WEBVTT - The Deadly New Underwater Border Fence 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.880 Hey, everybody, welcome back to It could happen here. I'm 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.200 Robert Evans, and this is a podcast about things falling 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:16.880 apart and nowhere. I don't know showcases collapse quite as 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:21.360 well as the US Mexico border. And that's my little introduction. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.360 Now I'm going to pivot over to James Stout. James, 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:25.640 what are we talking about today? 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.920 Well, today we are talking about the US Mexico border, 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.240 is specifically in the Great State of Texas, which people 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.240 might remember from its winter power grid failures. It's upcoming 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.440 summer power grid failures. And Greg Abbott's sort of hilarious 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.760 and also very cruel and terrible antics on the border. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.120 And we're joined today by one guest. Who are two 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:47.920 guests we've had before to talk about the border on 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.120 the podcast. We've got Gen Budd, a former senior Border 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:56.960 Patrol agent, an author, and an activist. And Marianna Travina Wright, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:01.280 who people remember as the Butterfly Lady, the previous owner 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.720 of an M four assault rifle, the lady who made 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:08.400 the cop walk off a butterfly sanctuary, once an hero 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:14.080 occasionally of Twitter dot com. How are you guys. 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.039 We're good, We're good. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:18.840 Good to see you guys. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.120 It's nice to hear because we are this is normally 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.280 the time of year where Texas is rough climactically, in 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.800 this particular year, it's it's downright apocalyptic down there. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.080 Yeah, we just don't go outside. You're likely to vaporized spontaneously. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:41.520 Yeah, it looks bad. Yeah. And so what I've gathered 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:46.080 us here today to discuss is the upcoming implementation of 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:52.240 a a floating border wall, a barrier which is going 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.640 to make children drown. I don't really know how to 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.840 describe it. Press one, if you could sort of describe 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.880 this proposed Greg Abbott's talking about it, but it's it's 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:09.040 clearly like a not just a state thing. So perhaps 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.040 we could start out by explaining exactly what he's been 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.680 talking about what this design looks like. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.960 So the floating border wall, I confess in the beginning 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.000 I was kind of like, I don't get it because 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.240 I'm thinking of a wall, you know, going extending upwards. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.320 But essentially what it is are these giant booyes plastic 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:31.400 booies that are very tightly woven together so that you 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.320 can't go in between them. And then the booies also spin, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.760 so if you grab onto them, you're going to just 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.960 spin down. And then underneath the booys is four feet 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.680 of netting, so if you try and swim underneath it, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.840 you will be captured in the netting and then you 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.400 will likely drowned. It's originally I think the original design 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.799 for the makers was to prevent groups like Green Peace 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.600 and so forth from getting to oil what do you 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.760 call them, oil stands out in the middle of the 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.960 ocean and keep their boats from getting to them. So 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.720 now they're going to use them and string them because 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.520 the border technically most Americans, I don't think. No, there's 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.799 the border technically along a lot of parts of the 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.239 Rio Grande and Texas is in the middle of the river, 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.440 depending on where the river's flowing that year, and so 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.480 they will have to also be weighted down as well. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.320 And the hope for the governor is that most of 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.680 the people will drown trying to get over to the 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.280 US side, which means their bodies will remain in Mexico 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.760 and then we won't have to deal with them easypasy. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.040 Yeah, that is a particularly dark consideration. They haven't thought of. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.360 Our border is already. If people aren't familiar with di 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.200 colonial atlets. They have some good visualizations, but you can 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.040 see where migrants die and they have one I think 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.280 it's called where Migrants Die, and there are various sort 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:02.640 of colors for different people dying from exposure, people dig, dehydration, drowning, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.240 and overwhelmingly people don't die on the way here. They 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.960 die within a few miles of our southern border, normally 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:11.000 on the northern side. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:12.440 Our border is. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:16.039 Already and Jen has covered this extensively, how our border 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.800 is already killing people, But this is I think particularly cruel. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.919 Is it something that like Abbott started talking about it 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.880 maybe a month or so ago, maybe two months ago. Now? 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.000 Is it something that he's doing sort of of his own, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.719 like they Arizona sort of contain a wall, or is 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.640 it something that he's proposing as a sort of federal operation. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:41.960 What's going on with I. