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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 4: My name is Matt, my name is Noah.

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Speaker 2: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 2: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 2: argue you are here. That makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 2: don't want you to know. And please forgive this mustache

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Speaker 2: from Rocking Netflix. I got a thing going on.

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Speaker 4: I forget it's needed. Ben. You just strike a dashing

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Speaker 2: Oh you're too kind ul as ever, guys, Tonight's episode

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Speaker 2: is very, very exciting for us because it comes to us,

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Speaker 2: Curtis see of the best part of this show, our

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Speaker 2: fellow conspiracy realists. This is a listener suggestion from our pal,

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Speaker 2: Kill deer, fake out, So kill deer fake out. If

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Speaker 2: you're watching this, if you're hearing this, thank you. You

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Speaker 2: have brought us to some hidden history, some cover ups.

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Speaker 2: We've been obsessed with this forever, guys, and as we've

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Speaker 2: discovered over the years, more than a decade Now, there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of strange and very true conspiracies about

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Speaker 2: covering up disasters. And you know, forget what your textbooks

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Speaker 2: tell you, a lot of those cover ups occur right

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Speaker 2: here where we record, in the United States of America.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, our government has this tendency to do things quietly

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Speaker 3: in the dark, sometimes underground, sometimes in facilities that leak

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Speaker 2: Maybe a little rugsweep, yeah, for sure, M little little

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Speaker 2: suspicious burial of drums and containers, and sometimes right there

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Speaker 4: On multiple levels in open pits, you know, super fun sites. Now,

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Speaker 4: it's fun. But yes, that's.

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Speaker 3: Just our green goo supply that we're keeping on the

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Speaker 2: It's fine, So let's get to it. This is a

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Speaker 2: story of a true conspiracy, one whose consequences reverberate as

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Speaker 2: we record in the modern evening. This, friends and Neighbors,

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Speaker 2: is the true radioactive story of Cold Water Creek. Here

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Speaker 2: are the facts. Okay, cool name, innocuous name. I don't

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Speaker 2: know about you, guys, but I've been weirded out by

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Speaker 2: innocuous names for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Sure, right, especially when it comes to government programs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent and all right. Cold Water Creek Okay,

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Speaker 2: it sounds like it could be the name of a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially here in Georgia, we get a lot of

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Speaker 2: Shops at the Creek Placid Streams, you know, something like that.

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Speaker 2: Dylan is coming in hot with one. Let's see what

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Speaker 2: we've got in the chat here. A Chico's clothing competitor name.

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, it's true, it is actually is a clothing brand.

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Speaker 4: I was what Yeah, yeah, I was thrown off on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I had I had that

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Speaker 4: Vests and sweaters.

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Speaker 2: Yes, who doesn't love a vest? Who doesn't love a.

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Speaker 4: Sweater both at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Right, and who doesn't love water? You know? The Coldwater

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Speaker 2: Creek in question for tonight's exploration is a tributary of

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Speaker 4: Right, flowing through several cities before going under ground in

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And like a lot of creeks, like a lot

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Speaker 3: and that's one of the big problems in this episode.

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Speaker 3: But it is weird to think about exposure to a

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Speaker 4: A factor that's going to come into play a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people were for a lot of US history. People

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, yeah, and it tastes it tastes different, for sure,

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Speaker 4: Sure, I mean, in the absence of like oversight. A

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sanitation virtually nonexistent pollution. The consequent contamination accelerates.

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Speaker 2: The science is racing to catch up with the problems.

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Speaker 2: Water borne illness, other medical conditions. They proliferate, and some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this's a just thinking about We discussed germ theory

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Speaker 3: it took humanity to kind of realize, Oh, there are

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Speaker 2: All of the poop water. Yeah, And in this conversation

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Speaker 2: inherently unique. The challenges that the local communities face in

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Speaker 2: What followed those may not be appropriate for all listeners

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Speaker 2: Okay the resident, Let's just put the cards on the table,

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Speaker 2: residents of various Coldwater Creek adjacent communities are victims of

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Speaker 2: exposure to radioactive waste, this is an active cover up,

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Speaker 2: beat me here, Dylan, please, Uncle Sam knew the whole time.

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Speaker 3: And it all goes back to America's desire to build

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Speaker 2: We got to hop in the Hyms.

