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Speaker 1: So, I you guys know how much I love shoes.

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Speaker 1: One of my gifts from writer here is a shoe candle.

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Speaker 1: I just, I have loved shoes since I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: I loved my mom's shoes. Then when I was old

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Speaker 1: enough to start buying my own shoes, I've just I've

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Speaker 1: loved heels and Espa drills and sneakers and wedges and.

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Speaker 2: What's an Esqua drill? I'm sorry I heard. I understood

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Speaker 2: everything else, but what's an drill?

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Speaker 3: Is a type of poem. It's sixteen lines exactly. Doesn't

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Speaker 3: it sound like it should be.

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Speaker 2: In a drill that drills and the screw the other direction.

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Speaker 2: It's an Espa drill.

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Speaker 1: What what is an Espa drill? It's I'll show you

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Speaker 1: Espa drill wedges. It's like, this is a classic Espa

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Speaker 1: drill right there?

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Speaker 3: It went away, but yeah I saw it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an Espa drill.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they sometimes they lace up around your ankle. Is

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Speaker 1: that like shoe?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a heeled sandal, kind of.

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Speaker 1: Like a heeled sandal. Yeah, they're definitely a flat well,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's also these these are flat versions of it.

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Speaker 2: So it's a totally different thing.

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Speaker 1: This is so, this is what the definition is. A

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Speaker 1: flat shoe with a cloth upper, a rope sole, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes lacing that ties around the ankle, so that as

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Speaker 1: long as it has the rope bottom and a cloth top,

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Speaker 1: the shape of the shoe can be anything.

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Speaker 4: And then it sounds like what they would have worn

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Speaker 4: on ships and stuff like rope bottom, cloth top.

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Speaker 2: I kind of like them, are there, male? Can you

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Speaker 2: get men's esp drills?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm going to get an s P A A

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Speaker 1: U D R I L L EAT for men. Okay,

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Speaker 1: are you looking them up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna get some pirate shoes exact.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're called.

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Speaker 5: From now on. Those are.

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Speaker 1: Well, there are when you love shoes, there are just

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Speaker 1: some shoes that like really give you the ick, you know,

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Speaker 1: like like say, I mean crocs used to be one

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Speaker 1: of them, for sure, before crocs became so mainstream and

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Speaker 1: in your face that everybody wore them. But even crocs

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Speaker 1: took me a really long time to get past. I

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Speaker 1: was like, nope, never, you could never convince to wear crocs.

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Speaker 1: But I used to feel that way about Birkenstocks.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh gross.

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Speaker 1: No, Well guess what. The pandemic changed many things for me. Also,

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Speaker 1: becoming a mother changed many things for me. I bought

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Speaker 1: my first pair of Crocs during the pandemic. And I

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Speaker 1: bought my first pair of Birkenstocks when Adler was little

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Speaker 1: and we were going on a vacation and I was

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Speaker 1: going to be doing a ton of walking and I

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Speaker 1: need support. And everyone's like, oh, once you break in

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Speaker 1: your pair of Birkenstocks, they're the You can spend fourteen

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Speaker 1: hours walking around a city in them. So I did.

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Speaker 1: I got my first pair of Birkenstocks that broke them

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Speaker 1: in greatest, most comfortable shoe, never a shoe pain. If

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Speaker 1: I'm in a pair of Birkenstocks, I can wear them

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Speaker 1: for literally twelve hours going anywhere. I walked around Austria

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Speaker 1: totally fine. Yesterday I put on a pair of shoes

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Speaker 1: that are so icky. Do you know the shoes that

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Speaker 1: have individual pockets for your toast?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, the yes rocks.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I went to the gym yesterday. As you know,

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Speaker 1: very healthy lifestyle I've picked up over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of months have changed my eating habits, have started working out,

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Speaker 1: I've it has helped me, not at all. I've only

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Speaker 1: gained weight. I don't know how to explain it, but

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Speaker 1: I feel better. I do feel better, so I'm keeping

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Speaker 1: up with it. Anyway. Went to the gym yesterday to

