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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and uh, well it's a beautiful Monday

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Speaker 2: here in Pittsburgh. Yeah, the sun is shining, the skies

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Speaker 2: are clear, the snow is mostly melted. And we're back

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Speaker 2: on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, back at a normal schedule here. We're back where,

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Speaker 3: back where we belong. And you know, but we did

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Speaker 3: do shows all last week. Somebody asked me on Twitter

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Speaker 3: last week, hey, one of the shows. I'm like, we've

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Speaker 3: been doing shows. I think the YouTube stuff's gotten so

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Speaker 3: popular that people forget this was a podcast first, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right here. Yeah, but there's other ways to listen

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if you missed our coverage last week from

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Speaker 2: the from the Senior Bowl, it was available out there.

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Speaker 2: You can go out and find it.

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Speaker 3: The most of it still holds up. When we broke

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Speaker 3: down players a lot that were down there, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had some interesting interviews and all that fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: But anyways, the news of the day today, in addition

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Speaker 2: to the teams arriving in New Orleans for the.

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl officially super Bowl Week.

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Speaker 2: Officially super Bowl Week. Uh, Miles Garrett once out of Cleveland. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I haven't done a ton of homework on it. I

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Speaker 3: know that the dead cap money. You mentioned this off

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Speaker 3: the air, so I'm stealing from you. But the dead

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Speaker 3: cap money is brutal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And obviously they have the Watson contract, which is the

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Speaker 3: biggest Albertra sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know the numbers.

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Speaker 2: They it would cost them thirty six million dollars against

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Speaker 2: their cap. You have a dead capture or in charge

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Speaker 2: of thirty six million dollars to trade him before the draft,

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Speaker 2: Okay for a team that's already over the salary if

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Speaker 2: they're a mess al righty. The only way they could

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Speaker 2: make that possibly work is if somebody said, Okay, we'll

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Speaker 2: take Miles Garrett off your hands, and we'll also take

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Speaker 2: on the Shop. We'll also take on de Sean Watson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I had a long conversation about this earlier. You

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Speaker 3: know that maybe the Browns use this as an out

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Speaker 3: take them both.

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Speaker 2: But then you're not going to get any kind of compensation, you're.

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Speaker 3: Going to get like nothing back. Yeah, I mean that's

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Speaker 3: like a wash. I mean that that's basically the way

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Speaker 2: Worth for them. You're right, I mean it's worth to

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Speaker 2: get that contract off the books.

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Speaker 3: But like, I didn't do the homework on it. I

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Speaker 3: stole it from someone. It might even been Mike Sando

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Speaker 3: math of how much what what draft pick would be

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Speaker 3: worth taking Watson and if if you came to me

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Speaker 3: the conclusion that you give me Watson and the second

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's basically the kind of deal you have.

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Speaker 2: To pay the salary cap space unlike some of the

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Speaker 2: other sports, and we're just having a basketball colluf and

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Speaker 3: Can finago, but it definitely matters. It's not as fictional

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Speaker 3: huge deals. This Watson deals that bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing with with the Garrett situation,

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Speaker 2: money for Garrett down the road, so he has voidable

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Speaker 2: void years in twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, and

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Speaker 3: And they just keep borrowing from the Bank of Miles

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Speaker 2: Top five pick because of watching. Because of watching, I mean,

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Speaker 3: You have to be a team like the Patriots, and

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Speaker 3: Garrett doesn't want to go to a non competitor. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I assume he has a lot to say of where

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Speaker 2: Well, he has a no trade. He doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: no trade plus, so doesn't it you want out? Okay,

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Speaker 2: here you go. We're gonna send you wherever we send you,

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Speaker 2: if you did that and you took on the watching deal,

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Speaker 2: Garrett's gonna want a new deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably would wherever he goes. Right, you say it's

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Speaker 3: two years on his deal.

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Speaker 2: Here's two years on his deal. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 3: Which is wonderful as the new team.

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Speaker 2: As the new team, that's all you would owe him.

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Speaker 2: But you know he wants more. I assume he would

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Speaker 2: I mean, could a team like the Bears take him on?

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Speaker 2: the trade block, who's interested, twenty teams should call you.

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Speaker 2: I mean I absolutely believe that, and ten of them

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Speaker 3: If it's Garrett and Watson, one team might call you, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, like we just can't.

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Speaker 2: Do that, even if I mean, Cleveland still would probably

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Speaker 3: He's not Scott free and just have no cap.

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Speaker 2: But the talk out there that oh, you're you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't I agree with you. I think he's that good.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not about the player. It's about what

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Speaker 3: Not going to happen, not if they have to eat

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Speaker 2: It's just not gonna. It's it's it doesn't work. The

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Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna do that. Uh. That's why I think Miles

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Speaker 3: Have to I wonder if he's like a trade deadline

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Speaker 2: He can't hold out a training camp because he's under contract.

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Speaker 2: The fines would be ridiculedly ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It's like a hundred thousand be like the.

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Speaker 3: You can't. Could he could the Browns make a handshake

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Speaker 3: we will trade you to him after June first.

