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Speaker 1: it's a Thursday edition of One Bill's Live, and our

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Speaker 1: coverage continues here at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Maddie

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Speaker 1: clab in for Steve Tasker today and tomorrow to help

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Speaker 1: me out here with our coverage at the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: And it's a it's a big day today because the

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Speaker 1: workouts start today. Linebackers and defensive linemen. We'll be suiting

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Speaker 1: that other stuff. You know. It's kind of crazy that

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Speaker 1: the bench press just kind of went away, But we

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Speaker 1: going to bench, but a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: never wanted to bench because they're just not good at it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to show.

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Speaker 1: Reps eleven reps, you know, so, but we'll the workouts

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Speaker 1: don't begin until after we're off the air, So stay

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Speaker 1: with us and we'll keep you informed on any and

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Speaker 1: all developments concerning player workouts today. What was said and

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Speaker 1: what wasn't said by some of the players up at

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Speaker 1: Benny and I were kind of listening in to some

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Speaker 1: of the players answer questions from the gathered media. So

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Speaker 1: we'll kind of bring up to speed on some of

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Speaker 1: that because the defensive backs were here in the room

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Speaker 1: today while the linebackers and the d linemen were getting

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Speaker 1: ready in Lucas Oil Stadium for their work out here today.

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Speaker 1: That got measured. We'll get into arm length in a

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Speaker 1: second here, but let's maybe we.

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Speaker 2: Should measure our arm length live on air.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't find a tast somebody measure. I was a

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Speaker 1: little disappointed. Oh you know what we can do?

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Speaker 2: Well, we could use our phones, right, yeah, right, you

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Speaker 1: Then you'll have to get the app up on that

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Speaker 2: We're going to do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not that tech savvy. So really, no Bills news

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Speaker 1: of note out here today other than the you know

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Speaker 1: player here or there that said they had a formal

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Speaker 1: interview with the Bills. We know they got to interview

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Speaker 1: maximize our exposure to these players. Obviously, it goes beyond

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Speaker 1: the combine. If they can get around people at the

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Speaker 1: something I saw on your film, you know, or how's

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Speaker 1: your family? Any chance they get, they grab a guy

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Speaker 2: The information gathering phase for the scouting department and the

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Speaker 2: coaching staff right now as they begin to have interviews

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Speaker 2: to really figure out what are you about? Let me

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Speaker 2: check some things off the list in my brain that

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Speaker 2: I had questions about. It's really figuring out who the classes,

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Speaker 2: what they're made up of, and what they believe will

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Speaker 2: be a good fit for the Joe Brady Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: which I asked Brandon Bean when I talked to him.

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Speaker 2: You know, how do things change as you begin to

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Speaker 2: scout for a Joe Brady team and a Joe Brady culture.

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Speaker 2: As we assume things will change, it's not going to

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Speaker 2: look all the same Joe Brady said in his interview,

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Speaker 2: it's it's year one. While they're going to return a

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Speaker 2: you know, it's about having those conversations with Joe Brady

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so those conversations were had back at one Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: They kind of ironed everything out, and I think the

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Speaker 1: general consensus is they just want good football players. They

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Speaker 1: But let's go around the NFL, which is presented by

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Speaker 1: Colida Health, and we begin with a trade that went

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Speaker 1: down today here at the NFL Combine. And I'm a little.

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Speaker 2: Bummed out because I thought of you right.

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Speaker 1: Sit on the air that you know, the Bills are

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Speaker 1: and provided everybody passes their physicals and all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: with ten head coaching changes, we really thought that there

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Speaker 1: was going to be a more robust trade market because

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Speaker 1: there are going to be players like It's and Andre

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're definitely going to see that the different teams

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Speaker 2: Knowing that there's no tape on what a Buffalo Bill's

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Speaker 2: and you could say the same for all these ten.

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Speaker 1: Teams, right, I mean, I think people know from where

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Speaker 1: their way. The Colts and Anthony Richardson have mutually agreed

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Speaker 1: Richardson still has a year left on his rookie contract,

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Speaker 2: Who is it gonna be?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's he'sactly gifted. There's no debating that.

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Speaker 1: the experience matters. And the thing that's horrible for Anthony

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Speaker 1: And let's not forget this is a Colts team with

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Speaker 1: Here at the NFL Combine, former Tennessee cornerback who we

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Speaker 3: played successful football. So these are not necessarily bad things.

434
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Speaker 3: But if we're looking at ways in which this could

435
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 3: change with Joe at the control panel entirely, those could

436
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: be some of the elements that I think look a

437
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: little bit different.

438
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six, we know that Buffalo's defense is

439
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: going to go through the biggest overhaul as they hire

440
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: Jim Leonard as their defensive coordinator, who comes over from

441
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos. They're going to switch schemes from a

442
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: four to three to a three to four. How do

443
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: you envision things shifting in Buffalo with what's currently on

444
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: the roster and addressing that in the draft and free agency.

445
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that front sevens really where things matter the most.

446
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: I mean, as you know, you just do the number right,

447
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: four and four to three versus three four, and you've

448
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: got guys who just have like more prototypical builds playing

449
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 3: a four to three or an even front versus a

450
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: three four odd man front. So we're gonna see some

451
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: guys who maybe have been longtime pillars whose role might

452
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: not be exactly the same or might not just like,

453
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: might not fit entirely in this game. That's sort of

454
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: one of the natures of making a I wouldn't say

455
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: a wholesale shift, but a notable shift from a three

456
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: to four, sorry, from a four to three two a

457
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: three four. I think some of the most important pieces,

458
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: like those three guys along the defensive front, are so

459
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 3: essential in a three to four because their job becomes

460
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: a whole lot more selfless. They're going to have pedestrian stats.

461
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: There aren't too many three four defensive ends that rack

462
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: up ten sacks in a season. Three four defensive tackles

463
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: basically nose tackles. A lot of their job is to

464
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: make life easier on the two linebackers behind them. We

465
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: might see them address that via the draft, which we'll

466
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Speaker 3: talk about in just a moment. But it is going

467
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 3: to take like a buy in from some of these

468
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: players who might be accustomed to doing certain things. And

469
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: this is not not saying these players won't be willing

470
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 3: to buy in, but it is definitely a different responsibility.

471
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: It's not playing left handed after playing right handed for

472
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: the first X number of years for your career, but

473
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: notable for sure.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an adjustment, absolutely. I know in your mock

475
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: and I realize this is a couple of weeks in

476
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: the rear view mirror. Here you had Peter Woods, the

477
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: Clemson DT going to the Bills, and I was trying

478
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: to watch him and get a sense for his game,

479
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, does that translate to the three four?

480
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't see him. He's three point fifteen. Yeah, he's

481
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: low enough. Leverage wise, he's good.

482
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: He might be more like two nine.

483
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: Right to me, that's not a nose. That's a five

484
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: tech or a four eye, right, Yeah, So I think

485
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: they need a nose badly, only because I think Dion

486
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: Walker's too tall and he plays too high to play

487
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: that spot, so they need a nose.

488
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: When you're playing the three four scheme as well, some

489
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: of these long lever guys like Dion Is. You just

490
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: got guys coming at your lower extremities non stop. Right.

491
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: Your job is to get your hands on the chest

492
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: plate at the offensive lineman in front of you, and

493
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: you got to basically hold your ground and prevent them

494
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: from driving you into the linebackers. And you might have

495
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: guys coming at you for cuts various low level, lower

496
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: extremity blocks, and you're right, yeah, you need some of

497
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: those guys where those guys can really bend and there's

498
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: some good options there and it'll be interesting to see

499
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: how they And not to turn this necessarily directly to

500
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: the draft, but picking at twenty six, you have twenty six.

501
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: There was player like Kati McDonald I'm sure to be

502
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: a popular name over the next two months out of

503
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: Ohio State. Who is a starting level nose tackled. It

504
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: comes down sort of the positional value and where Brandon,

505
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: being his staff, sort of assess that at because on

506
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: the one hand, if he's a starter you're drafting in

507
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: the first round, like that's logical. On the other hand,

508
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: while there'll be a three to four defense in their base,

509
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: how often are four defensive linemen on the field. It's

510
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: a new league, right, the teams are throwing the ball

511
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: left and right. That your fourth defensive lineman may not

512
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: be on the field to begin the game, but he

513
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: might be on the field as soon as the second

514
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: play if someone runs the ball for eight yards or

515
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: for excoose me if and not.

516
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Speaker 1: To cut you off. But Jim Jim Leonard has said

517
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: they want to be He considers his defense to be

518
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: a multiple defense, which.

519
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: Is everybody says that right now, that's great, which is

520
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: it's true, right, I mean, how many defenses just line

521
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: up and play. We are not in the days of

522
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 3: you know, Seattle back in the Legion of Doom days

523
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 3: would just basically say we're gonna play. What we do

524
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 3: will be better than you are, so we'll see. But yeah,

525
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: I think it's important for you know, sub linebackers, nickel corners,

526
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: fourth defensive linemen in these kind of three four defenses

527
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: to know that you're basically a starter even if you

528
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: don't begin the game on the field.

529
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: With ten other players, with the Bills being at number

530
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: twenty six. As you've evaluated this draft class, how many

531
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: first round grades exist truly to you?

532
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the number is probably like I would say,

533
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: it probably approaches eighteen or twenty. And I might be

534
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 3: a little more generous with how I use the first

535
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: round grade than others. I'll say this, I like being

536
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: at twenty six more than I do six this year.

