1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Guys, the best independent. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: it just means the absolute world to have your support. 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: We have an amazing show for everybody today. 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: What do we have today? We do lots of interesting 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: things breaking. We're going to give you a little update 14 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: on what's going on with the whole border Ukraine, Israel deal, 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: non deal, etc. Some question marks about what's going to 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: happen in the Senate today, so we'll break that down 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: for You've also got Nikki Haley losing to none of 18 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: the above. Some amazing cope there, R and C also 19 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: apparently in shambles. Ronnie McDaniel apparently leaving break that down 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: for you as well. Trump is now saying, hey, maybe 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: we should give bud Light a second chance. Hilarious be 22 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: me rejecting a ceasefire deal and the us getting put 23 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: on blast from Saudi Arabia for basically lying about what 24 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: that country's position was with regards to normalization with Israel. 25 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Fox News aired what appeared to be a live hate crime. 26 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: We'll show you that and tell you the background and 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: what we have learned about what exactly the hell transpired there. 28 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: Hillary is weighing in on Tucker's interview with Putin. You're 29 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 1: gonna love that one, and we all needed and Sager 30 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Scott is Apple Vision Pro. That's right here on the desk. 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: So we're going to do a little We're going to 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: do a little. 33 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: Live debut using in front of you guys. I recorded 34 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: especially something at home just to show it to everybody. 35 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: Give ale review. 36 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: I am an Apple fan boy, to be fair, so 37 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: this is not necessarily the most unbiased. 38 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: Well I'm a cynic. Good, it'll be pretty bad. 39 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: I will try and I will try and convince you 40 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 2: as to why it's a great device and it's changing 41 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: the world. 42 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: I was saying, I have yet to see a single 43 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: woman who's actually why we showed you. We showed you one, 44 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: found one, we showed you one. Well, we have one 45 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: on our side. That's all takes. That's how groundbreaking tech work. Anyway, 46 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: lots to get into this morning before we get to 47 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: any of that, though, Thank you guys so much for 48 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,639 Speaker 1: helping us get that Rfkjunior focus group together. Super excited 49 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: to share the results with you next week. Yeah, that's right. 50 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 2: So we are going to be debuting it to everybody 51 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: early next week. The full version is going to go 52 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: out to our premium subscribers first. 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So it's about to be a 64 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: really big story, and it'll be interesting to hear from 65 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: the voters themselves about why it is that they're rejecting 66 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: both Trump and Biden and instead opting for RFKAGINGI. 67 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: I think you guys are really going to resonate with 68 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: some of these people. Okay, let's go to the end 69 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: of deal. There were some major developments in the United 70 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: States Senate. Just yesterday we brought everybody the news that 71 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: the border deal would appear to have collapsed but has 72 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 2: now led to a new situation. Let's go and put 73 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: this up there on the screen, just we can give 74 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: everyone and update. The Senate is currently in complete turmoil 75 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: because they're both trying to advance two separate pieces of legislation. 76 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: First and foremost is the quote border deal, which is 77 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: then attached to the foreign aid deal, which we brought 78 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: everybody the details of in our last show. Just a reminder, 79 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: that includes sixty billion for Ukraine, fourteen one point billion 80 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: for Israel, ten billion in quote unquote humanitarian aid, a 81 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: pittance to Taiwan, and then an additional twenty billion. 82 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: With some border reforms that would have passed. 83 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: Now it does not appear that that bill is going 84 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: to have this sixty votes to be able to even 85 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: move to debate and consideration on the floor. Senator truck Schumer, though, 86 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: has now decided to put four two separate votes Crystal 87 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: one will be on this border deal, which they anticipate failing, 88 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: although that actually is up in the air right now, 89 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: currently has fifty eight votes. 90 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: The vote is held overnight. 91 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: The second piece of legislation is actually stripping away all 92 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: of the border provisions and would include just foreign aid 93 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: for Israel, for Ukraine, and for Taiwan humanitarian aid as well. 94 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: Originally appeared to be a non starter, but there are 95 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: some Republicans, people like Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, and others 96 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: who have said that they would be supportive of such 97 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: a measure. So the big question is whether that gets 98 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: to sixty. But I guess what belies this entire thing 99 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: is the House of Representatives that this whole thing is 100 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: dead no matter what. So right, in a certain point, 101 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: this is all fake, but you know, we get to 102 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: see Washington's real priorities. This is the sixty billion for Ukraine, 103 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: fourteen billion for Israel. Well, remind everyone, by the way 104 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: that the Israelids specifically says shall not be subject to 105 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: congressional oversight. Imagine writing that in when you are the 106 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: ones who are in Congress, you would expect the Israelis 107 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: or the President to ask for something like that, not 108 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: to just preemptively put it in there in the right. 109 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: Congress be like, we don't want any authority, no thank you, 110 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: we don't really know what's going on, no oversight. 111 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: First take the bombs, drop it on whoever you want. 112 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: It is incredible. I mean, obviously, I'm cheering for every 113 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: one of these things to go down and flame, so 114 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: the fact that it looks like it's headed in that 115 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: direction is good either. The one that there's the biggest 116 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: question marks about is the just foreign aid piece, the 117 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: just Ukraine and just Israel peace, which is ironic. I 118 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: mean again, listen, I'm glad this is all failing, so 119 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: let me just be really clear about that. But it 120 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: is sort of a hilarious situation because at the beginning 121 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: of this Republicans were like, we're never voting for Ukraine 122 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: unless it comes with border funding as well, and then 123 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: the border one goes down, and yet just the Ukraine 124 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: and is zero one seems to have a better shot 125 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: at passage. But again, as you said, Soger, it doesn't 126 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: look like these things are going to get through the House. 127 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: Although I don't think Mike Johnson has been totally definitive 128 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: about just the foreign aid package and what he would 129 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: do on the other hand. You know, people like Marjorie 130 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: Taylor Green and others have been very adamant that they 131 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: will push for Mike Johnson. He pushed out of the 132 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: speakership if he does bring any Ukraine aid to the floor. 133 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: So that obviously puts him in a very tricky position. 134 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: And this is not a man who has navigated tricky 135 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: positions very effectively thus far. 136 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I want it both to go down for 137 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: the same reason, so so for different reasons. So I 138 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: guess we're definitely united on that one. A little bit 139 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: of horseshoe theory. 140 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the fun thing watch are our long immigration debate. 141 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: If you want to really understand, we have to reopen that. 142 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: I think I would probably slip my wrist. But that's 143 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: a different, different scenario for another day. You were talking 144 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: about Mike Johnson. Johnson has honestly humiliated himself. The last 145 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: couple of days were an absolute disaster for any House speaker. 146 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: And I'm talking you know, this isn't anything personal. It's 147 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: just this is inexperience and chaos within the caucus. So 148 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: I know Ryan and Emily covered a little bit of 149 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: this yesterday. They had the failure of the majorcis impeachment vote, 150 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: which was like the House Republican thing. 151 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 3: I cannot tell you. 152 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: My phone blew up whenever that impeachment vote failed. People 153 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: in the House and others were like, I cannot believe this. 154 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: They're like this everyone told me for weeks. They're like, 155 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: it's done, deal, don't worry about it. You guys can 156 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: cover it. Blah blah said, all right, you know, when 157 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: it happens, we'll do a segment or whatever. And now 158 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: the only it's a failure, and the reason is a 159 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: failure is because he has no control on the caucus 160 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: and he just the margin of votes that they have 161 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: is so slim to none that you can have Al Green, 162 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: who is the Houston Democrat, trotted in from literally from 163 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: like the operating room table to vote and it changes 164 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: their whole margin and then they lose one guy and 165 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: that's it. Boom, they lose two back to back votes 166 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: on the floor of the House. He's also under two 167 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: major pressures right now, as you were saying, with regard 168 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: to Ukraine. The thing is about Ukraine is that there 169 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: is a House Ukraine Caucus which isn't chaired by a Republican. 170 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: Mike Turner. Now, Mike Turner has previously said he wouldn't 171 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: consider it without the border deal. But this is a 172 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: diet in the wall neocon also one of the people 173 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: blocking UFO transparency. 174 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: Interesting, So we'll put those two things there. 175 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: So that's about one hundred and so Republicans that are 176 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: in that category. 177 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: But then you've. 178 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: Got Marjorie Taylor Green, You've got Steve Scalise who's in 179 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: the House leadership as well others who are skeptical of 180 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: Ukraine Eiden, and those are equally saying, if you bring 181 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: this to the floor, we're going to go after you. 182 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: He's in a near impossible position, and it's one of 183 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: those where we genuinely have no idea what he's going 184 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: to do. He gave kind of a sad press conference yesterday. 185 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what he said. 186 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 5: We'll see what the Senate does. We're allowing the process 187 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 5: to play out, and we'll hand as it is sent over. 188 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 5: I have made very clear that you have to address 189 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 5: these issues on their own merits, and Israel desperately needs 190 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 5: the assistance. Everyone knows that things have changed pretty dramatically 191 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 5: since we passed that first Israel package in the House 192 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 5: three months ago. Everyone knows the tensions have escalated and 193 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 5: we need to support it there on impeachment. Last night 194 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 5: was a setback. But democracy is messy. We live in 195 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 5: a time of divided government. We have a razor thin 196 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 5: margin here and every vote count. Sometimes when you're counting 197 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 5: votes and people show up when they're not expected to 198 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 5: be in the building, it changes the equation. I don't 199 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 5: think that this is a reflection on the leader. It's 200 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 5: a reflection on the body itself and the place where 201 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 5: we've come in this country. Look, the nation is divided. 202 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 5: We lament that right. The difference is the chasm between 203 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 5: the two parties right now is wider than it's ever been, 204 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 5: and there are lots of emotions and we live in 205 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 5: the age of social media and twenty four hour news cycle. 206 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 5: You know, there were previous congresses where this a gaggle 207 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 5: like this would not even have been possible. So we're 208 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 5: in a different time. 209 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: We're in a different time. 210 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you could say that mister Johnson, mister speaker. 211 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: Lookas I don't know what he's gonna do, but he's 212 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: in a bad spot. The big question right now, you know, 213 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: we thought that the votes were going to happen late 214 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: last night. They've decided to delay it. I don't I 215 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: genuinely have no idea which one's going to pass. It 216 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: actually is conceivable that one of them could. But then, 217 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: as Speaker Johnson just laid out there, he barely has 218 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: any idea what his own votes are. He's very willing, 219 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: which is very bizarre to bring votes to the floor 220 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: which failed. I mean, this never happened under Bayner and 221 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: under Pelosi, you know, save for I'm trying to think 222 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: maybe tarp I mean that was back in two thousand 223 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: and a seven, you know, the last time that we 224 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: saw like dysfunction like this, and that was. 225 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: A way higher stakes environment. 226 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: So, I mean, this just shows a complete breakdown of 227 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: the entire Republican institutional establishment. 228 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: At the top. 229 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: Really like the quote unquote like what is the inmates 230 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: are running the asylum and Johnson is one of those 231 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 2: people where you know, a shiit is waiting for him 232 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: basically no matter what he does. 233 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, in that situation, arcas thing was the thing that 234 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: was most amusing to me is afterwards, I think it's 235 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor. I think Ryan and Emiley covered this boat 236 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: was so funny. She was like cleaning, you know, crying 237 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: foul over the Democrats just getting their members to vote. 238 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: She was like they were hiding members. Is like, no, 239 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: you scheduled to vote for when you probably knew this 240 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: man was going to be in surgery and just assumed 241 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: that you could count him out. And you should probably 242 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: assume the other side is going to bring their caucus 243 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: and you know, on something that's a priority for them 244 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: to try to vote it down and make sure you 245 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: have the margins. I mean, it's just very it's just 246 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: very rookie behavior. On the other hand, you know, the 247 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: Republican Party isn't really about like governance at this point, 248 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: especially not in the House, in the Senate. It's all 249 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: a cold of personality around Donald Trump. He told him 250 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: to vote down the border thing. They fell in line 251 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: and did exactly what he wanted them to do. I 252 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: think there's I'm enjoying watching the chaos. It's amusing to 253 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: me to watch this man be like basically humiliated in 254 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: real time. I am I have to admit I'm enjoying 255 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: that spectacle. But I don't think anyone should either fool 256 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: themselves about like this really meaning anything for twenty twenty 257 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: four for the broader politics, et cetera. The last thing 258 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: I'll say about whatever is going to happen today with 259 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: the just Ukraine and Israel piece of this. The question 260 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: marks are not only on the Republican side, although that's 261 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: where the sort of the biggest question mark is. Is 262 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: also some question marks about how many Democrats will refuse 263 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: to back another blank check to Israel. You've already had 264 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, of course he's technically an independent, but coxes 265 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: with the Democrats. Obviously he's a no. Elizabeth Warren put 266 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: out something yesterday that seemed like it indicates she didn't 267 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: say she's a no, but she said no more blank 268 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: checks for Netanyahu. So that's sort of indicated maybe she's 269 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: a no. And there's a handful of others, just a 270 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: few others that could potentially bulk at another complete blank 271 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: check for Israel. So that's another thing to I'm talking like, 272 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: maybe you get another one, but when you have margins, 273 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: that matters a lot. The difference between one versus three 274 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: not voting for it is a big deal. 275 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So we could end up with nothing, which 276 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm pretty that's what I'm cheering for, 277 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: especially whenever it comes to the situation going on in Ukraine. 278 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of public humiliation, I enjoining Nikki Haley and Nevada 279 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: managed to lose to none of the above. She's now 280 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: given an interview explaining her cope of what exactly happened 281 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: here and trying to justify her continued existence in this race. 282 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: Let's take alism. Does that situation Nevada hurt a little bit? 283 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 4: No, I mean Nevada. It's such a scam. They were 284 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 4: supposed to have a primary. Trump rigged it so that 285 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: the GOP chairman who's been indded would go and create 286 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 4: a caucus. We knew months ago that we weren't going 287 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 4: to spend a day or a dollar in Nevada because 288 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: it wasn't worth it, and so we didn't even count Nevada. 289 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 4: That wasn't anything we were looking at. 290 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: We knew that was rigged from the start. 291 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: Our focus is on South Carolina, Michigan Super Tuesday. So 292 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: if you look what we did, and I when you 293 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 4: look what we did in New Hampshire, we're continuing to grow. 294 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: That's what matters, I think more than anything else. But 295 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: look at what happened this week here you have Republicans 296 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: lost a major vote on the border, Republicans lost a 297 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: major vote on Israel. Donald Trump was found that he 298 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 4: will not have immunity in all of these court cases 299 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 4: coming up. The R and C chair is fired. All 300 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 4: of this chaos is happening around us, and Donald Trump's 301 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: fingerprints are on every bit of it. We can't continue 302 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 4: as the Republican Party to go forward with this chaos. 303 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: You don't defeat Democrat chaos with Republican chaos. And that's 304 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: why we've got. 305 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: To see a change. 306 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: So it was rigged. Is that what she's saying. I'm 307 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: pretty sure she's saying it was rigged. 308 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: I love the part. My favorite part of that is 309 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: when she's like, we weren't even counting Nevada. Like yes, 310 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: begin well, and not only that, but like, you're not 311 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: the one that gets to decide which states count and 312 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: which states don't, so the fact that you weren't counting 313 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: Nevada doesn't really count for much. I mean, listen, she 314 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: is right. There was like a weird thing that happened 315 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: with Nevada that I don't totally understand that led to 316 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: there being a primary and a caucus and that's why 317 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: Trump's name wasn't on the ballid or whatever. But if 318 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: you are the basically the only current candidate who is 319 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: on the ballot and you're getting destroyed by none of 320 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: the above, it's like it shows you where the Republican 321 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: Party is. And so it is hard for me to 322 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: understand her justification for staying in the race at this point. 323 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: Let's go and listen to Steve Kernaki on the night 324 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: of this Nevada situation explaining what exactly was going down, 325 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: because this is kind of funny. Take a listen. 326 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 6: Haley, without Trump's name, even on the ballot, still loses 327 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 6: to the Nun option by better. 328 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: Than two to one. 329 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 6: So that's that is a tough reality for her night. 