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Speaker 3: But maybe you just can't get them, you know. I

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Speaker 2: In which is why he doesn't want to be there

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Speaker 3: And I think this even makes it an easier decision,

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Speaker 2: Of the issue here. So Miles Garrett has been with

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Speaker 2: He's had sick, He's been part of six losing seasons.

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Speaker 3: Sure, right there.

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Speaker 2: They drafted him with the number one overall the worst

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Speaker 2: And that's why Miles Garrett once out.

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Speaker 3: Of Cleveland, right, which which brings me back to what

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Speaker 3: The Steelers can't. I mean, I don't think they'll go

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins it up and win nine games and save

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Speaker 2: I remember having that conversation, Oh my god, this is

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Speaker 2: well as long as David Todd has been gone. It

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Speaker 2: a great job Cleveland was doing it acquiring all these

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Speaker 3: Like here's the thing, like they had three first rounders

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Speaker 2: Some points you have to use them, like they kept

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Speaker 2: trading for for future picks, future picks, future pick at

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Speaker 2: some point you have to actually utilize those picks and

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Speaker 3: And the other problem too, like the Ravens are dealing

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Speaker 3: with Hamilton and Linderbaum we talked about last week. Can

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Speaker 3: you pick up both fifth year off rights? You know, like, no,

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Speaker 3: we can't know things like that. Yeah, So picks are great,

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Speaker 3: but culture is better, right, which brings me to the.

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Speaker 2: Idea that the Steelers do this with t J. Watt, right,

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Speaker 2: It's not apples apples, It most certainly is not. One

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Speaker 3: A the bround of one win in that time in

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Speaker 3: And bad bad losing and.

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Speaker 2: help us lose next year, right, No, no, no, no, there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not trading for Shu or Sanders.

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Speaker 2: The Las Vegas Raiders run what four games this year?

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Speaker 3: And how many years like this rookie class have six

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Speaker 2: The Raiders won four games this year, they're picking sixth.

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Speaker 2: And then when you do get that quarterback, you've got

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Speaker 3: That's saying, I don't take a quarterback this year. Browns.

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Speaker 2: It's what you did. It's what happened to Tim Couch.

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Speaker 2: And you know they've done it. You know, they did

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Speaker 3: Well, they all need help.

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Speaker 2: It's not just a quarterback. It's football. There's twenty two

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Speaker 3: I don't blame Garrett one bit for wanting out or

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Speaker 2: Get on board for another rebuild. I'll be thirty five

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Speaker 3: Get it right right, I mean exactly. And the Watson

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Speaker 3: I mean the Browns are okay, tanking, that's their philosophy.

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Speaker 3: Good for them. This team would ever do that.

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Speaker 3: You have to. I don't think he is no Sanders.

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Speaker 3: And I think there's now three contenders in the North

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Speaker 2: Welcome back guy, am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Network and Matt. The Senior Bowl now in the books,

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Speaker 3: Right basically, very little football stuff right now.

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Speaker 2: It's all you know, drills, drills and gymnastics and jumping

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Speaker 3: It's always evolving, So to say no, it hasn't changed

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Speaker 3: the mentor, and we're definitely going to draft one, you know.

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00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that you definitely draft one

441
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 3: and that doesn't hurt Wilson's cause, But how many other

442
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 3: athletes that could play the game the way Fields does

443
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 3: would be available as your number two guy. I think

444
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,640
Speaker 3: that has to be part of the equation for Fields.

445
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 3: I don't see a ton of them. I don't want

446
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 3: to roll Ridley Leonard out there in as a fifth

447
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 3: round pick or a seventh round pick and just say

448
00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 3: you're the backup. This isn't exactly what you asked, but

449
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 3: since we've been together, I would consider Darnold stronger than

450
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 3: I did a week or two ago. And if there's

451
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 3: any rumors or any truth the Matthew Stafford potentially being

452
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 3: available via trade, which I think isn't just smoke because

453
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 3: this has been going on for a while, I think

454
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 3: you at least have to make a call. Yeah, because

455
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 3: he's great, you know.

456
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm with you on all that, except it

457
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 2: does make me lean more towards Wilson. Okay, based on

458
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 2: what you just said about the availability of players in

459
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Speaker 2: this draft, in this class.

460
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Speaker 3: And thinking about taking like a third round guy, yeah

461
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 3: something like that, Okay.

462
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 2: Who have the same, similar, similar skill set to what

463
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: Fields has. If I'm gonna if I'm gonna let them, right, yeah,

464
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna rebuild my offense around fields, which you're

465
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: gonna have to do.

466
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 3: If you do that, sure, I want it to be

467
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 3: Eagles esque.

468
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right, who's that guy in this draft? Other

469
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: than mill Row? And there were Riley Leonards, right, guy

470
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 2: that doesn't move the needle for me, you know, right?

471
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be married to Milroe. No,

472
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure he's good enough to even do that.

