an eye on Tremaine Edmund's second year linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He's the focus of our Camp Spotlight today. Edmonds in

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Speaker 1: his second year. Obviously he started what fifteen starts last year,

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Speaker 1: calls the defensive signals, gets people lined up much more comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I think in that role, Steven, I hope we get

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Speaker 1: a chance to get him on the show coming up soon.

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Speaker 1: I just think Tremaine Edmonds and people know this, he

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Speaker 1: spoke yesterday. The media. People know that he has a

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Speaker 1: big role to play. He is essentially the quarterback of

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. And I look for

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Speaker 1: Edmonds to kind of just keep going forward. He seems comfortable.

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Speaker 1: He makes he makes big hits, you know, as far

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Speaker 1: as the thud tempo. They can run a practice and

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Speaker 1: he seems to be in the right place and he

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Speaker 1: seems comfortable and calling the defense moving people around. You

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Speaker 1: can see that every practice you watch. I do keep

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Speaker 1: an eye in it almost I'll be honest, almost taking

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Speaker 1: for granted. Sometimes well it's amazing too, because it's the

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Speaker 1: second training camp as a pro. He just turned twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and he is like the quickest guy and maybe the

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Speaker 1: youngest guy ever where it's just been. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna set up forget it. You know, he's lit a

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Speaker 1: linebacker in my defense. I'm not gonna he's got and

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Speaker 1: we all see two. I mean, you just watch this

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Speaker 1: guy for a minute. He's got more than enough athletic ability.

847
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Speaker 1: He's got bucket loads of that. He's got bucket loads

848
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Speaker 1: of size. He's a big range, a huge athlete. Athletically,

849
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Speaker 1: there's absolutely no way he couldn't play almost any position

850
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: on the field. That's kind of athlete he is. That's

851
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: a kind of body he's got. It all comes down

852
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Speaker 1: to what's between his ears and and and the commitment

853
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Speaker 1: he has, and he has shown that to be as

854
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Speaker 1: big a strength as his physical abilities. He is really blossomed.

855
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Speaker 1: The last half of last year. He got to the point, really, Murph,

856
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: and you can whether you think this or not, I'll

857
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Speaker 1: ask you he's gonna be in the middle head defense

858
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Speaker 1: for fifteen years for as long as he wants to hope.

859
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Speaker 1: That's how fast. That's how fast he expanded into that role,

860
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, okay, Yeah, he was defensive rookie

861
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: of the in the of the league in December. He

862
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: took leaps and bounds, you know, and with his ability,

863
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's could you imagine anybody playing well

864
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: enough to get him out of there? I can't. Well,

865
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: we'll see. I think that's we all hope it's headed

866
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Speaker 1: on that trajectory. We'll see. We come back. We'll get

867
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Speaker 1: into our camp standout yesterday. It's an easy one. We'll

868
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: talk about the wide receivers and how they are working

869
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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen, all of that when we return for

870
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Speaker 1: the next segment. Come on back One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalat of Health from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo

872
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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. Wellcome back One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive,

873
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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Seeve Tancer. Now we're going over yesterday's training

874
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Speaker 1: camp practice practice number foward camp camp standout. I was there.

875
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Speaker 1: I named Cole Beasley. Not gonna surprise you. Beasley had

876
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Speaker 1: a very good day yesterday. Started and off. In one

877
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Speaker 1: of the early team sessions, Josh Allen hit Beasley out

878
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: of the slot down the right sideline, a great diving catch.

879
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: He got past Matt Mlano and made a great diving

880
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: catch early on. But two plays later, Allen hit Beasley

881
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Speaker 1: crossing over the middle, which is another way that Beasley's

882
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: going to be a big factor. He had a couple

883
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: of nice plays. Josh zipped a quick one to Beasley

884
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: over the middle a little bit later on in practice,

885
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Speaker 1: but it was the diving catch. It got everybody's attention.

886
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Speaker 1: It was Beasley's best practice of camp so far. And

887
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Speaker 1: after practice, Josh Allen talked about his new receiver, talked

888
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Speaker 1: about developing chemistry with Beasley, and Josh Allen was asked

889
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Speaker 1: what makes Cole Beasley special. Here's what he said. One,

890
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: he's really smart too. He's really really elusive and really shifty. Um.

891
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: He gets so low to the ground when he's running

892
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: these routes and he's getting in out of his cuts. Um,

893
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: there's that aspect. You know. He's very talkative, very communicative. Um,

894
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, and he's not the type of god it's

895
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, give me a better ball. It's no,

896
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: It's okay. You know, you you put it, I'll catch it.

897
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a play out of it. So Um,

898
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Speaker 1: we're gonna continue to develop that relationship and the trust there,

899
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: and um, you know, he's show him why he was

900
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: a very really good target on third down last year

901
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: and he's gonna, you know, be very vital along this

902
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: offense here. Sure is going to be an important piece,

903
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: you know. And you talked about a couple of things there, Josh,

904
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: did you talked about how he talks a lot? And

905
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: that's an important thing, I think Alan said earlier over

906
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Speaker 1: the weekend. Maybe did he say it on our show?

907
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: I think you did, Like I think so, if we're

908
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: not talking, we can't win, right, John McDermot said, and

909
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: he recorded quiet teams don't win quite, that was it,

910
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: he said, day boll told him that, right, Yeah, somebody, yeah,

911
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: it might have been. That's that's a good point. Point

912
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: When when Josh salutes Colbeasy for talking a lot not

913
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: being quiet, that's good. That's good for everybody, right, yeah,

914
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: oh absolutely. What it gets to is you give the guy.

915
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: You got to trust your teammate enough so you can

916
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: tell him, hey, listen, here's what I was thinking when

917
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I saw this. I did this, and they get you

918
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: get the idea of when the guy's out there and

919
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: and defenders are moving in unexpected ways and you both

920
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: see that, you both know how the other thinks, and

921
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: you react the exact same way, and you can still

922
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: complete the pass even when the defense has a gotcha

923
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: play on, you know, where they they jump around or

924
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: something and say, oh, I got it, And you know

925
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: when you both see it and react the same way,

926
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: you could overcome those things just because you're so familiar

927
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: with the thought thought process of each other. That's you know,

928
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: I remember being in that situation with Jim Kelly. I

929
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: know Jim had that relationship with a couple of guys

930
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Speaker 1: Andre Reid, Thurman Thomas, and you can see it in

931
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: other players around the National Football League, with Philip Rivers

932
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: and Antonio Gates, guys like that, who are these great combinations.

933
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: It's because they thinking about things the other like the

934
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: other does. They anticipate each other, and it's it's a

935
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Speaker 1: great place to be in. And the more you talk

936
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Speaker 1: between plays, the more insight you get into that and

937
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: that's what breeds success. When things are not going exactly

938
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Speaker 1: the way you planned them, you can still overcome that stuff.

939
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Speaker 1: It's kind of delayed development. Between Josh Allen and COLEBC,

940
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: because BC was a little banged up and miss you know,

941
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: a ton of time to in the spring workout. So

942
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: ata's a mini camp. He's making that up now and

943
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: only four practices and end practices into training camp. Basy

944
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: had a big day yesterday. I think everybody agreed to that.

945
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: Josh Allen talk about that about the process of developing

946
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: chemistry with his wide receivers, especially the new ones. Here's

947
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: what Josh said yesterday. Basically, with the quarterback chemistry with

948
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: the receivers that we have, it's all about communication. We

949
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: met today and talked about what we're thinking when he's

950
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: running these these types of routes and man's own types

951
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: of body language that we want him to give and

952
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: how he sees it. Um, you know, I ask questions

953
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: on how he sees it too, and we just want

954
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're on the same page. You know,

955
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: if we see him micliningbacker on Cole and I'm gonna

956
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: let him work and whatever he does, he's gonna win,

957
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: and I got I've got to put it on him,

958
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: so I gotta be ready for it. So that's just

959
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: the same page. It's a communication. It's watching reps it's

960
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: and then going out there and doing the actual reps

961
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: against a linebacker. So today's a good day for that

962
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: makes sense, you just said, it makes sense that it

963
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: takes a little time to do that, right, See absolutely,

964
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: And you gotta trust each once. You gotta run through it,

965
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: and you'll be successful a couple of times in practice

966
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: you start to gain a trust that when the chips

967
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: are down and things are it's for real, you're gonna

968
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: go ahead and trust him and make that throw in

969
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: a game where even in a tight situation or in

970
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: a crucial situation of the game. So take some time,

971
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: no question about it. But it also can be accelerated,

972
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: like we said, like the whole point of this conversation,

973
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: when you start talking between plays and the more feedback

974
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: a receiver can give to the quarterback, the quarterback can

975
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: make better decisions based on the receiver's body language, the

976
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: route or the coverage. All of that stuff goes into

977
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: the mix and you start just playing with one mind,

978
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: and that's when success really happens. Any More observations on

979
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: yesterday's workout. As the show moves along, we'll get some

980
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: in the next segment from Adam Kaplan Serious sex NFL

981
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: insider who is at training camp yesterday and that's coming up.

982
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: You can make your own observations at camp Wednesday or

983
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: Thursday this week or Friday here in Archer Parkets the

984
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: Return of Them Blue and the Red the Bills Night

985
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: practice free and open to the public this Friday, six

986
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: fifteen pm. You can get tickets. Just go online the

987
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills dot com and get tickets free tickets for

988
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: the Return of the Blue and the Red Night practice

989
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: coming up Friday night at New Airfield. Stephen I coming

990
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: back for our number two one Bills Live from One

991
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Buffalo Bills Radio

992
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: Network Stories update the update from One Bill's Drive Today

993
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. With the day off, players and coaches

994
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: return to practice tomorrow at St. John Fisher College. That

995
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: one not open to the public. The next open public

996
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: practice is Wednesday morning ninety five at Saint John Fisher College.

997
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: They'll practice there Wednesday and Thursday. Practice here at New

998
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: ear Field on Friday. Jets free agent act musician Jamison

999
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Crowder is dealing with a foot injury once again. He

1000
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: left practice today after injuring his foot. It looked to

1001
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: be his left foot. Jets coach Adam Gate said after

1002
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: practice he's being evaluated and we're all undergoing MRI. He

1003
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: missed seven games dealing with a right ankle injury last

1004
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: year when he was with the Washington Redskins, and MRI

1005
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: revealed that Bengals wide receiver Aj Green has torn ligaments

1006
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: in his left ankle like that to keep him on

1007
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: the sidelines for six to eight weeks. Not expected to

1008
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: be ready for the Bengals regular season opener September eighth

1009
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: in Seattle. It's bad news for the Cincinnati Bengals the

1010
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: injury to AJ Green. New Dolphins tit coach Brian Flores

1011
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: is making his players run for sloppy practice. Yesterday, three

1012
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: times he stopped practice and sent either the entire offense

1013
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: or the entire defense running to a wall as punishment

1014
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: for mental mistakes. And Patriots welcome Michael Bennett at a

1015
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: training camp yesterday. He arrived in Foxboro to take place

1016
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: to take barton full time pad's practice as a member

1017
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: of the Patriots. Four months after he arrived signed to

1018
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: deal with the Patriots. He said he had a family

1019
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: issue at home that he had to take care of.

1020
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: Vincent Testaverdie, the son of former Bengals quarterback Vinnie Testaverdie,

1021
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: number one overall pick in nineteen eighty seven. Vincent signed

1022
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: yesterday with the Bucks. Younger Testaverdie played at the University

1023
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: of Albany, right down the road in New York State. Monday,

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00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Today's collective bargaining session between the NFL and the NFL

1025
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Players Association has been postponed. They will reschedule for some

1026
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: time in the first week of August. Sad news from

1027
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: the Football World. One of the best running backs in

1028
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Chargers history has passed away. Keith Lincoln died at his

1029
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: home in Washington State. He was eighty years old. And

1030
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: the Bisons go back to salin Field. They got a

1031
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: quick two game series against Rochester coming up starting tonight,

1032
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: seven o five, First pitch in downtown Buffalo. John Murphy

1033
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker in our one Buffalo studio spending a lot

1034
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: of time talking about the first four days of practice,

1035
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: talking about yesterday's practice. One of the people who was

1036
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: there as an observer series sex m NFL Insider, the

1037
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: co host of the Inside the Birds podcast. He's covered

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00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: the NFL for more than twenty years. Happen to welcome

1039
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan to the show. Adam, I saw you there yesterday.

1040
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to say hi.

1041
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was filling in for our

1042
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: man Chris Brown yesterday and I was overwhelmed by all

1043
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: that I had to do. So well. I love Chris.

1044
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, so, no, actually you were

1045
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: signing autographs, my friend. I didn't want to take you away.

1046
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's so popular. I don't think I you know,

1047
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Speaker 1: I don't think I signed any yesterday. I usually watch

1048
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: practice uptop so I can pay attention, say a little.

1049
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Speaker 1: Steve Taskers with us here today, Adam as well, you've

1050
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: good to talk to you. I think it's number eighty nine, correct,

1051
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Speaker 1: I used to be Yeah, it used to be. I'm

1052
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Speaker 1: actually yeah, somebody else. They washed my jersey and gave

1053
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Speaker 1: it away pretty quick. Oh yeah, I remember you was

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Speaker 1: eighty nine as a as a kid, though, I think

1055
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: I might be older than you. Yeah, no, it was, yeah,

1056
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: probably you were in middle school at the time. I was, yeah, yeah,

1057
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on with us. And I got to

1058
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: ask you, what were your first impressions of the bills.

1059
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: I know you make your travel around the National Football

1060
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: League and has some ideas about what you might see.

1061
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Anything surprise you. You know, it's funny, Steve, when you

1062
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: look at a roster sheet, it's nothing like when you're there.

1063
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: And I cannot believe the town level of the offensive line.

1064
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm a very straight up guy. When

1065
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: I saw the offensive line last season, I was embarrassed.

