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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: of the city. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today as the world churns Andy Levy stops by

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Speaker 1: to talk about Trump's authoritarian attack on the rule of

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Speaker 1: to California Governor Gavin Newso about how he is fighting

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Speaker 1: Saint Jerry Mander. But first we have the stories the

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Speaker 2: So Molly, you know they.

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Speaker 3: Always say this about democracy, that you have to make

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Speaker 2: I'll bet it's really going to be tough, but it's

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Speaker 2: time to defend John Bally.

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Speaker 1: Here's the truth. John Bolton's sucks. Okay, we can all

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Speaker 1: agree that guy sucks. He's obnoxious, he's annoying, he's never

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Speaker 1: He's sanctemonious. He's how we got here. John Molton is

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Speaker 1: as much how we got here as anyone that said

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Speaker 1: he should not be targeted by Trump's FBI. Let me

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Speaker 1: explain to you what's happening here, Okay, because I think

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Speaker 1: it's really important. Donald Trump is doj serves at the

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Speaker 1: pleasure of Donald Trump. Pam Bondi is like Avonka. She

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Speaker 1: Pam Bondy jd Vance. And by the way, when confronted

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Speaker 1: normal vice president would say in a normal administration. No,

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Speaker 1: he did not say that. You know what he said.

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Speaker 1: He said, we are in the very early stages of

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Speaker 1: an investigation and ongoing investigation into John Bolton. If we

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Speaker 1: the truth. That is fucking bullshit. That is not how

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Speaker 1: is the Justice Department is operating independently. I don't have

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Speaker 1: first hand knowledge about that investigation. But you know why

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Speaker 1: he didn't say that, because the Justice Department is not

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Speaker 2: You know why, I think I'm starting to get your point.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, yeah, so, because they're doing this to punish

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Speaker 1: this is completely wrong in every which way Somali.

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Speaker 3: Despite the fact that Trump is very unpopular, one of

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Speaker 3: base of the Democratic Party is still not happy with

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Speaker 3: the way the leadership is behaving. And this is now

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Speaker 3: evidenced in that Dems are struggling to register voters and

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Speaker 3: to raise money. What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: Look, you fight against Trump. You are Shared Brown. You

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Speaker 1: raised three million dollars? Right? Shared Brown is the same

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Speaker 1: d as everyone else. Right, he's a Democrat? Why is that?

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Speaker 1: Why is Shared Brown? Why is mon Damie? Why are

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Speaker 3: I think it's this thing when you actually talk to

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Speaker 2: You actually get support, right.

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Speaker 1: You raise money when you fight, you don't raise money

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Speaker 1: when you don't fight. And here we are, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: This is it. This is the end of the story.

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Speaker 1: So you can either be a corporatist. You can be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, now let's talk about what we need to

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Speaker 3: fight against. The lever fantastic journalist account. What has a

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Speaker 1: Frager You is like bad Sesame Street. Sesame Street teaches

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Speaker 1: Prager You is basically the opposite.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it basically is just excuses for why slavery was okay.

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Speaker 3: Dennis Prager is known for defending Barrital rapid all sorts

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Speaker 3: But the Trump administrations decide this is what kids need

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Speaker 1: That's right, baby, Welcome to Trump World. Where they are

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Speaker 1: You has little racist cartoons. It's bad. It's not okay.

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Speaker 2: So by for the listeners who don't know.

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Speaker 3: Third Way is this lobbying political action organization that largely

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Speaker 1: And sometimes they come up with good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, even with my leftyness, I don't want to say

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Speaker 3: them are unhoused, patriarchy, incarcerated people, allyship Overton window, cultural appropriation.

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Speaker 3: You and I both said we had feelings for it,

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Speaker 3: good exercise. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 1: So dumb to publish this, bye, dumb, like you just

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Speaker 1: me because I'm not. It's a microaggression. I'm not holding

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Speaker 1: any space for body shaming, subverting norms. It's a system

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Speaker 3: My feeling is this is this is the language of

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Speaker 2: That's going to make people like you.

