WEBVTT - Fake Transgender Terrorists

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, Welcome to it could happen here. The show

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<v Speaker 1>about things falling apart, and often what's falling apart is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of our general agreed upon sense of what reality is,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of what we're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 2>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about the latest batch of new

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<v Speaker 1>transgender conspiracy theories. And to join me in this exciting

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<v Speaker 1>journey is Mia Wong. Hello. Mia.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, why is it or whatever? We're covering transgender conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like conspiracies that trans people made up. It's

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<v Speaker 3>always conspiracies about trans people. It's like, like, can we

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<v Speaker 3>never get one that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like often I can't remember the last time I had

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<v Speaker 1>like a positive Pride Month episode, which I feel kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bad about, but I don't know. It's still an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting topic and I've not seen this discussed as much

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<v Speaker 1>as that should be. And you know, last week I

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<v Speaker 1>really thought I was going to have, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>difficult work week researching Trump pornography. I thought that'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the low part of my month. But it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out spending three days sifting through mass shooter data

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<v Speaker 1>is actually much worse, much worse than looking through Trump board.

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<v Speaker 1>So jaris can, I can, I can?

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<v Speaker 3>I can? I recommend that you two spend your time

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<v Speaker 3>listening to a bunch of rioters talking about the absolute

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<v Speaker 3>worst time of your life. Much better, all right, so

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<v Speaker 3>let's get into it. We're gonna talk first about video games.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna quote a tweet from a kind of failure

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<v Speaker 3>of a far right influencer, which is exciting because we're

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<v Speaker 3>mostly gonna be talking about successful ones. But is this

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<v Speaker 3>guy named ben Ko uk flag in bio, so opinion

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<v Speaker 3>immediately discarded. But he has said a few days ago,

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<v Speaker 3>quote Activision's Call of Duty has added transgender bullets to

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<v Speaker 3>the game in honor of Pride Month, so you can

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<v Speaker 3>literally play as a transgender mass shooter unquote. This tweet

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<v Speaker 3>was almost ripped word for word by Ian Miles. Chung

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<v Speaker 3>basically said the exact same thing, except you said role play,

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<v Speaker 3>not play. Extremely funny, and I did not realize the

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<v Speaker 3>bullets themselves identified as trance. But good for she her

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<v Speaker 3>they them, I guess. So we started to see this

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<v Speaker 3>claim repeated through the anti trans far right grifter media

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<v Speaker 3>space Right limbs of TikTok said that quote Call of

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<v Speaker 3>Duty is now enabling kids to role play being a

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<v Speaker 3>literal trans terrorist. And for some reason, whenever libs of

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<v Speaker 3>TikTok writes terrorists, she asterix out the o's. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why, but this, this, this started to pick up steam.

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<v Speaker 3>There was an article in Glenn Beck's The Blaze quote

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<v Speaker 3>call of Duty Pride bundle let's players simulate murder using

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<v Speaker 3>trans flag adorned guns and bullets. I'm so excited for

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<v Speaker 3>these people to think to find out about counter strike there.

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<v Speaker 3>There are gonna be literally so many, so many articles

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<v Speaker 3>just have the video cliff of the thing in place

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<v Speaker 3>at the an words says terrorists win.

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<v Speaker 1>The Quartering wrote, call of Duty is selling trans pride

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<v Speaker 1>bullets whatevery mass shooter wants. So what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Cause this, you know, if you're not as online as

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<v Speaker 1>some of us some other people are, you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is maybe confusing. Why are they saying that trans people

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<v Speaker 1>are all mass shooters? Now? What's going on? And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and also if you're thinking it's kind of odd that

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<v Speaker 1>there would be a Call of Duty update where you

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<v Speaker 1>can literally play as a transgender mass shooter and shoot

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<v Speaker 1>transgender bullets, you would be right because that never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It's false. No, way, not this time, we created it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not this time, No, not this time.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into what's really going on with this

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<v Speaker 1>Call of Duty Pride update, and then we'll discuss why

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<v Speaker 1>so many of these far right influences are pushing this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of trans terrorist story. So on June first, Activision

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<v Speaker 1>did release an update for the terrible new Call of

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<v Speaker 1>Duty in Warfare three. It contained anime mecha skins and

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<v Speaker 1>seven free weapon skins themed after various Pride flags. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some would argue that the mechasuits are essentially also Pride themed,

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<v Speaker 1>but I digress. For this Pride Weapon Camo pack, it

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<v Speaker 1>will color your gun with the flag of your choosing.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the said flags is the blue, pink and

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<v Speaker 1>white trans flag. Yet if you apply the trans skin

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<v Speaker 1>to any of the regular guns in the game, the

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<v Speaker 1>bullets will not be trans'd. So what gives without the

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<v Speaker 1>transgender bullets, how is anyone supposed to literally roleplay a

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooter like libs of tech Talk and Ian Miles

