1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to It could happen here. I'm 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Robert Evans, and this is a podcast about things falling 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: apart and nowhere. I don't know showcases collapse quite as 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: well as the US Mexico border. And that's my little introduction. 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to pivot over to James Stout. James, 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: what are we talking about today? 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Well, today we are talking about the US Mexico border, 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: is specifically in the Great State of Texas, which people 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: might remember from its winter power grid failures. It's upcoming 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: summer power grid failures. And Greg Abbott's sort of hilarious 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: and also very cruel and terrible antics on the border. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: And we're joined today by one guest. Who are two 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: guests we've had before to talk about the border on 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: the podcast. We've got Gen Budd, a former senior Border 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: Patrol agent, an author, and an activist. And Marianna Travina Wright, 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: who people remember as the Butterfly Lady, the previous owner 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: of an M four assault rifle, the lady who made 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: the cop walk off a butterfly sanctuary, once an hero 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: occasionally of Twitter dot com. How are you guys. 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 3: We're good, We're good. 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: Good to see you guys. 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: It's nice to hear because we are this is normally 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: the time of year where Texas is rough climactically, in 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: this particular year, it's it's downright apocalyptic down there. 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, we just don't go outside. You're likely to vaporized spontaneously. 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks bad. Yeah. And so what I've gathered 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: us here today to discuss is the upcoming implementation of 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: a a floating border wall, a barrier which is going 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: to make children drown. I don't really know how to 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: describe it. Press one, if you could sort of describe 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: this proposed Greg Abbott's talking about it, but it's it's 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: clearly like a not just a state thing. So perhaps 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: we could start out by explaining exactly what he's been 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: talking about what this design looks like. 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 5: So the floating border wall, I confess in the beginning 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 5: I was kind of like, I don't get it because 37 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 5: I'm thinking of a wall, you know, going extending upwards. 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 5: But essentially what it is are these giant booyes plastic 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 5: booies that are very tightly woven together so that you 40 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 5: can't go in between them. And then the booies also spin, 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 5: so if you grab onto them, you're going to just 42 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 5: spin down. And then underneath the booys is four feet 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 5: of netting, so if you try and swim underneath it, 44 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 5: you will be captured in the netting and then you 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 5: will likely drowned. It's originally I think the original design 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 5: for the makers was to prevent groups like Green Peace 47 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 5: and so forth from getting to oil what do you 48 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 5: call them, oil stands out in the middle of the 49 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 5: ocean and keep their boats from getting to them. So 50 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 5: now they're going to use them and string them because 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 5: the border technically most Americans, I don't think. No, there's 52 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 5: the border technically along a lot of parts of the 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 5: Rio Grande and Texas is in the middle of the river, 54 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: depending on where the river's flowing that year, and so 55 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 5: they will have to also be weighted down as well. 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 5: And the hope for the governor is that most of 57 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: the people will drown trying to get over to the 58 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 5: US side, which means their bodies will remain in Mexico 59 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: and then we won't have to deal with them easypasy. 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a particularly dark consideration. They haven't thought of. 61 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: Our border is already. If people aren't familiar with di 62 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: colonial atlets. They have some good visualizations, but you can 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: see where migrants die and they have one I think 64 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: it's called where Migrants Die, and there are various sort 65 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: of colors for different people dying from exposure, people dig, dehydration, drowning, 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: and overwhelmingly people don't die on the way here. They 67 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: die within a few miles of our southern border, normally 68 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: on the northern side. 69 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: Our border is. 70 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 2: Already and Jen has covered this extensively, how our border 71 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: is already killing people, But this is I think particularly cruel. 72 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 2: Is it something that like Abbott started talking about it 73 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: maybe a month or so ago, maybe two months ago. Now? 74 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: Is it something that he's doing sort of of his own, 75 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: like they Arizona sort of contain a wall, or is 76 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: it something that he's proposing as a sort of federal operation. 77 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: What's going on with I. 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 5: Think he originally probably got the idea because in the 79 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 5: Trump administration they had promoted this, and so I believe 80 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 5: that the former chief under Trump, Rodney Scott, was probably 81 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: they were probably researching him and CBP were researching how 82 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 5: to do this, because it would take a few at 83 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 5: least quite a few months, if not years to research 84 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 5: this and make something like this happen. But I think 85 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 5: that they abandoned that because they knew that that's just 86 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: not going to fly federally. But although why wouldn't it. 87 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 5: I mean, all deterrence policies are based on this kind 88 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 5: of cruelty, So I guess visually they thought it would 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 5: be too much. But since since Rodney Scott is no 90 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 5: longer the chief of the Border Patrol and he resigned, 91 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 5: he's been working with the State of Texas and specifically 92 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 5: with Governor Greg Abbot to develop new policies and so forth. 93 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 5: And he's been down there helping the union and helping 94 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 5: other ex Border Patrol agents come up with new policies 95 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 5: and new. 96 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: Cruelties for Greg Abbott to install. 97 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: So I think originally the idea was a federal idea, 98 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 5: and now it's come down to the State of Texas. 99 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: Okay, So I guess what how far along is the 100 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: State of Texas in? Like I know, before Trump built 101 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: his border war, we had these little thirty foot prototypes 102 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: in San Diego. He gave a lot of contracts people 103 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: who'd given him a lot of money in his election campaign. 