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Speaker 1: do a met con class, which is a hit workout,

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Speaker 1: a high intensity interval training workout. You use weights and

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Speaker 1: you do these ten exercises. You do them three you

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Speaker 1: do them all ten of them. Then you start over

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Speaker 1: and you do them again three times. You do each

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Speaker 1: exercise for a minute. At my gym, the Poluva shoe

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Speaker 1: people were there and they were like, for this class only,

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Speaker 1: we are giving away free socks to anyone who would

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Speaker 1: like to try the shoes, and you can just wear

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Speaker 1: them for this class and then we'd love your honest feedback.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what you think about them. And I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna try it. Why not do

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Speaker 1: out there? Put on socks that have five daoles for

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Speaker 1: each of my toes, and then I put toes in

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Speaker 1: the shoes. They're freaking phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Not don't be that guy, bro.

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Speaker 1: I will never ever wear them out to like run

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Speaker 1: an errand, but I am thinking about buying some for weightlifting.

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Speaker 1: I can't even believe I'm saying it. I got pictures. Look,

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Speaker 1: I need to show you guys. First of all, the

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Speaker 1: bottoms of them are so cute, like I have little

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Speaker 1: panda feet.

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Speaker 3: So just your Wiki feet page is about to get

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Speaker 3: an update.

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Speaker 1: And the bottom of these shoes, okay, and then look look,

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Speaker 1: look look, and they feel cool. They feel great. So

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Speaker 1: here's what I like about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm so worried about each one of my toes. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, just stuff.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's great. And this is what they tried to

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Speaker 1: tell me. And at first I was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: understand what you're talking about. With normal shoes and the

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Speaker 1: way our feet are in them and as thick as

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Speaker 1: they are, and with the not having individual toe brackets,

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Speaker 1: you don't actually like your toes don't really grip the ground.

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Speaker 1: All of your toes don't really grip the ground. They're

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Speaker 1: just kind of like in your shoes. With these shoes.

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Speaker 1: Because all of my toes were housed in their own

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Speaker 1: so say I had heavy weights in my hands and

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Speaker 1: I was doing like a lunge that then where I

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Speaker 1: lifted my back foot and so I'm balancing on my

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Speaker 1: front foot. All of a sudden, all of my toes

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Speaker 1: were gripping the ground, kind of the way they do

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Speaker 1: when you're barefoot, like if you were doing yoga or

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Speaker 1: pilates and you're able to feel yourself and you can

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Speaker 1: like look down at your foot and realize, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I need to put I have all my weight in

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Speaker 1: my pinky toe. I need to put more weight in

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Speaker 1: the ball on my foot. You can feel all of

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Speaker 1: that with these shoes on. They were really grippy, so

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Speaker 1: I was still able to run around on the floor.

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Speaker 1: They're hideous. They're the ugliest shoes I've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: my entire life, and I could never be seen in them.

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Speaker 1: But I am thinking about buying a pair.

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Speaker 2: Would they in any way shape or form, uh like

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Speaker 2: get in.

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Speaker 4: Like screw up your man bun if you're wearing them.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious, would they mess Would they mess with that?

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Speaker 1: They would screw They'd screw up your macho ltte, your ice.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering about that, your cargo shorts and your man but.

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Speaker 1: Your petuli is a little less.

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Speaker 2: Potent, Okay, I'm just I'm just checking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you.

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Speaker 3: Can still do the devil sticks though, right, that's that's.

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Speaker 2: That's great, you can still do that. I love that anyway.

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Speaker 1: I did think you guys would not would just not

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Speaker 1: expect me to be an ugly shoe lady.

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Speaker 2: No, we call those douche shoes at our house.