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Speaker 3: Well, we all saw that movie. If you haven't go

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Speaker 3: see it, it is worth your time. But it is

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Speaker 3: about a secret project to build an atomic weapon, something

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Speaker 2: One of the most successful conspiracies in all of American history,

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Speaker 2: the creation of weaponized nuclear armament. You have probably heard

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Speaker 2: is Manhattan doing in Missoura? And Matt, I also want

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Speaker 2: me the phenomenal graphic novel Trinity, which traces the nuts

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Speaker 4: It's a secret.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nobody talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Not for nothing. Did we do a brain drain episode recently?

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Speaker 4: Why not do both?

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Speaker 2: Sure this this is cinematic. We're talking larger than life

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Speaker 2: Not Noles Bush. So in June of nineteen forty two,

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Speaker 2: you may be recalling again that we started talking about Missouri.

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Speaker 4: And certainly a lot of these contracts, the consideration would

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Speaker 3: I just want to talk about that move from Columbia

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Speaker 3: And just as a strategic move, right, if you're imagining

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Speaker 4: That at least, uh, you can see him coming.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you'd have enough of a warning. Again, even

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Speaker 2: Not for nothing, are a lot of the super fun

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Continuity of government.

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Speaker 2: Continuity of government is what COG stands for.

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Speaker 2: I N C A R O D T cool.

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Speaker 3: Simple.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Well, what's the crack?

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Speaker 4: It just sounds Gaelic. It sounds vaguely Gaelic to me

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Speaker 2: In here you go. Spoiler, folks, The Manhattan Project pays off.

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Speaker 2: It changes the world. The bomb does work. Japan is devastated, Nagasaki, Hiroshimak.

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Speaker 4: Shut all this book. We need to do something.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, the consequences of my actions.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's a lot of understanding. Well, let's put

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Speaker 4: Late, right, And that not late, I mean, it's just

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Speaker 4: saying that's exact point.

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Speaker 2: You nailed it there, guys. I think we can all

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Speaker 2: our pals at this Irish American company, Mellenkrot, they team

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Speaker 2: about it this way. Have you have you, guys, ever

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Speaker 4: Yeah, every weekend crazy just at the coming Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And mentioned the neighbors that had to deal with the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it turns out somebody blew up our neighbor's house,

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Speaker 3: You're telling me you're not supposed to go down to

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Speaker 2: Who will? Yeah? I support you.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty lucky my basement is facing away from other

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Speaker 2: You gotta franchise out the basements, guys. So here's this

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Speaker 2: front of the mind. Melancrat and the corp of engineers

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Speaker 2: But they don't have a bunch of natty light cans

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Speaker 2: What kind of parties are you throwing? Pop?

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Speaker 4: Paper hats, lemonade cups?

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Speaker 2: I love it? What kind of parties is who throwing?

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Speaker 4: Oh just I don't think of popcorn as being a

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Speaker 4: very with their wholesome rager where everyone's just snacking on popelorn.

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Speaker 3: That's a kick ass movie party, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: We're like, if you're putting on an awesome movie, everybody's

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Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. Yeah, thank you, Matt,

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Speaker 2: and we in this case, the corp of Engineers and melancrime.

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Speaker 2: Their party detritus is radioactive waste.

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Speaker 3: Ah crap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from the rush to process weapons grade your radium.

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Speaker 3: Everything everything is. I think you should leave now in

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Speaker 3: my head.

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Speaker 4: A lot harder to sweep up than that than some

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00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: some some straight popcorn kernels and Natty light cans.

438
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: Uh. And we are not brought to you by Natty light.

439
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 2: We are brought to you by bigcorn. And we are

440
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: brought to you by uh bud light. The beer is

441
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: so good you can drink it with your mouth. Or

442
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: is that Miller light?

443
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, it's Miller I think, But like, what

444
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 4: was it kid Rock? That like the but light anyway?

445
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: Oh, no, okay, Miller light that dacab. So they chose

446
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: these folks are in a bit of a panic mode

447
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: and no one should know. They say privately to each other.

448
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: They have the support of the US government. Obviously the

449
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: army has been called in. They choose a site that's

450
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: kind of small, considering it's about around about twenty two

451
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: acres twenty one point seven acres. And it's get this,

452
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: it's near the airport. It's near the Lambert airport. This

453
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: is where they're going to bury their sins.

454
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's classic Simpsons type stuff. They're literally burying steel

455
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: drums with those radioactive symbols on them in the ground.