104 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: Uh was Wheatland Tube I think is a big one 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: and mixed deal. But how far is the State of 106 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: Texas along in its plan to create a floating murder barrier. 107 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 4: The booy barrier border barrier is already created and it's 108 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: available in various links. And I should add in addition 109 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: to the booys in between the booys are spinning radial blades. 110 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 4: So you yeah, it just I mean, every aspect of 111 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: this I can I miss. That is a bloody nightmare. 112 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 113 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 4: I went to the manufacturer site and it addresses this too, 114 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 4: So you can't even get to like the middle of 115 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: the buoy with uh you know something and cut the 116 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 4: string of booiz because they are these radial razor blades too. 117 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: So the state will be deploying it in thousand foot strips. 118 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: And Jin and I did a little podcast on this, 119 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 4: I don't know a couple of months ago when we 120 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: first saw these signs appearing on the river and they 121 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: were super strange. It was Memorial Day weekend, I believe, 122 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: and they were numbered and they said like RGV for 123 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 4: Rio Grand Valley RGV one ninety one, one ninety three. 124 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: We thought, are these mile markers like we have on 125 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 4: the freeway, But they weren't at any particular distance, and 126 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: they were put at various spots that appeared as though 127 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: they could be areas where migrants crossed. They can also 128 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: be the paths where the cows and the horses come 129 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: down to drink. Jen's been on the river with us. 130 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: She's observed that at various platforms on the river where 131 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: water pump stations are for farmers and irrigation districts and such. 132 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: So we saw these signs. The RGV one ninety one 133 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: is facing the river facing Mexico. The backside of it 134 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 4: is a caution danger risk of drowning sign in English 135 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: and in Spanish, but it is facing the United States, 136 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 4: on the bank of the Rio Grande River in the 137 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: United States, so it's in no way a caution to 138 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 4: anyone who might be approaching the river. And we thought, 139 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 4: why are they suddenly putting up these signs, because you know, 140 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 4: forever people have been crossing the river, and Border patrol 141 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 4: is on the boats there, Texas DPS, the Coast Guard, 142 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: the US Coast Guard now Game Wardens now Florida Highway 143 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 4: Patrol and Florida Fishing Game and all these. I mean, 144 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: it is everybody's floating the river now, not for recreation, 145 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:27,239 Speaker 4: but hunting migrants, and so then we thought, well, maybe 146 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: these are so that when these out of state interlopers 147 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: and at times even the militia who show up to 148 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: help them, could easily communicate with the authorities, say I'm 149 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 4: at marker number one ninety one or whatever. Then it 150 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: was just a few days after that that the announcement 151 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 4: of this floating border buoy barrier came up. And my 152 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 4: guess is the markers will be used to determine where 153 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: those are deployed, where they get moved, and that sort 154 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 4: of thing, so that then they can be accounted for. 155 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: Right, So are they proposing the entirety of the river 156 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: be covered by the single They're going to move segments 157 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: of it to areas where they think it's a high 158 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: traffic area. 159 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 4: They're going to begin an Eagle Pass where four people 160 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: drown just this weekend. But then, according to Steve McGraw, 161 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 4: who's head of Texas DPS, it sounds like they will 162 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: be putting them all along the river in areas they 163 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 4: believe are high traffic. 164 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, and Jesus Christ, it is the dock 165 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: se and yeah, Eagle Pass is where all those people 166 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: died in the in the annac conditioned trailer like I 167 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: think two years ago, right was that Eagle Pass. 168 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 4: Those kind of trailer horror have happened near US and 169 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 4: fel furious in San Antonio. Unfortunately, they happen throughout the 170 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: border region. And there are so many ports of entry 171 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 4: land ports of entry along the Texas Mexico border because 172 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: Texas is I mean, Mexico is our number one trading 173 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: partner with the US, and we have NAFTA, which established 174 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 4: the North American Free Trade Zone. So if you have 175 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: a television or a refrigerator, or you drive a car 176 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: in the United States today, chances are those pieces and 177 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: parts are manufactured in Mexico in the Free trade Zone 178 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 4: and then they get brought over by Trump. Same thing 179 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 4: with so much of our produce. So the amount of 180 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: that trailer traffic is enormous, and those trailers are used 181 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 4: for human smuggling at much higher numbers, we should note 182 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 4: than the river area. Same as for narcotics trafficking. Those 183 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 4: things are coming across by the truck load and in 184 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: shipping vessels, not in small bundles across the Rio Grand River. 185 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think most I think most narcotics center 186 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: the country through ports of entry red than between ports 187 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: of entry against nodings. 188 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, yeah. 189 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, especially the narcotics that are very expensive. Even 190 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 5: when I was an agent in the mid nineties, I 191 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 5: used to say, why do we only get marijuana and 192 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 5: and the agents would say, well, because cocaine's too expensive 193 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 5: to put on somebody's back and hike it through the mountains, Yeah, 194 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 5: across the river or in the desert. So it's just 195 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 5: easier to buy off a CBP agent or a Border 196 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 5: patrol agent and just get waved on through. 197 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not like dumb otherwise, Like these these are 198 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: huge money businesses. You're not throwing a half a million 199 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: dollars of cocaine on some guy's back, yeah, right. 