1 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Y'all, we have the one and only Nancy Grace with 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: us for a true crime round up. Back in the day, 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: we would often get together on Fridays and assess the 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: week and plan and prepare for Monday, and Nancy would 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: call it a round up. So I'm gonna get right 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: to it and let Miss Grace take over. So let's 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: talk first about Sean Puffy Combs aka P Diddy. So 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: the Feds hit two of his homes, one in LA 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: and one in Miami. What did you think when you 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: heard that? 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: Okay, number one. I don't know how I feel about 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: calling it a round up because you make cases sound 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: like cows or pigs of some sort. But that said, 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: Sean P. Diddy comes aka Puff aka puff Daddy aka Diddy. 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many more. And Cheryl, you know, 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: I love nothing more than standing in front of a 17 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: jury panel that means sixty to one hundred people and 18 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: reading the indictment when the defendant has a long list 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: of aliases because guess what, Cheryl, most people don't have. 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: Aliases, That's right, that's right. 21 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: So everybody looks there with the defendant's like, uh, why 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: do you have a bunch of fake names. But starting there, 23 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: I can tell you this, Cheryl. When the FEDS roll 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: up in front of your place in armored trucks and 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: we're in kevlar, you have a problem, a big problem. 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what Sean Comes I think that's his 27 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: real name has right now. I have disliked Comes ever 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: since his blow up with j LO Jennifer Lopez, way 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: back back back when when a shootout started. I think 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: it was in a night club and she wisely broke 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: up with him. That's somebody knows that we haven't heard 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: a peep from her. I bet Ben Affleck ain't happy 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: one bit his beautiful wife was ever tangled up with 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: this pos But that said, I don't know anything about 35 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: their relationship. I just know that's the best day's work 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: she ever did, was dumping him. Here's the deal, Cheryl. 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: Many people are going, oh boo hoo, why did they 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 2: mess up his place? It looks so messy now. All 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: I could see were about I don't know, two or 40 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars of designer tennis hes on the floor. 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: That's what's stuck out at me. But here's what happens 42 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: during a search, especially when there are people at the 43 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 2: search target. We are hearing about guns as well as 44 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: sex trafficking. You do not go in to a location 45 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: until it is secured. If there are people there, they 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: have to be taken outside and searched. You can't have 47 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: anybody near a gun. Do I have to say the 48 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: name Randy Schappany do you remember Randy Cheryl McCollum. My friend, 49 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: one of the first friends I made at the District 50 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: Attorney's office was a young cop, a rookie. He was 51 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: nearly married. He and his wife were trying to have 52 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: a baby. And when he would come to grand jury 53 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: I believe it was Tuesdays and Fridays. I would you 54 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: speak to him, We might have a cup of coffee 55 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: if we had time. He did a simple traffic stop 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: and the ahle shot him dead. 57 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Right horrible. 58 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you go into these situations, you never 59 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: know what's going to happen. So hgl Yes, they detained everyone, 60 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: including Sean Combs his sons, we are told, and handcuffed them. 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: I mean, how do I know that there wasn't someone 62 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: in that home jacked up on meth or something else 63 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 2: that would grab a gun and start shooting. So that's 64 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: why that happened. So everybody can quit whining about that. 65 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: Can we think instead about his place being left in 66 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: a mess and occupants being detained and handcuffed about the women. 67 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: Some of the alleged victims are underage, underage, let me 68 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: repeat under age. They can't give consent even if they 69 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: want to to sex. So what we are getting right 70 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: now is the picture of a man with everything, money, fame, 71 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: mansions on both sides of our great country, everything he 72 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: could want at the tip of his fingerprints. He's won 73 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: all sorts of awards, He's been on the cover of 74 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: the Rolling Stone, you name it. Many people think he's attractive. 75 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: I don't, but many people do. All I can see 76 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: when I look at him, I just see sex trafficker. 77 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: Of course, he hasn't been proven guilty. That will happen 78 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: in a court of law. But let's think about the 79 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 2: alleged victims here. What they've been through, Threatened with losing 80 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: their jobs, being given alcohol or drugs, being transported to 81 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: have let me put in quotes, sex with multiple quote 82 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: sex partners while being videoed. Yeah, when all this comes 83 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: out in court, if we reach that day, we're going 84 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: to learn a lot about Sean Comes. 