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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers'

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Speaker 2: audio network. Here on a Monday, West Yeuler Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: with you for the next two hours. In Matt, I

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Speaker 2: think quite a stark difference from how we were feeling

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Speaker 2: last Monday as the Steelers fall thirty one seventeen to

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Speaker 2: Seattle in the home opener, and I just the whole

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Speaker 2: way driving in here and everything, I'm thinking, like, how

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Speaker 2: do we start this? How do we just? Yes, I

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Speaker 2: think it's it's just a disappointing effort, all three phases

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Speaker 2: of the ball, from the offense, from the defense, from

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Speaker 2: the special teams. And I know we'll talk about Caleb

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Speaker 2: Johnson and that gaff and a lot of people want

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Speaker 2: to pin it on that, and that was certainly a

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Speaker 2: huge moment. But I thought, from from top to bottom

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Speaker 2: of the roster, from top to bottom of the coaching staff,

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Speaker 2: just just a disappointing Sunday afternoon, a disappointing home opener

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Speaker 2: against Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you mentioned a much different feeling

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Speaker 3: than last Monday, and it is but what we saw

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Speaker 3: in the field wasn't all that much different. It's a

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Speaker 3: fair and that's how this league is. Well, that's how

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Speaker 3: the Steelers are playing right now, and unfortunately over the

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Speaker 3: last couple of years, there is a fine line of Man,

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Speaker 3: if you're not winning down to down consistently, you know,

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Speaker 3: if your success rate isn't high on both sides of

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Speaker 3: the ball, winning this down, not huge plays and being

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Speaker 3: reliant on bozers, watt sacks, interception, splash splash, which they're

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Speaker 3: really good at it, and there's an arc to that that,

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Speaker 3: you know, but if the splash doesn't go your way

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Speaker 3: and it didn't go their way with two huge plays,

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Speaker 3: the end zone interception, which at least is three points

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Speaker 3: and was a weird play. It wasn't like Rogers hit

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Speaker 3: someone of the numbers and just didn't see them, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like that was a football play

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Speaker 3: at least, but it was bad and it was kind

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Speaker 3: of bad luck, and you know.

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Speaker 2: It was everything you didn't need, right.

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Speaker 3: You didn't need when you were going pretty good at

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Speaker 3: that point too. I mean, the play before that I

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Speaker 3: would have bet the Steelers would win that game.

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Speaker 2: Is that the Jalen Warren big play, and.

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Speaker 3: They were moving in their momentum, and yeah, exactly are

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Speaker 3: you mean in general? In general? At that moment, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: if I had to bet on one of these two

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Speaker 3: teams to win right now, I'll take the Black and

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Speaker 3: Gold with how this is going. And then obviously the

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Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson play, you handed them seven points. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't even like they did something to make it happen,

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Speaker 3: or this defensive back tipped the ball and made a

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Speaker 3: good play, or this guy ran a wrong route. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you just took gate. Here's seven points. Do you want

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Speaker 3: it or not? Yes, here, you take it. Now. This

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Speaker 3: game and this season is much worse or worrisome than

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Speaker 3: those two plays I referenced. But when the big plays

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Speaker 3: go their way and you're not winning at the lines

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage, particularly both running games, then you have a

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Speaker 3: very little chance, you know what I mean. You know,

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Speaker 3: at least in the Jets game, you hit the sixty

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Speaker 3: yard or game Bill makes a play.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you got you got the special teams game.

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Speaker 3: You got the exactly exactly, and then you end up

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Speaker 3: with a win in the game. Maybe you weren't the

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Speaker 3: best team down to down, but you were the best

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Speaker 3: team in the end because you got the big plays

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Speaker 3: this game. I didn't think you were the best team

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Speaker 3: down to down and you didn't get the They got

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Speaker 3: the big plays at the end. And that's where you're

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Speaker 3: living right now. That's razors edge.

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Speaker 2: That's how you end up losing by two scores. And man,

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Speaker 2: you are like, you are so right. And we talk

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Speaker 2: about this when we do our NFL pick and we

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Speaker 2: go through the spreads of the games every Friday, like

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Speaker 2: we do. You see how infrequently those spreads are more

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Speaker 2: than a touchdown, more than one score, because that's life

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League. Motes used to I never

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Speaker 2: forget this. Like twenty nineteen, I think it was the

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Speaker 2: second year that Arthur Mots and I were doing a

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Speaker 2: show together. I remember I made a comment about like

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Speaker 2: I expect them to lose. We were talking about some

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Speaker 2: game and I was like, I expect them to lose,

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Speaker 2: but I don't expect them to get blown out. And

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Speaker 2: he goes, what's getting blown out in the NFL to you?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I think two touchdowns are more I

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Speaker 2: would say, is getting blown out? And he kind of

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Speaker 2: gave me a look, and I was like, well, what

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Speaker 2: you tell me. You're the one who played a decade

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Speaker 2: in the league. You tell me, And he said, he said,

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Speaker 2: anything more than a possession is getting blown out in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, Like if you lose by more than seven,

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Speaker 2: that was not a close game like they you know,

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Speaker 2: and the term blowout is it would depends how you define.