200 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: And risking it floating away. 201 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this valuable merchandise. Like there are no like, no 202 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: more cavalier with it than like target is you know, like. 203 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the obviously this is part of a sort of 204 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: larger I don't know. Abbott does a lot of posturing 205 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: on the border, right, and that posture has real consequences 206 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: for migrants, and it has real consequences for people living 207 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 2: on both sides of the border as well, right, especially 208 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: I think people our previous coverage that will be very 209 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: well aware of that. Perhaps we could sort of characterize 210 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: this within the context of Operation Loan Star, within the 211 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: other Like you've said, right, the other deployments. It's not 212 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: just even Texas National Guard who are now deployed to 213 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: the border. So could you give us like an overview 214 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: of all the ridiculous lapping that's been done. 215 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: Well, there are twelve or thirteen states to date that 216 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 4: have sent prison guards, their national Guard, fishing game or 217 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: wildlife officers, and state police to the border. And this 218 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: is related to two different campaigns basically by the Border 219 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: Patrol Union. One is Biden Border Crisis with that hashtag, 220 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: which they launched in March of twenty twenty one, and 221 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: the other is every state is a Border State, which 222 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: was a battle cry for MAGA politicians during the midterms. 223 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: And so what we see now are these red states 224 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: with you know, governors who want to capitalize on looking 225 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 4: tough on immigration sending reinforcements to the border. DeSantis obviously 226 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: was the first to do that because he's been very 227 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: vocal about envyat Abbot and how Abbot had kind of 228 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: a leg up on him in any campaign because. 229 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 6: Abbot got the border and Abbot got to, as you said, 230 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 6: posture there and be you know, the new sheriff in 231 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 6: town and you know, stepping in where. 232 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 4: Sleepy Joe is, you know, not performing. But what we 233 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: see in reality is Brandon Judd, who's the president of 234 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: the National Border Patrol Council, was stuck to Trump. You know, 235 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: they were best buddies and and you know, basically campaigning together. 236 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 4: And then Brandon jen kind of fell away from Trump 237 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: when he lost reelection and has become Greg Abbott's best 238 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 4: buddy and press junket sidekick and helped stage the launch 239 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 4: of Operation Lone Star, which you know, was like a 240 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 4: Fourth of July type parade with the tanks and the 241 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: helicopters and the planes and the boats and the you know, 242 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: the ATV agents and the horses, the whole nine yards. 243 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: And people think, I think most people in the United 244 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 4: States believe that Abbot is this renegade doing this all 245 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: on his own. And what we see is the reality 246 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: is it is a joint operation between the state government 247 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: and the federal government, but the Feds won't admit to 248 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 4: it because of the optics. It's bad enough that Biden 249 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 4: continued border wall construction, which most of his supporters opposed. 250 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: Now he is working hand in glove with Abbott. And 251 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 4: when I say our experience, what we see daily and 252 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 4: what I have documented is US Border Patrol working with 253 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 4: Texas Department of Public Safety troopers and Operation Loan Star 254 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 4: Texas National guardsmen literally riding in the same vehicles together, 255 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: responding to scenes, patrolling together. And at the Butterfly Center, 256 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 4: we had National Guard Texas National Guard parked on the 257 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: levee at our property, blocking our access back and forth. 258 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 4: And I went and said, hey, guys, you know this 259 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 4: is our property and we have to have access to 260 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: it during regular business hours for you know, my staff 261 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: who are working here and our members and visitors who 262 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 4: come to explore and enjoy. So I need you all 263 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: to move. I need you to move your humbyes so 264 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 4: we can get back and forth. And I recorded this 265 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 4: interaction as I do all and they said, ma'am, we 266 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 4: don't take our orders from you. We take our orders 267 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: from Border Patrol. And that was a revelation to me 268 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 4: when this happened a couple of years ago. So I 269 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 4: actually got on the phone with the patrol agent in charge, 270 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: the highest ranking Border Patrol agent at the McCallen station, 271 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: and I said, his name is Tony Crane. I said, Tony, 272 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 4: you need to come out here and tell these guys 273 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: to move. They're saying they'll only do it for you, 274 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: and they only take orders from you. And Tony drove 275 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 4: out there to the Butterfly Center, to the levee and 276 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 4: instructed the National Guard to move their vehicle and they did. 277 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: And this is something we've seen over and over. And 278 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 4: I now have in email commander or Regional director rather 279 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 4: of Texas DPS, Victor Escalon, who the rest of the 280 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 4: nation may know from the Uvaldi tragedy. I have email 281 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 4: from him where he is invoking the federal statute that 282 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 4: DPS claims gives them the authority to ignore our Fourth 283 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 4: Amendment rights and enter private property without warrant as long 284 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 4: as they're working with Warner Patrol, and they are claiming 285 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 4: that they are doing so at the request of the 286 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 4: United States Attorney General according to the federal. 287 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: Statute am importantly the federal government in any of its 288 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: aspects in saying no, this isn't true, or like they're 289 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: working get like you say, hand in hand with these 290 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: and like it's not even just a joint federal and 291 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: state operation. Like I know, I think it was South 292 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: Dakota's deployment. Was it that was funded by a wealthy individual? 293 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: Like the state didn't pay for it. I can't remember 294 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: which Dakota it was, but yeah, it was funded by 295 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: a wealthy donor who paid for it. 296 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 5: Yeah. 297 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 4: So whichever state CHRISTI Noem is in charge of, Yes, 298 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 4: and I believe that also happened in Kentucky or Tennessee. 