456
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't seem like that bad of an idea, Like,

457
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: surely they put a giant concrete structure down there first.

458
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, yeah, that's a great question. They did not. Also,

459
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's important for us to note at

460
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: this time, in the late forties and forty seven, they

461
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: may not have known the full They probably did not

462
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: know the full countermeasures you have to take to cont

463
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: radioactive waste. They were probably making their best effort, but

464
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: they also wanted to save money and keep things quiet,

465
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: and they and they got stuff shipped not just from

466
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: the original factory there north of town, they got waste

467
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: from other locations that were associated with the Manhattan Project.

468
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: So imagine you've got the house party and then one

469
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: of your friends calls you and says, hey, we had

470
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: a sick house party too. I've got a truck of

471
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: when we choose Miller lite and popcorn kernels and crushed

472
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: solo cups, and I'm just gonna dump them in your backyard.

473
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: Role is that that's tight?

474
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: Right out in my backyard.

475
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: All these people with house parties have a mutual friend

476
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: who works in air traffic control, and they're like, hey, hey, hey.

477
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: Jeremy, what's up, man, it's your boy? Oh Darren called

478
00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: you too. Yeah, more space down there, since you're up

479
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: you know, you already started doing it.

480
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

481
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: This becomes known as the Saint Louis Airport storage site

482
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: or we love an acronym slaps.

483
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it definitely did not slap, not in a

484
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: good way. No, Yeah, there was a bit of a

485
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: slap in the face to the people living in the area.

486
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: Eventually, they didn't even bother with the steel drums. They

487
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: just rolled up the container and then dumped stuff on

488
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: the ground. Yikes, man, And we're like, yeah, checked their

489
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, probably checked their watches and said, oh, it's

490
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: it's Friday. It's like four thirty five. I don't know, guys, I.

491
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 4: Say, we call it back to what we were saying earlier.

492
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, rolling the stuff out before fully

493
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: understanding the aftermath and understanding the ramifications big picture. I

494
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: don't it's not a pass right like the best There

495
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 4: is not a good faith effort particularly, but it also

496
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: is like a problem that they have to have a

497
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: logistical solution to. They got to put it somewhere right.

498
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: But in intention Yeah, yeah, that's a great point because

499
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: we talked about this in a previous episode and it's

500
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: haunted me ever since. Intention does not indemnify one from consequence,

501
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

502
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: It just seems so inherently sloppy. I mean, the intention

503
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be good at all. It just seems

504
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: to be, like you said, then, a bit of a

505
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: panic mode.

506
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

507
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: Imagine though, if okay, just this scenario, it's a secret

508
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: that they made all this stuff somewhat of a secret

509
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: at this point. It's a little past the time that

510
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: people know about the thing a little bit at least,

511
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: but it's a secret. You're trying to get rid of it.

512
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: You just put it away somewhere. If it was not

513
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: radioactive in the way they knew it was, it wouldn't

514
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: have been a problem. There's a potential there for somebody

515
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: taking that action right of dumping all this stuff there,

516
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: that nothing happens, nobody ever knows about it. It just goes away,

517
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: It gets absorbed back into the earth the way somebody

518
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: in an office somewhere said it might right, because you

519
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: don't take that action if there isn't a possibility that

520
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: that everything's fine and it just goes away.

521
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: True. Also, speaking of intention and motivation, we have to

522
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: realize that everybody in charge of that situation is probably

523
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: dead at this point. And so even if even if

524
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: there were concerns that should have been actionable, there could

525
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: well have been people who said, not my problem.

526
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: You know, you know, people knew about nukes for sure,

527
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: but radioactive waste and the byproducts that was that was

528
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: still being covered up to some mean no pun intended,

529
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: but like I mean, this was not general knowledge, the

530
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: fact that this stuff even existed, that these weapons and

531
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 4: this technology produced this kind of stuff.

532
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great point too. It's

533
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: a it calls to mind shades of the Smoking Man

534
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: from X Files. You know, there's like one guy who

535
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: talks to some people. There are some scientists and some

536
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: academics that nobody really listens to. And the media is

537
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: not doing a super great job reporting this because everybody

538
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: is still in an intense, horrific hangover from the atrocity

539
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: called World War Two. So for fifteen years, fellow conspiracy realist,

540
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: this company continues its uranium refining activities at its downtown site,

541
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: just you know, north of Saint Louis, and they keep

542
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: dumping the waist in as well.