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.479 Think he originally probably got the idea because in the 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:49.720 Trump administration they had promoted this, and so I believe 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.520 that the former chief under Trump, Rodney Scott, was probably 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.320 they were probably researching him and CBP were researching how 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.360 to do this, because it would take a few at 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.839 least quite a few months, if not years to research 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.400 this and make something like this happen. But I think 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.000 that they abandoned that because they knew that that's just 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:14.760 not going to fly federally. But although why wouldn't it. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.280 I mean, all deterrence policies are based on this kind 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.920 of cruelty, So I guess visually they thought it would 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:25.039 be too much. But since since Rodney Scott is no 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:29.400 longer the chief of the Border Patrol and he resigned, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.960 he's been working with the State of Texas and specifically 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:38.520 with Governor Greg Abbot to develop new policies and so forth. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.679 And he's been down there helping the union and helping 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.800 other ex Border Patrol agents come up with new policies 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:45.240 and new. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.880 Cruelties for Greg Abbott to install. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.120 So I think originally the idea was a federal idea, 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.839 and now it's come down to the State of Texas. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:01.080 Okay, So I guess what how far along is the 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.760 State of Texas in? Like I know, before Trump built 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.360 his border war, we had these little thirty foot prototypes 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.719 in San Diego. He gave a lot of contracts people 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.000 who'd given him a lot of money in his election campaign. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.120 Uh was Wheatland Tube I think is a big one 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.400 and mixed deal. But how far is the State of 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.360 Texas along in its plan to create a floating murder barrier. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:30.039 The booy barrier border barrier is already created and it's 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:35.960 available in various links. And I should add in addition 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:41.360 to the booys in between the booys are spinning radial blades. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.919 So you yeah, it just I mean, every aspect of 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.960 this I can I miss. That is a bloody nightmare. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:50.320 Yeah. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.040 I went to the manufacturer site and it addresses this too, 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.120 So you can't even get to like the middle of 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:05.120 the buoy with uh you know something and cut the 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.960 string of booiz because they are these radial razor blades too. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:18.760 So the state will be deploying it in thousand foot strips. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.200 And Jin and I did a little podcast on this, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.360 I don't know a couple of months ago when we 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:33.040 first saw these signs appearing on the river and they 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.840 were super strange. It was Memorial Day weekend, I believe, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.960 and they were numbered and they said like RGV for 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.880 Rio Grand Valley RGV one ninety one, one ninety three. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.480 We thought, are these mile markers like we have on 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:53.160 the freeway, But they weren't at any particular distance, and 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:58.000 they were put at various spots that appeared as though 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:03.280 they could be areas where migrants crossed. They can also 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.040 be the paths where the cows and the horses come 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.680 down to drink. Jen's been on the river with us. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:14.840 She's observed that at various platforms on the river where 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:21.080 water pump stations are for farmers and irrigation districts and such. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:26.920 So we saw these signs. The RGV one ninety one 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:33.480 is facing the river facing Mexico. The backside of it 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:38.720 is a caution danger risk of drowning sign in English 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:43.120 and in Spanish, but it is facing the United States, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.200 on the bank of the Rio Grande River in the 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.800 United States, so it's in no way a caution to 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.480 anyone who might be approaching the river. And we thought, 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.120 why are they suddenly putting up these signs, because you know, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:03.520 forever people have been crossing the river, and Border patrol 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.960 is on the boats there, Texas DPS, the Coast Guard, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.640 the US Coast Guard now Game Wardens now Florida Highway 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.200 Patrol and Florida Fishing Game and all these. I mean, 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:21.400 it is everybody's floating the river now, not for recreation, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:27.239 but hunting migrants, and so then we thought, well, maybe 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:32.800 these are so that when these out of state interlopers 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.360 and at times even the militia who show up to 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:43.920 help them, could easily communicate with the authorities, say I'm 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.080 at marker number one ninety one or whatever. Then it 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.640 was just a few days after that that the announcement 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:56.000 of this floating border buoy barrier came up. And my 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:01.319 guess is the markers will be used to determine where 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.640 those are deployed, where they get moved, and that sort 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.440 of thing, so that then they can be accounted for. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.680 Right, So are they proposing the entirety of the river 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.160 be covered by the single They're going to move segments 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.199 of it to areas where they think it's a high 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:18.920 traffic area. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.840 They're going to begin an Eagle Pass where four people 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:31.600 drown just this weekend. But then, according to Steve McGraw, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.280 who's head of Texas DPS, it sounds like they will 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:39.560 be putting them all along the river in areas they 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.760 believe are high traffic. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.920 Right, yeah, yeah, and Jesus Christ, it is the dock 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.920 se and yeah, Eagle Pass is where all those people 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.760 died in the in the annac conditioned trailer like I 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.280 think two years ago, right was that Eagle Pass. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.839 Those kind of trailer horror have happened near US and 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:08.200 fel furious in San Antonio. Unfortunately, they happen throughout the 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.920 border region. And there are so many ports of entry 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:16.200 land ports of entry along the Texas Mexico border because 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.720 Texas is I mean, Mexico is our number one trading 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:24.320 partner with the US, and we have NAFTA, which established 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.160 the North American Free Trade Zone. So if you have 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.440 a television or a refrigerator, or you drive a car 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.720 in the United States today, chances are those pieces and 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:39.640 parts are manufactured in Mexico in the Free trade Zone 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.760 and then they get brought over by Trump. Same thing 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.679 with so much of our produce. So the amount of 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.320 that trailer traffic is enormous, and those trailers are used 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.880 for human smuggling at much higher numbers, we should note 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:01.560 than the river area. Same as for narcotics trafficking. Those 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:06.839 things are coming across by the truck load and in 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:13.560 shipping vessels, not in small bundles across the Rio Grand River. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.920 Right, Yeah, I think most I think most narcotics center 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.520 the country through ports of entry red than between ports 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:21.920 of entry against nodings. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.439 Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, yeah. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:30.480 Yeah, absolutely, especially the narcotics that are very expensive. Even 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.079 when I was an agent in the mid nineties, I 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.240 used to say, why do we only get marijuana and 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.680 and the agents would say, well, because cocaine's too expensive 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.200 to put on somebody's back and hike it through the mountains, Yeah, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.440 across the river or in the desert. So it's just 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.439 easier to buy off a CBP agent or a Border 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.560 patrol agent and just get waved on through. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.080 Yeah, they're not like dumb otherwise, Like these these are 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.800 huge money businesses. You're not throwing a half a million 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.600 dollars of cocaine on some guy's back, yeah, right. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.480 And risking it floating away. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.760 Yeah, this valuable merchandise. Like there are no like, no 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.760 more cavalier with it than like target is you know, like. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:24.280 Yeah, the obviously this is part of a sort of 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:29.040 larger I don't know. Abbott does a lot of posturing 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.640 on the border, right, and that posture has real consequences 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.320 for migrants, and it has real consequences for people living 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.079 on both sides of the border as well, right, especially 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.520 I think people our previous coverage that will be very 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.160 well aware of that. Perhaps we could sort of characterize 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.440 this within the context of Operation Loan Star, within the 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.760 other Like you've said, right, the other deployments. It's not 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.160 just even Texas National Guard who are now deployed to 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.840 the border. So could you give us like an overview 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.760 of all the ridiculous lapping that's been done. 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:09.920 Well, there are twelve or thirteen states to date that 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:18.080 have sent prison guards, their national Guard, fishing game or 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:24.200 wildlife officers, and state police to the border. And this 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:33.640 is related to two different campaigns basically by the Border 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:38.160 Patrol Union. One is Biden Border Crisis with that hashtag, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:43.680 which they launched in March of twenty twenty one, and 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:48.920 the other is every state is a Border State, which 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:54.200 was a battle cry for MAGA politicians during the midterms. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:59.320 And so what we see now are these red states 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:05.080 with you know, governors who want to capitalize on looking 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:13.840 tough on immigration sending reinforcements to the border. DeSantis obviously 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.720 was the first to do that because he's been very 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.920 vocal about envyat Abbot and how Abbot had kind of 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.200 a leg up on him in any campaign because. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:27.440 Abbot got the border and Abbot got to, as you said, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.960 posture there and be you know, the new sheriff in 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.800 town and you know, stepping in where. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:42.840 Sleepy Joe is, you know, not performing. But what we 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.400 see in reality is Brandon Judd, who's the president of 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:52.960 the National Border Patrol Council, was stuck to Trump. You know, 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:58.600 they were best buddies and and you know, basically campaigning together. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:04.400 And then Brandon jen kind of fell away from Trump 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:10.520 when he lost reelection and has become Greg Abbott's best 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:16.560 buddy and press junket sidekick and helped stage the launch 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.600 of Operation Lone Star, which you know, was like a 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.600 Fourth of July type parade with the tanks and the 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.160 helicopters and the planes and the boats and the you know, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.440 the ATV agents and the horses, the whole nine yards. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.640 And people think, I think most people in the United 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:42.400 States believe that Abbot is this renegade doing this all 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:47.080 on his own. And what we see is the reality 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:54.440 is it is a joint operation between the state government 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.720 and the federal government, but the Feds won't admit to 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:03.400 it because of the optics. It's bad enough that Biden 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:08.880 continued border wall construction, which most of his supporters opposed. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:15.320 Now he is working hand in glove with Abbott. And 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:20.560 when I say our experience, what we see daily and 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:26.919 what I have documented is US Border Patrol working with 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:32.800 Texas Department of Public Safety troopers and Operation Loan Star 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:38.560 Texas National guardsmen literally riding in the same vehicles together, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:46.320 responding to scenes, patrolling together. And at the Butterfly Center, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.320 we had National Guard Texas National Guard parked on the 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.480 levee at our property, blocking our access back and forth. 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.120 And I went and said, hey, guys, you know this 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.480 is our property and we have to have access to 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:08.520 it during regular business hours for you know, my staff 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.280 who are working here and our members and visitors who 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.919 come to explore and enjoy. So I need you all 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.760 to move. I need you to move your humbyes so 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.600 we can get back and forth. And I recorded this 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:24.399 interaction as I do all and they said, ma'am, we 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.360 don't take our orders from you. We take our orders 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:32.040 from Border Patrol. And that was a revelation to me 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.719 when this happened a couple of years ago. So I 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.040 actually got on the phone with the patrol agent in charge, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.280 the highest ranking Border Patrol agent at the McCallen station, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.520 and I said, his name is Tony Crane. I said, Tony, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.200 you need to come out here and tell these guys 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.480 to move. They're saying they'll only do it for you, 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.600 and they only take orders from you. And Tony drove 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.239 out there to the Butterfly Center, to the levee and 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.880 instructed the National Guard to move their vehicle and they did. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.320 And this is something we've seen over and over. And 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:12.920 I now have in email commander or Regional director rather 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.720 of Texas DPS, Victor Escalon, who the rest of the 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:22.440 nation may know from the Uvaldi tragedy. I have email 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:27.919 from him where he is invoking the federal statute that 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:34.800 DPS claims gives them the authority to ignore our Fourth 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:39.679 Amendment rights and enter private property without warrant as long 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.840 as they're working with Warner Patrol, and they are claiming 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.199 that they are doing so at the request of the 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.960 United States Attorney General according to the federal. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:55.879 Statute am importantly the federal government in any of its 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.280 aspects in saying no, this isn't true, or like they're 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.080 working get like you say, hand in hand with these 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.439 and like it's not even just a joint federal and 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.399 state operation. Like I know, I think it was South 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.560 Dakota's deployment. Was it that was funded by a wealthy individual? 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.760 Like the state didn't pay for it. I can't remember 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.200 which Dakota it was, but yeah, it was funded by 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.320 a wealthy donor who paid for it. 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:22.439 Yeah. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:27.119 So whichever state CHRISTI Noem is in charge of, Yes, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.240 and I believe that also happened in Kentucky or Tennessee. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:36.000 Same thing. It was a wealthy donor who funded their 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:37.600 state National Guard deployment. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.600 Yeah. And then perhaps Jen, you could explain to people 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.800 why it is so different if they believe they have 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:48.160 these within one hundred miles the border, and then again 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.520 within twenty five miles of the border, so many of 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:55.240 your fundamental rights don't apply. Could you explain how that works? 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.880 And then how then if the National Guard see themselves 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.800 is also having the ability to sort of wave the 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.399 with amendment, what that would mean for the privacy of 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:03.600 people living along the border. 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.680 In the United States Border Patrol Academy, So I went 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:13.439 through the academy I started in June of nineteen ninety five, 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.800 so I can at least testify to that. They basically, 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:20.919 you know, I had a four year in law, so 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.160 I knew a little basics about it, and then going 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.160 to the academy, it was really kind of sad because 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.359 they don't really teach you much of anything. They're just like, 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.760 you know, your their rights are limited. We're allowed within 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.119 twenty five miles of the border by the law to 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:40.600 go on anybody's private property and even search their buildings, 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.880 as long as it's not a domicile, and that can 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.840 sometimes be in question whether it's being used as a 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.640 domicile or we consider it as a domicile, And then 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.960 within one hundred miles of any land or sea border, 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:59.000 which encompasses two thirds of the United States population, we 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.080 can basically stop you and ask you to prove that 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:08.960 you're a United States citizen. And so then they increase 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:13.000 that with checkpoints that are a little ways away from 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:17.240 the border, where they under the guise of asking for 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:23.280 your citizenship. They then get to police American citizens or 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:30.040 legal residents. And as the years have progressed, Border patrol 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:31.879 keeps trying to push those authorities. 