537
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: I guess that would be the Brown specifically at six.

538
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: But there's a good I hate to use the term

539
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: middle class because I think it's underselling some of these prospects,

540
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: but I think that the variant in prospects starts to drop, like,

541
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: starts to become a lot narrower as we get further

542
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: removed from number one. If you ask me, how many

543
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: of the guys in this year's class are blue chip,

544
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: blue chip player like the kind of guys that every

545
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: single year they're going in the top ten of a draft,

546
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: sort of independent of the context of who's picking and

547
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: what that team needs three or four. You know, I

548
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: think I'm put Fronanda Mendoz in that category. David Bailey

549
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: from Texas Tech would be in that category for me.

550
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: Rvel Reese from Ohio State be in that category for me.

551
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: Caleb Downs would be close to that category. Jeremiah Love,

552
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: although he plays running backs. So you know, it's four

553
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: or five max. Maybe more like three or four if

554
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: you sort of if you incorporate positional value as much

555
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 3: as I think is important to do in the draft.

556
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 3: So I'd rather be where the Bills are than a

557
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: team picking eighteen or twenty spots ahead of him.

558
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: And yet here's the conundrum field, because I think it's

559
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: safe to say that if you're looking at Buffalo's roster

560
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: and you say, where are the elite players? They're on offense,

561
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: It's Josh Allen, It's James Cook Cook. They have a

562
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: lot of line collectively at argument, Yeah, they have a

563
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: lot of good to very good players on the defensive

564
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But I don't see a difference maker.

565
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: There's the opponent is game planning for it.

566
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: I've got it.

567
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: And when you're telling me there's a half a dozen

568
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: elite guys in this draft, I'm like, oh geez, how

569
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: are we gonna get one?

570
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: Now?

571
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: I will say there is elite traits that you can

572
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: probably get a little bit later and I'll just tell

573
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: you a guy, because I think if you're gonna get

574
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: an elite skill, the Bills defense is screaming for elite

575
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: speed in the front seven, Sure, screaming for it. Dorian Williams,

576
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: fast player, downhill guy. Maybe he's a mic consideration. I

577
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: don't know two thirty. I'm not an expert on x's

578
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: and o's or you know, skill sets. But I love

579
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: our Mason Thomas. I love this guy, but he is

580
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: elite speed off the edge. Where do you see him

581
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: on your board? Kind of coming off?

582
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: Funny? I tell people this is uh, you know, at

583
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: this part of the year. So like the months of

584
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: January and the beginning portion of February for me at least,

585
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: are usually dedicated towards I'm hammering away on the guys

586
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: that are probably more in like the one fifty to

587
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: three to fifty range, right, because I spent this season

588
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: focusing in on the guys that are going to go

589
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: in the first round and the guys that are probably

590
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: more fringe first round, maybe Day two, day early Day three.

591
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: And then once I've gotten exposure to every players who's

592
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: been invited to the combine, I get back to business

593
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: at the top and R. Mason's one of those guys

594
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: that I sort of rework through my top thirty two

595
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: to fifty guys. You're like, I mean this guy goes

596
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: twentieth overall, I'm gonna be stunned. No, he's got amazing burst.

597
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: If he runs the forty today, which I think he

598
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: said he is planning to, he will absolutely nail it.

599
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: He is incredibly explosive, played through injury this past year,

600
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: plays a million miles an hour, great energy, great effort.

601
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: It's got some real heavy hands as well. He may

602
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: not be to sixty five, but if he's too, fifty

603
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: two three four outside linebacker, plenty of size, he.

604
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: Told us yesterday here at the podium, I'm a two

605
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: fifty guy.

606
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's is totally fine for that scheme. So him,

607
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: Cashus hol from Texas, A and m say sort of

608
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: like dynamic athlete coming off of the edge. Big question

609
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: with Cashu's house that these hit these I'm probably have like,

610
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: you know, twenty five inch arms, but he's at like,

611
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a little bit shy of thirty two

612
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: inch arms, which is not long for past rushing standards.

613
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: But guys that have some serious juice I'm young from Missouri.

614
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: He's got all the measurables you need there, long arms

615
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: and big, strong, powerful hands as well, maybe not quite

616
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: as explosive as those other two.

617
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Guys, more of a power guy.

618
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: Power had great season last year, six and a half sacks,

619
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: two years at Missouri, two years at Michigan State, which

620
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: I have like a third of my database of players

621
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: that actually played at one school. It's like, right, the

622
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: normal so different.

623
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Speaker 1: Now, if there's one positive that comes out of that

624
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: getting used to a new scheme, everybody of these players

625
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: have had to do that, so they come to the

626
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: pros to a new scheme, you know, having been through that,

627
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a silver line.

628
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: Well, because of switching scheme, do you when you're watching

629
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: tape on these guys who are going into the portal

630
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: and playing for two to three schools, do you feel

631
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: like schemes are more vanilla because you're having to shift

632
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: players in and out year at a year and it's

633
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: hard to get everybody on the same page quickly.

634
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: Offense, I don't think that's the case, because there's just

635
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: so many different ways to skin the gat. Defense, you

636
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: might see a little bit more of crossover from one

637
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: year to the next. I think it's probably a little

638
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: bit of an easier evaluation when it's a guy I'll

639
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: use cash as hal who went from Bowling Green to

640
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: Texas A and M like kind of a more understandable

641
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: leap is you know, it's not just maybe there's anil

642
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: money involved, but it's also an opportunity to get exposure

643
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: against bigger competition. You got guys who are going from

644
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: you know, Texas Tech has a pass rusher in Romelo

645
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: Height who might go late second early third round. Played

646
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: at four schools but big schools USC, Auburn, Texas Tech.

647
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm blanking on the fourth at this moment, and so

648
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: those are a little bit trickier to evaluate sort of.

649
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: And I don't you know, these guys as their prerogative, right,

650
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Speaker 3: it's the new world of college football. This stuff happens,

651
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Speaker 3: but they can be a little bit harder to evaluate

652
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Speaker 3: from one scheme in the next, just because they're playing

653
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Speaker 3: at high levels. They're playing with good teammates around them,

654
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Speaker 3: against good competition, and ultimately water finds at level with

655
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Speaker 3: its level with the draft. So good players are going

656
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Speaker 3: to go high. But there's some complicating factors.

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Speaker 1: Other defensive positions, because the Bills are going to be

658
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Speaker 1: in the market for these with I think they're going

659
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Speaker 1: to see more upheaval there personnel wise than we've seen

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Speaker 1: in a decade. Because you don't have guys that have

661
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Speaker 1: been in the same system. You know their fits. To

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Speaker 1: your point that you made earlier, corner class is considered

663
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Speaker 1: to be good, maybe even more at the nickel position. Yeah, really,

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Speaker 1: where the Bills have a guy that's going to turn

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Speaker 1: thirty in July and Tarren Johnson may neede, Well, you

666
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Speaker 1: may need a guy in the pipeline here, and with

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Speaker 1: the way teams are running the ball now, you need

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Speaker 1: a like, bigger, sturdier nickel that can double as a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I love Keyante Scott from Miami. Yeah, I mean that

670
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Speaker 1: guy plays like a linebacker.

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Speaker 3: He certainly. Yeah, Miami's got a couple of good defensive

672
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Speaker 3: backs that played immensely physical this past year. Kiante just

673
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Speaker 3: felt like every time he was on the field, it

674
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Speaker 3: was like a big play waiting to happen, a destructive

675
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Speaker 3: playwaiting to happen. A lot of his damage done near

676
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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage as well. Not too many nickel

677
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Speaker 3: corners that you can say or like close to the

678
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Speaker 3: tone setters of your roster. But Kyante would fall into

679
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Speaker 3: that pretty rare category. He's an example of one of

680
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Speaker 3: the better nickels in this year's class man.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys.

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Speaker 3: Jaden Canaday from Oregon, a guy probably goes late third,

683
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Speaker 3: early fourth round, had a great year this past year

684
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Speaker 3: for Oregon multi school player, but just really frisky got

685
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Speaker 3: guys on Day three that I think will end up

686
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Speaker 3: getting drafted. Is potentially startable nickels. But yeah, this corner class,

687
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Speaker 3: maybe at the top, is a little bit more complicated.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Mansour Delaine from LSU is your

689
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: prototypical first corner off the board every single year. He

690
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Speaker 3: might be the first one this year. Jamal McCoy from

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Speaker 3: Tennessee is an amazing prospect.

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Speaker 1: But basically have a long gone before the bills.

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Speaker 3: He will be yes. But he's not even working out

694
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: ACL tour thirteen months ago, so you know there's some compre's.

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Speaker 3: It's this process hasn't changed entirely from where it was

696
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Speaker 3: ten years ago. But you know, one of the themes

697
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Speaker 3: this week at the Combine is how many players aren't

698
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Speaker 3: working out. So it's a different world of scouting compared

699
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Speaker 3: to where we were between multi schools and minimal combine participation.

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Speaker 3: And you know, guys like him to do some portions

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Speaker 3: of the combine not others. So different world we're in right.