543
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you might think, okay, well, surely it gets

544
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: better from there, Like they figured something out right, something

545
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 3: good happens now in the story.

546
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: We love that because you know, we have improv backgrounds.

547
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: We love it.

548
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Yes and so yes, and it gets worse. We shamlaned ourselves. Okay,

549
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: it's sixty six. It's nineteen sixty six. There's this company

550
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: called the Potter Corporation. They get in the mix and

551
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: they do a thing where they're purchasing minerals from Malancrat

552
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: and they you know, they're a corporation, they're for profit.

553
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: They're trying to extract these minerals and they say, oh man,

554
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: we're losing money on this. We've done something dumb like

555
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: make the Atari links. That's a that's a reference for

556
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: ridiculous history.

557
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: You hush your mouth. That was the best gaming system

558
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 3: I had, as.

559
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 4: You had a Lynx that was later. That was sort

560
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: of them trying to become relevant again. Right, I don't care.

561
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: All I know is I had it and I loved it.

562
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: Silver.

563
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: Okay, there's the Jaguar as well.

564
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 3: That's what I played California games on that until my fingers.

565
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: Were was that like skateboarding and jets gains, things like that, surfing.

566
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm where singers are feeling better. Yeah. Wow, we have

567
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: a two part series on Atari for our shower ridiculous history.

568
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: Please check it out anyway, not to cast dispersions on

569
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: the good folks Sedatari. It's really inspiring story. But there

570
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: the profits for this potter corporation were not where they

571
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: needed to be, and so they had they had to

572
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: take things, really dodgy things, radiological extraction substances, stuff like

573
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: barium sul fight. They dumped it in a different landfill

574
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: site at a place called Latty Avenue, La t t Y,

575
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: and then another site in a nearby place called Bridgeton.

576
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: So now if we're playing along at home and counting,

577
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: there are three identified sites with very dangerous stuff all

578
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: around the Coldwater Creek area, which is.

579
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: Right by Saint Louis. Can't We can't stress that enough.

580
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: It's like right north of the Saylo. Yeah, it's like

581
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 3: you can drive there easily. It's not a day trip,

582
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: it's a there and back trip.

583
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: And again, the reason I'm positing this is a true

584
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: and successful conspiracy is that even the people who were

585
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: literally holding this stuff to these dump sites did not

586
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: know what they were hauling, Like they had no idea.

587
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: We don't want to make it seem as though these

588
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: folks were all being villainous or intending to do evil things.

589
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: They didn't know they were part of a system.

590
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 4: As it turns out, it's going to turn out they

591
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 4: were victims as well, because they were being exposed potentially

592
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: to some of this low level radiated material.

593
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And now we're starting to talk about consequences.

594
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: So how about we pause for a quick word from

595
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: our sponsors and get into where the radioactivity had the road.

596
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 4: Let's do it.

597
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: We've returned, all right. For anybody who checked out our

598
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: earlier episode on the salt plume or on other hidden

599
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: environmental disasters, it is possibly not going to surprise you

600
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: that the radioactive gunk and junk and gobbledygoot from slaps

601
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: and that latty landfill and that bridged in landfill, they

602
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: leached into the soil. They made it to the nearby

603
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: creek bed. They made it to the well water if

604
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: anybody was drinking from a well. They made it therefore,

605
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: to the homes and the properties and the public spaces

606
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: of communities living nearby. Ah Rep.

607
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 4: I know I've mentioned this before, but I've spent a

608
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: lot of time researching and hanging out around another site

609
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 4: for legacy nuclear waste near Augusta, Georgia, where I grew up,

610
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 4: called the Savannah Rivers, and there's a lot of legacy

611
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: clean up activities on going there to this day where

612
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: they do research into like how reached, how clean up

613
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: is going by, you know, tagging wildlife and things like that.

614
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: But even in those open pits they had like liners

615
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 4: on them, which even that was just not nearly enough

616
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 4: and a lot of those would get compromise and things

617
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: like that. So the fact that they I don't know

618
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: if it's just a timing thing where they just didn't

619
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: know or didn't care, but we're literally talking about this

620
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: stuff just being dumped in like open pits or just

621
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: literally being dumped on the ground.