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<v Speaker 1>Chung say we can. So it turns out these quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote transgender bullets were in fact not intentionally added to

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<v Speaker 1>the game in honor of Pride Month, and are most

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<v Speaker 1>likely a bug that affects one single gun when one

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive attachment is equipped. I'm going to quote from Kotaku

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<v Speaker 1>quote Modern Warfare three's M four came with a special

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<v Speaker 1>Soul Harvester weapon blueprint, which includes a skin and a

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<v Speaker 1>specific attachment for the M four and quote unquote tracer

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<v Speaker 1>which are colorful AMMO options that also leave traces of

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<v Speaker 1>different visual effects like paint splatters or rose petals. This

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<v Speaker 1>special blueprint was for people who spend one hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase the Vault edition of the game. Based on

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<v Speaker 1>Kataku's testing, it appears the quote unquote trans bullets only

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<v Speaker 1>appear when applying the transgender flag Camo skin on this

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<v Speaker 1>specific weapon blueprint. It's unclear this is a bug. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point during testing, the bullets in the cartridge were

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<v Speaker 1>only the pink colors in the flag, or is just

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<v Speaker 1>an extremely adosyncratic reflection of how Call of Duty's complex

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<v Speaker 1>shader system interacts across thousands of items and cosmetics. During testing,

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<v Speaker 1>any other Camo skin applied to the M four Soul

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<v Speaker 1>Harvester blueprint resulted in bullets in the cartridge changing the

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<v Speaker 1>color to match that skin.

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<v Speaker 3>Unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I do think it's a little bit silly that

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much uproar about these trans colored bullets but

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<v Speaker 1>not as much about like just a trans colored gun,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why is the bullet the big thing? And we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that you can't play as a mass shooter

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<v Speaker 1>in Call of Duty. You play as a war criminal,

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<v Speaker 1>and most transgender war criminals are just drone pilots or

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<v Speaker 1>work for Raytheon. If you want to play a mass

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<v Speaker 1>shooter game, you can just play GTA five or hit Man,

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<v Speaker 1>where you play as cis men. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Russian terrorist airport level don't at me. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care anyway. There was a great article in former

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson project, The Daily Caller with the headline Pride

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<v Speaker 1>Month finally comes for one of the last bastions of manhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and the opening tagline is gamers. They targeted gamers. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, what's really at play here with this transmash

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<v Speaker 1>shooter stuff. This is just another beat in the rhetorical

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<v Speaker 1>strategy that conservative anti trans influencers have been building over

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<v Speaker 1>the past year and a half, using a mix of

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<v Speaker 1>cherry picked data, bad stats, and often outright lies to

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<v Speaker 1>convince people that they're an increasing epidemic of transgender mass

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<v Speaker 1>killing attacks sweeping the nation. When discussing this call of duty,

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<v Speaker 1>Pride Pack Libs of TikTok said, quote, with the uptick

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<v Speaker 1>in actual trans violence we've been seeing, it's alarming that

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<v Speaker 1>call of Duty would introduce this and a Blaze article

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<v Speaker 1>read quote. Critics have suggested activision Blizzard may want to

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<v Speaker 1>reconsider given the recent mass shootings executed by lgbt radicals.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been multiple mass shootings executed, attempted, or at

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<v Speaker 1>the very least planned by transvestites and LGBTQ radicals in

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<v Speaker 1>recent years. So this Blaze article begins by listing four

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<v Speaker 1>alleged instances of these trans mass shooters. Two of these

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<v Speaker 1>simply never happened, as the alleged transgender individuals, a trans

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<v Speaker 1>guy and a fifty six year old organ and nazi,

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested after they made concerning posts online. And the

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<v Speaker 1>other two which which did happen. These are these were shootings,

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<v Speaker 1>except these were never actually done by trans people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a made up tap, it's a total fabrication. It

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<v Speaker 2>never happened. It never happened. This one was invented by

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<v Speaker 2>a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>So although this transgender mass shooter narrative might not be real.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what is real? Mia?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it capitalism?

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<v Speaker 1>It is, and capitalism is fueled, at least currently by

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<v Speaker 1>the products and sponsors that support this podcast. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>are back now. Trying to frame every new mass shooter

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<v Speaker 1>as some like crazed leftist of some variety is an

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<v Speaker 1>old tactic popularized by the likes of Andy Know, Which

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<v Speaker 1>is you know ironic? Considering the fact that political extremist

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<v Speaker 1>related killings for the past ten years are overwhelmingly done

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<v Speaker 1>by individuals tied to right wing extremism, the ADL puts

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<v Speaker 1>it out seventy five percent, whereas leftist extremism, which is

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<v Speaker 1>categorized as including anarchists as well as black nationalist groups,

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<v Speaker 1>are responsible for just four percent. Most of the rest

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<v Speaker 1>they categorize as Islamic violent extremists, including the twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>Pulse nightclub massacre targeted against here people in Orlando, although