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Speaker 1: Radical transparency here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a stakeholder, yeah, we need to talk about

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Speaker 1: Look, man, I don't want to be heteronormative here and

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Speaker 2: I'm holding space for this for you, Bally mestal Gloss.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 1: Is this whole podcast just a system of oppression?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna move that over to a window, back to

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Speaker 3: We're years in two our made political action committee.

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Speaker 2: Talk like humans.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Jesse and I are one issue voters, talk

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Speaker 3: Yeah the stockbed you and I are big on Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Donald Trump has found another

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Speaker 1: Look Lisa Cook. He believes that Lisa Cook committed mortgage fraud.

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Speaker 1: There is no evidence to support that Lisa Cook did that.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is now trying to build a criminal case

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Speaker 1: vacancy at the Central Bank. This is the exact same,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics. Andy Levy, Hi, how are you, Molly?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but other than that, missus John Fast, you know

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Speaker 4: it was a good play. Yeah, exactly. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Trump you may remember him, is holding in a federal government,

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Speaker 1: you know, because it was not allocated in the BBB,

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Speaker 1: because the BBB was busy just giving money to ice

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Speaker 1: and taking money away from Medicaid and medicare.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know people, well Congress isn't in session

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Speaker 4: right now, so they're not in DC. Get on a

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Speaker 4: fuck your plane, fly back to DC. Congressmen, got young

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Speaker 4: women senators, get out there, join these protests, get out

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Speaker 4: on the streets, and maybe instead of just posting, you know,

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Speaker 4: sending off a tweet saying you know, this must stop

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Speaker 4: or we must we need to look into this, go

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Speaker 4: fucking do something. And don't get turned away by security

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Speaker 4: like y'all did when Doge was taking over. Get out

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Speaker 4: there and mix it up and let people see that

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Speaker 4: you care, and let people see that you know that

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Speaker 4: what's going on is basically the opening moves of a

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Speaker 4: fascist coup. To sound all conspiratorial and out of.

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Speaker 1: Control that I think it's not.

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Speaker 4: I don't I it's not.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's other I mean, this does not

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Speaker 1: look like the American democracy that either of us have

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Speaker 1: lived through.

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Speaker 4: No, no, but I feel like they're spending We've got

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Speaker 4: a bunch of Democrats spending more time going after a

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Speaker 4: New York City Democratic mayoral candidate than they are going

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Speaker 4: after what is happening in Washington, DC right now. And

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Speaker 4: that is pathetic. And again, all those people I want

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Speaker 4: them speak, I know and that's.

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Speaker 1: The speaker of the House. I mean he's not the Speakerader.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, but I mean he can't endorse Mondanie. But

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Speaker 1: I think like it's fair to say the center needs

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Speaker 1: to be more focused on the right, but the left

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Speaker 1: also needs to be more focused on the right. Like

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Speaker 1: everyone needs to be focused on the takedown that's happening

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Speaker 1: right now of our federal government, and that is where

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Speaker 1: it is. Andy Levy, we come back.

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Speaker 4: I will. I will huddle with my advisors.

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Speaker 5: You'll have your adviser.

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Speaker 4: I'll huddle with my advisors, and they will reach out

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Speaker 4: to your people.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is the governor of California. Welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 4: Governor Newsom, it's good to be with you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: It has been like the last two weeks you've had

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Speaker 6: this incredible social media breakthrough that I think, as much

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Speaker 6: as the redistricting has also been a part of that.

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Speaker 1: So I'd love you to explain to us what happened.

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Speaker 1: What was the moment that you were like, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is not business as usual, we have to really get

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Speaker 1: going on this.

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Speaker 5: I think there wasn't one particular moment. I think it's

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Speaker 5: a process that unfolded over the course of many months,

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Speaker 5: going back candidly to January, going back to the early

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Speaker 5: days of Donald Trump's transition, where he was transitioning back

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Speaker 5: into familiar talking points about water policy in California and

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Speaker 5: completely lying, misrepresenting facts and truths and advancing myths that

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Speaker 5: were popularized on Fox and One, American News and Newsmax

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Speaker 5: and on right wing blogs. And then we're amplified to

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Speaker 5: a whole other level by Elon Musk at the time.