1066
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: When I was there last summer, I was like, what

1067
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: the what are they putting out there? Well, you know what,

1068
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: it may not be the best one, but it's the

1069
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: deepest one I've seen the summer so far. I mean,

1070
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: they are a legit Levin deep, one person one that

1071
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: Bill has had a great joke he goes our backups

1072
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: have backups. It was pretty funny. And you know what,

1073
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty good at Mitch Worse, who's one of the

1074
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: best centers in the league, didn't even practice yesterday, getting

1075
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: a venter and day off. So the talent levels outstanding

1076
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: on the line. The coaching by Bobby johnson'll be great. Bobby,

1077
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: don't forget coach Roger Saffold at University of Indiana outau

1078
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: and he's a good coach. Chad Hall, I've known since

1079
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: twenty ten as a receiver's coach, the terrific young coach,

1080
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: or remember covering as a player come out of air Force.

1081
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: He's got a ton of energy. This is a better

1082
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: staff by It was probably the best staff that John

1083
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: McDermott is put together. And I think you can be

1084
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: really proud of this team. This is the talent level.

1085
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: It's been upgrade on so many spots. The defense was

1086
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: already great guys, as you know, offensively they were not

1087
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: good last season. To speed John Brown, oh boy, what

1088
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you see him got Folks in the preseason. I don't

1089
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: know where they're going to play him, but man, this

1090
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: guy could run. The offense of the offense is going

1091
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: to take off this season. It is gonna be way better.

1092
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: And the other thing I love and Steve can relate

1093
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: to this, and Murph you can because you've been to

1094
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: camp forever. If we love competition, the competition level is

1095
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: so good at certain positions, and you know the right

1096
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: side of the line is not is They tell me

1097
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: the right side of the line is still open. So

1098
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: thought on that. Your question is this the talent level

1099
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: has been upgraded significantly and now they could really compete

1100
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: for I think a wildcard spot. For sure. You are

1101
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: quoted as saying, after you watch your Bills yesterday, Adam,

1102
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: that that Bills qualify as one of the most improved

1103
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. And yeah, I think you've outlined

1104
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: some of those reasons. Why right, this is what you've seen.

1105
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 1: They're better than they were a year ago, just on paper,

1106
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: if not on the field for the first four year. Yeah. Look,

1107
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: look right, we don't went on paper, but from a

1108
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: skill position standpoint, there they've been upgraded. Now we didn't

1109
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: get to Josh Allen. I know that els are loving it.

1110
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: The apply talk to some of the players, the front office,

1111
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: the coaches. Josh Stayfield's gonna make a big jump. We'll

1112
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 1: see if he does that. But what I love about

1113
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: the kid is the work ethic is there and he

1114
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: wants to and it's the one two which is you know,

1115
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: is so important as a quarterback position, and now he's

1116
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: learning how to. He had a throw which I look

1117
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: for stuff like this. He threw with anticipation, a sideline throw,

1118
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: which is something that you look for with receivers. And

1119
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: what I mean is he threw the ball in the

1120
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: middle of the receiver's route, which he never did last year,

1121
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: and that's a big step for him. So big step

1122
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: in the right direction. So again, the summon up guys

1123
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: and more of the The reason why they're gonna be

1124
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: better is that the talent level is significantly better. I

1125
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: think the coach and the coach. The re shuffling of

1126
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: the coaches was very good by Seu McDermott and I

1127
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: really look forward to seeing this first game. It's fun. Ironically,

1128
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: who did I see the day before the team that

1129
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: they're playing week won? The Jets. Yeah, you know, both

1130
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Bills both have second year quarterbacks

1131
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: drafted just a couple of picks apart. What do you expect,

1132
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, the significant step forward to be for you know,

1133
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: both Sam Darnald and Josh Allen. What's realistically an expectation

1134
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: for both those guys. Yes, so, Steve, I think the

1135
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: talent level, because the talent level, see one of the

1136
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: one of someone with the Bills made a great point

1137
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: to me. We're trying going to use now every time

1138
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: I talked about the Bill, if he goes look at

1139
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: it this way with our offensive line and goes, if

1140
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: we give Josh a half a second more and the

1141
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: half a second is craising the National Footballague. People don't

1142
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: understand because the average, the average past attempt is seven

1143
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: point seconds from snap to release. If you give him

1144
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: just a half a second more, he'll be able to

1145
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: process better. And if you process better, you're going to

1146
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: be more accurate because you want to be you won't

1147
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: be overthinking things. So I think that that the offensive

1148
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: line being better is going to help him. And then

1149
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: with Darnald the getting Jamison Crowder as we talked with

1150
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: the Jets quickly here they have a true slot receiver. Look,

1151
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: last year, the Bills didn't have one called Beasley, true

1152
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: slot receiver. We all know when you have a slot receiver,

1153
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: you got a chance, and it just so happens. The

1154
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: Bills in the JA some of the best slot receivers.

1155
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: So that'll help him. But I do think the Bill's

1156
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: offense will be better. From the offensive line standpoint, it's

1157
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: not even close. The Jets have a subpart offensive line

1158
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: talent that the Bills are so deep. It's really amazing

1159
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: when you look at what they had last year to

1160
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: what they have this year. And you've got to get

1161
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: Brandon being pride and Sean McDermott they addressed it. They

1162
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: knew it. It's not a secret. They had to do it,

1163
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: and they did it in a big way. With Adam

1164
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: Kaplan's series x M NFL Insider, he was an observer

1165
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: visitor to Bill's camp yesterday at Saint John Fisher College.

1166
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: One more question I have for you, Adam about the

1167
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and I think this is the key. He

1168
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: was on the show of this Friday and when you

1169
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: ask him what his goals are this year in this camp,

1170
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: he talked, he doesn't talk about I want to hire

1171
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: completion percentage. I want to be more accurate, he says.

1172
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: I want to make better decisions. You can see him

1173
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: making those decisions. I think in camp to throw it

1174
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: underneath the Frank Gore or over the middle to Cole Beasley.

1175
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: He makes better decisions. He doesn't try to force the

1176
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: ball downfield into into kind of the coverages he did

1177
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: a year ago. I think that's significant. Yeah, fact, one

1178
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: of the coaches mentioned that to me. They notice his

1179
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: decision making is way better, and the other stuff will come.

1180
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to be a sixty percent

1181
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: passer ever, But let's not forget Drew Bledsoe fifty nine percent.

1182
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly was around sixty. I think, especially in college

1183
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: was I think he's below that. I'm not so worried

1184
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: about the police percent and she's just got to make

1185
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: better decisions and that. And by the way, Donald throw

1186
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: a ton of picks. The more we all know this,

1187
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: we watch football, the more experience you get, the less

1188
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: mistakes you're gonna make if you really care about the game. Now,

1189
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston, who's in a very big talent, he now

1190
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: has his last draw here is Bruce arians to get

1191
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: it out of him. But I think Josh takes the coach.

1192
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing that the Bill's mentioned to

1193
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: me is that he really wants to be coached hard.

1194
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, Ken Dorsey a really good quarterbacks coach,

1195
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: he'll do a good job with him. How big a

1196
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: difference can Cole Beasley and John Brown make a whole

1197
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: totally revamped and really a wide receivering crew that looks

1198
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: way different than the one did just a year ago.

1199
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: How big a difference could that make for a quarterback?

1200
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: So Steve started with Smokey Brown. So I've covered John

1201
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: Brown for years. In fact, I'll never forget this. I

1202
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: talked to the Ravens before Flacco heard his hip last season,

1203
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: and they said, wow, he's going to have a career

1204
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: year for us. And by the way, he was on

1205
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: his way until Flacco suffered his hip laborm injury and

1206
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: then he Flaco never played again. As he saw when

1207
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: they made your change to Lamar Jackson, they would literally

1208
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: would not let him further football, and John's numbers went

1209
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: down the end of the year. Healthy he's and what

1210
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: they told what the brand I think what the bill

1211
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: told me yesterday. I thought it was a great point

1212
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: by someone in the front office. The tape says one thing,

1213
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: but when you have him, they did not realize how

1214
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: good of a route runner he was. And that is

1215
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: really important because when you have a young quarterback, you

1216
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: got to help him. And he's not just a deep threat.

1217
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: And by the way that the Ravens were using him

1218
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: inside the twenty last year a little bit, so I

1219
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: then he'll help him. And having Cole Beasley and I

1220
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: saw in yesterday's practice, I loved and this is a

1221
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: big issue for Josh Allen. Last year, Flacco went through

1222
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: the same thing. These tall quarterbacks have bubble taking juice

1223
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: off the football within ten yards, and that was a

1224
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: real issue for Josh last season. He did a much

1225
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: better job of it last yesterday's practice. I get it's

1226
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: only one practice, but that was a really good sign

1227
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: for me. And having Jamison Crowder. He's an elite plot receiver.

1228
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Unfortunately he had a high Anchorst frame, which he played

1229
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: on last year. You've never himself. He's going to help

1230
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: Sam Donald and I'll tell you being with both teams,

1231
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: I think they're very close. I think the difference is

1232
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: the offensive line or the Bills. I think both have

1233
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: outstanding front sevens. The Bills secondary is better. I think

1234
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: on paper, the Bills just a little bit of a

1235
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: better football team. One more Bills question for me, Adam,

1236
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: and that's about first round draft pick Ed Oliver. Did

1237
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: you make any observations on him and what did you

1238
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: see from him yesterday? I said to someone on the

1239
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 1: coach and stiff. I said, look, I was with Aaron

1240
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: Donald's rookie. He was unbelievably small. You know he's only

1241
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: six feet Yeah. Well Aaron Donald now look singing to Donnads.

1242
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: He's been working out. He's all jacked up. Ed Oliver

1243
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: is so small. But you know what, he's got the

1244
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: same thing that Donald's got, unbelievable get off and athleticism.

1245
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: But he's just got to get stronger. Um, you're not

1246
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: gonna make him any taller. Folks not talking to change.

1247
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: But and then he's got to grow up a little bit.

1248
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: I know that the maturity thing is. You know that

1249
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: they'll come. But he's well coached and Jerlyn Sun will

1250
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: do a good job with him. I think I think

1251
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really good, but you got to give

1252
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: him time. Don't expect immediate dividends. They got to. By

1253
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: the way, I also have a good defensive line without

1254
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: him when he's not in there, so to just uh

1255
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: just let it happen him that that talk kid ninety

1256
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: two Johnson is an interesting player. I don't know was

1257
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: he's sixty seven? Yeah, defensive lineman, yeah, yeah, the seventh rounder.

1258
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah he's wow, Johnson's six. Yeah, he's an interesting player

1259
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: for him NCA and C or something like that. Yeah,

1260
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: I was impressed by his size. North Carolina A and

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Speaker 1: t Ye Widen our little scope a little bit talks.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Eagles can you know with with

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Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz coming back and seemingly healthy once again.

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Speaker 1: And if he gives them sixteen games, how could good

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Speaker 1: How good could the Eagles expect to be this year? Ye? Well,

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Speaker 1: Steve I was at the game unfortunately when he towards

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Speaker 1: ACL and he had four touchdowns in middle third quarter

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Speaker 1: at the LA Coliseum and he had thirty three touch

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Speaker 1: and touchdown passes at that point he was headed for

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Speaker 1: over forty. I mean, the skis for the limit. I

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Speaker 1: thought he could have been the MVP that year he was.

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Speaker 1: This is only his second year. I'm expecting I was

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Speaker 1: around Parson a couple days ago. He's lost weight, he's

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Speaker 1: got he's real lean. I'm expecting Skies the limit. They

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Speaker 1: probably again it's on paper, have the NFL's best roster,

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Speaker 1: the best death. I mean, someone with the Jets said

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Speaker 1: to me that they could not believe how good the

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Speaker 1: Eagles death is in the salary cap era. They've done

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Speaker 1: a great job of building death. But they definitely have

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01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: some issues at cornerback and the offensive line. Brandon Brooks,

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Speaker 1: who tours achilles, He's probably gonna be ready for the

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Speaker 1: start of the regular season. But that's a bad injury.

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Speaker 1: But overall, you know it and You've been around it

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Speaker 1: with Jim Kelly. When you've got the quarterback, you've got

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Speaker 1: half the battle, more than half of it. You just

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Speaker 1: got to fill in the dots and go on the rest.

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Speaker 1: And the Eagles done a great job of doing it.

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01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: They shocked me two years afto when they won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I thought they'd be nine and seven. They've

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Speaker 1: got a great roster, but it starts with the offensive

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Speaker 1: line of defensive lines, and they're they've got the best

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Speaker 1: detack rotation in the NFL. Wait to see this with

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Speaker 1: Fletcher Coxlake Jackson, Crayvon Hester Ridgeway who they traded with,

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Speaker 1: who's gotten off the good start, and they had to

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Speaker 1: cut someone because at d tackle they don't they're they're

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Speaker 1: lighted other areas. But because they signed on Landers Scanner.

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Speaker 1: So when you guys see them, you're going to see

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01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: a team that's absolutely loaded. But they've got to get

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Speaker 1: all You've got to get guys to play together that

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Speaker 1: that doesn't always happen when you do when you had

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Speaker 1: a lot of players from different teams. And I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about reading about the Eagles just this morning and

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Speaker 1: about wentz Um. They had no choice even with his

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Speaker 1: injuries they had to extend his contract, right. I mean

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: they're committed. They are deeply committed now to Carson Wentz,

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01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: which some people might say, well, why would you do

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01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: that based on you know, he has trouble staying down

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Speaker 1: the field. They didn't have much of a choice, did they. No,

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Speaker 1: But you guys know it being around great quarterbacks and

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: some guys will get hurt, you never really worry about

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Speaker 1: the injury factor too much. Look, if the guy's getting

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01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: hurt five years in a row, you got a decision

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01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: to make. He suffered broker ribs in his first ever

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Speaker 1: game against the Buccaneers in twenty sixteen in the preseason,

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01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: played all sixteen games. By the way, next year it

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01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: tears his acl. Then the next year he suffers a

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Speaker 1: fraction of his back. Okay, I mean he got some injuries,

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: but you know it when you're around it. It's the

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Speaker 1: ones constant in my career. I kind of know it

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01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: when I'm around great quarterback play. Although mahomes surprise man,

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01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: never thought he'd be this good this soon. But when

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01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: you're around it, you wanted around forever. And the Eagles

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01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: know what they have and by the way, they got

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Speaker 1: a bargain on that contract. They're gonna They're taking the

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01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: risk now, but the payoff if he's who they think

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Speaker 1: he is. I mean, it's just crazy. I'll go get

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Speaker 1: of a contract of this. So they did the smartest

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Speaker 1: thing in doing it. Now, Adam, let me ask you

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01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: one thing about the New York Giants. Does Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: get on the field this season? Oh? God, does he?