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<v Speaker 1>one could argue that that is also right wing extremism,

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<v Speaker 1>like they are also right wingers? Like It's like Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out the ADL might have some troubling ways

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<v Speaker 1>of collecting data breaking news anyway. Regardless of the actual facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Lying about the political demographic of mass shooters is an

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<v Speaker 1>old tactic employed by far right content creators to gain

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<v Speaker 1>clicks and influence the talking points of more popular media

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<v Speaker 1>figures and politicians. And now the past few years we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen a new iteration of this tactic, where in the

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<v Speaker 1>confusion and chaos of the first few minutes and hours

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<v Speaker 1>after a shooting, anti trans influencers will do everything they

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<v Speaker 1>can to frame an alleged or suspected shooter of being transgender,

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<v Speaker 1>often using out of context social media posts, photographs, photos

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<v Speaker 1>of other people, or just pictures of like long or

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<v Speaker 1>dyed hair to affirm that a mass shooter must actually

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<v Speaker 1>be transgender. Now, even if this claim is like widely

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<v Speaker 1>debunked later on, most of the people that follow these

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<v Speaker 1>far right accounts won't be hearing about that. So all

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<v Speaker 1>they need to do is use this brief window of

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<v Speaker 1>chaos to seed the idea into people's minds. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you do this thing frequently enough after each new mass shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's pretty easy to create a false perception of

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<v Speaker 1>this increasing trend. Now, this style of propaganda has been

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<v Speaker 1>largely spearheaded by Chaiai Trek, using her libs of TikTok account.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's another quote from her quote. The modern LGBTQ plus

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<v Speaker 1>movement is radicalizing young activists into becoming violent terrorist extremists.

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<v Speaker 1>The uptick in trans violence is going to get worse unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>But this sort of rhetoric has been spread by many

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<v Speaker 1>other online figures in this orbit, like disgraced buzzfeedwriter Benny

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson and chronic poster ian Miles Chung. Their rhetoric has

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<v Speaker 1>been spread by sitting politicians Donald Trump Junior and Elon Musk. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to clarify, people have been lying about the gender identity

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<v Speaker 1>of mass shooters for like a long time. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the oldest jokes on four Chan. But what's been

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<v Speaker 1>going on the past two years is something different, and

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<v Speaker 1>it requires a little bit more in depth examination of

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<v Speaker 1>this propaganda trend. Now to get into more specific examples, here,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to break down a common meme format used

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<v Speaker 1>to spread this type of false propaganda. It's usually about

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<v Speaker 1>five pictures of mass shooters with text next to each

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<v Speaker 1>picture that reads something like the Nashville shooter identified as trans,

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<v Speaker 1>the X shooter identified as trans. So it will just

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<v Speaker 1>list all of these people that allegedly are mass shooters

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<v Speaker 1>and allegedly identified as trans. Now police did't identify the

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<v Speaker 1>Nashville Covenant School shooter as a trans man, that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to take their word for it. They've released no

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<v Speaker 1>other info on that. Typically this is seen as like

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<v Speaker 1>the first legitimate mass shooting done by a transgender individual,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the past year we've been waiting for more

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<v Speaker 1>and more context to come out about this mass shooting

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<v Speaker 1>and it's possible motivations. So I'm not even going to

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<v Speaker 1>really discuss this one right now. We'll just to say, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a trans person who happened to do a

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting and leave it at that, even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not totally clear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I do. I want to add one

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<v Speaker 3>thing briefly, which is that like trying to find out

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<v Speaker 3>information from the police about a mass shooting is such

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<v Speaker 3>a crapshoot, like they just you know, they'll they'll be

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<v Speaker 3>like an initial flurry of press releases or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they just will never talk about it again until

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the trial. And sometimes you get some from.

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<v Speaker 1>That well, and in often cases for mass shooters who

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<v Speaker 1>often die, there is no never.

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<v Speaker 3>Get so yeah, yeah, and if they're dead like, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Even keeping this Nashville incident as a legitimate mass shooting

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<v Speaker 1>done by a person who happens to be trans when

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this meme, the thing is is that with

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<v Speaker 1>these five pictures that are on this meme, most typically

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<v Speaker 1>three out of the five people that have their pictures

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<v Speaker 1>here aren't even treads.