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Speaker 2: Some people might say that's getting embarrassed. But from NFL standards,

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Speaker 2: when you look at the spreads, when you look at Vegas,

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Speaker 2: when you look at the average game the league, they're

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Speaker 2: one possession games higher, high percentage of the time.

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Speaker 3: So the Steelers are the best in the league. Are

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Speaker 3: great at winning those, absolutely, and there's an art to that.

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Speaker 3: I used to think it was random. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that at all anymore.

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Speaker 2: No quarterback play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that kind of stuff goes a long way.

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Speaker 3: One thing I'll fight MoES on and he's not wrong.

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Speaker 3: But there are games like I dominate the whole time

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Speaker 3: and then against a pre event you score and we

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Speaker 3: end up losing by nine. But I could have but

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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 2: But it was a three point game the whole There's nuance, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's nuance in there.

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Speaker 3: But I hear what he's saying. For sure, it's not

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Speaker 3: rarely you to see a team resting their starters in

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter or like yesterday, Trubisky's in at the

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Speaker 3: end of the game.

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Speaker 2: It's not It's not Ohio State against Active right exactly. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 2: when you have a game that was going to be

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Speaker 2: that tight, the seven points that you hand him on

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Speaker 2: special teams like you.

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Speaker 4: Mentioned, gigantic, it's a gift, particularly when the second biggest

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Speaker 4: moment of the game was probably that interception in the

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Speaker 4: end zone, the kind of miscommunication there with Calvin Austin.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, it was probably at least going to

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Speaker 2: be a field goal for the Steelers ten point swing

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Speaker 2: right there. Even if you're at home against a bad

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Speaker 2: team that's tough to overcome. Maybe you can do it

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Speaker 2: against Carolina, may but a team like Seattle, maybe Philly.

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Speaker 3: Can do it against Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Buffalo right against Carolina.

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Speaker 3: On this team can do against anybody, and most teams can't.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough way to live. And then, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: when a lot of the concerns and that's the biggest

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Speaker 2: picture thing for me.

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Speaker 3: Super quick, those two players don't even bother me that much.

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Speaker 3: They're horrible, especially the Johnson one is horrible.

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Speaker 2: It's inexcusable.

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Speaker 3: But that's not gonna happen again. Losing the line of

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Speaker 3: scrimmage has happened twice in a row on both sides

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Speaker 3: of the ball, and might happen fifteen more times right

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Speaker 3: right right through.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty minutes of football.

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Speaker 3: I got a spreadsheet for you, by the way, but

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Speaker 3: I'm saving that for demorrows. We got too much talk

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Speaker 3: about today.

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Speaker 2: I can't I can't wait. I can't wait. That is

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Speaker 2: man like you you are. That's that's what worries That's

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Speaker 2: that's what worries me.

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Speaker 3: Is I always look at like I'm a doctor, like

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Speaker 3: I'm a patient and I come in and you're the doctor,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, I got all these symptoms. I got

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Speaker 3: these little bumps all over, my throat hurts, blah blah

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. It's like those are symptoms. Son, Here's

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Speaker 3: here's the problem. Is you have this disease or you're

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Speaker 3: not eating enough fiber or whatever. Well, the disease that

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Speaker 3: the problem is the lines of scrimmage. You know, one

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Speaker 3: hundred bumps and the symptoms are showing up all over

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Speaker 3: the place. But if you would win more battles at

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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, all those things get a lot nicer,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: My I have like a mantra of September football, and

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Speaker 2: it's just don't sink yourself.

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Speaker 3: I like that, Like.

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Speaker 2: Make it too October and have your relative health. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and be at least five, be at least.

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Speaker 3: Two and two, no matter how you get there.

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Speaker 2: No matter how you get there, like just just just

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Speaker 2: still could be in the cards, which absolutely could absolutely

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Speaker 2: could still be in the car.