299 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 4: Same thing. It was a wealthy donor who funded their 300 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: state National Guard deployment. 301 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then perhaps Jen, you could explain to people 302 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: why it is so different if they believe they have 303 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: these within one hundred miles the border, and then again 304 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: within twenty five miles of the border, so many of 305 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: your fundamental rights don't apply. Could you explain how that works? 306 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: And then how then if the National Guard see themselves 307 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: is also having the ability to sort of wave the 308 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: with amendment, what that would mean for the privacy of 309 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: people living along the border. 310 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 5: In the United States Border Patrol Academy, So I went 311 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 5: through the academy I started in June of nineteen ninety five, 312 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: so I can at least testify to that. They basically, 313 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 5: you know, I had a four year in law, so 314 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 5: I knew a little basics about it, and then going 315 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 5: to the academy, it was really kind of sad because 316 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 5: they don't really teach you much of anything. They're just like, 317 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: you know, your their rights are limited. We're allowed within 318 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 5: twenty five miles of the border by the law to 319 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 5: go on anybody's private property and even search their buildings, 320 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 5: as long as it's not a domicile, and that can 321 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 5: sometimes be in question whether it's being used as a 322 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 5: domicile or we consider it as a domicile, And then 323 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: within one hundred miles of any land or sea border, 324 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 5: which encompasses two thirds of the United States population, we 325 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 5: can basically stop you and ask you to prove that 326 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 5: you're a United States citizen. And so then they increase 327 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: that with checkpoints that are a little ways away from 328 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 5: the border, where they under the guise of asking for 329 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 5: your citizenship. They then get to police American citizens or 330 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 5: legal residents. And as the years have progressed, Border patrol 331 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 5: keeps trying to push those authorities. 332 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 3: In the beginning, you know. 333 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 5: We weren't allowed to work with local PD, the local sheriffs. 334 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 5: There was a very clear separation, a very clear line 335 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 5: between Border Patrol and local cops, or at least legally 336 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 5: on written paper, there were supposed to be. And after 337 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 5: nine to eleven, what we end up seeing is the 338 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 5: Border Patrol decides to get very heavily invested into surveillance. 339 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 5: And it's not a coincidence. Former Chief Rodney Scott was 340 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 5: in charge of that during that time, and his basic 341 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 5: statement was, you know, if a car is bombed in Iraq, 342 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 5: the Border Patrol needs to know about it. So they 343 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 5: considered anything in the world to be important to the 344 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 5: Border Patrol, and they wanted the Border Patrol to be 345 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 5: the go to agency and as far as surveillance. So 346 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 5: that's why you see them being used in Black Lives 347 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 5: Matter protests and things like this, and we saw them 348 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 5: a lot in the Trump administration where they were supposedly 349 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 5: guarding federal buildings and then went and attacked them. So 350 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 5: what you see is the Border Patrol trying to quietly 351 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 5: eke into what is typically considered peace officer authority. So 352 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 5: they're trying to get peace officer authority in Texas through 353 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 5: the state legislature, and they just keep trying to expand 354 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: their authority more and more. What I see in Texas specifically, 355 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 5: is when you look at the history of immigration when 356 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: the United States, when we first you know, when Texas 357 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 5: first came a state, and all this other stuff. Originally 358 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 5: the states did their own immigration patrolling, and so if 359 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 5: you went and you just decided you're going to somehow 360 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 5: you landed on the coast in Georgia, then you would 361 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 5: have to go to a Georgian official and pay whatever 362 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 5: it is that they required of you and stuff. And 363 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 5: so what I see more and more is like Texas 364 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 5: is taken back that authority and saying we're the ones 365 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 5: that are going to say this, and so then they 366 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 5: can make money off of the deterrence policies and all 367 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 5: of this other stuff. So it's just a constant expansion 368 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 5: of the rights of the cops, while at the same 369 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 5: time constantly reducing the rights to the people who live 370 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 5: here and even the people that cross here. A lot 371 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 5: of people think, they'll say, you know that migrants don't 372 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 5: have any constitutional rights. 373 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: Well that's not true. 374 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 5: They have constitutional rights because it says people in the 375 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 5: US Constitution. 376 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 3: It doesn't say citizens. 377 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 5: So in certain areas it will say citizens, and then 378 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 5: that is exclusive to United States citizens, but they're you know, 379 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 5: the basic rights are afforded to even migrants. But because 380 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 5: the migrants don't have much of a voice, the border 381 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 5: patrol gets away with with everything. Secret teams, cover up teams, 382 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 5: and all this other stuff. Border patrol agents will just 383 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 5: flat out tell you constitution doesn't exist down here, and 384 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 5: they never get in trouble for it. 385 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 4: So yeah, one of one of the things Jen just 386 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 4: touched on is Texas DPS getting in on this immigration business. 387 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 4: Is when Governor Abbott declared that Operation Loan Star would 388 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 4: be targeting Hispanic males and in some places they talk 389 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 4: about of fighting age. So they're already depicting all of 390 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 4: these individuals as like olders in some invasion in a 391 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 4: gang war, and you know that they're again hostile combatants 392 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: to the United States. But they were going to charge 393 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 4: them all with criminal trespass. So we hear a lot 394 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 4: about how awful the cartel is and how much money 395 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 4: they take from migrants and then hold them for ransom, 396 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 4: and how expensive it is to get across. Well, once 397 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 4: they get across the state of Texas becomes the cartel. 