330 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 6: Trump you on the ballot and she loses, and it's 331 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 6: a closed primary. So it really reinforces what we've been 332 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 6: seeing that when you're just talking about Republican voters, she's 333 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 6: really she's really getting clavered with Republican voters. She's had 334 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 6: independence and Democrats to keep her in it. 335 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: I love the way he's like, he's, yeah, we know, Steve, 336 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: we agree, So. 337 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: You know, after I don't remember I it was before 338 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: new him. I think it was before New Hampshire. I 339 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, there's a chance that even though 340 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: this ends up just being a long humiliation for her, 341 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: that she stays in on the possibility with like the 342 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: donor class backing her under the possibility that some black 343 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Swan event occurs and takes Trump out of the race, 344 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: even though if that did happen, I'm not even sure 345 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: how that would go down, if that would leave her 346 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: as the heir apparent, or what would happen in that scenario. 347 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: I guess it depends on the timing of when said 348 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: black Swan event were to occur. And I think at 349 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: this point that's the only real justification for her candidacy 350 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: is like, you know, maybe something crazy happens, because if 351 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: you are losing to none of the above, and Republicans 352 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: in every contest are clearly with the other guy, in 353 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: spite of the fact that you know Paul's do show, 354 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: would she would destroy Joe Biden? You know, I don't 355 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: think there's any doubt if you're just looking at electability, 356 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: you are taking a risk with Trump that you're not 357 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: taking with Nikki Haley. But people are convinced Trump can win. 358 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance Trump can win and 359 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: they haven't been given a reason to move off the 360 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: guy that they still really love. 361 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And look, I mean, when you've got the 362 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: other thing is is that? 363 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: Sure? 364 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: But general elections don't happen in a vacuum. You have 365 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: to win a primary with at least in the current system. 366 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily love it, but it is what it is. 367 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. I mean, 368 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: just look at this. In terms of the overall vote total, 369 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: sixty three point two percent two thirds of the people 370 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: who took time out of their day came to check 371 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: none of them, thirty point five percent for Naki ham Okay, 372 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: forty three eight hundred and ninety three American citizens took 373 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: time out of their day to march their ass to 374 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: the polling poll just to check none of the above, 375 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: specifically to say screw you to Nikki Haley, and they 376 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: outnumbered them two to one to the people who actually 377 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: thought that they were going to go vote for her. 378 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: That, I mean, how the hell. 379 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: Are you supposed to compete with this? It's just literally impossible. 380 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: It Also, you know, bringing back to what we were talking 381 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: about in our a block Crystal about the demise of 382 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: the Republican establishment for her to be defending the RNC 383 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: and the collapse of that as some sort of sign 384 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: of chaos. 385 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: So let's put this up there on the screen. 386 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: Somebody sent me this yesterday and I've gone through and 387 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: verified this through Red State, which was the original publisher. 388 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: Look at RNC versus DNZ spending. Top line, the RNC 389 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: spent one hundred and twenty eight million versus the DNC 390 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: spent one hundred fifty six million. But when you break 391 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: down what they were spending money on, it is shocking. 392 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: The rn C spent seventy thousand dollars on floral arrangements. 393 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: The DNC spent seven hundred and ninety five. The RNC 394 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: spent two hundred and sixty three thousand dollars on a 395 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: limousine service. The DNC spent seven grand. It's like, what, lady, 396 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: you never heard of Uber Uber Black's not good enough 397 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: for you? What is going on over here? I mean, 398 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: the fact is is that you can see so clearly 399 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: that they were squandering their budget to a historic degree, 400 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: even in that management consulting line. Look at that one 401 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: million dollars on management consultants. 402 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: That's by far the motion, I totally agree, far worse 403 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: out of the flowers or the thig whatever. The management 404 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: insulting bad it's a shameful Yeah, a million. 405 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: Bucks on management consulting. The DNC spent one hundred and 406 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: fourteen grand office supplies. They're spending three hundred grand on 407 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: office supplies that DNC is spending for it. What are 408 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: they buying? Are they buying vision pros? You know, like 409 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: what's happening? Well, are you buying the G. 410 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: Two pens and not the top high level off? What 411 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: are you people doing? The other thing you note there 412 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: is the things that Democrats outspent them on were like 413 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: voter outreach, like to your TV texting. But I mean, 414 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: yes to all of that. But I also think it's 415 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: such cope to think that the problems of the Republican 416 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: Party are like the Lin nine homes of spending at 417 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: the R and D. I know you agree with me, 418 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: but I just want to like put that out there 419 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: because I'm just remembering for vac at that debate that 420 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: was like, oh, the reason we're losing is because of 421 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: Rana and the R and B, and I think that's 422 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: preposterous like, obviously, the overall political dynamics are backlash against Trump, 423 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: backlash against extremism, and backlash against the dab's decision overturning 424 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: Roe versus Weight. I mean, those are the big pieces. 425 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 1: So in that way, Nikki Haley is right that, like 426 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of Republican and electoral prospects, they 427 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: would be much better off if they moved past Donald Trump. 428 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt about that. I mean, 429 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: the reason that they underperformed in the midterm elections, the 430 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: reason that they're losing like every special election that comes up, 431 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: the reason that they've definitely lost every single ballot initiative 432 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: has anything to do with abortion rights. Those things are 433 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: not about the RNC. They do stems sort of directly 434 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump or the Supreme Court justices that he 435 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: put on the bench. So that is the big picture. 436 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, this is an embarrassing profligate like 437 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: profligate spending on all of the wrong things at the 438 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: RNC as well on top. 439 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: Of everything, right, I mean, and more, what I'm saying 440 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: is that these people are morally bankrupt and oh and 441 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: just not deserving of any sort of reverence Like within 442 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: the Republican Party, which is part of why, Like it's 443 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: one of those where you're right, Look, is it the 444 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: rnc's fault they're losing. No, But at the same time, 445 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: you can't be blowing people's money on florinal arrangements and 446 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 2: on limousine services. It's shocking. And I'll put a modest 447 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: defense in here. RNC and DNC. Yeah, they don't matter 448 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: at a macro level, but you know, at a micro 449 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: level they can matter. They can you know what, five 450 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: ten thousand votes people who are canvassing, having the right 451 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: software and all that stuff. Again, it is not determinative, 452 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: like it is not the major thing that matters, but 453 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: people do give money, and the allegedly are supposed to 454 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: exist for a certain reason, and you shouldn't be spending 455 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: that on floor arrangements and on. 456 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: The thing they primarily exist for at this point is 457 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: just to like control the process and make sure that 458 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, the flowers that be get their way, that 459 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Biden doesn't have to debate and he 460 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: gets the lineup of states that he wants and that 461 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: the process is completely controlled. And the RNC side the 462 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, they were actually had much more 463 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: of a democratic process than the Democrats did. But there's 464 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: also no doubt that there was a lot of fealty 465 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: from Ronald McDaniel to Donald Trump. You know, he gave 466 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: her his blessing. She was allowed to stay in there 467 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: so long as he felt that she served his purpose. 468 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: And apparently that rain is coming to an end. Put 469 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: this up on the screen. Ronald looks like she is 470 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: leaving after some criticism from Trump. She plans to step 471 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: down on a Trump likely to back a supporter of 472 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: his false cly sames of election fraud fraud Michael Wattley, 473 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: the head of the North Carolina GOP. There's a quote 474 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: in here from someone, you know, some insider, who said 475 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: mister Trump likes mister Watley for one overwhelming reason according 476 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: to people who have discussed him with the former president. Quote, 477 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: he is a stop the steel guy, as one of 478 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: the people described him. You also have some, uh it is, 479 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, not a guarantee that this dude will get it, 480 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: even though this is Donald Trump's pick. But I think 481 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: it's very very likely. But there could be internal dissent 482 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: and it's not like Trump can just tap him on 483 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: the head and appoint him. There does have to be 484 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: some internal process, so we'll see how that plays out. 485 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: I also thought this was amusing. Charlie Kirk, the founder 486 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: of Turning Point UNS USA, has lobbied publicly to remove 487 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: Miss Daniel, suggesting last week in an interview that some 488 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: Trump family members, including Laura Trump, former president's daughter in law, 489 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: could be potential picks for party leadership posts as well. 490 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: So you're looking at staffing up the party with direct 491 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: Trump relatives. 492 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: To be honest, it would be logically consistent. If the 493 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: whole party's going to be about Trump, then just put 494 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: a Trump person, true, right. 495 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if it's going to be a called, just 496 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: get the loyalists, make. 497 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: Clear to day right, let's just put the last name 498 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: Trump and put you know. 499 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Is mke Don Junior the VP. 500 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: Pay it is what it is. I don't support it, 501 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 2: but I'm just like that clearly that's a Republican reality. 502 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: I was once in the Trump hotel when Don Junior 503 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: walked in, and it was literally like it was like 504 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: being in a hundred years ago when a Habsburg prince 505 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: must have walked into like a vdah. 506 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: It was crazy. 507 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: I mean I watched people grown men in Carhart jackets 508 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: lose their minds over the son of the President. And 509 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: I was like, do you think Chelsea Clinton is getting 510 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: greeted like this anywhere? 511 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, she'd probably get walked into the. 512 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: Rich Carlton or whatever New York and people are like, 513 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: you know, they'll give it an acknowledgement, but they're not. 514 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: There's no person now. Back in the heyday of like 515 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: the Clinton Global Initiative, that's when she would walk into 516 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: that room. I'm sure she was treated with, you know, 517 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: fawning admiration back when she was being hired by NBC crews. 518 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: What about Sasha Obama? 519 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: Right Like I once walked past Stash Obama on the 520 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 2: street in Georgetown. You would never have known it if 521 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: it wasn't the Factor Secret Service guy was right behind her. 522 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: It's just different, you know, in terms of the way 523 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: that the parties are anyway. 524 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: Sick country we live in. It's a crazy country. This 525 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: was amusing as well. I'm interested in Sager's take on this. 526 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: So Trump put this post up on true Social basically 527 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: calling for people to forgive and forget when it comes 528 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: to bud Light. Put this up on the screen so 529 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: I can read this in its entirety quote the bud 530 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: Light ad was a mistake of epic proportions, and for 531 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: that a very big price was paid. But Anheiser Busch 532 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: is not a woke company, but I can give you 533 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: plenty that are and building a list. It might just 534 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: release it for the world to see. Why not. The 535 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: radical left does it viciously to well run conservative companies 536 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: and people. Very nasty, but it's the way they play 537 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: the game. On the other hand, Ann Heeiser Busch spends 538 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: seven hundred million dollars a year with our great farmers, 539 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: employ sixty five thousand Americans, of which fifteen hundred veterans, 540 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: and is a founding corporate partner of Folds of Honor, 541 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: which provides scholarships for families of fallen servicemen and women. 542 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: They've raised over thirty million dollars given forty four thousand scholarships. 543 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: Ann Heiser Busch is a great American brand that perhaps 544 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: deserves a second chance. What do you think, perhaps since dead, 545 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: we should be going after those companies that are looking 546 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: to destroy America? Or your thoughts on this dagger? 547 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: Well? First of all, who wrote that like an Anheuser 548 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: Busch spokesperson twenty five thousand Americans, fifteen hundred of which. 549 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: As like, who wrote that, just clearly somebody. He definitely 550 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: didn't hit all these facts on the top of his head. 551 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's like, listen, I met Trump. He 552 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: he's not that coaching, all right. He definitely doesn't know 553 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: things like that at the top of this. 554 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: So what's going on here? 555 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 2: That's upon some digging by some conservative activists, it turns out, 556 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: let's put this up there on the screen that after 557 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: the year long now boycott, it turns out that Trump 558 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: not only is their top lobbyist, a major fundraiser for 559 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: him Anheuser Busch, but that Trump himself actually owns up 560 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: to five million dollars in Anheuser Busch stock. And why 561 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 2: I think is hilarious is that Trump is just one 562 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: of those people who has the ability to take. 563 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: A conservative call. 564 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: You know, if this was Marco Rubio, if this was 565 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: if this was I mean even Ted Cruz, Marjorie any 566 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: of these people. 567 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: Matt Gates people who are literally anyone else. 568 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: Anyone else, they would be savaged by the conservative faithful. 569 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: But they give him a pass even when he does 570 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: like blatantly liberal things, or he just like stabs conservative 571 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: orthodoxy in the heart. In many cases it's very useful, 572 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: like when we're talking about tax cuts or whatever, or tariffs. 573 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: That's a better example because he was actually quite conservative 574 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: on tax cuts traditionally. 575 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: But whenever it's. 576 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: Stuff like this, people who are like pro life, and 577 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: you know, in this case anti bud Light are just 578 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: left like shocked. 579 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: They're like, this is all that I worked for and 580 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: they just destroyed it. 581 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: The perfect example is Matt Walsh, who over at the 582 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: Daily Wire, let's put this please up there on the screen. 583 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: He put this out there. 584 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: He says, quote, we managed to organize the first effective 585 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: conservative boycott ever. Nobody has given any good reason why 586 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: we should surrender now without an apology or concession, and 587 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 2: heiser Busch isn't even an American company. We would be 588 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for the sake 589 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: of rescuing a foreign corporation from the consequences of its 590 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: own action. Absolute madness. But you know what, I really 591 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: noted The word Trump is not. 592 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: In that true. It was greatly in a. 593 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: Follow up that he says, Trump getting those strategic reason 594 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: why abandoning this one single thing would be a good idea. 595 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: Apparently we should back off because it would be a 596 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: nice thing to do, and it's very important to be 597 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: nice to people who push transgenderism. But you know, again, 598 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 2: what's shocking to me is that if you look at 599 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: the comments, if you look at the you know, the 600 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 2: if you look at like the quote tweets and some 601 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 2: of the replies and stuff, people are like, well, it's okay, guys, 602 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: because Dana White over at UFC signed to deal with them, 603 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: so they're cool. It's like everyone does jiu jitsu to 604 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: justify why Trump can say something that any again, any 605 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: conservative influencer, any Republican politician, anyone, Dan Crunch, whatever, they 606 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: would be savage beyond belief. They would be mounting boycotts, 607 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: they would be you know, pushing a primary candidate and 608 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: all this other stuff. And here where he has a 609 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: blatant conflict of interest and is going against something which 610 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: was I mean, I can tell you from social media 611 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: wise and all this stuff, this is the most successful 612 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: conservative things I've ever seen. And Trump just comes out 613 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 2: and he's like, no, we're not doing it anymore. 614 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 615 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 7: You know. 616 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: It's like even guy like Walsh I would say relatively 617 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: consistent in his views and all that he knows, like 618 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: he's like, I'm gonna get chin On for this. It's 619 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: just it's nuts the way that Trump just gets a 620 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: pass by his voters. 621 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if Nikki had done that tress. 622 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 8: And especially if she owns stock in that corporate can 623 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 8: you believe forget about Instagram accounts and all these people 624 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 8: constantly talk about Nancy Pelotzi and con which we agree with. 625 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: We're one of the people who started that movement. You 626 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: can go back and roll the tape. But it's like 627 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 2: with Trump, it's he just gets everything. 628 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 8: You know. 629 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: I was just at the Trump well the Waldorf for 630 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: story Now, and I was walking around and just remember 631 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: like the Bonanza what it was at the time. I 632 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: remember seeing foreign diplomats and all these people blowing all 633 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: this money at the hotel, and at that time, I 634 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 2: was like, this is so disgusting and so crazy. And 635 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: of course only Democrats cared right at that time. And 636 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: then you know Biden or Hunter whatever, oh mum's the word. 637 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: Nobody says yeah when. 638 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: It's Kushner, then suddenly oh yeah, yeah Kushner, than we don't, 639 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: or when it's literally Trump getting money directly through his 640 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: hotels and whatever. Don't care. I mean, this is like 641 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: a typical of classically swampy behavior. It's terrible regard obviously, 642 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Like I so, just so people recall in case you follow, 643 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: all the ins and outs of this all was sparked 644 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: by one like trans influencer at that but Late Light 645 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: decided to do and it caused this whole thing. But 646 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, being effect like it genuinely 647 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: was a huge thing on social media. It genuinely impacted 648 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: their stock price, they pulled the ads, There was a 649 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: whole thing at the corporate level, and it also sparked 650 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: these follow on trends of then going after Target and 651 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: going after this and that other company. So you know, 652 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: if those if that's what you're into, He's right that 653 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: it was successful, and it's just it is just another 654 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: instance of how much pull Trump has with this entire party. 