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Speaker 3: How many teams went to one and one? You know, like,

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Speaker 3: but I'm interruptingly crazy. I won't wand up. I had

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Speaker 3: too much coffee of this show before. It's not like

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Speaker 3: you watched last night's game. It's like, I don't think

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Speaker 3: Minnesota or Atlanto's really a two and o team or

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Speaker 3: zero and two team. I don't think the Steelers are

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Speaker 3: two team, and that they regulate themselves. All of them

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Speaker 3: are now one and one. You know, like, Okay, you're surviving.

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Speaker 3: You might get to October. Like you said at two

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Speaker 3: and two, all these teams I mentioned.

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Speaker 2: It, you know, fine, yeah, and and and but but

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Speaker 2: what really matters, though, is the improvement that you see

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Speaker 2: in the course of those four games. Yeah, yeah, not

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Speaker 2: being zero to four, one and three and and you know,

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Speaker 2: being way behind the eight ball and having tangible improvement.

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Speaker 2: And I think particularly for this Steelers team, was so

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Speaker 2: much turnover at the quarterback position on defense with a

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Speaker 2: lot of their primary weapons on offense as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a million defensive endsies, which I'm not saiting.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely that that that should be that should be mentioned. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Like it's about learning your personnel and improving in those

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Speaker 2: first four ish games of the season. And right now,

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Speaker 2: as you rightfully point out, that conversation begins and ends

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Speaker 2: with the trenches on both sides of the football. Because

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers can be great. They can continue to make

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Speaker 2: splash plays, interceptions, get their hands on footballs, which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure they will I'll make, But none of that is

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Speaker 2: going to matter in the grandy. It might get you

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Speaker 2: ten wins and sneaking into the playoffs again, but none

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Speaker 2: of that, Ravens, None of that in the grand scheme

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Speaker 2: of things of trying to get where we want to go,

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Speaker 2: which is double digit wins and winning a playoff game.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully going on a run. None of that is

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Speaker 2: going to transpire if you don't if you don't fix,

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Speaker 2: if you don't diagnose the issue. And they, Matt, believe me,

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Speaker 2: they are having much harsher conversations about this on the

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Speaker 2: South Side right now than you and I are. But

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Speaker 2: it begins and ends in the All the other stuff

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Speaker 2: is like window dressing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The trenches are the foundation of the house, and right

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Speaker 2: now the foundation's got some cracks in it. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter matter great.

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Speaker 3: Some of the shutters are nice, the electricity is fine, it.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how nice the new rooms they put on.

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Speaker 2: The house is right, and the foundation has.

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Speaker 3: Cracks, right Like the bedroom's beautiful. Some rooms are crappy.

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Speaker 2: You got a sweet sixty five TV in the base.

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Speaker 2: All right, Matt, let's jump right back into it here

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Speaker 2: in terms of a blueprint some trends for how to

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Speaker 3: Watt. I mean ridiculous, right if you look where.

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Speaker 2: The Seahawks are running the football to the left side

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Speaker 2: It's like Matt I played a little basketball growing up.

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Speaker 3: By then Cam might be one the best defense tackles

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Speaker 3: be through two games, so Benton has never been close

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Speaker 3: to a full time player. He's been either the nose

437
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Speaker 3: in the three four and then like his first season,

438
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 3: this is third year. His first year he only played

439
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 3: like four snaps on third and lungs or in the nickel.

440
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,199
Speaker 3: Last year he played more. But he's never been a

441
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Speaker 3: massive snap eater. I mean, even the nose. You're on

442
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 3: the field than three four for thirty percent of plays

443
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Speaker 3: or something.

444
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, less than ever.

445
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: Right, and this can't be by design. Some of this

446
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: is injury related, but their defensive line snaps right now,

447
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 3: Benton leads the way with ninety four, not how you

448
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 3: drew it up. Cam is second at ninety one, with

449
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 3: considering his offseason, probably not how you drew it up.

450
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: The third guy is why a Black. It's six all

451
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Speaker 3: the way down to sixty four, and I think they're

452
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Speaker 3: giving him more and more and that's been somewhat successful.

453
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Speaker 3: I'm cool with that.

454
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Speaker 2: I think there's some things to like there.

455
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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I think that's a good development. Yes,

456
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: you know, and some of it by necessity, but great

457
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 3: inventions have been made by necessity too. But no other

458
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: defensive lineman's played more than thirty seven, you know. So

459
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: you're at ninety four, ninety one, sixty four.

460
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Speaker 2: A massive drumming thirty.