85 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's been alleged ray sex trafficking and other abuses. 86 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: And the deal is, Nancy, we have four women now, 87 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: but more are going to come forward. 88 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, You're driving me to a double right now. 89 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: I'm on my second cup of tea, Cheryl my column 90 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: thinking about Sean. He did e puff puffy Comes because 91 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: here's the deal. Let me take a swig of this. 92 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: Oh lord, I'll let it get cold, Cheryl. It's hard. 93 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: I remember trying a multi millionaire for the murder of 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: his wife. What he did was he he set his 95 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: mansion on fire after he hit her in the head, 96 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: and when the fire department rolled up, he was laying 97 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: all a Romanesque across the street in the front yard 98 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: of another mansion, this beautiful manicured grass. I mean, coming 99 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: from bib County, rural George, I had never see anything 100 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: like it. And they said what happened? He goes, oh, 101 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: you know, my house caught on fire. It was about 102 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: a minute in before he said, oh, my wife's in there. 103 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: You know how many times I said that to the jury. 104 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: But here he was. How did he get out with 105 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: his pants, his shoes, his shirt, his wallet, his belt, 106 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: his keys, his glasses, and she died in there with 107 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: the big blow to the head. Anyway, my point is 108 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: he was a multimillionaire. It was just me and he 109 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: had a fleet, a fleet of expensive lawyers, all kind 110 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: of experts. My point is very hard going up against 111 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: someone one that has fame and good will from the jury. 112 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: It's very hard. You know, Cheryl, you met me when 113 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: I was a state violent felony crime prosecutor in superior Court. 114 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: Before that, I don't know if we ever even discussed this. 115 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: I was a fed for three years. I would go crazy, Cheryl, 116 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: because we couldn't move on a case, even though I 117 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: had amassed boxes in a whole I had a whole 118 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: room devoted to my boxes of evidence across from my office, 119 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: but we couldn't move because the Feds weren't ready. Okay, 120 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: it took forever, which is one of the reasons I 121 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: become a felony prosecutor, because it's a much more rapid 122 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: pace of prosecution. So I'm telling you, the FEDS did 123 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: not just roll up in comes this front yard and 124 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: execute a search warrant on simultaneous search warrants if they 125 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: don't already have him dead to rights. 126 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: I am so oh glad you said that, because you're 127 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: talking about a home in LA and Miami simultaneously. But 128 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: then they started to arrest some of his associates, and 129 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: now simultaneously his business partners have all gotten subpoenas. That 130 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: tells me just how confident they are in their case. 131 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because now everybody's going to start trying to cut deals. 132 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Mmmmm. 133 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: The alleged drug mule has been arrested at Miami Airport. 134 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: He's going to turn a deal. There's no way, because 135 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: a drug mule can get life behind bars with the Feds. 136 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: They don't play. They're not cutting any deal with anybody. 137 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: They don't need to. So they probably got Diddy all 138 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: all kinds of ways, left, right and upside down. They 139 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: may have done wire taps. You see. People are going 140 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: to roll over so they don't do life behind bars, 141 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: so they don't get accomplished to sex trafficking charges. Anybody 142 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: that helped comes do this can go down as they should. 143 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: And another thing that he's done, he's pretty much had 144 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: his entire life and career on videotape. So a lot 145 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: of these associations, we're going to be able to see 146 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: them live and in color. 147 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: You make it sound like the local Kawana's Club. What 148 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: association a buck of pimps getting together. I don't care 149 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: how much money they have. They're pimps. If these allegations 150 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: are true, you know, think about it. You know what, 151 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: this is not a hard luck story because I have 152 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: everything in the world I could possibly want. I have 153 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: the twins, I have David, I got you, I've got 154 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: my mom still with me. I've got friends that I 155 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: work with, friends from the DA's office. I am so blessed. 156 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: I mean like I hate to ever even pray to 157 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: God for any help because I'm already so blessed. But 158 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: think about it, Cheryl. You know how I grew up, 159 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, on red dirt road in the middle of nowhere, 160 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: with well my grandfather Doug in the backyard pumping out 161 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,359 Speaker 2: red water, muddy water, and you know, getting the bookmobile. 