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01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: If he doesn't play half the season, I'd be stunned.

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Speaker 1: They now Bear fans laid up to me on Twitter

1333
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: last year. I was wrong about the Bears. I'm still

1334
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: shocked at how good they were. I'm not always right

1335
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: on minute. I got that one completely wrong. I think

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: I had them for six wins. Okay, but but coaching

1337
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: matters coaching by and that's a that's a scheme based offense.

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01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't think Trubisky is as good as his numbers

1339
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: would would stay. But Daniel Jones, look, I saw him

1340
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: at the TENA ball. I know what Dave Gentleman saw.

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01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: It's got a lot of ability. But their offensive line,

1342
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: especially the right side, scares me. And Steve you could

1343
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: come out of retirement. Give them five good plays. I mean,

1344
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: that's how bad they aren't receiver, so no offense, but

1345
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: they're struggling at wide receiver. Their defense will be somewhat competitive.

1346
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: This is a five or six win team. Giant fans

1347
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: who are listening, give it to me. If they're eight

1348
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: and eight or better. He'll play half the season. He

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01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: won't play early on if they could help it, but

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Speaker 1: he'll play. How many times have we listened to coaches

1351
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: and executives say, oh, we're not going to play that

1352
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: guy and they wound up playing them almost every time.

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01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: So he'll play a lot. He'll play at least after

1354
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: the season. Does he have to play in order to

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Speaker 1: take take some of the pressure off the general manager, gentleman, No,

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Speaker 1: because they're committed to doing it the right way. The

1357
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: Eagles would tell you that they didn't really want to

1358
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: play Carson Wentz, but it was so obvious that they

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01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: had to go back on their word, and they were

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01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: right by the way. I mean, he he played well,

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01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: relatively well as a rookie. When the Jaguars told me privately,

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: Blake Bluers will never play your one, we know what happened.

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: It's just you play the kid unless you don't think

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01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: he could handle mentally like Carson Palmer and oh three,

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01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals Torma, he was two whatever it was. Whenever

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Speaker 1: he was the first pick overall guys, they told me

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01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: absolutely positively was not ready from a mental standpoint. They

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Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable put him out there. And guess what,

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Speaker 1: they never played him your one. Hey, before I let

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Speaker 1: you go, Adam, I hear you're talking about win projections

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Speaker 1: for the for various teams, Eagles, Giants. What do you

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Speaker 1: got for the Bills? Having seen them, I've got them.

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Speaker 1: I usually I go two, gay, I go. Last year

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Speaker 1: I nailed the Browns. I gave him seven to eight.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving them Bills eight to nine. Matt. If they

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01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: max it out, it could be ten. But a lot

1377
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: has to happen. I don't want to put too much

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Speaker 1: on Josh Allen. I like the story, I like his

1379
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: work ethic. I heard he's a great kid. But let's

1380
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: just let it play out. Sometimes we get too excite it.

1381
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: But there's no doubt that McDermot and being have done

1382
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: a tremendous job of building this team. I'm not a

1383
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: big fan of signing so many players, but I like

1384
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: what they did. Other than Ti ni Seki, who oh

1385
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: my goodness. I covered him when he was in the

1386
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: Arena Football League with the Soul. What a story he

1387
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: has been thirty one years old. I get him credit,

1388
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: but the guys that they sign are all pretty much

1389
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: either not even in the prime yet or getting to it.

1390
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Speaker 1: So I like it. Be patient, folks, you should be excited,

1391
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: though I don't want to be patient. Do you steve

1392
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: people who are willing to wait? Let it happen. Let

1393
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: it happen. If you're going to be excited this, you're

1394
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: calling their games probably than Adam Heydam. Thanks for this.

1395
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: Good to see you there yesterday. Thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on with us today anytime, guys, Thank you. Adam Kaplan

1397
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: covers the NFL for more than twenty years here sex

1398
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Speaker 1: m NFL Insider, co host of the Inside the Birds

1399
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: podcast dealing with the Eagles, and he joins us on

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Speaker 1: the line today after his visit to Bill's training camp.

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01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: Thanks to him for joining us. Interesting observations, and I

1402
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: think that's pretty much the national take right. They're on

1403
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: the right track getting better. Eight to ten wins sounds

1404
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: about yeah, and I think most of it like that. Well,

1405
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: he came and actually looked at him, gonna watch him

1406
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: and know some of the players they're talking about, So

1407
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: he's like, he's more optimistic than it's maybe somebody from

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01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: the West Coast who hasn't seen this club take shape.

1409
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: But you know, there's so many things that nobody knows

1410
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: about this team. You don't know how this offensive line

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01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: is gonna come. Certainly they've done what is perceived to

1412
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: be enough to fix the offensive line. But does Shady

1413
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: McCoy and Frank Gore have enough in the tank to

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Speaker 1: carry a running game behind even a good or above

1415
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Speaker 1: average offensive line. We'll see this. Josh Allen does his

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Speaker 1: smart to the fact that he's smart, that he's working hard,

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01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: and he's got a physical ability. Is that really gonna

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Speaker 1: beat enough with the weapons around him to make him

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Speaker 1: take another step forward? Everybody there's a big perception that

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Speaker 1: he's not accurate enough, a perception I don't think you

1421
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Speaker 1: and I share. I think he's more than accurate enough

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Speaker 1: to have a team win a lot of games with

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Speaker 1: him at the helm and beat a team that could

1424
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Speaker 1: be good enough to win a championship. Certainly, he's got

1425
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: a long way to go. Is he gonna take another step?

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: Nobody knows that unless you're in there looking at him

1427
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: and watching him, and you know, the coaches on the

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01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: team certainly have that faith. There's a lot of things

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01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: that are new and moving parts about the Buffalo Bills

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01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: this season. Certainly they showed some optimistic traits last season,

1431
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: Josh putting the cape on a little too much, showing,

1432
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, trying to take the offense on his shoulders

1433
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: a little too much. You know, they got to get

1434
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: away from that, no question about it. Is there going

1435
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: to be enough in the tank so he doesn't have

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01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: to put you know, play hero ball that we'll see

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01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: you see. But Adam Caplan thinks, well, they got enough talent,

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Speaker 1: you know what. I'm putting them up at nine to

1439
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: eight to nine wins, ten wins. Maybe if they max

1440
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: it out, we'll see. So there's that's probably one of

1441
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Speaker 1: the most optimistic predictions we've heard from a national writer. Yeah,

1442
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: media like Adam Kaplan, both in town and out of town.

1443
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: Fans make observations and make sometimes sweeping judgments on who's

1444
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: good who's not good. It kind of gets to our

1445
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: Twitter poll today with four practices in the books and

1446
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: forty thousand opinions floating around about players, when do you

1447
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: start taking player assessment yours or someone else's? When do

1448
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: you start to player assessment seriously? Got phone lines open

1449
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: to discuss eight O three oh five fifty toll free

1450
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: from outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty, or you can vote in their Twitter poll.

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Speaker 1: Let's check it out. Forty seven percent of you say

1453
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: you start taking player assessment seriously after the third preseason game.

1454
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: Twenty seven percent of you say you take it seriously

1455
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: just before the regular season begins after preseason. Seventeen percent

1456
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: say you start taking it seriously after the first preseason game.

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01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: Ten percent say something else. Give us a call. Let's

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Speaker 1: discuss eight three fifty toll free one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. Dave on the line from

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Speaker 1: rock Board, Dave, go ahead, you're on the air. I

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Speaker 1: John as Thief. I say they shouldn't be available until

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Speaker 1: game five of the regular season season. Ye. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess we're not talking about team evaluations as much

1464
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: as individual players, you know, like this guy's a lock,

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01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna have trouble making the roster. Yeah, we're talking, Dave,

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Speaker 1: more about the fifty three. What are your thoughts ABO

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Speaker 1: about that? What's that we're talking more about the fifty

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: three players on the roster rather than how the whole

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Speaker 1: team is gonna do. What are your thoughts about when

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Speaker 1: you decide about individual players? Um? Third preseason? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go, Thanks Dave. Let's go to Bill and

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Speaker 1: Orchard Park. Hello. Bill, you're on the air with this.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Bill, Welcome to the show, Billing uch your park. Hi, Hey,

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01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: I was just calling in because I met Humaine on

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: a flight back from Done. Yeah. Yeah, and okays, he's

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01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: a fantastic, you know, young kid. He really knows what

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01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: he wants to do with himself. And uh, I mean,

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: he was so grateful just for me walking up to

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01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: him and greeting them. I told him, you know, I said, hey,

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: good luck in Buffalo, and he said best for all

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: of us. He just seems like a very good guy.

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01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: And he's humongous because he's long. He is a good guy. Thanks.

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01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: Thanks for that. Bill. Let's get to the tweet sheet

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01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: and answer to our question when do you start taking

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01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: player assessment? Seriously? Four practices is then enough. The tweet

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 1: sheet is brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the

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01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: official movies of the Buffalo Bills. Get started there, Stevie,

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01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: what Dot Daniels. As you approach the third preseason game,

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01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: you should have a good idea of who's most likely

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: will make the fifty three man roster. Hopefully you can

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: get through the summer as healthy as possible and a

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01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: player you weren't expecting to stand out shines and steals

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01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: a roster spot. That's fun for a lot of people, though, Murph.

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01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: When you, yeah, somebody that you take a liking to

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01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: and you know and actually sneaks in for a roster spot,

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: it's fun for I think a lot of that's the

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: funnest part about training camp for a lot of people

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: who are taking a favorite, taking a favorite having him

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01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, it's great before anybody else jumps on

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01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: the bandway absolutely right. Yeah, people do that. All'll be

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01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: doing on the sideline saying, all right, who's your who's

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01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: your training camp? Surprise? Right, And it's too early now

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: right four days in, but it we'll get there in

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01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: the next week or so. There's always surprises. Yeah, sipp

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01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 1: In the kool A tweets this, and I think you

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01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: need to take player assessments seriously. The first day of camp.

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: Granted it's not live game action against another opponent, but

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: often players practice how they will play in a game situation.

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: Camp has to matter because that's how you make the

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: fifty three. No question, it matters, and we're not arguing that, Yeah,

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01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: that's right. I just don't know if you make player

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01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: decisions whose stays, who goes after four practices. The Bills

1513
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: and we were talking about this off air maybe this morning.

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01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time together this time of year.

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: You made a good point of this training camp a

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: little bit different because not next week, but the week

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01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: after there's a trip to Spartanburg, South Carolina for a

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: couple of practices with the Carolina Panthers. It's sort of

1519
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: a dividing line, I think, maybe a demarcation point in

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: this training camp, right because it'll be different. It'll be

1521
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: different when they get the Carolina practicing against somebody knew

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01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: when this team shows up in Carolina and good play

1523
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: has two practices against the Carolina Panthers. For me and

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: looking at it, that is monumental. Those two practices. When

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: you get to line it up in practice in a

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01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: one on one situation against somebody you don't know, haven't

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01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: practice against, haven't seen, And it's as important to the

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01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: guy across from you as it is to you. Not

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: that it's not in training camp, but you know you're

1530
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: gonna get, you know, dozens of reps during training, training

1531
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: camp against all these guys that you know that you know, Yeah,

1532
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: when you go to the same guy, when you walk

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: in cold into training camp. It says a lot to

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01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: the coaching staff about how because let's face it, it's

1535
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: there's a human dynamic about going against somebody in a

1536
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: in a one on one thing in front of all

1537
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: your peers and your superior coaches, your authority, figures, the

1538
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: coaching staff, all your teammates, and his teammates and his

1539
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: coaching staff, and they're all watching you. You got to

1540
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: that's a pressure pack situation. Let alone the fact that

1541
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: it's a physical confrontation. You can imagine the intensity that

1542
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: gets ratcheted up in those situations that these these uh,

1543
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: these team practices you know where you're going to the

1544
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: other team. Man, oh man, it's I remember I did

1545
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: it my rookie year. We went to Denver. We practiced

1546
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 1: against the Denver Broncos oilers. Did the oiler Houston Oilers

1547
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: did and man, oh man, you talk about the tension

1548
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: in the one on one drills that the the intensity

1549
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: and the emotion level, Man, it is off the charts.

1550
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: That's gonna be an enormous week for a lot of

1551
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 1: the particularly the young guys who are going to step

1552
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: up to the plate and m and try and make

1553
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: this roster. I think it a lot goes into those

1554
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: team practices. Uh wow, it's and that I think that

1555
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: will go along. I think that has a lot of

1556
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: It carries a lot of credibility with how you do

1557
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: in that situation with coaching staffs across the league. The tension,

1558
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: that a high level of intensity would seem to explain

1559
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: why there are typically fights right when two teams get

1560
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: together and train against each other a training camp. Yeah,

1561
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: that intensity level is something that when when you get

1562
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: to certain parts of training camp and it does elevate.

1563
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: If you never have these inter squad scrimmages with these

1564
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: other teams, you know, that never gets ratcheted up to

1565
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: that point. And sometimes it has to happen within your

1566
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: own scrimmage. Maybe coach it will try and manufacture it

1567
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: in a live scrimmage setting or whatever. But man oh man.

1568
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: You when when you know something's alive, it means something.

1569
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: But also when you're going against another team, there's also

1570
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: that element of it's not just me going against this guy,

1571
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: it's us against them. So you're also representing your the

1572
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: rest of your teammates in that rep. It's it's a

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: rep that means a lot more and carries a lot

1574
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: more weight for your own personal career. So there's that

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: added into it. It's you m trying to impress not

1576
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: just the Buffalo Bill's coaching staff, but the Carolina Panthers

1577
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I mean, it's all of that wrapped into

1578
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: one and you one rep, you know, right, yeah, imagine that.