622
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: In a drum, right in a drum in a container,

623
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: like an oil drum, not like a snare drum. But yes,

624
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: your point holds. I would say these are some of

625
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: the deadliest substances known to human kide there essentially because

626
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: they're leached in the are, they may as well have

627
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: been directly dumped in Coldwater Creek, again a tributary of

628
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 2: the Missouri River, going for some twenty miles. We're talking

629
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: stuff like the usual suspects, you know, a rogues gallery

630
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: of stuff that is bad. Uranium two thirty eight, thorum

631
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: two thirty two, strontium ninety oh man, strontium, strontium.

632
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: Interesting. We're gonna get to this too in this study

633
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: over there in the Saint Louis area. But the midwest,

634
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: uh was had some of the most contaminated milk because

635
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: of strontium from other activities, not not this, it was

636
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: something unrelated.

637
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: Man.

638
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 3: So we're imagining all this stuff right getting into the water,

639
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: into the ground all over here where a ton of

640
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: people are living. You and this we've got a long

641
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: timeline here right from the sixties all until let's just

642
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: say until the two thousands, even.

643
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: I'd say forty seven to the two thousands. Yeah, that's great.

644
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: So like even from the early the early stuff that's

645
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: happening there, you've got individual and even groups of people

646
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 3: who are attempting to come forward, let's say, to a

647
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 3: doctor to say, hey, something is wrong here, right going

648
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: to a water treatment plants, like something is wrong with

649
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: this water, something is wrong with this creek, something is

650
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: wrong with this But there's no real full answer for

651
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: a while there.

652
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just to add the strontium and cow's milk thing.

653
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: It was as a result of numerous other nuclear tests

654
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 4: that were happening, you know in Middle America.

655
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and the consequences would prove inevitable. Right, everything

656
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: led you to me, says cancer. They would take time

657
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: to become fully apparent, because again, this is not like dysentery.

658
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: This is not like other outbreaks that are readily visible

659
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: over a short time window. This is something that takes

660
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: years to notice and then takes, as we'll see, decades

661
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: to acknowledge because the powers the bee often cover them up.

662
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: And I don't usually love using the phrase the powers

663
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: that be, but in this case it is fairly accurate.

664
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: When elephants make war, it is the grass that suffers,

665
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: goes the old proverb, right, and we want to go

666
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: to something that's often cited in this conversation from Saint

667
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: Louis Magazine by the journalist Ray Hartman in twenty thirteen.

668
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: He sums up the situation perfectly. He says, for most

669
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: of the past seven decades, authorities didn't appear to make

670
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: a serious effort to get rid of the waste. That's true, Ray.

671
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: In recent years, he continues. The government has made a

672
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: fair amount of cleanup progress, but as recently as late

673
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: April twenty thirteen, the US Army Corps of Engineers indicated

674
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: there is more testing and more removal to be done.

675
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: So even in the modern era, the federal government is saying,

676
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: not only do we have to do our best to

677
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: try to get rid of some of this stuff, but

678
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: we also don't know how much stuff there is to

679
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: get rid of, which is damning.

680
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

681
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: And then.

682
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 4: This is the worst part.

683
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: It's the effects because human beings, children, adults, elderly folks,

684
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 3: everybody is exhibiting weird stuff going on. In particular cancer,

685
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: different types of cancer, because remember cancer isn't just one thing, right.

686
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: Cancer can happen anywhere in the body, different types of cancers,

687
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: different ways sells morph and then grow, and it's tough

688
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: to pin down one particular thing. So you've got some

689
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: of these huge studies we're going to talk about that

690
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: look at such a range of different cancers.

691
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: Oh and this is the other surprising thing, and I

692
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: love that you're bringing this up. A lot of the

693
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: cancer that are occurred at unprecedented rates. By the way,

694
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: in the cold water Creek communities. These are very rare

695
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: cancers in medical literature. These are things that are a

696
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: dark lottery ordinarily, the kind of stuff that would be

697
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff such that if you had a

698
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: population of five thousand in a town and only two

699
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: people had this specific type of cancer, you would be

700
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: baffled and you would need to dig deeper. That's how

701
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: rare a lot of these cancers are.

702
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 4: When with all the disparate types of cancers and symptoms

703
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: that we're talking about here, it's almost the kind of

704
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: thing that could be limped in with the sorts of

705
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: syndromes we've been talking about recently, like Havana syndrome and

706
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 4: the mysterious brain disease and where was that that was

707
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: also somewhere in the midwek crust disease was in Canada,

708
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 4: i think. But in any case, it's easy to spin

709
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 4: this into like, well, is this really connected to something

710
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: bad that we did?