461
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Speaker 3: Seven way down here, and that ain't cutting it, you know,

462
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Speaker 3: Like some of that that's because Loudermilk got hurt, which

463
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: I hope he's fine, but could be a good thing

464
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: by the way, I mean he was starting and not

465
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Speaker 3: playing well. Truckle Yeah, yeah, U k Lee, I don't know,

466
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Speaker 3: I know, I don't pronounce the name particularly well. I

467
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 3: think he's been a bright spot too. Maybe he gets

468
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: more and more nos and takes stuff off Benton's plate.

469
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Speaker 3: Harmon someday we'll be back.

470
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Speaker 2: You know, he was hopefully, hopefully in New England, hopefully

471
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Speaker 2: right there in Foxborough this weekend.

472
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Speaker 3: So I just think that is kind of telling. It's

473
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Speaker 3: not an excuse, but it's kind of telling of which

474
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Speaker 3: defensive linemen have been out there and when. Isn't how

475
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Speaker 3: you drew it up, even though you have a deep

476
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Speaker 3: D line and what you thought was a really good

477
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: D line. Again, the root of all ninety percent of

478
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: the Steelers' problems to me, he was losing at the

479
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Losing at the line of scrimmage on both

480
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Speaker 3: sides of the ball.

481
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Speaker 2: You know, I do think it's that simple. And again

482
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Speaker 2: there's a ton of other minutia, there's a ton of

483
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Speaker 2: other details in there, but I do think it's a

484
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Speaker 2: number two receiver.

485
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Speaker 3: Yes, so they get in attacked the mile field too much. Yeah,

486
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: but if you win at both lines the scrimmage, everything

487
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: else gets easier. Yes, Sometimes the game's that simple. And

488
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 3: I and I Drew Noe was sitting there and be

489
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: like block people get off blocks.

490
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: Blocking, tackling, shedding blocks, the traditional elements of football. I

491
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Speaker 2: do want to talk a little bit about the Steelers

492
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Speaker 2: secondary with you as well, too, but let's let's stay

493
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: there and kind of spin the block for a second

494
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Speaker 2: to the Steelers offensive line, because I do feel like

495
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: for the first you know, half an hour of the show,

496
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Speaker 2: we've spent more of the time talking about the defensive side.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just expectation wise and how Seattle's built. I'm much

498
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: more worried about the defense than the offense or disappointed.

499
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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that the Steelers the

500
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Speaker 2: last two weeks, they're opening two games, they have played

501
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: good to very good defensive fronts. Yes, I think the

502
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: Jets is good. I think Seattle's is very good.

503
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Speaker 3: Agreed.

504
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, as you mentioned, this is

505
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: supposed to to be the time that we're talking about

506
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: the Steelers offensive line ascending and being good to very

507
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: good as well. They have two first round picks as bookends.

508
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: They got a second round pick at center, Isaac Sayamalu

509
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 2: was a big free agent investment when they signed him

510
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: a few years ago, and Mason McCormick was not a

511
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: first or second round pick, but he wasn't a seventh

512
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: round pick either, and.

513
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Speaker 3: He was a success story as a rookie.

514
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Speaker 2: To me, I understand that they've had some significant tasks

515
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Speaker 2: in the first two weeks in terms of the teams

516
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: that they've been playing. But it's got to look better

517
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: than it has through one hundred and twenty minutes.

518
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Speaker 3: And I say this a million times over three hundred

519
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 3: and sixty five day year. The lines are way better

520
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: than O lines in the league. It's the biggest discrepancy.

521
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Speaker 2: Go Apex predators all across.

522
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: The defensets everywhere.

523
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: On the defense that's not Apex predator.

524
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: And they're all different too. Some are rhinos, some are

525
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: Grizzly Bears, Mako sharks. I mean you got a block,

526
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: I mean block a great White, you know. I mean,

527
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: it doesn't get any better. New England's went from the

528
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 3: worst to being quite good now all of a sudden,

529
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: and then you can get the bikes and then you're

530
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: gonna you know, doesn't get any easier. But this is

531
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: a problem all teams are dealing with is de linemen

532
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: are nasty nowadays. You gotta figure out a way around it.

533
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: You know that you do. And there has not been

534
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: a lot of bright spots in that regard through through

535
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Speaker 2: through the first two games.

536
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Speaker 3: I when those Jones was quote to blame the first week,

537
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 3: I thought he was better yesterday.

538
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Speaker 2: That is the one bright spot. Uh, no one, No

539
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: one was talking about Roger Jones yesterday, and I think

540
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Troy Futanu did not have his

541
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Speaker 2: best game. I also think we need to expect that,

542
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 2: as it was his third start in his NFL career.