162 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: That's how I got books over the summer that come 163 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: out to the quote underprivileged families and so the children 164 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: would have books to read over the sum I just 165 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: thought it was wonderful because you know, that's the first 166 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 2: time I had ever had air conditioned. I did not 167 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: want to read the bookmobile. I thought it was the 168 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: best thing that ever happened. That said, I mean, I 169 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: had an idealic childhood. But look at what Diddy has 170 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: everything everything, mansions, money, beautiful cars. I see him in 171 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: a fur coat with every new album, I mean a 172 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: new I mean, he's got everything. And it always confounds me, Cheryl, 173 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: how somebody that seemingly has everything is driven to do 174 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: such horrible crimes. I don't get it. 175 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: I've always told people money makes you more of what 176 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: you really are. 177 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: Ooh, did you make that up? I did. 178 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: That's what you really are. That's true, Cheryl McCollum. It 179 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: is true. You are loving and kind and given. The 180 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: more you have, the more you do for other people. 181 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: Look what you do for the Methodist Home. Look what 182 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: you've done for domestic violence victims. You give, and you 183 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: give and you give. If somebody is not that money 184 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: is going to show that too. Big time can't hide 185 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 3: who you are. I'm telling you. 186 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: Okay, By the way, I think I said that first. 187 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: Now now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure from. 188 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: Me that could be true. I have stolen a lot 189 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: from you. There ain't no doubt. There is no doubt 190 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll even start a speech and I'll say, have 191 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: y'all ever heard of Nancy Grace? And if they say no, honey, 192 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: I lost right into some of your good stuff. 193 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: So can I just tell you about a speech I 194 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: just gave down in Hey, Hi, Georgia, Oh I love 195 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: ay Aara. It was the Children's Advocacy What was the 196 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: name of it? And I saw these workers just devoting themselves. 197 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: I'm looking at right now, Children's Advocacy Center, Children's Advocacy Center. 198 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: You know, they had a skeleton staff and they were 199 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: trying to raise money. And I gave a speech, and 200 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: you know, it never fails. I choke up every time 201 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: I talk about certain cases that I remember. You know, 202 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: that never goes away. And that's just me having prosecuted them. 203 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: Think about these alleged victims. You know what I was 204 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: reading just this morning, Cheryl. I was reading about how 205 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose Blanchard. You know, her mother abused her and 206 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: made her pretend to be deathly ill, claiming she had cancer. 207 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: She had all these forced operations on her, she'd shave 208 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: her head or teeth fell out, horrible mistreatment. It just 209 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 2: came out that and she killed her mother. That she 210 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: she got out of jail finally, and she married someone. 211 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: They just broke up after three months. Okay, I'm not 212 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: saying she didn't murder her mother. I'm not saying that 213 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: that's not wrong. What I am saying is, once you 214 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: suffer trauma, you are never the same. You're never the same. 215 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about these alleged victims, what they went through, 216 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: and it's going to be made out that they did 217 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: whatever they had to do for money. That's that's going 218 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: to be a defense. But can you say that about underaged, 219 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: underage girls. I know you can't. 220 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be deeper and wider and uglier. 221 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: And they have it right. 222 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: You said that about Michael Jackson too, and so did I. 223 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Sebastian Rogers, Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, missing 224 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: autistic fifteen year old, no shoes, no cell phone, no 225 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: way to get anywhere, and it got down to at 226 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: least forty degrees that we know of, and he's been 227 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: gone a long time. His mama and stepdaddy are unusual 228 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: in the way they answer questions. They seem very vague. 229 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: It's almost like they're trying to be polite when they 230 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: were talking to you. Everything was yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am, 231 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: But then they offer nothing else. If you honestly believed 232 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: that your child was missing, you would be out twenty 233 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: four hours a day your self, searchant, calling his name, 234 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: putting up flowers, begging for help. But they've left the home. 235 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: Yes, I've gotten a lot of heat about my interview 236 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: with them, but I have found this Cheryl. Everybody wanted 237 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: me to t and feather them, tear them apart, and 238 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: yes I could have done that, But you know what 239 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: I want to share on More than I wanted to 240 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: vent anger and frustration over Sebastian's disappearance, I wanted facts. 