398 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 4: They arrest them, charge them with criminal trespass, put them 399 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: in the county jail. It's a five thousand dollars fine. 400 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: Then when they're released from state custody, they're immediately handed 401 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: over to federal detention, and that is generally the for 402 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 4: profit GEO group or cor civic. And there my understanding 403 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 4: is fines for attention can be ten thousand to twelve 404 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 4: thousand dollars for your federal detention. And so here we 405 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 4: have it used to be just the for a profit 406 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: federal detention facilities cashing in on our criminal immigration policies, 407 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 4: and Governor Rabbit's like, hey, why aren't we getting a 408 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 4: piece of the pie? So that is what Operation Loan 409 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 4: Star is really about. It's not about public safety. It's 410 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 4: not that all this fentanyl is coming across the Rio 411 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 4: Grande River being smuggled by migrants. It's about chi ching 412 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 4: chi ching, Chi ching chi ching, putting all of them 413 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: in to the county jail at five thousand dollars ahead. 414 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's all the while, right, like he's that, 415 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 2: I know. So the Texas National Guard people aren't getting 416 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: the benefits they would normally get if they'd been mobilized 417 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: or deployed because it's a state deployment, not a federal deployment. 418 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: And like as much as Abbott and DeSantis try and paint, 419 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: the border is a dangerous place full of like I know, 420 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 2: like drug warlords and cartel violence. And overwhelmingly the people 421 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: in that in Lone Star who have died have died 422 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: because they got drunk and drove because they had an 423 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: accident with a personally owned firearm. Because Texas law doesn't 424 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 2: allow them to stop the National Guard bringing their own weapons. 425 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: They're they're not getting into gunfights with zacarios, right, Like, 426 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: it's not it's not any any anything like that. It's 427 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: the standard problem of taking a bunch of men away 428 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: from the place they normally live and making them do 429 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: mine numbing duty. 430 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're they're doing mine numbing duty in you know, 431 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 4: exasperating heat. It's boring as hell. We see them asleep 432 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 4: in vehicles, watching Netflix, doing other things. When National Guard 433 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 4: totaled their Enterprise rental truck on the gate at the 434 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: National Butterfly Center, what we found were bud light cans 435 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 4: on the ground, which we can only assume bounced out 436 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: of the truck bed when that truck made impact. And 437 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 4: was destroyed. The local police will not release any public 438 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 4: information related to calls and reports that they have to 439 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 4: take of drunken disorderly conduct, noise complaints, property damage, sexual assault, 440 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 4: all of these things happening at the hotels where National 441 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 4: Guard is staying. But we know from visitors and from 442 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 4: property managers and others that this is happening regularly because yeah, 443 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 4: they don't so good leadership and it's it's frankly, it's 444 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 4: like really young kids that are down there. 445 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: And the other thing. 446 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 5: That we need to say too is that the National 447 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 5: Guard that's being posted there, the young National Guard kids 448 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 5: are seeing increase rates of suicide. And that's that's something 449 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 5: that's particular to Border Patrol agents because when you're an 450 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 5: oppressor and you do that cut of work, then you're 451 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 5: going to end up your The suicide rates go through 452 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 5: the roofs as they are with the Border Patrol, and 453 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 5: now you're seeing that with the National Guard. But Marianna's right, 454 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 5: there's a lot, there's a lot of stuff that they're 455 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 5: suppressing about what these National Guard kids are getting into 456 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 5: because they're bored down there. So they're sitting down there 457 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 5: in Texas drinking and opening it up and getting in trouble. 458 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 5: But it's all kind of hush hush quiet about that. 459 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, not only are they bored, but these are, like 460 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 4: you said, eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one year olds getting 461 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: paid six thousand dollars a month, like they have never 462 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: had this kind of cash before, and what are they 463 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 4: going to do with it? They're going to go buy 464 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 4: guns at our local pawn shop. 465 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: They pay the National Guard that will, that's. 466 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: What they're being paid. And initially their taxes were not 467 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 4: being withheld or anything. So employment, yeah, that was a 468 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 4: whole nother issue. And then for a while they were 469 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: trying to unionize because they were not getting the benefits 470 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 4: of a regular deployment. And the ones who were working 471 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 4: in law enforcement already as police officers, firefighters, paramedics and such, 472 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 4: they also, while they're on deployment, do not accrue their 473 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 4: hours toward their pensions. They're taking another hit for that. 474 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 4: And so these were all things that I guess the 475 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 4: state didn't really think through when they called all these 476 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 4: people up and forced them to come sit on the 477 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 4: border and do mind numbing work. 478 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: For the most part, No, it's just a it's a 479 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: terrible idea like comprehensive. It's one of those things if 480 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: you if you spent any time studying the surge in 481 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: Iraq and kind of the later part of the Bush 482 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: Ears and some of the shit that happened when they 483 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: just grabbed a bunch of National Guard guys and through 484 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: the like, it's a lot of the same shit. It's 485 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: people who were like finding ways to get alcohol and drugs, 486 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: who were crashing cars, who were because like, yeah, you were. 487 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: It's just this is this is an inevitable consequence, which 488 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: is why you shouldn't do something like this unless there's 489 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: like a dire reason to need to bring the National 490 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: Guard into a situation like a natural disaster. 491 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead. 492 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 4: I would I would say that they all need house mothers. 