543
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Speaker 3: He was disappointing yesterday. But I'll still buy that stock

544
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: all day long. Yes, yeah, absolutely right. But there's just Matt.

545
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: There's there's just no push, you know, like even when

546
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: they would have some explosive plays and I don't know

547
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: did they did they have one again in the run game,

548
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: the one in the Run game, three in the Run Game.

549
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember. The numbers are all running together

550
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: at this point. But even when it feels like they're

551
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: getting explosive plays in that department, it's felt more like

552
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: it's been Jalen Warren making a player or two miss

553
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: and making something out of I don't want to say nothing,

554
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: but not much. You know, it's it hasn't been Wow,

555
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: look at all the space at the offensive line cleared

556
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: there and they were moving bodies and Jalen Warren was

557
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: able to hit the hole. It was Jayleen Warren, Bruce Hall.

558
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: And Walker getting that and doing the stuff.

559
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: Brit had a nineteen yard touchdown run and didn't get touched.

560
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: Keith Walker sorry, had a nineteen yard touchdown run yesterday

561
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Speaker 2: and didn't get touched. Jalen Warren, when he's getting nine

562
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: yard runs a little bit of chunk runs, it feels

563
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Speaker 2: like it's more he's breaking a tackle or two and

564
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: doing something spectacular, hurdling somebody or breaking a tackle, and

565
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: that that to me is we haven't.

566
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Speaker 3: Heard only has one run play that has gone for

567
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Speaker 3: ten or more yards in two.

568
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Speaker 2: Games, because I know they had none against the Jets

569
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: against Jets, Jen, we're at a nine yard run. But

570
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: but right on kind of that line. But even if

571
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: you want to count that, that's that's one per game.

572
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: Then if you give Jalen Moore in that nine yard

573
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: run at MetLife Stadium, it's going.

574
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: To make an arbitrary cutoff at ten because it's a

575
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Speaker 3: round nine.

576
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: Let's make it nine. But it so only gets you

577
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: one more. Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's it's not enough.

578
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: I was going to say that I spread chief for tomorrow,

579
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: but explosive run differential that's ten.

580
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: Yards or a run of ten yards and more.

581
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Speaker 3: Yep, they're minus nine in two games. Minus nine.

582
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Speaker 2: That's one hundred and twenty minutes of football.

583
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Speaker 3: Right, I mean minus nine that is. And when you

584
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: just runs, when you especially you want to talk about

585
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that kind of just tells the whole story.

586
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: If you're the Cincinnati Bengals. And I know it's different now,

587
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: because yeah, but if you're a team that's clearly predicated

588
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: upon your quarterback and throwing the football, that might not

589
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: be the end of the world.

590
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: You might be right.

591
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: But if you are a team that is predicated on

592
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Speaker 2: running the football and stopping the run, and you combine

593
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: those two things, that's how you are. Where the Steelers

594
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: are right now, where I know hindsight is always twenty twenty.

595
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: But as you kind of alluded to at the start

596
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: of the show, you're feeling a little more fortunate about

597
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: getting out of met life with a win. But some

598
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: of those warts, some of those issues are looming a

599
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: little bit larger right now in the face of what

600
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: just happened and kind of repeating a lot of those

601
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: sins yesterday.

602
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't mean to harp back on the

603
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: steel defense too much, but they actually weren't bad down

604
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 3: to down against the run as they were against the Jets.

605
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: Now Fields has something to do with that too. I mean,

606
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: the running quarterbacks a nightmare and he's phenomenal at it,

607
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: but he still allowed the explosives. I was joking. I

608
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: mean some people were saying, like, well, if you take

609
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: away the six big runs that Walker had, the run

610
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: defense wasn't bad.

611
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if you take away then you take away

612
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: the one fastball where the pitcher gave up a grand slim.

613
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: It wasn't that.

614
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: Bad, right right, that counts. It counts, and it was one.

615
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: That's also the.

616
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: Purpose of sticking with the run game is eventually this

617
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: damn is going to break and we're gonna hit.

618
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: A big exactly. Now, there is something to be said

619
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Speaker 3: that their success of it rate, you know, just down

620
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: or down against the run, was better than Week two,

621
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Speaker 3: but you still allowed six or seven or eight explosives.

622
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Speaker 2: And it's situationally, it seemed like at the worst possible.

623
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Speaker 3: Time to say, I know, like their third down conversion

624
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: rate on defense wasn't that terrible, but it felt terrible.

