1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best of the Week for What's Right 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: with Nick Wright, the best takes and moments from this 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: week on the show Enjoy. The Summer of Lebron continues 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: a bit and there was a very seemingly interesting article 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: written by Ramona Shelburne and Brian Windhorst that kind of 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: set off a lot of conversation over the weekend, and 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: it dropped I think Friday Friday morning, yet we weren't 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: on TV, and then there was a Dave mcminnimon report, 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and then there was an article edit that I find 10 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: the whole thing fascinating. So I'm not going to go 11 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: through every single stanza of this article, but I am 12 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: going to go through it considerably because I actually in 13 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: credit to Chris Broussard, who on our First Thing's First 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: Morning meeting just a moment ago, when we were talking 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: about doing this topic, he was like, how much of 16 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: the audience do you think has actually read the article? 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's a good point. Brew. So 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of this article is incredibly detailed about a 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: May third meeting at Craig's Restaurant on Melrose in West Hollywood, 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: a place I have been to. I think once in 21 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: my life with my buddy Colin Cowherd, and where they 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: where Ramona and Wendy, And this feels like Ramona's side 23 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: of it. They just because of the LA based reporting, 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: but I don't know detail a meeting between Luca Palenka, 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: Reddick and Luca's manager Laura Lara Beth Seeger where we 26 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: find out what doors they went in, what wine they drank, 27 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: all of this, and it's incredibly detailed and it talks 28 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: about that meeting, but that is not what people are 29 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: people's takeaway or the thrust of the article is because 30 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the article's headline even Lebron James Luka Ancic inside the 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: most delicate superstar transition in NBA history. So the reason 32 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: for that scene setting it would appear is that Luca 33 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: was at this meeting and Lebron was not, which I 34 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: don't find odd at all personally, because the Lakers' first 35 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: order of business this summer, and they treated it as such, 36 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: was to cement and secure their relationship with Luca because 37 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: they desperately need him to sign a contract extension this summer. Now, 38 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: whether that's a four year deal or a three year deal, 39 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: he can do four for two twenty three or three 40 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: for one sixty. The reason for doing the three for 41 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: one sixties, the article lays out, is it might set 42 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: up better more money, long term and future deals. But regardless, 43 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: they need to make sure Luca is locked in, and 44 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: they need to do everything possible to get Luca locked in. 45 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: And if I were running the Lakers, I certainly wouldn't 46 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: be like, well, anytime we're meeting with Luca, Lebron has 47 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: to be there, because these are the Lakers. Attempt to 48 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: compete this season is in one bucket. The Lakers playing 49 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: over the next three, five, ten years is in another bucket, 50 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: and both of those buckets necessitate a locked in, dialed in, 51 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: committed Luka Doncic. So that is priority number one. And 52 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: I think Lebron understands that the single most important thing 53 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: for the Lakers this song is to get Luca resigned. 54 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have viewed that as scandalous. Oh, the 55 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Lakers had a meeting with Luca without Lebron there, but 56 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: it was treated like it was in this article, like 57 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: it was a fork in the road where the Lakers 58 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: are going down the Luca path rather than the Lebron path. 59 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: And again that is. It is incredibly logical. And anybody 60 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: that thinks Lebron is put off or yeah, is bothered 61 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: by the fact that the Lakers priority number one is 62 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: making sure Luca is a Laker long term. Doesn't know 63 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: Lebron James and doesn't understand the way he views Luca 64 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: and what he understands about the NBA Now now, it 65 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: is absolutely fair to say. And then I'll get back 66 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: to the article that Lebron feels like, all right, while 67 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: trying to get Luca locked up long term, we should 68 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: try to win right now because we were the three 69 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: seed last year, Because I'm still playing at a undeniable 70 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: top ten level, Luca is going to go into next 71 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: year as one of the three biggest favorites to win 72 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: League MVP. That's a team that, if you make the 73 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: right moves, can compete for a championship. But those two 74 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: things not only are they not mutually exclusive, they are 75 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: not in conflict at all. There is nothing better for 76 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: Luca's long term future with the Lakers than him stacking 77 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: awesome seasons with the Lakers starting immediately. So then the 78 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: article goes on to discuss, you know, it talks about 79 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: the Lebron release the statement, and again I think the 80 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: statement is worth even though it's now a few weeks old, 81 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: worth reminding people exactly what it said. We understand the 82 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: difficulty in winning now while preparing for the future is 83 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: from Rich Paul. We do want to evaluate what's best 84 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: for Lebron at this stage in his life and career. 