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Speaker 2: Now, for sure, flipping two offense. If the Bills are

703
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Speaker 2: interested in selecting a wide receiver in the first round

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Speaker 2: around that twenty six range, who will be some wide

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Speaker 2: receivers available that can also be difference makers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think we got to talk about guys

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Speaker 3: that maybe fit into like what they need right now.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not really in the business of like piling

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Speaker 3: on further for t Keyon Coleman, I just want to

710
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Speaker 3: note that, like sometimes when you have a draft pick

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Speaker 3: that hasn't gone as planned, it can create a little

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Speaker 3: bit of scar tissue. And I say that because one

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Speaker 3: of the name that I've seen often linked to Buffalo

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Speaker 3: as Denzel Boston from University of Washington, who when Keon

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Speaker 3: Rany ran a four to six one, I believe it

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Speaker 3: was at the combine. I don't think Denzel is that level.

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Speaker 3: But if Denzel is a four five to four, for example,

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Speaker 3: forty yard dashtime, a lot a lot, if not all

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Speaker 3: of the same scouting staff might be like, I don't

720
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Speaker 3: think that's the path that we want to go down

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Speaker 3: to fix some of our wide receiver question marks. So

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Speaker 3: Casey Concepcion from Texas A and M, who you know,

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Speaker 3: he's maybe he's a slot in some people's eyes in

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Speaker 3: the NFL and the and the Bills don't need a

725
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: slot with glut Shakir. But he if he does run,

726
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: will flat out fly. He was one of the best

727
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: big play receivers in all of college football last year.

728
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: Three seasons in college twenty five receiving touchdowns, two punt

729
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Speaker 3: return touchdowns last year for Texas A and M. Dazzling speed.

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Speaker 3: Seven drops this past year was a real problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I thought that, you know, going back and looking and

732
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Speaker 3: reviewing those seven drops, they felt much more concentration than

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Speaker 3: like actual hands issues. But drops or drops, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that Josh Allen or Joe Brady, He's

735
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Speaker 3: gonna feel any better about or any worse about a

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Speaker 3: drop if the player comes on to the sideline and says, yeah,

737
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: it just wasn't concentrating enough, right, So those are a

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Speaker 3: couple of names that could register there for the Bills

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Speaker 3: late in round one Omar Cooper Junior from Indiana name.

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Speaker 3: It's super reliable as well. If he runs, he might

741
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Speaker 3: be high four forwards, maybe low four five's as well,

742
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Speaker 3: but excellent, excellent after the catch.

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Speaker 1: I want to expand this conversation a little bit because

744
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: there are some people who look at Keon Coleman and say, well,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he can be the X they

746
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: hoped he can be. They still need an X, so

747
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna draft it a receiver. And then

748
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: there are other people that say, somebody's got to get open,

749
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Speaker 1: like they need they need a separator. Sure, they need

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Speaker 1: someone who can win against man coverage when it's third

751
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: down and they got to make a play. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know where that necessarily takes us,

753
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Speaker 1: because there's a dichotomy in that conversation, well about what

754
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: people believe the Bills want to add. So are we

755
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Speaker 1: talking like a guy like Jeremy Bernard who can do

756
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Speaker 1: a little bit of everything? Yeah, saw him play, can

757
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: line up outside, can line up inside? Like, do you

758
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Speaker 1: just get a guy that covers all more of the

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Speaker 1: bases or do you get a dynamic talent like a

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Speaker 1: Zachariah Branch who's going to sacrifice size but is lightning

761
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Speaker 1: fast and can separate from just about anybody.

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Speaker 3: Like, where do you.

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Speaker 1: Maybe talk about those two guys and where do you

764
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Speaker 1: go for the best answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeremy Bernard is sort of like buttery smooth. He's

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Speaker 3: a three school player. Get used to that, right, Michigan

767
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Speaker 3: State to Washington to a couple of years in Alabama

768
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Speaker 3: as well, sort of the most reliable player in Alabama office.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of talent. Ryan Williams was a

770
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Speaker 3: highly recruited wide receiver, but Jeremy had the past two

771
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Speaker 3: years has led the team in receiving yards, just kind

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Speaker 3: of mister steady Eddy. Zachariah Branch had one season at

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Speaker 3: Georgia after a couple at USC sixty percent of his

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Speaker 3: targets this past year where right at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: He's a tough projection in that regard and that it's

776
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Speaker 3: possible he can really separate downfield. He wasn't asked to

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Speaker 3: do it much. Maybe the most dynamic field flipper in

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Speaker 3: the class is a guy named Brennan Thompson from Mississippi State,

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Speaker 3: really previously at Oklahoma, it's gonna be one of the

780
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Speaker 3: fastest players the Combine this year. If the Bill's ever

781
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Speaker 3: drafted him, I would require him in Max Harriston to

782
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 3: a forty against each other and see how that goes.

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Speaker 3: Brennan's sacrificing size is five nine and change, but I

784
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Speaker 3: mean he might be four to eight like Max, maybe

785
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Speaker 3: even a one hundredth or so faster than that. So

786
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Speaker 3: capitalizing on Josh's arm strength, which obviously is not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Brennan Thompson, we be one of those guys that it

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Speaker 3: may not be eight catches a game, but it might

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Speaker 3: be you know, a few catches a game and one

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Speaker 3: of them goes for sixty yards and you're saying to yourself,

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Speaker 3: that was easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's nice for the offense to have a drive

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Speaker 3: that can go fast and make it feel good about yourself.

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Speaker 1: to discuss things here regarding our topic of discussion because

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Speaker 1: the workouts begin today. So I will ask you, Maddie Glad,

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Speaker 1: where are your eyes going with the combine workouts today?

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Speaker 1: Is there a specific player in mind? Is there a

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Speaker 1: specific test in mind that you're really going to be

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Speaker 1: glued to today.

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Speaker 2: This is an easy answer. But the forty yard.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the most interesting. I like watching guys run.

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Speaker 2: I like seeing how fast they are. I like watching

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Speaker 2: how they run. I don't know for me. What about you, Brownie,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you have a better answer than me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just I'm thinking about it from the Bills

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Speaker 1: perspective and what I think the team needs. Speed, Yes,

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Speaker 1: what they need to add, And for my money, it's

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Speaker 1: speed at the edge position because this team has been

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Speaker 1: devoid of a pass rusher that upononents have to game

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Speaker 1: plan for. And I think switching to that three to four,

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Speaker 1: we know what the prototype looks like. It's largely six

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Speaker 1: two to six four at that outside linebacker position two

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Speaker 1: forty to two fifty five and somebody who runs very

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Speaker 1: very fast. So when the linebackers or edge guys, whichever

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Speaker 1: category they're in, positionally run, I want to see who's

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Speaker 1: making the grade there. I already mentioned on the show

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Speaker 1: today that my man Crush is Oklahoma's arman.

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Speaker 2: Are Mason Thomas R.

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Speaker 1: Mason Thomas and man Crush. I couldn't even remember his

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Speaker 1: damn name, our Mason Thomas, because his tape is very impressive.

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Speaker 1: And he did that playing hurt this past year and

845
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Speaker 1: was still productive, relentless player, like you know what you're

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Speaker 1: getting on the first sap, the tenth snap, the sixtieth snap.

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Speaker 1: It's the same every single week with him, and he

848
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Speaker 1: played obviously top flight competition in the Sea see every

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Speaker 1: week like I saw him. I watched I actually watched

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Speaker 1: the game when it aired live Alabama, Oklahoma. I watched

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Speaker 1: his start to finish, and I noticed him on the

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Speaker 1: regular and so I was eager to kind of watch

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Speaker 1: his tape and I just did it this morning, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's it. That's my guy. That's the edge

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Speaker 1: rusher for the Bills. And then to hear Field, Yates say,

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Speaker 1: I could see him going as early as twenty and

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Speaker 1: as late as thirty five. The Bills are smack deb

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Speaker 1: in the middle of that range, if anything, a little

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Speaker 1: towards the higher end of that range. And so if

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Speaker 1: that is the case, sign me up, Like I so,

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Speaker 1: I want to see That's what I'm looking for. I

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Speaker 1: want to see how he runs today and a couple

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Speaker 1: of those other guys in the edge class mix, like

864
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking for fits for Buffalo's defense, and you know

865
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: you've got to meet the prerequisite of top end speed

866
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: at the position. Like I know Casius Howell has short arms.

867
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm willing to past that because you know he's got

868
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half sacks in twenty six games at

869
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: A and M and he was the SEC Defensive Player

870
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: of the Year. That's not an easy award to win

871
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: in that conference. So I'll trust the tape, which is encouraging.

872
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: And here's the most encouraging thing about cash is Howell,

873
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: who may go earlier but may slide because of the

874
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: arm length. He's got pass mushroot, pass rush moves out

875
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: the wazoo. I need more coffee. He's got a dip move,

876
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: he's got a rip move, he's got an arm over move,

877
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: he's got a spin move, he's got a von Miller

878
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: ghost move. And then he's got a stab and toss move.

879
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how he does this, but I watched

880
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: it on tape. He tries he tries to one arm

881
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: stab the offensive tackle and then I don't know how

882
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: he does this, but he tosses him at the same time.

883
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: So he stabs, lifts and then gets inside and tosses

884
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: him here. So he can pursue the quarterback, so you

885
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: could sign me up for him too. So I'm curious

886
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: to see how he times.

