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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, what's going on in your girl? Trika Foster Brassby.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Y'all?

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Speaker 3: All is your girls?

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Speaker 4: Cheryl swoops Hey, and this is the levels to this podcast.

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Speaker 4: This is the show where we talk about the levels

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Speaker 4: to the ship that women go through.

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Speaker 2: And Cheryl, I'm going through.

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Speaker 4: Some ship right now, are you? I am?

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 1: I'm not dismissing that, but I have to say this

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Speaker 1: because you know I'm gonna be petty.

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Speaker 3: I bet you you ain't going through as much shit

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Speaker 3: as Kathy. All Right.

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Speaker 2: The ship I'm going through is just my team is losing.

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Speaker 4: Going through She about to lose her job, and that's

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Speaker 4: a totally different different situation.

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Speaker 3: I was being petty, you know, I had to be petty.

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Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 4: So much has happened over the last year, I mean

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Speaker 4: year down.

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Speaker 2: So much has happened over the last year.

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Speaker 4: It's been twenty four hours, though that's the same type

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Speaker 4: of year. It's been twenty four hours and We're definitely

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Speaker 4: gonna get way into this and a lot more when

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Speaker 4: we go to the next level with a special guest

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Speaker 4: that I'm very excited to have joining us today.

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Speaker 2: But girl, where were you?

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Speaker 4: I feel I feel like people be like, where were

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Speaker 4: you when such and such happened?

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Speaker 2: Years?

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Speaker 4: So now too, ask where were you when the FISA

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Speaker 4: let the chopper spray?

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Speaker 3: So I'm so so.

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Speaker 1: I literally was sitting getting ready to sit in my

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Speaker 1: chair to get my petticure and my mandicure and my

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Speaker 1: nails done. Mm hmm girl, and I put my headphones in,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm like, let's fee, Let's see what

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Speaker 1: she has to say.

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Speaker 3: Hm hm hm.

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Speaker 1: I told my nail tech, I said hello, amen. Because

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Speaker 1: I needed my hands, I had to cover.

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Speaker 3: My mouth.

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Speaker 4: Clap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Girl, I don't even know what to say except about

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Speaker 1: damn time. That's what I'll say. That's what I'm gonna saying.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So, and then it.

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Speaker 1: Took somebody liked Fee to be that one it did

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Speaker 1: it did to say enough is enough.

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Speaker 2: To say enough is enough. I am.

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Speaker 4: I was doing exactly what I'm doing right now, which

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Speaker 4: is watching Tigers baseball, and I cut w NBA out

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Speaker 4: of my life for two hours two and a half

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Speaker 4: because I said, I cannot focus on WNBA when I

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Speaker 4: ain't watching postseason baseball and I'm trying to get my

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Speaker 4: Tigers to the next round, right, And I just kept seeing.

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Speaker 2: On my Twitter he said what Fee did?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, damn, I don't want to look because

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Speaker 2: But what the hell did he say? They got my Twitter?

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Speaker 3: This girl.

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Speaker 4: When I looked and read that ship, I said, oh my.

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Speaker 2: God, like, this is what I want to hear at

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Speaker 2: an exit interview. So there are so many things.

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Speaker 4: And at the same time that that was going on,

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Speaker 4: and fire Chris go Clinton.

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Speaker 2: Think what nobody snuck that in?

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Speaker 4: He snuck that in around five o'clock where people was

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Speaker 2: What people said, still talking about peg and.

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Speaker 4: Then Kathy didn't released hersir So, girl, they didn't snuck

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Speaker 4: that shit in. I said, there all, y'all are Usually

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Speaker 4: the w NBA is messy on Monday, but y'all turned

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is turn up Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Oh girl.

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Speaker 3: And we hadn't even gotten to the game.

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Speaker 2: Yet we ain't ain't got it again.

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Speaker 3: All of this before the fever day.

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Speaker 4: This was before the game five, an elimination game actually

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Speaker 2: I could not deal with the w NBA on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: It was too much.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know I needed that on my Tuesday, but

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Speaker 2: We needed that. It was much needed. It was much needed.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 4: At this point, you know, I feel like so many

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Speaker 4: people have said so many different things and have gone

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Speaker 4: into so many different reasons as to what and what and.

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Speaker 2: How and how, But it ain't real until t and

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Speaker 2: Ryl get on it.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

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Speaker 1: I know, sorry, because I'm stop you right now, like

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Speaker 1: I soa can hear your baseball game?

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Speaker 2: Can you really? Oh my god, I didn't even realize.

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Speaker 4: Oh girl, First of all, I hear it all. I

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Speaker 4: feel like we should keep this in the show your

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Speaker 4: faceball I fix so you know what, because you just

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Speaker 4: said what you were doing was doing it, and but

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Speaker 4: I was like, I could hear it.

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Speaker 2: I can't hear damn you know I didn't.

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Speaker 4: It didn't even dawn on me that I had not

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Speaker 4: put the television on mute. See it's all right, you know,

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Speaker 4: I need to mute that ship anyway, because the side

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Speaker 4: to biss me off to day, I don't need to

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Speaker 2: I don't need to hear that game no more. I

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Speaker 2: need to turn it off. Maybe maybe it's me. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm the problem.