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Speaker 1: I love that douche.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it so much, the douche, the douche shoes,

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Speaker 1: the douche shoe.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of what we call those. But hey,

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Speaker 2: I think you talk to me album no, to each

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's no, it makes sense because if you

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Speaker 4: if you then have the same conversation, but around hands,

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Speaker 4: you're talking about the difference between wearing a pair of

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Speaker 4: gloves and which makes it, which does make a big difference.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but no, but I just you know, it

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Speaker 1: Is, and I do think because then I so I

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Speaker 1: left and I was like, I'm going to look these

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Speaker 1: And I was looking at them and I did. Then

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Speaker 1: first of all, they're so so hideous on the website.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I just wore them and they didn't

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Speaker 1: look that hideous in person. On the website, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: they this is it couldn't possibly be this ugly. And

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Speaker 1: and I did stop myself from buying a pair because

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Speaker 1: I thought, am I ever going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get out of my own head when I'm wearing these

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Speaker 1: or the whole time? Am I going to be like

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Speaker 1: that person over there staring at my ugly feet? Shooes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't be able to do. If you're going

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Speaker 4: to do it, you have to just jump in with No.

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Speaker 1: You guys have single to.

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Speaker 3: Talk you out of it.

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Speaker 1: For weight lifting, Yeah no, No, it's good.

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Speaker 4: I like you shouldn't define you or be stereotypical. I

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Speaker 4: do put on your broken stocks, get into your super

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Speaker 4: and go and buy the douche shoes.

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Speaker 6: I think they'll be great. I don't see the problem.

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Speaker 6: What's no, I'm good. I'm good even with the cute

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Speaker 6: little bottom pand of feet. I'm not gonna not gonna

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Speaker 6: do it now.

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Speaker 3: I would not judge you for shaming me. I know

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Speaker 3: I would not.

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Speaker 4: I would not every time you put them on. He

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Speaker 3: I'm just worried about the comfort. I just whenever I

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Speaker 3: see like the idea of wrapping every one of my toes,

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Speaker 3: like exactly, that's what I mean. You don't, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: it seems like it wouldn't fit. Like it's just like

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Speaker 3: my toes would be too fat for one of them.

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Speaker 1: I just need it is. It is weird because my

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Speaker 1: big toe was like a little too long for that

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Speaker 1: size of shoe, but my pinky toe was nowhere near

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Speaker 1: the end of it. So like if I went up

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Speaker 1: a different size, my would have my big toe would

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Speaker 1: have more room, but my pinky it could be cost

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Speaker 1: a mold one for you, they told me when I

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Speaker 1: said that, They said, but part of the reason your

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Speaker 1: pinky toe doesn't take up enough room is because it's

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Speaker 1: so used to being squished in your regular shoes.

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Speaker 2: So they're pinky suffocating your petto.

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Speaker 1: My pinky toe has shrunk itself in order to fit

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Speaker 1: into the fabric of this society.

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Speaker 3: And if I could, in order to appeal to people

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Speaker 3: like you who call her douche shoes, if she likes

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Speaker 3: the wrong shoes.

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Speaker 1: My pinky could have its own identity.

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Speaker 2: You do you it doesn't? You go out there and

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Speaker 2: you bet the bottom shoes bag you can.

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Speaker 3: That's how I look at it. Be in a douchebag.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's wearing what you want. Wear that hair bun.

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Speaker 2: Of course, wear that hair bun.

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Speaker 1: Neglect your feet. If you guys want your pinky toes

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Speaker 1: to continue to shrink themselves to fit into society.

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Speaker 3: I am I'm totally are you? Are you well? Because

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Speaker 3: you know I don't have beach shoes. I hate anything

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Speaker 3: that actually shows my feet. This is perfect. These are

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Speaker 3: beachy shoes that I can wear. They're like sandals, but

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Speaker 3: I don't have to Actually, you know, one has to

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Speaker 5: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We are honored

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Speaker 5: everything I studied, I learned through music theory. I learned

434
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Speaker 5: to play an instrument. I learned about classical music, Western

435
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 5: and Asian. I went to Berlitz. I studied languages. So

436
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 5: he made he forced me to study, and he was

437
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 5: He went to do Pacific overtures for some time at

438
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 5: that time in seventy six, and he kind of funded me.