655 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: And the other thing is, though, you know, you have 656 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: to think about now, he's very clearly heading into a 657 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: general election, and he doesn't need freaks and weirdos like 658 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Matt Walsh to love every move that he's making them 659 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: a vote for him. Of course they're gonna vote for him. 660 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: They're going to rally the faithful, They're going to rally 661 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: all their audiences for him. So he doesn't need to appease. I mean, 662 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't care. He can do what he wants and 663 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: appear much more of a He has a good sensibility 664 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: of like normy impulse and some a lot of this 665 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: right wing influencer stuff is just completely off the rows, 666 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: like the Taylor Swift sigh up stuff, which is noteworthy. 667 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: This comes at that moment too, because bud Light is 668 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: tied into the whole, that whole thing because I guess 669 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey did some bud light ad Oh you didn't 670 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, it was drinking, but that there was 671 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: some bud light situation here as well. That was part 672 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: of the bud Light necklace. There you go. It's part 673 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: of the whole conspiracy around Taylor and Travis Kelcey and 674 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: so which makes the look like such crazy freaks and 675 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: weirdos that they're like obsessing over these weird you know, 676 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: deep state sigh up conspiracies. And he also has fingers 677 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: on the pulse of like this is not going to 678 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: resonate with normal people whatsoever. So I think there's an 679 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: element of that as well, of like he doesn't have 680 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: to care about those people anymore. 681 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: I would be curious to see what happens with the 682 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: tailor thing because I could see Trump be because the 683 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: only reason is that the people around Trump have been 684 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: tweeting about this tailor thing, and I actually think it's 685 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: one of those things that he would pick up at 686 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: dinner at mar a Lago and he might fire off 687 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: a truth. So I'm not convinced yet that he may 688 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 2: not trash Taylor Swift eventually, even if she does not 689 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: endorse me. 690 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: I think that work. You might be right. I think 691 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: he's too smart to do it personally. 692 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: You know what. The one thing is that Trump does 693 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: understand is he understands media, and he understands when somebody 694 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: is more powerful than him. By all accounts, the person 695 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: who he feared most and he was resident was Oprah. 696 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: He was always like, if she runs against me, I'm toast. 697 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: It's one of those smart like But you know, he 698 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: probably was right, so I guess we should give him 699 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: another media credit. Any Anyways, this whole thing is just 700 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: you know, these concervative infludentals. Other people, It's like they 701 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: have no backbone like you know, wall shure he stood 702 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: upgainst them, But how many of these people who were cheering. 703 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: I saw people make YouTube channels that went to one 704 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: and a half million just shitting on bud light and 705 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: it was fun. 706 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: Listen. I enjoyed it. 707 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 2: It was a fun thing to watch and to all 708 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: that take place. But they'd have no word, you know, 709 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: not one whenever it comes to Trump or something like this. 710 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: And as I said, if it was Nikki, if it 711 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: was anybody else, they would savage them. 712 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 3: And the icing on the cake, not only that is 713 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: the stock and. 714 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: The fact that that is such an obviously ghost written 715 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: tweet by some lobbyists, it's craziness. 716 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when of the you know, writing was always 717 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: on the wall with regards to the Republican primary because 718 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: this has always been the dynamic. It is true, it's 719 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: always been the case. And that's why I was never 720 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: convinced that anything Ronda Santis could say, or anything Nicki 721 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: Haley could say, we're going to move people off of him, 722 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: because they just you know, they still really like this 723 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: guy and they're gonna go down with the ship if 724 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: that's what it takes. They're going to stick by him 725 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: no matter what he says, what he does, how contradictory, whatever, 726 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Absolutely so, guys, as we've been reporting, 727 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: there have been active negotiations for another ceasefire agreement, a 728 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: temporary or even a potentially permanent ceasefire. Hamas returned their 729 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: counterproposal and bb Netna, who has rejected it completely out 730 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: of hand. Let's take a listen to some of his comments. 731 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 9: I came here this evening to say, we are on 732 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 9: our way to that decisive victory. It is in our hands. 733 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 9: It's not a matter of perhaps weeks, but it is 734 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 9: in a matter of months. The IDF for working systematically, 735 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 9: and they will achieve all the objectives of the war. 736 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 9: They're going to release all the hostages, eliminate Hamas, and 737 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 9: Gaza will no longer be a threat to Israel. The 738 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 9: achievements of the IDF are unprecedented. Within four months, the 739 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 9: Ideaf have wounded and killed over twenty thousand terrorists. In 740 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 9: other words, we're talking about all those brigades that we 741 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 9: have actually achieved to eliminate. 742 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: There is, first of all, no evidence that they have 743 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: killed twenty thousand fighters, and even independent analysts, even a 744 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: former general from the US said that their success has 745 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: been incredibly limited. They have not taken out the top 746 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: top Hamas leadership, they've not destroyed the tunnel system. So he's, 747 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, really trying to convince the Israeli people that 748 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: victory is just around the corner, just months away, just 749 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: at hand, and they're going to get the hostages released, 750 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, and so it's fine to reject 751 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: this deal. Of course, the reality is that they've killed 752 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: more of their own hostages by quite a number at 753 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: this point, than they've been able to rescue through military operations. 754 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: The only time hostage releases were secured was during the 755 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: last temporary ceasefire. So I want to give you a 756 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: sense of what the Hamas counterproposal was because you know, 757 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: the media doesn't cover it in depth, and also because 758 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: the US is saying it contains non starters quote unquote 759 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: non starters. Yeah, one of those non starters is that 760 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: they actually want the war to end, and the US 761 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: and Israel do not want the war to end. Let's 762 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: go and put this up on the screen. The basic 763 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: idea here. I'm not going to read all of this, guys, 764 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: ab I'll give you the top line. The basic idea 765 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: here is for a three stage deal, with different groups 766 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: being released in each of those stages. In the first stage, 767 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: they say they would see a temporary cessation of military operations, 768 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: and the two parties will release Israeli detainees from among 769 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: women and children under the age of nineteen, not conscripted, 770 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: the elderly, the sick, in exchange for a number of 771 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: Palestinian prisoners, ensuring the release of all individuals whose names 772 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: are pre agreed upon during this stage. Also critical here 773 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: they say they want to start reconstruction of hospitals across 774 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 1: the strip, and that last bullet this part is also 775 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: really important beginning of indirect negotiations regarding the requirements necessary 776 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: for restoring complete calm. So effectively, in the first stage, 777 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: you'd start some reconstruction, you have a total pull out 778 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: of the Israeli military, you'd have this first batch of 779 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: hostages released in Palestinian prisoners exchange, and you would start 780 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: negotiations to a complete end of the conflict. That's the 781 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: part that really is the non starter quote unquote for 782 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: the Israelis in the US. Let's put the next piece 783 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: up on the screen here regarding second stage, it would 784 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: be another forty five days. This stage aims to release 785 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: all detained men, civilians and conscripts in exchange for specific 786 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: numbers of Palestinian prisoner's continuation of humanitarian measures. So the 787 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: basic idea here is you sort of continue the projects 788 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: of reconstruction and the continued negotiations while men and idea 789 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: of soldiers are released in exchange for Palestinian prisoners. Put 790 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: the next piece up on the screen. In the third stage, 791 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: you'd have a complete cessation of military operations from both sides, 792 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: read deployment of Israeli forces away from populated areas. Both 793 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: parties will release all Israeli detainees from among women and 794 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: children under the age of nineteen, not conscripted, elderly sick, 795 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: in exchange for all prisoners and the occupations prisons, including women, children, elderly. 796 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: Let's put the last piece up on the screen. This 797 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: is also the stage where any hostage dead bodies, because 798 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: there's somewhere around fifty hostages who have been killed at 799 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: this point, unsurprising given that they're in the Gaza strip 800 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: under heavy bombardment. At this point. There's some other pieces here, 801 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: like stopping the incursions and aggression by Israeli settlers on 802 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: Al Azamas, returning the situation all Oxamas to what it 803 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: was before two thousand and two. That may not sound 804 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: like a big deal, that is considered kind of a 805 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: big ass return of displaced persons, ensuring opening of all crossings, 806 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: lifting an Israeli restrictions on the movement of travelers, patients 807 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: and the wounded through that Rafa crossing, resupplying the Gaza strip, 808 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: and the occupations commitment to supplies supplying Gaza with its 809 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: electricity and water needs. So that was a lot, guys. 810 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: But basically the idea from the Hamas proposal was these 811 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: three stages, different types of hostages released in each stage, 812 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: with the idea that the negotiations would be ongoing to 813 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: bring about a complete end of the conflict. And so 814 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: howber that's the piece that's really considered a non starter. 815 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: We can also get Tony Blincoln responded to these negotiations. 816 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: He's claiming the negotiations aren't dead. I don't know whether 817 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,720 Speaker 1: that's true or not. You can't really leave a word 818 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: that comes out from any of these people's mouths, by 819 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: the way, but let's take a listen to his response 820 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: to the Hamas proposal. 821 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 7: We've looked very carefully at what came back from Hamas, 822 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 7: and there are clearly non starters in what it's put forward, 823 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 7: but we also see space in what came back to 824 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 7: pursue negotiations to see if we can get to an 825 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 7: agreement with regard to Rafa. Look, as I said before, 826 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 7: Israel has the responsibility, has the obligation to do everything 827 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 7: possible to ensure that civilians are protected and that they 828 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 7: get the assistance they need in the course of this conflict. 829 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 7: Any military campaign, military operation that Israel undertakes needs to 830 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 7: put civilians first and foremost in mind, and I suggested 831 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 7: again some ways to do that. And that's especially true 832 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 7: in the case of Rafa, where there are somewhere between 833 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 7: one point two and one point four million people, many 834 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 7: of them displaced from other parts of Gaza. So we 835 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 7: want to make sure again that in anything that's done 836 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 7: in any military operations, the situation for civilians is first 837 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 7: and foremost in mind, and that necessary steps are taken 838 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 7: to make sure that they're protected and they have the 839 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 7: assistance they need. 840 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: So a few things there, I mean. First of all, 841 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: Gany describes the Hamas proposal as a non starter, and 842 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: largely because you can read into that they want the 843 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: war to end. And I'm going to show you some 844 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: pulling in just a minute that shows you exactly why 845 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: bb Netyahu does not want the war to end, which 846 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: is because Israelly citizens overwhelmingly want his ass out of 847 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: there once the war does end, So that's always been 848 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: his posture. The other piece that's really important there, though, 849 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: is he's talking about Rafa. And the reason that's so 850 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: significant is because as Palestinians were forced out of Gaza City, 851 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: they were forced down to communis then they were forced 852 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: down to Rafa. Now you have over a million people 853 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: clustered at the border, and Israel signaling that they are 854 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: planning to widen their operation to that Rafa border. Well, 855 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: you can only imagine, I mean, it's already a total 856 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: humanitarian catastrophe there. You can only imagine if you start 857 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: having scenes of battle and intense bombing and all of 858 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: that on top of this incredibly densely packed civilian population 859 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: clustered now in Rafa, what kind of a catastrophe that 860 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: would be. I mean, even given the levels of destruction 861 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: and chaos and atrocities that we've seen, it could be 862 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: the case that we haven't seen anything yet compared to 863 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: what could unfold in Rafa. 864 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 2: That's actually where obviously, that's also why Blinkn is so concerned, 865 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: at least privately. 866 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: Let's put this sump there on many end. 867 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 2: He's got it up here, Tony, Sorry, Tony, Blinkn was 868 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 2: actually directly this is from Axios yesterday by the Defense 869 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 2: Minister that if they do have a rejection of the ceasefire, 870 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 2: that the operation into Gaza quote will expand in the 871 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: city that have now mostly remained unharmed. Blincoln told the 872 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 2: Lot told Blincoln during this meeting that this will push 873 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: them into continuation of the ground operation, and that the 874 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 2: response they said was drafted in a way that they 875 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 2: believe that Israel World rejected the Hamas position will just 876 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 2: lead to the continuation of the war and our forces 877 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 2: to enter more places in Gaza soon. 878 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: So pretis rallies never have any responsibility for their actions. 879 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 2: The clear point that they're making there is that they're like, 880 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 2: this is going to continue. Part of the reason why 881 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: that this could actually be the most explosives. 882 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: It was like, look, we've already had what. 883 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 2: Tens of thousands of civilians who have been killed two 884 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: to one, maybe in three to one in ratio. Nobody 885 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 2: even really knows what it is. But because the civilian 886 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 2: population is so densely populated here, it is actually conceivable 887 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 2: that if air strikes and ground operations were to be continued, 888 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 2: especially if they were going to operate the same way 889 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 2: they did in Communis in Gaza. No reason to think 890 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: they're not, that the civilian population or the civilian death 891 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 2: toll would actually be even higher. There's also way more 892 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 2: tunnel mileage under the Rafa crossing than there is anywhere 893 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 2: else in the rest of the Gaza strip, which means 894 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 2: that it will be deadlier for the IDF and then 895 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 2: more likely that they would have to use or will 896 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: use bombs that will. 897 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: Try to collapse him. I'm interested. 898 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 2: So there's a piece of news that just flashed, and 899 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 2: I wanted to know what your take was. Here they 900 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 2: say Israel will allow the exile actually of Ya Sinoar 901 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 2: from Gaza in exchange for the release of all remaining 902 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 2: of all the remaining one hundred and thirty six hostages. 903 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 2: NBC is reporting now, citing six Israeli officials and senior advisors. 904 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: Do you think that could be a way out of this. Oh, 905 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: go ahead. I mean, they're just my understanding of the proposal, 906 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: and you can crack me if I'm wrong, because I 907 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: just saw the headline as well. But is that basically 908 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we'll let you live if you know, 909 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: basically like give up. And I can't imagine that he 910 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: would agree to those sort of terms. So no, I 911 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: don't see it is likely to you know, lead to 912 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: any sort of padforward. 913 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was just the only Well, I 914 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 2: guess it's one of those counters where they want the 915 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 2: release of all in exchange for one and that would 916 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 2: be exile and then you know, it's not like it 917 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 2: would actually give anything up and he likely would be 918 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 2: killed anyway, you know, after he left, so he Yeah, 919 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't seem like there's going to be 920 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,439 Speaker 2: any sort of negotiation. The real thing is is that 921 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 2: the reason why I think that this is just all 922 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 2: kind of just arguing over rhetoric is do these Raelies 923 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 2: really believe that you're going to have a two month 924 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 2: seas fire and resumption of military operations. I can't think 925 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 2: of a single time in the past of modern conflict 926 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 2: where you have sixty whole days of no fire and 927 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 2: you have then a resumption of military hostilities. It just 928 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 2: doesn't especially even more ramped up comas. I mean, listen, 929 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 2: they took those hostages for a reason. They know it's 930 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 2: an emotional issue. Number one, They're not gonna give up 931 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 2: all their leverage, you know, if it doesn't mean to 932 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 2: have a complete end to this. I am not justifying this. 933 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 2: I think they should all be released. I'm just saying, 934 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 2: like you know, from a pure cold calculation perspective, if 935 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 2: they know this is the one chance that they have 936 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 2: basically from total annihilation, If they haven't even you know, 937 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 2: whatever they faced, it could be a lot worse. So 938 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 2: they didn't have hostages or within them because of the 939 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 2: Israeli populous which, as you said, polling indicates how important 940 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 2: that issue is to the Israelis themselves. 941 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a pull that just came out of 942 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: Israeli society that asks, hey, what do you think the 943 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: goals of the military operation should be? What should take precedence? 944 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: And a majority actually put fifty one percent put bringing 945 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: home the hostages over destroying Hamas. Only thirty six percent 946 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: said destroying Hamas. And I mean, of course neither goal 947 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: has been accomplished. Neither has been the real goal of 948 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: the net Nyahu government. As we've discussed at length, they've 949 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: been incredibly ineffective at actually eradicating Hamas. They've only been 950 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: effective at complete destruction of civilian infrastructure and massive civilian 951 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: death tolls. That's what they have been very effective doing. 952 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: You know, even the tunnel system has not been remotely destroyed. 953 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: So and of course, as I said before, you know 954 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: a lot of hostage families from the beginning, they have 955 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 1: been saying, hey, we would take a deal that's all 956 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: hostages released for all Palestinian prisoners release what they call 957 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: all for all. So while the US government and the 958 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: net Yahoo government are saying the Hamas deal is a 959 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: non starter, please understand that many Israelis, even you know 960 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: who don't have to be peace necks, but even you know, 961 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: families of the hostages, they would be very open to 962 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 1: a deal like this if it meant that they're family members. 963 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: That all one hundred and thirty six of the hostages, 964 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 1: those who remain alive, because a number of them somewhere 965 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: around estimates are around fifty have been killed during this conflict. 