1579
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: You know it's a fifteen second rep that you're gonna

1580
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: take right now, and so and that all happens, and

1581
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: that all flashes through your mind. You know, in the

1582
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: five yards, you go from being in line to being

1583
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: the next guy up. You're you know, ride that roller

1584
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: coaster for a minute, right, you can, you can all

1585
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: we can all envision that. So standing in line is

1586
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: where the tension hits. You're watching, you're watching, and you're

1587
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: watching and you're kind of getting a feel for it

1588
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: and you're getting a feel for it. And I'll tell

1589
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: you this too. It's always kind of traditional. And I

1590
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: remember when we did it. There was a receiver who

1591
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: played for the Oilers. He led the AFC and receptions

1592
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: for a couple of years before I got there. Tim

1593
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: Smith was his name, wide receiver out in Nebraska. Well,

1594
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: we're going to the Oilers go to Denver to we're

1595
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: up in Greeley, Colorado, Colorado State, and you know it's

1596
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: our guy, Tim Smith, who is He takes the first

1597
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: rep in one on one against Louis Wright, the cornerback

1598
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos, who was it was a long

1599
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: time yeah, Pro Bowl guy. So it's those two guys

1600
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: who kick things off. You know, they go against you know,

1601
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: for them, just another rep. They know what's going on.

1602
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 1: But for the rest of it's like, you know, nobody

1603
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: else had the courage or the the gravita to just

1604
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: step up the front of line and say, I got

1605
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: this first rep out of the box. You know, Warren

1606
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: Moon's throwing the pass for us, John always throwing the

1607
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: pass for them. I mean it's a moment. Yeah, I

1608
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: think about it. I can't wait. You got you got

1609
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: Cam Newton taking let's go. He's he's calling them. He

1610
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: calls the rep he you know, calls the route for

1611
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: the guy and back in the I don't know who.

1612
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: I can't even name the guy who they will have

1613
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: as their top receiver would have been Steve Smith yea

1614
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: and of course Tavius White at the front of the

1615
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: line for the Bills for the corners. I mean, it's

1616
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: excited about. It's like you got guys like, you know,

1617
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: warming their shoulders up there standing in the background doing shoulders, shrugs,

1618
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: going all right, let's go, you know, kind of settling in.

1619
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: It's a big moment and it's pretty cool. I never

1620
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: thought i'd be excited about going to Wofford. I'm still not.

1621
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: One more from the tweets. Yeah, Wendy is we're talking

1622
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: about player assessment. Only four practices in for the Bills.

1623
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: Does it matter how guys are doing so far and

1624
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: what people think about how they're doing, Wendy, you start

1625
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: taking it seriously. One more on the tweet sheet, Wandering

1626
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: Jack says, I'd like to get a few preseason games

1627
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: in the books see where and how a guy is

1628
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: playing in the so called dress rehearsal. If he gets

1629
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: time with the ones that night and plays it, plays

1630
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: well it. We'll say a lot about where the coaches

1631
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: see him and how he may factor in. That's true.

1632
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: One of the things, Steve, that happens, I think, and

1633
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 1: you know before the first preseason game is played. In

1634
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: these preseason practices, is guys earn a shot to play

1635
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: in a preseason game. Right if you're on the bubble,

1636
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: if you need to make an impression, you make it now.

1637
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they'll say, hey, let's

1638
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: get a good healthy dose of player X when we

1639
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: go up against Indianapolis, and I wanted let's throw him

1640
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: in there and see what he can do. Let's see

1641
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: him compete, and they and they do that regularly. It's

1642
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting too because, like we've talked about, players evolved

1643
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: during training camp, and unfortunately for some of them, they devolve.

1644
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: It's an enormous job for the coaching staff is to

1645
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: keep their finger on the pulse of these guys. As

1646
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: the evolve or devolved through training camp, they get better,

1647
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: they thrive in the pressure, they play better when the

1648
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: competition's on, or guys shrink from that. But they don't

1649
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: do that. That says a lot, and you can imagine

1650
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: what the coaching staff thinks about a guy, and you

1651
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 1: know they want a guy who when the pressure is on,

1652
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: that's his moment. He you know, he embraces it, he

1653
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: likes jumps in like yeah, and he comes through for you.

1654
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: Those are players that you know you reach for as

1655
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: a coach. You know, those are the guys you you

1656
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: know you stand on the table say no, no, no, no,

1657
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: this is the guy I want when we're when it's

1658
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: fourth and goal from and it's the six and we

1659
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: got to have it. That's the kind of guy, the

1660
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: mentality you've got to have on the field. I want

1661
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: guys like that. So you get a coach who will

1662
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: stand on the table for you and help you make

1663
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: the make the roster. But you when you're in training

1664
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: camp and you're just taking rips and you wait for

1665
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: those moments, you gotta be ready to step up and say, Okay,

1666
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: this is it. I've got to be successful here and

1667
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: it's you know, you've got to be ready for that. Hey.

1668
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: More observations from yesterday's fourth training camp practice coming up

1669
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: after this. Plus we're gonna do what's for lunch, Steve.

1670
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna take us through lunch and the menu when

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: we return. Come on back, One Bill's Live, presented by

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01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: Galata Health. Come to you today from One Bill's Drive

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01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Back we got to show that's

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Speaker 1: flying by, and every once in a while you get

1675
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: these shows. Steve, it is flying I mean, I feel

1676
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: like we didn't. We barely got started and it's twenty

1677
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: minutes to two already, we're here until three once day

1678
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: late today and do let's go. I think you've already

1679
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: answered man talking about yesterday's training camp practice number four,

1680
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: No practice today. They're back on the practice field tomorrow

1681
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: nine forty five, back for an open practice for fans

1682
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: on Wednesday at nine forty five. You cannot go to

1683
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: practice tomorrow. One of the things we do is we

1684
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: talk about who won the day. Sometimes it's a unit,

1685
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a coach. Sometimes it's a player. Who won

1686
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: the day yesterday, My and only you know, I thought

1687
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: one the day. Kevin Johnson, the unrestricted free agent signe

1688
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: from the Houston Texans. Kevin Johnson signed fairly early on

1689
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: in free agency this year. And here's why I think

1690
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: he won the day. He was all over the field.

1691
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: You can watch Kevin Johnson to play the corner opposite

1692
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: Tredavious White, which is the obvious open spot. You can

1693
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: I watch Kevin Johnson move over and play in place

1694
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: of Tredavious. Got some snaps there yesterday, and you watch

1695
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: him fill in on a regular basis at the nickel corner.

1696
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: The guy. You know, he's talented, first round pick. He

1697
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: is good size, he's athletic enough, he gets good matchups

1698
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: and seems to hold his own. I really think Kevin

1699
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 1: Johnsons and I think they're in the process right now

1700
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: in this limited practice schedule that you pointed out there,

1701
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: in the process and finding out exactly what role do

1702
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: they want Kevin Johnson to play. And I'm kind of

1703
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: excited about that. I don't think there ain't question. They

1704
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: got a lot of faith in what he's doing. They

1705
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: like what they've seen. They're moving him all over the place.

1706
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: When Tavis White comes off the field, he's the guy

1707
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: right after him. To me, tells you all you want

1708
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: to know. He's playing the slot, he's playing the opposite

1709
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 1: corner and the number two corner opposite Tredavious. They're trying

1710
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: to find a way to get him on the field.

1711
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: And giving him all kinds of opportunity to show it,

1712
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: to show his skills and night if he comes out

1713
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: and play. And let's face it, when they signed him,

1714
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: he is uh. You know, people always go back and

1715
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: look at Sean McDermott and the defenses he had on

1716
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: the fielding Caroline as a defensive coordinator in Philly. Kevin

1717
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: Johnson is the prototypical type of corner. He was always

1718
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: looking for the guy with some length and some athleticism.

1719
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: He liked a little bit bigger corners, and certainly Kevin

1720
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: Johnson fits into that. And right now, you're right, Murph.

1721
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: The fact that they've found ways to get him on

1722
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 1: the field with the ones on defense in different roles

1723
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: shows you that they've got a lot of upside. They

1724
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: think he brings a lot of upside to the table. Yeah,

1725
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: it's almost like this guy looks good, right, Yes, everybody

1726
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: likes him. He looks good. Let's try him here, all right,

1727
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: it looks good there. Let's try me here. You know,

1728
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: you kind of get the sense of coach zaff is

1729
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: doing that. Sean McDermott was asked about Kevin Johnson yesterday. Johnson,

1730
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: of course, came to the Bills from the Houston Texans,

1731
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: where his position coach was John Butler now with the

1732
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: Bills as the Bills defensive backfield coach, and Sear McDermott

1733
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: was was asked about that and asked what his early

1734
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: impressions are of Kevin Johnson through the first couple of

1735
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: days of training camp. Yeah, a very good start, uh.

1736
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: And John was a was a big factor in that. Um,

1737
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: in knowing Kevin and also helping us recruit Kevin through

1738
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: the through the process, uh there and in the off season,

1739
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, Kevin's a guy that you know,

1740
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: I did a lot of work on when he came

1741
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: out and um, you know, I was in Carolina, he

1742
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 1: came out of Wake there, so UM had a pretty

1743
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: good feel for who he was as a player and

1744
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: some of the strengths and some of the areas that

1745
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: we felt like he would have to adjust in in

1746
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: terms of adjusting his game in the NFL. And UM,

1747
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: I think it's a classic case of a good, good

1748
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: football player, good person, highly competitive, and um again, he's

1749
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 1: off to off to a good start making plays on

1750
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: the football. Sean with with Kevin Johnson with a guy

1751
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: like that, with his injury history. Is there anything you

1752
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: do to try and address that, whether it be physically mentally,

1753
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, at least make some effort to Yeah, I

1754
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: would start with communication, UM, you know, a a just

1755
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: awareness around our building of what each player, not only

1756
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: in Kevin's situation, but in all their cases, you know,

1757
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: bringing in the number of guys we did and hey,

1758
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: each guy's you know, situation is a little bit different,

1759
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: and this guy has X. We're concerned about this, and

1760
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: let's get out in front of it. You know, we've

1761
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: got a tremendous medical staff and and and a sports

1762
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: science department UM, as well as the part of the

1763
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: new facility back home there that that um, you know,

1764
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: are put together to help us. UM, you know, make

1765
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: guys better here than maybe they've been elsewhere. And uh,

1766
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: and that's that's important on the field and off the field.

1767
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting if you got to be aware

1768
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: of Kevin Johnson's injury history. He had concussion what early

1769
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: last year kept him out all but one game last year.

1770
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: I think he had two early concussions, you know, minor concussions,

1771
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: and then he had a wrist injury. He's had a

1772
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: couple of bang ups and he's missed some time, but

1773
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm not at the point where I would worry too

1774
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: much about that. Right. He looks healthy now in the bills,

1775
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: as Sean said, have him going through their program and

1776
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: probably feel pretty good about what they've seen. And like

1777
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: Sean said, they get out in front of it. They

1778
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: assess all the injuries he's had in the past. You

1779
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: can even watch the film and how they happened. You know,

1780
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: you can see how it happened. But it's a little

1781
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: bit like we had Adam Kaplan kaplan On talking about

1782
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz. You kind of go back.

1783
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: None of it's not like he, oh, he broke his

1784
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: foot again, and he broke another foot again, you know

1785
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not like the same injury. It's

1786
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,839
Speaker 1: all these these unrelated things that have happened. And certainly

1787
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: the NFL is a rough sport. You got to get

1788
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: out in front of it. But if there's anything particularly

1789
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: like these, with these concussions that that he has sustained,

1790
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: you get kind of get out in front of it.

1791
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: You question everything about You get a baseline. You see

1792
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: how he's doing, how he recovered, how much time he

1793
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: had to recover between those two concussions, and then you

1794
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: do everything you can. For instance, like Murph to give

1795
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: me an example about Kevin Johnson, they may go to

1796
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: him and say, all right, we're gonna give you a

1797
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: different kind of helmet this time. We want you to

1798
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: get into a higher quality helmet or a different type

1799
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: of helmet to give you a better upside. It may

1800
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: feel funny for a while, or you may not like

1801
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: the fit of it, but if you get used to it,

1802
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: we think it'll protect you more, keep you from doing

1803
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: those kind of things with equipment and getting out in

1804
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: front of it, getting a baseline test and all that

1805
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 1: will give him an idea, give you an idea that

1806
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: you're out ahead of whatever injuries happened, because most of

1807
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: these injuries that you talk about with Kevin Johnson are

1808
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: completely unrelated to each other. It was the first round

1809
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: pick of the Texans in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, went

1810
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: to IR with a broken foot, twenty seventeen sprained his

1811
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: name is four games, had a concussion in preseason last

1812
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: year and a concussion in Week two and went to IR.

1813
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: So it's worth noting and you got to be aware

1814
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: of it. But I think the Bills feel pretty good.

1815
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 1: And I named him as a guy who one of

1816
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: the Day yesterday just because he was all over the field,

1817
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: just different positions. I think there are good things to

1818
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: add for Kevin Johnson and the Bill secondary. We're talking

1819
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: to you kind of. This is into our Twitter poll

1820
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: about you know, there's forty thousand opinions about guys everybody

1821
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: has could have the opposite opinions looking at the same thing. Now,

1822
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: if Kevin Johnson was a first round draft pick of

1823
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: this team and they were moving him to different spots around,

1824
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: it might be like a red flag. Yeah, he's not

1825
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: playing well here, Well let's move him over here. See

1826
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: if he plays well here, Todas we're doing that, we'd

1827
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: be alarmed. It's like, well, now let's move him over here.

1828
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,480
Speaker 1: He's That would be a red flag. On the contrary,

1829
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: with Kevin Johnson, particularly when Tardavious White moves off and

1830
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: you move him into his spots, it's just the opposite

1831
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: of that. They're getting. They're getting a sense of where

1832
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: they can move. And certainly he has the athleticism but

1833
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: be versatile enough to go inside, go outside, to play

1834
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: the right side, the left side, all of that stuff.