241 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to find out things that I had not 242 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: found out yet before. It was a fact finding mission, 243 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: not a judging arena. I tried to hold back incredulity, 244 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: smart ass comments that it would have been cheap shots 245 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: I could have easily taken. To find out a lot 246 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: about what cars were there. I'm very curious, were cars 247 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: moved in the middle of the night, what were the 248 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: making models? I want to find out if they've got 249 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: a NAV system in them, just all sorts of minute 250 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: details that matter. Is their emotion activated light on security 251 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: lights on their home, did they activate? How far away 252 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: did the neighbors live, Just all sorts of things that 253 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: I would want to know to build a case, not 254 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: necessarily against them, but against whoever got Sebastian out of 255 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: that house. 256 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: Nancy, you did a beautiful job. You did an outstanding job. 257 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: You think I care what people online say? If I 258 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: cared about that, I'd be under the bed hiding right now. 259 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: No task could ever be completed, no dream would ever 260 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: come true. 261 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: Amen, But you did a beautiful job. You found out 262 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: that he hit him with a belt in the past. 263 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: You found out CPS was involved. You found out they 264 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: locked their doors, they don't have an alarm, they don't 265 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: have emotion sensor. That he's willing to take a polygraph 266 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: if you set it up. You did an outstanding job 267 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: building what everybody needed to hear them say. 268 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there is a time to raise hell, 269 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: and that time is when you have the facts and 270 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: you know that you're right. I'm fact finding right now 271 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: and I'm still fact finding. I see a lot of infighting. 272 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: I see a lot of attacks on the Cajun the 273 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: Cajun Navy, who's trying their best to help but I 274 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: really think that now is the time for everyone to 275 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: band together to try to find Sebastian. I'm afraid Sebastian 276 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: is no longer alive because it's been so long with 277 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 2: no one coming forward, no one having spotted him, no credible, 278 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 2: credible sightings of him. That is very disturbing to me. Now, 279 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: think about it, Cheryl, if this boy, autistic boy was 280 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: on foot, how far could he have gotten? He was 281 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: not in the retention pond. I already know that was drained. 282 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: I'm getting conflicting reports as to whether the dog's K 283 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: nine or cadaver hit truly hit outside the home. We've 284 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 2: been told by Elie law enforcement they did not, but 285 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: Sebastian's mom said they did. What does that mean? I 286 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: can extrapolate from that, but I don't know what that means. 287 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 2: But I tell you this, the best witness I've ever 288 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: put on the stand was a dog. 289 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: Amen. 290 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: I believe a dog over a human any day. So 291 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: that how far could he really have gotten? And wouldn't 292 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: we have found him by now if he had left 293 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: on foot. That's factoring into my deductions. But the United 294 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: Cage and Navy has kicked off a search for him. 295 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: A law was made about a false hit. Now, when 296 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: I say false hit by dogs, I had it explained 297 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: to me by the Cage and Navy. This is what happened. 298 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 2: There was a hit, but it was in a on 299 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: federal land near a railroad where a lot of homeless 300 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: people have been living, and it had been closed off. 301 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: And the hit was not about Sebastian. It was on 302 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 2: another person. It was not on Sebastian. There was a 303 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: lot of excitement when we heard a dog got a 304 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: hit in this federal land. It had nothing to do 305 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: with this case. And I've clarified that. I was happy 306 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: and sad at the same time when I found out 307 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: about the hit. But I don't want to give up 308 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: hope yet. But it's been a while now that Sebastian's 309 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 2: been gone. Where is he? Could he really be hiding 310 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: in a shed or in an out out? You know, 311 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: the curtilage garage is set in a shed of tool house. 