473
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn my back on one of the best

474
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: d linemen or a receiver in round two if I

475
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 2: don't love Milroe, and if I love Milroe and want

476
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 2: to take me twenty one, so you know, the guy

477
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 2: that I get in the draft is probably going to

478
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 2: be more of a pocket passer with.

479
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 3: The ability with everyone has to move now, he'll be.

480
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 2: More of a mid career Russell Wilson. Yeah yeah, yeah,

481
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: then he will be justin fields.

482
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 3: And what's available in the draft, yes, And also what's

483
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 3: available is your number two in free agency? Right? I

484
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: don't like many of the other I mean, like Trey

485
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 3: Lance is almost like the rival Lenard conversation, you know,

486
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: like what's he done. You know how many athletes are

487
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 3: out there. But I'm curious though, and I mentioned Stafford

488
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: and that's you know, shooting pretty high. What quarterback are

489
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: available via trade that we don't might not know about.

490
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: I'm curious. I don't. I haven't explored that. Here's a

491
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: weird one. If you went fields, would you consider signing

492
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones to just run that?

493
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: No?

494
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't either, But I wanted to throw it out

495
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 3: there because I've never said those words before and just

496
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 3: wanted to see if the room the same way. I is, like,

497
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: I can't go there because they're gonna want the same

498
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 3: amount of money, and yeah, they're both gonna make real money.

499
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 3: They're not going to be you know, and.

500
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: Then you might as well. You might as well have

501
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: paid Wilson.

502
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: You think that's better. If you think that's gonna be, yeah,

503
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: at least gives you a higher floor. The part of

504
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: me says, just paid Arnold. Then you know, I don't

505
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 3: think they're going to But if that's if that's the route,

506
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: just paid Arnold and give him a little more than

507
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: both of them.

508
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm sold on that though.

509
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sold in any of it. So there's nothing

510
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 3: I've been sold on yet.

511
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 2: I mean, because you're if it's if it were going

512
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 2: to be darnold, you're gonna have to sign him to

513
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: more than like a two year deal.

514
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: I would think it's at least three that you could

515
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: get out of and all those things too.

516
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: You're married and you don't draft them, and then you don't.

517
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're trying to win today but also

518
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: with an eye on the future. That's the beauty of

519
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: it to me. But he's cap space is something you have, right,

520
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to give up cap space.

521
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: For what might happen. Then you're the Cleveland Browns. Well, no,

522
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: you would never be. Well you wouldn't be trading away

523
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: first round packs, but you'd be spending that similar time

524
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: type of money on a hope.

525
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he's a forty million guy. He's a

526
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: thirty five. I mean, he wouldn't break the bad He

527
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: might be more than.

528
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: That on the open market because there you know, more

529
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 2: teams bidding on.

530
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: It, right, But that's a bite at the apple. I mean,

531
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: it wouldn't destroy your organization. You win this year and

532
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: going forward. I don't like any of the options. To

533
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: be honest with you, I mean in terms of what

534
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: gives you the best chance to win now and five

535
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 3: years from now or three years something.

536
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: Right, here's the thing about the NFL that I think

537
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: people need to understand. There's no such thing as a

538
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: five year plan in the NFL.

539
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, year one hundred percent. Right.

540
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: The NFL is a year almost a year to year league.

541
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: I could almost look at it in two year chunks,

542
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: really because that's kind of how I think how you

543
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: have to look at it. Because you're going to turn

544
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: over forty percent of your roster every year, every single year.

545
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: That's why you see guys signing two year deals now

546
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: instead of instead of three and four year deals in

547
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: free agency.

548
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's set up that if you're smart and

549
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: you do it right, you can turn a loser into

550
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: a winner pretty quick. I mean, it doesn't mean you

551
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: can win the super Bowl after you pick first in

552
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: the draft. But we saw Washington, you know, like great offseason,

553
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 3: found a quarterback way out Houston the year before. I mean,

554
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: so that's what the league wants. They want to give

555
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: you hope, and there is hope for a lot of teams.

556
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: We saw, for example, we saw the Seattle Seahawks do

557
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: that with Russell Wilson.

558
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right.

559
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: They went from a team that was eh, they draft

560
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: him in the third round. Again, yeah, not a high

561
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: draft pick, and you know, next thing you know.

562
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: They're going to super Bowls. And Dak Prescott was a

563
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 3: fifth same thing, right right. I mean, could one of

564
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: those guys.

565
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: That they had any kind of success with them with that.

566
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: No, but they went from a bad team to a

567
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: good team. I mean that was the Zeke Elliot Tradehere

568
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: they're taking the top five in the draft, you know,

569
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: but they found a quarterback late. And again, I don't

570
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: think any of those guys are Josh Allen. But I'll

571
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: take a bite on some of those quarterbacks we saw

572
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: over the weekend. Maybe they're Dak. No one thought that

573
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: was Dak, you know. I mean you could OutKick your

574
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: coverage on those things.

575
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

576
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: I still don't have an answer. I mean, I'm not.

577
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: I guess I'm closer to an answer if I was.