85 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: He wants to make every decision he has left count 86 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: and the Lakers understand that, are supportive and want what's 87 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: best for him. I looked at that statement as very 88 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: clearly saying listen, it would seem what's best for all 89 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: parties is continuing this partnership and trying to win a 90 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: title right now. But if you guys, for some reason 91 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: or another, think that you either can't win a title 92 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: right now or making moves to try to win a 93 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: title right now while you still have Lebron James at 94 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: an all NBA level is actually going to hurt your 95 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: chances of winning multiple titles down the road with Luca. Well, 96 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: if that's if that's how you feel, and that's the 97 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: road you're gonna take, then we should discuss whether or 98 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: not you want me to be I want to be 99 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: a part of this, and you want to be a 100 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: part of this that to me was very very straightforward 101 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: and again not scandalous, and I think the way most people, 102 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: if they were advising Lebron James would would see it 103 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: as well. And then the article gets a little confusing 104 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: because it it then just quotes anonymous Western Conference executives 105 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: on their opinions. One Western Conference executive chalked it up 106 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: to an elaborate pout because the Lakers hadn't offered James 107 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: a new contract extension. More on that in a moment. 108 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: Another Western Conference executive felt it was an attempt to 109 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: press the Lakers front office to go all in on 110 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: building the team this season and away from its strategy 111 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: to keep the cap sheet as clean as possible for 112 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: the summers of twenty six and twenty seven after James's 113 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: salary comes off the books. So I care less about 114 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: the Western Comage executive's feelings and more about if that 115 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: is the Lakers' strategy that we are certainly out of 116 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: the Lebron business after this year, and we think we 117 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: are going to be better positioned to win titles by 118 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: getting out of the Lebron business and using his fifty 119 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: two million dollars on free agents. X Y and Z. 120 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: That's an interesting opinion. I'm very curious what free agents 121 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: they think they are going to get. And this is 122 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: an important point here because I don't know if you 123 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: guys have noticed, but free agency isn't what it once 124 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: was in the NBA. And I'm not talking about second 125 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: Apron stuff. I'm talking about the fact that guys over 126 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: the last decade have transitioned from letting contracts expire and 127 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: hitting free agency to signing extensions as early as possible, 128 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: and then if they want to leave, simply demanding a trade, 129 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: and the Lakers playing of, well, we're just going to sign. 130 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm curious again, who it is they think they're going 131 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: to sign. Now they're the Lakers. Lebron chose to save 132 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: them after six years in the desert. Lebron then greatly 133 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: helped them get Anthony Davis, and then Nico Harrison gifted 134 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: them Luke ad Ancic that they were only able to 135 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: get because they had Anthony Davis. But they don't have 136 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: this cupboard of when they traded for a d they 137 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: had multiple former number two overall picks and the number 138 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: four pick of that draft they were able to include 139 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: in that trade. That's not there, and I just don't 140 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: see this. Oh my goodness, Giannis is a free agent 141 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: in a year. If you have your cap sheet open, 142 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: he'll pick LA. So it's curious to me. But a 143 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: lot of the moves the Lakers have made her curious 144 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: to me. And then there's this. The Lakers had made 145 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: their statement in not offering James a contract beyond this season, 146 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: it was abundantly clear that the twenty