312 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense to me. 313 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: No, not after three days, six days, nine days. I mean, 314 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: it's getting too long, way too long. But you mentioned dog, 315 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: and that was one thing that I wanted to say, 316 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: that they had dogs in the home, so they didn't 317 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: hear the dogs barking. There was no forced entry. Nothing's 318 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: missing of value other than the child. But I'm saying 319 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't like a burglary. 320 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: Also exactly, and that also very very important, Cheryl. I 321 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: asked the mother about his social media and she said 322 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: he didn't have any other than playing games. Then I 323 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: questioned her about of course, you know, when my son 324 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: John David plays Minecraft or whatever he's playing, I always 325 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: ask who are you playing with? And I find out 326 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: who's on I'm like, don't ever ever play with people 327 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 2: you don't know in real life because this could be 328 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: some creepy purve, you know, out of Alaska and New Jersey, 329 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: far far away. Is my point, that you don't know, 330 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: you don't know, you have to only play with people 331 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: you know. But did he know that? No, so the 332 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: mom tells me he didn't have that kind of internet access, 333 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: So that if that's true, that rules out him being 334 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: groomed online secretively and taken by a purpose. So where 335 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: does that leave me? If he hasn't wandered away on foot, 336 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: if he wasn't grimmed, if the dad, who I believe 337 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: the bio dad, I do believe he was far away 338 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: and had nothing to do with this. Where does that 339 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: leave me? And I'll leave you to your own conclusions 340 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: until the investigations time. 341 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Coburger. Oh, so the defense team is making phone calls 342 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: to folks potential jurors and they're giving them some type 343 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: of survey. Now, when I first heard it, I'm like, 344 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: what in the world, Like I can't imagine just my 345 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: phone ringing and then hey, I want to give you 346 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: a survey about Coburger. How much do you know about 347 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: the case whatever? And apparently they've called four hundred people. 348 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: But then I thought different of it, But I want 349 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: to get your opinion. 350 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think this's jury tampering. Yes, Brian Coburger's defense 351 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: team has been trying to quote survey potential gurrrs. It's 352 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: been mixed by the judge. Now his defense team is 353 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: whining about it. After the judge ordered both sides to 354 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: stay away from potential grrs ahead of the change of 355 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: in you hearing that's coming up. They want to change 356 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: of in you. I would argue that they have poisoned 357 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: their own wealth. They're the ones that are making these calls. 358 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: It's like you here, here's something that every good appellate 359 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: lawyer knows appellate what does that mean? That means after 360 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: there's a conviction. Of course, the the defendant appeals, you 361 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: very often bring in the appellate team, not a trial lawyer, 362 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: the appellate team within the district attorney's office that does 363 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: nothing but write appeals. I always insisted that I write 364 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: my own appeals and go to the appellate court, be 365 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: at Georgia Court of Appeals or the Georgia Supreme Court 366 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: to argue my own case because I wanted to make 367 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: sure that it was done. Let me just say, whole hog, 368 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: I mean somebody that really cared about holding that conviction, 369 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: who I felt I cared. So I would typically do 370 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: my own appellate arguments in brief. But that said, if 371 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: you cause you the defense caused the error at trial, 372 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: you cannot then complain about it on appill. For instance, 373 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: in Alex Murdog, the idiot defense lawyer actually he's won 374 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: a lot of cases, opened the door and the jury 375 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: found out because of the defense about all the millions 376 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: and millions of dollars Murdog had stolen, which really gave 377 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: them him a motive for murder. Right, that was the 378 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: defense problem. They did that. That's now not a ground 379 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: for appill they brought it. They did it to themselves. 380 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: Now here's another issue. I don't want to go to 381 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: deaf con for. But once the lawyer does that, you 382 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: can also argue it was in effective assistance of counsel 383 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: because the lawyer did that. So you're between a rock 384 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: and a hardspot. That said, the defense has brought on 385 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: a problem, they can't complain about it if there's a conviction. 