578
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: They rubbed the magic lamp and said, Matt, you're in

579
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: charge of Steeler quarterback situation. Thanks a lot. I just

580
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: I don't love any of it.

581
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: To me. I just think that if you're going to

582
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: draft out of this draft, a guy out of this

583
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: particular class. I don't want to be married to having

584
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: to take Jaylen Milroe.

585
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: I understand agree there, I want more options. There was

586
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: a handful of guys I am intrigued with, you know

587
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: that are more none more than just runners, you know,

588
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: runners first. I mean yeah, they all can move. They

589
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 3: can't move. I have no interest in them, but they

590
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: they are more well rounded pocket first guys, which is fine.

591
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: You know Burrow, I mean I Burrow, it's my home.

592
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a pocket passer.

593
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: Allan's pretty good from the pocket, right yeah, right, yeah,

594
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 3: and Lamar has become a great pocket passer. Right. That

595
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 3: all has to come no matter what. I don't know.

596
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: It's still a tough conversation for sure.

597
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: Oh I'm not saying I've completely made up my mind

598
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 2: on any of this stuff, but I just think based

599
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: on what's available to me, it leans more towards that

600
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: particular outcome.

601
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I would feel, I mean, all things considered,

602
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: I'd be pretty comfortable with Wilson and Ohio State.

603
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Howard or you know, their skill sets

604
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: are more are more in tune.

605
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: And let's see what that looks like. And it's also

606
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: real easy to get out of. And if they both

607
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 3: think or a mess or get old or busts or whatever.

608
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 2: Taking Will Howard in the third or fourth round, all right,

609
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: I can get out of that.

610
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you are. But I'm also not married

611
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: to have to draft a quarterback in this class either.

612
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: No, no, not necessarily. I mean, if you don't get one,

613
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: you don't get.

614
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: If you don't get any, get one, right, I mean,

615
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: or if it's you know, a guy knows in a

616
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: quarterback in the third round.

617
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: It's Tyler Shoff in the in this in the seventh round,

618
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: all right. See, he's one of the ones that like

619
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: I like him too. I think he could be a

620
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: guy that you could could out kick your coverage on.

621
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: He just has an injury history that is going to

622
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: scare some people.

623
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 3: Were like a seventh year old guy. I don't care

624
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: what he is.

625
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: He's twenty five, Fine, that doesn't matter. That's the kind

626
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: of guy that you want to.

627
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: Draft because he's going to do well in this league.

628
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: Now, he's got plenty of experience and.

629
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: He's actually probably my favorite for where you can get him. Yeah,

630
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll be there in the seventh, but

631
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: I'd use a fourth on.

632
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so you get a guy like that, Again,

633
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: his skill set doesn't match.

634
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: Up with what You don't run the fields offense with them, No, No,

635
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: he can move, but you don't run the fields off No.

636
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: He wanted to Oregon thought he was Herbert. Yeah, you

637
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: know he wasn't. But you know that he has some

638
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: traits though. That absolutely her five star recruit. Yeah right,

639
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: I mean there's something there. I'm a fan. I like

640
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: the Indiani dude too, Ruric.

641
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's and again I like talking about a later

642
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: round guy that you know.

643
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, is older to bite at the apple. And I

644
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: know people are like, well that doesn't you know, that

645
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: doesn't solve your problem. Probably doesn't solve your problem, but

646
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: it'll we have the same conversation Friday. They're like, that's

647
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: a Mason Rudolph, Like pick, Mason Rudolph was a successful pick.

648
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: If I can use a third through fifth round pick

649
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: on a ten year backup, that's a good pick. Yeah,

650
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 3: it's like not the answer.

651
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: It's not like he's not in the league, right, right, right, right,

652
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: Like he's still in the league and will probably end

653
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: up starting some games again next.

654
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Year in the league, and the Minshews of the world

655
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: make eight to ten million. You know, like, that's if

656
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: you get a fourth round pick. That's saves the eight

657
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: million against the cap because he's a good backup for

658
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: four years. That's worth it, right, you know, even in itself,

659
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: not even if he doesn't develop, let alone if he

660
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: turns in Dak Prescott.

661
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you take it, Take that shot, and

662
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: again you're not necessarily utilizing a high draft pick, and

663
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't preclude you from using a high draft pick

664
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: next year.

665
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: That's a thing on a quarterback. Absolutely, absolutely, So I'm

666
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: open to taking one without question. I'm not married to it.

667
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: But your point about Wilson being the mentor for that

668
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: guy or and stylistically adds up, I agree with that. Yeah,

669
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: I just I don't see a lot of athletes like

670
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: athlete athletes.

671
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: No, I don't either, And the guys that are those

672
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: kind of players I don't love.

673
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: I don't love either, right, I mean, Milroe won't be cheap.

674
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: I might fall in love with him between now and April.

675
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: There's a chance, but I.

676
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: Don't know a thing worries after watching him practice all

677
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: week I don't know that I will the accuracy things.

678
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: The accuracy thing real is a problem, and the small

679
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: hands are I think. I think that is what's kind

680
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: of involved in the accuracy issues.