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<v Speaker 2>Not this time. It never happened. It is false, It

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<v Speaker 2>never happened. It's a fake. It's fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, most famously, we have the Colorado Springs shooter Anderson

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Aldrich, who killed five people and injured twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>others at a queer club in twenty twenty two. Later on,

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<v Speaker 1>his lawyer claimed that the shooter was non binary, which

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<v Speaker 1>I believe is a disgusting and disingenuous attempt to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of the more than now fifty hate crime charges

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<v Speaker 1>that the shooter is facing. And this opinion is shared

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<v Speaker 1>not only by the DA but also all other legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>extremists and researchers. Prior to these claims in court, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no indication whatsoever that the shooter was non binary

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<v Speaker 1>or used they then pronouns. However, they did own rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>flag shooting targets. Ran a neo Nazi website that posted

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<v Speaker 1>gun training videos and was known by online acquaintances to

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<v Speaker 1>frequently post racist and homophobic content. Now I should clarify

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<v Speaker 1>when I say shooting targets, I don't mean that it's

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<v Speaker 1>pride theme shooting targets. It's that the people that you

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<v Speaker 1>are shooting are painted like they are gay. So there

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<v Speaker 1>you go now. Pictured next in the meme is someone

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<v Speaker 1>with purple colored hair, labeled as the Denver shooter. This

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<v Speaker 1>person is not trans, has never claimed to be trans.

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<v Speaker 1>He just has dyed hair. He killed one person in

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<v Speaker 1>a school shooting that he planned with a sixteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old trans guy.

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<v Speaker 3>In shooting correct? Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Will we will get in We will get into this

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<v Speaker 1>later because the definition of mass shooting is getting stretched

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<v Speaker 1>liberally here now. The third person pictured, who is in trans,

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<v Speaker 1>changes more frequently in different versions of the meme that

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<v Speaker 1>you can find online. One version includes someone referenced as

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<v Speaker 1>the Philadelphia shooter. This is referencing a shooting spree that

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in five people being killed. This shooter had previously

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<v Speaker 1>posted photos of himself cross dressing in women's clothes, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was used by figures like Marjorie Taylor Green to

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<v Speaker 1>aim that the cis mail shooter was actually quote another

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<v Speaker 1>trans shooter. Family of this shooter referred to him as

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<v Speaker 1>a quote unquote biblical extremist, and he often posted bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>Christian spiritual conspiracy theories and was an outspoken fan of

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson. In another version of the meme posted by

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<v Speaker 1>Chaia Reichik, she identifies the Uvalde school shooter as transo

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<v Speaker 1>and includes a picture of a transwoman holding the trans

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<v Speaker 1>Pride flag. This was posted in January of this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk replied to the tweet with two exclamation points. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In the hours after the Euvaldie School shooting, pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>two or three different transwomen were used to falsely label

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<v Speaker 1>the shooter as trans, with at least one of these

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<v Speaker 1>transwomen being from New York, the other from Georgia. Both

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<v Speaker 1>these women received a great deal of harassment after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona Congressman Paul Gozar tweeted that the shooter was quote

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<v Speaker 1>a transsexual, leftist illegal alien unquote, which is frankly amazing

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<v Speaker 1>because every word in that sentence is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a made up tip, it's a total fabrication. It

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<v Speaker 2>never happened. It never happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the other person in this meme that is typically

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<v Speaker 1>accepted to be trans is the Aberdeen shooter. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to just quote from the Washington Post here. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty eighteen, in Aberdeen, Maryland, a twenty six year

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<v Speaker 1>old shot and killed three people at a pharmaceuticals distribution

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<v Speaker 1>center before turning the weapon on themselves. The sheriff said

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<v Speaker 1>the shooter had been diagnosed as mentally ill. In twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a close friend reported the shooter quote suffered from bipolar

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<v Speaker 1>disorder and struggled since early in high school with severe depression,

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<v Speaker 1>partly connected to their feelings of not being accepted when

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<v Speaker 1>they first came out as a gay teenage girl and

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<v Speaker 1>later as transgender. Unquote. By most accounts, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>transgender guy who began transitioning shortly before the shooting. Pronouns

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff are unclear. They also worked at this distribution

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<v Speaker 1>center a few weeks prior to them doing the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>This incident's typically not categorized as a mass shooting because

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<v Speaker 1>only three people were killed excluding the shooter. Now, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the more recent attempts at this transgender terrorist psyop

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<v Speaker 1>was in the aftermath of the shooting at Joel Ostein's

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<v Speaker 1>megachurch in Houston earlier this February. The shooter was a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six year old woman carrying her seven year old son, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>both of whom died along with one other person. Just

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<v Speaker 1>hours after the shooting, far right accounts like lips of

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok and end Wokeness claimed that she was transgender, pointing

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<v Speaker 1>to documents where she used the name Jeffrey now Chia

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<v Speaker 1>Reichek called the shooting quote another act of trans terrorism.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to have a national conversation about the LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>movement turning youth into violent extremists unquote.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't she literally say that exact thing with the last one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't even covie with new tweets, like they really

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<v Speaker 3>just have the same five tweets in rotation. Marjorie Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>Green called her quote a trans from El Savador unquote.

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<v Speaker 3>Missouri Representative Josh Holly, Marco Rubio, and Elon Musk all

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<v Speaker 3>post about this quote unquote epidemic of trans violence. These

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<v Speaker 3>claims were boosted by Donald Trump, June and Ted Cruz.