887
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 2: I haven't watched Cash as Hell yet. I just watched

888
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: Armison Thomas this morning, and because you were fanboying over

889
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: him so much, and I watched three plays and I

890
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: looked at Chris and I said, okay, I'm sold. Yeah,

891
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: the monster with the way he gets after the quarterback.

892
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: Fifteen and a half sackson in in twenty three games

893
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: last two years.

894
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's encouraging. I got to try to find

895
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: more of his run game tape, but you know, you

896
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: got to help set the edge out there, and if

897
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: he comes in a little lighter, I haven't seen his

898
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: measurables yet. And a lot of these guys do at

899
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: the combine because they want to run faster. So he

900
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: plays it too, he told us yesterday, I play it

901
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: two fifty. Well, he may weigh in today at two

902
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: forty two because he's trying to run faster. So let

903
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: me drop seven pounds run faster, and then I'll put

904
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: it on, you know, before I go to you know,

905
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: Rookie Mini Caamp or whatever. Another guy that I was

906
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: curious about because he had a big senior Bowl week

907
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: and a nice final year. Is somebody from your alma mater,

908
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Zion you from Missouri, Michigan state transfer, only played his

909
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: last two years at Missou. I watched his game. In

910
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: my estimation, he is not a speed rusher. He is

911
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: a power rusher, and I think his ideal fit is

912
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: as an end in a four to three system. Strong,

913
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: powerful hands, he's got a power rush. He's got this

914
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: punch and disengage pass rush technique, like he punches the

915
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: heck out of the offensive tackle and then when he's

916
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: got him, no, he doesn't even rip. He punches like

917
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: this and he jolts the guy so much that he's

918
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: got him kind of on his heels, and then it

919
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: just lets him go and then he goes like pushes

920
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: off him and then goes and gets the quarterback, which

921
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: is a very unique move that you don't see with

922
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. But he doesn't have a lot

923
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: of burst off the line, he doesn't have closing speed.

924
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: He's got the quarterback in his sights, and there were

925
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: too many times where the guy got away. He's not

926
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: a long chase player, and the Bills need long chase players.

927
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: They need guys that can bend the edge. He cannot

928
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: bend the edge. He is a four to three defensive

929
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: end as far as I'm concerned, So I don't. I mean, yes,

930
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: you have him on your board for the Bills, but

931
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: he's not an ideal positional fit for the Bills unless

932
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: you want him to put on like ten to fifteen

933
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: more pounds and now go play defensive end. You want

934
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: him to do that, I'll listen to that, But he's

935
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: not an outside linebacker as I see it. And then

936
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: the guy that Daniel Jeremiah on the show yesterday was

937
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: gaga about was a Key Mesidor, who he says is

938
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: his favorite player in the entire draft. I watched his

939
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: tape last night. I think he's overestimated.

940
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: I haven't watched him.

941
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: Relentless motor player, high effort player, high motor player. He's

942
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: got this eurostep move like Miles Garrett, which is exciting

943
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: to see. And he's got a dip and rip move.

944
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: He's got an arm over move, sidestep rake move where

945
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: he side steps the guy and then rakes the arms,

946
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: which is really cool to see. And he's a good

947
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: edgesetter in the run front and you're never gonna wonder

948
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: about what you're gonna get from him. But again closing

949
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: speed not elite fails to finish the play, sometimes with

950
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback on the ground. Again, another guy who's not

951
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: a long chase player. So again, look what I let

952
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: him play defensive end in the Bill system. Absolutely, but

953
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: the Bills have to get speed. That is the number

954
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: one priority prerequisite. They absolutely have to add speed to

955
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: their defense in the front seven. I'm not saying they

956
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: don't have fast guys on the back end. I'm talking

957
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: front seven here. You need speed to burn You gotta

958
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: think about thinking Nick Benito here. That's what Jim Leonard

959
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: needs if his defensive system is going to be successful.

960
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: And Armison Thomas said, Nick Benito is who I model

961
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: my game after, and I believe that I would be

962
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: a good comp to how he plays the game. And

963
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: then he said, you know, I would love to play

964
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: next to Nick Benito because he's asked a question of

965
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: how would you fit in a system that had Nick

966
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: Benito in it. Jim Leonard comes from that system to

967
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: the Bills, and his eyes lit up when he started

968
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: to talk about Nick Benito and what Benito has done

969
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: for the Denver Broncos.

970
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's the Oklahoma connection there. Our Mason Thomas

971
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: obviously played at Oklahoma, so too did Nick Benito, and

972
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: so they've crossed paths a few times, become friendly, and

973
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: their games are strikingly similar. So yeah, I'm all for that.

974
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: You want to learn from that cat, go go knock

975
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: yourself out. The most interesting case there is r vel Reez,

976
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: who told us yesterday at the podium, I believe I'm

977
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. I believe that's what my strongest position is,

978
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: projecting to the next level. The problem is he was

979
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: playing off ball linebacker for Ohio State a lot. They

980
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: would have him spy the quarterback a lot, and so

981
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: there isn't film of him in that role. He suddenly

982
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: becomes strictly a projection, which kind of makes scouts a

983
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: little uneasy sometimes. Now, the physical traits are clearly there, clearly,

984
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: but I wonder who has trouble with that kind of projection,

985
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm curious to see how

986
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: that goes. We have to take a break here. When

987
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: we get back, we are going to check the tweet

988
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: sheet out to see what you have to say about

989
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: exactly what you're looking at from the combine testing that

990
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: starts today with defensive linemen and linebackers. Will do that

991
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: when we return for our number two. We also have

992
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: draft guru Dane Brugler his draft guide, which is one

993
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: of the most comprehensive out there. Every single year. It's

994
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: like something like three hundred and fifty pages. It's a novel,

995
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: or actually it's a nonfiction work. So we'll talk to

996
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: him about that. It's probably not going to come out

997
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: till April, but we'll talk about the Beast and then

998
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: we'll pump him for information, just like we did Field

999
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Yates about this upcoming draft class. We'll do that next.

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Speaker 1: You're all One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. This

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Speaker 1: this is One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health. All

1002
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: right back here Inanapolis for hour number two. Chris Brown

1003
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Matti lab with you, and we turn now to the

1004
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: lead draft analyst for the Athletic. It is one Dane Brugler,

1005
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: who puts together his three hundred plus page draft guide

1006
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: usually around early April. It's one of the more comprehensive

1007
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: ones you'll find out there. He joins us every year

1008
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: at the Combine, and he's doing it again here. So

1009
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: here is our conversation with one Dane Brugler on this

1010
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: year's draft class and what the Bills might be looking for.

1011
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: All right back here on One Bills Live Chris Brown

1012
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: Maddie glab live from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, and

1013
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: sitting in between us right now is the author of

1014
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: The Beast, one of the biggest, most comprehensive draft guides

1015
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: you will find out there, not out yet but soon

1016
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: to be out as he is making final drafts of

1017
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: his draft guide.

1018
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 4: What do you think in mid March, late March, early April. Okay,

1019
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 4: get fans a couple of weeks for the draft. Yeah,

1020
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: hopefully digest as much as Paul.

1021
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: I think it's by design you create a big appetite

1022
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: for it with The Beast, because people are like, yet,

1023
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: is it out yet? I need it?

1024
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 4: It has to all the PROA information in there, and

1025
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 4: so the PRODA and so, you know, as extensive as

1026
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 4: it is, you know it can't have any missing data

1027
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: points and so having all the pro de.

1028
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 5: Yes, you know me, well, is that ahead?

1029
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: Speaking of those data points, what do you get out

1030
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: of the NFL? Scott in combine. You were listening in

1031
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: on interviews today, right.

1032
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 4: I think that it's this is a fact finding mission

1033
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: really at the combine.

1034
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 5: It's about the context.

1035
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: It's about filling in those last five to seven percent

1036
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: of the profiles that we're missing. Whether it's it could

1037
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 4: be something athletic testing, it could be the interviews, it

1038
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 4: could be some of the medical information. You know, there's

1039
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 4: something to be gained by, uh for all these players

1040
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 4: at each one of the It could be verified measurements,

1041
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 4: understanding exactly how long those arms are, you know, whatever

1042
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 4: it may be, but there's something at every position that

1043
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 4: I can get out of this. And you know, I'm

1044
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 4: looking forward to tomorrow when the workouts start, sitting down

1045
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: being able to.

1046
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 5: Watch these guys work out one after the other.

1047
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: And for me, it's great for a reference point because

1048
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 4: you're having these guys work out one after the other,

1049
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: so you have an immediate frame of reference that Okay,

1050
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: he can move a little more better this way this,

1051
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: and you know, how does that translate to the field.

1052
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 4: So I think it combine gets a bad rap, you know,

1053
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 4: underwear Olympics and things like that.

1054
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 5: But you know, legendary scout SiO Bracado, who is.

1055
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Speaker 4: One of my mentors, you know, told me early on,

1056
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 4: if you don't value the combine, you just don't know

1057
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: how to use it. And so I think there's a

1058
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 4: lot of things to be learned from this week.

1059
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: Give us your overarching thoughts on this draft class, because

1060
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: the things we are hearing are strong on the defensive

1061
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: side of the ball. We know it's a week quarterback class.

1062
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: That probably only adds to the fact that it probably

1063
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: leans heavily towards the defensive side of the ball. But

1064
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: where through the draft is that tipping point where it

1065
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: really favors defense. And we could see like twenty out

1066
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: of thirty five picks go defense at some stretches.