681
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: I think he's sort of a lesser Anthony Richardson, right.

682
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: And I don't want to deal with that.

683
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: Right, right, right? I mean I've heard something brumors that

684
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: the Colts might even consider trading. I mean, I'm not

685
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: saying I'm gonna roll Richardson and Fields out together and

686
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: be that team.

687
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: You know, but now you're just right now, you're gonna

688
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: throw for one hundred and forty yards a game and

689
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: just run, run, run.

690
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: You have to run, and you know who.

691
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: Cares what you have at wide receiver. It's a puzzle.

692
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: I think you have to set the puzzle up for

693
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: the next move. You have to be a chess player here, yeah,

694
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 3: you know, like, okay, we're putting ourselves to play defense.

695
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: I'm not a great chess player. I'm gonna try to

696
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: take his king and whatever, but I really need to

697
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: be playing defense for next year or two that I'm

698
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: not stuck in a bind. Obviously, the Browns situation is

699
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: the worst it ever been. I mean, that's the biggest

700
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: bind in quarterback history. But I need to be open

701
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: ended in my decision.

702
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, And you know.

703
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: I do like some of these dudes in the draft,

704
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to give you a first round

705
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: picks for him.

706
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: No, I'm not trading up to Jackson Dart. No, they've

707
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: all got something there that. Okay, there's some talent there,

708
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: but he's got this. Yes you know this, but he's it.

709
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: But there's this.

710
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: I don't think it's Picket ridder Corral either. I mean,

711
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: I think it's better than that, but it's not this

712
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: rookie class. It's not May and Daniels.

713
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: And and even in that class, the guy who's who's

714
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: been the best of the group was fast pick in

715
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: the draft.

716
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: I almost didn't mention Purdy or Brady, but they have

717
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: happened in history, you know where later than Dak picks

718
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: have worked out. Yeah, that doesn't mean you can that's

719
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: not a plan. But take a.

720
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: Bite to our discussion in the first segment. The Steelers

721
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: aren't going to punt on this season on a twenty

722
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: twenty five season, just well, we're going to try to

723
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: get a top ten draft picks. So we can get

724
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: one of these guys, It's not gonna happen.

725
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: And I'm probably I'm mostly in the camp that if

726
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: your goal is to win the most games you possibly

727
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: can in the twenty twenty five season, Wilson gives you

728
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: a better chance. In Fields. I mean, I think we

729
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: saw that despite how the end of the season wins.

730
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: You know, he's been on the blocks.

731
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: Around the block. He knows what he's doing out there.

732
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: Is it perfect? No?

733
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: No?

734
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: Could Fields catch lightning in a bottle? Sure? Sure? But

735
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 2: I think you know, if you sign Fields, I think

736
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: you're signing him to a bridge type contract.

737
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: Agreed, the contract would be lesser. It would definitely be

738
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: a bridge contract because he hasn't earned a real contract,

739
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: you know, and you better and.

740
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: He's fourteen and thirty as a starter in the NFL.

741
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you need to dedicate your offense to it

742
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: that too. It's okay if you're the Eagles, Yeah.

743
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: If you know you're if you know you're gonna get

744
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: Jaylen Milroe, Okay.

745
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I mean I can I can understand

746
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: that plan.

747
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't want, you know, Dylan Gabriel

748
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: and Justin Field's running the same offense.

749
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: No, they're not similar at all. No, no, no, no.

750
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't want you know Jackson Dart running the same

751
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: offenses is justin Fields.

752
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: The other thing about like a Rourke or one of

753
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: those dudes we mentioned too, they did get like every

754
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: preseason rep, they get a lot of work to develop

755
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: them and you'd at least get a real good feel

756
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: for them. If they didn't play one snap in the

757
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: regular season, you know a lot more about them after

758
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: their rookie year.

759
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: Now, I know that they probably won't be great, right,

760
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: But you know that's just my feeling on it. I

761
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: know people aren't gonna like that. And again, it's nothing

762
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: against Justin Fields. I just feel like at this point,

763
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: if that's the direction.

764
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: Big commitment to change your I mean that was the

765
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: reason when they went from Flacco to Lamar was when

766
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: Harbaugh's seat was hot, hot, hot. I mean it was

767
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: almost forced to make that decision. Yeah, he was gonna

768
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: work within weeks and give the Eagles all the crewd

769
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: in the world. But man, and I'm not cutting on Hurts.

770
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 3: He played phenomenal this past week. They had to do

771
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: that because their quarterback's not good enough. Yeah, I mean

772
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: but the rest of their offense is the best in

773
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: the league, right, I mean, they're the best line in

774
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: the league with the best skill positions in the league. Well,

775
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: his job's a lot easier then Fields would be next year. Yeah, right,

776
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, I mean you've Hurts and put him on

777
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five Steelers and ran the Eagles offense.

778
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: It wouldn't I don't not super Bowl offense. Yeah.