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Speaker 4: Sure, maybe it's maybe because I'm watching, this is why

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're the problem, but but I

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Speaker 1: am that way. Sometimes It's like if I'm cheering for

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Speaker 3: I'm like, ahh is that me? Ladies?

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Speaker 2: Were you superstitious as a player?

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Speaker 3: I think so?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, yeah I was. I had to do I

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Speaker 1: had to do certain things before every game. I had

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Speaker 1: to eat my certain like my Snickers and Doctor Pepper

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Speaker 1: like I had to have that before every game I.

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Speaker 4: Did.

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Speaker 2: That is quite a combination, I know.

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Speaker 1: But I also like I also got ready the same

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Speaker 3: That was Yeah, I guess it was.

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Speaker 2: You strike me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but it's way too much other stuff to

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you right, but because you know, a Cathy

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Speaker 4: better be superstitious. Maybe she has her person on the floor.

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Speaker 4: Maybe she walked up under a load of a cat

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Or maybe or or maybe you.

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Speaker 1: Talking about how players should be grateful and thankful and

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Speaker 1: get on their knees and how you don't never mind,

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Speaker 1: I won't even get into all of that.

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Speaker 2: We're about to get into all of that right now.

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Speaker 4: So at this point we're gonna go ahead and take

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Speaker 4: this thing to the next level. So, guys, there was

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Speaker 4: no way that Sheryl and I could have this conversation

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Speaker 4: the shananigans that we about to do for the next

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Speaker 4: twenty minutes. And none better than my girl holding it

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Speaker 4: down at NBC Natalie Esquire and what's up?

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Speaker 2: Net Oh.

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Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for you guys to have me on

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Speaker 4: on this very busy day before we get head to

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Speaker 4: the WNBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: I know it was good.

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Speaker 1: Not listen, I have to say this because you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a hair girl, and T knows that me

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Speaker 1: and T we go talking about hair all the time.

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Speaker 1: And Sis, let me just tell you the hair is hairing. Yes, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: I need that.

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Speaker 5: I need that clip because let me go side. My

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Speaker 5: hair is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she pushed it up on it a week ago,

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Speaker 4: she had the bangs going on.

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Speaker 2: I said, who is this new girl? Excuse me? I

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Speaker 2: do have a.

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Speaker 4: Little bob looked like you ryl. The only thing is

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Speaker 4: I have some bangs.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know. I missed my curly hair so quick.

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Speaker 5: But I might, I might. I might go back to

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Speaker 5: the bangs in the bar a little bit for the finals.

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Speaker 4: So Natalie, what exactly like was your hair standing up

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Speaker 4: on the back of your head when you heard that

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Speaker 3: For sure?

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Speaker 5: For sure?

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Speaker 4: She she she dropped some some some I don't even

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Speaker 4: know what you described the ether on us and then

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Speaker 4: all of it, it literally all of it. It was

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Speaker 4: one of those things. Before you got on the show,

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Speaker 4: I asked, Suro, where were you when Nafisa dropped the bomb?

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Speaker 2: So now where were you when the bomb was dropped?

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Speaker 4: I was at the crib, But I was trying to

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Speaker 4: crazy day today. You know, we weren't going to know

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Speaker 4: the outcome of the finals, so I'm trying to like

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Speaker 4: pull things together, just like that we have to do

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Speaker 4: in terms of packaging, packing, and just.

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Speaker 5: You know, you're gonna be away. We're gonna be away

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Speaker 5: for a while. And all of.

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Speaker 4: A sudden, like my phone is blowing up and people

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Speaker 5: And like before I heard the.

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Speaker 4: Full video, the full opening statement, I saw like some

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Speaker 4: so when I got the full video, I said, oh,

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Speaker 4: oh okay, yes, yes, So let's talk about some of

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Speaker 4: the things that he said in this, in this, in

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Speaker 4: this quote, in this, in this opening soliloquy. One of

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Speaker 4: the things, a couple of things that I think everybody

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Speaker 4: thinks stood out is obviously the conversation with Kathy that

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Speaker 4: took place at unrival right, And this conversation taking place

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Speaker 4: that Unrivaled, which, mind you, Unrivaled happens January February, and

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Speaker 4: it's October, so already there are folks questioning, like, well,

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Speaker 4: why is this conversation coming out now in October instead

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Speaker 4: of having come out at the beginning of the year

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Speaker 4: when this was initially said. But we will get there

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Speaker 4: to that point in one second. But despite the timing,

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Speaker 4: we're talking about the officiating in which all of us

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Speaker 4: have had questions about the officiating. Kathy's response is only

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Speaker 4: losers complain about the officiating. Then she's talking about platforms.

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Speaker 4: Then we started talking about pay raises, and Kathy's taking

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Speaker 4: credit saying we need to be thinking, you're lucky stars

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Speaker 4: that I've got the media deal that.

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Speaker 2: I got for y'all.

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Speaker 4: On your knees, on your knees, Yes on your knees,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you you you got that because of you.

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Speaker 4: To open this question up for both of you because

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Speaker 4: gotta Laynadella don Like I don't even know if she

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Speaker 2: From her, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Like, so there's the there's the human element.

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Speaker 4: You got you got Angel mccawtrey coming out the Woolworth saying, listen,

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Speaker 4: if they find Fee, I pay it for you, like,

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Speaker 4: don't even worry about it, because that's that Figa Fia

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Speaker 4: Of all the things, that were said yesterday. What stood

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that means all of it.