439
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I mean I had to borrow two

440
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 5: thousand from my screen actors. Guild Credit Union as well

441
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 5: in order to live. So I have to thank the

442
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 5: Credit Union for funding my education at that time. So

443
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 5: I was on there on my own. I lived at

444
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 5: the YMCA, and I've been studying ever since. Studying is

445
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 5: just part of being an actor. I study today, I

446
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 5: have classes today, I study.

447
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: It is so incredible and Maco is I mean, forget

448
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: being hugely important to me for my favorite show of

449
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 4: all time, mash where he must have played eight or

450
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: nine different characters, but Conan, his role in Conan the

451
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 4: Barbarian and ConA the Destroyer, like helped to define me

452
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 4: as a kid.

453
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 5: They were sicking.

454
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because I mean I'm a fantasy nerd. And

455
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 4: he was one of the first quote unquote wizards I

456
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: ever saw, because he played a sorcerer and a wizard

457
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 4: in Conan. And I think I was eight or nine

458
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 4: when it came out and it was just awe inspiring.

459
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, he was alleged.

460
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 5: Can I tell you a little funny story about Conan,

461
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 5: please please, Well what had happened was Arnold had hired

462
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 5: One of his requirements was that the director had to

463
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 5: hire all his buddies so Arnold could train with them.

464
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: While he was there in Spain, and one director hired

465
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 5: them to play all these warriors and muscle. Uh, these

466
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 5: these bad guys. Well, one thing that they did was

467
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 5: they developed every muscle in their body except one muscle,

468
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: and that was the voice musk, the throat muscle. So

469
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 5: they all came talking like this.

470
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: The way it was John Millis, John Milias.

471
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 5: So I had a meeting with John, you know, and

472
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: John said I can't have this because they were all time,

473
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 5: I will kill you. And John was this kind of

474
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 5: like Asiano file who loved Kurosawa, you know, I don't

475
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 5: know if you know. He did the Seventh Summarise and

476
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 5: me fooney and all that. So John said, I'm going

477
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: to play this movie the scene, this battle scene, and

478
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 5: this is how I want the battle scene to sound. Well,

479
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 5: Maco had introduced me to John and said, John, hire

480
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: this kid. And so I said, John, you don't have

481
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 5: to run. I used to watch that on my grandmother's lap.

482
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: So I know the movie backwards and forwards. I know

483
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: the sound that you want. So I recreated all these

484
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 5: Samurai voices, you know, for John. So I replaced all

485
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 5: these muscle men and made men out of them cool,

486
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 5: and that was in Conan Barbarian and that kind of

487
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: like was a trajectory for me and my If you've

488
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 5: seen my IMDb, I've done a lot of voice work. Yeah,

489
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 5: that was a trajectory for me to start working in

490
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: voice because I said, Wow, I don't have to I

491
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: can wear my pajamas exactly, get up and walk to

492
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 5: I don't don't have to worry about, you know, having

493
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 5: these two hour early calls before I hit the set.

494
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: With the makeup makeup man.

495
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 5: So yeah, so that's my con end story.

496
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: Let's jump into your TV career a little bit. You

497
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: began your career on shows like Room two twenty two

498
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: and Kojak and movies like Private Benjamin. But I think

499
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: most of our audience may have first seen you on

500
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: different strokes, So I wanted to talk to you about

501
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: that experience and but also the kinds of roles you

502
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: were auditioning for as an Asian American.

503
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Speaker 5: Well, let me just say this to you quite frankly,

504
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 5: that Asian Americans are not seen as Americans. Of my

505
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 5: roles has been as a foreigner, right, so, which was

506
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 5: really difficult for for many of us because when we

507
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 5: were growing up our parents said, no, you're American, don't

508
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 5: speak our language. So you know, it was a kind

509
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 5: of like a contradiction. Here I was in Hollywood, and

510
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 5: I realized that shortly. I said, Wow, they only see

511
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 5: me as a foreigner. But I speak English, and I

512
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 5: can speak English better than a lot of English. So

513
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 5: so different strokes. So I had to learn to adjust.