779
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: I think if you if you went that direction, you

780
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: almost have to take a running back in the first

781
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: two rounds of the draft. Just ball carriers you want,

782
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: you want premier ball carriers because your offense is going

783
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: to be based on we got to go out and

784
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: run for two hundred yards a game.

785
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: And the hard part and the beauty of what the

786
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: Eagles have accomplished is because you have Smith and Brown,

787
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: you still see too high shelves, right, you know, no

788
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: one's playing too high against Pickens in Austin. No, No,

789
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: I don't care if you jimp Brown the backfield, yeah,

790
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: I mean, or what's going on? Right, I mean you're

791
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: gonna get loaded boxes? Yeah, And the Steelers are into

792
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: a lot of loaded boxes this year.

793
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it would only be worse in my opinion,

794
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: if you know Fields is your quarterback and okay, now

795
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: you're going to see ten in.

796
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: The box, yeah every play. One note about mill Row though,

797
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: that I was want to make sure people realize it.

798
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: He's a very good deep passer. Yeah, the short intermediate

799
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: stuff that the disaster right now. And maybe he can

800
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: marry his feet in his hands and get better at it,

801
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: but he is a he has the Russell Wilson deep

802
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 3: stuff at least, yeah, and that's about the only Similarly,

803
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: he is kind of add.

804
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: That he can't make the layups. No, and they're bad too.

805
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

806
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: They throw it to the other team bad.

807
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, or in the stands as they're all over the place.

808
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: So maybe it's a small hands. Then maybe I'll never

809
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: have it.

810
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: It's very much like Anthony Richardson.

811
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's low completion percentage.

812
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even some of the deep stuff it you know, immobile.

813
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: Last week, I'm watching him throw it and I'm like,

814
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: that's way too far inside, Like, yeah, he can throw

815
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: it a long way, but he's throwing it not where

816
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: it needs to be thrown.

817
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: I did like the Thursday was his best practice at

818
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: least showed progress. But the first two were bad. Yeah,

819
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: what she should expect the combine. He'll light up, He'll

820
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: have a forty two inch vertical and run a four

821
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: to three and someone might take him in the first round.

822
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: But man, that's a commitment.

823
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's rough. Anyways, let's get to a break. He

824
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

825
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: to the if you're on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt,

826
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: and I'll be back with more right after this.

827
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: At least, he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

828
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

829
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

830
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the

831
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and that Matt. I'm not going to bore

832
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: everybody with the entire Matt Miller draft here, but I

833
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: wanted to. I wanted to highlight the is this the

834
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: two rounder that I want to do? Take a look

835
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: at the two picks that he made for the Steelers

836
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: in this situation. Bob Labriola's head would spin if these

837
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 2: were the picks. At twenty one, he took a Mecca

838
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Igbuka wide receiver out of Ohio State. But here's why

839
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: I want to highlight.

840
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: But that doesn't make me crazy. Yeah, here's why I

841
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: want to highlight who's available? Who's available?

842
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: The next pick in that by the charger was asking genty.

843
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: Okay, I could see going to Buko over genty, But

844
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: one's a much higher graded player and.

845
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: That Josh Connery at twenty three. Walter Nolan at twenty four.

846
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm in love with that guy.

847
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: I mean in love. If Walter Nolan is there and

848
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: they take a wide receiver, yeah, I don't care which

849
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: one it is, sham on them for six weeks.

850
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: He's not in those folks. But he is a five

851
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: star recruit that looks like it. That is an unbelievable

852
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: athlete with length.

853
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: It'll be your next Cam Hayward.

854
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: It could be your next Cam Hayward and wouldn't have

855
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: to play a ton right away. He was phenomenal to

856
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, gets off the ball with violence and man,

857
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: he is a specimen. Yeah, that's actually my favorite pick

858
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: right now at twenty one.

859
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't even know if he'll get there.

860
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: I can't pass on him to take a wide receiver. No,

861
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: who might who might be my number two?

862
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: Oh? I would hope he would be Yeah's first round

863
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: pick on receiver.

864
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: He's better, but that might be all that Buka ever is. Yeah,

865
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: he's a number two wide receiver.

866
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: No, he won't ever be.

867
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: A He's not gonna be Justin Jefferson. He's not gonna

868
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: be Jamar Chase.

869
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: He'll never be a top ten receiver in this league. Yeah,

870
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: Nolan could be a top ten interior play right in

871
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: three years. I'm trying. You know. Then at pick, were

872
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: there anyone else like right after Nolan that was there

873
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: was some offensive lineman, Yeah, but no one that would

874
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: like jumped out from a Steeler point of view.

875
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: Now, now that was just the one. I'm like, Yeah,

876
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm not passing on that, dude.

877
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: That's one guy. Just don't think you can pass on.

878
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: At fifty two, then he has them taking quin Quin

879
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: Shawn Jenkins, the running back out of Ohio State.

880
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: He's fine. It's a little early for me for that.

881
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

882
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: My problem with that is not that he wouldn't be

883
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 3: a fit. I think he's a really good player. I'd

884
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: like him to be a Steeler. But if I'm using

885
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: a top two round pick on a running back, he's

886
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: got to be a home run hitter and big that's

887
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: the difference. Yeah, I mean, like keep going back to

888
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: the Eagles. Eagles don't get explosive plays through the air,

889
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: but they have an explosive run game. They still get explosives.