493 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 4: I mean, like fraternities have and stuff, because every time 494 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 4: I run into one of these young men and they 495 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 4: start to like look at me or open their mouth 496 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 4: a certain way, I just want to grab them by 497 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 4: the ear and be like, oh, you know, junior, I'm 498 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 4: gonna spank you. 499 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 5: You know. 500 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 4: My first snapper. 501 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah you are nineteen. You should not be in this 502 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: position right now. 503 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, get out of here. 504 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, We'll take your gun. From you too. 505 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we spoke to a few of them at 506 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: a grub At and I when we were down there, 507 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: and one of them was just saying he's trying to 508 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: get some money for college, and yeah, I don't think 509 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: they're recring those benefits because if they're under state order 510 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: to say it, they didn't get it. So Greg Abbat's 511 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: kind of screwing everyone apart from himself and his little friends. 512 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: I guess maybe to finish up, I know that one. 513 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: I think the only case like I can come across 514 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: of this happening of someone dying or trying to rescue 515 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: migrants was a National Guard soldier who tried to rescue 516 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: some people from the river and drowned from what I understand, 517 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 2: and like, obviously this drowning barrier is going to if 518 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: Border patroller even invested in investing in getting people from 519 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: the river, which they might not be if they're from 520 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: the from the Mexican side, if they're still on the 521 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: Mexican side of the border, right in theory, would put 522 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: those people in those like National Guard and Border patrol 523 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 2: agents in danger to So what have Border Patrol to 524 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 2: say about the floating barrier so far? 525 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 5: They haven't said anything about it so far, and there 526 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 5: have been a few Border Patrol agents who've lost their 527 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 5: lives jumping into the room as well. There have been 528 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 5: other migrants who have lost their lives trying to save 529 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 5: their children and so forth. Migrants die every day in 530 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 5: that river, and the Border Patrol is just going to 531 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 5: stay quiet about it because they like it's it's their management. 532 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 3: He's going along with it. 533 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 5: And if they didn't like and if the bid administration 534 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 5: didn't like it, then they would come out and say so, 535 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 5: or they would come out and have Chief Gloria Chabez 536 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 5: come out and say no, we're not going to have this. 537 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: This is going to kill people. 538 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 5: This is not right, you know on our first blah 539 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 5: blah blah, which we all know it's bullshit. 540 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 3: But the truth is is they really don't care. They 541 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 3: just don't care. 542 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 5: And as they say in the Border Patrol, and we 543 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 5: learn and you all learned. I knew it, but you 544 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 5: all learn from the ten to fifteen group on Facebook 545 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 5: they call them floaters and take pictures of them and 546 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 5: make fun of it. So the Border Patrol could care less. 547 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 3: It's just one less migrant. They got a process. 548 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 4: Well, and you know, as Jim said, if US Border 549 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 4: Patrol was opposed to this new border barrier, they would 550 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 4: say something, well, I think it's even worse than that. 551 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 4: In twenty eighteen, Trump got border wall funding, and as 552 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 4: you mentioned, he had his you know, Commando Climb, all 553 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 4: these border wall prototypes in the desert and all of that. 554 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen he got his second trunch of border 555 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 4: wall funding, but twenty twenty and twenty twenty one were 556 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 4: continuing resolutions, so he was getting border wall funding after that, 557 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 4: but it was always for existing approved designs, and those 558 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 4: are the concrete with the steel ballards. So for even 559 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 4: though Trump floated the idea of this Wui border barrier, 560 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 4: this floating border wall, to get congressional approval or US 561 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,959 Speaker 4: Army Corps of Engineer approval for such a thing would 562 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 4: have been an issue. Also there's the issue of the 563 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 4: International Boundary and Water Commission Treaty, which is a bi 564 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 4: national treaty with Mexico that governs the Rio Grande River, 565 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 4: the water that flows in it, the boundaries, who gets 566 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 4: to take how much water from it, things that are 567 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 4: built and might affect the flow of the river. As 568 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 4: Jen mentioned, the International Boundary is the middle of the river, 569 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: no matter where the river is flowing now, because over 570 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 4: millions of years it has shifted. The channel has shifted many, 571 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 4: many times and greatly. So we know the FEDS probably 572 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 4: border patrol with the Trump administration. So DHS wanted this 573 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 4: floating border wall. The easiest way for them to get 574 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 4: it is to have Governor Abbott do it. In two 575 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 4: thousand and five, the Real Id Act, in that act 576 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 4: of legislation, Congress gave the Secretary of Homeland Security the 577 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 4: authority to waive every law, local, state, federal for border barrier. 578 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 4: So it doesn't say border wall, it's as border barrier. 579 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 4: So presumably this buoy border barrier would also be covered, 580 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 4: so the FEDS don't have to worry about something like 581 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 4: the National Environmental Policy Act or the Endangered Species Act 582 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 4: or the Rivers and Harbors Act in deploying this. But 583 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 4: they do not have authority to waive treaties or the Constitution. 