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Speaker 1: But listen, here's when she started with this because I

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Speaker 3: Well, it started with Cheryl when she was like, I

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Speaker 1: I have questioned that, But it wasn't until a player,

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Speaker 1: all the things to finally say, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: Enough is enough and it's time.

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Speaker 3: That we bring it out.

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Speaker 1: Somebody text me and said, well, why is she snitching?

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't look at this as snitching.

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Speaker 1: I look at this as her finally saying, Kathy, let

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Speaker 3: And Kathy didn't deny it.

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Speaker 4: Kathy didn't deny it. Like that's what fucked me up.

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Speaker 4: I was like, you ain't even gonna be like, nah,

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Speaker 4: I ain't say that.

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Speaker 5: She said, famous characterized.

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Speaker 4: She said, you mischaracterized my statement. What that means, Cheryl?

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Speaker 2: What that means? Because you know what that sounded like

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Speaker 4: That sounded like to me when people say, no, you

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Speaker 5: Yes, you did that wrong one.

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Speaker 4: He took that the wrong way. And I'm just in

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Speaker 2: Because this is what I think.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 4: I can't say this on on on traditional TV, but

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Speaker 2: I can see it on levels to this, Okay.

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Speaker 4: This sounds like fee. This sounds like fee and get Kathy.

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Speaker 4: They had a conversation where they were shooting the ship

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Speaker 4: And really, will you think might be your friend ain't

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Speaker 2: And so now the shit that you thought was.

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Speaker 4: Going to stay between y'all has now been released to

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Speaker 4: if things were different, if maybe you didn't get injured,

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Speaker 4: would the same thing come out.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it will or at won't.

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Speaker 2: In January, and that unrivaled and it's October.

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Speaker 4: But regardless of what this sound like, y'all said this

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Speaker 4: And somebody finally said, nah, homie, I was never really

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Speaker 4: be grateful for you, you know, And I don't know we

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure we'll learn more, and I'm sure

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Speaker 4: She just talked about the human, you know, relations side

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Speaker 5: And then also when you recall that Neka is on

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Speaker 4: That the commissioner told her that she doesn't know business

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Speaker 5: And then they right the league just put out like

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Speaker 4: So I feel like I don't know that this was

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Speaker 5: She does.

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Speaker 4: And the smart business woman that I think the FISA

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Speaker 5: That's what a shrewd business person does.

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Speaker 4: So like I get that people asking questions right now

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Speaker 5: You hold that.

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Speaker 4: But if you get to a place where it's an

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 4: I think my only counter to that, which is a

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Speaker 4: since we can't negotiate in good faith, let me show

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Speaker 4: you what we got.

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Speaker 2: And so that's all I mean.

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Speaker 4: Like, I'm not necessarily saying that there was an intent

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Speaker 2: I personally don't believe that.

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Speaker 4: I'm only suggesting that it is not an unfair criticism

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Speaker 3: And te I agree with you on that.

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Speaker 1: I think some of it too had to do with

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I don't think Kathy ever thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: if he is my friend, I can have a conversation

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Speaker 1: with her, it's gonna stay here. Kathy was being exactly

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how I feel, what I think.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, what are you

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark should be thankful that she has the WNBA,

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Speaker 3: Caitlyn, I'm like, of all people.

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Speaker 1: And then to say of all people, right, sorry, and

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Speaker 3: Me up, who are you talking to? Who? Who? On

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Speaker 6: Wir ah ma'am, ma'am, Because I feel that though, because

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Speaker 4: Quite literally did all of the work to even make

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Speaker 2: And she don't know.

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day to be so

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Speaker 4: I do think that in the six years that Kathy

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Speaker 4: ain't did shit to to be like you should be

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Speaker 2: What woman? If again, I I if.

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Speaker 4: She said those things, those were that's that's that's that's

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Speaker 4: egregious for sure.

450
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Speaker 3: You know, sorry for you.

451
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry Natalie, because I want to respond to Tea

452
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Speaker 1: to say, if she said those things, you had an

453
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: opportunity to to to say, no, that that's not how

454
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: that conversation went, or I didn't say that, or no

455
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: that never came out of my mouth.

456
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Speaker 3: That's not what you said. What you said was I

457
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: have the utmost respect for An, the feast of Callier,

458
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 3: and for all the players in the WNBA. Together, we

459
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 3: have all worked tirelessly to transform this league. My focus

460
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 3: remains on ensuring a bright future for the players in

461
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Speaker 3: the WNBA, including collect on how we continue to elevate

462
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: the game. So to me, that statement says, yeah, you

463
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: said it.

464
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 4: I'm only being I'm only being a fair journalist and

465
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 4: saying that I do not know your words exactly. So

466
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 4: I am not gonna say you said it exactly like that,

467
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 4: because I don't know exactly how you said it. But again,

468
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 4: you ain't denied whether it was paraphrase or not. You

469
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 4: ain't denied that you said it. So I'm gonna say

470
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: if you said it like that, because I don't know

471
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Speaker 4: how you said it. But you ain't denied that that

472
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: conversation happened at all, and you ain't denied.

473
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Speaker 2: That those were the sentiments of whatever it was that

474
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Speaker 2: you did say.

