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Speaker 1: Hey there everybody. It is Monday, November seventeenth. It's been

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Speaker 1: about three months since Martha Nolan mysteriously died in Montalk. Well,

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Speaker 1: we now have some of her final texts with friends,

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Speaker 1: with her boyfriend, and we are hearing about that night

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Speaker 1: from the attorney representing the man she was on that

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Speaker 1: boat with when she died. And with that, welcome everyone

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Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. We were in

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Speaker 1: Montalk when this mysterious death happened, and we were following

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Speaker 1: it hour by hour.

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Speaker 2: It was the talk of the town. And still there

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Speaker 2: aren't really many answers.

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Speaker 3: Our by hours, not month by month. We got it

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Speaker 3: seemed like we know barely more than we knew three

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Speaker 3: months ago. Yeah, this is a Montalk mystery that we

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Speaker 3: still don't know if it was a Montalk murder mystery,

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Speaker 3: we still don't know how this young lady died. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And the New York magazine put out a fascinating article

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Speaker 1: over the weekend basically giving a timeline of what we

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Speaker 1: know and what we've learned from her friends who were

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Speaker 1: texting with her and from the attorney of the man

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Speaker 1: who she was with. And so we know that this

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Speaker 1: meeting that she was at on this Monday evening was

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Speaker 1: supposed to actually be on Saturday, and it was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be during the day with her business partner. But

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Speaker 1: somehow it morphed into a Monday night, late night boat ride,

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Speaker 1: a sunset cruise complete with champagne, and it ended in

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Speaker 1: her death. But we have the name of the man

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Speaker 1: of the boat she was on. He was an investor

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Speaker 1: in her business. His name was Christopher Dernan and he

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Speaker 1: was the last person to see Martha Nolan alive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we know this now. We're getting more details now

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Speaker 3: and hearing I guess his side of things to a

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Speaker 3: certain degree. But right after we did know in the day,

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Speaker 3: the hours, the days afterwards that the story was she

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Speaker 3: was filed this thirty three year old young lady. It

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Speaker 3: was a fashion designer working on elevated swim there in

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Speaker 3: montak originally from Iran. But she was found on a

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Speaker 3: yacht at the Montagu Yacht Club dead. Nobody knows why.

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Speaker 3: But the story was that a man was running up

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Speaker 3: get everybody else's attention and robes. The detail that stood

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Speaker 3: were like, what the hell is going on? Why was

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Speaker 3: he naked? What was going on? Those were all what

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Speaker 3: I just told you all were all the details we had.

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Speaker 3: I swear rose were like a.

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Speaker 1: Week and we were careful not to report some of

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Speaker 1: those details because they weren't corroborated by police and we

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Speaker 1: didn't want to be sensational. But certainly some of the

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Speaker 1: folks who were there who were awakened by apparently him

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Speaker 1: throwing a I guess they said it was a sunscreen

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Speaker 1: at midnight. So, yes, that was all very suspicious, and

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Speaker 1: it led to a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of folks insinuation. Could this be a murder mystery? What

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Speaker 2: could have happened?

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Speaker 1: How did it go from being a business meeting to

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Speaker 2: It was all very confusing.

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Speaker 1: So we are getting some details from friends who were

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Speaker 1: saying that they basically were in constant contact with Martha.

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Speaker 2: They were texting, they were in.

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Speaker 1: A group chat, but she kind of went silent after

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Speaker 1: And so she had told her boyfriend who was out

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Speaker 1: wondering she had stopped texting them back. One friend wrote

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Speaker 2: Died or maybe she's dead.

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Speaker 1: One of her friends texted that ten minutes later, and

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Speaker 3: So she wasn't dead, right, but she was soon to

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Speaker 3: be right. She was soon to be. What I'm saying

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Speaker 3: is that we have watched and seen enough murder mysteries

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Speaker 3: we didn't know a lot of details. His name was

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Speaker 1: Now it is true though, because there is there are

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Speaker 1: some missing There is a missing hour, specifically a little

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Speaker 1: bit more than an hour where police don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: They're investigating. It's what happened in that critical hour. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, I hadn't even thought about someone else

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Speaker 1: texting on her behalf. That didn't even cross my mind.

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Speaker 1: But yes, there is no way to verify she's the

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Speaker 1: one who wrote that or not. And this was a

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Speaker 1: period of time. This was a night where the marina

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Speaker 1: on Monday nights, The dock is pretty secluded, and it

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Speaker 1: Bucket I believe was the name of that boat. Then

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Speaker 1: they switched over to his other boat called Ripple, which

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Speaker 1: she was ultimately found.

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Speaker 2: But this is interesting. This is the first time I.