625
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: It was third and they convert a lot of third

626
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: and longs.

627
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: Whether five of sixteen. Does that sound right?

628
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the defense.

629
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Speaker 2: The defense. Yeah, Seattle was with they six of sixteen

630
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: or does that?

631
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: It was like fifty percent, but it felt like eighty.

632
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: Because again situationally, yeah, it was like they got them

633
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: when they needed them.

634
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, woit, Cup just got eight when on third and seven?

635
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: Man, where did that? Where did that performance?

636
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah, I was.

637
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: Not expecting that. And you know what, that's kind of like, let's.

638
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: Let's the cup stuff worries.

639
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Let's think, let's dig deeper into that because I said

640
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: a few minutes ago I wanted to talk to you

641
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: about the Steelers secondary.

642
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

643
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that to close down the first hour

644
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Speaker 2: and we return on the other side, get into some

645
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: more of that here. We'll talk to our buddy Rob

646
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: King at the top of the second hour. Plenty to

647
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Speaker 2: get into as we roll along West Shuuler and Matt Williamson,

648
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651
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652
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about this Steelers secondary and Matt, your

653
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Speaker 2: I think correct diagnosis doctor Williamson. Maybe that's what we'll

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00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: call you on Mondays, is doctor Williamson about the.

655
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: I wasn't college long enough.

656
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're called doctors, Richard. The diagnosis of the splash

657
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: plays are there, but when you take that away, it's

658
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: a lot of not so good.

659
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

660
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: I think that works with the Steelers secondary. Through these

661
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: first two games, there's been a lot of big plays,

662
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: a lot. I mean the Jalen Ramsey interception was a huge.

663
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: Moment, big play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

664
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: At that point it's seventy three. You you know, they

665
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: open with a touchdown, you open with a field goal.

666
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey intercepts it and gives you the ball in

667
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: plus territory. If you score there a touchdown and you

668
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: go up ten to seven instead of kicking a field goal,

669
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 2: maybe the game plays out differently, right, Sure, But at

670
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: the same time, it's it is feeling a little bit

671
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: too and I don't know, maybe this is an overreaction

672
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: just two games in, but it's what we got of

673
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: like a feast or famine with the Steelers secondary. They're

674
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: either making that big play or they're giving up the

675
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: big play. How do you fix that? How do you

676
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: diagnose that, and I just have to ask the question.

677
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: I know this is not where we wanted to be

678
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: asking two games into the season, but would you consider

679
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: a little bit more, maybe some more zone concepts in

680
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: that secondary because good question. It feels like I am

681
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: not I know a lot of Steeler fans are slaves

682
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: old Ramsey's old. They don't have the speed anymore. I'm

683
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: not quite there yet, but maybe when you're playing against

684
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: somebody like Jackson Smith and Jigba, who can fly, who

685
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: can move it, it shows up a little bit more.

686
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: So pull back to Curtin, I have not watched the

687
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: All twenty two yet and as of recording this on Monday,

688
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: and I don't know their zone man rates, et cetera,

689
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But I think there's some things

690
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: that are becoming obvious and one of them, some of

691
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: them are one of them's outside their their hands that

692
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: you have Elliott and Porter. I mean, that's that's two.

693
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: You're glad.

694
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: I am glad that you're I am glad that you

695
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: mentioned that, because it's not an excuse, but it's certainly

696
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: part of the conversation.

697
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: Definitely matters. Definitely, there's no doubt. Pepper's just got here.

698
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: Clark kind of just got here. So let's be honest,

699
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: you know. And by the way, we were talking about

700
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: a lot of the change on offense, thorign Hill's new,

701
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: Sleighs new, Ramsey's new, Like who's left from last year

702
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: from the secondary? Echos is new?

703
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: Joey Porter and Elliott and they're the two who are

704
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: been around, you know, who have been around are out.

705
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: I actually, just as talking through that, I this dawned

706
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: on me that everybody playing was not here last year.

707
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: He is. That matters.

708
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: That totally matters, particularly this early in the season. That

709
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: would be different if it was game twelve.

710
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, then it's on excuse anymore that that really matters,

711
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: definitely matter because that's a communication thing. Like if all

712
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: your if you had five new offensive linemen and they

713
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: didn't pick up stunts, you'd be like, well, they've never

714
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: ever played together. And so I'm glad we actually had

715
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: that conversation.

716
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad we landed there as well, Like.