1067
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think that's the first round, second round.

1068
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 4: It's going to be light on quarterback, light on running back.

1069
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: I've never seen it light at both spots before. Sometimes

1070
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 4: we're light at one but not both. For example, you

1071
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 4: have to go back to nineteen eighty five, the last

1072
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 4: time we had fewer than ten combined at those two

1073
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: positions drafted in the top one hundred. I only have

1074
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Speaker 4: six combined right now and three running backs. Three quarterbacks. Now,

1075
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: maybe you know a couple more get sneak in there

1076
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 4: because guys get overvalued and overdrafted. But that's just kind

1077
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: of an example of how light it is at those

1078
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 4: two positions. But we're gonna see plenty offensive lineman drafted,

1079
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 4: plenty of wide receivers drafted. It's a pretty deep group

1080
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 4: of tight ends. But for the most part, edge rushers, linebackers, corners,

1081
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 4: those guys are gonna fly off the board. Every draft

1082
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 4: has its own identity, its own you know theme. One

1083
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: of the themes of this draft is, especially in the

1084
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: top fifteen, just draft good football players.

1085
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 5: You know, we can get.

1086
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 4: Caught up and chasing the traits and looking focusing on

1087
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 4: upside more so than what the tape tells us. When

1088
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 4: you're talking about a safety in the top ten, a

1089
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 4: running back in the top ten, an off ball linebacker

1090
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: like Sonny Styles, you'll want a the guard from Penn

1091
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: State is one of the.

1092
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 5: Best players in this draft.

1093
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 4: When you're talking about those types of players at those positions,

1094
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 4: just draft the good players. At the bottom line, that's

1095
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 4: what's gonna.

1096
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 5: Make your team better.

1097
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: One thing Brandon Bean told us yesterday is the most

1098
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: important thing to me is to figure out who loves

1099
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: football as much as possible, and that's really important to

1100
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: identify here at the scouting combine. With a new head

1101
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: coach here in Buffalo and Joe Brady, the Bill's hired

1102
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: Jim Leonard as their defensive coinator, they'll shift schemes from

1103
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: four three to three four. You mentioned those edge rushers

1104
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: the defensive line class as well as the linebackers. Who

1105
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: are some players that you've really fallen in love with

1106
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: in the scouting process.

1107
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 5: At any position or just ed rushers.

1108
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: Or any of them then stand out to you.

1109
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that.

1110
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 4: Talking about some of those guys, especially in that late

1111
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 4: first round area, like Omar Cooper junior from Indiana would

1112
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 4: would definitely be one that just I love the way

1113
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: he plays, the attitude he plays with. Both his parents

1114
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: were big time basketball players and so he grew up

1115
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 4: playing basketball and you can kind of see that at

1116
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 4: the catch point.

1117
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 5: The ball skills are fantastic.

1118
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 4: But his toughness at the catch point and then after

1119
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 4: the catch is fantastic. And so he's a He was

1120
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 4: a slot receiver in college, although I don't think he's

1121
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 4: only a slot receiver. He can play on the outside

1122
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: if you want him to. So Omar Cooper Junior definitely

1123
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 4: falls in that category. He was a big part of

1124
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 4: why Indiana won the national title this year. I just

1125
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 4: stick with Indiana. D'Angel ponds the corner, Like the size

1126
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 4: is the size. He's gonna be under five to nine.

1127
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna be under thirty inches in terms of arm length.

1128
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: But if you want a dog at corner, the way

1129
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 4: he competes every single play is outstanding. And he's a

1130
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: one hundred meter champion one hundred meters in high school,

1131
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 4: so the speed shouldn't be an issue here at the combine,

1132
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 4: he should test very well, But just the way he

1133
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 4: competes and the way he plays, it's hard not to

1134
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 4: really like him as a as a guy that can

1135
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: play inside or outside. You know, sometimes you want to

1136
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 4: move the smaller corners inside to nickel. I think he

1137
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: can play outside, even though there will be times where

1138
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 4: he has a clear disadvantage size wise, but the way

1139
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 4: he plays, I think he can handle it.

1140
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: There's a good chance in free agency that the Bills

1141
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: are not going to be able due to their cap

1142
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: constraints to re sign Connor McGovern or David Edwards, who

1143
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: could get upwards of seventeen to twenty million a year.

1144
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: The guard position has exploded in terms of value on

1145
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: the open market, so the Bills could be in line

1146
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: for some interior offensive line help. They have Alec Anderson

1147
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: and Cedric van Prey and Grainger in the pipeline there,

1148
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: but they're probably going to bring in some competition. You

1149
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: mentioned linemen are going to get drafted that's probably mostly

1150
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: tackled early. What is the interior o line value you know?

1151
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: Down two, three four, Because I'm looking at like Farmer

1152
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: Pregnon Slaughter from Florida, Dunker from Iowa, Shrop from Notre Dames,

1153
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: Zoom from a and m Casey from Boise State, Like

1154
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: are those guys capable because there's some that are long

1155
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: in the tooth there, red shirt senior like Slaughter can

1156
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: Like what's the hit the ground running ability of some

1157
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: of those guys.

1158
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, A Menuel Pregnan from Oregon, he's been around a while.

1159
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 5: I think he's ready to step in.

1160
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: Jennings Dunker a tackle at Iowa, gonna move inside probably

1161
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 4: to guard. I think he's ready to hit the ground running.

1162
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, those are good names. Sam Hex from Kansas

1163
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 4: State would be another one who's kind of right there.

1164
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 5: In that maybe a top one hundred pick.

1165
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 4: Maybe not, but because there are several teams that need

1166
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: a center, I could see him. Because not a great

1167
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 4: center class, we probably won't see one drafted in the

1168
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: top sixty probably, But once we get into especially the

1169
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 4: third round, that's where the Jake Slaughters and those guys

1170
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 4: are gonna come off the board pretty quickly. But overall,

1171
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna see the Penn State guard go

1172
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 4: early and then a little bit of.

1173
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 5: A drop off.

1174
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 4: Chase Pisontis from Texas A and M is a really

1175
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 4: good player on day two, probably goes somewhere in the

1176
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 4: second round, and then third round might be that sweet

1177
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 4: spot if you're looking for a guard, a center, somebody

1178
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 4: that can come in pretty quickly and help upgrade your interior.

1179
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: I believe you have seventeen wide receivers in your top

1180
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: one hundred, a lot of wide receivers. You mentioned Omar

1181
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: Cooper Junior. Who are some other wide receivers who could

1182
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: be available late in the first round, possibly early in

1183
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: the second two if Buffalo chooses to trade back.

1184
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Casey concepts she owned from Texas A and M

1185
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 4: who is a playmaker with the ball in his hands

1186
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 4: and so there are some drops and you have to

1187
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 4: be okay with that. You hope that the focus drops

1188
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 4: get better. But when you get the ball in his hands,

1189
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 4: he can go make plays. And whether that's from the slot,

1190
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: whether that's from the outside. So concept you on, I

1191
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: think is going to have a lot of interest in

1192
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 4: the back half around one Denzel Boston. You know, if

1193
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 4: you're looking for more of that traditional extra he can

1194
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 4: also be a big slot, but he gives you a big,

1195
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 4: big target and he can catch the ball outside his frame.

1196
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 4: He's a really good hands catcher. I don't have a

1197
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 4: ton of concerns about the way he plays. It's just

1198
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 4: he's not gonna separate easily. You're going to see what

1199
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 4: he runs here. You know, is he a four four

1200
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 4: eight guy? Ors he a four or five six guy?

1201
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 4: You know, just to better understand that speed. He's not

1202
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 4: someone that's gonna blow by corners, but he can win

1203
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 4: contested situations.

1204
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 5: You He'll give you a.

1205
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 4: Target and as long as you have a quarterback that's

1206
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 4: gonna trust him, he will put the ball in places

1207
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 4: to uh he can go make a play. So Boston

1208
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 4: conceptci Omar Cooper Junior. Those three guys immediately stand out

1209
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 4: in that late first round area.

1210
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: It looks the Bills could have some upheaval on the

1211
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball switching schemes under Leonard. As

1212
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: Man mentioned, they have like three free agents at the

1213
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: safety position alone, and Taylor Rap's coming off a major

1214
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: knee injury. We don't know what his status is going

1215
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: to be through the course of the offseason. I think

1216
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: if the Bills had their druthers, they'd like to get

1217
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: a veteran to pair with Cole Bishop. But if they can't,

1218
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking at again older players, which there

1219
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: are a lot of them in this draft, and I'm

1220
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: thinking of like red shirt seniors like Wheatley from Penn

1221
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: State and then Keyante Scott who might be more of

1222
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: a nickel hybrid safety type. So are there experienced guys again,

1223
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm much like the interior line. Are there older players

1224
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: that have a high floor that may be able to

1225
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: challenge for, you know, a starting role and maybe compete

1226
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: with the Jordan Ancott for example.

1227
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt.

1228
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 4: I think this is a good draft if you're looking

1229
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 4: for safeties guys that have nickel flex. Keyante Scott's interesting

1230
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 4: because he's so good near.

1231
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 5: The line of strategees.

1232
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 3: He's almost like a.

1233
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 4: Linebacker and a corner body, but he plays nickel.

1234
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 5: You know.