one time All 147 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: Stars time has face. The Lakers had for the first 148 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: time a planned end date, even if James' record setting 149 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: NBA career did not. And this is where the reporting 150 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: gets interesting to me, because this, to me feels Ramona 151 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: is incredibly plugged in with the Lakers, and for reasons 152 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: I don't totally understand. And we've talked about me not 153 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: understanding it. Wendy and Lebron have had something of a 154 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: falling out, it would appear, and so I think it's 155 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: safe to say the info on this is Laker's info. 156 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: And then Dave mcminnimon, who is pretty plugged in with 157 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: Lebron and said he's you know, it was not quoting 158 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: anonymous people close to him, was quoting Rich Paul directly. 159 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: Dave mcminnimon then reports during Summer League two days later, oh, 160 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: by the way, look, we didn't ask for nor want 161 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: a contract extension. And then there is the other reporting, 162 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: which is to me interesting because the article initially said 163 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: that when the Buss family agreed to sell a majority 164 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: stake in the franchise Mark Walter on June eighteenth, Doncic 165 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: was given a heads up and notably posted congratulations on 166 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: social media. Lebron James was given no heads up. The 167 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: article was then edited and it writes now, after the 168 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: publication of this article, sources said James was notified of 169 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: the sale via his representation, but he did not post 170 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: any public acknowledgement. And then it has the part then, 171 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: of course the coup de gras the Lakers, by not 172 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: offering James extension, indicated they were comfortable having him on 173 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the roster's inspiring contract, a rare position for a superstar 174 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: player of his caliber. Uh So, I don't there is 175 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: there are pretty clearly at this point it is a 176 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: less than a happy marriage, and it's for reasons. And 177 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: this is the part that I've spent a good deal 178 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: of time thinking about. But I just can't totally understand 179 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: why and you might say, ah, Lebron, is Lebron's doing this? 180 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: But here is to me a like a fair and 181 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: Lebron is obviously doing a lot of this. But is 182 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: there reason for it? As and is are there reasons 183 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: for the Lakers doing what they're doing? So let's just 184 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: go through the blow by blow of it. Is there 185 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: a reason to believe that Lebron is not okay taking 186 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: on a secondary role within the organization, not that I've seen. 187 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: What I saw was for four years Lebron all but 188 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: begging Anthony Davis to take the car Keys, an ad 189 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: god love and future Hall of Famer great player, couldn't 190 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: quite do it and wasn't willing to do it. They 191 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: then trade for Luca. Lebron correctly does not ask Luca 192 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: to change his game at all. Lebron changes his game 193 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: massively and all of a sudden turns into maybe the Lakers' 194 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: best defensive player, is far and away their best defensive 195 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: player and arguably their best overall player in the postseason, 196 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: and greatly changes the way he's playing while doing nothing 197 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: but support Luca, who famously Lebron's on the record that 198 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: the only guy he ever tried or wanted to get 199 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: to be a Lebron athlete wearing like the way Jordan 200 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: has Jordan athletes at Nike. A Lebron spent off sneaker 201 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: was Luca, a guy who Luca who modeled his game 202 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: after Lebron and was his childhood idol. So the idea 203 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: that well, these guys just won't fit that has not 204 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: been the case at all. And then there is the well, 205 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: we just don't think we can compete with these guys. 206 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: I think that is a loser mentality, and I think 207 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: it is beyond optimistic that again, if you simply remove 208 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: the name and the age when talking about Lebron and say, hey, 209 00:16:52,600 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: what is the likelihood over the next four years if 210 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: the Lakers were to move Lebron, move on from Lebron 211 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: and they don't they this article talks about they don't 212 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: want to trade him. They want him to just leave 213 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: in the offseason, either into retirement or free agency for nothing. 214 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Who is the guy? How are they replacing second team 215 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: All NBA production? Where is that coming from? And why 216 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: would they not say, right now this moment, we have 217 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: something an asset we're not going to have, We're not guaranteed. 