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Speaker 5: And it was a challenging moment because those first few days,

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Speaker 5: they were winning the messaging battle in the middle of

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Speaker 5: those fires as we're trying to put them out. Unprecedented

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Speaker 5: winter firestorms one hundred miles in our winds attached to fires.

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Speaker 5: And as a consequence of that, we had to get

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Speaker 5: back on our toes and we had to shift in

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Speaker 5: terms of our mindset. But that was reinforced and forgive

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Speaker 5: them long windedness once again, when the National Guard was federalized,

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Speaker 5: when we saw seven hundred active duty marines going in

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Speaker 5: the streets of an American city, not active duty marines

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Speaker 5: sent overseas, which Donald Trump has never done, but to

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Speaker 5: the United States of America and the second largest city

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Speaker 5: that happens to be in my state, and my state

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Speaker 5: of mind radically changed at that moment, and our media

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Speaker 5: shift changed, our up research, our clarity, our focus, conditions changed.

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Speaker 5: So we had to change, and we were no longer

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Speaker 5: apologetic about things. I wasn't trying to play nice, and

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Speaker 5: I know a lot of good people. Just play nice.

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Speaker 5: Talk about what you really focused on every day, and

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Speaker 5: people will pay attention your ten point plan on affordability

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Speaker 5: and talk about kitchen table issues. We've been doing that

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Speaker 5: every damn day for years and years and years, with

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Speaker 5: all due respect, and that doesn't get picked up, and

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Speaker 5: then we're chasing lies and misrepresentations and untruth and so

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Speaker 5: about a few weeks ago, as it relates to this redistricting,

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Speaker 5: we decided, yeah, we're going to punch him back, and

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Speaker 5: we're going to put a mirror up to the absurdity

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Speaker 5: that is Donald Trump and that's all this is. And

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Speaker 5: we're going to put up a mirror to his acolytes

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Speaker 5: in the media, to Sean Hannity, yes sorry, Sean, to

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Speaker 5: not just you, but Laura Ingram, to Jesse Waters and

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Speaker 5: Gutfeld and all of these folks that are literally part

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Speaker 5: of his you know, chotbots that every day are just

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Speaker 5: spewing these lies and misrepresentations without any consideration or consciousness

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Speaker 5: to how offensive and absurd and laughable Donald Trump's all

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Speaker 5: kept true socials are and his posing in pictures is,

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Speaker 5: you know, a pope or a superman. And so I

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Speaker 5: hope we've begun to expose a lot a little bit

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Speaker 5: of that, and I think that is required at this

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Speaker 5: moment as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of academics who have written

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Speaker 1: about this idea that when you're faced with an autocrat,

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Speaker 1: they really hate it when you make fun of them.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of like Charlie Chaplin. You know, there

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Speaker 1: is a long history of trying to like inject humor

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Speaker 1: sort of into pushing back against photocracy. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: you could talk about and we know Trump hates to

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Speaker 1: be laughed at. Yeah, do you just talk to me

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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 5: No, Look, we've tried everything. One thing about me is,

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm willing to try new things. I'm willing

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Speaker 5: to iterate. It's one thing that carries with me in

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Speaker 5: my private life as a small business person that's created

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Speaker 5: twenty three jobs. And I'm not trying to say that

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Speaker 5: to impress you, but impress upon you an entrepreneurial mindset

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Speaker 5: that I've brought into the work I've done as mayor,

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Speaker 5: lieutenant governor, and now governor. I want to increase the

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Speaker 5: number of tries, see what works. You miss a one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent of the shots you don't take, and so

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Speaker 5: I've been doing that. I hope people some people paid

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Speaker 5: a little tension going on Fox meeting people where they

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Speaker 5: are debating Ron DeSantis opening up a pack, but only

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Speaker 5: focusing on parts of the country that Democrats, with all

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Speaker 5: due respect, haven't been focused on in Mississippi and Arkansas,

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Speaker 5: in some of the more conservative parts and rural parts

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Speaker 5: of our country. And this is part and parcel of that,

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Speaker 5: a willingness to try new things to see what works.