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<v Speaker 3>Fox News ran a whole story with a headline about

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<v Speaker 3>the shooter being transgender, and guess what, she's not trans.

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<v Speaker 3>She is a CIS woman who gave birth to a

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<v Speaker 3>child and has always identified as a woman. It just

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<v Speaker 3>appears that she was given a masculine name at birth

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<v Speaker 3>and later changed it to a more feminine name. The

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<v Speaker 3>far right content sphere created so much uproar that the

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<v Speaker 3>police had to do a whole press conference about how

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<v Speaker 3>the shooter was not trans, and after the Peace lawyers

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<v Speaker 3>clarified she was not trans, Fox News changed their claim,

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<v Speaker 3>now saying on air that the shooter quote identified as

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<v Speaker 3>both genders and was quote a biological woman who sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>identified as a man named Jeffrey unquote, which just isn't true.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing about this one is that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just far right influencers in Fox News who ran with

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<v Speaker 1>this transgender narrative. MSNBC jumped on very early to say

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<v Speaker 1>that the shooter was quote a Hispanic transgender woman who

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote identified as a woman unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>It is totally made up, pure fiction. It's fiction. It's fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>We made it up.

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<v Speaker 1>M s NBC.

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<v Speaker 3>More like MSNB shit, great, great, great, I'm doing great

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<v Speaker 3>this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what's also doing great mia.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it the products and services support this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pretty consistent. Yeah they are. They are still around

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<v Speaker 1>and here you can listen to their important messages. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we are so back. So there's there's so many more

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<v Speaker 1>cases like the ones that I've talked about. Right. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason I started working on this episode in the first

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<v Speaker 1>place was due to far right accounts claiming that a

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<v Speaker 1>man named Jared Rivierrez, who killed his seventy year old

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<v Speaker 1>roommate and went on a mass stabbing spree last month

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<v Speaker 1>outside of an AMC theater and a McDonald's in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 1>was claimed to be a quote mentally ill trans terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>by limbs of TikTok and a transactivist quote unquote who's

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<v Speaker 1>a man who thinks he's a woman, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>line Libs of TikTok loves using. Now, Jared claims to

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<v Speaker 1>be an artist and a model, but was actually like

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<v Speaker 1>this really weird like grifter entrepreneur. He kind of reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me of that weird Canadian cat killer Luke Megnan YadA

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<v Speaker 1>who like created a whole bunch of fake posts to

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<v Speaker 1>like pretend to be famous and like created like fake

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<v Speaker 1>fans It's very similar to this case and later this

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<v Speaker 1>guy Luke in Canada also killed a gay man, very

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<v Speaker 1>similar cases. Honestly, Jared here again, he's like pretending to

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<v Speaker 1>be like an international entrepreneur. He looks like this weird

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<v Speaker 1>like hippie surfer dude with long bleached hair. Jared's father

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<v Speaker 1>is a wealthy Christian therapist who looks very similar and

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<v Speaker 1>anti trans influencers have pointed to the word she on

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<v Speaker 1>Jared's Instagram profile, but Jared's actual gender identity is really unclear.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never pictured wearing women's clothing. He would frequently post

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<v Speaker 1>shirtless buff selfies. Jared has never claimed to be trans

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<v Speaker 1>or a woman, and has never used transgender language or iconography.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared did file a name change request last April, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was to change his last name. He goes by

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<v Speaker 1>Jared that same month, April, So two months ago, Jared

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<v Speaker 1>sexually harassed a model at a Beverly Hills hotel, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that he wanted to have kids with her and proposed

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<v Speaker 1>to her, saying I'm going to be a good husband.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be my wife unquote. This person simply, we

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<v Speaker 1>have no reason to think they're trans. They do this.

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<v Speaker 1>They do like weird like art stuff, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like California Beverly Hills poison brained, and it seems

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<v Speaker 1>to they see to have gone through some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>mental health breakdown which resulted in them killing their roommate,

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<v Speaker 1>two dogs, and stabbing like six or seven people in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>But another trans terrorist, sure, why not? In January of

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<v Speaker 1>this year, in Iowa, teenager open fire at a school,

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<v Speaker 1>killing one person and then himself again. The usual suspects

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<v Speaker 1>were super quick to label him as another trans terrorist,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk saying, this is happening a lot. Something is

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<v Speaker 1>deeply wrong. This kid largely seemed like a regular gen

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<v Speaker 1>Z liberal. He listed his pronouns as he they. He

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<v Speaker 1>posted things like nominally in support of trans people. He

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<v Speaker 1>used the hashtag gender fluid a single time in a

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok video filmed with what appears to be a trans

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<v Speaker 1>friend of his. He also posted on Reddit two years

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<v Speaker 1>ago that he didn't want to transition because he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>quote wants to look ugly. He never specifically identified as trans.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just kind of a tragic case. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the deal with this kid was. They seemed