218 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: To have it. 219 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: All three years from now, which is two top ten players, 220 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: so maximize this window. I think that's foolish. But I also, 221 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: if I were running the Lakers, wouldn't go three straight 222 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: off seasons without making a single trade. If I were 223 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: running the Lakers, there are a lot of things I 224 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: would not have done that Rob Blinka and the Bus 225 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: and Rambis family have done. But that's what they've done, 226 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: and so I do. And I know this for a 227 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of you guys are not gonna be surprising coming 228 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: from me. But I do understand lebron side of the frustration. 229 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: I don't understand the Lakers side of the frustration. And 230 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: if it's that, and if it's that, well, you know, 231 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: Lebron's a lot to a lot to deal with. Yeah, man, 232 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: every all time great athlete ever is a lot to 233 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: deal with in one way, shape or form. And people 234 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: keep saying nothing tougher than dealing with an all time 235 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: great who's not great anymore. And that's that's the part 236 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: of this that I find so puzzling. It's almost as 237 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: if the Lakers are frustrated that Lebron hasn't fallen off. 238 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: Lebron the Lakers post Westbrook debacle which obviously Lebron had 239 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: influence on, have treated every year as if, well, Lebron's 240 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: not going to be that good and therefore it wouldn't 241 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: make sense for us to leverage everything to try to 242 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: win at this moment. And then each year Lebron shows 243 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: up on the All NBA team. Each year Lebron comes 244 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: to work and gives you twenty five, seven and seven, 245 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, what do you need? And now, like 246 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: I understand why Lebron might say, you know, I don't 247 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: want to sign an extension because maybe I do want 248 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: to hit free agency and then in my final year 249 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: go back home to Cleveland or maybe find a way 250 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: to play with Staph and under the new CBA, me 251 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: making fifty million dollars doesn't make a lot of sense, 252 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: and next year there could be teams with some cap 253 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: space more than the minimum that I wouldn't mind going 254 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: to play for. I understand why Lebron might say I 255 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: don't want the extension. I don't understand why the Lakers 256 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't say, hey, you want to tack one more year 257 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: on this. So a lot of this is just to 258 00:20:50,640 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: me more more evidence that when the Walter family does 259 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: come and take over and they do a true audit 260 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: of the decisions and decision makers that the people in 261 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: charge of the Lakers should be anxious. And I understand 262 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: that all the reporting is Genie bus can run the 263 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: team for the next five years. Let's check back in 264 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: four or in three and see who's running the Los 265 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers. And let's also check back in four or 266 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: three and see if this cap space of twenty twenty 267 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: seven played out the way they hoped it would. But 268 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine this article landed softly on Lebron's desk, 269 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: where it is a lot of innuendo and a lot 270 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: of Lakers pretty naked Lakers personnel whispering in the ears 271 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: of Ramona and Wendy about essentially how eager they are 272 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: to get out of the Lebron James business. Me personally, 273 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: if I'm trying to win NBA championships, I'd love having 274 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: two top ten guys on my team. 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Obviously Hurts his two Super Bowl appearances 312 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: in the last three years, thirty seven to ten in 313 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: the last three seasons. What's going on with that? Justin Hurt? 314 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: So I do think it's Yeah, so I do think 315 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: it's disrespectful. And I think that people have to be 316 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: willing to move their opinion based on things that happen 317 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: after you have formed your opinion, Like, it is totally fine. 318 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: And this is maybe self serving of me to say, 319 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: because I'm going to describe kind of my opinion evolution 320 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurts. I think it is totally fine to 321 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: be like, Listen, there were times last season that I 322 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: thought the weak link of the Philadelphia Eagles offense was 323 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: their quarterback. That and that can be. That was actually 324 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: the exact, that exact opinion of mine. It was the 325 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: subject of the animated more than a little awkward conversation 326 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: I had the night before the Super Bowl with or 327 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: two nights for the Super Bowl, one of them with 328 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Jalen's mother, when she confronted probably too strong, approached me 329 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: and I at first didn't If you guys didn't hear 330 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: the story. We were at a super Bowl party. I'm 331 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: standing there. A woman walks up and she's like to 332 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: ask you a question. I said yeah, and she was like, 333 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: why do you talk so bad about Jalen Hurts. And 334 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: then I'm like, well, I don't know that I talked 335 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: bad about him, and she's like, no, you do, and 336 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: then you know, I give my defense of my takes. 