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Speaker 5: But what's interesting about this is how it's gotten under

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Speaker 5: their skin. What's interesting about this is we put a

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Speaker 5: lens up they have to in some a mirror right

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Speaker 5: back at them, and we've exposed their their their their

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Speaker 5: situational unawareness, their tone, deafness, and interesting more than anything else,

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Speaker 5: we've actually broken through from a communications perspective using humor,

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Speaker 5: but also well, I think culture as well. I think

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Speaker 5: this is also part of why Trump is so successful

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Speaker 5: his ability. He captures that in those images. He captures culture,

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Speaker 5: he captures memes, he captures moments, and he also captures

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Speaker 5: mindshare because it is humorous. People do look forward to

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Speaker 5: his next true social We may deny it, but we're

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Speaker 5: all tuned in as press conferences because we don't know

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Speaker 5: what's going to come next. And I think there's something

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Speaker 5: to learn about that. It's all changed. It's all changed.

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Speaker 5: We have to change. We can't blind the margins and

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Speaker 5: we can't go slow anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. Now, talk to me about

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Speaker 1: the redistricting. So Texas, we have a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 1: who want Donald Trump to support them that wants to

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Speaker 1: run maybe for president. Paxton wants to run for Senate.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of ambition. Donald Trump says, get me

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Speaker 1: five seats, talk us through what happens.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of ambition, and then there's just cowardice.

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Speaker 5: I mean, just did a perfect little sheep, yes, sir,

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Speaker 5: and and he dialed up says he's quote unquote in

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Speaker 5: titled titled to five seats. Just to stop right there.

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Speaker 5: That should be a week of just reporting on that statement.

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Speaker 5: From President of United States, the encroaching authoritarianism of a

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Speaker 5: statement just alone like that which God lost in all

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Speaker 5: of this. And of course these lapdogs said, yes, sir,

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Speaker 5: and oh yes, and we're going to send the vice

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Speaker 5: president to Indiana and oh Ron dissent is not turned

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Speaker 5: out yet. Hey I'm here, Hey Donald May, I'm here.

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Speaker 5: I'll do what we can do more others in Missouri. Now,

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Speaker 5: obviously what's happening already was already pre existing happening in Ohio.

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Speaker 5: So this is serious. It's very serious, and I appreciate.

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Speaker 5: I watched some of my friends, some pundits of former

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Speaker 5: governor saying, you know, two wrongs don't make it right.

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Speaker 5: I get it. But the world's changed. We have to change.

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Speaker 5: It's not just thinking a new it's acting a new.

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Speaker 5: And I think what we're trying to do on redistricting

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Speaker 5: is that that distinction, and I think it's a critical distinction.

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Speaker 5: It's not good enough to identify a problem anymore. It's

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Speaker 5: not good enough to talk a big game. We've got

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Speaker 5: to deliver now. People have had it. The Democratic Party

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Speaker 5: appears weak, we appear feckless. We're not delivering these results

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Speaker 5: that people demand. Trump followed the old Clinton playbook. Strong

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Speaker 5: and wrong beats weak and right. We can act tore

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Speaker 5: them now, so right and righteous, academically pure. But we're

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Speaker 5: getting rolled here, and democracy is in peril. And so

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Speaker 5: from my perspective, there was a sense of urgency. The

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Speaker 5: California Coggressional delegation understood that they moved, and the California

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Speaker 5: Legislature is moving, and now we're going to ask the people.

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Speaker 5: We the people on November fourth, the special election. The

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Speaker 5: most transparent redistricting in US history. There's never been a

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Speaker 5: state that's put up its maps to the people. And

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Speaker 5: that marks as well the moral authority we're bringing to this,

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Speaker 5: not just the formal authority on our redistricting.

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Speaker 1: Approach five seats. Theoretically, I wonder if you could explain

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Speaker 1: to us sort of it feels like the polling people

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Speaker 1: are with you on this polling right, The polling says

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Speaker 1: that seventy percent of Democrats don't want to do this

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Speaker 1: partisan redistricting bought as a response to Republicans. They want

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Speaker 1: to do it. It's sixty eight percent. So clearly you

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Speaker 1: are on people are agreeing with you here. Is that

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Speaker 1: the sense you're getting I've certainly heard Republicans making noise

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Speaker 1: about this, but I haven't really heard people who understand

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Speaker 1: how important it is to check TROUMP making Well.