1835
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: So in this case, I think you and I are

1836
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 1: both interpreting it, and I think rightfully as a positive

1837
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: thing there. And with Shawn's answer to the question, he

1838
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, he's playing well, so you kind

1839
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: of get the idea that, Okay, they're not trying to

1840
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: hide him right right, this is a chance to get

1841
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: him a role and find out where he's best fitted

1842
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: with the people they have and where who they project

1843
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: to be in their secondary because let's face it, this

1844
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: is the secondary where you got guys out there that

1845
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: can really play. Oh yeah, you want to get him

1846
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: and maximize all of those guys as well. With Kevin

1847
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: Johnson's abilities out there, Go take a break. Coming back

1848
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: with more. One Bill Slide presented by Kalida Health from

1849
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome Backe, Andre

1850
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 1: Breed coming up on the show. Coming up in a

1851
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: couple of minutes here right after the top of the hour,

1852
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, John Murphy and are One Buffalo Studio. We're

1853
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: back at camp tomorrow. Bills are back practicing tomorrow. The

1854
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: next open public practice is Wednesday, Wednesday morning, ninety five.

1855
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: Steve the Big News over the weekend was the injury

1856
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: suffered by Bengals wide receiver aj Green torn ligaments in

1857
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: his left ankle. Expect you to be out six to

1858
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: eight weeks. This happened in the bengals first training camp

1859
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: practice of the season, and by the way, he is

1860
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: likely to miss their opener at Seattle. September eight, Bengals

1861
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: took their Actor Welcome Stadium up in Dayton, Ohio, the

1862
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: head or the stadium field for the Dayton Flyers football team,

1863
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: part of the NFL's one Under the Anniversary celebration. The

1864
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: conditions of the field in question. The Bengals cleared it,

1865
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 1: according to ESPN. The rest of their practice is by

1866
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: the way. In Cincinnati yesterday, Bengals wide receiver Tyler Boyd

1867
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: described the field conditions in Dayton as terrible. His quote,

1868
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: the turf was terrible. Couldn't run routes out there. I'm

1869
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: falling all over the ground. It was bad. It was

1870
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: rocks pebbles. Man, it was somewhere we shouldn't have been.

1871
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make any excuses, but it is

1872
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: what it is. Will you make all this, Steve, Yeah,

1873
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 1: it's bad. Right six to eight weeks. Agent Green is

1874
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: out a guy who is going into the last year

1875
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: of his contract, speculation about whether he would be trade

1876
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: bait for the Cincinnati Bengals, and now everything's complicated. Is

1877
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: he will miss the opener, be out six to eight weeks.

1878
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: They're on what some considered a subpar field. The Bengals

1879
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: have responded and said it was not. Bengals coach Zack

1880
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: Taylor said the field shouldn't be blamed. He said, I

1881
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: don't think the turf had anything to do with it. Yeah,

1882
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: it's and we showed the highlight right here. He was

1883
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: just running down the sideline, kind of jumped up for

1884
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: a pass, came down and it's interesting, though something as

1885
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: innocuous is that something was going on and whether whether

1886
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 1: his foot gripped differently, or maybe there was too much

1887
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: grip or not enough grip or too little grip for

1888
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: his foot coming down. Something gave out and it didn't

1889
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 1: look like a very intense play. He just kind of

1890
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: jumped up over the top of receiver or the defensive back,

1891
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: came down in a normal way. He didn't stumble or anything,

1892
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 1: but just started limping right away. I don't know, I

1893
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: don't know how you evaluate that, but certainly, if the

1894
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: players are complaining about the surface, and you can't tell

1895
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: the surface and look by looking at it on a

1896
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: film or on TV or anything like that, you have

1897
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: to go out there and really run around on it.

1898
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: If the players were complaining about it, Okay, I tend

1899
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 1: to trust him. Here's some of the subjects. The Bengals

1900
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 1: aren't considered by many to be one of the teams

1901
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: that cuts corners financially and maybe doesn't have the primary

1902
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: health interests of their players at the top of the list.

1903
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: That could play into the sea. It certainly could play

1904
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: into aj Green's decision on free agency or whether or

1905
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: not a request it's a trade, right, I mean, I mean,

1906
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: he feels as like he was put in peril to

1907
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: be on that field. I don't blame him. You can

1908
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: talk yourself into that scenario where you know, you know,

1909
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: he goes he like his outraged and was wondering about

1910
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: it to begin with. And the the overall atmosphere inside

1911
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati organization. Who knows. I mean, they've been criticized

1912
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: before in the past, as has every organization. I get it,

1913
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: and who knows if this will ever amount to anything

1914
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: more than a bump in the road to aj Green.

1915
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: But then again, you know the guy's going to be

1916
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: up due for a new deal. And and I was

1917
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: talking to you earlier. The league is really small these days,

1918
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: as is the world. You know, everybody can reach out

1919
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 1: and touch anybody else. You know, they can just text, tweet, whatever.

1920
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: And you get a fraternity the size of the NFL,

1921
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: where you got about a you know, a couple of

1922
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: thousand guys tops less than a couple of thousand guys

1923
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: involved in it. And some of the elite players know

1924
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: each other pretty well. I know where you're going with this.

1925
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: And let me say everything you described I think goes double.

1926
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: For receivers, they have their own absolutely, they're like, we'll

1927
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 1: talk to a Hall of Fame receiver in a minute.

1928
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: But they're like a Prima Donna club in many respects.

1929
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: They call it what you want, You name it whatever

1930
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: you want. But like the offen they are Remember think

1931
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: about it. The pass rushers are getting together for seminars now,

1932
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the left tackles and offensive line are getting together for

1933
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: seminars in the off season. They're talking, and they're they're

1934
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: getting to know each other socially. So get your point

1935
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 1: about the point is. The point is when it comes

1936
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: up to how is it on your team? How do

1937
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: you guys handle this, and they say, well, we handle

1938
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: like this. I think you are kidding me. That is awesome.

1939
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 1: We have nothing like that. You know, word gets out

1940
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: as to how the atmosphere every day you go to

1941
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: work is inside your building. It's a small league. Word

1942
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: gets out. And if your team handles it one way

1943
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: and it's an and the players don't like it, and

1944
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: your team handles it a different way and the players

1945
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: really do like it and they say it's commonplace, and

1946
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: it's like that means a lot in your recruiting of

1947
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: free agents and how bad guy guys don't want to

1948
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: play in places that are poor work environments, just like

1949
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 1: everybody else, you know, and if they've got a choice,

1950
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna make it. And it's based on stuff like that,

1951
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: particularly in this case. So if you've got a team

1952
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this is the way it is

1953
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: and we're calling anybody out, but if it's like that

1954
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati and they get an atmosphere where players, you know,

1955
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: the team really doesn't care that much, right if they

1956
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 1: feel that way, whether it is or not. And if

1957
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: they see that the grass is always greener. There's a

1958
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: little bit of that as well. But if they see

1959
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: it and they hear it from players like themselves, that hey,

1960
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: it's way different over here in this place, it does

1961
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: carry weight. And I think we're in an atmosphere around

1962
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: the National Football League where players put that at the

1963
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: top of their priority list when it comes time for

1964
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: a new deal, it comes free agency and things like that.

1965
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: So it does make a difference on it. I think

1966
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 1: at some level. Yep, all right, we got a breakcare

1967
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: When we come back, Andre Reid's going to join US Seeds.

1968
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,799
Speaker 1: Getting said I would assume for Hall of Fame weekend

1969
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 1: coming up this weekend, believe it or not in Canton, Ohio. Andre,

1970
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: when we return, come on back. One Bill's Live presented

1971
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: by Kalida Health from One Bill's Drive Today. This is

1972
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio Balo Bill's Radio Network. Stories Up. They

1973
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: comes from One Bill's Drive. The Bills off camp today,

1974
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: players and coaches with the day off after four or

1975
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: five days at Saint John Fisher College in Rochester. They're

1976
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: back in Rochester tomorrow for a nine forty five am practice.

1977
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: It is closed to the public. Next open public practice

1978
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: is Wednesday morning at ninety five. On Friday this coming week,

1979
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 1: it's the return of the Blue and the Red. The

1980
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: Bill's night practice six fifteen pm at New Airfield will

1981
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: be out of training camp tomorrow as well. Around the league,

1982
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: Jets free agent wide receiver Jamison Crowder is dealing with

1983
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 1: a foot injury again. He left the practice field today

1984
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: after injuring his foot his left foot. After practice, coach

1985
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 1: Adam Gay said he's being evaluated and will undergo an MRI.

1986
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 1: He's twenty six year old hes seven games last year

1987
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 1: with the Redskins. With the right ankle injury, the Bengal

1988
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: is going to be without wide receiver aj Green for

1989
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: six to eight weeks. Is not expected to be ready

1990
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: for the irregular season opener September eighth at Seattle. Green

1991
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: tour ligaments in his left ankle over the weekend. Carted

1992
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: off the field Saturday during the Bengals first training camp

1993
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: practice of the season at Dayton, Ohio, at the home

1994
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: field of the Dayton Flyers football team the Dolphins, they're

1995
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: running when they make mistakes. First year head coach Brian

1996
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: Flores stopped practice three times yesterday and send either the

1997
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: offense or defense running to the wall as punishment for

1998
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: their mental mistakes, and Michael Bennett arrived. Finally, a couple

1999
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: of days later New England Patriots training camp, all as

2000
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 1: well used absences, with the excuse coming from head coach

2001
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. He said he had the family issues to

2002
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: take care of, so he was excused on the first

2003
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: few camps. Vincent Testaverdi, the son of Vinny Testaverdie, has

2004
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: been signed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Vincent Testaverdie played

2005
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 1: his college football at the University of Albany, right down

2006
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: the road. His father, Vinnie, was the number one overall

2007
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: pick of the Tampa Bay Bucks in nineteen eighty seven.

2008
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: Vincent Testaverdie signs with the Bucks yesterday. Collective bargaining talks

2009
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 1: between the NFL and its union were postponed today. They

2010
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: will reschedule for the first week of August. One time

2011
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: Bill's running back and Chargers running back Keith link And,

2012
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: a five time AFL All Star, passed away over the

2013
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: weekend and Pullman Watchington he was eighty years old, and

2014
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 1: the Bisons at home tonight. They've got a two game

2015
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: series against the Rochester Red Wing seven oh five tonight

2016
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 1: at salin Field. That's the update from one Bill Drive,

2017
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: John Murphy and Steve Tasker back here, getting set to

2018
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: go back to training camp. One guy not at training

2019
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: camp yet, but he was always pretty good at training camp.

2020
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: On the line with us right now, Pro Football Hall

2021
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: of Fame and duct five years ago, sixteen seasons in

2022
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 1: the league with the Bills, and Watchington, former Bills wide

2023
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: receiver from eighty five through ninety nine. Happy to have

2024
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: Fall of Famer Andre Red on the line with us. Hello,

2025
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 1: Andre's John Murphy's team taker upper in Buffalo. How are

2026
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 1: you doing? How are you guys doing? What's what's happening

2027
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: up there? Hey? You got all those stats, right man?

2028
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: That's good the whole point. We do the least amount

2029
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: of homework we can do, but we do a little bit. Hey,

2030
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: Steve and Ira, are you going to Canton this weekend? Then?

2031
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: Will you be there? Yes, I'm actually leaving on Wednesday.

2032
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: I have something to do in Chicago Wednesday. I'll be

2033
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: in Canton on Thursday, just before the Hall of Fame game,

2034
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: So I get there Thursday evening. What's that weekend like

2035
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: for you? Now? Five years in as a Hall of

2036
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: Famer what are you doing that weekend in Canton. Well,

2037
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 1: let me tell you it's uh, it's always great to

2038
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: see those gold jackets. And that guy's sitting right next

2039
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 1: to you should have a gold chack jacket two. So

2040
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: there's there's no doubt about team that I'm lobbying from Steve.

2041
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: And Steve already knows that and he always said, man whatever,

2042
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: But you know what, it wouldn't be complete without him.

2043
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 1: Him and Ken holl and you know, probably a couple

2044
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: of the guys next to to me, Thurm and Jim

2045
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: and Bruce and Marvin, you know, Ralph and everybody else.

2046
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: That would be uh, you know, very complete to have

2047
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: those guys with us because they're part of they're part

2048
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: of my success. But what are you what are you

2049
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: looking forward to most when you get to Kenton? Um?

2050
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: You know the speeches I think anytime you know these

2051
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: guys that when we get there and you go in

2052
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 1: the hotel there and it's a very exclusive hotel that

2053
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: only Hall of famers and their families are invited. And

2054
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: but to see the new guys and see them coming

2055
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: in and seeing they look a little bit nervous because

2056
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: the speeches are you know, the speech of their life

2057
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: and it's it's pretty pretty cool now after five years,

2058
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: because I just was like that too that you know,

2059
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 1: I was so worried about my speech and saying the

2060
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: right things and not missing anybody. But to see those

2061
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 1: guys and and what what Hall of Fame weekend is about.

2062
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, football is the is

2063
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 1: the greatest sport on the planet. And to see all

2064
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: those guys together and see all the fans, and it's

2065
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: the start of the football season, so it's a it's

2066
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: a great a great atmosphere. I always tell people that

2067
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: whenever I go to Canton and I'm like a little

2068
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: kid again, because that's what you uh, you know, the

2069
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: first time you picked up the ball and you put

2070
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 1: the helmet on. For the last time you you put

2071
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: the help took took the helmet off. You always remember

2072
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: that the stuff in between is As years go on,

2073
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: you remember more and more and more about all that

2074
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 1: stuff in between those two times, and when you go

2075
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: to Canton, it kind of brings it all back. It's

2076
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: a real special time. Steve qu do you go to

2077
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: Andrea's induction that year? Of course, yeah, I got that's

2078
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable settings for a party. Your

2079
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: party um in Canton, Andrea after your induction in the

2080
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: top floor of that like private club in downtown Canton.