475
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Speaker 4: So again to tell me that the FEASTA mischaracterized You're

476
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 4: surprised and disappointed that she characterized your words like that.

477
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: I'm surprised, and, when not surprised, disappointed that you fixed

478
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: y'all mof to say it in the first place, because

479
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: what other context can somebody say.

480
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 2: That shit in and mean it any differently?

481
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Speaker 5: Agreed?

482
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 4: And that's you know, when I keep hearing the we

483
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: need more contacts, I'm just like, I'm struggling to understand

484
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 4: the context that's going to make any of those remarks

485
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Speaker 4: acceptable and right. And also like here's the thing, because

486
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 4: you know, some people are like, well, how do we know?

487
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 4: And it's one, you know, one person's side versus another.

488
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is this is how it goes. You know,

489
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Like y'all, I'm a lawyer, so I always

490
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 4: go back to like my legal ways. But this is

491
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: no different than a litigation. This is no different than

492
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 4: when I conducted investigations. It's always one person's word versus another. Yeah,

493
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: And what you have to do is you make a

494
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: credibility determination, right, and so it's do you believe fee

495
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: I do based on And she said that she said

496
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Speaker 4: hopefully she's built up enough essentially credibility. She said that

497
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Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing her, but in her in that four minute statement,

498
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 4: she said that like basically that she's built up the

499
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Speaker 4: good will that you can believe her and trust her

500
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Speaker 4: on what she's saying, and I agree she has. The

501
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: FISA Collier is a very measured person, like I'm sure Terika,

502
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: like myself, you've had the chance to talk to her,

503
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 4: interview her like, she honestly.

504
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 5: Gives you very like PC corporate type answers to questions.

505
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: For no FISA Collier to get up there and say

506
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 4: this and do this. She was prepared, she was calculated,

507
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 4: and I don't mean that in a negative way, right, Yes,

508
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: and she was measured, Okay, so she thought about this.

509
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: She did something unprecedented, Terika. You've been in the space

510
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: for a long time, right, You've seen all the posts

511
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: by all the different media members, journalists, whether it be

512
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: in woman's sports, whether it be outside of women's sports.

513
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Speaker 4: You mentioned all the players who are supporting her. We

514
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 4: even see NBA players supporting her, right, yes, Kyrie Irving others.

515
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: The thing about it is that everyone is like, we've

516
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: never seen this before. We've never seen this in sports before,

517
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 4: in any kind of league. So what she did was

518
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 4: so unprecedented. I don't think the FISA Collier is going

519
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: to do that just to make up something about someone.

520
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 5: And if Yathy feels like her words and I.

521
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 4: Know this as someone who used to advise businesses and

522
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: help with reputation management when you said some inappropriate comments.

523
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 4: This is the kind of statement you get what Kathy released, right,

524
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 4: because you want to try to make something like, well,

525
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: it wasn't like that, fully, but there's also some truth

526
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 4: to it where you can't just flat out deny it.

527
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: You cannot just say I didn't say that, right, So fine, Kathy,

528
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 4: I want to hear your version of what happened, and

529
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: you have the opportunity to do that, so you can't

530
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Speaker 4: necessarily do it in a statement, But I'm sure that

531
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Speaker 4: you're going to be asked about it during these WNBA finals,

532
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 4: and I hope that she is prepared to give us

533
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: a statement, because if we're supposed to take her account

534
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: into consideration, that she has to give us her version

535
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: of how those conversations played out and what she said

536
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: and what is the mischaracteration that he did, so we

537
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: can understand girl. On top of that, Cheryl, they said

538
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: a I did it, girl, A I wrote that statement.

539
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: Would have been better than that chat g better than that.

540
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 4: Chat GPT would have told that statement up, Okay, we'd

541
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 4: have been like, damn ain't no, Kathy, ain't never spoke that.

542
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: Will, and then to have players like a D. D.

543
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Speaker 1: Tierpoint come out and say, oh h yeah, I don't

544
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: even know if Kathy knows I'm retired because I haven't

545
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: heard from her. Haven't heard There have been so many players,

546
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: current and former, who.

547
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: Have had so many.

548
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: Things to say about this commissioner. I'll just leave it

549
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: at well.

550
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: I will say this very last thing before we move

551
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: on to the next thing. There are some people in

552
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: the League office who I adore, honestly, like there are

553
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: some people in the League office who I think are

554
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 4: great people, great human beings. They work their tails off,

555
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: they do what they're asked to do, and I am

556
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to characterize every single person and that

557
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 4: who works in the front office or who works at

558
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 4: the league level as someone who does this that in

559
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: the third because it's just it's just not true, right,

560
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna so I'm not gonna do that.

561
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 4: But overall, the decision makers, when they come to the

562
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: table and they have these conversations with the players Union

563
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: and the representatives on the union and on the Executive Committee,

564
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: y'all gonna have to find a way to save face

565
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: because these women already had us. Must have seed, a faith,

566
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: and your ability to negotiate, not as must have seed

567
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 4: and dwindled. Child. They ain't got no confidence in y'all.