890
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: You know. Judkins is a good player, but he's a

891
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: lot like nausey, you know.

892
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pick, the pick four picks after Judkins was

893
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: taken there at fifty six, the Bill stake Josh Farmer.

894
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: Okay, it'd be a really good stealer too. He's more

895
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: of a nose. Yeah. So if this were the way

896
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: that this draft would go, well, we would grab Nolan.

897
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Or you take Genty and take Farmer in the second round.

898
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 3: If you knew these things right, if you could Monday

899
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: morning quarterback it, that's probably your best team. Yeah, or

900
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: and then you know else, I'm not taking Judkins. I'm

901
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: just looking to see you It wouldn't be a back

902
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: with my second pick, Yeah, just to see who else avail.

903
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: There's only two backs i'd consider in the second round.

904
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: Quincy Riley is there.

905
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: I would yeah, he's good playing.

906
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ravens steak, Jalen Royals, Trey Harris from a

907
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 2: miss goes.

908
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: You know, I try to learn more about Harris at

909
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: the combine and stuff.

910
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: But I'm not taking a back just to take a back.

911
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: No, Nobod either. Judkins to me looks like a third

912
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: rounder that will probably be gone by then, but I

913
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: can't use the Steeler second pick on him. I don't think.

914
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: The other thing I've been hearing is this kind of

915
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: a side note. People love Henderson his teammate because he

916
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: is a home run hitter. Like remember the conversation with

917
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: the Fowler about you know, the receivers. Yeah, people are

918
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: looking for explosive players, and people think Henderson might run

919
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: the four threes and end up in the end of

920
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: the first round. I could see that would be good

921
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: for the Steeler.

922
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

923
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: I don't think he's for them, but I could see

924
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 3: that happening. I don't think that's crazy. I think he's

925
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: the first Ohio state back take. Yeah.

926
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: I could see him having a really good combine. Yeah.

927
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: Not quite the rise of the Alabama kid that went

928
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: to Detroit. Oh Gibbs Yeah yeah, but yeah, he has

929
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: some of the same similar skill sets.

930
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And I think people want the gibbs Is

931
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: of the world too. I mean, Henry and Barklay are freaks.

932
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: But the beauty is they take the house. Yeah, Gibbs

933
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: takes it to the house. There aren't many backs that

934
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: break off fifty yarders.

935
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: No, not in the NFL.

936
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: It's too high safeties and right right, yeah, so defense

937
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: is design take that away.

938
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't love this particular draft.

939
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: No, did room together their Ohio state guys. Great, that's nice,

940
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: that's the national title. They No, I wouldn't take either

941
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: one with who was on the board.

942
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: And I think this is why, you know, when I

943
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 2: start looking at what's available in this draft, I really

944
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: want to try to sign a veteran wide receiver on

945
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: the market.

946
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: Me too, even if it's Slaton. I mean, at least somebody.

947
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: And you know the elephant in the room too is

948
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: I don't know the Pickens will be back. And the

949
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: only way that I think a Pickens trade is feasible

950
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: is signing a starting wide receiver like the first week

951
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: of free agency. And that's step one to even have

952
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: that conversation. Otherwise you can't have that conversation.

953
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm looking here too. Some of the bets was still

954
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: availab in his draft. The kid at A Stanford was

955
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: still available in his draft, Like, I'd.

956
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: Rather go just in a nutshell. As much as I

957
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: like Abuka, he's fine, I would rather take those guys

958
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: in the second round than a book in the first.

959
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: I think they fit your offense better too. That he's

960
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: a good player, he's he will block and do those things.

961
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: But I'm liking Burton more and more too, this explosive

962
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: after the catch type abilities. But I like those second

963
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: round receivers. Yeah, you know, I don't know how I

964
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: could pass on No. One.

965
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could either.

966
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: I mean a fun conversation though, is in a nutshell

967
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 3: twenty one? Is there? Are you taking genty or No? One?

968
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: That would be the conversation over the wide receiver.

969
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: Right right, because he's a special guy.

970
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gen the house and genty has that, Yeah,

971
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: has that ability to be a game breaker and catches

972
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: the ball well, and he's tough and he's physical, and.

973
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 3: Like, I think it would be a surprise if he's

974
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: not a top five back like Jean already is. Right,

975
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: Jon maybe two or three. And I'd slightly preferred prospect

976
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: Vjon over prospect Gen. But they're in the same neighborhood. Yeah,

977
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: I mean there.

978
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: If you get the best back in the draft, Okay,

979
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: now I'll listen to it. I don't care about running

980
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: backs and all that stuff in terms of, oh, you

981
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: can't take a running back.

982
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: No.

983
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: If he's the best back in the draft in a

984
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: very good running back draft, and it's going to be

985
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: a top ten guy, top five guy potentially, then you

986
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: take him.