386 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 2: They have tainted, have poisoned the jury pool by this survey. Now, 387 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: yes they're wrong, but just because the other person is 388 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: wrong and you win the argument doesn't mean you win 389 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: the war. If they don't grant a change of venue, 390 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: even though the defense has caused the problem, later on, 391 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: it could be argued that that's reversible error. So I 392 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: would go along with the change of venue, even though 393 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 2: I didn't want to. 394 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: Really smart, here's what I thought. I thought, you know 395 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're getting to that jury first, they're 396 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: set in the tone. They're going to ask these questions 397 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: to feel them out so that they are more prepared 398 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: for what are So if there's something that really offends 399 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: the majority of these four hundred people. They're going to 400 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: toss that out. That's what I think they were doing. 401 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: They were playing this game first. 402 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: Now here's another thing. The defense lawyer and Taylor just 403 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: wrote a motion to resind the judge. His name is 404 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: Judge Judge. Judge is actually his last name. Okay, there 405 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: was a late Friday afternoon filing, and I find that 406 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: to be a strategy to shut down this survey. I'm 407 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: very curious about what the defense was thinking, and I 408 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: want to hear the reaction of some of the people 409 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: that were being quote surveyed. Now, the defense claims they 410 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: were just trying to get evidence to support their application 411 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: for change of venue. See what I mean, like, Hey, 412 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: have you heard about the case? What have you heard 413 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 2: about the case? Have you already reached an opinion? That's 414 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: what you do when you strike a jury. You don't 415 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: take the pool ahead of time. One hundred residents subjected 416 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: to the defense telephone survey. By the way, I found out, 417 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: the hardest psychologist, Brian Edelman, to conduct the polling. The 418 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: defense is trying to wiggle out of it by claiming 419 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: many of his questions dealt with media influence, and the 420 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 2: state is arguing that everything that they did was not 421 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: factually correct. So I mean the judge's going to have 422 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: a fit, or he should have a fit. But what 423 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm really upset about. I mean, I already know there's 424 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: going to be a change of venu, so this is 425 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: kind of like we're moving changing in you anyway. So 426 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: what does that matter except now we know the defense 427 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: will cheat. What worries me more is putting this case 428 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: off three years past the murders. That's not fair to 429 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: the families or the witnesses. 430 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, it's not Listen. I know you've got other 431 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: things to do today, and I appreciate you. This is 432 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: just our first true crime rodeo, so I appreciate y'all 433 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: being with us for this roundup. 434 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, before you leave, I want to hear one 435 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: story from our days together in the courtroom one and 436 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: we have not rehearsed this, everybody. I can't wait to 437 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: hear what she's going to say. Well, you look great 438 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: and me look bad. 439 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: But go ahead, remember that time that I gave you 440 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: advice on the closing argument. No, I'm just kidding. You 441 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: mentioned the dog as a witness, So I will just 442 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: tell that story. Nancy absolutely called a dog as a witness, 443 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: brought the dog in, put him right up there in 444 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 1: front of God and country, and the defense attorney, as 445 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: you can imagine, lost their mind. And Nancy Gray said, 446 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: and I quote, it's not a problem. Don't worry. You'll 447 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: have a chance to cross examine him. 448 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened. And I thought the defense attorney, 449 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: I can still remember his face right now. He turned 450 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: so red. I thought his head was going to blow off. 451 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 452 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: Anyway, that was in front of one of my favorite 453 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: judges of all times, Luther Alverson and Cheryl I've told 454 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: you this when I got into his courtroom. He was 455 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: the oldest judge on the bench in Fulton County Superior Court, 456 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: and he was grandfathered in because he was on the 457 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: bench before mandatory retirement happened. And this is this thing. 458 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: Do you know this man ran a mile every morning. 459 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: He was in his eighties, and he was hell bent 460 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: on trying more cases than any other judge in the 461 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: courthouse to show that he was still sharpest attack, which 462 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: meant the da assigned to his courtroom had to trycases 463 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: every other week. That's how I ended up trying all 464 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: those cases. This thank toul Luther Alverson. And it was 465 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: there I brought on the dog witness and the dog, 466 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: the dog was a start, not me. Yeah, you got 467 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: a good memory. Okay, you just keep making yourself look good. 468 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Thank you so much, ma'am. 469 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: Okay, my friend. Bye everybody. 470 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this zone's heaven by everybody. M