966 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: But some sort of deal of what Hamas has offered 967 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: here that would bring all of the hostages home. They 968 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: would be very open to. But again, the domestic political 969 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: calculus for Biebe is he's got to keep the war 970 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: going because if he doesn't, then his political ragin is 971 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: going to be at an end. So please understand when 972 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: they say it's a non starter, that's what they consider 973 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: to be a non starter, the idea that the war 974 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: would actually end. We have another thing I can put 975 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: up on the screen. I mean, to me, this is 976 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,720 Speaker 1: just more theater, but put this up on the screen. 977 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: Netanyahu reacting to President Biden's like little pitoy sanctions on 978 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: four settlers, he called them inappropriate and highly problematic. You know, 979 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: does he is he really upset about this? I don't know, Probably, 980 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: I guess, But also I think it benefits him for 981 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: his right wing base to act like he's outraged. It 982 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: benefits actually President Biden for the Israelis to act outraged 983 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: because it makes this pitily you know, sort of pathetic 984 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: virtue signaling action that they took. It makes it a 985 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: year morning meaningful than it actually was. So anyway, that's 986 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: his reaction as they were quote unquote inappropriate and highly 987 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: problematic at the same time, there's some really significant developments 988 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: unfolding vis a vis Saudi Arabia's role in all of this. 989 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: So the Biden administration has been trying to float what 990 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: Thomas Friedman labeled the quote unquote Biden doctrine for the 991 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: future of the Middle East and essentially involved Saudi Arabia 992 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: normalizing relations with Israel at the end of all of this, 993 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: even though the Saudis have really indicated, hey, we're not 994 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: interested in that unless there is a Palestinian state, something 995 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: that of course net Nyaho rejects completely out of hand 996 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: also as a non starter. So Kirby, John Kirby put 997 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: this up on the screen, had just said recently that, oh, 998 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: we received positive feedback from Saudi Arabia and Israel that 999 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: they're willing to continue to have normalization discussions. These were 1000 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: ongoing before October seventh, to recall was according to again 1001 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: White House National Security spokesman John Kirby. This apparently really 1002 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: pissed off the Saudist because they felt the need to 1003 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: put out a statement directly in response and even sort 1004 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: of like calling out John Kirby directly that this does 1005 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: not reflect their position at all. Put this up on 1006 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: the screen. So this is a statement from the Ministry 1007 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: of Foreign Affairs regarding the discussions between Saudi Arabia, USA 1008 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: and the Arab Israeli peace process. Let me read this 1009 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,919 Speaker 1: isn't all that long, they see. The Ministry of Foreign 1010 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: Affairs stated that regarding the discussions between Saudi and USA 1011 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: and the Arab Israeli peace process, and in light of 1012 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: what has been attributed to the US National Security spokesperson 1013 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: that would be Kirby, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs affirms 1014 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 1: that the position of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has always 1015 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: been steadfast on the Palestinian issue and the necessity that 1016 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: the brotherly Palestinian people obtain their legitimate rights. The Kingdom 1017 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: has communicated its firm position to the US administration that 1018 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: there will be no diplomatic relations with Israel unless an 1019 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: independent Palestinian state is recognized on the nineteen sixty seven 1020 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: borders with East Jerusalem as is capital, and that the 1021 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 1: Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip stops and all Israeli 1022 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: occupation forces withdraw from the Gaza Strip. The Kingdom reiterates 1023 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: its call to the permanent members the UN Security Council 1024 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: that have not yet recognized Palestinian state, to expedite the 1025 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: recognition of the Palestinian state on the nineteen sixty seven 1026 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, so that the 1027 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 1: Palestinian people can obtain their legitimate rights, and so that 1028 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: a comprehensive and just peace is achieved for all. I 1029 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: mean it's somewhat diplomatic language, but sagur in the like 1030 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: diplomatics speak. This is as much of an over the 1031 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: top SmackDown as you could possibly get in the situation. 1032 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 2: The reason it matters is because Saudi normalization is something 1033 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 2: that the Israelis have wanted for years. Look the Saudi 1034 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,840 Speaker 2: royal family themselves, they don't care about the Palestinians and 1035 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 2: they don't even care about Israelis. But Saudi Arabia is 1036 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 2: a big country. They have a big population, yeah, their population. 1037 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 2: They care a lot about the Palasts. This is the 1038 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 2: thing that many people don't understand is that the golf 1039 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 2: monarchies and even you know, the monarchy of Jordan for example. 1040 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 2: These people are educated in the West. I mean they 1041 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,879 Speaker 2: you know, they're real politique. As long as they can 1042 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 2: hang out on the south of France, they don't care. 1043 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: But they're people. 1044 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 2: I mean, in many cases they're poor, and they're very 1045 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 2: identified with the Palestinian cause they are not as integrated 1046 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 2: with Western society and all that. And for them this 1047 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,320 Speaker 2: is a deeply emotional issue such that if the Saudis 1048 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,439 Speaker 2: are seen to leave the Palestinians behind in any way 1049 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,359 Speaker 2: by normalizing relationship, it's just it's a. 1050 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: Complete non starter. 1051 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 2: It would actually put the monarchy at risk, something that 1052 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 2: they will never withstand. Part of the reason that they've 1053 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 2: been and taken the posture that they've had. It's something 1054 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 2: that the US and in my opinion diplomats often forget 1055 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 2: in our dealings with them, is like the Saudi king 1056 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 2: does not speak for. 1057 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: The Saudi people. 1058 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 2: Sometimes he does, but you know, in cases like this, 1059 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 2: definitely not. 1060 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't get edged. 1061 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 2: Most of these people ain't educated in the Sandhurst or 1062 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 2: Georgetown or whatever. 1063 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: Like. 1064 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 2: They are Arab and their very identification with the Arab 1065 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 2: with Arab nationalism, with Arab cause, and they hate Israel 1066 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:45,760 Speaker 2: with the fiery passion. 1067 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there was a uh, there was a 1068 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: I think it was a league or maybe an administration 1069 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: official officially said this on the record, but they put 1070 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: out to the press like, oh, just before October seventh, 1071 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: we totally were going to work on with Saudi this 1072 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: track to Palestinians statehood, and then October seven just ruined 1073 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: every It's total nonsense. The Saudi thought they could get 1074 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: away with normalization when the Palestinians were being erased as 1075 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: an issue, and when they're completely on the back burner. 1076 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: No longer possible because of all of the energy in 1077 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,800 Speaker 1: Saudi and throughout the region on behalf of the Palestinian people. 1078 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: And as I said to you before, Sager, you know 1079 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these countries have been sort of humiliated 1080 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: by South Africa who stepped up and they were the 1081 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: ones that filed the charges with the ICJ and accused 1082 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 1: Israel of genocide. Any one of these countries could have 1083 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: done the same, but they didn't. And so even though 1084 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: it's a monarchy, it's not anything close to a democracy, 1085 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: they still have to respond to pressure from their people. 1086 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: And if they were seen so for John Kirby to 1087 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: be out there like, oh yeah, they're still interested in 1088 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,399 Speaker 1: normalizing with Israel without having a clear cut Palestinian state 1089 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: Along nineteen sixty seven porters, they felt the need to 1090 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: be like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That is not 1091 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 1: our position at all. We told you that's not our position. 1092 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: We are very clear about where we stand on all 1093 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: of this, and so it really is once again extraordinary 1094 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: humiliation and rebuke of the US and our posture in 1095 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: the region. The last thing that I want to share 1096 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: with you with regard to Israel, because there was a 1097 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: lot of interesting polling that recently came out about the 1098 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: Israeli people themselves put this up on the screen. So 1099 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,320 Speaker 1: it continues to be the case that majority of Israelis 1100 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: safety do not want a Palestinian state or peace with 1101 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: Arab countries. Half of Israelis would oppose a deal to 1102 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: end the war in Gods if it includes Palestinian statehood 1103 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,399 Speaker 1: and peace agreements with other Arab countries. Only thirty nine 1104 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 1: percent think Israel is ensuring the security of its citizens 1105 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,360 Speaker 1: as well. So there's you know, real indictment of the 1106 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: current Israeli government that's kind of across the board. In addition, 1107 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,439 Speaker 1: this again understated scores the weakness of Netnyahu's position. About 1108 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: seventy one percent of Israelis would like to see early elections. 1109 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,479 Speaker 1: Their current elections are scheduled for November twenty twenty six. 1110 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: Seventy one percent are saying no, no, no, no, no, we 1111 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 1: can't wait till then. We got to either have them, 1112 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: and there's a split in opinion between we should just 1113 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: have them right now, which is of what the quote 1114 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: unquote left in Israel once and the Arab population in 1115 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 1: Israel once, or hey, we can wait till the war's over, 1116 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: but then we need to have elections, so that polling 1117 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,080 Speaker 1: is in the back of Netanyahu and the rest of 1118 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: the war cabinet by the way of their mind when 1119 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,880 Speaker 1: they're making all of these decisions about how to proceed. 1120 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: And then I reference this before, but I want to 1121 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: underscore it again. They also asked about the main goals 1122 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,480 Speaker 1: of the war in Gaza, whether bringing home the Israeli 1123 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,479 Speaker 1: hostages are Topplinghamas should be the priority. About half said 1124 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 1: bringing home the hostages fifty one percent should be the 1125 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,320 Speaker 1: main focus, while thirty six percent said it should be 1126 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: destroying the terror group in the strip. But you know, 1127 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: you have a majority of Israeli societies as we do 1128 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 1: not want a Palestinian state. And what does that tell you? 1129 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: It tells you that if it is going to be. 1130 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: If that's going to be a real thing and not 1131 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: just a thing that US politicians say to pretend like 1132 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,880 Speaker 1: they give a shit about Palestinians, then the US is 1133 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: going to have to really use some muscle and basically 1134 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: force a solution on the Israelis. That's really the only 1135 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: way that this would ever happen. And even then it 1136 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: would be, you know, not a certain situation absolutely. 1137 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,240 Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is is that emotions run hot. 1138 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 2: I would say that if you are in the middle 1139 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 2: of a hostage situation in a full blown war, and 1140 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 2: you've still got the polling where it is right now, 1141 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,439 Speaker 2: a couple of years from now, guns are not there, 1142 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,880 Speaker 2: some hostages get returned, I could see a difference in 1143 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 2: the opinion. I mean, it's one of those where I 1144 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 2: actually was shocked by the numbers, considering I thought it 1145 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 2: would be two thirds or you know, maybe even three 1146 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 2: forts who were opposed to a Palestinian state. I think 1147 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,439 Speaker 2: people there are going to get to a point too 1148 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 2: where look, right now you're in but war fever. You 1149 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 2: know you're in the middle of it. Take a year, Israelis. 1150 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 2: You guys love to travel. 1151 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 1: And I'll meet you all over the world. 1152 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,240 Speaker 2: Try traveling a little bit see what the global reaction 1153 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 2: is like. You know, if you get denied from a 1154 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 2: few countries, get meet people in a hostel or whatever. 1155 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,879 Speaker 3: They're like, oh, you know, you're you know, something like that. 1156 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 2: That's going to start to sting, and then you're gonna 1157 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 2: have to get to a situation where you have to 1158 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 2: reconcile yourself to the international community on top of US pressure. 1159 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 2: And I could see things going to fifty percent or 1160 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 2: so not that long from now. 1161 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 1: You're you're right, like, we're gonna have to there's no 1162 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: question you're gonna have to force their hand. 1163 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 2: But I also could see democratic sentiment in Israel, especially 1164 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 2: when bb is finally gone, Smo, trit Bent, all these 1165 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 2: other people no longer given you know, the bully pulpit. 1166 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 2: We're not in the middle of a war, you don't 1167 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,359 Speaker 2: have a baby being held hostage and all that. 1168 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: I could see things changing. 1169 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 10: Yeah. 1170 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,439 Speaker 1: Good, maybe, I mean, there's no guarant It is worth 1171 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,600 Speaker 1: remembering that there have been many previous situations in world 1172 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: history where you had two groups of people, you know, 1173 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: killing each other totally at odds. Seems like an intractable conflict, 1174 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: and it's actually not that long after you're able to 1175 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: negotiate some sort of settlement where there really is like 1176 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,279 Speaker 1: genuine ped every reports to Ireland. I was going to 1177 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: be the perfect example. 1178 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,319 Speaker 2: When we were in graduate school for my security thing, 1179 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 2: one of the papers very rarely school assignments stick with you, 1180 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,279 Speaker 2: but it was this like statistical study where and this 1181 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 2: sounds weird, but the more attempts at ceasefire that there are, 1182 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 2: the more likely peace is there in the end. And 1183 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,799 Speaker 2: it sounds trite, but what it really means is that 1184 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,319 Speaker 2: the mere act of talking, even though most talks will 1185 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,319 Speaker 2: fall apart, is a precursor to an eventual piece. It 1186 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,399 Speaker 2: actually makes sense, which is if you don't talk at all, 1187 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 2: then you can ever arrive at piece. And so even 1188 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 2: though most talks are intractable, they fail, they fall apart. 1189 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,160 Speaker 2: I think the vast majority of ceasefires actually have resumption 1190 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,239 Speaker 2: of conflict, not two months like what I was talking about. 1191 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 2: You know, for example, in Syria, we negotiate a seasefire 1192 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 2: and we have one two days later it kept, we 1193 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 2: had nine, ten, eleven, twelve. 1194 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: Whatever. 1195 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 2: The whole point though, is that the mere act of 1196 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 2: talking eventually does lead to breakdown to breakthroughs and populations 1197 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 2: can shift very very quickly whenever they are led by people. 1198 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,880 Speaker 2: So that's one that sticks with me here. And part 1199 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 2: of the reasons why I think talking even the mere 1200 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 2: act as maddening and all this is to cover is 1201 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 2: that it can be very beneficial in the future. A 1202 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 2: part of the reason I'm rooting for some sort of 1203 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 2: cease fire agreements actually come. 1204 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, on the flip side, 1205 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that whatever comes after net Nyahuo will 1206 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,319 Speaker 1: be more open to peace than Net Naho is. I mean, 1207 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: he's basically his entire career on blocking Palestinian state. There's 1208 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: a reason why you know, he's been able to ascend 1209 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: to power multiple times while staking out that position. It's 1210 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: because it's a position that is widely held in Israeli society. 1211 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 1: I do think it's noteworthy that in spite of October seventh, 1212 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: I mean, these poll numbers about statehood basically haven't really 1213 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,400 Speaker 1: moved during this current conflict, which is, you know, I 1214 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: probably would have predicted right after October seventh that, you know, 1215 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,080 Speaker 1: those in favor of a Palestinian state, I mean, it 1216 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: would just be like sort of completely wiped down. So 1217 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 1: the fact that you even have like roughly a third 1218 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 1: that is still like okay, but we should you know, 1219 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: look towards statehood or I would accept at least statehood, 1220 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, and that that hasn't further deteriorated. I guess 1221 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,920 Speaker 1: I can take that as like a positive sign that 1222 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 1: there is some potential for peace because the reality is, like, 1223 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: there is no military solution to this conflict of course, period, 1224 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 1: end of story. The only way that Israelis and Palestinians 1225 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: are going to be able to live in you know, 1226 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 1: peace and with some relative security, etc. Is through a 1227 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: negotiated settlement is the basic rights of the Palaestinian people 1228 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 1: and provide them with some sort of a of statehood, 1229 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, that's legitimate, that's not like fake like Biden's 1230 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 1: also like floating these ideas that would effectively result in 1231 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 1: what they call like state minus, which wouldn't be real sovereignty. 1232 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be something approaching genuine statehood 1233 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 1: for the situation to be resolved. 1234 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 2: But one yeah, we can look back to, yeah, is 1235 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 2: disengagement from Gaza Aerosharone. I mean, he's you know, by 1236 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,560 Speaker 2: many war criminal, right, but he was the guy behind 1237 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 2: the disengagement from Gaza. 1238 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: I have it here in front of me. 1239 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,919 Speaker 2: Sixty five percent of voters in a referendum on May second, 1240 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 2: two thousand and four oppose the disengagement plan. Government went 1241 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 2: through it anyway, you know why because the Bush administration 1242 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 2: was like, you're doing this, it's going to happen. So 1243 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 2: it's one of those where we have the ability and 1244 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 2: they can buck their own thing. And now in retrospect, 1245 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 2: you know, look, there's a lot of things to say 1246 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 2: about disengagement from Gaza and all that, but it's a 1247 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 2: good example of how they rooted their people, settlers out 1248 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 2: of the Gaza Strip and they're like you're getting kicked out, period, 1249 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 2: And the story that could be, uh, you know, that 1250 00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,919 Speaker 2: could be one of a precursor for what the West 1251 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,560 Speaker 2: would look like in the future and their ability. 1252 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: You know, if the government wants to do it, they 1253 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,840 Speaker 1: can get it done. 1254 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just going to require some political capital and 1255 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 2: then diplomatic pressure on our end. 1256 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, your point being not that that was good for Palestinians, 1257 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 1: because it wasn't. I mean, the good conditions and Gaza 1258 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: Strip dramatically deteriorator. They are an incomplete blocking and siege 1259 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: machine guns pointed in at them, et cetera. But that 1260 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 1: they did something that was unpopular with the popular Yes, exactly. 1261 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 2: The Israelis can do it if they want to. Yeah, 1262 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 2: the end result, I mean, there's a lot of people 1263 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 2: to blame for that one, mostly Bush. But we'll get 1264 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:28,919 Speaker 2: to that first. 1265 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 1: All right, guys, As you probably know by all of 1266 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 1: the videos circulating of people looking absolutely ridiculous on the street, 1267 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: the Apple Vision pro has been released. And prepare yourself, guys, 1268 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: go ahead and show the two shot because Sager just 1269 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:42,960 Speaker 1: got his mail. 1270 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,600 Speaker 2: We're here here, it is ready. How's my pass through? 