584 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 4: So since at least two thousand and five, the federal 585 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 4: government has been trying to devise ways to effectively waive 586 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 4: the IBWC Treaty. One of the ways in which they 587 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 4: have done that is with the we build the wall 588 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 4: campaign which built you know, they built border barrier on 589 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 4: the international boundary line in Sunland Park, New Mexico, and 590 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 4: in Mission, Texas, and the US government settled with them, 591 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 4: allowing this illegal structure to stand in violation of the 592 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 4: treaty in spite of Mexico's objections, thereby setting a legal precedent, 593 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,439 Speaker 4: effectively waiving the treaty. But now Abbott can do this, 594 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 4: and who's going to sue him? The IBWC isn't going 595 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 4: to do a damn thing because they have no authority 596 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 4: to sue on their own. They have to go to 597 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 4: the federal government and ask the Department of Justice to 598 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 4: sue on their behalf. And it's the Department of Justice 599 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 4: that has already settled with Fisher Industries for the we 600 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 4: build the wall fraud fence in violation of the treaty. 601 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 4: The other issue is Texas doesn't have to abide by 602 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 4: NEPA or any equivalent law. And we know that the 603 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 4: FEDS have in the past devised really nasty reach arounds 604 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 4: for the law where if they get busted doing something 605 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 4: illegal like having Customs and Border Protection spray, imas appear 606 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 4: a broad spectrum herbicide that is a known carcinogen all 607 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 4: over people, animals, and plants on the border, they get 608 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 4: sued and made to stop that, they'll simply pass the 609 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 4: money through to the state of Texas and ask them 610 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 4: to continue it. And I think this floating buoy border 611 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 4: barrier is exactly that kind of thing. The Biden administration 612 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 4: can say, we're not doing it, and they don't have 613 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 4: to get approval for this design, and they'll just find 614 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 4: a way to either pass the money through to Texas 615 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 4: or allow Texas to continue to basically fundraise for it 616 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 4: by prosecuting immigrants for criminal trespass and finding them to 617 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 4: get out of county jail. 618 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that is doc. 619 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 5: I think it's interesting to point out though that when 620 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 5: Governor do See of Arizona put up his train car thing, yeah, Biden, 621 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 5: the Biden administration did get involved with that. 622 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 3: They and they were upset about that. 623 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 5: So far, we haven't seen anything about this, and so 624 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 5: we'll see if they deploy it and the Biden administration 625 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 5: stays quiet about it. Yeah. 626 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 2: I mean, we're closing in on like November twenty twenty four, 627 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 2: and I think Biden really is very sensitive about being 628 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 2: seen as quote unquote weak on the border, and like 629 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: given the absolute disaster it was the end of Title 630 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 2: forty two and the way they handled that, and yeah, 631 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: they didn't really say anything when border patrol with clearly 632 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 2: holding people in conditions that are in violation of their 633 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 2: own detention standards. Like I don't have high hopes for 634 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 2: the Biden administration. 635 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's interesting because you would think, like the 636 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 5: whole thing from the Union and everybody that is pro 637 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 5: border patrol an anti immigrant was like, if you in 638 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,240 Speaker 5: Title forty two, then then it's just going to overwhelm 639 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 5: the border patrol and more people will come. And we 640 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 5: kept saying for a year like no, that's not going 641 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 5: to happen. It's going to be drastically cut. And so 642 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 5: it's drastically cut. And you would think the Bide administration would. 643 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: Be like look what I did. Yeah, yeah, but they're not. 644 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 5: I mean like like they have no clue how to 645 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 5: talk about the border and what to do on the border. 646 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 3: It's sad. 647 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 4: Well, it's this double edged sword of get in line, 648 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 4: do it the legal way. So the people who say 649 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 4: we're not anti immigrant, we just want them to do 650 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,760 Speaker 4: it the legal way and get in line. So title 651 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 4: forty two ends we've got the CBP one app which 652 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 4: gives them an appointment so they can stand in line 653 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 4: to cross at a legal point of port of entry 654 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 4: and do it legally. And now they've got to find 655 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 4: a way to thwart that and to mess it up. 656 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,399 Speaker 4: And Biden, as you said, is not saying, look at 657 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 4: what we did. We've got everybody standing in line doing 658 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 4: it the legal way. 659 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they don't want to look at CBP 660 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: one too, given what a disaster it's been and how 661 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 2: biased it's been and how bad it continues to be. 662 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 3: For sure. 663 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 2: For sure, they've failed to offer any other options. And yeah, 664 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't really have any hope that things will not 665 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 2: just get worse. There seems to be a bipods and 666 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 2: consensus that it's okay to kill lots of people trying 667 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: to come to our country for help, because it's bad 668 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 2: if folks need mean to you. 669 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 4: Jen has been very vocal and produced lots and lots 670 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 4: of research and documentation on how our deterrence policies are 671 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 4: designed to kill and they're not a whole lot of 672 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 4: people using the G word. But Jen has been courageous 673 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 4: enough to do it. I was recently told by my 674 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 4: employer that I could not use it, and I think 675 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 4: it's a horror but Jen can speak to it. 676 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 3: We have to do a whole other episode. 677 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should be. We're definitely going to 678 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 2: keep covering this because it's one of the things that 679 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 2: just disappears from a lot of national media in between 680 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 2: election cycles or in between. 681 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: Well and unfortunately it's one of the things where kind 682 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: of the numbers are heading in the wrong direction nationwide 683 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: because like the border, Like the right is winning on 684 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: border stuff right now, the right is winning on immigration. Like, 685 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: there's some pretty dark polling likes as much as you know, 686 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: some of the last couple of elections have been positive 687 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: in terms of the pitiful performance of like kind of 688 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 1: maga Republicans. Like if you if you look at kind 689 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: of how Americans are polling on border issues and immigration issues, 690 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty bleak at the moment. And I don't really, 691 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has a great clear clue as 692 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,439 Speaker 1: to like how to reverse that at the moment, which 693 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: isn't to say that it can't be reversed, it's just, uh, 694 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: it's it's it's difficult. 