568
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: They don't have no faith in y'all. They have already

569
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: told y'all how they feel, and they have now put

570
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: y'all on blasts to the point where you're really gonna

571
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: have to bring something like the leverage that these women

572
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 4: had that has doubled at this point, like it has

573
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: doubled at this point based off this move by Fee

574
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: and if for nothing else, And today we made a

575
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: statement supporting her.

576
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: Asia made a statement.

577
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: Last night after the game supporting her, like these are

578
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: the superstars of the superstars in the league today. There's

579
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 4: nothing that the WNBA can do at this point to

580
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: say face other than continue to actually negotiate in good

581
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: faith because they have literally lost their leverage. Now, the

582
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 4: next part of this conversation is rumor has it Kathy

583
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: might be stepping down after.

584
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: The CBA negotiation? Do you or do you not believe it?

585
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: My question, why does it have to be after CBA negotiation?

586
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: That's the rumor?

587
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And I'm not being funny. I'm just

588
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Like, I mean, I saw that too.

589
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: There are several people who have reached out to the

590
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: league for comment, and of course the league has responded

591
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: with it's not true, it's cat, it's it's we don't

592
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: know where these things are coming from. But the initial

593
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: report that I saw came from Sports Business Journal, and

594
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: Sports Business Journal is a pretty reputable organization that you

595
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 4: usually are spot on with the things that they report,

596
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: so I would find it a bit difficult to think

597
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: that they would not be accurate in their reporting.

598
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: But here's the here's the other thing.

599
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: As a as a former player, it's it's hard to

600
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: play in a league for a commissioner that you don't like,

601
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: that you don't trust, that you don't feel has the

602
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: interest of the players. I just don't know what it

603
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: looks like moving forward if she remains in that seat. Yeah,

604
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: because as a player, I don't trust you. Yeah, I

605
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: don't like you.

606
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: You can't.

607
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing you can say to me that's going to

608
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: make me change my mind on how I feel about

609
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: you and what I see. The lack of care, the

610
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: lack of empathy, the lack of concern, right, like, just

611
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: based off of what Fee said yesterday and then seeing

612
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Kathy's response, it's like you got it backwards. Yeah, you

613
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: work for the players. The players don't work for you.

614
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: Technically she worked for the owners, which is all all

615
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: that even worse, which makes it even worse.

616
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: But to me, that makes it even worse.

617
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: Like and no, it does. I agree with that.

618
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: It makes it even worse because we've we have a

619
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: very recent example of ownership who found out the hard

620
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: way what it means when you think that you do

621
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: and and don't value the people who work for you,

622
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 4: when you don't value your team. Kelly found out real quick.

623
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: She found out real quick what happens and how that's

624
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: not a thing. And I think the other part of

625
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 4: that before we you know in this here is at

626
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 4: some point Adam Silver in the NBA is going to

627
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: have to like because there's a lot of puppeteering that's

628
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: happening that people don't really want to respect and talk about.

629
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: And I say it all the time. As much as

630
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: Kathy do do some crazy stuff, sometimes she gets a

631
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 4: lot of the grunt at times that really ain't her

632
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: and folks aren't really directing their anger at the right people.

633
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: Now, this situation was her, but as it relates to.

634
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: Some other things from CBA negotiations and why you know,

635
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: needles move and don't move. I'm gonna needed some people

636
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 4: to put some fire up under Adam Silver in the

637
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: NBA as well, because they have a lot of answers

638
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: that they need to provide to the American people too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

639
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: you know, I think that that. I think that's an

640
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: excellent point. T you know, the issue is that Kathy

641
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: is presented though as the face of you know, the

642
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: w NBA, and so like, you know, if she wants that,

643
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: if she wants the heat to get on Silver, she

644
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: may need to do some leaking of her own to people,

645
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: you know, to get that out there, because she's essentially

646
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: accepted the responsibility of taking that heat and catching that

647
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: flag and being a puppet, if you will, if that's

648
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: the case, and so you know, it's like we can't

649
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: direct something at someone without knowing like, okay, you know,

650
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? So she'll she'll have

651
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 4: to think about how she wants to manage her own

652
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: because what however long she lasts the commissioner, I'm sure

653
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: she wants to have a life after this, and you know,

654
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 4: in a career after this, and you don't necessarily want

655
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 4: to go out leaving and then like your reputation being soiled.

656
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

657
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: So she she needs to think about that for herself individually.

658
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: But the one thing I wanted to say when you

659
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: were talking about like the the whether or not you know,

660
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: the reporting from SBJ and Cheryl, you were saying, like,

661
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: why does it have to be after it's over? You know,

662
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be really important for us

663
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: to like really see how much media attention this gets

664
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 4: as this collective bargaining agreement continues to be negotiated. Because

665
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 4: this is not just for the w NBA. This is

666
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 4: like other women's sports leagues are watching this. This is

667
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: a very big deal right now. And so the longer

668
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: it takes for them to reach an agreement, if it

669
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 4: goes to lock out, the more things that get revealed.

670
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: It could end up being that Kathy gets removed, someone

671
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 4: else gets involved in the negotiations, because the more attention

672
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: that's on it, the more scrutiny it gets, the more

673
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: public pressure it is, you could see things change. So

674
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 4: I believe the reporting of Sportsman's Journal, there are a

675
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: reputable publication. I do know that the league responded and

676
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: said it's not true. But regardless of whether it's true

677
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: or not true, someone else getting involved to help push

678
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: those negotiations along is definitely something that could could end

679
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: up happening.

