WEBVTT - Episode 239: Here’s Who Killed JFK 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.200 Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.520 podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:08.239 Joshua P. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:08.640 Warre. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.159 Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.200 opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:26.440 only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.880 to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.120 and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:55.640 your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.880 Ready to be by the Wizard of Weird. This is 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.480 Strange Thing, Josha. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.520 I am Joshua BE Warren, and each week on this show, 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:16.040 I'll be bringing you brand new mind loving content, news, exercises, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.840 and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:26.000 lot more. On this edition of the show, Here's who 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:35.040 Killed JFK. This is a huge topic. I have tons 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:41.160 of information. It's intimidating to dig into this. Hopefully I 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:46.480 can fit in everything that I want to say. And 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.200 before I dive right into it, let me just say 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.520 right up front, I, as you may or may not know, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:59.640 am still just examining mountains of data from my recent 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.200 portal opening experiment in the desert using the device I 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.200 invented called the scionotron, And so in the near future 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:13.480 I will be I will be presenting the story of 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.520 what actually happened out there in the desert. It's just 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.880 taking me some time to put it together. In the meantime, 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.360 he would like to get some little glimpses. Go to 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:28.320 the website for the project scionotron dot com. That's PSIO 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:33.760 in it t r N scionotron dot com and you'll 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:39.560 see some updates there occasionally. Another thing I want to 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.200 say right up front here is that I generally avoid 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.200 talking about topics that I consider political on this show, 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:53.720 and by that I mean really getting into specific modern 0:02:53.760 --> 0:03:00.680 day politicians, specific actions by parties, the current events, et cetera. However, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.040 I do think it is perfectly appropriate on a show 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.680 like this for me to go back and talk about 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.840 some things that were more politically charged in the past, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.800 but actually have more to do with how governments work 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.840 and keep secrets from the people. And of course, when 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.160 it comes to President John F. Kennedy, there has been 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:26.000 tons of wild speculation as to who assassinated him, why 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:31.080 he was assassinated, even going back to stories regarding him 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:36.680 threatening to expose secret societies and UFOs that maybe he 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.080 and his brother even had some pillow talk with Marilyn 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.160 Monroe and that's why all three of them ended up dead. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.680 I mean, you hear all kinds of wild conspiracies. So 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.760 I think that this topic is it applies to a 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.160 show called Strange Things, because I do have some information 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.400 that I think you may find insightful. I also say 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.480 that I realize people listen to this show all over 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:06.400 the world, and so if you don't have some basic 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.840 understanding of United States history during the nineteen forties, fifties, 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.080 and sixties, then some of this may seem boring to you. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.120 If that is the case, then I understand you might 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.960 want to skip this show because I don't have time 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:27.719 to dig into all the specific historical frameworks here. You 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.040 also probably know that one of my best friends was 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.880 Jim Mars, and Jim Mars wrote a lot of great books. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.119 His most famous was a book called Crossfire. The Plot 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.479 that Killed Kennedy and Oliver Stone based his epic movie 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:51.880 JFK in large part on Jim Mars's book Crossfire. Jim 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.839 grew up in the Dallas Fort Worth area. He was 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.400 a crime reporter there at the time of the assassination. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.800 Jim ended up becoming a profess of journalism. I knew 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.200 him well enough that he would crash at my house 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.800 when he was in North Carolina. I would crash at 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.400 his house in Texas. We did speaking engagements together, we 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:17.760 did TV shows together, and so I have a special 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.200 degree of insight, perhaps on what may have happened to 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.240 John F. Kennedy because of my friendship with Jem Mars 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.520 in part. But that's not all I'm basing this ONNG 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.520 because I have also done an enormous amount of my 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.160 own independent research over the years. I've been to Dealey 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:42.920 Plaza where Kennedy was assassinated numerous times. I visited the 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:48.720 Book Depository Museum. My wife is from Texas, and her 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.440 she had family members who worked in government and the 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.440 oil business and all that kind of stuff. So I 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.240 really am in kind of a special position to have 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.400 maybe more insight than the average person on what happened there. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:07.239 Of course, John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November twenty second, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:13.479 nineteen sixty three, and he was the thirty sixth I'm sorry, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:18.200 thirty fifth president of the United States, youngest one ever 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:24.919 elected into office, I believe, And here is here is 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.920 in a nutshell how I think that we need to 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:37.840 view what happened. It really starts with President Eisenhower. Eisenhower 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:44.440 saying during his farewell address that we should be warned 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:49.640 about a military industrial complex that had formed in the 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:54.440 United States primarily because of the deals made in World 0:06:54.480 --> 0:07:00.159 War Two between the government and private weapons suppliers. He 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.039 meant by that was, you know, the government agencies are 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.200 supposed to be accountable to the people, but if you 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.200 if you contract with private companies, then they get protected 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:14.360 by all these privacy laws and it's easier to keep 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:19.160 certain secrets, which at the time was considered perfectly acceptable 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:24.040 due to national security concerns. And when you think about 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.040 all of the money that is made from a war 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:32.920 like World War Two, I'm not just talking about manufacturers 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:40.840 of weapons and airplanes and guns, and you know, producers 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.680 of oil. Many of those companies, by the way, were 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.280 based in Texas, many of them. But also we're talking 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.960 about more mundane things it takes to supply that food 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.600 and socks and cigarettes and chewing gum and you know, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.000 just all it's an incomprehensible network of of money that's 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:06.160 at stake when there is a war. And so it 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.800 was World War Two that really turned the United States 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:15.120 into a global superpower. And then of course after that 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.160 things became much more complex. Let me begin by telling 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:27.560 you that John F. Kennedy had a man who was 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:34.920 a colonel named L. Fletcher Prouty, who served for He 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:39.040 served as Chief of Special Operations for the Joint chiefs 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:46.520 of Staff under President John F. Kennedy. L. L. Fletcher 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.880 Prouty last name spelled pro ou t Y. He was 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.800 born in nineteen seventeen. He died in two thousand and 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.960 one at age eighty four. The guy was born in 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:06.000 Massachusetts and he was a United States Air Force colonel. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.400 He retired from military service to become a bank executive, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.040 and then after that he started going out and talking 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.480 a lot about what went wrong during those years. He 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.720 was a critic of US foreign policy, particularly the covert 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:27.199 activities of the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, which he 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:32.360 believed was working on behalf of some Second World elite. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.880 Proudy made some very interesting comments. Nobody doubts his credibility, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.160 but proud he made some very interesting comments over the 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.960 years about his experience being in the military during the 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:50.559 time when John F. Kennedy was assassinated. By the way, 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.480 I have to excuse my voice a little bit. I'm 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.960 recording this in the springtime, and so I've got some 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.960 allergy issues. A lot of people have been asking me 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:09.120 what I think about this whole jfk assassination story, because 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.400 on March eighteenth of twenty twenty five, the National Archives 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.000 released over seventy seven thousand pages of documents related to 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:22.120 this assassination, and there was an enormous interest, of course, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:28.520 but there were no major revelations. While some individuals hope 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:33.679 for revelations about conspiracies or multiple shooters, the documents largely 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:40.480 confirm the Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. However, 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.480 the documents do offer new details about the CIA's intelligence 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:50.320 operations and the FBI's investigation, and so that who knows. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.520 By the time you hear this, maybe some of the 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.480 stuff I'm talking about will sort of be outdated or 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.800 overshadowed by new news. But I kind of doubt it, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.280 as I've had the opinion for a long time that 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:07.440 I'm going to share with you now, Fletcher Py. Colonel 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:12.480 Prouty was at the Pentagon in the nineteen sixties and 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.839 one day he said that a general called him into 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.720 his office and told Prouty that Prouty needed to go 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:27.400 to Antarctica to work on some kind of a nuclear project. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.400 And proud he said, well, that doesn't make any sense. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.360 I don't know anything about the nuclear project. And the 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:38.480 general said, well, no, you're going, and sent him to Antarctica. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.720 This is the beginning of a very mysterious chain of events. 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.520 And when we come back from this brig, I'll tell 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:51.600 you what happened during Colonel Prouty's trip to Antarctica and back, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.280 and this will start giving you insight perhaps into what 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:03.320 forces where it were to assassinate John F. Kennedy, and 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:08.080 not just forces. I'm going to get into some specific names. Hey, 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.160 it's a free show. If you like this show, support it. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:17.640 Go to Joshua Pwarren dot com, click the link to 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:23.160 the Curiosity Shop and consider buying something amazing for yourself 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.760 or a loved one. 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Colonel Proudy says that he is 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:20.760 sort of well inexplicably set down to Antarctica, and he 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.880 said it didn't make any sense because when he got 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.360 down there, he really didn't have anything useful to contribute. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:31.200 It was curious. Well, I'm not sure how long you 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.880 was down there, but he was traveling back from Antarctica 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.160 by way of New Zealand, and one morning he was 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.040 sitting in a cafe with a couple of associates and 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.360 they heard on the loud speaker that John F. Kennedy 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:52.480 had been assassinated, and of course everybody was shocked. He 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.520 was able to get his hands on a New Zealand 0:15:55.680 --> 0:16:00.000 newspaper pretty quickly, and he said that it was amazing 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.640 seeing how much information there was. There was a huge 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:08.200 spread in this newspaper. It was about Oswald with a 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.400 pick of Oswald standing there with his gun and his 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.800 manifesto and all the details about how Oswald had done this, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:20.320 and it just seemed like case closed. And he thought, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:24.240 how did they get this much information this quickly about 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.400 this completely unexpected event, And right off the bat, he 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:32.400 said it reminded him of some of these intel operations 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:39.360 that he had witnessed during World War Two. And he 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.640 even said that if you started looking at the time zones, 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.880 that it looked to him like this information in the 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:51.560 paper may have been printed in New Zealand before the 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:58.160 assassination even happened. This is what really sent a cold 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.520 chill down his spine. Then it was like this whole thing, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:07.359 this media campaign, was already prepared. And when he got 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:12.199 back to Washington, he quickly realized that he was not 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:17.480 the only military person who was given these wild assignments 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.240 out of the country during the period of the assassination. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.639 A lot of people in the military, especially those close 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:30.040 to John F. Kennedy and his administration, were sent on 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.360 what you might think of as fool's errands. They were 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.439 just like somebody was trying to get them out of 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:41.119 the picture during this period of time, and then he 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:46.560 started thinking about who had an interest in orchestrating such 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:51.679 a thing and who had the power to cover up 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:58.120 exactly what had happened. And Colonel Prowdy said, in nineteen 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:03.360 forty five, before everybody knew about this top secret thing 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.119 called the atomic bomb, that they had been planning, the 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:13.320 US military had been planning a gigantic ground invasion of 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:18.000 Japan because the Japanese emperor was saying, we're not going 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:22.320 to surrender. We're not going to surrender, and so, you know, 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.280 without knowing about a bomb, and maybe you know, and 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.119 I guess they weren't even sure the bomb was going 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:34.000 to work. They had already created these incredible contracts with 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.720 all of these military suppliers, again many of them in 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:45.399 Texas are rooted financially in Texas, and they were ready 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.159 to go, and you know, they were going to make 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:48.960 a lot of money by invading Japan. And then all 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.480 of a sudden that wasn't necessary because the bomb was 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.440 dropped and so Japan surrendered, no need for all these 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:06.320 weapons resources to be used, and so these contractors they said, way, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.240 we got to we got to do something here in 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.160 order to utilize these weapons that we've created and get 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:21.000 paid for them. So they came up with a plan. 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:26.160 They almost immediately in nineteen forty five started sending most 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:33.080 of those supplies to a country called Vietnam, and the 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.080 war there would begin. Oh it would take, you know, 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.320 around twenty years later for the war there to begin. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.160 But it seemed like, according to Prouty, they were already 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.720 planning it around nineteen forty five forty six to do 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.920 something with all these weapons. And because all these military 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.520 contractors were twiddling their thumbs saying, come on, when are 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.240 we going to move on this and when are we 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.280 going to get all the contracts fulfilled, they started working 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.040 their way toward it. With the Korean War, et cetera. 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.320 Proud He said, there was incredible pressure for us to 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.880 fulfill these contracts from the military industrial complex in one 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:16.560 way or another. Many politicians were funded by these military contractors. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:22.280 The communist threat was pushed really hard and escalated into 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.240 the Cold War, which was all about driving that war machine. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:31.320 And because of John F. Kennedy's status as a war 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:35.159 hero in World War Two, at first there was a 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.679 lot of confidence that John F. Kennedy would go along 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.400 with this plan and shift those resources over to Vietnam 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:48.720 so that they could invade there. And at first JFK 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:54.520 was kind of on board with this communist threat because 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.879 of Cuba being so close to the United States and 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:04.000 Cuba was working with the Russians, and it seemed very 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.320 threatening that, you know, Vietnam's along long ways off, but 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.919 Cuba is right there off the coast of Florida. You 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:16.520 can't have that. And so when Kennedy decided that this 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.520 thing called the Bay of Pigs invasion should take place, 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.600 big military operation to go in and help overthrow the 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:29.680 Cuban government, the contractors were happy. But that project became 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:35.120 a huge failure and everybody was surprised, and that kind 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.080 of killed a lot of the momentum that JFK had 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:44.280 for pushing this agenda into defeating the communists in the 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:50.359 Vietnam region. And so JFK was not sold on escalating 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.760 things into this bigger war in Vietnam. And this became 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:58.680 a big, big problem for all of these inconceivably wealthy 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.919 people and companies that had all this money invested in 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.800 going to war. And again, many of these military contractors 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:11.720 were in Texas, even the Warren Commission talked about there 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:16.440 being a conspiracy regarding Oswald being a communist sympathizer and 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.320 going to Russia and then getting involved with Cuba and 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.640 all that. So it's sort of like, you know, everybody 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.960 agrees there was some kind of a conspiracy here. The 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:29.240 question is whose conspiracy do you believe. Nobody says Oswald 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.119 just woke up that morning and decided to go do 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.399 this spontaneously, So whose conspiracy do you want to believe? Now? 