514
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 5: I had to learn to learn other people's cultures, which

515
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 5: I was fortunate because I was in Hawaiian and it

516
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 5: was multicultural. You know. We grew up with Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Vietnamese,

517
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 5: Portuguese and so on, so I kind of learned the culture.

518
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: So different strokes was interesting. You know. At night I

519
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: would be doing Ibsen and Tennessee Williams, like I said, Albi,

520
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: and then in the day I would be doing stuff

521
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 5: like different strokes and Golden Girls and stuff like that,

522
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: and I was kind of weighing what is most important

523
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 5: to me, you know. I was doing regional theater. I

524
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 5: went to Milwaukee, I went to New Hampshire. I was

525
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 5: traveling around the country working for peanuts. And then I

526
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 5: would do these TV shows and make incredible amounts of money,

527
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 5: and I just could not understand it, the contributions. So

528
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 5: what I found out though, was that when people were

529
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: working in Hollywood, and particularly in TV, and particularly in

530
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 5: three camera comedy, people were very anxious about their longevity

531
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 5: and their life. Yeah, people always worried and scared, particularly

532
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 5: the adults, whether they were going to get canceled, what

533
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 5: their ratings were, where they were going to live, where

534
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 5: their character was going to die, whether they were whether

535
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: the writer, producer, runner of the show was happy with them,

536
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 5: you know, because if they weren't, they might be written

537
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 5: out of the show, or they not enough dialogue. So

538
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 5: I said, well, it's good. I'm I can't you know,

539
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: I'm I'm just a guest there, and I'll be a

540
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 5: guest everywhere I go. I'll never be a part of

541
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 5: this infrastructure, you know, I'll never be part of that society.

542
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: Number One, they wouldn't allow us in unlike today you

543
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: might see more of us because we fought for that.

544
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 5: But I said, you know, I cannot rely on these people.

545
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 5: I just have to do my own thing. So I

546
00:32:53,680 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: was never worried about being fired, or being a band

547
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 5: or being how would you say an outcast? I mean,

548
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: I just did my thing. And I guess there was

549
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 5: some smart enough people to realize, Yeah, that guy knows

550
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: m he's always on time, he always knows his lines,

551
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 5: he always hits his mart get them, yeah, you know,

552
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: And I realized that I would spend more time being

553
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 5: proficient and efficient as opposed to trying to get somebody

554
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 5: to love me.

555
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: Right.

556
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: So, I don't know, I really I really felt a contradiction.

557
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: You know. I was happy doing this show, but as

558
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: I watched the kids around me, I was kind of

559
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 5: sad at the same time, if you know what I mean.

560
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 5: And it was very sad because I felt no one's

561
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 5: really educating the young people about the potential of their potential,

562
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 5: you know. And consequently what happened was proved to be true.

563
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 5: I loved working with the old timers. Conrad Bain was

564
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 5: a wonderful gentleman who came from theater and he could

565
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: understand me, and so we kind of bonded there and

566
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 5: it was it was enjoyable. I'll say one other thing,

567
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 5: like like Golden Girls. Golden Girls, everybody would warn me

568
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 5: about be Arthur. Yeah, they say, oh, you got to

569
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: watch out for her. She suffers the fools. Well, she

570
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 5: doesn't but she does appreciate actors who are serious. And

571
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 5: when I did the scene with her, it was it

572
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: was delightful because she was she was good.

573
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one of the best ever on television.

574
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 5: I think, so. I mean she was. She was very good,

575
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: very professional, and she was a fellow I don't want

576
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 5: to say the word artists. I never refer to myself

577
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 5: as one a fellow artisan, you know, very craft. She

578
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 5: was respected the craft, and that's what I really loved

579
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 5: about her.

580
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: Well, you would go on to appear on literal classic

581
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: TV shows like Taxi, The Jefferson's, Cheers, and Saint Elsewhere,

582
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: alongside our pwell William Daniels. Yeah, did you ever feel like,

583
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, that sense you had as a kid that

584
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: you weren't going to amount to much because you weren't

585
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: the traditional good student. Did you ever feel like you

586
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: were making it moving here from Hawaii and booking so

587
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: much incredible work?