680
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I agree with that, well, you know, because that t

682
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: before we move on, because that Another thought that I

683
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: had was if if she's sitting down having these types

684
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: of conversations with Fee, how many other players a feast

685
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: Caliber has she also had similar or different conversations with

686
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: the Stewies, the Asias.

687
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: I would almost I don't know.

688
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would put Angel and Caitlin

689
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: in there, right, but Hashi, I just I think.

690
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 3: We I think Fee kind of opened up.

691
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: Something that's going to give more players the confidence to

692
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: speak up.

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00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely going to be It's going to be

695
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: interesting here moving forward, and it will also be interesting

696
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: to see if any retaliation comes from it, because we've

697
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: seen people try to take on the league in the

698
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 4: past and have felt like they've been blacklisted or other

699
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: things like that. I definitely saw a tweet from Dereka Hanby,

700
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 4: who was someone who recently brought a lawsuit against the League,

701
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: and she was like, you know, maybe, as she was saying,

702
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: it's sarcastically, but the point was, you know, she's saying,

703
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe maybe they will blacklist her from brands,

704
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: maybe they'll tell her they don't want to work for

705
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: her anymore, things like that.

706
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: And so it will be interesting.

707
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: To see how this scenario is treated versus others who

708
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: have taken stances against the league and league actions in

709
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: the past, and if there's any similarities or any differences.

710
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 4: But this one last thing I want to touch on

711
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: really quickly is while all this was going on, DA

712
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: List thought they would slick, they gonna slide that Chris

713
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: ko Klannon's dismissal up in here about five o'clock Eastern

714
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 4: time yesterday as if we wasn't going because see A,

715
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 4: we was too busy focused. We was too busy focused

716
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: on feet Kathy that folks ain't really realize that tweet

717
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 4: that went out talking about we dismissed. And you know

718
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 4: who is pettier than all of us, d Jene Carrington,

719
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: because Djane sat there and.

720
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 7: Liked, retweeted, requoted Instagram repo every last ounce of a

721
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 7: tweet of a message of a Grant pic of a

722
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 7: flyer that talked about Chris Leavin Dallas and I yeah.

723
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 2: She did DJH today. You, my girl is hell.

724
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: She did all of that.

725
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: You are petty as hell.

726
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: When we look at all of the coaches that have

727
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: been dismissed, I don't think any of us will say

728
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 4: that there is a surprise. However, were you at all

729
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: surprised by this?

730
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: Natalie, Yes, and no.

731
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: I know that probably doesn't make sense, but it was

732
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: like slightly surprised just because there had been some reporting,

733
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: uh you know, from Front Office Sports that their their

734
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: roles were safe his and also Tyler Marsha's in Chicago.

735
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: So so surprise, and that based on the latest reporting

736
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: it seemed like they weren't going to make that move.

737
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: But obviously, you know, organizations can decide to change their

738
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: mind moving a different direction, and so maybe that's all

739
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: that It is, so not surprised just based on how

740
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: the season went, you know, And like it's also a

741
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: little surprising too because it was just his first season,

742
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 4: and usually first year coaches not always, but they often

743
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: will get at least another year. And when you consider

744
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: how decimated Dallas was and everything that happened, you know,

745
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: so I would love and I hope it at some

746
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: point Kurt Miller will give us some insight on what

747
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: went into that decision.

748
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 5: I'm sure it wasn't.

749
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: Informed by like one single thing, but you know, they're

750
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: making a lot of changes there in Dallas, They're rebuilding,

751
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: and so you know, maybe it's just better to cut

752
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 4: your ways now if you think another coach is the

753
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: right coach to execute on your vision and lead you

754
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: into the future.

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Speaker 8: True, ma'am, Well, your question was, was I surprised, I

756
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 8: went Natalie, Yes and no.

757
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Speaker 1: I guess honestly, I kind of thought that he was

758
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: gonna at least good another year, just and my opinion

759
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: based off of won their relationship for friendship right and

760
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: the fact that it hadn't been done. I honestly thought

761
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: if they were gonna get rid of him, they.

762
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Speaker 3: Would have done it, you know, when the season was,

763
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: when their season was over.

764
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Kurt was like, oh shit, this

765
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: is the perfect time to do it, because all that

766
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: he is over there are happy.

767
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna be on me, so let me sneak

768
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 3: this shit in here real quick.

769
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 4: I was thinking of same thing since I said, oh Christ, oh,

770
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: Kurt ain't shit, he trying to sleep this head?

771
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: Why he did?

772
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: He absolutely did, and and so in my mind, right.

773
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: We saw what Seattle did, we saw what New York did,

774
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: which whatever, I'm still waiting on why that happened. But

775
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: so I was like, Okay, Chris will be good for

776
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: another season. I one of the agree with Natalie. I

777
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: just don't think any coach, I don't care who it is,

778
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: can completely turn a.

779
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: Team or an organization organization around in one year.

780
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: When I see stuff like this, I immediately go to Spoon

781
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: in Chicago and it just pisses me off that they

782
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: did or the way they did. So when it happens

783
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: to another coach, I'm like, well, I can't feel bad

784
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: for you because they did it to Spoon, you know

785
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: what I mean.

786
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: I yeah, So I don't know, yes or no.