337 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: She comes back, and then about six seven minutes into it, 338 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: I say, miss may I may I ask you a 339 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: question and she said yes. I said, are you Jalen's mother? 340 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: And she said yes. And I was like, oh boy, 341 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: we're in a We're in a trickier spot than I 342 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: had thought. And one of the things that I said 343 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: to her, I was like, listen, I just I want 344 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: you to know the things I have said and the 345 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: things I haven't said, right for good or for bad. 346 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: I was like, and something I have said that I 347 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you would think is totally unfair. As I 348 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: did call him the weak link of the Philly offense. 349 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: I was like, now, contextually, you should know. I did 350 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: say that within the framework of they have a top 351 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: three offensive line, a top three receiving corps, and a 352 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: top one but top three running back. So if he 353 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: just simply is not a top three quarterback in that framework, 354 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: he would be the weak link because everyone else is. 355 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: But it so it wasn't that was going the weak 356 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: link of a bad team. However, I was saying last 357 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: year that I thought they were going to get in 358 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: a spot demons when they had to throw the football 359 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: and they weren't going to be able to throw the 360 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: football like those that was, And so that and I 361 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: would have last year had Jalen Hurts pretty firmly outside 362 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: of my quarterback top ten, I absolutely would have. I 363 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: don't think it is at all contradictory to then say. 364 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: But then I watched the NFC Championship Game and the 365 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and his performance in those two games by 366 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: itself made me totally reevaluate. And his consistent ability to 367 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: play his best in the biggest sponse, which is the 368 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: most valuable trait a quarterback can have, made me reevaluate. 369 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: And so I think people far too often get tied 370 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: and married to their prior opinions. Coward's the best at 371 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: not doing this. And you know, aimlessly is the wrong word, 372 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: but almost like he he will have a adamant, strong, 373 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: vociferous opinion and a week later be like, change my mind, 374 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: like and right, and that's what he says. He's like, 375 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: I got new information, and so and I think that. 376 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: So again, we've got to be careful about what we've 377 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: said and whether so if I said and I did not, 378 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: but if someone has said I'm telling you this player 379 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: will never be a top five quarterback. Then it is 380 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: a little tougher. You can still come back and be 381 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: like I was wrong, you know, but it's it's a 382 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: little tougher. I don't think people at this point are 383 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: fairly evaluating Jalen Hurts based on his ability to play 384 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: his best in the biggest spots, and I think that 385 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 1: that should whatever credit that people want to take away 386 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: from him, I think fairly because he is not a 387 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: guy that, over the course of a season, if you 388 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: built the offense around Jalen hurts passing game, I don't 389 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: think you'd have an elite offense. And I do think 390 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: that's fair to ding him for. I don't think that 391 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: the negative credit he gets for that, what I believe 392 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: is a fact, should outweigh the positive credit for the 393 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: fact that we've seen him now on two deep playoff runs, 394 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: and you can't point to a single game on those 395 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: two deep playoff runs where you're like, ah, Hurts wasn't 396 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: good enough for them to win. Hurts didn't do enough, 397 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: like you just can't. And he had to go two 398 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: years ago toe to toe with Patrick in a Super Bowl. 399 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: He had the one fumble, which is why I thought 400 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: Patrick outplayed him. But still he played an A minus 401 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: level game. The offense scored thirty five points, he accounted 402 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: for four touchdowns. And then last year he had to 403 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: go toe to toe with Jade and Daniels in a 404 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: playoff game when Daniels was the hottest quarterback in the league. 