588
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: No? No, wow, Because you know, my mother's friends, their

589
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: sons were doctors and lawyers and very very wealthy, very established,

590
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 5: and my mom was very impressed because they grew up

591
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 5: in the Eisenhower days, they grew up the Rockefeller days,

592
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 5: they grew up in the how to influence people, you know,

593
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 5: with your magnanimity. They would love Donald Trump today because

594
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 5: he was wealthy, and that would be the criteria. I'm me,

595
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: I'm presuming, yeah, But I tell you one time I

596
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 5: did I did. I did a movie The Week with

597
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 5: Karen Allen and it was about the Challenger Shuttle. You

598
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 5: remember the shuttle that carsonal So I played one of

599
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 5: the astronauts, Elison on a Zuka who was on the

600
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 5: flight at that time. And I went home and in

601
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 5: Hawaii and finally my mom was kind of proud of me.

602
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: And then but then she would go around to her

603
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: friends going like, well, you know where he got his

604
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 5: talent from?

605
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: So taking credit, no praise, but taking credit.

606
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: Wow, well you know because I was, you know, when

607
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: high school, I was, you.

608
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Know, in a play in a play.

609
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 5: Wow, So I really you know, it was it was

610
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: kind of funny. But when my dad asked me how

611
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 5: much money I made, and I made a lot of money,

612
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 5: as you can imagine, he just he would not believe

613
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 5: me because what I made in a week he made

614
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 5: in a year. So they all kind of like in

615
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 5: the final decades kind of like was proud, but they

616
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 5: were proud because I was part of the family.

617
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 4: You know, I have to ask about the about the

618
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: the the movie of the week was Karen Allen, Krista mccaulloff.

619
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, and Barry Bostwick was in it, you know, man,

620
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 5: Peter Boy was in it. It was it was a

621
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 5: fun project. Yeah. Wow.

622
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: Let's get into your time on Boy Meets World. Do

623
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: you remember the audition for the role of Professor?

624
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

625
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what was that like?

626
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: It was like any other job. You know, I've going

627
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 5: on auditions for all kinds of stuff. So if if

628
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 5: you know the role, I mean it was just gibberish, right,

629
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: and so I just didn't get gibberish.

630
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: We talked about it when we recapped the episode, because

631
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: you say it was just gibberish, as if doing gibberish

632
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: is actually easy. It is not. We all like practiced

633
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: on the day we recapture episode.

634
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: And none of us could do it.

635
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: None of us could even come close.

636
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: It's one of those things that conceptually, like even if

637
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: you wrote it, you'd be like, oh, that'll be funny,

638
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: but to actually deliver it and sell it is really difficult.

639
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: Well, you know, sound is as important as words. You know.

640
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 5: That's what I was taught from my mentor Macco. He says,

641
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 5: sound tells you the truth, and just you go back

642
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: on this tape and listen to yourselves. How much sound

643
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 5: you just said? Hmm, And it has subtext to it.

644
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 5: So sound is very important. When we're singing opera, we're

645
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: singing Italian and like, I don't know what it means, right,

646
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 5: you know, when I'm singing German, I'm singing Ontie music

647
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 5: and Schubert's under music to hold the kunsin vivel gauen Stunden.

648
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: I don't know what the actual meaning is. I've since learned,

649
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 5: but while I'm singing it, I'm kind of like thinking

650
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 5: of the German you know, at that time, and you

651
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: know the music of Bach and and sound is really important.

652
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 5: So sound was not a problem with me because I

653
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 5: grew up in a country or a state that sound.