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Speaker 1: Have heard an explanation via his attorney about what Christopher

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Speaker 1: Dernan says happened on that night.

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Speaker 3: He claims that around is explaining why he was naked, which, yes,

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Speaker 3: I was trying to stay with him robes throughout this

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Speaker 3: I am not at all, folks, and I'm stating this

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Speaker 3: being a accusatory about this man. But the story was already mysterious.

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Speaker 3: Now we're starting to hear some answers and you then

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Speaker 3: hear something, Go wait a minute, that doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: And there's a couple of moments in here. Well, it

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Speaker 3: just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: It could be true, it.

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Speaker 1: Could all be true, but it seems as though there

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Speaker 1: are key details that have been left out.

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Speaker 3: But then the ones they fill in the blanks with

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Speaker 2: It's bizarre. So yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: So, according to Dernan's attorney, who spoke on the record,

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Speaker 1: he said that around ten thirty or eleven PM, Martha

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Speaker 1: Nolan suddenly went limp. He claims that Christopher Dernan thought

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Speaker 1: His quote, she was gone almost immediately. She was non responsive.

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Speaker 1: And again, according to the attorney, ten thirty or eleven pm,

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Speaker 1: the Christopher Durnan never called nine one one. How can

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Speaker 1: and that was at midnight, so there was an hour

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Speaker 1: Now we don't know what happened. Why wouldn't he have

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Speaker 1: called nine one one? And why was it not until

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Speaker 3: Okay, do I have it right? They're back, As far

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Speaker 3: as the story goes, she goes limp or whatever when

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Speaker 3: they're back at the boat that's parked, not when they

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Speaker 3: were out at all, still on the water.

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Speaker 1: Correct, yes, according to the timeline from Even the friends

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Speaker 1: verified this too, because when she texted them at nine thirty,

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Speaker 1: confirmed that, and Nolan even said that that was exactly

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Speaker 1: the case as well. No, I excuse me, Nolan said that,

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Speaker 1: and then Dernan also said that they got back to

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Speaker 1: the marina at nine to thirty pm. So that's all

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Speaker 1: agreed upon by both Mark This text, and what he

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Speaker 3: What time was this nine one one call? What time

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Speaker 1: It was midnight, midnight, And it wasn't from him, It

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Speaker 1: wasn't from Christopher Durnan.

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Speaker 2: It was from folks who were on an adjacent folk.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't have it in front. We take me

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Speaker 3: back nine thirty. What happened at nine thirty?

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Speaker 2: Again, nine thirty.

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Speaker 1: They came back to the marina and apparently we're talking business.

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Speaker 3: Everything's fine, drinks all right, Yes, evening's going fine. So

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Speaker 3: she goes limp a what.

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Speaker 1: He claims, between ten thirty and eleven PM she suddenly

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Speaker 1: talking business. She's asking for more money to reinvest so

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Speaker 1: But somehow between nine thirty and ten thirty she goes limp.

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Speaker 1: But my big timeline issue is what happened between ten

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Speaker 2: What was going on during that hour?

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Speaker 3: The argument he makes, right, the lawyer makes, is just

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Speaker 3: everything was chaotic and just the time is getting mixed

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Speaker 1: Perhaps according to his attorney, he said that and This

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Speaker 1: God's name was your client naked at midnight?

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Speaker 3: Oh you have the time, Okay, the explanation of the time,

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Speaker 3: How do they explain why he just he was just

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Speaker 3: working out. He's just saying this was all just chaos.

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Speaker 1: They said he was distraught that he had just watched

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Speaker 1: one of his dear friends die in trauma, and he froze.

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Speaker 3: Wait, and he was frozen for an hour.

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Speaker 2: They just said he was absolutely destroyed.

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Speaker 1: They really didn't give a clear explanation. They did give

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Speaker 2: Okay, you want to hear it?

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Speaker 3: Sure, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, according to Holdman, this is Durnan's attorney, Durnan had

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Speaker 1: to strip his clothes off because they were soaked with

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Speaker 1: Nolan's vomit. Okay, So I never I missed that part

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Speaker 1: because according to the attorney earlier, the concern was when

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Speaker 1: she started vomiting on him in some way somehow, at

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Speaker 1: and that's when the lawyer said, Chris is distraught. He

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Speaker 1: watched his friend Diane trauma. He's absolutely destroyed. And when

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Speaker 1: the attorney said, detectives pressed his client on what could

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Speaker 1: have happened, what he thought maybe happened to Martha Nolan.