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<v Speaker 1>deeply confused and upset and killed someone and then killed themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It sucks, but it's not a mass shooting, and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it doesn't link to anything being a pattern of

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<v Speaker 1>transgender terrorism. That does not stop someone like Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>Junior saying, quote, the modern LGBTQ plus movement is radicalizing

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<v Speaker 1>our youth and becoming violent extremists per capita, Is there

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<v Speaker 1>a more violent group of people anywhere in the world

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<v Speaker 1>than radicalized transactivists Given the tiny fraction of the population

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<v Speaker 1>they make up, it doesn't seem like anyone else comes

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<v Speaker 1>even close. We have a lot of claims like this,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I need to start talking about statistics

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<v Speaker 1>my least favorite thing, because this sort of messaging is

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<v Speaker 1>repeated a lot. We have this post from I think

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Johnson or Donald Trump Junior. I can't twelve which

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<v Speaker 1>one because unfortunately it got deleted before I was able

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<v Speaker 1>to log who did it, so apologies for that. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very similar sort of thing, saying there's been

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<v Speaker 1>at least five massive tax by transgner people since twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Considering the group makes up less than point five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the population, that's massive overrepresentation. We'll get into that

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<v Speaker 1>in a sec. So, boy, often when these people are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this, this trend of trans mass shooters, they're

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<v Speaker 1>focusing specifically on the period of time between twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty twenty four because largely a lot of conservatives

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<v Speaker 1>think that trans people were kind of like invented around

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, because that's when they first started to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like notice that people were trans, which is something

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about before in terms of like the arc

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<v Speaker 1>of homophobia and transphobia in relation to like gay marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and like a few other things. This is something we've

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<v Speaker 1>reported on consistently on the show. So they're very often

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<v Speaker 1>only looking at data from select years, and as we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed here, they largely inflate the number of quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooters as well as the number of mass shooters

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<v Speaker 1>who they call transgender. They will often, you know, very

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<v Speaker 1>loosely define what a mass shooting is when it's soon them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then very strictly define it when it doesn't. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Blaze article about that Call of Duty Pride pack,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, quote trans identifying suspects a share of public

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<v Speaker 1>mass shootings nationwide over the twenty eighteen or twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three period is reportedly well over seven times their share

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<v Speaker 1>of the population, which links to a very sketchy right

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<v Speaker 1>wing crime stats website that doesn't publish any of their data.

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<v Speaker 1>So sure, so, there is a few different ways to

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<v Speaker 1>categorize what a mass shooting is. There's no universal definition

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<v Speaker 1>for what makes a mass shooting versus a mass killing,

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<v Speaker 1>so different groups categorize things kind of differently. The Mass

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<v Speaker 1>Killing Database is a partnership between the ap USA Today

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<v Speaker 1>and Northwestern University, and it defines mass killings quote as

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<v Speaker 1>the intentional killing of four or more victims, excluding the

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<v Speaker 1>deaths of unborn children and the offenders by any means,

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 1>within a twenty four hour period. Their database currently lists

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>five hundred and ninety such killings since two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 1>James Allen Fox, professor of criminology and law at Northwestern

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 1>University who manages the database, has said, quote, you can

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>count the number of transgender and non binary shooters on

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>one hand, they're actually underrepresented unquote, and again it's possible

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 1>that because of how successful the right has been at

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.239
<v Speaker 1>this syop. When you're counting these number of transgender, non

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:25.640
<v Speaker 1>binary shooters on one hand, that's also super overrepresented because

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 1>they're most likely containing like the Colorado spring shooter and

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these other people. Now, trans people on

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>average are reported to make up about one percent of

0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.439
<v Speaker 1>the US population, but that number is steadily growing. We

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>got to pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers. Now.

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>It's also just kind of unclear what that number actually is.

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 1>That's the current one from the US Census Bureau, and

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:48.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of an average, doubt because a lot of stats

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 1>of like people older than twenty five say the numbers

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>at like around zero point five point six percent versus

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>people under twenty five reportedly it's like one point five percent.

0:26:58.160 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I'm just gonna say around one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Under most criterias for mass killings, only one incident, the

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 1>one in Nashville, qualifies for inclusion. Another data source called

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the Violence Project has recorded data on mass shootings in

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the US since nineteen sixty six. They more narrowly define

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>a mass killing as four more people killed in a

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>public unconnected to other criminal activity. Their current database has

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ninety three entries. A spokesperson for their

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.199
<v Speaker 1>organization told Reuters that the twenty twenty three Nashville shooting

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 1>quote is the first case of a trans perpetrator in

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>their database, per their methodology. Another more broad data collection

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>project is called the Gun Violence Archive. I'm just going

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>to quote from Reuter's here quote. The Gun Violence Archive,

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>which began collecting data on gun violence in the US

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 1>in twenty thirteen, recorded more than four thousand and four

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred mass shootings in the last decade. Its definition of

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>a mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>in injury or death, excluding the perpetrator of those quote.