1235
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 4: It's just so if you're really going to lean into

1236
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 4: that specific skill set, I think that'd be tremendous value

1237
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 4: there in the third round. Probably a J Hall see

1238
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 4: from LSU love the instincts. Zakey Wheatley Penn State is.

1239
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 5: A good name.

1240
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: Genesis Smith.

1241
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 4: Smith is interesting because he's if you want that true

1242
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 4: center field skill set, he's your guy.

1243
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: If they like Bishop up near the line, it seems right,

1244
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: not that he can't play center field, but I think

1245
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: he's best up there, so they're probably looking for a

1246
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: center field.

1247
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 5: You just have to be okay with his tackling.

1248
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 4: And that's why we're talking about him as a third

1249
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 4: or fourth round pick and not.

1250
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: A first or second dragdown guy or if you're lucky

1251
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: oh wow, yeah, well, and that's that's the tough part.

1252
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: He will test how much you're willing to sacrifice the

1253
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 4: tackling for ball skills, range, the ability to make plays

1254
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 4: and coverage. And so I think of like Kayln Bullock

1255
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 4: for the Texans. Oh yeah, that was like him that

1256
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 4: that was his concern coming out of USC and that's

1257
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 4: why he went like seventy seventh or something in the draft.

1258
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 4: Was not a great tackler, but he could make some

1259
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 4: plays and coverage, and so that's that's what the type

1260
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 4: of safety we're talking about with Genesis Smith, which it's

1261
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 4: not a disqualifier, but it does bring up some interesting Yeah.

1262
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the edge rusher class and the linebacker

1263
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: class having depth this year. Who are some of the

1264
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: most versatile edge rushers and linebackers.

1265
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 5: I think you know Zion Young from Missouri.

1266
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 4: You know, he sets a hard edge, but he can

1267
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 4: also you know, he wants to go through you as

1268
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 4: a pass rusher and a lot of times you can

1269
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 4: do that.

1270
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: T J.

1271
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 4: Parker Clemson another one who likes to use that full

1272
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 4: extension and then work off of that.

1273
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 5: I think, you know, he would make sense in that

1274
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 5: late first early second round range.

1275
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: It's there.

1276
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 4: You mentioned seventeen receivers, sixteen edg rushers in my top

1277
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 4: one hundred, so and honestly, there were three or four

1278
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 4: I hated leaving out that could absolutely make a case

1279
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 4: to be in there. So this is a draft where

1280
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 4: are you looking for speed? Are you looking for power.

1281
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 4: Are you looking for more of an edge setter? You

1282
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: want someone that you know you are gonna put in

1283
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 4: there on passing downs, on third downs. So depending on

1284
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 4: exactly the type of pass rusher you're looking for, I

1285
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 4: think this draft has a little bit of something for everybody.

1286
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: Taking that conversation a step further, as we know, you

1287
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: know Leonard three to four, he's probably looking for his

1288
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: Nick Benito's and Jonathan Cooper's like screamers off the edge.

1289
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: The problem here, Dane is you got eighteen teams in

1290
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Speaker 1: the NFL last season that did not have a double

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Speaker 1: digit pass rusher in terms of sex. Everybody's looking for that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you talk about quarterbacks being overvalued. Could you

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Speaker 1: almost see edge rushers getting overvalued and flying off the board?

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Speaker 1: And now one like where could you see how early

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Speaker 1: could you see this run getting ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think it pretty quickly, especially if personally I have

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Speaker 4: fourteen first run grades this year, which is lower than

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Speaker 4: most years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not for the whole draft, you're not talking ed Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Not just edge whole draft. I think teams will be

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Speaker 5: kind of close to that.

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Speaker 4: And so once you get through those names and you're

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Speaker 4: gonna draft somebody at twenty two, twenty seven, a lot

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Speaker 4: of teams are gonna be like, let's take the edge rusher,

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Speaker 4: Let's let's take the tackle, Let's take the edge rusher

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Speaker 4: lit the position exactly, and so you know, and then

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Speaker 4: thinking about that three four, like our Mason Thomas is

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Speaker 4: a guy that comes to mind Oklahoma who and even

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Speaker 4: said talking to him at his interview, like Nick Benito

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Speaker 4: is somebody that he watches all the film because that's

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Speaker 4: to someone, you know, Oklahoma connection, that's who he wants

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Speaker 4: to model this game after.

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Speaker 5: And he wants to he wants to run a four

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Speaker 5: to four out here this week. So he's he's an

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Speaker 5: athletic dude.

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Speaker 4: And it just asked Will Campbell about and Will Campbell

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Speaker 4: gave up two sacks in as a three year starter

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Speaker 4: at LSU. One of them was last year at or

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Speaker 4: two years ago. To our Mason Thomas, he's a good player.

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Speaker 2: Wow, last question for me. The Beast also contains some

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Speaker 2: great storytelling about these prospects and and just really dives

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Speaker 2: into who they are, where they come from, more than

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Speaker 2: I think anywhere else that you can find info on

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Speaker 2: these prospects that are about to enter the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: As you've started that research, is there a prospect that

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Speaker 2: you come across that you think really has a cool story.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 4: That's my favorite part of this is, you know, because

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Speaker 4: they're all on the doorstep of the NFL, but they

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Speaker 4: all got here in different ways.

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Speaker 5: Key to Abney Corner from Arizona State. I think it'll

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Speaker 5: be a third round pick.

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Speaker 4: He was a three hundred meter national champion in seventh

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Speaker 4: grade inline skating.

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Speaker 5: Wow, which you don't hear very often.

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Speaker 4: And I tell you watching him play Corner, you can't

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Speaker 4: tell me ten years of doing rollerblading competitively growing up

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Speaker 4: didn't help develop that core balance.

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Speaker 1: And he's got to have like gigantic quad right, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Like Barkley right. So I think that's fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Jack Kelly, the linebacker from BYU, grew up he won

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Speaker 4: a national championship at five years old and BMX racing.

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Speaker 4: Didn't play football growing up because he didn't have any time.

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Speaker 4: It was just BMX racing all the time. And so

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Speaker 4: he got to high school he said, yeah, maybe i'll

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Speaker 4: differentiate a little bit, pick up something different. Turns out

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Speaker 4: he's pretty good at football as well, And I think

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Speaker 4: that'll show with you know, the way he played, the

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Speaker 4: way he works out here, should be only a four

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Speaker 4: or five maybe in a four to four guy. Uh

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Speaker 4: but yeah, Jack Kelly, a Day three linebacker who is

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Speaker 4: just a really good player. But yeah, that the background

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Speaker 4: of these guys. Brian Parker, who one of those talking

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Speaker 4: about those centers in late round three, early round four,

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Speaker 4: he's dating Tony Boselli's daughter, and so you know that

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Speaker 4: earmark him for the.

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Speaker 5: Jaguars round three. He's he's a good player.

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Speaker 1: Set up the boyfriend and girlfriend living close to one another.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the corners. There's always a premium on tall,

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Speaker 1: long corners outside. Two names that I saw that seem

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Speaker 1: to fit that measurable Bino's Son from Ohio State six

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Speaker 1: two one ninety five and then Devin Moore from Florida

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Speaker 1: six three one ninety eight. Does their style of play

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Speaker 1: match their length and size.

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Speaker 5: Outside Igbanosen, no question about it.

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Speaker 4: You have to reel him back because he is so

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Speaker 4: handsy and likes to use that length. The last two years,

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Speaker 4: sixteen coverage penalties. Oh but twelve of them. We're twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four four of them this past year.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so that's what you hope that.

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Speaker 4: That's what you're telling yourself when you're considering drafting him,

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Speaker 4: is hey, we're trending in the right direction. Now you

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Speaker 4: know it's it's something that's always gonna be part of

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Speaker 4: his game. But how many coaches would love for that

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Speaker 4: aggressiveness to be.

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Speaker 1: Well, you'd rather any coaches tell you they rather reel

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Speaker 1: him back in than have to push exactly.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's why Igbinosa, especially after a test here,

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Speaker 4: he should be a good tester. He'll have thirty three

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Speaker 4: inch arms and he should go out there run a

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Speaker 4: four to four to no problem.

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Speaker 5: So I expect him to go somewhere in the top

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Speaker 5: fifty and more.

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Speaker 4: Is interesting because he really only had one year of

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Speaker 4: healthy tape this past year, so durability factor is part

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Speaker 4: of his story and projection and where he ultimately draft him.

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Speaker 4: But if you keep him on the field, he's a

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Speaker 4: good player.

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Speaker 1: Dan, We appreciate the time as always. You're like a

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Speaker 1: font of in. It's scary how much stuff you cram

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Speaker 1: into that brain every year and then flush it out

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Speaker 1: for the next year. So we appreciate your brain power

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Speaker 1: because lord knows, I can't cram that many people in

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Speaker 1: my hair.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever do anything with the Beast of yours

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Speaker 2: pass or do you kind of let it go and

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Speaker 2: let it be?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 4: No, I mean I find myself going back to it

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Speaker 4: all the time, especially like free agency. You know, what

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Speaker 4: was this guy four years ago coming out? What was

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Speaker 4: this forty time again?

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Speaker 5: Or what was you know?

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Speaker 4: So I get that from fans all the time. Who

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Speaker 4: it's a reference guy exactly. It really is a reference guy.