2081
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: That was an amazing setting for a party. It was

2082
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 1: a great party too. Yeah. And actually that year, you know,

2083
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: basically years before that, they had all the parties on

2084
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: the premises there at the Hall. And I don't know

2085
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: if I was the guy that said, Okay, I want

2086
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: to take it off the premises and take you know,

2087
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: take it to another place. I'm not going to say

2088
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: I was the guy that did that. But it was

2089
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: a great atmosphere. Was on the third floor there. If

2090
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: you guys remember you had to go up like three

2091
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 1: three flights of steps. Yeah, had an elevator and it

2092
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: was really it was put together well you know, I

2093
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: think you know the bills for being a part of

2094
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 1: that and putting that together. And again we got one

2095
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: or two more left, so that's uh, that's what I'm

2096
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: waiting on. You know. They were great parties. One more

2097
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame question for you, Andre. And Steve made

2098
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: this point, we're talking about you and what you're up

2099
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 1: to these days, and Steve said he's busy being a

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01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. What does that mean? What does what

2101
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: does a Hall of Famer do? You make appearances? A

2102
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: lot of appearances, right, that's a pretty good question, Murph, because, uh,

2103
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, once you become one and all the kind

2104
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: of stuff goes away to a certain point. We're all

2105
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: ambassadors of the game and we all try to you know,

2106
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame has you know, honor the heroes

2107
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 1: of the game, preservist history, celebrate excellence everywhere. There's a

2108
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: motto there and a lot of guys that are in

2109
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: the Hall try to stick by that mato. It's just

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01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:25,560
Speaker 1: in what you did on the field is what you

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01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: do all the field. And with my reading program and

2112
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 1: how I'm pat kids in the boys and Girls club

2113
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: all over the country. Now, that's just a testament of

2114
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 1: what football has done for me, and I try to

2115
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: relay that, relay that to kids. Then you know, you

2116
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,560
Speaker 1: can do anything you want to do. You can be

2117
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:45,839
Speaker 1: anybody you want to be. It doesn't have to be sports.

2118
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:49,600
Speaker 1: But if you have a passion for something and you

2119
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,880
Speaker 1: work hard, you know, that's really the main thing. That's

2120
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: what we try to get across to our youth, to

2121
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: our kids that working hard works and if you work hard,

2122
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna get positive results from it. So that's uh,

2123
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 1: really what a lot of the Hall of Famers stick by,

2124
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: and that's uh, you know what they go by every day.

2125
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 1: They represent the Hall because they played there, but they

2126
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: represent the Hall because of the person they became because of,

2127
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: you know, playing football and all the people that they

2128
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: met in between the well. I was a teammate of

2129
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: yours for eleven seasons in Buffalo and one of the

2130
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,719
Speaker 1: things I noticed I got there early in your career,

2131
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: and the thing I noticed about you and the reason

2132
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: you're in the Hall of Fame andres because you worked

2133
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: really hard in the offseason. You came back every year

2134
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: significantly better than when you left the year before. Now,

2135
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, another training camp has kicked off in the

2136
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 1: National Football League. He traveled out and you've been to

2137
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:44,799
Speaker 1: training camps a couple of times. A lot has obviously changed,

2138
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: but really, the great ones like yourself, like Bruce, Jim Thurman,

2139
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: the great ones realized and you see it around the

2140
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: league even now. The greatest guys are the ones who

2141
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: work the hardest. There's still that aspect of the NFL

2142
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: that has never changed. Correct, Yeah, you're absolutely right, And

2143
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: I think you know the core guys in the NFL

2144
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 1: right now, you know all the core guys. And with

2145
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: social media, these guys have way. You know, Stephen, we

2146
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: came in the league. There was no social media. You

2147
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: couldn't just film yourself and then you know, click a

2148
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: button and everybody sees it. You can't, you know, back then,

2149
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 1: you couldn't do that. So social media really plays a

2150
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 1: big part in what these guys do in the offseason.

2151
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: And it's good and it's bad. You know, social media

2152
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: is good and bad for for athletes, for everybody. But

2153
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 1: they have more avenues now to show people what they're

2154
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 1: doing and how they're doing it. And you know it

2155
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: still you gotta work hard. It doesn't matter. And these

2156
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 1: players nowadays know that training camps aren't as tough as

2157
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 1: they used to be. Steve, you know that. And they

2158
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: always call our training camp well else club Marv. You know,

2159
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: Marv had a little streak in them. You know that

2160
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: mar Marba get a little rally sometimes. But I think

2161
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 1: one thing about Marv as a head coach, and I'm

2162
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: sorry to get off to the subject of it, is

2163
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: that he trusted us. You know, he trusted us, that

2164
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: we were going to come in shape and that we

2165
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: were going to work hard, and we weren't going to

2166
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 1: rest on what we did the year before. We're going

2167
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: to try to go out and be better. And that's

2168
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: why we worked for four Super Bowls in a row,

2169
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: because we didn't settle for losing. The one of the

2170
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 1: other things, sorry to want to ask you, is one

2171
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: of the other things that's different about the NFL now.

2172
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,679
Speaker 1: And certainly the money has gotten big, but it also

2173
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: that money and social media that you referred to has

2174
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 1: allowed the league to become somewhat smaller and you'll see

2175
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 1: players from other teams. We just had this conversation about

2176
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 1: aj Green and Cincinnati. Players from other teams, particularly the

2177
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 1: elite players will band together. They'll get together, and they'll

2178
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: start to train together, become friendly and exchange training tips

2179
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: or route tips. But one of the other things they

2180
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 1: exchange is the thoughts and feelings they have about the

2181
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: franchises they play for. And that is a big factor

2182
01:43:56,520 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 1: in free agency, is that do you hear about that

2183
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: as well? You know, these guys trained together and and

2184
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 1: that becomes really the selling point for each franchise, and

2185
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: free agency is what players that play for them think

2186
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 1: about that team. Yeah, and it's all about leverage, you know.

2187
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: We leverage has been going on since the NFL started,

2188
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 1: of having that kind of power of what you've done.

2189
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look what's happening with Ezekiel Elliott and all

2190
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 1: these running backs, and you know, they they come in

2191
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 1: because they look at what the other guy has done

2192
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 1: and what the other guys getting paid. And it doesn't

2193
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: change over time, it hasn't changed. And people talk about, well,

2194
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, you should get into training camp. It doesn't

2195
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: matter that it really does, because your longevity in the league,

2196
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 1: especially as a running back is only what maybe seven

2197
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 1: to ten years if if you're lucky. And that's the

2198
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 1: way these guys look at it. They want to use

2199
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 1: that leverage, you know, to better themselves in the market

2200
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 1: wherever it may be. And you know, it's just it's

2201
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: been like that forever. And it doesn't matter what position

2202
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 1: they play. They look at basketball. I mean, bron and

2203
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. You know, these guys get together and say, hey, man,

2204
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: come on, come play with us. You know basketball is

2205
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 1: a little different, but you know they want to get

2206
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 1: together because they want to win championships. That's you can't

2207
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 1: fall them for that, and that's what these guys in

2208
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 1: the NFL want to do. But you know, it's a

2209
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: little bit different infel in basketball. For sure, we're on

2210
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,679
Speaker 1: the line with Pro Football Hall of Famer Andre Reid

2211
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: who played with the Bills sixteen seasons in the NFL,

2212
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: seven Pro Bowls appearances in sixteen NFL seasons Andrey one thing,

2213
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: and we're just the Bills are just in camp now

2214
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 1: for four days. But every year when I go to camp,

2215
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 1: I think back to obviously the mid eighties when you

2216
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,879
Speaker 1: were coming up what a fourth round pick from cutsdown?

2217
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: But as you want, I remember every year in preseason

2218
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 1: I'd be doing a game with the late great Van

2219
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: Miller and at some point I would say to Van,

2220
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, Andre is a different player every year. You

2221
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 1: came to camp every year, not just in shape, but

2222
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 1: you would added bulk or size or speed or something.

2223
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: You didn't waste that time when in the offseason did you?

2224
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: And I have to think they had a lot to

2225
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 1: do with the Hall of Fame career that you had

2226
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And I think you know, as players, uh,

2227
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, anytime I came into camp, it's not that

2228
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to be better. I had to be better

2229
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 1: in order for the team to be better. And what

2230
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 1: was expected out of me, um, you know what was

2231
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 1: expected out of Steve and Jim and Thurman and Bruce

2232
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 1: and all these guys. And you know, guys like Kenny

2233
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Davis had to step up his game because he knew

2234
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: Thurman was in front of him and he was gonna play,

2235
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: so he had to be ready. And I think, you

2236
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: know that's if I would if I can say that's

2237
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: an old added, I mean, that's probably not true because

2238
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 1: that's the mentality you need to have. And in this

2239
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: game today because of the way training camps are, I mean,

2240
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: it's more in the classroom now than it is on

2241
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: the field. And when you do see him on the field,

2242
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 1: they're in they're in shells. You know, they might get

2243
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 1: in full pads one, but they're not banging heads and

2244
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 1: getting crazy like they used to. So the game has

2245
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: become more mental and become more analytic than it has

2246
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: in the past. So these guys have to realize, yeah,

2247
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 1: you have to be in shape or that's gonna be

2248
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,640
Speaker 1: on you if you get hurt. But there's a lot

2249
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: of guys that get hurt now more. I think I

2250
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: don't know what the percentage of. If you guys can

2251
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 1: look that up, there's more guys that get hurt now

2252
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 1: than they did fifteen years ago because there's no pounding

2253
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 1: and there's no nothing going on in training camp where

2254
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,200
Speaker 1: your body has to get used to that. And I

2255
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm right or wrong, but maybe you

2256
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:37,679
Speaker 1: guys can say something on that. That's what I see

2257
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: guys not even getting touched. I don't know how. Yeah,

2258
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,120
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know that. It's a good it's a

2259
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,560
Speaker 1: good question, and I'm sure they're doing the studies on it,

2260
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: because the league does that kind of thing. I did

2261
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 1: have one question for you about you're you're in the

2262
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and what's your What do you think

2263
01:47:53,640 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 1: your place in history is as the first quintessential slot receiver.

2264
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: The Bills kind of were the first team to use

2265
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 1: their base personnel and go three wide. You were a

2266
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: slot receiver, and at that time, you were an outside

2267
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 1: receiver who moved inside. You were a big dude by

2268
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: any stretch, even as an outside receiver, and yet you

2269
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: played in the slot. That was your strength and you

2270
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: were good down inside. You're really strong on the ball.

2271
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: What do you think your place is in the history

2272
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 1: of the game as a guy who may be pioneered

2273
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 1: that spot that has become so prevalent these days. That's

2274
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 1: a good questions to you. I think, you know, I

2275
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 1: just was just a part of a you know, I'm

2276
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 1: not going to say then, I am going to say

2277
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 1: I was a part of a system that used me

2278
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 1: at my best talent or what I did best. And

2279
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 1: I think when Jim came in and we changed coordinators

2280
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, all those years, we

2281
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: used everybody in what position they were in to the

2282
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:51,800
Speaker 1: fullest of their potential. And if you look at guys,

2283
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: I mean, people always ask me, well, who do you

2284
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 1: think now in the league resembles you? Who would you say,

2285
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 1: what receiver really resembled umbles you? And I would say,

2286
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, Keenan Allen from from the Sanity of San

2287
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: Diego Chargers. See I'm still saying San Diego, well the

2288
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 1: LA Chargers, because he kind of does some of the

2289
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: similar stuff that I used to do in there. He's

2290
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: not going to really beat you deep and that's not

2291
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: what the Chargers do with him. And I wouldn't say

2292
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 1: he's a possession receiver. You know, he's a guy that

2293
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 1: gets the eight, nine, ten yards, which but you have

2294
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: to tackle him and if you don't, he's gonna get ten,

2295
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 1: fifteen more and maybe break one. Sou The game has

2296
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:34,839
Speaker 1: changed in a lot of ways in every single position,

2297
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 1: and this is still a quarterback driven league. It's it's

2298
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:40,560
Speaker 1: always been. If you don't have the quarterbacks and the

2299
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,719
Speaker 1: guy calling the plays and you know, making the calls,

2300
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have trouble. And all the best teams have

2301
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,680
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks and that's uh, you know that's not going

2302
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: to change because that's really where it starts, because it's

2303
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: a passing league, and you know, guys passed more now

2304
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 1: than they ever did in the past ten fifteen years.

2305
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 1: So I think I was just you utilized in what

2306
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 1: we did, but how we did it? I think people

2307
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: asking me people think it asked me all the time,

2308
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: well how did they know how to work? What was

2309
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: the main key to the no huddle? And I said, well,

2310
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't Jim calling the plays at the line all

2311
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: the time. It was guys being in the right places,

2312
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 1: knowing their assignments and then winning your one on one

2313
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:25,840
Speaker 1: battles or are you winning your battles. Andre Reid Pro

2314
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame around the light with a signer.

2315
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 1: I want to get to a little bit of what

2316
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 1: you're working on these days, including a kind of a

2317
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,800
Speaker 1: new endeavor called read with read A D three R

2318
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: E A DD with R E D eighty three. What

2319
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: do you got to mind there? What are you doing

2320
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: with that? Well? I've been doing this for about four

2321
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 1: years now, Okay, I was I was a Boys and

2322
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Girls Club kid growing up, and I know how important

2323
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 1: the Boys and Girls Club was for me in my life.