711
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: Right? And people are still at this point not to

712
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: be all hill and knowlton about it, but people are

713
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: still at this point trying to wage a bit of

714
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: a silent information war and cover things up. This is

715
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: ignored by the mainstream press for quite a while, and

716
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: we're talking not just rare cancers, we're talking to autoimmune disorders,

717
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: other as you said, no mysterious illnesses. Studies start pouring.

718
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: In and as they're doing these studies, the one thing

719
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: in common that they found, right, is that these are

720
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: people who grew up specifically near Cold Water Creek, but

721
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 3: not just like in the area, but near.

722
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: The creek, right right near the creek.

723
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: And also originally they start looking at people who were

724
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: born or spend time there in a specific window of years.

725
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: Right, and I believe they're finding it to be more

726
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 4: prevalent in boy is who had more of a likelihood

727
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: of playing in the creek, splashing around, rough housing, you know,

728
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: in the creek when they were kids.

729
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

730
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: En of particular interest to us is the infamous Saint

731
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: Louis baby tooth later life health study. Weird it is,

732
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: but it's really good science, and that's important. It's solid science.

733
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: This is inarguable research. This is not speculation. This is

734
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: not dare I say, a couple of pals kicking it

735
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: on a podcast. They go deep into what we call

736
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: some longitudinal studies. They're analyzing baby teeth from Saint Louis

737
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: from the surrounding Coldwater Creek community to science that we're

738
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: pointing that out that their mission is to learn how

739
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: locals have been exposed to any radioactive isotopes over time,

740
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: and it turns out teeth are great for this, which

741
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: is maybe a second act for the tooth fairy there.

742
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: Let's point out as well that they're excellent research, which

743
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: you can read in depth on the website, notes that

744
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: all this stuff that can get dismissed as academic or

745
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: abstract science, it can have a real impact on policy,

746
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 2: It can have a real impact upon day to day lives.

747
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: We're also going to get to some public champions and

748
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: Facebook groups as we continue. But there's one quote we

749
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: had to mention from the website, none other than the

750
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: President of the United States at the time, John Fitzgerald

751
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: Kennedy cited this research into baby teeth and radioactive exposure

752
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: when he signed the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in

753
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three.

754
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: Wow.

755
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a huge deal, just so just to

756
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: show that even at those levels of the executive branch,

757
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 3: it's acknowledged that this is a real problem and we

758
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: can't allow this kind of thing to continue because of

759
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: how bad it is. Yeah, if you jump back to

760
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: that study and really dive into it has been as suggesting,

761
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: and we certainly hope you do. You can find writing

762
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: on a lot of places, but it's very interesting to

763
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: see specifically how rates of cancer increase as you get

764
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: closer and closer in the Saint Louis Greater area to

765
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: that creek. It's crazy to see it written out like

766
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: this and just imagining, just imagining how unaware people were

767
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: as it's happening. I think that's maybe the most terrifying thing.

768
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 4: And we're talking about the new Ish study as well,

769
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: that was released on JAMA.

770
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what one I'm looking at. It's written this well,

771
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 3: this one is written about at least when I'm looking

772
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: at in the th H. Chan School of Public Health

773
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: from Harvard, Harvard in July.

774
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five, right, And that's the one that I

775
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: was pointing to about the incidents of males being more

776
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 4: likely to have been exposed because of you know, all

777
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: of that stuff about kids playing in creeks.

778
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: And the research continues today. That is very important. This

779
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: is an ongoing this is an ongoing investigation, you know,

780
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: for the good people at Coldwater Creek. This led to

781
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: genuine concern. As the work got out, the science was

782
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: coming in, things were being acknowledged, and there's no wonder

783
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: why people are concerned this type of cancer, these rare

784
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: types of cancer, they do not occur at this prevalence

785
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: in the natural world. There has to be another variable.

786
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: That variable is the radioactive waste and the dump sites.

787
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: In a very real way, Uncle Sam by hook or

788
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: by crook killing innocent people. There's just no way around it.