787
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: I wasn't surprised. I was just surprised at the fact

788
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 4: that it happened this league.

789
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what.

790
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: I thought that if there was going to be a

791
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: coaching change, it would have happened a little earlier in

792
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 4: the year, so I'd be interested in knowing exactly what

793
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: changed for Dallas. Maybe it was Sandy being dismissed where

794
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: they say, hey, maybe we got an opportunity to try

795
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: to approach her with something like maybe they know something

796
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: that we don't know about her interest and what she

797
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: wants to do. So I think that could certainly be

798
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: a game changing moment for any general manager to.

799
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: Say, hey, you know, we cool, but Sandy Brown della

800
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: on the market.

801
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: Bro.

802
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: So there's that. So that could also be a thing too.

803
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: But good luck to him and all the other coaches

804
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 4: who were dismissed this year. I mean, I hope that

805
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: you guys find something somewhere else and can Maybe it's

806
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: a change of voice, change of sceneries that sometimes I

807
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: does wonders for players and coaches, right, So who knows.

808
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: I also think it'll be interesting to see what Chicago does.

809
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: I hope that they give Tyler another year, because I too,

810
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: am one who feels that one year is just simply

811
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 4: not enough to turn a team around. But I also

812
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: there's also something in me that feels like, if you're

813
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: gonna dismiss the coach, don't string them along, like do

814
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: it and just get get it done so you can

815
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: literally move on and not like take weeks and times

816
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: like that again unless my speculation is that they might

817
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: have an interest in Sandy.

818
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 3: So, yeah, Bati to that point.

819
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: In Chicago, at some point you gotta stop just looking

820
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: at the coach and say the coach is the problem.

821
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 4: Oh, it's not. It wasn't really the coach to begin with.

822
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: It's the it's the front office.

823
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

824
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: So my point being, you brought Spoon in for a

825
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: year and I don't know, I guess you expected her

826
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: to perform miracles in one season and then you let

827
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: her go, and you know, Tyler comes and one year

828
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: for him, what are you gonna do with him?

829
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: Like, at some point you gotta.

830
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: Look at the organization and look at everything else that's

831
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: going on. Why why do you think players like a

832
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: Sylvia foul and Elena Deldon?

833
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: Who else am I missing?

834
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 5: Uh?

835
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Gabby Williams, Like, why do you think these players want

836
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: out of Chicago? They and it wasn't Spoon or Tyler

837
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: who coached them.

838
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: That part.

839
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: That part, that part, same thing, that part. So yeah, guys,

840
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 4: it's been quite a show. We've had a.

841
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Lot of fun.

842
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: Well, despite everything that has happened over the week, there

843
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: will actually be some basketball play this weekend. The aces

844
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 4: uh defeated the Indiana Fever in a thrilling overtime Game five,

845
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 4: and they will be moving on to the w NBA Finals,

846
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: their third finals in four years, which is nuts to

847
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: be facing the Phoenix Mercury.

848
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: And I usually be like, hey, what's your prediction?

849
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: So you got winning? But I don't want you to

850
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: ask me. So I ain't gonna ask you all because

851
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 4: I don't want you to ask.

852
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: Good, don't ask, don't ask because I ain't gonna tell you.

853
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna tell you I do.

854
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: I want to just say one thing before we go,

855
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: just sending good positive vibes to Kelsey Mitchell, Like, just

856
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: absolutely hated to see her go down, and you know

857
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: it's always the what ifs, right, but hoping everything's okay

858
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: with her because for those who don't know, y'all been

859
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: sleeping on Kelsey Mitchell. Because Kelsey Mitchell has always been

860
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: the truth, the real deal always, So just hoping she's okay.

861
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 4: She's always been a vibe, she's always been really good.

862
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 4: You have to wonder, I mean, call a spadas babe.

863
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 4: You have to wonder if that result is the same result,

864
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 4: if Kelsey is still in or even if you got

865
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: a Leah Boston not filed out. At the end of

866
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 4: the day, you have to ask it. But all credit

867
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: to Indiana. I mean I was asked on a different

868
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 4: show whether or not I feel like they met or

869
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: exceeded expectation, and I said, no, I don't think they

870
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: exceeded expectation.

871
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: I think they met it.

872
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: At the beginning of this year, people said Indiana was

873
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 4: going to be a consider team that could make a

874
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: diff run.

875
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: And fight the obstacles put in front of them.

876
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: They continued to be a team that met the expectations.

877
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna short change them and say, oh,

878
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 4: y'all did better than people think, Like, no, you you

879
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 4: met the moment and that's what you're supposed to do.

880
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: That's what professionals do. So kudos.

881
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: Can we please? Sorry? Can we please start the season

882
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: next year? Would Odyssey Sims on a guarantee contract on

883
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: a guaranteed and not cut her contract? Please somewhere with

884
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: somebody for sure?

885
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 4: And Arias needs to be on somebody's team too. I know,

886
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 4: like her season ended early, so we're not talking about

887
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 4: her as much. But tsaw me and you tweeted something

888
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 4: similar about Odyssey. But also, I mean just so so

889
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 4: many of those players who the Fever brought in this season.