1271 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 2: Can you guys see my eyes? 1272 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: No, we can't see your eyes at all. We just 1273 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,320 Speaker 1: see the reflections of like our You know what's great. 1274 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 2: I can see all of you. I can see you 1275 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 2: all be digitally rendered right here in front of me. 1276 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 2: I got my laptop screen over there. I've got some 1277 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 2: fun stuff going on over here. But I'm still about 1278 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:00,640 Speaker 2: the studio. 1279 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,080 Speaker 1: What does it feel like on your head? Like? It 1280 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,240 Speaker 1: seems like it's pretty heavy. 1281 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,760 Speaker 2: It's a bit heavy. Yeah, I'll be honest, I think 1282 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 2: that the most comfortable. So I worked for a couple 1283 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 2: of hours. Yesterday's just literally deliberate. I was actually on 1284 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 2: the phone with you whenever I have worked for a 1285 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 2: couple of hours. Yesterday, after three hours, I was like, Okay, 1286 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 2: you get like kind of a. 1287 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,920 Speaker 1: Red area that arrives on the forehead. 1288 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 2: So the best way is if you're on the couch 1289 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 2: and you're just kind of leaning. 1290 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,640 Speaker 1: Back a little bit, like resting on your face. It's 1291 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,440 Speaker 1: just totally amazing. Okay, that's even makes it even a 1292 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 1: little more dystopian, and we're all just gonna be laying 1293 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 1: on our couches in another world in these things. 1294 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,120 Speaker 2: My favorite thing and I saw crysl I'm curious what 1295 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,760 Speaker 2: you saw is a guy who had an infant who 1296 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 2: was napping on his chest and he's like, usually I 1297 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 2: can't watch TV because I can't use my hands. 1298 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,360 Speaker 3: So he had his vision pro on and he could 1299 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:44,919 Speaker 3: watch TV. 1300 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,320 Speaker 1: But we'll get to God forbid. We'd just be like 1301 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,360 Speaker 1: present with our loved ones while joining the moment of 1302 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: your precious baby sleeping on your chest. I can't say 1303 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: I've seen any favorite things. I've seen lots of things 1304 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: I've found very disturbing and dystopian. And also it's like 1305 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 1: for me this thing fits in this weird space of 1306 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: both being kind of dystopian but also kind of like 1307 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,560 Speaker 1: ridiculous and lame. But you can try to change my mind. 1308 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Let's Sager did record a video, but first I want 1309 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,160 Speaker 1: to show you some of the videos that have been 1310 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 1: circulating of other people out in the world using this monstrosity. 1311 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,280 Speaker 1: So here we have the dude who got the first one. 1312 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,240 Speaker 2: Yes, being cheered as a hero, which he is he is. 1313 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: He I wonder if he really used better. He's going 1314 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 1: to resell it because the resale has got to be 1315 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: a lot. Here's someone who is skateboarding down the streets 1316 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,720 Speaker 1: of what appears to be New York City. That's case. 1317 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,800 Speaker 1: He's a YouTuber. Oh for reality he's reviewing that looks terrifying. 1318 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 1: Here's the guy this is even more terrifying, who's doing 1319 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,520 Speaker 1: He's in a Tesla self driving, so his hands are 1320 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: not on the wheel and he was like, I don't know, 1321 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 1: clicking is the guy on the subway who's clicking and people, 1322 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, doing their thing And he just looks kind 1323 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: of like a goober, because that's what you look like 1324 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,160 Speaker 1: when you have this thing on. As we can tell 1325 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 1: from Sagary others, I'm not so sure. Look at me 1326 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,280 Speaker 1: over here, my life. You look really cool there we're 1327 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,680 Speaker 1: looking here on my computer, So soccer, where do you 1328 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 1: put this intern of? You know, there's people like myself 1329 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,480 Speaker 1: who were like, this just seems like another way to 1330 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 1: have more screens in front of your face, not particularly revolutionary. 1331 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,080 Speaker 1: There are other people who think that this is like groundbreaking, 1332 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,439 Speaker 1: that's going to be the whole new thing, new era. 1333 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Where do you fall on that spectrum? What do you 1334 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,400 Speaker 1: find to be the most sort of like, I don't know, 1335 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: revolutionary about the technology. 1336 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 3: So for me, this is just v one of the future. 1337 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:28,680 Speaker 3: I love gadgets. 1338 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,240 Speaker 2: So my dad and I were Google Glass guys, like 1339 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 2: just just so people know, you know, like we Google Glass. 1340 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: Are those guys or freaks? 1341 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 2: All right? 1342 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,240 Speaker 1: So we're one of those now. 1343 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 2: The real reason that I bought this and wanted to 1344 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,040 Speaker 2: use it and cashed out some ethereum just to be 1345 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 2: able to buy it was specifically because I thought this 1346 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 2: is the best piece of enterprise tech that I had 1347 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 2: seen yet. So Oculus, which is the meta Quest headset 1348 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 2: that they have out there, that one is much more 1349 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,040 Speaker 2: geared towards gaming, And I'm not a gamer. 1350 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't particularly care, but what. 1351 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:02,560 Speaker 2: I do love love about this is entertainment is secondary 1352 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 2: to me for the enterprise application. And what I mean 1353 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 2: by that is my sheer ability to be able to 1354 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 2: do work wherever the hell that I want to. I 1355 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,440 Speaker 2: recorded a video actually here on the Vision Pro at home, 1356 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 2: showing everyone how it was working on my monologue yesterday 1357 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 2: and kind of the cool setup that I had literally 1358 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 2: while I was sitting on my couch in my living room. 1359 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 1360 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, I am coming to you from my living room. 1361 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 2: As you can see, I want to give a little 1362 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 2: demo of how I would use the Apple Vision Pro. 1363 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 2: This is quite literally what I am doing right now. First, 1364 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,000 Speaker 2: I want to show everybody one of my coolest and 1365 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 2: favorite things about this thing, which is called the environments. 1366 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,760 Speaker 2: So currently I am fully immersed now in Joshua Tree. 1367 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,760 Speaker 2: So as you guys can see, I literally was just there, 1368 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 2: and even though I'm in my house, I swear to God, 1369 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,480 Speaker 2: I feel like I am right right there and you 1370 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,520 Speaker 2: can see a little bit of the pass through that's 1371 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 2: happening here right now. So what I have here in 1372 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,320 Speaker 2: front of me is actually the script for my monologue, 1373 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,520 Speaker 2: which I can am right, I can do some editing. 1374 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 2: This is fully functional with my laptop keyboard, which is 1375 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,760 Speaker 2: right in front of me. If I want to watch 1376 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,120 Speaker 2: a little bit of Apple TV, I can have it 1377 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 2: all right here as you guys can see. And then 1378 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 2: here I've got what you can use in terms of 1379 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,560 Speaker 2: YouTube for Safari. 1380 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 1: This is just on the browser. 1381 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,320 Speaker 2: As you guys can see, I'm like scrolling, we can 1382 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,120 Speaker 2: look this way, et cetera. If you guys want to 1383 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 2: get a little preview of the actual like the keyboard 1384 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 2: and all that, you could see here you get the 1385 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,560 Speaker 2: keyboard that pops up right here in front of you. 1386 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 2: It's actually really really cool. So for me, this is 1387 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,560 Speaker 2: just the ultimate desktop experience. I've got full three sixty 1388 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,960 Speaker 2: degree vision everywhere I look, as you guys can see 1389 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 2: you with me. Even though I am right here. I'm 1390 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 2: also using the optical insert so I don't even have 1391 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 2: my glasses that are on me right now. 1392 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,640 Speaker 3: So anyways, that's why I love this thing so far. 1393 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 2: There's my video, Crystal, What do you think You're not 1394 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 2: a little bit in transpi. 1395 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,320 Speaker 1: It now, Okay, you the biggest desktop in the world. 1396 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: You can do anything this This thing. 1397 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,120 Speaker 3: I don't. 1398 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't need more things to disconnect me or my children, 1399 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,040 Speaker 1: by the way, especially my son. I would not like 1400 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 1: kids anyone near this, I will tell you from reality, 1401 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 1: Like I already have enough ways to disconnect myself from 1402 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,240 Speaker 1: reality and be constantly distracted by work and Twitter and 1403 01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,720 Speaker 1: YouTube and whatever. So and then also, you know, I 1404 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 1: mean some of the videos I saw. I saw one 1405 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,880 Speaker 1: of this dude who was you know, It's like, oh 1406 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,000 Speaker 1: my god, I'm using the maps in Apple Vision Pro 1407 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,800 Speaker 1: and it's actually amazing, and you see the vision of 1408 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,160 Speaker 1: what is and he's just like walking down the street 1409 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,959 Speaker 1: in the map instead of being here on his phone. 1410 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,440 Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, it's right there. It's like, that's 1411 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,919 Speaker 1: not revolutionary. It's just makes you you are even more 1412 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 1: disconnected from your surroundings and even more in your own 1413 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,560 Speaker 1: bubble and have exactly the same access to tech that 1414 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,960 Speaker 1: you already had on your phone. So no, I'm not excited. 1415 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm the opposite of excited. I am anti excited 1416 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 1: about I'm sort of like dreading the possibility that this 1417 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,520 Speaker 1: thing could take off and we all be even more 1418 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,520 Speaker 1: sort of like remote and distant from each other. Here's 1419 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:03,240 Speaker 1: the case I would give. 1420 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,400 Speaker 2: The case is is that at the very least, Apple 1421 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,240 Speaker 2: is not committed to quote unquote virtual reality. 1422 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,720 Speaker 1: They're committed to augmented reality. 1423 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,360 Speaker 2: The idea being that I can see you, I'm interacting 1424 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 2: with you right now, but I can also click this 1425 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 2: button and I can throw like I've got my text 1426 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:16,880 Speaker 2: messages right now that you can't see. 1427 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 3: But that I'm literally like throwing up like here, and 1428 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,040 Speaker 3: I can look at you. 1429 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 1: When you're with someone you want to be able to 1430 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 1: talk about, see their eyeballs. 1431 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 2: How many times do you go out to eat and 1432 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,200 Speaker 2: you see what are two people who are sitting across doing. 1433 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,120 Speaker 3: They're sitting on their phones already. 1434 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,360 Speaker 1: Right, and then we'll be like, we do that more. 1435 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,040 Speaker 1: Let's just put it like right in front of our 1436 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,560 Speaker 1: eyeballs instead of having a surreptitiously It's like, I think 1437 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 1: it's better. 1438 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,840 Speaker 3: It's better I can be here. 1439 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,040 Speaker 2: So look, this is V again, this is V one, 1440 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,840 Speaker 2: Like it's going to be a lot small three to 1441 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 2: five years from now, think about iPhone one versus iPhone 1442 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,919 Speaker 2: four is a completely different change. Again, I would say 1443 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,760 Speaker 2: that the enterprise application of this is amazing now just 1444 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,240 Speaker 2: in terms of the sheer tech. The first time that 1445 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 2: you see something appear in front of your eyeballs that 1446 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,000 Speaker 2: has been placed there through is is insanity. I can 1447 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,160 Speaker 2: barely describe how what it feels like. It's like magic. 1448 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,920 Speaker 2: I honestly, it feels like magic. Whenever the first time 1449 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,120 Speaker 2: that you open it and you put it on, the 1450 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,000 Speaker 2: Hello that usually comes up on your desktop screen flashes 1451 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 2: in front of your eyes. 1452 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,240 Speaker 1: I was taking it back. I was like, oh my god. 1453 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,360 Speaker 2: You know you've seen video and all that, but it's 1454 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 2: difficult to uh to comprehend. So I mean, listen, we're 1455 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,560 Speaker 2: already in a world of tech. We've we're already addicted 1456 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,840 Speaker 2: to our phones and all that. This is just what 1457 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,760 Speaker 2: the next jump could look like. I would be much 1458 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,560 Speaker 2: I would be much more in favor of the augmented reality, 1459 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 2: the spatial computing that Apple is doing, which is an 1460 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,720 Speaker 2: extension of your already existing ecosystem and or work as 1461 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,400 Speaker 2: opposed to fully going ready player one like living in 1462 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,160 Speaker 2: a different world. So for that, I think that this 1463 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 2: accomplishes that quite well. And I mean, if you like, 1464 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 2: if you're a video editor, or if you have something 1465 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,439 Speaker 2: that you want to get really up close with, it's 1466 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,880 Speaker 2: really useful. I mean, I'm telling you like, I had 1467 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,600 Speaker 2: stuff right in front of me, and I was trying to, 1468 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 2: you know, look at a video actually, the one that 1469 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,560 Speaker 2: I shot, just frame by frame, just to see what 1470 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,479 Speaker 2: it would look like. I can't imagine you for people, 1471 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,880 Speaker 2: for the guys who work on our show, the ability 1472 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,480 Speaker 2: to like zoom in with your hands. It's just like 1473 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,800 Speaker 2: Minority Report. It feels like Minority Report is actually real. 1474 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,160 Speaker 2: So I mean, I think it's really cool. I definitely 1475 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,280 Speaker 2: think that three to five years from now, when this 1476 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,960 Speaker 2: tech is fully deployable, it could completely replace both the laptop, computer, 1477 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,200 Speaker 2: and the television, so then you have a combined thing. Also, 1478 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 2: I have a flight later today, so I'm actually really 1479 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 2: pumped to try to actually use it on the airplane. 1480 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,280 Speaker 2: So the downsides, I would be remiss if I didn't 1481 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,080 Speaker 2: give the downsides. It's heavy, let's be real. Also, this 1482 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,280 Speaker 2: Dongo battery thing, it's annoying because you have to put 1483 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,000 Speaker 2: it in your back pocket and it's only got two hours, 1484 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 2: so it costs more money if you want to buy extra. 1485 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,400 Speaker 2: The other thing I didn't realize is that you know, 1486 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,200 Speaker 2: when you download a movie or whatever on your phone, 1487 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,520 Speaker 2: it's like four hundred megs. These they are like four 1488 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,920 Speaker 2: gigs because you have to be able to throw it 1489 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 2: up in a full ten ADP or four KHD like 1490 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,800 Speaker 2: one hundred screen TV. So the hard drive on mine 1491 01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,320 Speaker 2: I got the cheapest one is like two hundred fifty 1492 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 2: six gigs or whatever. But I mean, honestly, if you're 1493 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,360 Speaker 2: trying to consume download content, you're going to need. 1494 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,360 Speaker 3: A hell of a lot of space or something like that. 1495 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 2: But overall, I mean, listen, you know, for a first try, 1496 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,360 Speaker 2: it's a risky device, and I like that. 1497 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,880 Speaker 1: I think it's cool. Mark me town as a hater skeptic. 1498 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,280 Speaker 3: We haven't even tried it on yet. 1499 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,559 Speaker 1: I'm already a hater. I'm going full like get off 1500 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,599 Speaker 1: my lawn on this one. That's good. Listen, listen, listen. 1501 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,720 Speaker 1: Just my view, every technology comes with pluses and minuses, right, 1502 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: this has so much is so much of an advance, 1503 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,760 Speaker 1: so much. You know, there's so much benefit to this, 1504 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,200 Speaker 1: and even it has massive drawbacks some of what you're 1505 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,800 Speaker 1: talking about in your model today as a matter of fact, 1506 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,439 Speaker 1: So you always have to weigh, like do the pluses 1507 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,120 Speaker 1: outweigh the minuses? And who knows, maybe I'm just not 1508 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,080 Speaker 1: creative enough to imagine the possibilities of it. But the 1509 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,760 Speaker 1: idea of like, oh, I can multitask better, or I 1510 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,479 Speaker 1: can be more consumed in my work, or I can 1511 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,080 Speaker 1: be more distracted while I'm having a conversation with people 1512 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,240 Speaker 1: right in front of me, That benefit benefit does not 1513 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:08,720 Speaker 1: outweigh the cons of increasing disconnection increasing like insolerity increasing, 1514 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,519 Speaker 1: you know, remoteness from the actual real world. My personal view. 1515 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,280 Speaker 2: Well, listen, Crystal, whenever you've done a multiple FaceTime call 1516 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,680 Speaker 2: and you're all just hanging out together and you're r 1517 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,160 Speaker 2: it feels like you're right there. We can all go 1518 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,240 Speaker 2: visit Joshua Tree together and we don't even have to go. 1519 01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,759 Speaker 1: It's that lovely. Or you could actually, yeah, you should 1520 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,040 Speaker 1: visit v you could actually touch grass as the other alternative. 1521 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,360 Speaker 2: So anyway, thank you guys for sticking with us. This 1522 01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,360 Speaker 2: is a fun review. We will what's next? Oh wet, 1523 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,120 Speaker 2: Look right, we've got media. 1524 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,800 Speaker 1: I can still read. See he's not even connected to 1525 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,559 Speaker 1: our show right now. He doesn't even know where he 1526 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,120 Speaker 1: is or what comes next in our show. 1527 01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,880 Speaker 3: I'll pull it up right here. 1528 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,720 Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, We're going to take a second, so 1529 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: Saga can take these ridiculous things off of his face, 1530 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,960 Speaker 1: and then we're going to talk about what just happened 1531 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:58,960 Speaker 1: on Fox News. So an absolutely insane situation unfolded live 1532 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,880 Speaker 1: on Fox News on Sean Hannity's program. He was in 1533 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,679 Speaker 1: the middle of interviewing the head of the quote unquote 1534 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,120 Speaker 1: Guardian Angels in New York, This dude, Curtis Lee White. 1535 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,960 Speaker 1: You guys probably heard of him. They're this sort of 1536 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,360 Speaker 1: like street vigilante group. And in the middle of the 1537 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,480 Speaker 1: live interview, they turned the cameras to the Guardian Angels 1538 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,519 Speaker 1: like beating up and putting in a headlock and throwing 1539 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,680 Speaker 1: on the ground some random dude. Take a look at 1540 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:24,759 Speaker 1: how all of this unfolds. 1541 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,400 Speaker 10: If you divide fifty three million by five hundred, that's 1542 01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,880 Speaker 10: one hundred and six thousand dollars debit card. Not a 1543 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,200 Speaker 10: bad deal. I don't think they're given them to vetsa 1544 01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,839 Speaker 10: that are homeless in New York City, not that I've heard, Curtis. 1545 01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:41,280 Speaker 4: Oh. 1546 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,439 Speaker 10: In fact, guys have just taken down one of the 1547 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,240 Speaker 10: migrant guys right here on the corner forty second and 1548 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,600 Speaker 10: seventh while did you pan the camera. 1549 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,640 Speaker 5: They've taken over, They've taken over, Like the camera. 1550 01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Over there fit all possible. Yep, you got your key open, guys, 1551 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:17,599 Speaker 1: he is Idi control Bartie control there all right now. 1552 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,200 Speaker 10: Eric Adams often complains he's getting no support from the 1553 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,920 Speaker 10: federal government to help him with the surge of Joe 1554 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,479 Speaker 10: Biden's unvetted illegals in New York, and that could be 1555 01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,519 Speaker 10: because of the so called borders. 1556 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,519 Speaker 1: Are is a little distracted right now. 1557 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,000 Speaker 10: According to a report, Vice President Harris has now suddenly 1558 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,320 Speaker 10: quote found her footing. 