789
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 4: No, there's not, and not to like, you know, like

790
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: Uncle Sam needs an adda boy. But there was legislation

791
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 4: that expired last year called the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act

792
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 4: that ultimately paid out around two point six billion dollars

793
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 4: to folks who were exposed and sickened by radiation from

794
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: either exposure in their environments or you know, some of

795
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: the people that we were talking about that could have

796
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 4: been considered victims who were moving some of this stuff

797
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 4: to these sites, mining operations, et cetera. You know, hauling

798
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 4: uranium to Nevada test sites and things like that. And

799
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 4: in the recent big beautiful bill that was passed, which

800
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 4: had a lot of stuff in it, there's one part

801
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: of it that I didn't know anything about. That was

802
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: sponsored by Joshua Holly from Missouri. And that is a

803
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: kind of new reinstatement of something very similar to that

804
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: Radiation Exposure Compensation Act that would payments of twenty five

805
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 4: grand of families of people who died as a result

806
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 4: of this, or fifty thousand dollars to those who developed

807
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 4: cancers and survived.

808
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: Right. And how much of that will end up going

809
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: to the medical cost that's, you.

810
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: Know, certainly a big part of what it's intended for, right, Yes.

811
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: And we know that this may of Pulpa may come

812
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: a dollar short, a day late, because government records clearly

813
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: show that radioactive waste was known to pose a threat

814
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: to people living near Coldwater Creek. Get this as early

815
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: as nineteen forty nine, Good god, as early as nineteen

816
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: forty nine, we made the devil's bargain for the greater good.

817
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: That's horrifying. May at least they're getting forty million dollars

818
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six.

819
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: Sure, twenty twenty six off to a heck of a run.

820
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: We're recording this on Friday, January sixteenth. Gosh, January sixteenth,

821
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: what a year already?

822
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: How is it this far into it, you're already I

823
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: know different.

824
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: This is some eccentricity coming out. But have you, guys

825
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: ever had the moment where you wish you could just

826
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: do a fast forward or like hold down a button

827
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: in real life and skip the cut scene.

828
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd be cool.

829
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 2: It'd be kind of cool.

830
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: Yeah that said, I told you, guysn't watching X Files again.

831
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: I watch the intro every time.

832
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: I love the intro. I watched the Twilight z Owe

833
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: intro every time, the X Files intro. I sometimes watch

834
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: them back to back. I might have an issue.

835
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's the only thing I really associate with that,

836
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: like fast forward thing, skip the segment around.

837
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: You don't skip the cut scenes in video games?

838
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: No, no, my god, well okay, first place, no game plus.

839
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: And off Mike, we were talking about another really cool

840
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: sci fi show called Dark. Many folks might be familiar

841
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 4: with German language show that also involves nuclear waste and

842
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 4: some of the more sci fi tiny whimy things that

843
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: it could potentially cause. And I never skipped the intro

844
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: to that because it is gorgeous, the h I love

845
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: the intros, mirror image things, and it's just really, really

846
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: well done.

847
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: Intros are ritualized. They're so important. They key you in,

848
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: they get into your brain. They're like appetizers at a restaurant,

849
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, wet the palette.

850
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: That's a good one.

851
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: I also have uh, of course, uh true detective right. Uh,

852
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: that's that's a banger. And you know the best part

853
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: of nineties and eighties sitcoms. No offense to the writers

854
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: if you're tuning in, but the best part was the intro.

855
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: Always the introthetic. Yeah, explain the whole premise, like, here's

856
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: a horse and he could talk, or more appropriately, uh,

857
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: here's a here's a weird British butler.

858
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 3: How did too many cooks?

859
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: To many cooks? And so it wasn't until December of

860
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine that the US Department of Energy officially

861
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: confirmed the presence of radioactive waste in Coldwater Creek.

862
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: And that's when the super Fund eight situation came into

863
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 4: play across the country.

864
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same year, the EPA finally designated these Coldwater

865
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: dump sites into the Superfund program. There have been tons

866
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: of lawsuits. There are several that are grinding on into

867
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: the modern day. We shouted out some some of the

868
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: You know, we give social media a hard time on

869
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Speaker 2: this show, and not without validity, but social media can

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Speaker 2: do good things. And one of the good things social

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00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: media has done is uniting residents of Coldwater Creek to

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Speaker 2: be able to communicate what has happened. Uh in there

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Speaker 2: in there lived on the ground experience, which I think

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Speaker 2: is a tremendously important thing.