890
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 4: They're gonna have a tough but some good decisions to

891
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: make for that team in terms of who they keep,

892
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 4: but a number of those players, because I keep seeing this,

893
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 4: Oh he's you know, the a sysim be celebrating because

894
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: you know they're playing a bunch of like backups and

895
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 4: relief like what like, no, to me, these players just

896
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 4: showed how.

897
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: Good they are for people.

898
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: They they are good, so like the Aces get to

899
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: celebrate because that was a hard fought victory, and the

900
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 4: Indiana Fever like, to me, they were a perfect illustration

901
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: of all the talent that's in this league and players

902
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 4: and that we don't get to always see them, which

903
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 4: is why people were so surprised by a team like

904
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 4: the Valkyries, right because players who don't normally get the

905
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 4: opportunities on teams because this team is so limited teams

906
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: and this team is so this league is so talented,

907
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 4: we don't get to see them. So thankfully there's enough

908
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: expansion teams coming, Like, there's just no excuse for these

909
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: women not to have roster spots day one and to

910
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: have permanent rotation positions on those rosters. One hundred percent

911
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: agree they absolutely should. There are two new teams coming

912
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: into the league in twenty twenty six, so we should

913
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 4: definitely see it in More importantly than just having the spots.

914
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 4: It's the consistency and play. The more reps you get,

915
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: the more you get to play, the better you get

916
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 4: to be. And having the opportunity on a new team

917
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 4: gives you those reps, give you those opportunities. So congrats

918
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: to the Aces and congrats to the Mercury. I look

919
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 4: forward to seeing them. I know all of us at

920
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: some point will be in Las Vegas for at least

921
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: Game one and two or one or two. And yeah,

922
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 4: we will chat again later about you know, probably more

923
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: of the basketball stuff. But turn up Tuesday was just

924
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: too much for us to pass over. We had some

925
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: it wasn't messy Monday. Turnout Tuesday was just way too

926
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 4: much for us to pass up. So we have to

927
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: put the basketball on the back seat for another day.

928
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: But Natalie, thank you so much for taking some time

929
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: to join us today.

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00:48:53,040 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 5: Thank you, Natalie, thank you.

931
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: Well.

932
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 4: Of course, always a fun episode when we have fun guests,

933
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 4: and Natalie is such a fun guest.

934
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: I would love to be able to bring her back

935
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: on the show at another time.

936
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 4: Where we could have, you know, a more in depth

937
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: discussion about her and basketball and all that good stuff.

938
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: But your people don't know how to add.

939
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 4: Your people don't know how to actual and that's why

940
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 4: we got to do episodes like these.

941
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: I ain't playing at w b A.

942
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: Listen, this one wasn't the commissioner when.

943
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: I played You're right, you have them bal Lackerman was

944
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: was the ship You're right?

945
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: I love now after man, you.

946
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: Can't you give me people?

947
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 4: Wait?

948
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Did you have Donna? Did you have Donna two? You

949
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: had Donna two?

950
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: Right? I had?

951
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: I had Donna for a few years, but it was

952
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: you know my I claimed bow when was the beginning?

953
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 8: That was?

954
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I love that. And she was the commissioner.

955
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: You could have gone on forever.

956
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: It could have because we could have got into a

957
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff. Yeah yeah, but uh, we gonna cut

958
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 4: it short. We gonna cut it short. But no, it's

959
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: been it's been fun. Always have a great time. And

960
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: now before we go in head on out, we need

961
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 4: you to level us on up what you got for

962
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 4: us today?

963
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do that because I got a good one.

964
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: You know. It's so funny. When Nat came on and

965
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 3: I was talking about her hair.

966
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Remember before we started recording, she was like, girl, people

967
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: just be coming for me, and you know, because they

968
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: come for me, they come for you.

969
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: And so I found this quote.

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00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting, okay, and it says

971
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: God didn't annoint you for approval, He anointed you for impact.

972
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: I love that.

973
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: I love, love love that and think that I needed

974
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah today, Yeah, they ain't got to approve Nope, because

975
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: I am here because that man put his hands on

976
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: me and said, I'm anointing you because you are going

977
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: to be an impact.

978
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: And that's what I try to do every single day.

979
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: One hundred.

980
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 4: Everybody ain't gotta like you. You ain't gonna be everybody's

981
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 4: cup of tea. I think I saw a hat the

982
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: other day when I was in DC that said I'm

983
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 4: not everybody's tastes or something along the lines of I'm

984
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 4: not everybody's tastes and I'm just.

985
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 2: Like, period, chaul, ain't everybody's taste. So I love that.

986
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: Well, guys, thank you guys so much for tuning in

987
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: and kicking it with us and listening to this episode

988
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 4: of Levels to This. Let me also just say that

989
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 4: the responses that we got from last week's episode with

990
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: Kevin on with Kevin Stage was the best. He is

991
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 4: now officially a certified WNBA person now because everybody did

992
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: not believe that he was a real WNBA fan and

993
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 4: now they do. So we appreciate being able to expose

994
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: that to y'all. But just continue to keep listening and

995
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 4: keep locking in with us. Remember that this is not

996
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 4: just our show. This is our show and we want

997
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: to hear from you, So please shoot us an email

998
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 4: at Levels to This podcast at gmail dot com, follow

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00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 4: to show us love the way that you guys have

1001
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 4: been doing. But until next time, keep your mentals ground

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