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.959 Around this time, it is now a matter of public 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:45.640 record that some agencies in our government were indeed working 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:50.560 with mafia assassins in New York and Chicago to possibly 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.560 go after Castro. That was one thing that they had discussed. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.880 So there was a relationship there. And I don't want 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.879 to point any direct fingers here and cast dispersions on 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.199 any particular age, but I think you can put some 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:08.439 pieces together yourself and look at the candidates. And there 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:12.040 are some people who believe that well, assassins who work 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.000 for the United States would have been brought in from 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.360 other countries, but that doesn't actually make sense because it's 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.040 better for you to utilize an assassin from your own country, 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.080 because when you do that you have a lot more 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:27.199 control and power over them if they go off the rails. 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.199 If you have some assassin from another country come here 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:31.919 and do something to go back to his country and 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.560 start bragging about it at a bar, you might not 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.520 be able to do as much about it, much less 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.159 control over farmers. And so there was this there was 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:45.880 this code of silence obviously among the people in the 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:53.399 mafia La Cosa and Nostra, and it was so well known. 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:57.280 I mean, Robert F. Kennedy, the President's brother, the Attorney General, 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:02.600 called it murder in corporate and of course he ended 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:07.199 up assassinated as well. So I think you see the 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.679 very clear motivation when there's this much money involved. So 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:16.400 let's say that's the most logical reason why that Kennedy 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.040 had to go, because he and his brother really were 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:24.879 standing in the way of what would become this war 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.840 in Vietnam that we are all confused about to this day, 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:33.240 like why was it necessary to go do that? Now, 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:37.280 when you go to Dealey Plaza, it's very interesting because 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:41.320 you can go up to the window that they say 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:45.520 that Oswald was at when he was shooting at Kennedy, 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:56.520 and the Warren Commission says that Oswald. He had this cheap, clumsy, 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:02.320 bolt action Italian rifle called a man Carkano. It jams easily, 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:08.160 and somehow he was able to fire three shots between 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.800 five and eight seconds on this thing, and obviously with 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:16.199 incredible accuracy. When I was at jim Mars House, he 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.359 had one of these bolt action rifles, a man Liquer Carkano, 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.880 exactly like the one that was used to kill JFK. 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:29.080 And he let me shoot his. It wasn't live, it 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.040 wasn't live, but he was like, see if you could 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.560 operate this gun and knock off that many shots in 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.399 that period of time. I couldn't do it, and Lauren 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.520 couldn't do it, certainly, not accurately. One thing that's even 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.439 weirder is that when you're standing at that window and 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.760 you're looking at the root the president took, there are 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:52.640 a number of things that don't make sense. And when 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.280 we come back from this break, I'll tell you what 0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:59.040 I mean by that. 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So 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.360 the target would have been getting bigger and bigger and 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.440 bigger from Oswald's point of view. And yet that's not 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.880 when the shots happened. Once they got right outside the 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:28.760 school book Depository, Kennedy's car took a left down Elbe Street, 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:33.400 which from Oswald's point of view was to the right. 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.720 And after that that meant his target was driving away 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.960 and getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And so only 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:47.880 then did he supposedly decide to start shooting. Why would 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.840 he do that? Well, you might say maybe he had 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.600 cold feet and he just delayed for a bit. Okay, fine, 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:57.080 But you know what, when he was looking in that direction, 0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.360 there were also tree branches that were hanging there, which 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.360 would have made it even more difficult for him to 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.840 achieve those shots. But here's the thing that blew my mind. 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.200 One time I was at Jim Marris House, and the 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.160 two of us were sitting in his study, and he 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.560 had the kind of study that you would imagine, you know, 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.600 tons of books and files, and he said, I want 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.720 to show you something. So because that Jim was working 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:26.640 as as a crime reporter there in the Dallas Fort 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:31.240 Worth area, and Jim actually knew Jack Ruby. By the way, 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:35.080 Jack Ruby, we'll get into him maybe a little bit 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:37.440 more later, but Jack Ruby was the guy who ended 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:42.360 up killing Oswald. And Jack Ruby knew a lot of 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:46.360 people in the area because he owned a strip club 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.320 and was into a lot of CD things and dark 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:56.600 backroom deals. And so Jim said, he said, I want 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.760 to show you a picture. He showed me a picture, 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:01.320 and I'm not sure if it was one that he 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.479 took or one of his colleagues took. Right then, as 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.800 soon as they would, let reporters go to the window 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:11.080 where Oswald was, and there was this big, giant black 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:15.680