2324
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, they set the foundation for me to be

2325
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 1: who I am today. And that's just not the football player,

2326
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 1: that's the person. And the Boys and Girls Club has

2327
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 1: been around since the eighteen sixties and now, you know,

2328
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 1: I go around and tell these kids how important, not

2329
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 1: only how important reading is, but give them all the

2330
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: tools and all the stuff that they look at me

2331
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 1: and they say, well, I can be like him. And

2332
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 1: you know what's better than the kid looking at you

2333
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 1: and wants to be like him and wants to do

2334
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: the things that you do. Um. You know that's really

2335
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: the beauty of what my program does. It's to build

2336
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 1: confidence and know that they can do and do be

2337
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 1: anything they want to be. So that's a you know,

2338
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 1: we go all around the country. We impact about five

2339
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,639
Speaker 1: thousand kids a day with this reading program. Matter of fact,

2340
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: right from Canton, I go to Kansas City and we're

2341
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 1: taking like fifteen kids or training camp and they get

2342
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 1: to meet you know, maybe Patrick Mahomes or or Tyreek

2343
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 1: Hill or whoever, or Sammy a matter of fact, I

2344
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 1: probably will see Sammy, you know, you know, shake Sammy

2345
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 1: Watkins hand. So that's the incentive. But that's a big

2346
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,639
Speaker 1: thing for these kids because they'll remember that the rest

2347
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: of their lives and it'll just you know, be put

2348
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 1: something in the back of their head that if you

2349
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 1: work hard and you do the things you're supposed to do,

2350
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 1: these things kind of happen. So that's what that program,

2351
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: our program does. And you want to encourage kids to

2352
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: read what at least a half hour a day, thirty

2353
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 1: minutes a day, read a half hour a day, because

2354
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: let's face it, man, the statistics are astronomical that people

2355
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,600
Speaker 1: can't read. Yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of

2356
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 1: people that can't read. And you guys, if you couldn't read,

2357
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: couldn't do what you do. That's right. So that's I

2358
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: think people take that for granted and don't realize how

2359
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: important that is. Um in life. That's great and it's

2360
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of uh, your involvement with the Boys and Girls

2361
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 1: Club is great? On right. I bet you feel you

2362
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: must feel like it keeps you young. To me around

2363
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 1: kids all the time, huh, well, you know I'm not

2364
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 1: getting no younger here, guy. I want you to know that.

2365
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 1: You know, Steve just gobbles off acrotch of the old

2366
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 1: man earlier today right here on the show. Yeah, you

2367
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't recognize me, I know exactly exactly, but it keeps

2368
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 1: me young man. You're right, You're right, it does. And

2369
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 1: and I've always been a vibrant kind of guy. And

2370
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: I love the kids and they keep me, they keep

2371
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 1: me young, and I just like to see smiles on

2372
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: their face. Man, A smile goes a long way in life.

2373
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: And you never know, in ten years from now, I

2374
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: see that same kid that smiles at me, that's doing

2375
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: something great. And that's that's truly what it's about. Thanks guys,

2376
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 1: thanks for having me enjoy training camp, and uh, um,

2377
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, I look forward to seeing these guys this year.

2378
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about, you know, not only what Sean's doing,

2379
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 1: but I'm excited to see Josh in the second year.

2380
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:44,720
Speaker 1: He's he's grown. I'm sure he has grown. Um, the

2381
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 1: additions that we made, uh in the receivers with Cole

2382
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: Beasley and John Brown along with you know, Robert Foster

2383
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:53,759
Speaker 1: and Zay I think you know, we got a pretty

2384
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 1: solid receiving corps. Now, Um, we got two veterans, you know,

2385
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 1: running backs that can, that can tote the ball. And

2386
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: the defense, I mean, the defense is always going to

2387
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 1: be there. I think with Ed Oliverer, you got a

2388
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 1: beast in the middle there that's gonna disrupt and do

2389
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 1: some good things this year. So I'm looking forward to

2390
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 1: seeing him guys this year and probably come up to

2391
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 1: a couple of games one or two, and you know

2392
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: it's time to unseat these Patriots. Man, not kidding there

2393
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: you go, no kidding. Thanks Andre Good talking to the

2394
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: f funding Canton this weekend. You gotta guys appreciate it.

2395
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 1: Andre Reid, former Bills receiver sixteen seasons in the NFL,

2396
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 1: seven Pro bowled appearances of Pro Football Hall of Fame

2397
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: in ductee five years ago twenty fourteen, doesn't seem like

2398
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 1: it was five years ago. It does. Steve No, No,

2399
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 1: he's now and he's one of those guys that position.

2400
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 1: There's a couple bunch of guys had to wait their turn,

2401
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: you know him, Chris Carter, Tim Brown, even Marvin Harrison,

2402
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: a lot of man I played in a great era

2403
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 1: for a wide receivers that they were a bunch of

2404
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: really good was James Lofton was on that list for

2405
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: a while. It was just awesome to see Andre go

2406
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: in with where he belongs. It was great and he

2407
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 1: deserved it. Yep. I was thinking Andrea went in in

2408
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. When did Bill Polian go in? Do you recall?

2409
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 1: Let me look it up, because here's the point I

2410
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:09,720
Speaker 1: want to make, um. Bill Polian went in twenty fifteen

2411
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 1: the next year and nobody since. So it's been four

2412
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: years since a Buffalo connection. And you know what, when

2413
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 1: you go a couple of years without going to the

2414
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame, you're thinking, all right, I'm

2415
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 1: ready to go back. Yeah, you know what I mean.

2416
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to go every year and cover it

2417
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 1: every year. It's just it's a you know, it's a

2418
01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 1: complication in the middle of the training camp. But every

2419
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,120
Speaker 1: four or five years it's like, okay, time to go back.

2420
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you it. It was so awesome to

2421
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 1: go when you know, we had a bunch of them.

2422
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean we had you know, Bruce, Marv, Jim, James Lofton, Andre,

2423
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: Bill Polian, Andrea and Ralph. Yeah, hey guys, it was

2424
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: every single time we did it. Um was unique and special.

2425
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:56,680
Speaker 1: Um it was so awesome. It was just it's and

2426
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 1: and and I gotta tell you tip your hat to

2427
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 1: can't know Ohio, small little town and northeast Ohio. They

2428
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 1: do it right. They they've got it wired and dialed in.

2429
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 1: So you show up there, there's you really have to

2430
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 1: try hard not to really enjoy it and to have

2431
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. All the old players are in

2432
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 1: from all the teams, every you know, it's a big celebration.

2433
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 1: So it's not just those seven guys in the Hall

2434
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 1: of Fame that are inducted into that class. It's all

2435
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 1: their teammates, all their old coaches. It's it's pretty awesome

2436
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 1: and it was fun to be a part of it.

2437
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 1: And you guys, your group probably did it better than

2438
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:32,800
Speaker 1: anybody else. And I've heard Joe Hargan and a long

2439
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 1: time people have been at the Hall of Fame say

2440
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:37,480
Speaker 1: that when Buffalo guys going in, people go all out,

2441
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: including fans, it really does. It changed. And I'll tell

2442
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:42,800
Speaker 1: you this, you forget and this is the true. I

2443
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 1: give Jim all the credit for this. Everything changed in Canton, Ohio.

2444
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 1: On induction weekend when Jim Kelly got inducted into the

2445
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame, they asked Jim, they called

2446
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 1: him and said, how many people do you think you're

2447
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna be bringing down? Do you think you're coming? He goes, well,

2448
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 1: I got like thirty five bus loads. They were like,

2449
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 1: they got thirty five forty people. He goes, no, no, no,

2450
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 1: I got thirty five or forty bus loads of people

2451
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 1: from Buffalo coming to Canton, Ohio. That is the year

2452
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 1: it went from Remember it used to be on the

2453
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: steps of the maybe maybe what fifteen hundred people sitting

2454
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 1: out there and it was out in the hot sun.

2455
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 1: That year they said what are we gonna do? And

2456
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 1: that's when it began to be in the stadiums. They

2457
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 1: moved into the stadium. It became the huge spectacle rock

2458
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 1: concert event, kind of major event television event that it

2459
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 1: is today, and it was Jim because when Jim went in,

2460
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:41,280
Speaker 1: it was the first time Buffalo it had had anybody

2461
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 1: going in for anything, and he was a first ballot guy.

2462
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 1: And it was Jim and all of Western New York

2463
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 1: showed up to that thing. It was awesome and that

2464
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: that changed everything for the Hall of Fame. Joe and

2465
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I don't know if they

2466
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 1: really connotate, which I do because I was. It was

2467
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 1: awesome because Marv did it on the front step of

2468
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: the Whole of Fame. Yes he did. And then when

2469
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 1: Jim went in, it was it was so we're due, right,

2470
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 1: We've got to find something. You would be a candidate

2471
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: obviously Andrea said that, right, But after four or five

2472
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 1: years not going, you feel like, Okay, I'm ready to

2473
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 1: go back. And I have a reason though for us.

2474
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going down there for if there

2475
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:21,960
Speaker 1: any class. I'm talking to a couple of guys yesterday. Yeah. Yeah,

2476
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:24,600
Speaker 1: you know who's going is Chris Jenkins, who we worked

2477
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 1: with a lot here median content. He's going this weekend.

2478
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,040
Speaker 1: Does he work No, No, he was. He was very

2479
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: close with Gil Brand. Worked with Gil Brand as a

2480
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:33,160
Speaker 1: young guy, and so he's going down to celebrate Gil Brand.

2481
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 1: What a guy. What about his iconic figure as well?

2482
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 1: Congratulations to him he deserves. Yeah, we're going we'll talk

2483
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,320
Speaker 1: a lot about the Hall of Fame this week as

2484
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 1: it approaches, but we want to get Andrea into talk

2485
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: about that. Talking about training camp and our Twitter poll today.

2486
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 1: We'd love you to participate either on the phones on Twitter.

2487
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you can vote in the Twitter poll here. It

2488
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:54,160
Speaker 1: is four practices in the books, forty thousand opinions floating

2489
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 1: around about who's doing what about players? Why do you

2490
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: start taking those player assessments seriously? I'll give us a call.

2491
01:58:59,720 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 1: We'll discuss eight o three five fifty or twelve three

2492
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 1: from outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty two

2493
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 1: five fifty. Send it a tweet. We might read it

2494
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet. Vote in the Twitter poll right now.

2495
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Almost half of you forty seven percent say you start

2496
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 1: taking the player assessment seriously after the third preseason game.

2497
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 1: Twenty six percent say you wait until right before the

2498
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: start of the regular season, eighteen percent say the first

2499
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 1: preseason game. Ten percent have something else in mine. Let's

2500
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 1: discuss phone line's wide open eight o three five fifty

2501
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: n towel three one eight eight eight five fifty two

2502
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: five fifty. I think one of the final straw for me,

2503
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 1: not the final straw. I think the final take for

2504
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 1: me on this is when I would start taking player

2505
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:40,440
Speaker 1: assessments seriously because I know how hard the coaches work

2506
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 1: at it. I know how intimately involved they are with

2507
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 1: all the players on their roster. I think, to me,

2508
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 1: when you take them seriously, the player assessments and final cutdown, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they go from when they go from seventy five down

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Speaker 1: to fifty three, those are the guys that have made it.

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Speaker 1: And that's when you think you look back on all

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Speaker 1: the assessments that have happened up to that point and said,

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01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 1: these are the guys, and that's uh. That's when the

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Speaker 1: coaches put their jobs and their reputation and their season

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Speaker 1: on the line with the fifty three guys they pick

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Speaker 1: before you go into that regular season opener. What do

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Speaker 1: you think we'll take your calls, We'll take a break,

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Speaker 1: come back, take calls, read some tweets, and talk more

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Speaker 1: about the Bills and training camp. Come on back, One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back one Billes Live tasker tomorrow at this time

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Speaker 1: you will see his life from Bill's training camp. We're

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Speaker 1: just talking about how we've done a couple of shows

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Speaker 1: there and we I feel like we're ready to hit

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Speaker 1: the ground running tomorrow. Right. Yeah, just just going to routine,

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Speaker 1: just go with it, watch practice, make observations, get a

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Speaker 1: couple of guests, get a couple of enjoy the sunshine.

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02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:47,080
Speaker 1: Got to solve the lunch lunch issue there. Yeah, we don't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true. What the biggest problem is who we think?

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Speaker 1: Who do we need to have on the show, Murphy.

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02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just have a little buster. We got

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Speaker 1: ninety one players on the roster. We've had, we've here

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02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 1: for we've had we have eighty seven more, haven't had Tremaine.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing this now? You're setting us up

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02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:06,360
Speaker 1: for Mitch Morse was on yep. Lorenzos on we'll get

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02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 1: some guys, well, good guys. We'll decide when do you

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02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 1: start taking player assessment? Seriously, we talked about that. It's

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Speaker 1: our Twitter poll. There's a lot of people at camp

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Speaker 1: covering camp giving you their observations, their judgments. That's good

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02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:19,480
Speaker 1: that's fine, there's interest in the bills. We like that,

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02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:21,600
Speaker 1: But when do you really start paying attention. That's the

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Speaker 1: question of the day, and that's what we're reading off

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Speaker 1: the tweets. Let's go to the tweet sheet. It is

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers

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Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. When do you start taking player

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02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:36,560
Speaker 1: assessments seriously? Dina tweets this, and I start taking player

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02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 1: assessment seriously as soon as I get information on how

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Speaker 1: they're doing every day increases the knowledge of how they

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02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:45,200
Speaker 1: are doing. You're right, and that's why people are sending

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Speaker 1: out their assessments. I get that. I just when when

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Speaker 1: I read people, and it's Twitter, mostly people saying so

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02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,960
Speaker 1: and so. Quentin Spain has locked down the left guard position,

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02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 1: which actually I don't know who wrote it. I actually

2554
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,800
Speaker 1: saw it and I thought, oh, let's wait, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: wait a little bit. He has. Let's wait. Jason Crandell

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Speaker 1: tweets this and the third preseason game. Performing well during practices,

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Speaker 1: most of which have limited contact, is not the same

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02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:12,360
Speaker 1: as performing well in games with live action against other teams.

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02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:14,840
Speaker 1: We see it every year. Players have great training camps,

2560
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:17,520
Speaker 1: but that doesn't carry over over to live games. He's right,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Steve, I'm looking forward to seeing. We

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02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 1: gotta make sure we make a point of getting out

2563
02:02:21,480 --> 02:02:24,160
Speaker 1: of our little perch up above and watching when they do.

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02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:28,040
Speaker 1: This might not appeal to you. On line D line drills,

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Speaker 1: individual drills, we gotta watch some of it. We gotta

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02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,720
Speaker 1: get down their ground level drills or one on one

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02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:34,360
Speaker 1: on ones. Yeah, we gotta get down there last week

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02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:36,000
Speaker 1: and watch some of that. There's no use watching when

2569
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Speaker 1: they're in shells though, you know, when they're not in

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Speaker 1: pad now now they're ads for two days now. And

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Speaker 1: I said that too at the early early in the

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Speaker 1: show West, I started hearing my first you know, at

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Speaker 1: Oliver's sightings on Twitter yesterday when they started doing some

2574
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Speaker 1: live action one on ones where they were having double

2575
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Speaker 1: teams and guys were coming off and Ed started to

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Speaker 1: be able to shot. And I told you this last week,

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Speaker 1: a guy like at Oliver, you gotta be in pads

2578
02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:59,440
Speaker 1: to see what he can do, because he's not going

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Speaker 1: to be able to initiate contact and use his explosiveness

2580
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Speaker 1: to his advantage when he can only go half speed

2581
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 1: in shells. So now with pads on all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: he did show up when they started putting the pads on.