405 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Phillies offense scores fifty five points. And then in the 406 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl he has the fourth and five pass down 407 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: the sideline. He wait, I think it's the NFC Championship game. 408 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: He had the fourth and five pass down the sideline. 409 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: The Super Bowl was the kill shots start of the 410 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: second half. He was great, And so go ahead, Pal. 411 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: So where would you have him? 412 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: Like you? 413 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: Because you said you had him the outside of the 414 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: top ten last year. With the information you have, now, 415 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: where would. 416 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: You have him? So I have a I've developed a 417 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: new opinion on how we have to rank the quarterbacks. 418 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that it is fair anymore to say 419 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: it's a big four and then we can debate after 420 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: that that because so here's to me where I'm at 421 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: going into and it can obviously change when a new 422 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: season comes, Like the new season has to matter. I 423 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: believe the top three has to be in this order. 424 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Josh Lamar. I think that is the only because 425 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: what is the knock on Lamar? And at this point 426 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: there's only one left. He does not play his best 427 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: in the postseason, and I'm not gonna harp on that. 428 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: I think that is. You know, two years ago, folks 429 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: were mad at me. I was making too big of 430 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: a deal of it. Last year, folks were annoyed with me. 431 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: I was making too big of a deal with it. 432 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: Going into this year, folks, but grudgingly without saying it's like, okay, yeah, 433 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: Nick Klock this the whole time that it. 434 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: Was, and he showed so different. I was just about 435 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: to say Lamar didn't play badly. Though Lamar played pretty well. 436 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: He might have had a rough first half, but oh. 437 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, rough first half the cost from the game. But 438 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: it was still I mean, you're right, it wasn't. It 439 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: wasn't as bad as some of the other But again, 440 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: this is what I'm what I'm about to say here 441 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: is actually a defensive Lamar. The point I'm making is this, Demonsey, 442 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: I do know, I think it is fair to penalize 443 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: Lamar's so much for bad playoff performances that he drops 444 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: beneath the player who has not been in the playoffs 445 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: the last two years, in Joe Burrow, Like for all 446 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: we know, Joe Cool had his Emperor has no clothes 447 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: moment with the playoff loss to Patrick Mahomes, and from 448 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: now on in the playoffs, Burrow is just gonna be 449 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: a shaking shell of himselself. But we haven't seen it 450 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: because he hasn't been in the playoffs since then. Now, 451 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: to be clear, I think the odds of that are 452 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: almost zero percent that Burrow all of a sudden is 453 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: going to freak out in the playoffs. My point is 454 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: you can't say Lamar playing poorly in the playoffs is 455 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: worse than a guy not even getting to the playoffs. 456 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: You just can't. And one of the other reasons that 457 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: two years ago I had Burrow ahead of Lamar firmly 458 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: was Lamar's injury risk. Lamar the last two years, aside 459 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: from his annual bout with the flu, Lamar has been 460 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: incredibly durable and Joe's miss time have been banged up, 461 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: So I think it has to and the I don't 462 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: think I need to defend Mahomes being number one, but 463 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: The argument against him is he hasn't had the last 464 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: two years gaudy regular season numbers. The problem is anyone 465 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: you want to put up against him. He then has 466 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: played in the playoffs and thoroughly outplayed and beatn them. 467 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: So it's not just his team has won. He has 468 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: played better than Josh in both the playoff games the 469 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: last two years. He has played better than Lamar. He 470 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: has So it's just not it's Mahomes has to be one. 471 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: I think Josh right now, do you demand you're the 472 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: Lamar guy? Do you think it's fair to have Josh two? Yeah, 473 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: you do. 474 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 2: I think it's fair, Like I think it's I think 475 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 2: it's pretty close. But yeah, and then Lamar after its. 476 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: And then lam in the playoffs right and last you know, 477 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: Josh one MVP. Lamar could have Josh. You know the 478 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: So I that's where. So here's my point and the 479 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: reason I said all of that. I think it is fair. 480 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: If somebody says Joe Burrow's four, by the way, I 481 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: probably agree with him for the record, But if somebody 482 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: says Demanse Jalen Hurts is four, and what you're losing 483 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: in the prolific stats, Joe Burrow gives you. You're adding 484 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: in toughness, availability, the push, push, and huge playoff moments. 