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 1>The number of known suspects mass shooting which are trans

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is under ten for the last decade, which translated to

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>zero point one one percent of the four four hundred

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>shootings unquote, which is about nine times lower than SIS

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>people per capita if we use the one percent trans

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>population stat and even using the more conservative mass killing

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>data set, the rate of this sort of violence by

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>trans people is far lower than what would match our

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>population margin. I'm going to add in a short quote

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:29.959
<v Speaker 1>from the Washington Post to kind of add in some

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>context here quote. The Gun Violence Archive methodology would allow

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 1>for inclusion of the Aberdeen and Denver cases with zero

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>point six percent of the population. One would expect at

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>least sixteen mass shootings to be conducted by people identifying

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.479
<v Speaker 1>as trans in the past five years. Instead, there are

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 1>just three possible cases cited by most conservatives unquote. So

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>after looking over all of this data, it would actually

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>appear that transgender people are less likely to commit a

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>mass shooting than CIS people, even by some of the

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>more conservative estimate. It's the other side of this is

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that not only are trans people less likely to you know,

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>do this sort of violence, they are way more likely

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to be on the receiving end than sispeople. For the

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>National Archive of Criminal Justice Data, LGBTQ plus people are

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 1>more than twice as likely to be a victim of

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>gun violence than their cisgender and straight peers. According to

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the Human Rights Campaign, twenty nine percent of transgender youth

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>have been threatened or injured with a weapon on school property,

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>compared to seven percent of cisgender youth. So even for

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>school shootings, you are so much, so much more likely

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to face gun violence at school if you are trans, transgender,

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.959
<v Speaker 1>non binary, gender questioning people have reportedly higher rates of

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>being impacted or knowing someone who's been impacted by a

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>mass shooting compared to their cisgender queer peers. This is

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, a data average, but it's usually around twenty

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>two percent to nineteen percent. And this whole topic gets

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>so much more like dark and grounded when you know

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>that three hundred and twenty trans people were killed last

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>year according to data from the annual Trans Murder Monitoring Report,

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>which is like, it's so dark that we even have

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.959
<v Speaker 1>something called the Trans Murder Monitoring Report.

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Also, we need to mention this because I don't think

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 3>people this is really badly understood people who aren't trans.

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 3>But those numbers are always significant undercounts, because yes, those

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 3>projects are people scraping. Basically, news reports are trying to

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 3>find like the families of victims, and there are a

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 3>lot of people who get killed who the only people

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 3>who know are their friends and those people fucking either

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 3>aren't talking to the press, or the precious never like

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 3>covers it, or you know, the police give their dead

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 3>name and never talk about it, so they just are

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 3>dead and everyone thinks they're si.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>And just in the United States last year, thirty three

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>trans people were murdered, and again this is a vast

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>undercount like MIA said, Meanwhile, you have all these people

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>on the right who will talk about all of these

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>all these alleged mass shootings by alleged trans people, and

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>one of their favorite lines when they try to like

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 1>affirm that a shooter is actually trans is quote watch

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>how quickly this story will now disappear unquote, which is

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>just ironic for a few reasons. One, because that's how

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>news works, is that we move on to a new thing.

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>But also it'll probably disappear as well because they're not

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>actually trans, you know, when you're in the case of

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>the Uvaldi shooter, in the case of the megachurch shooter

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>from last year. Yeah, people move on. But also they're

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>not gonna keep harping on your weird conspiracy theory because

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>it's a weird conspiracy theory. It's not true even if

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>this is even if they were right, which they are not.

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>It also is just like, imagine in like nineteen twenty

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>or like, we have a problematic rise in left handed

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>mass shooters, so we're like, well, yeah, because there's more

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>left handed people, there's gonna be at least some level

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>of correlation statistically. Again, these people act like trans people

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>were only invented in twenty eighteen and are just like

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>slowly like recruiting in numbers, which, hey, you know, at

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>least we are kind of slowly recruiting. And like the

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>actual goal of this rhetoric, beyond just you know, altering

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the fabric of reality, is to just encourage violence against

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>trans people. That is what they're doing. It's it's to

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>see trans people as a threat so that you feel

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>justified in doing violence against them. Just a few weeks ago,

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a very popular gun YouTuber made this joke where they

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>were talking about, you know, getting ready to shoot a

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>te word and they stopped and they were like, oh, sorry,

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean a school shooter. Wink wink. So like they're

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to use school shooter to be a dog whistle

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>for trans people. This is all just to justify violence.

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>That's all this is doing, and to some degree it's working.

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Just last week, a trans kid was assaulted in the

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>men's bathroom at school and reportedly one of their teeth exploded.