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Speaker 4: Which you found as well as I did through a

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Speaker 4: friend of mine who's in a born and bred Saint

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Speaker 4: Louis native. A group it's called Just Mom's st L

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Speaker 4: which had some really great local perspective and an incredible,

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00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: very moving video that they produced with some perspective and

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Speaker 4: commentary from mothers of you know, children who were affected

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Speaker 4: by this kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: And you can also see Facebook groups like Coldwater Creek

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Speaker 2: Just the Facts Please There There. There are multiple groups

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Speaker 2: out there, and we we want to emphasize that the

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Speaker 2: stories don't stop when the headline stop, you know, the

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Speaker 2: stories don't stop when the zeitgeist shifts in one direction

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Speaker 2: to another. This is not a podcast sponsored by the

888
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: band one direction, but we do need to mention it's

889
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 2: worth it's your time to learn more about this stuff.

890
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: It's worth our time, and the question eternally becomes what

891
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: does this mean for the future. Malancrat pharmaceuticals still around,

892
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: still in the game, and thankfully so are the good

893
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: people of Coldwater Creek. For sure.

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Speaker 3: Everybody needs those minerals.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, man, that's the game is great

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Speaker 2: and the game continues.

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Speaker 3: Oh hey, something good here, guys. The study that came

898
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Speaker 3: out of Harvard recently last year is being written about

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Speaker 3: in July. It was funded by the National Institutes of Health.

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Speaker 3: So that's just a reminder sometimes government science funding is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, we were talking about that previously. I

902
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: can't remember what show was on. We were talking about

903
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: FDA cuts and up to Seclaire and the jungle. You know,

904
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: should go into the grocery store, be like rolling the dice.

905
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: What's in that can?

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Speaker 4: Is it beans?

907
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 2: Is it a finger?

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Speaker 4: We were also talking about transparency in terms of pharmaceutical

909
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Speaker 4: manufacturing and some rewards showing really awful jungle esque conditions

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Speaker 4: in some of these factories that make generic drugs.

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Speaker 2: And I've been starting this list you guys of authors

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Speaker 2: that warned us that I think would be disappointed if

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Speaker 2: they came back. Now. Upton Sinclair's on the list. I

914
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Speaker 2: don't know if we should talk to George orwell, because

915
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Speaker 2: he might be a little too mug. He might be

916
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: a little smug about it.

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00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 4: Can well be he might.

918
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Speaker 2: Be a little bit like reading a Pitchfork review which

919
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: you agree with that well deserved.

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Speaker 4: I know we have to play dumb question.

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Speaker 3: Is Upton Sinclair it could happen here? Or is that

922
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: a different guy who did it could happen here?

923
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Speaker 2: Sinclair? Lewis it can't happen here?

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Speaker 3: Oh ah, it's I got the title wrong. It's it

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Speaker 3: can't happen here. It could happen here. It's a different show.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, bye. Our good friend of the show, the

927
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: legendary Robert Evans, bills himself as the only Robert Evans,

928
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 2: and we have chosen to believe him in that regard.

929
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Speaker 2: If you dig us, you'll also dig his show. Behind

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Speaker 2: the Bastard. You can catch us appearing on there every

931
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Speaker 2: so often. There are Netflix now, and there are Netflix Now.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the team.

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Speaker 2: Thank you again, by the way, to our fellow conspiracy

934
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Speaker 2: realist kill Deer, as well as to the countless members

935
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Speaker 2: of our crew who reached out to help us with

936
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Speaker 2: this episode. The tireless advocates, parents, locals, lawyers, champions, activists,

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00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: and more who continue to fight for justice right now

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. This proves that some conspiracies are

939
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 2: not just conspiracy theories. Some conspiracies are true. The US

940
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: government actively covered up traces of its sins. And if

941
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: we take nothing else away from this, let's ask ourselves

942
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Speaker 2: what else is the stuff they don't want you to know?

943
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Speaker 2: Tell us find us online, give us an email, call

944
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: us on the phone.

945
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Speaker 4: That's right, you can find us all over the internet

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Speaker 4: at the handle Conspiracy Stuff or Conspiracy Stuff Show, depending

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Speaker 4: on your platform of choice. And there's another way to

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Speaker 4: get in touch with us as well, isn't there Matt?

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, we have a phone number. It is one

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Speaker 3: can do. Oh yes, send us an awesome email.

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Speaker 2: Be well aware yet I'd afraid sometimes the void writes back.

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