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Speaker 1: He said that there were two occasions where Martha excused

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Speaker 1: herself to go to the bathroom. Okay, that would happen

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Speaker 1: when you're on a boat having champagne and drinking. And

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Speaker 1: he thought that maybe it could be an indication that

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Speaker 1: going on in the bathroom. He wasn't sure, so that

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Speaker 1: had a problem with that. Yes, offer of an explain.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fine, and then maybe that did happen, and everything

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Speaker 3: he said could be true. Let's go with this. Every

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Speaker 3: that it's a bizarre night. It's a it's a freaking

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Speaker 3: he's saying she didn't have an event. She just collapsed

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised he spoke at all. That was shocking to me.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back, folks. Well continue here on, Amy

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Speaker 3: and TJ. Robes. I didn't say the most jaw dropping

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Speaker 1: She did?

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Speaker 3: We still haven't seen those over getting more information now

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Speaker 3: there was that, no, this was not a romantic thing. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was always what folks had said, in fact,

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Speaker 3: So what I'm saying here robe was that all of

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Speaker 3: it was shot down. Why would he say those things?

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Speaker 1: It's almost as if I thought the same thing. It's

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Speaker 2: Maybe he was.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he wanted it to.

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Speaker 1: Be known, because look, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: It does raise eyebrows.

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Speaker 1: But she was in contact with her boyfriend, she was

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Speaker 2: Wasn't, and she did have plans to head home.

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Speaker 1: We the only person who knows what actually happened on

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Speaker 3: Why his attorney that publicly suggests to us he wasn't

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Speaker 4: Point they said yeah, he said prior prior, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: Enough, alcohol, enough, whatever.

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm saying to romantically link his client to

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Speaker 1: It's true, and today the police investigation, this is where

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Speaker 2: That's how they put it.

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Speaker 3: That's very important to say, very important.

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Speaker 2: So there's no evidence of violence.

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Speaker 1: And then the family actually commissioned an independent autopsy, and

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Speaker 1: One way or another where they are. But the final autopsy,

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Speaker 1: He actually says that that was dust from police fingerprinting

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Speaker 3: Okay, is that possible? I thought that stuff was black.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea, but there was a white battery

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Speaker 3: Ctarly, I'm saying it's possible that two and two can

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I'm trying to find a scenario where I'm

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Speaker 1: That is one of those if you're wearing underwear two

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Speaker 3: But the point he what he's trying to explain, right,

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Speaker 1: I would also say that if your friend just dies

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Speaker 2: I'm not worried.

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Speaker 1: About the vomit that's on me in that moment. I'm

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Speaker 3: I've never been in that, so I don't want to

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Speaker 3: To your point, maybe he was all ready to disrobe

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Speaker 1: Didn't we say that, but that is what a lot

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Speaker 3: You say what people were thinking. But then we go

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Speaker 2: Goodness, at least as far as Christopher Durning goes. He's

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Speaker 1: That lawyer, of course, you know, said what he said,

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Speaker 1: This is a life cut short, a life that was

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Speaker 1: her business, she had gone through a lot of different

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Speaker 1: tough iterations and was finally building on something serious, and

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Speaker 1: you had so.

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Speaker 2: Much hope for the future.

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Speaker 1: This actually gave me, I don't know, in a weird way,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of comfort because her best friend

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Speaker 1: and her business partner said that it gives him comfort.

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Speaker 1: He said when asked about just the unbelievable attention that

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Speaker 1: her death created from the media, there was a media frenzy.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was talking about it, and still we're talking about

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Speaker 1: it three months later.

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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 1: The frenzy around her death, including the coverage of the funeral,

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Speaker 1: was a source of comfort. This was a quote from him.

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Speaker 1: She loved press, she loved media. I just knew that

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Speaker 1: she'd be so happy. That's how she went out.

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Speaker 3: You gotta give him credit for finding some silver lining

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Speaker 3: it all. Yeah, had to smile. But that says what

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Speaker 3: happened to this young lady. We still don't know, but

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Speaker 3: it's a shame reading her background, what she's gone through

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Speaker 3: and the hell and the ups and the downs, and

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Speaker 3: everything looked good until media, but she went through some

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Speaker 3: hell and trying to get her business and even getting

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Speaker 3: married for the sake of the immigration status and all.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of she went through a lot, and she

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Speaker 3: was hustling, and it's too bad. This is where we are,

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Speaker 3: this young lady. But we're talking about her and to

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Speaker 3: that point, then that gives me some comfort that I

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Speaker 3: know this young lady never knew what east By East was,

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Speaker 3: but now I know it. And if I ever see

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Speaker 3: something of that swimwhear line, I'll buy it.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. I thought it was a cool

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Speaker 2: way to end it, and we hope that this isn't

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Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 1: We hope there are some more answers, and as soon

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Speaker 1: as they've become available, we will of course pass them

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Speaker 1: along to you. But for now, everyone, I'm Amy Roeboch

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Speaker 1: alongside TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.