1559 01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,320 Speaker 1: So for those of you who are just listening, what 1560 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: you see is the camera pans over to this group 1561 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,840 Speaker 1: of quote unquote Guardian angels in red jackets wrestling this man, 1562 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,680 Speaker 1: putting him in a headlock to the ground. Okay, that's 1563 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,240 Speaker 1: what happens on screen, and then you can hear their 1564 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,320 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity sort of quickly changes the subject interview over 1565 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,639 Speaker 1: and moves ones of whatever Kamala Harrison when he has 1566 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,960 Speaker 1: up next. So later on, apparently they go back to 1567 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,559 Speaker 1: Curtis Leewa to get an explanation of like what the 1568 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,000 Speaker 1: hell just happened here? His story about this quote unquote 1569 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,360 Speaker 1: migrant guy that he claims is, you know, one of 1570 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,040 Speaker 1: these illegals that Joe Biden is letting into the city. 1571 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,120 Speaker 1: He says he had been shoplifting. First, the Guardian Angel 1572 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,720 Speaker 1: spotted him, stopped him, he resisted, and let's just say 1573 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,200 Speaker 1: we gave him a little pain. Compliance His mother back 1574 01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:23,559 Speaker 1: in Venezuela felt the vibrations. He's sucking concrete. The cops 1575 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,080 Speaker 1: scraped him off the asphalt. He's on his way to jail, 1576 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,559 Speaker 1: but they'll cut him loose. We've got to take forty 1577 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,000 Speaker 1: second street Backshawn. These illegals think they own the street. 1578 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: They think they ruled the night. This is our country. 1579 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Hannity goes on to describe the role of the Guardian 1580 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Angels as quote unquote amazing. Well, it turns out all 1581 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,599 Speaker 1: of that was completely a lie. First of all, put 1582 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 1: this up on the screen, so this is NBC News. 1583 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,720 Speaker 1: First of all, the man that they said was a 1584 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,559 Speaker 1: quote unquote migrant is in New Yorker from the Bronx. 1585 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,760 Speaker 1: Let's start there. He's from the US Number two. They 1586 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,320 Speaker 1: talked to the cops. The cops said they had no 1587 01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,479 Speaker 1: proof of the shoplifting claim. They did give this guy 1588 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:06,040 Speaker 1: some disorderly conduct citation because they said he was disrupting 1589 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:11,639 Speaker 1: a live TV interview. So apparently what actually happened here 1590 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,080 Speaker 1: is that the Guardian Angels decided, you know, I don't 1591 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,559 Speaker 1: know if this dude was really like disrupting the live 1592 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,120 Speaker 1: TV shot shot or whatever, but they just effectively picked 1593 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,559 Speaker 1: him out of the crowd, thought that he you know, 1594 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 1: looked brown and maybe was possibly speaking Spanish and then 1595 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,400 Speaker 1: just like tackle him and wrestle him to the ground. 1596 01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,400 Speaker 1: And the NYPD has stopped answering questions about, Hey, what 1597 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,080 Speaker 1: about the Guardian Angels basically like open public assault and 1598 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,840 Speaker 1: hate crime, targeted hate crime that occurred on camera. Is 1599 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,719 Speaker 1: there any responsibility or accountability for them whatsoever? Completely insane situation. 1600 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, slie Wes said he believed the man was 1601 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,280 Speaker 2: a migrant because he had been speaking Spanish and because 1602 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 2: other guardians had encountered people with Spanish speakers on previous vituals. 1603 01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Have you never been to New York City before? Like, 1604 01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,680 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? People who speaking Spanish there 1605 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,320 Speaker 1: for one hundred years speaking It doesn't mean that you 1606 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,559 Speaker 1: can like beat a person up and put them in 1607 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:04,920 Speaker 1: a headlock and throw them on the ground. 1608 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,840 Speaker 2: The whole situation is totally nuts. I actually was not 1609 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,599 Speaker 2: familiar with the group. Apparently traces back you were explaining 1610 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,599 Speaker 2: to me from nineteen seventy nine, whenever Sliwa founded them 1611 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,400 Speaker 2: to quote patrol the streets and subways during the high 1612 01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,720 Speaker 2: crime days have drawn criticism since that time, I think 1613 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,920 Speaker 2: fairly for allegations of targeting, you know, people of color 1614 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,479 Speaker 2: and criminals. So they say vigilantism is not the answer. 1615 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,040 Speaker 2: One of the city council members. Yeah, the whole situation 1616 01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,080 Speaker 2: is nuts. Like, look, you know, people know my views 1617 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,920 Speaker 2: on immigration. I'm not supportive of illegal migration or any 1618 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,080 Speaker 2: of these people being in New York City. 1619 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,439 Speaker 3: But this man is a US citizen. 1620 01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,799 Speaker 2: You can't be rough enough as a private citizen random 1621 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,080 Speaker 2: people just because they're speaking Spanish. First of all, my 1622 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,040 Speaker 2: peoples deserve to be beat up. Okay, that's the job 1623 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:47,679 Speaker 2: for the authorities. 1624 01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: That's not for you. 1625 01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,599 Speaker 2: If he was a shoplifter or whatever. Number two, it's like, guys, 1626 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,880 Speaker 2: you can't be just be rough enough random people who 1627 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,479 Speaker 2: are speaking Spanish. And have you ever been a Times Square, 1628 01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,760 Speaker 2: it's the norm not to hear English. You know. 1629 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,760 Speaker 1: It's like it's mostly tourists, it's people. 1630 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,080 Speaker 3: From everywhere else. 1631 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,360 Speaker 1: Only people who are in The only people in New. 1632 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,360 Speaker 2: York who are in Times Square who are like from 1633 01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,160 Speaker 2: New York are the people who like work in those 1634 01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 2: downtown office buildings who have a misfortune of having to 1635 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,400 Speaker 2: go there. Everybody else is just a tourist. 1636 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,280 Speaker 1: Nobody else is saying that. If you actually live in 1637 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,400 Speaker 1: New York, which I did for many years, you avoid 1638 01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,360 Speaker 1: time saying they're at a play with God. Yeah, I 1639 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,320 Speaker 1: mean there's a lot to say about it. First of all, 1640 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing from Sleewas, Oh my god, 1641 01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,400 Speaker 1: it's chaos and these migrants would take the over blah 1642 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,519 Speaker 1: blah blah. Meanwhile, tourists are casually walking by and everything's fine. 1643 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,599 Speaker 1: The only disturbance is your goons roughing up for no reason, 1644 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,960 Speaker 1: targeting this man, throwing him on the ground. And again, 1645 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,719 Speaker 1: I just want to say, the shoplifting thing is bullshit. 1646 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,759 Speaker 1: There is no credence to that whatsoever. There's no evans 1647 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,800 Speaker 1: the cops are saying that didn't happen, et cetera. So 1648 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to give any credence to that, not 1649 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,160 Speaker 1: that even if he was shoplifting, that the answer is to, 1650 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, put him in a headlock and throw him 1651 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,880 Speaker 1: on the ground, et cetera, et cetera. So the criminals 1652 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,439 Speaker 1: here are the quote unquote Guardian Angel vigilante hate crime 1653 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,960 Speaker 1: perpetrators out in broad public on Handity Show second half, 1654 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if on MSNBC they had something like, 1655 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, Reverend Sharpton leading a gang of people to 1656 01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 1: just randomly assault some white guy on the street live 1657 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,720 Speaker 1: on camera. Can you imagine the freak ount over that. 1658 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's exactly like the parallel of what we 1659 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:22,040 Speaker 1: watched unfold over on Fox News, And it's complete insanity. 1660 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, they lost their minds on this one. And 1661 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 1: I just the fact that there obviously this went viral online, 1662 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,120 Speaker 1: but the fact that it hasn't been an even bigger 1663 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,800 Speaker 1: deal to me speaks to a real sort of double 1664 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,519 Speaker 1: standard that's going on here, because this was completely insane 1665 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,080 Speaker 1: to watch unfold Well, what do you mean by that? 1666 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,240 Speaker 1: What do you mean by double standard? Well, like I said, 1667 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,760 Speaker 1: if it was Reverend Sharpton and leading a gang of 1668 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,840 Speaker 1: black people to beat up some like random white dude 1669 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,200 Speaker 1: on the street, what do you think you think that 1670 01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,479 Speaker 1: would be national news right now? 1671 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:48,800 Speaker 4: Well? 1672 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,479 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, one hundred percent, we would never hear the 1673 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,400 Speaker 1: end of it. They would be arrested. The cops wouldn't 1674 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,479 Speaker 1: be saying like, oh, it's fine, we just we gave 1675 01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,040 Speaker 1: the white dude a disorderly conduct charge because he was 1676 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,519 Speaker 1: disrupting a live TV broadcast. As a total double standard, 1677 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:04,559 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I agree with that. 1678 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean, people literally burned, rioted, and looted for two 1679 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,559 Speaker 2: years straight or like on camera broadcast live supported by 1680 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:11,880 Speaker 2: the media, and no, and they. 1681 01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Were prosecuted, no, very very they were prosecuted. Very few people, 1682 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,040 Speaker 1: the people who were violent were prosecuted. No. That is 1683 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 1: how do you think how do you think it would 1684 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,559 Speaker 1: go down? It's the situation that I described. Do you 1685 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,920 Speaker 1: think they'd be let off with, oh it's fine and 1686 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,760 Speaker 1: it just would like go viral online but no one 1687 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,000 Speaker 1: would report on it, and that they would face no 1688 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,320 Speaker 1: charges or whatever. Course I'm not. 1689 01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,480 Speaker 2: I'm not quite listen, I'm not defending these guys whatsoever. 1690 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,680 Speaker 2: But I'm not quite so sure that this would be 1691 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,559 Speaker 2: like some major thing, especially if there was a racial 1692 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,720 Speaker 2: angle to it. The other way, Let's say they were like, oh, 1693 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,880 Speaker 2: well he beat up somebody and they beat him up, 1694 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,200 Speaker 2: like I'm not quite sure that those people would be 1695 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,080 Speaker 2: prosecuted quote unquote to the full extent of the law 1696 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,479 Speaker 2: because of liberal pressure. 1697 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,599 Speaker 1: So you're crazy you think that that Reverend Sharpen could 1698 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,040 Speaker 1: lead a gang of dudes to beat up a white 1699 01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,559 Speaker 1: dude on the street on camera on MSNBC and everyone 1700 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,040 Speaker 1: would just be like, no big deal. 1701 01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:58,320 Speaker 4: Leaving up. 1702 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,320 Speaker 1: I did a riot against Jews and the eight. Yeah, 1703 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And we still know about it. 1704 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know still walking around about it 1705 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,280 Speaker 3: to we know all about it. 1706 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,960 Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, yeah, it was a massive news story. There 1707 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,040 Speaker 1: was a big deal and there were consequences here. They 1708 01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,240 Speaker 1: just let off Scott free and nothing that the dude 1709 01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 1: that they beat up is the one who got the citation. 1710 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,960 Speaker 2: It's in the New York Times, it's in the Guardian, 1711 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,600 Speaker 2: It's spent like every major paper. We're covering it. You know, 1712 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,080 Speaker 2: It's like it's not like it's getting totally ignored. Now listen, 1713 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,080 Speaker 2: I think these guys should be arrested. Like, don't get 1714 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,200 Speaker 2: me wrong, I support the rule of law, but I'm 1715 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,320 Speaker 2: not going to say that, you know, quote unquote liberal 1716 01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,040 Speaker 2: violence or whatever would be equally treated, just because I 1717 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,560 Speaker 2: did not live through that experience. 1718 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,400 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, during BLM. It was just massive. 1719 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,160 Speaker 1: The violence of BLM is massively covered, massively covered the people. Yes, 1720 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,280 Speaker 1: they were prosecuted, Absolutely, they were prosecuted. 1721 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,160 Speaker 2: I mean there are people here in Lafayettes where trying 1722 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,120 Speaker 2: to bring down a statue and never face a single charge. 1723 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,080 Speaker 2: People who broke down looted cities, people who burned down charges. 1724 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,800 Speaker 2: So some people face people who burned down Minnesota police station. Like, look, 1725 01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,000 Speaker 2: liberal violence got plenty of passes in this country. 1726 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,240 Speaker 3: And I again want to be one hundred percent clear, 1727 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:06,280 Speaker 3: I think. 1728 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,560 Speaker 1: You imagine, but hold on a second. Can you have 1729 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,840 Speaker 1: an imagine m SBC playing something like that. No, no, 1730 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,360 Speaker 1: no you can't. 1731 01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,040 Speaker 2: But they already did broadcast violence in the past. 1732 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:22,599 Speaker 1: This was just this quote unquote amazing. Yeah, I could amazing. 1733 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,880 Speaker 2: I'm not supporting it, but I mean, how many how 1734 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,400 Speaker 2: many people were on TV either in the BLM riots. 1735 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,000 Speaker 3: Being like, well, you know, the riot is the voice 1736 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:30,599 Speaker 3: of the young. 1737 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,880 Speaker 1: That they're dumned. Yes, they were by Joe Biden and 1738 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,000 Speaker 1: all every Democrat. We're actually the ones who want to 1739 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,960 Speaker 1: fund the police, and it's the Republicans who want to 1740 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:39,559 Speaker 1: fund them. 1741 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,479 Speaker 2: Months later, in the moment they were supported dramatically by 1742 01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,280 Speaker 2: every liberal commentator, every. 1743 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,720 Speaker 1: But you don't have to remember it was, especially at 1744 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,600 Speaker 1: the beginning, the overwhelming percentage of Black Lives Matter protests 1745 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,639 Speaker 1: were peaceful. There were protests all over the country, and 1746 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,559 Speaker 1: many of them were peaceful, and the vast majority people 1747 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,639 Speaker 1: participate in them were peaceful. So it's also not fair 1748 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,320 Speaker 1: to hear the whole thing it's like they were all 1749 01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:01,160 Speaker 1: violent people. 1750 01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,040 Speaker 2: Who marched silently. Great, right, you know, I have no pride, 1751 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,080 Speaker 2: no issue with you. I sat by and watched them. 1752 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 2: I said, hey, good to go people who burned out. 1753 01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,280 Speaker 2: But this is the thing. Look, they burned down that 1754 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,120 Speaker 2: Minnesota police station, what six days or whatever into the 1755 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,200 Speaker 2: whole George Floyd thing. It's not like it just kicked 1756 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,680 Speaker 2: off and it was like all kumbaya. 1757 01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:18,080 Speaker 1: At the beginning. 1758 01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,360 Speaker 2: You know, things went bad very very quick. Look, I'm 1759 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,760 Speaker 2: not there's not a lot of disagreement. I don't think though, 1760 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,000 Speaker 2: that there is a double standard in the way that 1761 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:26,479 Speaker 2: you're saying. 1762 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,200 Speaker 1: Given what we all had to live for, I cannot 1763 01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,559 Speaker 1: imagine a situation reverse that unfolds on camera that first 1764 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,560 Speaker 1: of all, the hosts are just like that was incredible, 1765 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,799 Speaker 1: and it's a blip on the radar, and the person 1766 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,839 Speaker 1: who got attacked is the one that gets the citation. 1767 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,400 Speaker 1: I can't imagine it. Listen, you can't argue a counterfactual. 1768 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,200 Speaker 1: Who knows how it went on. But I again, I 1769 01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:50,280 Speaker 1: can't even imagine that same thing happening on MSNBC or CNN. 1770 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,400 Speaker 2: Let me give you an example. These migrants who just 1771 01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,200 Speaker 2: beat up NYPD cops. They were just arrested. Yeah, the 1772 01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:57,439 Speaker 2: guy flipped them off. 1773 01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,519 Speaker 3: I mean, how many people watching MSNBC no about that story. 1774 01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,439 Speaker 1: That's what has been massively cop It's been massively covered 1775 01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:08,639 Speaker 1: by the right wing. No gotten, No, that is nice, huge. 1776 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,919 Speaker 2: Fox News New York post. It is barely covered by NBC. 1777 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:12,599 Speaker 1: Even then. 1778 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,639 Speaker 3: It's because it's like Kathy Hope. 1779 01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,320 Speaker 1: You know what, Actually, I saw rymend Sharfton commenting on 1780 01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,360 Speaker 1: that exact same thing on msmb I don't watch it. 1781 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't either. I saw the headline about it, so 1782 01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,360 Speaker 1: it got did get covered on m SMBC. Anyway, we 1783 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,040 Speaker 1: can stop arguing about the counterfactual. That was an absolutely 1784 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,600 Speaker 1: insane thing to unfold on Fox News. And for the 1785 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,040 Speaker 1: dude who got beat up because he was brown and 1786 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,479 Speaker 1: speaking Spanish. Apparently to be the one that ends up 1787 01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,880 Speaker 1: with the citation and the cops cover for these assholes, 1788 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, vigilante hate crime perpetrators on the street. I'm 1789 01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:41,479 Speaker 1: with you on that one. 1790 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,920 Speaker 2: You know, to my brothers who were out there, who 1791 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,400 Speaker 2: were walking around speaking Spanish, you know, you don't you 1792 01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,400 Speaker 2: don't deserve to be wrapped up on the street. 1793 01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,880 Speaker 1: I think that's totally nuts. All right. I hope the 1794 01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,800 Speaker 1: guys who did go to jail. Let's move on to Yes, 1795 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,880 Speaker 1: let's move on to Tucker his big interview with Putin. 1796 01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,479 Speaker 1: I think when does the job in today or tomorrow? 1797 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,400 Speaker 1: It is nobody knows. 1798 01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,559 Speaker 2: It has been foretold by the Russians that it will 1799 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 2: be happening tonight at six pm. 1800 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,759 Speaker 1: All right, So listen, whatever you think about Tucker Carlson, 1801 01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,200 Speaker 1: the reaction to this has been completely insane, including there's 1802 01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,439 Speaker 1: some EU politician, diplomats, whatever you want to call him now, 1803 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,759 Speaker 1: who are floating that he should be sanctioned and banned 1804 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,320 Speaker 1: from the EU. Put this up on the screen. This 1805 01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 1: is from Newsweek. This is the second element, guys that 1806 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,360 Speaker 1: we have here. E three. Tucker Carlson could face sanctions 1807 01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:32,160 Speaker 1: over the Putin interview. One European diplomatic official didn't wish 1808 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: to be named as they were not authorized to speak publicly, 1809 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 1: told Newsweek any future travel restrictions would like to require 1810 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,880 Speaker 1: proof he's linked to Moscow's aggression, something that is absent 1811 01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:41,680 Speaker 1: or hard to prove. So they're saying it's kind of 1812 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,920 Speaker 1: a long shot that this would actually come through. But 1813 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,000 Speaker 1: the same person who says it's a long shot says 1814 01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,280 Speaker 1: that they support it. Yes, they agree with the stance quote. 1815 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,519 Speaker 1: He's no longer a newsman but a propaganda's for the 1816 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,880 Speaker 1: most heinous regime on European soil and the one which 1817 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:59,320 Speaker 1: is most dangerous to our piece and security, this diplomat 1818 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,160 Speaker 1: said to the Newspeak of Carlson. At the same time, 1819 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,559 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton weighing in on her thoughts on the whole situation. 1820 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:07,760 Speaker 1: Less they listen to that. 1821 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,679 Speaker 11: He's like a puppy dog, you know, he somehow has 1822 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,479 Speaker 11: after having been fired from so many outlets in the 1823 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,519 Speaker 11: United States. He I would not be surprised if he 1824 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,920 Speaker 11: emerges with a contract with outlet because he is a 1825 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:22,679 Speaker 11: useful idiot. 1826 01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,439 Speaker 1: He says things that are not true. 1827 01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:30,360 Speaker 11: He parents Vladimir Putin's pack of lies about Ukraine so 1828 01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 11: I don't see why Putin wouldn't give him an interview 1829 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,960 Speaker 11: because through him, he can, you know, continue to lie 1830 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,560 Speaker 11: about what is you know, objectives are in Ukraine and 1831 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:43,120 Speaker 11: you know. 1832 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,599 Speaker 1: What he expects to see happen. 1833 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,800 Speaker 11: It's really quite sad that not just somebody like Tucker Carlson, 1834 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,439 Speaker 11: who has, as I said, been fired so many times 1835 01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:58,680 Speaker 11: because he seems unable to, you know, correlate his reporting 1836 01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:04,200 Speaker 11: with the truth, but also because it's a sign that 1837 01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,559 Speaker 11: there are people in this country right now who are 1838 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,920 Speaker 11: like a fifth column for Vladimir Putin. 1839 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:11,160 Speaker 1: And why I don't know. 1840 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,400 Speaker 11: I mean, why are certain Republicans throwing their lot in? 1841 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:21,280 Speaker 11: Why are you know, other Americans basically believing Putin? Why 1842 01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,320 Speaker 11: did Trump believe Putin more than our eleven intelligence agents. 1843 01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:26,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1844 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,719 Speaker 1: Do you have a working theory? You have a working theory. 1845 01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,400 Speaker 1: So I mean it's just she's still. 