987
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 3: He will on some boards, he'll have the highest grade

988
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 3: in their draft room, and he'll probably be a top

989
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: five graded football player in every draft room. In this class.

990
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: There's no Jonathan Ogden in this class. I mean, I mean,

991
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 3: there's not much for him to go over.

992
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: And Nolan's a guy who's, you know, one of the

993
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: top two in my opinion, is one of the top

994
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: two defensive tackles in this draft. I agree, and again

995
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: in a really deep defensive tackle draft.

996
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 3: And just his profile and his makeup is so perfect

997
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: with the timing of Hayward's career. Yeah, so perfect. Yeah,

998
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: I mean, be better if he's a nose. But I

999
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: don't care. You'll find a nose or Beton'll play nose

1000
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, I mean, that's nothing. The fact

1001
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: you don't have Casey Hampton is not the only reason

1002
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: you couldn't stop the run against the Raven, Right, There's

1003
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: other ways to play the run. Yeah, better corner play,

1004
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: lets me put more people in the box, or whatever

1005
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: you want to do, you know. Yeah, I mean it

1006
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you have to get a three hundred and

1007
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: fifty pound nose and then all of a sudden, all

1008
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: you run defense problems are gone. And that's not the

1009
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: only culprit for why you didn't stop the run.

1010
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: Well at the end, Yeah, and you can get you

1011
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: can get that guy in the fourth You can get

1012
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: that guy. I was just going to say, those guys

1013
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: are available deeper into this draft. But if I'm going

1014
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: to take it, that's why I can't necessarily go Grant

1015
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: in the first round.

1016
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: I know that's a tough one for me. If I

1017
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: traded down and picked up a third round pick and

1018
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: now I can do something else, Yeah, I'll take it

1019
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 3: with twenty six.

1020
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is kind of what the Steelers did

1021
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: with Casey Hampton. They yet down in that draft, picked

1022
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: up some extra picks, and then because the rest of

1023
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: leagues have viewed them the same way.

1024
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, boy, we really like him, we'd love to

1025
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: have that piece. But he's going to play twenty five

1026
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: to thirty snaps a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And

1027
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: like you know, you had to ask that question about

1028
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks of the Senior Bowl. Well, I'll take the

1029
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: what's the Bama kid, Harris, I think his name of

1030
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: the nose tackle. Yeah, I'll take him, or Black or

1031
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: one of those other big athletes that can move a

1032
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: little bit. I'll like the fourth round, right, yeah, I

1033
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: mean I'm fine with that. Let alone Farmer in the

1034
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 3: second or something like that. Let him meet up blocks

1035
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: and there's other options.

1036
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: Allow my linebackers to flow out the football.

1037
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: And they're big, physical, heavy handed dudes.

1038
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that you know, you can't overlook

1039
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: here with the Steelers, They've got two extremely athletic linebackers

1040
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 2: now yeah yeah, under contract for a long time moving forward,

1041
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 2: like you want to protect those guys.

1042
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1043
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: One of the things that drives me crazy this time

1044
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: here when people were talking about inside linebackers or even

1045
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: safeties and things of that, Well, he really struggles getting

1046
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: off blocks, no kidding. Yeah, you know the offense that

1047
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: the three hundred and fifty pound offensive lineman that gets

1048
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: out on him, and he had his trouble getting off

1049
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: of that block.

1050
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's no Luven Kirklands in the league. Get

1051
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: him know that blow those blocks up. I mean they

1052
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: just aren't. And that's what I mean.

1053
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: Landon Roberts will blow that block up.

1054
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bud Warner has problem getting off those blacks. He's

1055
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: the best linebacker in the last five years.

1056
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: That's why you try to cover them up.

1057
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: If Zach Frasier gets to Fred Warner on the second

1058
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: level with a good angle, he's gonna win, right, He's

1059
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: gonna win. But you gotta play the pass. I mean,

1060
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: that's the thing. You can't just allow crossers in front

1061
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: of your face. What he will get picked a part.

1062
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: That's just the way the league is right now, no

1063
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: question about it. But I went to no one. I

1064
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: hear he's a perfect groom and spots player play twenty

1065
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: thirty forty snaps a game as he progress. There's a

1066
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: lot to work with there.

1067
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: He might be just plug him in as your maybe yeah,

1068
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: maybe he's got a world of upside. Yeah absolutely, But yeah,

1069
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, and that's why I can't

1070
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: That's why when we when we had labs on last Wednesday,

1071
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: you weren't on and reamed out, yeah, he killed you

1072
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: because you had a wide receiver in the first thing. Guy,

1073
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: I want a big guy. I want a big guy.

1074
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: Well there's a big guy.

1075
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah. If no one way on board, I

1076
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 3: would have drafted him. I didn't control the first twenty picks.

1077
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what. We're gonna do that when

1078
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: we come back. Been a while, all right, it's been

1079
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: a while. We're gonna do a little mock draft here

1080
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: and we'll see where that comes out for us. He

1081
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to

1082
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and

1083
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: now I'll be back with more right after this.