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Speaker 4: It's a living document that you go back and reference

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Speaker 4: all the time. So that's pretty cool that it's become now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dang, thanks again for the time. The Beast will

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Speaker 1: be out in early to mid April, so keep an

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Speaker 1: eye out for that on Theathletic dot Com. We'll take

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Speaker 1: a break, Thanks very much, Dan, Thanks thanks guys, thank

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Speaker 1: you searing draft analysts for the Athletic. We've got to

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Speaker 1: take a break. But when we come back, Maddie and

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Speaker 1: I will reveal our arm length. And I was quite

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Speaker 1: surprised and taken aback as to what that was. And

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Speaker 1: it's longer than one of the top prospects in this

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Speaker 1: year's draft, which makes absolutely no sense to me. We'll

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Speaker 1: tell you about that and read some of your tweets

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Speaker 1: about just what you're looking for in the combine workouts

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Speaker 1: here in Indy which begin later this afternoon. That's all

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Speaker 1: next here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live. Where are Live?

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Speaker 1: Coverage of the NFL combine continues here in Indianapolis. Topic

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Speaker 1: of discussion for you today was where will you where

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Speaker 1: will your eyes go? With the combine workouts. Caffeine still

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Speaker 1: hasn't kicked in. I'm looking at linebacker speed today knowing

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Speaker 1: the Bills are in dire need of a speed quotient,

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Speaker 1: a higher speed quotient on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: particularly at the edge rusher position. So I'm watching those

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Speaker 1: guys today for sure. We want to know what you

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Speaker 1: are looking for. And tweetsheet is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and Greg says three cone drill shuttles, bench press,

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Speaker 1: and medical need to know who has a lead short area,

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Speaker 1: quickness and agility speed kills. However, it is not the

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Speaker 1: most important drill. Well, that's a matter of opinion. There

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Speaker 1: are different drills that prevent that present value for different positions,

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Speaker 1: and the three cone drill, for example, will help for

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Speaker 1: defensive players you can assess what is their lateral agility.

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Speaker 1: Like the short shuttle, that helps with lateral agility assessments.

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a player that plays most

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Speaker 1: of his game in reverse, like a cornerback, that's a

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Speaker 1: valuable drill. Three cone drill is also kind of valuable

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Speaker 1: in assessing bigger players and how stiff they might because

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Speaker 1: if you have lose hips, you can kind of get

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Speaker 1: in and out of those drills pretty quickly. If you

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Speaker 1: a little stiff through the back and the hips, you

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Speaker 1: look a little gawky doing that drill, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: trying to do it fast. So I get it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Steve had a great story about when he had to

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Speaker 1: work out. So a scout comes to Northwestern's campus to

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Speaker 1: work him out, and he obviously timed well in the

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Speaker 1: forty because I think he said his best forty time

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Speaker 1: was four to three three and then blaze, and then

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Speaker 1: he had to do the short shuttle, and he was

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Speaker 1: even better in the short shuttle. So it's twenty yards,

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Speaker 1: you go five yards this way, ten yards this way,

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Speaker 1: and then ten yards it's twenty five total, I think

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Speaker 1: now that I think about it. And so he did

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Speaker 1: it in four to one eight on the guy's hand

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Speaker 1: times four one eight. So the scout didn't believe the

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Speaker 1: times he made him running again, he had a similar time,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm gonna need you to run it

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Speaker 1: one more time because nobody's gonna believe that this is

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Speaker 1: the time for your twenty shuttle.

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Speaker 2: No way.

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Speaker 1: He made him run a three times because he didn't

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Speaker 1: believe the time was that good, which I think is

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Speaker 1: kind of cool. Yep, I never got his vertical though.

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Speaker 1: I never found out what his vertical was because he

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Speaker 1: didn't get invited to the combine. He was a ninth

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Speaker 1: round pick, as we know. But I thought that was

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Speaker 1: a cool story for one eight a shuttle like that

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Speaker 1: is change of direction, insanity because some of the best

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Speaker 1: guys here at the combine even nowadays, do you like

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Speaker 1: four two two or four to two five? Four one

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Speaker 1: eight is next? Now you know why the scout was incredulous,

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Speaker 1: Like looking at his watch, it was pretty wild. Peter

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Speaker 1: on the tweets sheet says, I'm not so interested in

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Speaker 1: the forty speed. We need quickness over speed. They are

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Speaker 1: two different things. You're right about that. I'm more interested

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Speaker 1: in the cones, especially for the edge rusher's quickness in

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Speaker 1: a four to five yard area. Yeah, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I get it, Yes, But I think for an edge

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Speaker 1: position it's explosiveness and burst more than it is quickness,

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Speaker 1: because when you're coming off the edge there and you're

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Speaker 1: wider in a three to four because there's five of

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Speaker 1: you up on the line of scrimmage, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of running the hoop or winning. And you know, shortest

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Speaker 1: distance between two points is a straight line. So I

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Speaker 1: would argue burst an explosiveness for an edge rusher over quickness,

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Speaker 1: because quickness is you know, how fast you can shake

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Speaker 1: a guy out of his shoes. That's good at receiver

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Speaker 1: as we know. Could you make a case for that

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Speaker 1: at edge, yes, But I wouldn't put it above explosiveness

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Speaker 1: because the most important thing for an edge rusher is

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Speaker 1: get off time. And if you are jumping thirty six

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Speaker 1: inches and you're getting ten foot eight in the broad jump,

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Speaker 1: you have burst an explosive explosiveness. So those are the

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Speaker 1: key tests to look for, if you like, I want

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Speaker 1: to see what the edge rushers run, and then the

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: next thing I'm looking at is vertical leap and broad

1504
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: jump because that is an indicator of how explosive you are.

1505
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 1: So and the ten yard split two, the ten yard

1506
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: split on the forty that's big four get off speed.

1507
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: That's an indicator for get off speed. And then obviously

1508
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: they'll run all the drills too that like that figure

1509
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: eight hoop drill. I like that one a lot where

1510
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: they got to put the towel on the ground, run

1511
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: around the hoop, come back, and then pick the towel

1512
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: back up. That really shows you how bendable they are

1513
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,719
Speaker 1: when they're running the pass rush arc. So I'm really

1514
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: gonna look at that too. The position drills as well,

1515
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: So a lot to look at.

1516
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 2: Would you go over there and watch it all? Have

1517
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 2: you done that in the years past?

1518
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: I did it, Yeah, I did it a while ago.

1519
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: But I gotta be honest, like you gotta have binoculars,

1520
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: and you have to have a running list of the

1521
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: players because you have to know, oh L four is

1522
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: you know they weren't back when I did. Maybe they

1523
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: do now because they have fans in there. I like

1524
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: the television coverage because it's all right there in front

1525
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: of you and you can just keep up to date.

1526
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: They're doing the heavy lifting for you, where you know,

1527
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: you don't need a program and a list and you

1528
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: know all that stuff. Not to mention the fact that

1529
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they announced the times. Oh they posted

1530
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: on the scoreboard. Now, I think they never used to

1531
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: do that either. So you're sitting there watching, like, was

1532
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: that was that fast? I think it was. So. I

1533
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: think the television coverage is far better than watching it

1534
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: in person. I remember we watched the quarterbacks one year,

1535
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: it might have been Josh's year that we watched the quarterbacks.

1536
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: That was interesting because you had a better on TV.

1537
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't translate as well because a lot of the

1538
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: cameras are down on the field and they're throwing the

1539
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: ball and leaves the frame and like you have no

1540
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: reference point as to how far it is, how well

1541
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: did he lead the receiver, And when you're in the building,

1542
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: obviously you can just see the whole trajectory of the pass.

1543
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: And I mean he was launching him like sixty seventy yards.

1544
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was on display. Darnald threw in that

1545
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: one now that I remember too, and I've heard Josh

1546
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: even talk about this. I don't know how Darnald does it,

1547
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: but the spin rate of his ball is like two

1548
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: times faster than everybody else's. Even Josh has marveled at it.

1549
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know how he gets the spin

1550
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 1: on the ball that he does, but his pass spins.

1551
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: It's probably not twice as fast, but it spins appreciably

1552
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: faster than a lot of the other quarterbacks that were

1553
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: in his class that year. And as we know, like

1554
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: Lamar can throw it a mile, Josh can throw it

1555
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: a mile. Sam can spin it very quickly. It's just

1556
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: the way he throws it. I guess I don't know,

1557
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: but what that does is it helps with your accuracy

1558
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: and it helps cut through the wind better because it's

1559
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: spinning so fast. So each guy's got strengths. Everybody's got

1560
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 1: their strength, I guess. Dinah. On the tweets, Sheeet says,

1561
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,520
Speaker 1: watch all of it, but most interested in the position drills,

1562
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: and that is really where the proof is in the pudding. Especially.

1563
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, obviously when we're watching college football, we're not

1564
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: watching offensive alignment very much, but you watch the position

1565
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: drills for offensive line when that him pop up off

1566
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: the ground and they got to shuffle this way, shuffle

1567
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 1: that way, and do all that stuff. You can see

1568
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: very quickly like who's a little stiff? And you know,

1569
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: I like those drills for O line. I'm trying to

1570
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: think if there's any other other ones that are really good.

1571
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: The Gauntlet's always fun, but that's just more of an

1572
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: entertainment value.

1573
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 2: I asked Brandon Bean which drill he could test off

1574
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 2: the charts with, and he said the Gauntlet. He's like,

1575
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: I think I'd be okay at the gauntlet.