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Speaker 5: It's okay, So full disclosure, so folks know who they're

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Speaker 5: listening or watching. I support. I've long supported independent redistricting,

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Speaker 5: and I was actually you know, mayor of San Franscot

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Speaker 5: at the time broke with my party on this was

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Speaker 5: very public coming out against the repeal of independent redistricting.

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Speaker 5: So I've long supported it, and that's why for me,

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Speaker 5: this needed to be done in a temporary manner in

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Speaker 5: response to the shots fired from Texas and these other

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Speaker 5: Republican states. This is not a fight we wanted, but

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Speaker 5: it's a fight we're happy to take on. And we're

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Speaker 5: going to fight, as I said, fire with fire, and

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Speaker 5: we're going to do so in a transparent way. By

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Speaker 5: putting the maps up in a democratic way, we're maintaining

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Speaker 5: the independent redistricting. We're not eliminating it. It goes back

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Speaker 5: to its original form after the thirty census, and it's

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Speaker 5: just for Congression will maintain the independent redistricting status for

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Speaker 5: existing legislative races and the like. And so it's in

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Speaker 5: response again to this existential moment, moment marked by the

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Speaker 5: campaign kickoff just a week ago, of all places, the

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Speaker 5: Democracy Center Little Tokyo in LA. The exact site, I

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Speaker 5: don't mean next story, the exact same site we were

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Speaker 5: picking up people and bussing them for the Japanese internment.

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Speaker 5: And you know what Trump did. Trump sent his thugs masked.

652
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Speaker 5: He sent his spokesperson for border patrol to that exact site.

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Speaker 5: That is a preview of things to come. I guarantee you.

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Speaker 5: I said this with the National Guard. I don't know

655
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Speaker 5: what more evidence y'all need in DC right now. It

656
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Speaker 5: was a preview of things to come. He's testing things

657
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Speaker 5: out in my home state. He will send these folks

658
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Speaker 5: out to chill voter turnout, around voting boosts, around polling

659
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Speaker 5: places this November. In next November, we are on the

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Speaker 5: other side of things. Everyone needs to wake up. With

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Speaker 5: all due respect to the precious pundits out there, they're

662
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Speaker 5: holding onto a world that literally is disappearing in front

663
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Speaker 5: of us, and it's gone. It will be gone unless

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Speaker 5: we do things differently and meet this moment. So that's

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Speaker 5: where my energy is and that's where I hope the

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Speaker 5: voters are. This November.

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Speaker 1: So I landed in La last week to do Belle

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Speaker 1: Maher landed, got into my hotel, turned on the television,

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Speaker 1: was watching your presser on KTLA, the local station, and

670
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Speaker 1: watching them arrest people outside a terrifying split screen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's happened. This is America. That was not

672
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Speaker 5: a split screen in Orbon's Hungary. That was not something

673
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Speaker 5: happened in Turkey. That was not something happening in our

674
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Speaker 5: favorite countries that we the access of evil countries. That's

675
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Speaker 5: the United States of America where Donald Trump, the same

676
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Speaker 5: city where he said seven hundred active duty Marines. Again,

677
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Speaker 5: I'll remind people, the president of the United States seven

678
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Speaker 5: hundred active duty Marines to Los Angeles, federalized four thousand

679
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Speaker 5: National Guard indiscriminately. At that same moment, what you watched

680
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Speaker 5: was a poor guy selling strawberries, hardly on the list

681
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Speaker 5: of the most dangerous and vile criminals that we had

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Speaker 5: to attack. That was attacking free speech, assembly, It was

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Speaker 5: attacking the rule of law. It was creating a chill,

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Speaker 5: just like JD. Vance's masterclass of weakness yesterday with that

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Speaker 5: guy Stephen Miller standing there with the Secretary of Defense,

686
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Speaker 5: the Pentagon standing there a Union station in Washington, d C.