695 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 5: Well, it's difficult, especially when the Democrats are always ceding 696 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 5: the argument to the Republicans like they're afraid to make 697 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 5: the argument that a robust, in humane asylum system that 698 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 5: can inspect the people requesting asylum is a national security 699 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 5: issue and you need one. You can't just not have 700 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 5: a NASH. You can't have an asylum not have an 701 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 5: asylum system. You have to have It's an essential part 702 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 5: to the national security infrastructure. So people that argue that 703 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 5: we shouldn't have an asylum system because it's a threat 704 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 5: to national security are completely ignorant about what they're talking about, 705 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 5: and so they have to start framing it as as 706 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 5: a national security issue, you know, one where we can 707 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 5: have people come and be inspected and so forth, and 708 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 5: then the people who are the nefarious people, Yeah, they're 709 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 5: going to go in between the ports of entry. Fine, 710 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 5: arrest those people, but let's have a humane system otherwise. 711 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 4: It's also fundamental to the success of our economy, and 712 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 4: with you know, the US birth rate is declining and 713 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 4: without a robust, safe, timely immigration system, ideally one that 714 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 4: allows people to go back and forth. Because what I 715 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 4: hear from people here is I miss my country. I 716 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 4: want to return to my I want to come here 717 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 4: to see my family, to work for a season or 718 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 4: for a spell, to send money home, but then I 719 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 4: want to be able to return, and our current system 720 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 4: it's too deadly to allow them to make it through 721 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 4: and then go back and attempt to do that a 722 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 4: second time. Another issue related to the narrative and read 723 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 4: winning on immigration is we found at the Butterfly Center 724 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 4: that when Biden continued building border wall, and we said, 725 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you know this is what's happening, and 726 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 4: we posted photos and video and everything of it, people 727 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 4: who had supported US, Democrats, liberals with a capital L, 728 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 4: who had supported US said, you're lying, or that's just 729 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 4: they're continuing trumps they had to. And then when we 730 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:12,800 Speaker 4: contradicted every one of those arguments with facts, then they said, oh, well, 731 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 4: if Biden's doing it, then there must be a good reason. 732 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 4: And you know, the US can't accept everybody. And you know, 733 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:29,359 Speaker 4: you get this walking back of all of the the 734 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 4: things that they were saying when Trump was president, about 735 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 4: being humane, about needing an effective system, about creative solutions 736 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 4: and all of this, and now it's suddenly, well, you know, 737 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 4: we can't let everybody in and and so I have 738 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 4: honestly found and I'm going to take a lot of 739 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 4: hit flat for this, but there's basically no difference between 740 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 4: a moderate Republican and a liberal capital l. 741 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it cly seems that way. Certainly, Uh, Trump had 742 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 2: months of tible forty two, Biden had years of it. 743 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, certainly, I mean it's it's I think 744 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: pretty much impossible to argue with that, at least on 745 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 1: the on a broad scale, like if you're just kind 746 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: of like looking at at national trends. Uh, there's there's 747 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 1: ample support for that argument. 748 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Biden, I mean Obama deported more people than anyone absolutely, Yeah, 749 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,840 Speaker 2: massive number. 750 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well cool, yeah yeah. 751 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 6: Yeah. 752 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 2: Where can people find out more terrible stuff about the border? 753 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 2: Is there in podcast they can listen to. 754 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 5: We do have a podcast, Border Patrol Watch. Marianna and 755 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 5: I have kind of started it just to talk about 756 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 5: a lot of these issues that we feel are being 757 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 5: left out. And it's on YouTube. We also have a 758 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,240 Speaker 5: TikTok account in Twitter for the moment. 759 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,720 Speaker 3: We'll see how that goes. 760 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 5: And Facebook and Instagram, and there is Border patrol watch 761 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 5: dot com. Yeah, and that list there's a page on 762 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 5: there for all the agents arrested for rape and pedophilia. 763 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 5: There's a corruption page. There's a page on how they 764 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 5: try and indoctrinate the youth down here on the borderlands 765 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 5: and so forth. So yeah, I'm all about that jazz. 766 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hashtag on a first And so where could 767 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 2: people it's all borderpar watch. How about you two? Do 768 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 2: you guys have individual accounts? Where can they find you? 769 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 4: Jen is doing most of this, and I believe it's 770 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 4: under the Border Patrol Watch banner. Yeah, because you know, 771 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:52,839 Speaker 4: both of us found ourselves targeted or throttled or being 772 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,759 Speaker 4: you know, really suppressed by Twitter and Facebook. 773 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,439 Speaker 3: And lost my forty thousand followers. Yeah, oh wow. 774 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:05,359 Speaker 5: Yeah. 775 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 2: But bottom chart, which is great. You had a great 776 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 2: thread on agents who have facing charges for sexual assault, 777 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 2: and that's a very small minority of agents who have 778 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 2: done sexual assaults certainly, but yeah, there's some really good 779 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 2: information for people on there. 780 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, those are just the ones who are being prosecuted 781 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 4: or have been convicted. Yeah, exactly. 782 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, most of them sadly have not, and even the 783 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 2: ones who have, it took too long and it was 784 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,959 Speaker 2: far too convoluted. We can yeah, we can talk again 785 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 2: on that happy topic another day, But thank you so 786 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,319 Speaker 2: much for giving us some of your afternoon guys. We 787 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 2: really appreciate it. 788 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,360 Speaker 4: Thank thank you guys for all you do and forgetting 789 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 4: the word out. 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