717
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: Everybody playing was on this team last year. That's just

718
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: a fact in the secondary and Minca's good. Now, I'm

719
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: not saying they shouldn't have made the trade. But you've

720
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: heard me made this analogy with Minca is. Okay, maybe

721
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: he didn't make as many big plays at the end

722
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: of his Steeler career at the beginning, and there's no

723
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: way he could have kept that up.

724
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: Like first six or seven games he had an interception

725
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: I think, or a turnover forced.

726
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: But I always said he was grand fewer. Now, you know, hockey,

727
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: it's a great analogy. Whenever you had Earl Thomas ed

728
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Reid Minka, you could let Paul Coffee go deep into

729
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: the offensive zone.

730
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 2: You know what, more skaters forward. If we get beat

731
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: coming back, it's fine, I got it.

732
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: I got this guy.

733
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: You guys take your chances, maybe a little high.

734
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: But we're going to score a lot of goals with

735
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: the Doctor, more than I'm gonna give up. Oh yeah,

736
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: grad Ski and right, that was the the.

737
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: Two thousand and eight Penguins, the first ones that lost

738
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: to the Red Wings and the Stanley Cup before they

739
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: went back and beat him the next year. Yeah, that

740
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: was some Mark Andre Flurry vibes too.

741
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: You guys can go eighteen.

742
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: I got so active going forward and Fleurry had the

743
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: best year of his career, and it was like, you

744
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: guys go I got this.

745
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah. My best example is coffee because there's

746
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: a great offensive defense, great one to let the coffee

747
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: get up there.

748
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 2: Dude, we'll score some goals.

749
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: Will be fun. I don't need to play d and

750
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: you don't do it that great anyways, but I don't care.

751
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: But Minca allowed the other ten to be way more aggressive,

752
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: and that was great. I also thought this was a

753
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: bad Thornhill day overall, and I'm a Thornhill guy, and

754
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: I still would make the trade. And I'd rather have

755
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: Ramsey than would Maca brought. But Mica would have been

756
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: useful yesterday, that's for sure, especially in the middle of

757
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: the field. And Ramsey could use a little help too.

758
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: I thought Ramsey got picked on and I didn't see

759
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people giving him a lot of support

760
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: in this game, you know. But it's funny. I'm glad

761
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: we had this. It's fun having these conversations with you

762
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: or being on the air with other people when you

763
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 3: talk through things. It's like, all their defensive backs weren't

764
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: here last year, everybody that played yesterday.

765
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: That's an important point.

766
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Clark Pepper's Thornhill. Their top three safeties not here.

767
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of Ramsey eccles. That's the only

768
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: guys that played, and none of them are Steelers last year.

769
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of good there's been a lot

770
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: of good points made by people in the last twenty

771
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: four hours.

772
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: But I think that one is, Yeah, going to use

773
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: that a lot this week.

774
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: That's that's definitely. How about that one? We might have

775
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: just stumbled onto Plymouth Rock there.

776
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: Matt, Yeah, I'm on with Martin Madden in half an hour,

777
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: and I bet I use that get uh?

778
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: And that is that is certainly, that certainly matters. But

779
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: again too like that's that's where I think you get

780
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: the performance that you got from JSN, that you got

781
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: from Cooper cup is when you combine a lot of injuries,

782
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: sure to the defensive front end the secondary.

783
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: And I might be right to Cooper cup shot, but

784
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: he's not dumb. He knows how to exploit any little

785
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: weaknesses or leaning this way or I thought he was

786
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: very impressive. I know he may end up being better

787
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: than I thought too.

788
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: I expected Jackson Smith and jig but to get his

789
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe not to the tune of over one

790
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: hundred yards, but I expected him to get his but

791
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: I did not expect Cooper Cup to have the impact

792
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: that he did a thousand. So with all that, I mean.

793
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: You, how do you make it better? Nobody cares about

794
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: the pain. Show me the baby, you know what I mean.

795
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: We're on the same page today because I was gonna say, I.

796
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 3: Don't care, fans don't care. Make it better.

797
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: As our good friend Ton Jokin would have said, I

798
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: don't care about the labors. Show me the baby they have.

799
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: They have got to listen.

800
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 3: I don't think Patriots aren't going to take it easy,

801
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: paun you.

802
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: The Patriots aren't suddenly just going to be like, hey,

803
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: we're going to run the ball left every time here

804
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: we go. You know exactly what's coming super.

805
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: Quick West, I put out sacked differential. It's also part

806
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: of you. That's part of it's really terrible right now.

807
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: The thirty thousand foot view conversations that we had of

808
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: areas of improvement heading into this season.

809
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: Aren't going there.