1846 01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,400 Speaker 3: On Russia, the insane, both of them too, They're still 1847 01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:34,720 Speaker 3: on it. 1848 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,599 Speaker 1: And she just lets that all go. Of course, yes, 1849 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,559 Speaker 1: and listen, I mean my first thing with all of 1850 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,360 Speaker 1: this is in yeah, I know, like and I mean 1851 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,080 Speaker 1: people on both like the people who are like this 1852 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,599 Speaker 1: is going to be amazing, and the people who are 1853 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,360 Speaker 1: like this is terrible, It's like, can we just wait 1854 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,880 Speaker 1: and judge the interview? Number one not agree with you more. 1855 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,479 Speaker 1: But that being said, even if it's complete propaganda, which 1856 01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,800 Speaker 1: I think is very possible, if not probable, if not likely, 1857 01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,880 Speaker 1: we hear the US Western propaganda all the time, you 1858 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,559 Speaker 1: know what, it's a benefit to hear the other side 1859 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,559 Speaker 1: propaganda too and understand their perspective how they're spinning it 1860 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,520 Speaker 1: to their population. So even if it's one hundred percent propaganda, 1861 01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,160 Speaker 1: then it still is a good thing for the American 1862 01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,800 Speaker 1: population to hear what the Russians are saying and how 1863 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,439 Speaker 1: they are explaining this conflict in their position, even that 1864 01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,800 Speaker 1: would be beneficial. I'm glad you said that, because that's 1865 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,040 Speaker 1: basically what I was going to pick up on. 1866 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,360 Speaker 2: Everyone's like first, okay, So first of all, they're like, well, 1867 01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,439 Speaker 2: you know, uh, he has to challenge him or otherwise 1868 01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,760 Speaker 2: it's not real. I'm like, yeah, you guys been slobbering 1869 01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,280 Speaker 2: over Zelenski for the last two years and apple Bomb, 1870 01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,719 Speaker 2: you know, literally with tears in her eyes talking about 1871 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,880 Speaker 2: the goddamn hero of democracy. I would just watch the 1872 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,840 Speaker 2: clip of a CNN reporter literally nearly in tears talking 1873 01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:44,519 Speaker 2: with Zelensky. 1874 01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 1: So shut up about propaganda. 1875 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,720 Speaker 2: Number one, You people have been the propagandast in this 1876 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,760 Speaker 2: war from the beginning. Number two, as you said, now, look, 1877 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,280 Speaker 2: I hope that Tucker actually does challenge him on a 1878 01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,600 Speaker 2: couple of things. Number One is the detention of the 1879 01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,080 Speaker 2: American journalist Evan Gersovich, who is currently in prison unjustifiably 1880 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,320 Speaker 2: and needs to be released. I will be very disappointed 1881 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,200 Speaker 2: if he doesn't bring that up. But maybe it was 1882 01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,400 Speaker 2: a precondition or something like that. I personally would not 1883 01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,680 Speaker 2: have agreed to that. We'll see. As you said, the 1884 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,320 Speaker 2: literal thing is not aired yet. Two is on the 1885 01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,240 Speaker 2: justification and be like you said, you're doing this to 1886 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,200 Speaker 2: make Russia safer. Now listen, I don't agree that the 1887 01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,080 Speaker 2: United States should be. 1888 01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,000 Speaker 1: All that involved. 1889 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,400 Speaker 2: That said, you've killed three hundred thousand of your men, 1890 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, maybe more of the people here. 1891 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,559 Speaker 1: Do you? How do you sleep at night? 1892 01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,559 Speaker 2: You know? What do you tell those moms who lost 1893 01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,240 Speaker 2: their sons and daughters who were there? 1894 01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,479 Speaker 3: What's the justification? I want to hear that. 1895 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,719 Speaker 2: But then even if it wasn't challenging, as you said, Okay, 1896 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,160 Speaker 2: so I have been subjected to the biggest Ukrainian si 1897 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:43,639 Speaker 2: up the of like war in my lifetime since Iraq. 1898 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to hear a little bit of what 1899 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:46,120 Speaker 3: the other side is. 1900 01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:50,400 Speaker 2: I'm a fully functioning, capable adult who can see Putin 1901 01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,599 Speaker 2: talking about the Treaty of Breslatovsk and be like, that's bullshit, 1902 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,280 Speaker 2: that's not actually what happened. 1903 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,360 Speaker 3: Many people can do that too. 1904 01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:01,080 Speaker 2: So if we're Subechia is subjected our own propaganda, Ukrainian 1905 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,720 Speaker 2: propaganda now for over two years, a little bit of 1906 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,160 Speaker 2: Russian propaganda ain't gonna hurt anybody, if anything, is just 1907 01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,759 Speaker 2: gonna be in the mix, and people who already agree 1908 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,719 Speaker 2: or disagree or whatever will likely fall on that side. 1909 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,080 Speaker 2: The other thing is is that you have to be 1910 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,280 Speaker 2: able to understand the goals and the impetus of what 1911 01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:18,800 Speaker 2: they are saying. 1912 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:19,680 Speaker 3: And that's part of the other thing. 1913 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,639 Speaker 2: Where on the history and all of that Putin speaks 1914 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,080 Speaker 2: as a Russians are as I just reference a Treaty 1915 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,320 Speaker 2: of Bresolatos. How many people who have people a strong opinion, 1916 01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,040 Speaker 2: even here in Washington, can even tell you about the 1917 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,559 Speaker 2: independence of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. 1918 01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,360 Speaker 1: The historical Soviet Empire. 1919 01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,240 Speaker 2: I'm not I don't agree with Putin at all, but 1920 01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,040 Speaker 2: I need to understand where the guy is coming from. 1921 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:39,559 Speaker 1: Period. 1922 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,840 Speaker 2: If we want, you know, I don't want to go 1923 01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,840 Speaker 2: to nuclear war, I would like to be able to 1924 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,280 Speaker 2: understand where he comes from. In the same thing, the 1925 01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,880 Speaker 2: Chinese interpretation of the Opium Wars and all that stuff 1926 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,200 Speaker 2: is nuts. Like they literally think themselves currently as the 1927 01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,040 Speaker 2: as the inheritors of like the whatever, the king dynasty 1928 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,920 Speaker 2: or something like that. But if we are to be 1929 01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,200 Speaker 2: rivals and all this stuff, I better understand how their 1930 01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,519 Speaker 2: self conception of their national identity goes back. Even if 1931 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,439 Speaker 2: you do not agree, Like, think about what's happened since 1932 01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 2: the war. 1933 01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,280 Speaker 1: We've had RT be banned. 1934 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,840 Speaker 2: We've had like what spot they can on these many 1935 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,000 Speaker 2: of these journalists have been expelled here from Washington for 1936 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,400 Speaker 2: for what reason. It's like it's one of those where 1937 01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,000 Speaker 2: I again would much rather hear what these people have 1938 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:24,519 Speaker 2: to say. I used to watch when I cover the 1939 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,880 Speaker 2: Pentagon and the State Department. We had we had straight 1940 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,719 Speaker 2: up Russian spotnik people who were right next was asking 1941 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,360 Speaker 2: all kinds of BS questions. But it was actually very 1942 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,080 Speaker 2: useful because I'd be like, oh, that's what's pissing the 1943 01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,519 Speaker 2: Kremlin off. Whenever they would ask a question or something 1944 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,439 Speaker 2: like that. It was very useful to be able to 1945 01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,360 Speaker 2: just get into mind again. You know, you don't have 1946 01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,160 Speaker 2: to agree with somebody. That's that's just how I see 1947 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,960 Speaker 2: this whole situation. Yeah, I mean that was crazy. 1948 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,479 Speaker 1: I also would like to know from him what he 1949 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,640 Speaker 1: would say that he would publicly accept in terms of 1950 01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,400 Speaker 1: a peace settlement. Yeah, this totally Like that would be 1951 01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,479 Speaker 1: really you know, that would be extremely important to know. 1952 01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,240 Speaker 1: All that being said, I don't think we should also 1953 01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,960 Speaker 1: harbor ring in a lotus about why they allowed Tucker 1954 01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,400 Speaker 1: to conduct this interview, which is they certainly think it's 1955 01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,120 Speaker 1: going to be a softball and think it's going to 1956 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,280 Speaker 1: be easy for them to manage. It's the same reason 1957 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,680 Speaker 1: why Hillary Clinton accepts an interview from Alex Wagner and 1958 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm the same six exact exact same reasons, and Tucker 1959 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:15,880 Speaker 1: did kind of step in this is I mean, this 1960 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,400 Speaker 1: is the part where like, I don't put yourself out 1961 01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,200 Speaker 1: there like, oh, I'm some brave journalists when there are literal, 1962 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,439 Speaker 1: actual Russian journalists who have had to flee the freaking 1963 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,639 Speaker 1: country because they were willing to stand up to power 1964 01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,160 Speaker 1: and to expose this dude. So don't put that out there, 1965 01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:32,479 Speaker 1: and you can put this up on the screen. Even 1966 01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,439 Speaker 1: sort of stepped in it with the Kremlin because he 1967 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,720 Speaker 1: said in this thing that you know, why is it 1968 01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,040 Speaker 1: that not a single Western journalist has bothered to interview Putin? 1969 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,360 Speaker 1: And Dmitri Peskov, the spokesperson for the Kremlin, came back 1970 01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,400 Speaker 1: and said, mister Carlston's not correct. In fact, there's no 1971 01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,839 Speaker 1: way he could tell this. But we received numerous requests 1972 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,840 Speaker 1: for interviews with the president all the time, and there 1973 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:53,880 Speaker 1: were a number of other journalists who came out where 1974 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,519 Speaker 1: like dude, I've asked to interview Putin any number of times, 1975 01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,599 Speaker 1: and of course they always rejected. And it's not an 1976 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,720 Speaker 1: accident that they're allowing you to come in and do 1977 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,520 Speaker 1: this interview because they think it will serve their purposes. 1978 01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,240 Speaker 1: So let's just you know, keep it one hundred on 1979 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,760 Speaker 1: that front as well. He's got to sell memberships, you know, 1980 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,840 Speaker 1: it is what it is. I would not have said it. 1981 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,679 Speaker 2: Just because it's very obvious that many people do actually 1982 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,160 Speaker 2: want to interview Putin. People were in the West, there 1983 01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:19,840 Speaker 2: was something though, I want to comment on this. Yeah, 1984 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,880 Speaker 2: you just said where they're like, oh, they only agreed 1985 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,880 Speaker 2: to it. I'm like, yeah, guess what, guys, you want 1986 01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:24,719 Speaker 2: to interview with VIP. 1987 01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:25,840 Speaker 3: That's just how it goes. 1988 01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes, it's not all you know, they don't have to 1989 01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,719 Speaker 2: sit with you in these things. When I would interview Trump, 1990 01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,600 Speaker 2: I played every card I could get to try and 1991 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:33,120 Speaker 2: get in there. 1992 01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,080 Speaker 3: So did every other journalist who was there. 1993 01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,240 Speaker 2: That's why Hillary sits with Alex Wagner so they could 1994 01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,800 Speaker 2: giggle over Russia Gate there at the end. I'm not 1995 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,960 Speaker 2: justifying it, but to a certain extent, guys, we're all 1996 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,600 Speaker 2: playing the same game. You know. Trucker said in his 1997 01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,519 Speaker 2: thing that he had requested an. 1998 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,840 Speaker 3: Interview with Zelensky. You think Zelensky's gonna sit with him? 1999 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,800 Speaker 2: Or does Lensky set with NBC News because he knows 2000 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,679 Speaker 2: he's gonna get a slob job in the same way 2001 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,400 Speaker 2: that he has been for the last two years. 2002 01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,880 Speaker 3: So at a certain point, I mean, let's all. 2003 01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,920 Speaker 1: Be honest about me. The game that we're all playing. 2004 01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm not playing that game. You're not playing that game. 2005 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,160 Speaker 1: There's a reason why Joe Biden and Hillary, right That's 2006 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, though, is there's a reason why Joe 2007 01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,320 Speaker 1: Biden and Hillary Clinton would never sit with us. There's 2008 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,200 Speaker 1: a reason why, you know, putin, we're not like, there's 2009 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,920 Speaker 1: a reason why many elected officials won't come on here 2010 01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,720 Speaker 1: because we won't agree. They don't expect just to get 2011 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,920 Speaker 1: a softball interview. And kudos to the ones who are 2012 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,920 Speaker 1: willing to. But unfortunately it's not the normans exception of 2013 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,680 Speaker 1: people who are actually willing to come on and mix 2014 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:25,920 Speaker 1: it up. 2015 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:27,200 Speaker 2: And it was going to like that kind of spirit 2016 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,920 Speaker 2: business model, which is set up so that we can 2017 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,320 Speaker 2: talk about stuff and we can occasionally build enough of 2018 01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,360 Speaker 2: the platform and people will come here. But if you 2019 01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,799 Speaker 2: are in the game of interviewing, like elect access journalism, 2020 01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:38,280 Speaker 2: how it works period. 2021 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,720 Speaker 1: Look, it's the same as access journalism here in the US. Yes, 2022 01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,519 Speaker 1: it's the exact same it's exact same thing. I do 2023 01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,000 Speaker 1: think that the there's a lot to the panic over it. 2024 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think it's emblematic of the fact 2025 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:53,880 Speaker 1: that they're so afraid that something he says, because any 2026 01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,320 Speaker 1: good propaganda is going to have some kernel of truth, 2027 01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,439 Speaker 1: that something might land, that something might actually click changed 2028 01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,439 Speaker 1: that and They're already on thin ice with their whole 2029 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,439 Speaker 1: narrative of the Ukraine conflicts. Even here they're on thin ice, 2030 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,519 Speaker 1: let alone around the world. Nobody's ever bought that this 2031 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,439 Speaker 1: is some grand like project of democracy and human rights 2032 01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,760 Speaker 1: and whatever. Are like, No, it's never been about that 2033 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:17,400 Speaker 1: in our conduct visa the Ukraine, Russia versus Israel Palestine 2034 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,439 Speaker 1: really shows you how that's complete bs that we care 2035 01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,160 Speaker 1: about any of those things. So I think they feel 2036 01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,679 Speaker 1: like their narrative is already at kind of a breaking point, 2037 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,240 Speaker 1: no pun intended. When this interview chops, and obviously it's 2038 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,160 Speaker 1: going to get tons of eyeballs. Plenty of people who 2039 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,439 Speaker 1: will never admit that they watch it are definitely gonna. 2040 01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,000 Speaker 2: Watch for as well, you know, And that's the I 2041 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,720 Speaker 2: think really what they're afraid of is listen. I don't 2042 01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,760 Speaker 2: like Putin. I'm no Futin fan or any of that. 2043 01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,559 Speaker 2: He's a smart guy. You know, he may be crazy 2044 01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,040 Speaker 2: and many respects has done some irrational things, but I've 2045 01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,400 Speaker 2: listened to a lot of speeches. 2046 01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:45,639 Speaker 1: He's a well read man. 2047 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,160 Speaker 2: He's been a world leader for over twenty five years, 2048 01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,400 Speaker 2: and he's very you know, you don't become the iron 2049 01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,200 Speaker 2: ruler of Russia because you're an idiot. 2050 01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,600 Speaker 1: Like these guys, they know who they're talking to. 2051 01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,799 Speaker 2: I've seen past interviews that he's given real throw January 2052 01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,439 Speaker 2: sixth or whatever in the face of the interview where 2053 01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,639 Speaker 2: they're like shure circuit because they don't know what they're 2054 01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:02,120 Speaker 2: dealing with. 2055 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,599 Speaker 1: He knows how to navigate American politics. 2056 01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,080 Speaker 2: He speaks perfect English, like he reads all of our 2057 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,799 Speaker 2: news and all that. And I think they're honestly afraid 2058 01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,880 Speaker 2: that he'll say something which could convince people in a 2059 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,800 Speaker 2: different direction. But again, even if so, so, what you know, 2060 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,240 Speaker 2: we if we allow Zelenski or you know, I would 2061 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,559 Speaker 2: love to see shishing Ping sit for an interview. 2062 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,720 Speaker 1: MBS is set for interviews. 2063 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,280 Speaker 2: You know, all these are great, These are all good things, 2064 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,479 Speaker 2: you know, NBS was I believe he was challenged on 2065 01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,200 Speaker 2: koshogi to his face by a US interviewer. 2066 01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,280 Speaker 1: I forget who it was. That's a great moment. 2067 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:33,880 Speaker 2: You know, that's one of those where we should have 2068 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,439 Speaker 2: the exact same thing, and we need to hear exactly 2069 01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,639 Speaker 2: what they think. It's helpful for us, it's helpful for them. 2070 01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,880 Speaker 2: You know what if Putin makes a fool out of himself. 2071 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,280 Speaker 2: It could be definitely helpful in terms of the Ukrainians. 2072 01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure they can use clips for it, even if 2073 01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:46,320 Speaker 2: they're super upset about it. 2074 01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, more information, not less. That's kind of the 2075 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:53,559 Speaker 1: maxim all right, sorryy looking at well. 2076 01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,880 Speaker 2: A crazy phenomenon that I've observed in the last few 2077 01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,360 Speaker 2: years is a concerted mainstream effort to target online mail 2078 01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,920 Speaker 2: spaces for or self improvement. Much of it can be 2079 01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,559 Speaker 2: traced back to gamer mitgait and the fake moral panics 2080 01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,160 Speaker 2: about the so called pickup movement, but in recent years 2081 01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,640 Speaker 2: it's transformed into something else entirely. The latest iteration that 2082 01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,040 Speaker 2: you will all famously recall is the infamous MSNBC article 2083 01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:17,280 Speaker 2: about fitness to somehow fascist. But at a deeper level, 2084 01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,200 Speaker 2: the demonization has been in many. 2085 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,719 Speaker 1: Forms for recent months and years. 2086 01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,280 Speaker 2: The targeting of any discussion and about testosterone, about people 2087 01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,920 Speaker 2: doing their own research when it comes to medical procedures. 2088 01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,760 Speaker 2: My personal favorite latest it recommends that people eat less 2089 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,439 Speaker 2: protein because it goes against what the US government recommends 2090 01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:36,040 Speaker 2: on nutrition. The tilt to all of it is a 2091 01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:40,160 Speaker 2: fear of self discovery, self mastery, and self improvement, mostly 2092 01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,879 Speaker 2: by men who are issuing official recommendations by medicine and government. 2093 01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,519 Speaker 2: The latest and the most shocking attack on this front 2094 01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,559 Speaker 2: occurred a few days ago by NPR, which ran a 2095 01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,160 Speaker 2: hit piece on a community of men online who are 2096 01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:55,599 Speaker 2: dedicated to shunning pornography and spreading the concern about its 2097 01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,400 Speaker 2: widespread usage of young men. The way that you know 2098 01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,680 Speaker 2: it is a hit piece as it relies on testimony 2099 01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,880 Speaker 2: of so called sexual experts, as if there is such 2100 01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,439 Speaker 2: a thing, and appears to basically endorse widespread porn usage 2101 01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,880 Speaker 2: by young men. They write quote, many researchers and sex 2102 01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:14,240 Speaker 2: therapists worry that online communities that have formed in response 2103 01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:19,320 Speaker 2: to fears often endorse inaccurate medical information, exacerbate mental health problems, 2104 01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,599 Speaker 2: and in some cases overlap with extremists and hate groups. 2105 01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,280 Speaker 2: Extremists and hate groups my god. So, by the way, 2106 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:27,200 Speaker 2: if you're wondering. 2107 01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:27,640 Speaker 1: What those ties are. 2108 01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,439 Speaker 2: The NPR reporter relies on Reddit users making jokes in 2109 01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,960 Speaker 2: comments about the illuminati and global elite, as well as 2110 01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,840 Speaker 2: an alleged anti feminist bent to caution around pornography. But 2111 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,280 Speaker 2: what actually shocked me about the piece is not that 2112 01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,240 Speaker 2: it ran, but what I found out from one of 2113 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,559 Speaker 2: the organizers behind the movement, and how this piece fits 2114 01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,799 Speaker 2: into a concerted and multi billion dollar effort in recent 2115 01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,000 Speaker 2: months by pornography companies to demonize men who are trying 2116 01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,920 Speaker 2: their best to stay away from them and institute guardrails 2117 01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,320 Speaker 2: for teenagers. Much of the machinery behind this story appears 2118 01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,040 Speaker 2: to have been orchestra by the so called Free Speech 2119 01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:05,880 Speaker 2: Coalition in the United States. The so called expert and 2120 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,439 Speaker 2: the urologists who are quoted in the story both either 2121 01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,080 Speaker 2: have ties to the porn industry or have been supporters 2122 01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,240 Speaker 2: in the past. In fact, when I spoke to a 2123 01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,960 Speaker 2: person involved in the so called no Fat movement who 2124 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,720 Speaker 2: worked with NPR on the story, they revealed to me 2125 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,200 Speaker 2: that NPR did not reach out to many of the 2126 01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:23,360 Speaker 2: people that they recommended they reach out to who have 2127 01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:28,280 Speaker 2: been positively impacted from abstaining from pornography. They instead decided 2128 01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,720 Speaker 2: to highlight a few examples of their own, only one 2129 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:34,720 Speaker 2: who spoke positively, and including two who said that they 2130 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,360 Speaker 2: were no longer followers of the movement. By the way, 2131 01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,880 Speaker 2: as evidence for one of their former adherents who is 2132 01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,160 Speaker 2: now healthy, they pointed out to an individual who previously 2133 01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:47,479 Speaker 2: had ditched pornography now consumes pornography regularly and indulges in 2134 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,920 Speaker 2: a cross dressing fetish. According to them, that is supposedly 2135 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,000 Speaker 2: healthy and cool, while ditching. 