485 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: And Joe's biggest accomplishment ever is being one and one 486 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: against Patrick in AFC Championship games, and Jalen's one and 487 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: one against Patrick in Super Bowls. So my, the point 488 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is when you say it's a 489 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: big four, you're saying you can't argue anyone outside of 490 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: that top four is better than anyone in it. And 491 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: I don't think you can make a credible argument, even 492 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: with all the flowers I've given to Jalen Hurts right now, 493 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: that Jalen's better than Lamar, Josh or Patrick. I do 494 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: think you can make an argument over Joe. And I 495 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: love Joe, but he's he starts here slowly. He does 496 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: have now Jalen has this as well, obviously, embarrassment of 497 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: riches on the outside catching the ball, and I do 498 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: think that there is a he probably has. The fact 499 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: that Josh, Patrick and Lamar are three of the most 500 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: dynamic and successful rushing threats the position has ever seen 501 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: has to count. And people might say Nick Patrick's not 502 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: in that class, not in the regular season, but if 503 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: you look at quarterback career yards per carry, playoff yard 504 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: rushing yards, playoff rushing touchdowns. If you remove Neil downs, 505 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: Patrick's right there, and he's had iconic you know, so 506 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: that he's kind of more tactical with it choosing yeah, 507 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: say it again. He's more tactical with when he chooses 508 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: yes well, and I just don't. He's not as fast 509 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: as Lamar, and he's not as bruising and big as Josh, 510 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: so he has to be more. So if you're here, 511 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:07,919 Speaker 1: is what my rankings would look like. If I were doing, 512 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: I would go one Patrick, two, Josh three, Lamar four, 513 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: Joe five, Stafford six, Jalen Hurts seven with an asterisk 514 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 1: of it's probably too early, but I give it to him. 515 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels eight, Baker And then it gets trickier. 516 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: Did you say golf already? Did you say golf? You 517 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 2: didn't say golf. 518 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: I didn't say golf, and I didn't say Herbert. 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But Kevin Durant was all Mine the 537 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: Game with Steve Nash Lebron and he was talking about 538 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: longevity and while we can just play it for you 539 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: courtesy of our friends at Mine the Game. 540 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm ten twelve years in. I got full MVPs 541 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 4: of faux championships, Like, but do I still don't want 542 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 4: to do this shit? You know what I'm saying because 543 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 4: some people say I want to go play baseball and 544 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 4: didn't want to come back. Well, some people say I'm 545 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 4: gonna go twenty two straight. 546 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: One of the lines in there is some people say 547 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: I want to go play baseball and some want to 548 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:46,439 Speaker 1: play twenty two straight. And I I don't think this 549 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: is a controversial or hot take, guys, And yet somehow 550 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: and this is this is one of my and if 551 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: you think about this, it really will maybe reframe how 552 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: you view some of the Lebron Jordan stuff. Which is 553 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: so of the myths that exist in NBA history, the 554 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: vast majority of them serve one of one or two purposes, 555 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: either tearing down Lebron or building up Michael. So like, 556 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: in no particular order. I think here's a here's a 557 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: myth that just everyone believes. Man, the nineteen eighties were 558 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: just the peak of NBA physicality and tough defense, when 559 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: in reality, up until the twenty twenties, the nineteen eighties 560 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: were the highest scoring decade of post sixties NBA basketball. 