810
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: That wasn't one or two on the list, but it

811
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: was definitely in the top five.

812
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Right So I put it out there and someone on Twitter,

813
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: and I'm not giving this personal hard time says, I

814
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: don't think it's fair to cite sack differential because the

815
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: Steelers have a young line and their quarterback doesn't move

816
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: well and he's older, like nobody cares.

817
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: Nobody cares.

818
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: Do you think the Patriots aren't going to attack the

819
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: crap out of that? Like nobody cares. You know that

820
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: this is the wild you know, if you're the antelope,

821
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: it's limping, the tigers going to eat you. Yes, you

822
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: know that's how it goes.

823
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the NFL. The the joke is stands for

824
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: not for long, right, Yeah, because they're they're coming for

825
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: your heart and your soul. It is not And yeah.

826
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: Quarterback doesn't move well, they're gonna make them move or

827
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna hit.

828
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: Them exactly right, exactly right. And show the baby, Show

829
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: me the baby. I don't care about the labor pains,

830
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: Show me the baby. And for for that defense, they

831
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: got to find a way to get through the labor

832
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: and fast.

833
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah right, all right?

834
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: I mean, because I know that they are shorthanded, but

835
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: they are certainly more talented than they've than they've shown

836
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: through two games. I don't think I don't think you

837
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: can deny that at this point. And you know that's

838
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: the thing too. While you you know, the other guys,

839
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: the other guys make money, the other teams have superstars

840
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: and all that, but the Jets and Seattle are also

841
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: not even close to the best offenses you're going to

842
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: see the season.

843
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: If that was the Ravens in either one of those

844
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: two weeks.

845
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: Or Buffalo, who will you know, who will see in November,

846
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: or maybe if it was even a team like the

847
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Chargers who have a great, great time.

848
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: Right right, It's gonna get harder, folks.

849
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: It's going to get more difficult. Maybe maybe not necessarily

850
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: this weekend, maybe not even necessarily this month.

851
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: Maybe not, but pretty soon, or even the Browns or

852
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 3: you know, but there there are some scary ones looming.

853
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 3: There's some there's some more would have ripped you apart.

854
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: And and and so that to me is you better

855
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: figure this out and quick because the back half of

856
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: the schedule. I'm not saying it's the murderer's rogue gauntlet

857
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: that it was last year, but I think five of

858
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: the last six teams they play went to the postseason

859
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: last year. You got Buffalo in there, You've got a

860
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: road game at Detroit in there, You've got the Ravens

861
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: in there.

862
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 3: Fortunately you don't have Burrow looks like but Mark Lamar

863
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: and Josh Allen. And if you want to get to

864
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: where you want to get in the AFC, you're gonna

865
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 3: beat that. You have to beat those guys.

866
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: You have to beat those all.

867
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: Right, right right, and you haven't seen those guys anything

868
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: close to those guys.

869
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: If you're gonna beat those guys, you've got to look

870
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: like one of the best defenses in the National Football League.

871
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: And again, and that's what they're trying to build here,

872
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Speaker 3: that's what they're trying to put money into it. And

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Speaker 3: you know, right, and that's the plan.

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Speaker 2: Players are allowed to get better, Teams will get better.

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Speaker 2: They've had a ton of turnover on that defense and

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Speaker 2: a lot of injuries that is that is not nothing.

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Speaker 2: But but starting this Sunday in New England, you better

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Speaker 2: start finding some ways to overcome it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's what you spend all week doing as

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Speaker 3: a coaching staff. Okay, well, and we're getting body blow

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Speaker 3: after body blow. How can I still stand in the ring?

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Speaker 3: And you know, I would think.

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Speaker 2: The next and I'm not saying that they have to

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Speaker 2: suddenly look like a top three defense in the league.

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Speaker 2: Sunday at Foxborough.

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Speaker 3: But improvements necessary.

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Speaker 2: But they they better look I think, noticeably improved from

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Speaker 2: where they've been the last two weeks again, particularly in

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Speaker 2: the trenches.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed, Matt.

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Speaker 2: An hour in the books, another hour to go along.

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Speaker 2: What do you say we bring in our good friend

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Speaker 2: Rob King to get his thoughts on this conversation as

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Speaker 2: we go here, we'll start our number two with Rob King.

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Speaker 2: We will in our number two as well. We need

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Speaker 2: to go around the league at some point and talk

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Speaker 2: about that, talk about Burrow, and talk about some of

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Speaker 2: these other results across the NFL. In week two. We'll

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Speaker 2: do all that and more in our number two. West Yuler,

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network