687
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Speaker 5: With the military behind them. This is not just encroaching

688
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Speaker 5: authoritarianism if you're black or brown, particularly if you're a

689
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Speaker 5: Latino in this country. Authoritarianism has already arrived in the

690
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Speaker 5: United States of America. So we need to arrive to

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Speaker 5: this moment soberly, and we've got to do things differently.

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Speaker 5: And again, with all due respect to the timidity and

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Speaker 5: the neutrality that I'm hearing from Democrats or even modern Republicans,

694
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 5: you should know better, and shame on you. There is

695
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 5: no do over. This could disappear very quickly. This is

696
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Speaker 5: happening in playing site before a vote's cast. You saw

697
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Speaker 5: what happened after the votes were cast as he tried

698
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Speaker 5: to light democracy on fire and wreck this country and

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Speaker 5: dial up for twelve thousand votes with the Secretary of

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Speaker 5: State in Georgia. And now he's doing it in plain site.

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Speaker 5: It is on our watch. We own this society becomes

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Speaker 5: how we behave We are now complicit at this moment

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Speaker 5: unless we do something to change this.

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Speaker 1: They have gotten so angry at you. I mean, we

705
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Speaker 1: can see the MAGA machine is absolutely terrified of this pushback.

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Speaker 1: How has it been for you.

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Speaker 5: Look, I got four kids. I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: It's thrilling in this respect. I get to look them

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Speaker 5: in the eyes and say, you know what I'm trying,

710
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 5: because you know what, they're getting bullied in their class.

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Speaker 5: I had one of my kids had to be homeschooled

712
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Speaker 5: year ago, and I say that to make a point,

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Speaker 5: not to no one cares about you know, that's politics,

714
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Speaker 5: Get over it. But I wasn't doing enough for them.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like at this moment, I'm just putting

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Speaker 5: it all out there. I'm on the other side of

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Speaker 5: caring what so and so says on a morning show. Okay,

718
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Speaker 5: I just I am in. The ultimate test for me

719
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Speaker 5: is that rocking tear test when I can look at

720
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Speaker 5: these kids in the eye and said, I did everything

721
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Speaker 5: I could to make the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary

722
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Speaker 5: peel as good as the two hundred and forty ninth

723
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Speaker 5: or two hundred and forty eight. This may be the

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Speaker 5: best moment that we've experience, or at least the last

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Speaker 5: great moment of our democracy, the best of the Roman

726
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Speaker 5: Republic of Greek democracy, the co equal branch is the government.

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Speaker 5: This notion of the rule of law and this fundamental

728
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Speaker 5: notion of popular sovereignty. He doesn't believe in any of

729
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Speaker 5: those things, period, full stop. And it's just it's incredible.

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Speaker 5: You talk to vote by mail, you talk about these threats.

731
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Speaker 5: Eighty percent of Californians voted by mail last year. This

732
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Speaker 5: is serious, serious moment, And so at that question, I

733
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Speaker 5: just feel I feel, I feel like I can hold

734
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Speaker 5: myself to a higher level of accountability at this moment.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to do my best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I actually had a moment like that

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Speaker 1: with my kids too, where I was like, you know what,

738
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Speaker 1: they elected him, but I wonder if you could talk

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Speaker 1: for a minute. You did this amazing, amazing debate with

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Speaker 1: DeSanto's and it was actually like it just showed you

741
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: were just really facile. That is a very hard thing

742
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Speaker 1: as someone who has really struggled with that, and you

743
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Speaker 1: really did debate. You know, DeSantis does a lot of

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Speaker 1: the MAGA stuff very well. He's not charismatic like Trump,

745
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Speaker 1: but he's able to sort of bob and weave in

746
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Speaker 1: a MAGA way talk us through what it's like to

747
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Speaker 1: push back against MAGA like that.

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Speaker 5: Well, it just it's the miss and disrepresentation these weaponization

749
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Speaker 5: of agreements. You see on Fox the bullshit twenty four

750
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Speaker 5: to seven emanating from that. But they've shaped shifted everything. Look,

751
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Speaker 5: I got to give it to DeSantis in this respect.