561 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: Now there were more flagrant type fouls, but it was 562 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: running gun high scoring era. Another one, you know, on 563 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: the flip side of that is like one of the 564 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: most just up is down, black is white myths? Is 565 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 1: eh Lebron great player? Not that clutch when he has 566 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: more playoff game winners, regular season game winners, all of 567 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: that at a higher efficiency than any other superstar ever, 568 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: just on its face, incorrect facts. And the Michael Jordan 569 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: quit the sport because of the tragic murder of his 570 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: father and therefore it's almost a third rail to discuss 571 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: him walking away is just a myth. And the reason 572 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: I know that, and the reason you guys know that, 573 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: is because Michael and Ahmad Rashad told us in the 574 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: Last Dance if there was ever any question that I 575 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: don't know which episode of the Last Dance, but where 576 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: Ahmad said, you know, Michael was telling me essentially for 577 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: months that he was going to walk away. And now, 578 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: if you believe, as I think is a totally legitimate belief, 579 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,479 Speaker 1: that Michael looked at it as I beat the game, 580 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: I did something no one's done since Russell's Celtics. I 581 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: have nothing left to do here. I'm not enjoying this 582 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,919 Speaker 1: scrutiny and this and all of it. And then if 583 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: he was, you know, on the edge the tragic murder 584 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: of his father, was like, all right, I need a 585 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: fresh star on everything. And then it is even like, 586 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 1: so wildly impressive that he came back and after half 587 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: a season where they couldn't get it done, he then 588 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,879 Speaker 1: rips off another three pet and that is part of 589 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: his absolute legend. That's totally fair. I shouldn't even just 590 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: say it's fair. That's my opinion. I think that is 591 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: a remarkable feat. But the number of people that think 592 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: what Durant said was a hot take rather than an 593 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: objective fact. That is how we would evaluate literally anyone 594 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: in any field ever, which is, you certainly don't get 595 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: extra credit for quitting the thing that we are grading 596 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: you on. And Kevin Durant's point not only was it 597 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: not a hot take, it is damn near tutology, which is, 598 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: if we are discussing the greatest career or greatest player 599 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: in the history of the NBA and we say, well, 600 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: one guy after a little more than ten seasons, after 601 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: a dozen seasons, said okay, this is not even a 602 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: dozen seasons of my apologies, I'm gonna step away now 603 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: after ten seasons, pardon me, and then quit the game 604 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: and then came back two y or year and a 605 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: half later that that year and a half certainly doesn't 606 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: help his basketball career because there was no basketball career, 607 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:57,240 Speaker 1: and that if at least in the consistent year after 608 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: year after year excellence, the guy who never stepped away 609 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: and played at a top one level as long as 610 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: any player in the history of the league has a 611 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: top three level longer than any player in the history 612 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,800 Speaker 1: of the league has, and a top five level twice 613 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,800 Speaker 1: as long as any player in the history of the 614 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: league has. That that's at least a check mark in 615 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: that guy's column. Now, is that the whole column? 616 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 3: No? 617 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: Is that the only thing that matters? Of course not, 618 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: But is that obviously true? Yes, And people saw it 619 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: and were like, oh my god, Lebron's brainwashed. Another one 620 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: as opposed to, what are you guys talking about? If 621 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes quit this offseason to go play baseball and 622 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: two years later came back and was awesome again, we 623 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't say that time off helped his quest to 624 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: catch Brady. And that's all Katie was saying. But because 625 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: there's been so much mythology associated with this person and 626 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: this career, things that are just obvious in literally any 627 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: other mad Lib style remove the proper nouns and say, 628 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: in Nick Wright's quest to be an all time broadcaster, 629 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: did the two years he took off to go try 630 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: to be a professional poker player before returning to his 631 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: broadcast career those two years did that help or hurt 632 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 1: his quest to be an all time broadcaster? We'd be like, well, 633 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: they certainly didn't help, probably hurt. And so it's just 634 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: it was very informative to me the way people got 635 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: angry at that take, when it's the most obvious take 636 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: anyone's ever had. That being excellent at something for a 637 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: span of time, with no break and no years you 638 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: weren't excellent. That is a different type of accomplishment than 639 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: being excellent taking a year and a half off from it, 640 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: being excellent taking three years off from it, than being okay, 641 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: like that's just obvious. So another take of Kadi's I 642 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,399 Speaker 1: agree with, how about that unbelievable