1576
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because he's not running as fast as the

1577
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: guys that do that, and neither would I.

1578
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 2: But first it was like, oh gosh, like looked at

1579
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 2: me like, why are you asking me this question. You're athletic,

1580
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 2: you're golfer, tell me, he said. Gallant.

1581
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: We still remember Taron Johnson, the poor guy again hitting

1582
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: the face for the football because he was looking the

1583
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: wrong way. Poor guy. They run that at least once

1584
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: a year.

1585
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: I feel it always comes back around.

1586
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, ye, poor guy. It's like

1587
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: an annual thing. It's like, jeez, man, can I ever

1588
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: live this down? I looked him the wrong way once?

1589
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: Bead for it dearly. I'm trying to remember, obviously we

1590
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: all remember Max's forty last year when he ran a

1591
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: four to two eight. I just remember him looking up

1592
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: at the scoreboard.

1593
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 3: How kitty he was.

1594
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: He's jumping like he's a five year old kid. I

1595
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: was so happy he ran a four to eight, which

1596
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: proved to be the fastest time here at the combine.

1597
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: Last year, they're saying that three, maybe four guys might

1598
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: run sub four three. Now those are corners and receivers.

1599
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean that Brendan Thompson kid. The receiver is probably

1600
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: gonna run fast. So everybody loves to stop watch. I

1601
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: think the favorite thing that I like that NFL network

1602
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: does this when they do the comparison. They superimpose one

1603
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: guy over the other and they show a three hundred

1604
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: pound I remember, like Jordan Davis, he ran like a

1605
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: four to seven eight, which was ridiculous for a three

1606
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five pound guy. And then they had

1607
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: some quarterback that ran slower than him. So here's big

1608
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: fella and he's just nipping the quarterback at the wire.

1609
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: I love when they do those race comparisons. Those are great.

1610
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: Do you do you are you going to gravitate to

1611
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: a position here? Maybe not today. I mean, we got

1612
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: edge and defensive line, which our position needs for the bills,

1613
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: But was there one that you still feel like you

1614
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: don't have a handle on the athleticism of the class

1615
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: and you want to gravitate towards here in the next

1616
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: couple of days.

1617
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: They might be saying this because I haven't watched a

1618
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: lot of edge rushers yet. I started offensively, so I

1619
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: think I dove in right away with the wide receivers

1620
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 2: in terms of tape that I've watched. So I'm excited

1621
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 2: to see what people have to say about the athleticism

1622
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 2: of the edge rushing class as well as the defensive

1623
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: tackles too. I mean, you do have to be athletic

1624
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: to play that position, even if you're playing on the inside.

1625
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm most curious about.

1626
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 1: We told everybody before the break that we were going

1627
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: to reveal our arm lengths. Now, this is far from

1628
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: an exact science, but we used a tape measure app

1629
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: to do this, and.

1630
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: We also just measured our phone.

1631
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maddie measured the length of her telephone and then

1632
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: we were walking it across our arm in a ridiculous fashion.

1633
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: Did it like five times? So probably think I'm correct.

1634
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: But I was surprised to learn that my arm length

1635
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: is thirty one inches. My arms are three quarters of

1636
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: an inch longer than Cash's Howel. How is that possible?

1637
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: Make it makes sense?

1638
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: And cashus Howel is thirty and a quarter. Oh, he's

1639
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 1: definitely taller than me.

1640
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: I was just trying to like compare height. Cash's holl

1641
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 2: is six to two and.

1642
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm five to seven on a good.

1643
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,520
Speaker 2: Day, and you got arms.

1644
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: As my grandfather would say, that makes no sense, So

1645
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, even if we're an inch off

1646
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: and I'm thirty, like, I'm still right there.

1647
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was yours?

1648
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: Again?

1649
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: Mine was twenty one point eight?

1650
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: No, it was it? Yeah, it was more than that

1651
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: was Michael. It wasn't twenty one. It was twenty one.

1652
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: Eight one eight? Come at me? So, yeah, watch my vertical.

1653
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: No medium's here, it's all small. Yeah, I am a medium,

1654
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: Matty is a small. And that's kind of where we're at. God,

1655
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: we are at the shallow end of the Geane pool,

1656
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: aren't we. Hey, we we're.

1657
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: Still athletes in our day. You know, ball play at a.

1658
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: Much different level obviously, but.

1659
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: Yes, speedsters, that's what we had going for us. We

1660
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: were speedsters.

1661
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Okay, back in ancient times, our ancestors were the little

1662
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: bitty quick people that got back to the cave. That's

1663
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: how we survived. We didn't we didn't get eaten back

1664
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: then by the tigers and saber tooths and whatever. Yeah.

1665
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: I was surprised by that, like I thought, and I

1666
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, we're definitely like high twenty twenties

1667
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: at best thirty one. I wasn't expecting that. And we

1668
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: also did wingspan, so I was I think I was

1669
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: five ten wingspan seventy inches. What were you?

1670
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 2: Mine was oh gosh four Oh you're four four eleven

1671
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 2: on wings.

1672
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: Fifty nine inches, so that was fifty nine. Yeah, that

1673
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: twenty one eight probably is. Actually, don't ask mannye to

1674
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: get something off a.

1675
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 2: Tall shelf, Nope, I will need a lot of help, or.

1676
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: The top of the refrigerator. That's true.

1677
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: Anytime I need something off the top of the refrigerator.

1678
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: I just look at my husband.

1679
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: Well, that's why it's good that your husband is what.

1680
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't even say anything. I'm like a little kid,

1681
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 2: I'm like.

1682
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Can you get the help? Help?

1683
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's six three, So there's a there's a height.

1684
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: We made up for it. It's perfect. We got to

1685
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: take a break, and when we come back, Manny and

1686
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: I will close up day three of our coverage here

1687
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 1: live at the NFL Combine Thursday edition. When we return

1688
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live. Presented back to a lot

1689
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: of help. All right. Back here on one Bill's Live,

1690
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Nanny claud with you for one final segment,

1691
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: and we're looking at some of the players that just

1692
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: got measured. Caleb Banks from the University of Florida six

1693
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: six and two eighths and three hundred and something pounds,

1694
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: wingspan of over eighty five inches, and an arm length

1695
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: of thirty five which is just seven inches short of

1696
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: two of Maddie's arms back.

1697
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: That's when I know you are built different.

1698
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: We're using the Maddie measurement system with two of her

1699
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: arms back to back. If you're longer than two of

1700
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: her arms back to back, you are a freakazone.

1701
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 2: You're elite.

1702
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: So linebackers and defensive linemen testing today. Tomorrow we will

1703
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: have defensive backs making their way into the stadium to test.

1704
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: I think it's only defensive backs tomorrow. Wide receivers Saturday,

1705
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: I want to say, so they'll get rolling in at

1706
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: that point in time, and I'm looking at it, and

1707
01:26:53,120 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: dbs are the largest position group after defensive lineman because

1708
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: defensive linemen include you know, tackles, those tackles and some

1709
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: edge guys too. So there's seventy three here at the

1710
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: combine total DB's safeties, corners there are fifty six, So

1711
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: wideouts are actually fourth. Od lineman they are a fifty here,

1712
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 1: and then wide outs there are forty eight. Those are

1713
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: the four biggest position groups. They are pumping out wide

1714
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: receivers in college like it's nobody's business. Every year, is

1715
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember that back a long time ago,

1716
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: they'd be like, that's not a great receiver class. This year.

1717
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: There's so much seven on seven football around the country

1718
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: exactly that. I mean, every year they're just pumping out

1719
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: receivers and like, I think, what was it last year

1720
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: or the year before the class wasn't outstanding, but it

1721
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: was still okay. But they're saying it's another d receiver

1722
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: class this year. I don't know that there's a lot

1723
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: of burners though. I feel like there's not a lot

1724
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: of guys that are going to burn off the Stopwatch,

1725
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: like maybe five or six. But I feel like we

1726
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of these taller possession type receivers that

1727
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: are can run in the four fives or four to six.

1728
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: So guys who are tough at the catch point, you

1729
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,560
Speaker 2: can create yards after the catch, but maybe aren't separating

1730
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: from everybody they're going up against.

1731
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: And I think most Bills fans feel as though a

1732
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: separator would be ideal because and we heard Daniel Jeremiah

1733
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: talk about it on the show yesterday. He was saying, look,

1734
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: I look at the Bills, and I'm thinking third down,

1735
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: when you got to make a play and you need

1736
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: somebody to get open, you need somebody that can get

1737
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: away from people. I mean, you can scheme some things up.

1738
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: You know, your coordinator can help your receivers out to

1739
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,879
Speaker 1: some degree. But as we know, when you're in the playoffs,

1740
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: you're playing the best defenses in the league, you got

1741
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: to get a separator. Give me speed on the edge. Defensively,

1742
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: let's get a separator A wide receiver. Too much to ask,

1743
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: and then we're cooking with gas and everything after that

1744
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: is probably gravy. Right, yeah, So and oh and a

1745
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: nose tackle I'm getting a little green, but it'd be

1746
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: nice if we could pull that off. Mattie and I

1747
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: are back here one more time tomorrow for our final

1748
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: day of live coverage, and we'll have great co sell

1749
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: with us and he's gonna talk Bill's offensive scheme, so

1750
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: tune in for that

1751
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 3: Tomorrow in morning