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Speaker 1: He did you know, he was dominating, He was out

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02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:18,920
Speaker 1: quicking some guys. He was initiating some contact and slipping

2585
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:21,200
Speaker 1: through and taking on double teams that kind of thing.

2586
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:25,960
Speaker 1: So there is a lot of different ways to slice

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Speaker 1: this evaluation process that we've been talking about all day.

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02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 1: And pads there's just one important step in and I

2589
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:33,840
Speaker 1: think there's certain guys that lend their game, lends itself

2590
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Speaker 1: to be in a more physical game, and some guys

2591
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Speaker 1: know it doesn't. Pads make a difference. Right when you

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Speaker 1: were practicing training camp, you would eventually get into pads,

2593
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:45,880
Speaker 1: and even for receivers, difference right, Well, yeah, think about

2594
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, trying to release of off a bump man

2595
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:51,240
Speaker 1: to man, or you know, trying to do blocking drills,

2596
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Speaker 1: catching the ball, even reaching for the football in pads

2597
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 1: as different than it is when you're in shorts and

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Speaker 1: T shirts. You know, it's it feels differently and it

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Speaker 1: is different. Um, all that stuff comes into play. Plus

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Speaker 1: defensive backs ratcheted up a notch. You know they're gonna

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Speaker 1: they don't have a problem giving you a big, hard,

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Speaker 1: stiff arm at the line of scrimmage. When you're in pads,

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Speaker 1: they're not really they'll do other things when they're not

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Speaker 1: in pads, so everything changes, you know. The Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers got into pads, I believe yesterday Bruse Arians, they're outspoken.

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Speaker 1: Their first year head coach Bruce Arians talked about that. Arians,

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Speaker 1: always with a quote, had this to say about the

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Speaker 1: Buck's first day in pads at their training camp. Here's

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Speaker 1: what he had to say. Well, we we had some

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Speaker 1: guys just crap your pants in pads. Hear that we

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Speaker 1: had some guys just crap their pants in pads. Pads,

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Speaker 1: it's not an image that Yeah, he said, there were. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he said, there was, you know, some mental mistakes. And

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Speaker 1: it's right. You get some young players or some new

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Speaker 1: players or whatever, players that step up the plate and

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Speaker 1: you got a guy coming on and that the question

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Speaker 1: was about coming guys coming off the edge untouched. He said,

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Speaker 1: it was mental mistakes. We had guys who who you know,

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Speaker 1: wet themselves or you know, soiled themselves because they didn't

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Speaker 1: know what to do. And when they got it's a

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Speaker 1: different it's a different world when you know you got

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Speaker 1: a guy who coming off the edge and all of

2623
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Speaker 1: a sudden, you're supposed to step up and get it.

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Speaker 1: That means a physical confrontation, and sometimes you're not really

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Speaker 1: ready for it until you go through it once. And

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Speaker 1: he said, yeah, they just weren't ready some of their guys.

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Speaker 1: You got some more on the tweet sheet about our question. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to get to Yeah, when do you start

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Speaker 1: taking player assessment seriously? Mascului says, And this is a

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Speaker 1: really good one, I think he says, it depends on

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Speaker 1: who the person is handing out the assessment. As a

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Speaker 1: fan who consistently follows this team through both the off

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Speaker 1: season and season, you can definitely tell an educated fan

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Speaker 1: slash media member from an uneducated one if they're educated

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Speaker 1: and close to the team. I'd listen even now, I

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Speaker 1: got it. I like it. Here's one from swice as nice.

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Speaker 1: It got my intention. When do you start taking player

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Speaker 1: assessment seriously? He writes, first preseason game is when we

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Speaker 1: start to find out about the fringe. You guys can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see guys like David Sills, Tommy Sweeney, Duke Williams, Vshan,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Jakwon Johnson, even T J. Yeldon play. Let's see

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Speaker 1: who contributes in how many different ways? Should find out

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Speaker 1: more about offensive line depth there. Also, he makes out

2644
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 1: a good point about Tommy Sweeney. I want to mention this, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: you know this. I don't know if people caught it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about it on the website. They got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a depth issue at tight end right

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Speaker 1: now because Dawson Knox suffered a hamstring strain. I guess

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Speaker 1: it was on Saturday. Jason Crum is still out with

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Speaker 1: a hamstring strain. So now yesterday's Sunday last practice are

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Speaker 1: down to four healthy tight ends during the Sunday workout,

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Speaker 1: and the guy who got from my assessment the bulk

2653
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Speaker 1: of the work there weren't a lot of two tight

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Speaker 1: end sets. But Tommy Sweeney, seventh round pick Boston College,

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Speaker 1: he got a lot of first team work yesterday, which

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Speaker 1: is good. He told me, I'm just trying to learn

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Speaker 1: as much as I can. Sweeney, Keith Tobridge, and a

2658
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Speaker 1: Becker and the veteran Lee Smith were the only healthy

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Speaker 1: tight ends going yesterday. They may well see they may

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Speaker 1: decide to add somebody just just for depth is at

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Speaker 1: tight end before they get back on the practice field

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Speaker 1: tomorrow because and I don't know that it's a serious

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02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 1: injury for Dawson Knox. I hope not. Even if they do,

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Speaker 1: if they do, like bring a guy in or something,

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Speaker 1: that'll that'll tell you what they how long they think

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Speaker 1: Croome and Dawson are gonna be out. They're gonna be

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Speaker 1: out for you know five Croft is out for weeks

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Speaker 1: right and Craft is us they're down there, down their

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Speaker 1: top three tight end. Yeah, so if they do bring

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Speaker 1: somebody in, it's because well they're just sick of losing

2671
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Speaker 1: guys and they eat bodies. I mean, three guys is

2672
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:30,720
Speaker 1: a lot to lose, but also maybe be a nod

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02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:32,320
Speaker 1: to how long guys a Croft's going to be out

2674
02:07:32,360 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 1: for a while, Croome and Knox who knows. So if

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Speaker 1: they bring a guy in, it's probably his debt. But

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Speaker 1: believe me, they'll find somebody who wants to play if

2677
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:41,160
Speaker 1: they do need to feel like they need to bring

2678
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Speaker 1: a guy in. And on this issue on the tweet sheet,

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Speaker 1: j W Sacks tweets and I think the team is

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Speaker 1: showing growth so far, the tight ends are down another

2681
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Speaker 1: body with only four practices. This team has a long

2682
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:55,400
Speaker 1: way to go. I think the first half of the

2683
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 1: third preseason game will be a good indication of who's

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Speaker 1: going to make the team. That's a good indication of

2685
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:03,360
Speaker 1: who they like right so far. Yeah, I think even

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02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:06,680
Speaker 1: the first half of the first preseason game will be

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02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:09,640
Speaker 1: a pretty good indication, you know, like who's As I said,

2688
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:11,800
Speaker 1: guys right now are making their case for playing time

2689
02:08:12,280 --> 02:08:14,920
Speaker 1: in the preseason. The first preseason game is a week

2690
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:17,800
Speaker 1: from the Thursday, so a week and half away August eighth,

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Speaker 1: from the first preseason game. Yeah, there's a ton of

2692
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Speaker 1: people like you and me who really get into this.

2693
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:24,840
Speaker 1: They like to Joe Muscali is awesome. Yeah, he loves

2694
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:29,520
Speaker 1: dissecting the numbers, who's contributing, Special teams contributor, who's not contributing,

2695
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,200
Speaker 1: who's gonna be on there, who's gonna be the surprise cut,

2696
02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 1: who's going to be the surprise roster spot, all of

2697
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:36,680
Speaker 1: that stuff. A lot of people are way into this.

2698
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:40,360
Speaker 1: And then there's guys like Paul Hill. Last time I checked,

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Speaker 1: none of us, including the so called experts sports pundits,

2700
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Speaker 1: are not part of the process assessing the roster. I

2701
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:49,560
Speaker 1: might have favorites, but I just wait till the final

2702
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Speaker 1: fifty three is released. Yeah, then there's that side of

2703
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:54,600
Speaker 1: the coin. You know. Just tell me who's on the team.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you. Yeah, you know, well some of us,

2705
02:08:56,840 --> 02:08:59,960
Speaker 1: and you pointed out us. You mentioned Joe B Chris Brown.

2706
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Speaker 1: People like yeah, we like talking about this. We like

2707
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Speaker 1: testing our assessments, right, our judgment against the pros. And

2708
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:11,640
Speaker 1: there's no question the guys who put the fifty three

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02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:14,680
Speaker 1: man roster together are the guys. They're the guys who

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Speaker 1: make these decisions and the guys whose future rides on

2711
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Speaker 1: these decisions. And we like testing our observations. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I think you do too, my observations against the guys

2713
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Speaker 1: who do it for a living and get graded on

2714
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Speaker 1: it for a living. No, certainly we'd all hill the

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Speaker 1: guy who just said that, listen, just tell me who

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Speaker 1: the fifty three is. He's got a point. Because you

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Speaker 1: and I sit up there, we watch practice. We don't

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Speaker 1: know the plays or what they're being coached to do,

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Speaker 1: or what they're being asked you on a certain play,

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Speaker 1: but you see guys, and guys stand out, particularly when

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Speaker 1: they go one on one and when they're in direct

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Speaker 1: competition with another player. You make assessments. So you and

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Speaker 1: I make our assessments like everybody else does outside the lines.

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Speaker 1: We make our assessments about what we can watch and

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Speaker 1: what we can see in practice. So we're doing it

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Speaker 1: with like thirty percent of the information available to the

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Speaker 1: coaches and the GM and the scouts and even the

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Speaker 1: players themselves. So it's interesting to see the wind, the

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Speaker 1: small window that we have to look through into what

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Speaker 1: the evaluation process, all the information available, our small window

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Speaker 1: into that information, and how well we can discern what

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Speaker 1: we see. I mean, it's fun. It's fun. It's fun,

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Speaker 1: and it's uh. We talk about the team all the time,

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Speaker 1: and we talk about them from from so far away

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Speaker 1: from the last from May, June and July. It feels

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Speaker 1: like we're a million miles away. Now. It feels like,

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Speaker 1: you know, at least we're on the truck, you know, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so you know we're on the vehicle. At least

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Speaker 1: we can you know, shout out and talk to them.

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Speaker 1: So it's fun to see how this all takes shape.

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Speaker 1: And you get a chance to see these guys. And

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Speaker 1: we've had everybody under the sun on the show at

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Speaker 1: some point or other, and you get a chance to

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Speaker 1: see him and talk with them for a minute and

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02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:52,600
Speaker 1: it tells you think, it tells you a little something

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Speaker 1: about them. And as much as that we feel like

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Speaker 1: we get a feel for him, think of what the

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Speaker 1: coaches and they talk to these guys all the time,

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Speaker 1: every day and in their evening, and they're talking, and

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Speaker 1: they're the coaches are listening to them talk to each other.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're you know, Brian Dabele is listening to

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02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:10,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen talk to Cole Beasley. You know those two

2753
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:11,840
Speaker 1: have been the last couple of days we've heard they

2754
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Speaker 1: talk all the time. Brian Dable's listening to that conversation.

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Speaker 1: He's standing right there. You know, all that information goes

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Speaker 1: into the hopper. None of us hear it, none of

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Speaker 1: us know. All we see is the results. And it's

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Speaker 1: so fun to try and divine your way through that

2759
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Speaker 1: with a you know, some sort of divining rod, you know,

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Speaker 1: of what's important and what's not so fun. Right back

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Speaker 1: at it tomorrow. We got a few minutes left here,

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Speaker 1: Come on back One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive

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Speaker 1: Andre Reid on the show the Hall of Fame receiver

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Speaker 1: from the Bills a little bit earlier this hour, and

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Speaker 1: he talked about how training camp has changed since when

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Speaker 1: he played to where it is now. You know, anytime

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Speaker 1: I came into camp, it's not that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be better. I had to be better in order for

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Speaker 1: the team to be better. And what was expected out

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Speaker 1: of me, you know what was expected out of Steve

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Speaker 1: and Jim and Thurman and Bruce, all these guys. And

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Speaker 1: if I would, if I can say that's an old

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Speaker 1: add it, I mean, that's probably not true because that's

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Speaker 1: the mentality you need to have and in this game

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Speaker 1: today because of the way training camps are, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's more in the classroom now than it is on

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Speaker 1: the field. And when you do see them on the field,

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Speaker 1: they're they're in shelves. You know, they might get in

2783
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Speaker 1: full pads one day, but they're not banging heads and

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02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 1: getting crazy like they used to. So the game has

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Speaker 1: become more mental and become more analytic than it has

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Speaker 1: in the past. Agree with that, Steve, Do you think

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Speaker 1: Andre is right about that? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, he's right,

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean it's worse or better, but it

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Speaker 1: is different. I think the game's more polished than it

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Speaker 1: was when I played. It's certainly less well, it was

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Speaker 1: less barbaric when I played than it was ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: years before I got into the league, and it has

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Speaker 1: evolved away from it. It certainly it's still compelling to watch.

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Speaker 1: It's still big, strong, mean, scary guys knocking into each other.

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Speaker 1: There's still a lot of that going on. It's a

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Speaker 1: physical game, but I think more so now you get

2797
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Speaker 1: a chance, although you know we always see it, but

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Speaker 1: great guys need to stay healthy. In the league's making

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Speaker 1: a move towards trying to keep the stars on the field.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good move. We'll be out there

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Speaker 1: tomorrow to get a look. Production assistance George blast Cheff, Colteneck, Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Honold Or, Kelly Rude, JJ Rito, Kevin Kartis, James Robolo,

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Speaker 1: Producer Jay Harris. We'll see tomorrow from training camp. One

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