752
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Speaker 5: You know, three four years ago he was not only winning,

753
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 5: he was shaping the narrative. We were responding to CRT

754
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Speaker 5: you know, ESG and now it's become DEI Woke, the

755
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 5: anti Woke Act. He was rewriting history quite literally, censoring

756
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Speaker 5: historical facts. He was making it illegal to say things

757
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: in the classroom and the boardroom as well. And when

758
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Speaker 5: I say rewriting history, remember they had a social studies

759
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Speaker 5: book that changed in the state of Florida to take

760
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Speaker 5: the race of Rosa Parks out of that social studies book.

761
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Speaker 5: They've been on a banning bitch, a cultural purge, and

762
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 5: we were on the receiving end and I couldn't take

763
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: it anymore. And we're sitting there and it's just the

764
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Speaker 5: Pied Piper folks that are over at Fox playing into that,

765
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Speaker 5: and I thought, look, I got to break into this.

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Speaker 5: Eight out of ten murder states are red states. The

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Speaker 5: number of people dying in gun violence in these states,

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Speaker 5: the fact that deaths of despair and the life, you know,

769
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Speaker 5: expectancy and maternal mortality and infant mortality and wages and

770
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Speaker 5: uninsured rates. I mean, how in the hell are Democrats

771
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Speaker 5: losing to these guys? And I just thought I'd take

772
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Speaker 5: a flyer and have a two on one debate with

773
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Speaker 5: Hannity and with DeSantis on Fox. He wouldn't have agreed

774
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Speaker 5: to any other platform, DeSantis than that layup.

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Speaker 1: You clearly are hitting a nerve with this pushback, with

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Speaker 1: the satire, with the ability to really meet them where

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Speaker 1: they are. You know, they're going to take five seats.

778
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Speaker 1: You're going to take five seeds. You know this kind

779
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: of I mean, people really want this and need this.

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Speaker 1: Progressives don't like you.

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Speaker 4: Why.

782
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Speaker 5: I don't know the guy that did a twenty dollars

783
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Speaker 5: minimum wage for fast food workers, twenty five for healthcare workers.

784
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Speaker 5: It's the only state in America with universal health care

785
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Speaker 5: regardless of pre existing conditions or ability to pay. They

786
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Speaker 5: created a brand new grade preschool for all, after school

787
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Speaker 5: for all, fourteen billion dollar investment, and summer school for all.

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Speaker 5: That's done more on climate change in any other state

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Speaker 5: in America, more in terms of support for childcare workers,

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Speaker 5: and a new bargaining unit across the spectrum. A lot

791
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Speaker 5: of what progressives assert we've delivered in the state of California.

792
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Speaker 5: But yeah, I balance budgets. I'm not a tax and

793
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Speaker 5: spend liberal. I don't believe you need to be profligate

794
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Speaker 5: to be progressive. And maybe that's the line that's been

795
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Speaker 5: drawn for some. But look, I'm proud of the progressive

796
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Speaker 5: wing of my party as I am proud of the

797
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Speaker 5: moderate wing. I think we need to have a bigger ten.

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Speaker 5: I think we need to win. I think it's time

799
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Speaker 5: to be smash mouth. It's time to be aggressive, it's

800
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: time to get on our toes, and it's time to

801
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Speaker 5: get all back up into the game. And you know,

802
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Speaker 5: we may have some interesting differences, as Bill Clinton would say,

803
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Speaker 5: but it'd be nice of this party starting your night

804
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 5: around are things that bind us together, and right now,

805
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 5: it's not just anti Trump. There are a lot of

806
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Speaker 5: values that define the best of our party and racial justice,

807
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 5: social justice, economic justice, and I just like to see

808
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 5: this party come back together across those differences. And right now,

809
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 5: we just don't have time and I don't have the

810
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Speaker 5: energy to get into all the little modest points of

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00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 5: difference differentiation. We need all of us to step up

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Speaker 5: and roll in the same direction.