2136 01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:53,840 Speaker 1: Pornography is bad. 2137 01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,920 Speaker 2: Those that I spoke with at no Fab also notified 2138 01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,360 Speaker 2: me that NPR was provided with a list of twenty 2139 01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,759 Speaker 2: two separate urologists that they could interview who would support 2140 01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:06,439 Speaker 2: their health claims. Their NPR instead interviewed their own, who, 2141 01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:10,560 Speaker 2: as I said, is a verified friend of the pornography industry. 2142 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,400 Speaker 2: None of this is happening in a vacuum. Much of 2143 01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,000 Speaker 2: it is tied directly to a recent government action that 2144 01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,680 Speaker 2: is attempting to put age limitations on pornography usage. In 2145 01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,280 Speaker 2: the last year, eight states have now enacted legislation requiring 2146 01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,599 Speaker 2: porn companies to verify the age of users attempting to 2147 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,400 Speaker 2: access their content. This has caused major showdowns now between 2148 01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:33,759 Speaker 2: Pornhub and its affiliates with these states in some cases 2149 01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,880 Speaker 2: who are resulting blocking access in states entirely who enact 2150 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,960 Speaker 2: this legislation. Laws very simple. Any website which has more 2151 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,080 Speaker 2: than one third of its content classified as adult must 2152 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,120 Speaker 2: verify that the users are over the age of eighteen. Naturally, 2153 01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:50,040 Speaker 2: The porn companies are freaking out about this new legislation 2154 01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,400 Speaker 2: because they rely on hooking teenagers as early as possible 2155 01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,120 Speaker 2: and keeping them as lifetime customers. Now, you may say 2156 01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,360 Speaker 2: that I'm stupid and the teenagers will seek out porn 2157 01:37:58,360 --> 01:37:58,879 Speaker 2: if there's. 2158 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,760 Speaker 3: A law or not, and you are You're probably right. 2159 01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,800 Speaker 2: But does that stop us from having drinking age verification 2160 01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:07,479 Speaker 2: when you order liquor online or when you buy nicotine products. No, 2161 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,600 Speaker 2: we recognize as society, while some may see carmful substances 2162 01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,600 Speaker 2: or in this case, content out of the side of 2163 01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,719 Speaker 2: the law. The purpose of the law is to try 2164 01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,439 Speaker 2: and protect children wherever possible. This is not, and I repeat, not, 2165 01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,839 Speaker 2: a substitute for parenting. It is an effort by states 2166 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,680 Speaker 2: to protect children from what we used to recognize as 2167 01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:30,040 Speaker 2: something that's harmful. The NPR article purpose is simple. Concerns 2168 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:34,080 Speaker 2: about pornography are unfounded. If they're unfounded, then age verification laws, 2169 01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,000 Speaker 2: which states are rushing to adopt, are bad. 2170 01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,200 Speaker 1: You could call me a prude if you wish, but. 2171 01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,800 Speaker 2: Ask yourself, why is it all that controversial when every 2172 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,040 Speaker 2: person who has ever seen a child interact with an 2173 01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,920 Speaker 2: iPad can instantly recognize we are in uncharted territory with 2174 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,280 Speaker 2: the nature of addictive tech, nature of today's technology. 2175 01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,439 Speaker 3: I write this as secular and non. 2176 01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:56,280 Speaker 2: Extremists who has long been concerned about the unchecked power 2177 01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,280 Speaker 2: of the porn industry in the United States. I don't 2178 01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,360 Speaker 2: think they should be banned. I believe adult can make 2179 01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,400 Speaker 2: choices for themselves, but I do certainly believe that the 2180 01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,920 Speaker 2: media should speak up for those who find themselves at 2181 01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,800 Speaker 2: the mercy of these forces, working to keep them weak, 2182 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,280 Speaker 2: rather than as a defender of them. So I'm curious 2183 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,120 Speaker 2: what you think, Crystal. After all of that, I thought 2184 01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,160 Speaker 2: the way that it was written was absolutely I think 2185 01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:18,920 Speaker 2: there's a way that you could have written it where 2186 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,920 Speaker 2: you could have given more of a balanced approach. But 2187 01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,559 Speaker 2: the way that it was, you know, the people who 2188 01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,559 Speaker 2: they highlighted and all of that, the ties were just 2189 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,240 Speaker 2: so clear to me, Especially when I spoke with the 2190 01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,280 Speaker 2: guys who were a target of this. They were like, 2191 01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,960 Speaker 2: we tried to work with her, she would not get 2192 01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,200 Speaker 2: she was not giving us a single chance. They didn't 2193 01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,080 Speaker 2: reach out to any of the people we spoke to. 2194 01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,040 Speaker 2: It was like a completely unidirectional It's like when you 2195 01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:40,439 Speaker 2: set out to write a story that you know you 2196 01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:42,680 Speaker 2: want the headline to be, and then you just just 2197 01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,760 Speaker 2: you know, rely on the people for that. 2198 01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,479 Speaker 1: But I find your monologue I'm just going to a 2199 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,760 Speaker 1: little confusing because the overwhelming part of the article had 2200 01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,920 Speaker 1: nothing to do with porn. It was about masturbation, and 2201 01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:57,679 Speaker 1: it was about these cult like these groups like no FAP, 2202 01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,599 Speaker 1: which you know, you guys probably know what that means, 2203 01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,599 Speaker 1: which are all about telling men the solution to their 2204 01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,559 Speaker 1: problems is to never masturbate and backing it up with 2205 01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:12,519 Speaker 1: all these completely bullshit health claims and so, you know, 2206 01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,080 Speaker 1: totally opposite the idea that this is an attack on 2207 01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,439 Speaker 1: men who are trying to self actualize or whatever. I 2208 01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,439 Speaker 1: see it more as an attack on these people who 2209 01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,519 Speaker 1: are trying to take advantage of men and lie to 2210 01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,519 Speaker 1: them and add more stress to their lives. I mean 2211 01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,920 Speaker 1: the interview people who were like, yeah, I thought that, 2212 01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, if I did this like ninety day no 2213 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,479 Speaker 1: Masturbation Cleanse, then like all my problems would be solved. Instead, 2214 01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,000 Speaker 1: I just ended up with more problems because I was 2215 01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,280 Speaker 1: so constantly stressed down about trying to figure out how 2216 01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,519 Speaker 1: not to jerk off basically for me, so I just 2217 01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,960 Speaker 1: found it kind of like strange that that was your 2218 01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,320 Speaker 1: takeaway when porn was very incidental to this very long piece. 2219 01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,320 Speaker 2: The reason why is that, the first of all, no 2220 01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,599 Speaker 2: fat whatever, this is hilarious to talk about. 2221 01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, these are ripters, These are rifters who are 2222 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,000 Speaker 1: lying to do like that's a legitimate target. 2223 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,280 Speaker 2: That is not actually what the organization is based on. 2224 01:40:57,360 --> 01:40:59,240 Speaker 2: The organization is not based on masturbation. 2225 01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,280 Speaker 1: CLIs. It's called no fab no no. It als like 2226 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:02,920 Speaker 1: what it's about. 2227 01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,040 Speaker 2: It traces back to your brain on porn, which is 2228 01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,920 Speaker 2: the original website, and the movement overall, which is dynamically 2229 01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,400 Speaker 2: dynamically is targeted to keeping people away from pornography. 2230 01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:14,800 Speaker 1: There are many schools of the. 2231 01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,720 Speaker 2: Whole likeno masturbation, stemen, retention, all this other nonsense, which 2232 01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:19,600 Speaker 2: I yeah, but that's what the. 2233 01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:21,880 Speaker 1: Article is focused on. But that's what's focused It's not 2234 01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,840 Speaker 1: focused on the porn part of it. It's focused on 2235 01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,680 Speaker 1: these communities of dudes who have convinced themselves that like 2236 01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,200 Speaker 1: the secret to their problems is not masturbating, which is 2237 01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,639 Speaker 1: stupid and wrong and just going to stress you more out. 2238 01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,679 Speaker 2: The article for me, was trying to undermine the overall movement, 2239 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,519 Speaker 2: which is not focused nearly as much on the whatever 2240 01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:41,000 Speaker 2: all this nonsense about testosterone increasing or you know whatever. 2241 01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:43,559 Speaker 2: It was much more an attempt at least, this is 2242 01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:45,559 Speaker 2: the way I read it to try and undermine the 2243 01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:49,719 Speaker 2: overall you know, the overall movement, which is almost entirely 2244 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,720 Speaker 2: if you were to engage and to go on the space, 2245 01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,519 Speaker 2: is centered around pornography. It o has nothing to do 2246 01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:59,040 Speaker 2: with any of these claims about masturbation or about semen 2247 01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:00,240 Speaker 2: rich to whatever test. 2248 01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,400 Speaker 1: It's called noot dot com. I mean, there's clearly an 2249 01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:05,120 Speaker 1: am of that. I just I think you're reading a 2250 01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,240 Speaker 1: lot into it that isn't there. I read the whole piece. 2251 01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,920 Speaker 1: It's lengthy. It's all about this, like you know, pseudoscience 2252 01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,080 Speaker 1: about how you know your testasternal increase and girls will 2253 01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,000 Speaker 1: love you and you'll feel better and you'll be like 2254 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,360 Speaker 1: a real man if you don't jerk off anymore, which 2255 01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,120 Speaker 1: is like predatory. That's like predatory to men. So I 2256 01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:26,720 Speaker 1: just viewed it through the total opposite lens of it 2257 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:31,280 Speaker 1: didn't really take a position on pro pornography or anti pornography. 2258 01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,280 Speaker 1: That was like incidental to the whole thing, and. 2259 01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:34,760 Speaker 2: Only it's true because if you look at the quote 2260 01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,280 Speaker 2: unquote survivors and the people who are no longer adherents, 2261 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,840 Speaker 2: all of them talk about consumption of pornography, because again, 2262 01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,240 Speaker 2: pornography is the one that is upstream of this entire discussion. 2263 01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:44,600 Speaker 1: What they said, it's nothing. 2264 01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:46,439 Speaker 2: To do with many many of the clip look like 2265 01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,960 Speaker 2: I said, NoFap dot com and all that, the vast 2266 01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,000 Speaker 2: majority of the content is not focused by what we're 2267 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:51,679 Speaker 2: talking about here. 2268 01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,559 Speaker 1: It is all about pornography. Now. 2269 01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:56,080 Speaker 2: The people I spoke to have been under attack now 2270 01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,720 Speaker 2: for years by the porn industry, largely because they understand 2271 01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:03,599 Speaker 2: that any abstention from masturbation or sexual behavior or whatever 2272 01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:07,000 Speaker 2: is itself obviously an attack on the porn industry. 2273 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,760 Speaker 3: And I don't think it's an accident that it happens. 2274 01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,080 Speaker 2: Whenever the North Carolina law Virginia up where we both live, 2275 01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,719 Speaker 2: both considering legislation on this. They're actually fourteen now states 2276 01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,120 Speaker 2: that are thinking about adopting. 2277 01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,360 Speaker 3: This has all happened in the last several months. 2278 01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:22,320 Speaker 2: For me, though, again the way I read it and 2279 01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,600 Speaker 2: I thought it was dwelling telling that they focus on 2280 01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:28,840 Speaker 2: pornography amongst us quote unquote survivors of the survivors or 2281 01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,000 Speaker 2: whatever of this thing is that they're trying to make 2282 01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:35,360 Speaker 2: a straw man of acclaimant of a movement which is 2283 01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,400 Speaker 2: not the vast majority of people who are engaging with 2284 01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:39,320 Speaker 2: this type of content. 2285 01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,920 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I mean again, when I read it, 2286 01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,599 Speaker 1: the parts where they talk about pornography, I think is 2287 01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:47,960 Speaker 1: also makes a lot of sense of basically, like, you know, 2288 01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,120 Speaker 1: these people had been convinced that like all pornagre, you 2289 01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,720 Speaker 1: have to completely abstain and you have an addiction if 2290 01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:56,559 Speaker 1: you're watching porn like once a week or once a 2291 01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:59,400 Speaker 1: month or whatever, and that that was adding a lot 2292 01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:01,719 Speaker 1: of shame and pure to their lives that didn't belong. 2293 01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't see anything the farious in that. Well, I mean, look, 2294 01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:06,360 Speaker 1: it depends more. 2295 01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,040 Speaker 2: What I would say is like if we can have 2296 01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:09,679 Speaker 2: a again, I'm a secular person. 2297 01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:11,519 Speaker 1: I got no Christian undertones to all of us. 2298 01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,000 Speaker 2: But I think we you know, at least when we 2299 01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,320 Speaker 2: use our phone, at least when we use any sort 2300 01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:19,000 Speaker 2: of technology that we can understand as addictive alcohol, anything 2301 01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,519 Speaker 2: we can see at the beginning from the outset where 2302 01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:23,200 Speaker 2: like this is a trade off. I don't think that 2303 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,360 Speaker 2: is baked into teenagers and others, especially men who are 2304 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,599 Speaker 2: well into the thirties forties now, who have grown up 2305 01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:30,720 Speaker 2: on the internet, the norms and all of the other 2306 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,960 Speaker 2: things that people have internalized around things that are harmful 2307 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,240 Speaker 2: that does not exist with pornography. And I think that's 2308 01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:40,360 Speaker 2: what most of the no FAP quote unquote movement, people online, 2309 01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,880 Speaker 2: people on Instagram and others who talk about this are 2310 01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,200 Speaker 2: trying to get into people's heads. So for me, this 2311 01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,519 Speaker 2: is way like whatever this is, I think is a 2312 01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:51,080 Speaker 2: very very small part of abstention from pornography movement, which 2313 01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,080 Speaker 2: is widespread, increasingly taking off, and I hope it continues 2314 01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,720 Speaker 2: to do so for people who are young and is 2315 01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:58,920 Speaker 2: a strong man to try and target them to seem 2316 01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,680 Speaker 2: as freaks and weird. In my opinion, it is much 2317 01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:05,840 Speaker 2: more freakish and weird to celebrate like widespread pornarchy usage 2318 01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:09,040 Speaker 2: and again to come after and to advocate for legislation, 2319 01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:11,599 Speaker 2: which is what the people who are in the quoted 2320 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,759 Speaker 2: in this article believing is you shouldn't have age verification 2321 01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:16,040 Speaker 2: if you do out there, it's. 2322 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,160 Speaker 1: Not even a part of the article. Age verification thing 2323 01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:19,920 Speaker 1: isn't even in there. I mean that's not even argument 2324 01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,720 Speaker 1: that's being made here, but the I think it is 2325 01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:27,840 Speaker 1: entirely appropriate to expose basically predator grifters who are lying 2326 01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:32,040 Speaker 1: to dudes about, you know, some solution that is just 2327 01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,519 Speaker 1: going to create more stress, some quote unquote solutions, so 2328 01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,680 Speaker 1: only it's going to create more stress and anxiety in 2329 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:39,960 Speaker 1: their lives. I think that's an entirely appropriate like lane 2330 01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,960 Speaker 1: to investigate. And you may not one hundred percent love 2331 01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, the piece that they wrote or the people 2332 01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,920 Speaker 1: they talked to or whatever, but to say it's illegitimate 2333 01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:50,439 Speaker 1: to even talk about that and say, hey, this isn't 2334 01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:52,800 Speaker 1: a solution and you're getting lied to, I just I 2335 01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:54,320 Speaker 1: actually think that's a disservice to men. 2336 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,120 Speaker 2: I don't think it's so legitimate. I think that it 2337 01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,320 Speaker 2: was biased. I think that the person behind it was 2338 01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,639 Speaker 2: clearly used. I don't think she understood the Free Speech 2339 01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,600 Speaker 2: Coalition much of the ties that these doctors and advocates 2340 01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,600 Speaker 2: who have been largely appearing at pornography events, which I 2341 01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,040 Speaker 2: have evidence if people want to go and look at 2342 01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:13,000 Speaker 2: it and are openly talking and using their power articles 2343 01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,679 Speaker 2: like this to advocate specifically against age verification laws, which 2344 01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm talking about I was trying to I. 2345 01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:20,840 Speaker 1: Know they use this is what they use. 2346 01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:22,880 Speaker 2: They're like, hey, look, these people are all grifters, the 2347 01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,280 Speaker 2: people behind this. You want to be aligned with the freaks, 2348 01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,519 Speaker 2: Like that's why you can't support something like this, Like 2349 01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,840 Speaker 2: for me, it's a big it's a part of a tool. 2350 01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:31,920 Speaker 2: It's the same way as if you look at the past, 2351 01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:36,560 Speaker 2: like the Fitness is a fascist article that we infamulously 2352 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,280 Speaker 2: remember from MSNBC. That whole article was about how some 2353 01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,680 Speaker 2: Nazis or whatever like fitness. What I mean, sure, is 2354 01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,160 Speaker 2: that a legitimate point, Yeah, but what are what's the subtext? 2355 01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:46,840 Speaker 1: Like, what are they. 2356 01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:49,479 Speaker 2: Trying to say is that gym obsession and all of 2357 01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,880 Speaker 2: this is hyper masculine, can have ties quote unquote to 2358 01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:56,160 Speaker 2: right wing movements and is coded as bad. It's I'm 2359 01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,320 Speaker 2: reading this in the same like social commentary. 2360 01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,800 Speaker 1: That's not what the article saying is. I don't think 2361 01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:03,680 Speaker 1: I think you're reading too much into it. Maybe, I mean, 2362 01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:07,880 Speaker 1: this reporter is not responsible for that piece, right, This 2363 01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,479 Speaker 1: person is writing their own thing about something they seem, 2364 01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, is provably harmful to men. Like I said, 2365 01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,000 Speaker 1: I think I think that is a service to men 2366 01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:18,200 Speaker 1: to say Hey, this is a pack of lies, and 2367 01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,680 Speaker 1: ending your days of jerking off is first of all, 2368 01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:23,320 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to accomplish it, and 2369 01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,759 Speaker 1: second of all, it's only going to create more stress 2370 01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,439 Speaker 1: in your life and is not any sort of a 2371 01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:29,920 Speaker 1: solution for whatever problems you might actually be facing. 2372 01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:32,280 Speaker 2: I think you're being charitable, and maybe that's good. Maybe 2373 01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,240 Speaker 2: I'm too much of a conspiracy theorist here. For me, 2374 01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,080 Speaker 2: it's a matter of emphasis. It's a matter of where 2375 01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:39,200 Speaker 2: the quoe unquote medical establishment falls down on what's good 2376 01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,599 Speaker 2: and what's not. And then in general, it's like, we're 2377 01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,400 Speaker 2: really going to be policing the thought of a small 2378 01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:48,080 Speaker 2: segment of overall hundreds of thousands of people who are online, 2379 01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:52,040 Speaker 2: who again, this is we're talking about policing Reddit comments 2380 01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,120 Speaker 2: inside the threads, as opposed to the overwhelming thing is 2381 01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:56,760 Speaker 2: just hey, stay awake with this is a. 2382 01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,920 Speaker 1: Whole organization that's set up dedicated to like, go on 2383 01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,679 Speaker 1: this ninety day no masturbation like cleansed situation. 2384 01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,840 Speaker 2: But I don't know that is about being away from pornography, 2385 01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,479 Speaker 2: and it's specifically about resetting your relationship to that. 2386 01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,400 Speaker 1: That's not what this article is really pornography is so 2387 01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,880 Speaker 1: incidental to this, and the age verification thing isn't here whatsoever. 2388 01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,800 Speaker 1: So I just think you've concocted like an elaborate conspiracy 2389 01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,759 Speaker 1: that isn't there in terms of what's actually in the article. 2390 01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,800 Speaker 2: We'll see, Crystal, We'll see when when they use one 2391 01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,200 Speaker 2: of these articles in the state legislator to argue against 2392 01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:28,200 Speaker 2: the laws I think. 2393 01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,880 Speaker 1: Well, And I also have issues with the idea of 2394 01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,160 Speaker 1: everybody having to upload their driver's license before they jerk, 2395 01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,880 Speaker 1: don't it's let me put that on the record as well. 2396 01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,599 Speaker 2: Okay, well we could talk about that another day, all right, guys. 2397 01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,080 Speaker 2: As you can see, we enjoy having our fun debates. 2398 01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:43,240 Speaker 2: There are quite a few right last couple. 2399 01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:44,280 Speaker 1: Of days lately. 2400 01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,240 Speaker 2: But for breaking points, I think you guys can support 2401 01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,320 Speaker 2: us at Breakingpoints dot com. And we've got the RFK 2402 01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:52,599 Speaker 2: Junior Focus Group which is coming up, which will again 2403 01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,000 Speaker 2: be exclusively available. 2404 01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:55,880 Speaker 1: Other than that, we will see you all later.