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>This was a trans girl who was using the men's

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>bathroom like all of these freaks want them to, and

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>she still got assaulted. I think it's super important when

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>talking about this sort of unreality propaganda is that like

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>these people like Limbs of TikTok and Miles Schong, they're

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>not just like falling further into a delusional conspiracy theory.

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Same thing with Elon Musk, Right, it's easy. I think

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.479
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to be like, oh, they just actually like

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>legitimately are like falling into this like conspiratorial delusion. And

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not that. What it is is they are actually

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>intentionally crafting reality. It's not them like falling victim to

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>this like unfortunate delusion. They are choosing which a version

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>of reality to believe in because it's the one that

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 1>they want, and that's what they're doing, and they want

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>it to be a reality where more people feel comfortable

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>assaulting and killing trans People's that's the actual goal of

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>this propaganda.

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 3>We need to be very clear about this about what's

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 3>sort of happening here. Which is one of one of

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 3>the fastest ways to get a group of people to

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 3>commit a genocide is by convincing them that they are

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>all about to be killed.

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 3>This is one of the things behind this or behind

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 3>the Bosnian genocide. This is one of the things behind Rwanda.

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Is if you can convince a lot of people that

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 3>their neighbors are about to fucking kill them. That's how

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 3>you get them to do the genocide, because the thing

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 3>that they believe is that like, oh, like this is

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:58.959
<v Speaker 3>self defense, Like these people are about to kill us,

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 3>and that is the kind of reality tunnel being mobilized.

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Here is a is it called genocide? And the other

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 3>side of this that I think is so grim is

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 3>that there used to be a time as a society

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 3>where you know, we attempted to explain why there are

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 3>mass shootings. Right, this is something that I remember living through,

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 3>Like if you go back to like twenty sixteen, two thousand, seventeen,

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 3>twenty fifteen, like we used to there used to be

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:28.359
<v Speaker 3>people other than these just like genocidal fascists, attempting to

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 3>explain why why these shootings were happening. The actual data

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 3>on trans mass shooters and how few of them there

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 3>are is quietly devastating to a lot of the theories

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 3>that used to be sort of bandied about, Right. The

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 3>theories of this was about sort of objection, the theory

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 3>that this was about this, you know, like sort of

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 3>de industrialization and like the consequences that this has had

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 3>on people, and that there were you know, it was

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 3>this sort of like downward social mobility that was causing

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 3>this violence. Right, If any of that were true, there

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 3>would be a fucking million mass shooters, because again, the

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:02.399
<v Speaker 3>transproverty rate is like it's a right's around thirty percent, right,

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 3>for the rest of the country it is like a

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 3>quarter as well, it's that quarter. It's like a third

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 3>of that much, right there should be if it was

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.879
<v Speaker 3>just purely a product of like material conditions, there would

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 3>be a lot more transmitant shooters. But there aren't because again,

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, the actual theory that fits this data and

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 3>fits also the behavior of all of these people, like

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 3>all of these sort of FasTIS trying to explain mass

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 3>shootings as being about trans people. The thing that it

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 3>fits is this is the theory that this is basically

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 3>the replacement of plan rallies. Right, we don't have we

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 3>don't have collective lynchings anymore. We have individual ones. And

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.240
<v Speaker 3>all of these fucking people are trying to make sure

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 3>that there's just more lynchings, and that these lynchings are

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, is like it's there there sort of like

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 3>armed follower fanatics go and shoot a bunch more trans

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.720
<v Speaker 3>people in a nightclub, and then you know, once that happens,

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 3>they will disavow it by saying, oh, hey, this this

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 3>nightclub shooting was this is actually done by a fucking transperson.

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 3>They'll keep doing this until they have enough political power

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 3>to openly come out and claim that all of these

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 3>people were their fucking revolutionary heroes in their new fucking

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:09.839
<v Speaker 3>pantheon of the fascist state.

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>And there was that trans boy who was assaulted in

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom a few months ago and died days later

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>in the hospital. There's this this It keeps happening. And

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want this to be like a depressing episode.

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I wanted this to break down a conspiracy theory I've

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>been seeing more frequently talk about, you know what's fueling it,

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 1>actually go over the instances that are included in it

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to kind of you know, debunk for lack of a

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>better term, uh, this sort of rhetoric, and just so

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>you can be more aware of it when you see it,

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 1>because often you'll see this this you know, this meme

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>with five five pictures, you'll see a copy pasta version

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of it. So just just being aware of what this is,

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>what the what this rhetoric is trying to do, and

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the you know, unfortunate fact that trans people are far

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 1>are far far more likely to be a victim of

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 1>gun violence and mash and mass shootings, yeah than people

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 1>than they ever then than sis people, and are actually

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>less likely to to to participate in such violence statistically speaking.

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that is that is the episode today. Not

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>meant to be depressing, just meant to be informative. But

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, when it comes to me, those things often overlap.

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<v Speaker 1>But these such cases, I hope you have I hope

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