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Speaker 1: One last question with this redistrict, and we are in

814
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Speaker 1: uncharted territory, right, none of this should be legal. But

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Speaker 1: because the Voting Rights Act has been chipped away and

816
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Speaker 1: this Supreme Court is so maga, we are in this place.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a chance. I mean, you

818
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Speaker 1: clearly have a lot of insight into what's going to

819
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Speaker 1: happen with the judiciary. Do you think there's a chance

820
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Speaker 1: that the courts are like, just stop this arms race?

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Speaker 5: Not a chance at l with the Supreme Court. These

822
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: guys are this is this guys are wired. I mean,

823
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Speaker 5: these guys created the conditions that we're experiencing right now.

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Speaker 5: They open this door, they throw out the Voting Rights Act.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if they throw out any of the racial

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Speaker 5: components of this, which is where they were trying to

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Speaker 5: at least allegedly trying to be careful in terms of

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Speaker 5: the conversations they were having on the floor of the

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Speaker 5: Texas Legislature in the last few days. But they throw

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Speaker 5: that out any pretense of that. You're talking about dozens

831
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Speaker 5: and dozens of seats that could be rewirired and reworked,

832
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Speaker 5: all across this country. You saw Trump last night and

833
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Speaker 5: this morning, one hundred seats he's trying to get now

834
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Speaker 5: across this country. So we're in a race, race for democracy,

835
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Speaker 5: a race for the future. Again, it's not just about

836
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 5: our party, the Democratic Party. It's a race for power.

837
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Speaker 5: And I'm talking about the power invested in the people,

838
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Speaker 5: not in government. And this is a takeover from the

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Speaker 5: power of the people, the power of one person, the

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Speaker 5: rule of dawn. That's what this is about. And I

841
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Speaker 5: have no interest in the dawn of the end of

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00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 5: this extraordinary two hundred and fifty year enduring experiment. And

843
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 5: all of us need to wake up. All of us

844
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Speaker 5: need to galvanize around us, and none of us can

845
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Speaker 5: be timid at this moment.

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Speaker 2: And a moment.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Cannon Molly, I have to tell you, this is

848
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Speaker 3: like one of those stories that I feel should be

849
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Speaker 3: front page everywhere but is getting buried by the million

850
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Speaker 3: other insane things that are happening. Ice just gassed a

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Speaker 3: public school for protesting and try to get them to

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Speaker 3: submit to their will.

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Speaker 1: This is an insane story. This is from ABC News.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Fuck, I was like, this can't be true. This is

856
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: like another day where I'm like, this can't be true.

857
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: Immigration and custin Enforcement complex in Portland has become a

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Speaker 1: nearly nightly flashpoint this summer for local activists demonstrating against

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration's vast deportation. So by day the protesters

860
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Speaker 1: directly at passerbys, carrying messages like you're not safe. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: So basically they tured gassed a public school into submission.

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Speaker 1: So this is what happened. They the demonstrators have been

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Speaker 1: non violent, but a nearby public school has been forced

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Speaker 1: to abandon its longtime campus citing threats to student health.

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Speaker 1: But the gases weren't for them, they were for the protesters.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: They're not gassing a school. They're gassing the protesters, which

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Speaker 1: we have a long and storied history in this country

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Speaker 1: of gassing protesters. But anyway, the appointment of chemical irants

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Speaker 1: by federal agents has created fear in the neighborhood. Locals

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Speaker 1: have posted biohazardous warning signs the area has been sprayed

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Speaker 1: with your guests in toxic chemicals. So this school is

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Speaker 1: basically has to abandon its campus because it has been

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Speaker 1: gassed and because it may be still toxic from some

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Speaker 1: of the chemicals they used on the protesters. This an

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Speaker 1: emergency move, but they just don't think it's safe for

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Speaker 1: the kids. It's a charter school, publicly funded, and it

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Speaker 1: focuses kinder learn to eighth grade. So look, this is

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Speaker 1: like one of these second order things that happens with

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Speaker 1: trump Ism, you know, money to ice, Ice gases kids.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't gas kids, but ice gases protesters. Protesters are

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Speaker 1: in the school, the school gets gassed, so it's like

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Speaker 1: a second order protest. It's it's all bad, but it's

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Speaker 1: just inadvertent kind of way that this happened. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's so, so bad, so bad. That's it for this

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