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:33.480 In the beginning, you know. 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:37.560 We weren't allowed to work with local PD, the local sheriffs. 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.840 There was a very clear separation, a very clear line 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:44.360 between Border Patrol and local cops, or at least legally 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.800 on written paper, there were supposed to be. And after 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.639 nine to eleven, what we end up seeing is the 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:55.800 Border Patrol decides to get very heavily invested into surveillance. 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.320 And it's not a coincidence. Former Chief Rodney Scott was 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.000 in charge of that during that time, and his basic 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:06.560 statement was, you know, if a car is bombed in Iraq, 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.000 the Border Patrol needs to know about it. So they 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.320 considered anything in the world to be important to the 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.240 Border Patrol, and they wanted the Border Patrol to be 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.879 the go to agency and as far as surveillance. So 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.560 that's why you see them being used in Black Lives 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.639 Matter protests and things like this, and we saw them 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:28.640 a lot in the Trump administration where they were supposedly 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.679 guarding federal buildings and then went and attacked them. So 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.480 what you see is the Border Patrol trying to quietly 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:40.959 eke into what is typically considered peace officer authority. So 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.000 they're trying to get peace officer authority in Texas through 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:48.520 the state legislature, and they just keep trying to expand 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:52.280 their authority more and more. What I see in Texas specifically, 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.920 is when you look at the history of immigration when 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.520 the United States, when we first you know, when Texas 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.480 first came a state, and all this other stuff. Originally 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:08.800 the states did their own immigration patrolling, and so if 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.240 you went and you just decided you're going to somehow 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.880 you landed on the coast in Georgia, then you would 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.480 have to go to a Georgian official and pay whatever 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.359 it is that they required of you and stuff. And 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.960 so what I see more and more is like Texas 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.480 is taken back that authority and saying we're the ones 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.639 that are going to say this, and so then they 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.440 can make money off of the deterrence policies and all 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:35.120 of this other stuff. So it's just a constant expansion 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.680 of the rights of the cops, while at the same 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:45.680 time constantly reducing the rights to the people who live 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:47.399 here and even the people that cross here. A lot 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.480 of people think, they'll say, you know that migrants don't 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:51.960 have any constitutional rights. 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:52.840 Well that's not true. 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.600 They have constitutional rights because it says people in the 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:57.480 US Constitution. 0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:58.879 It doesn't say citizens. 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:03.520 So in certain areas it will say citizens, and then 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:08.040 that is exclusive to United States citizens, but they're you know, 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:15.320 the basic rights are afforded to even migrants. But because 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.000 the migrants don't have much of a voice, the border 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.720 patrol gets away with with everything. Secret teams, cover up teams, 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.359 and all this other stuff. Border patrol agents will just 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.800 flat out tell you constitution doesn't exist down here, and 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:29.040 they never get in trouble for it. 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:33.399 So yeah, one of one of the things Jen just 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:40.480 touched on is Texas DPS getting in on this immigration business. 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:47.600 Is when Governor Abbott declared that Operation Loan Star would 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:53.560 be targeting Hispanic males and in some places they talk 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:58.000 about of fighting age. So they're already depicting all of 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:03.119 these individuals as like olders in some invasion in a 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:09.600 gang war, and you know that they're again hostile combatants 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.960 to the United States. But they were going to charge 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:17.400 them all with criminal trespass. So we hear a lot 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.119 about how awful the cartel is and how much money 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.480 they take from migrants and then hold them for ransom, 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:28.240 and how expensive it is to get across. Well, once 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.640 they get across the state of Texas becomes the cartel. 0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:37.720 They arrest them, charge them with criminal trespass, put them 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:42.520 in the county jail. It's a five thousand dollars fine. 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:48.080 Then when they're released from state custody, they're immediately handed 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:52.840