654
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 5: You know. I would hear the Filipinos speaking and the

655
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 5: Koreans speaking, and their sounds were, for example, like Chinese

656
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 5: would in a moment of expression, they would say ah yeah, uh,

657
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 5: Koreans would uh. Koreans would say aigh. Philippines with withoud

658
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: Filipino you would say, oh no, and in Japanese you

659
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 5: would say, ah yah. They are all sounds, and there's

660
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 5: sounds that relate to what you feel, deep feelings that

661
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 5: you feel. So sound was not difficult for me. What

662
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 5: was difficult was, you know, when you do three camera,

663
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 5: I'm really talking a lot. I don't know why, because

664
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: maybe because.

665
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: That's wanted to talk to you.

666
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: Usually I don't spend that much time explaining. But with

667
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 5: other actors, I think you guys could understand it, really sure.

668
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: But when you when you're working in three camera comedy

669
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: and you know, I work with guys like Bud Yorkin

670
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 5: and Norman Lear and those guys, and it was brutal,

671
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 5: bruialty No, but it was brutal because Bud would come down,

672
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 5: you know, after you have a run through and he'd

673
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: watched run through, he'd come down with a martini with

674
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 5: his guys and they would sit there and criticize. And

675
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 5: you know, these guys were not they were not theater people.

676
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 5: They didn't you know, they were just they wanted the laugh,

677
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 5: they wanted the moment of response. They wanted results, well,

678
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 5: results in terms of the scene, in terms of acting.

679
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 5: They wanted results and Wow, I was not that. I

680
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 5: was the type of actor where I bet, like you know,

681
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: we loved Brando, you know, like searching and wondering and

682
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: you know that was our kind of like hero when

683
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 5: when I was a kid, and and James Dean and

684
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 5: we try to find the moment of the scene, and

685
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 5: they weren't interested in the moment of the scene. They

686
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 5: wanted to laugh, you know. It was rhythm.

687
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

688
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: So I when you say the audition I just I

689
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 5: mean the gibberish part wasn't the problem of it was.

690
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 5: It was. It was the results and what the showrunner wanted.

691
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: So when so you get the job, you come, you come.

692
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: You're on set with us during that week. What do

693
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: you remember that week about the rehearsal process taping, because,

694
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, we had a showrunner that would come

695
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: down after, you know, run through and give very long notes.

696
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: What was your experience that week.

697
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 5: Well, for the young people, I really liked them. They

698
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 5: were very respectful to me, you know, and I liked

699
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 5: all the young people.

700
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: That would have been us.

701
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they were very supportive and friendly to me.

702
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 5: They would bring up shows movies that they had seen

703
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 5: me and you know, yeah, and we talked. The older

704
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 5: people were always like nervous, particularly with the showrunner, you know,

705
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 5: like is he upset? Is he mad? Did he think

706
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 5: I was funny? And I was going, well, that's not

707
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 5: a way to live a life for me anyway. And

708
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 5: so I was like on my tiptoes, you know, like

709
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: trying to like be careful, like just be careful that

710
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: I would make it through the week at my check

711
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 5: and then go on to do other things. I don't

712
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 5: know if you talk to the woman that kind of

713
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 5: like talk to me about this show, And I said,

714
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 5: it was not a really great experience for me. So

715
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 5: I don't know why they want to talk to me.

716
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: We want to hear your experience good, bad, We want

717
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: to hear it all.

718
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: Well, like I said, the showrunner was you know, pretty alpha,

719
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: pretty dominating.

720
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

721
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 5: And I understood the necessity of it. I understood the

722
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 5: importance of that. I mean I had worked in many

723
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 5: many shows where like I said, I worked for Dorm

724
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 5: Bud yorkin you know, and Bud was doing the Red

725
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: Fox show and read banned him from the set and

726
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 5: read and he said, but Red, I owned the show,

727
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 5: and read, I don't care. I'm not coming to the

728
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 5: set if you're there. And ABC had called up Bud

729
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 5: York and had said, don't go down to the set, So,

730
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 5: you know, you have that kind of conflict and contradiction,

731
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 5: and I just I was like, not intimidated, but I

732
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 5: didn't want to be around that kind of you know,

733
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 5: and every three camera comedy I had seen it, you know, yeah,

734
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: and where the showrunner is the boss and there's no

735
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 5: way to have a conversation about it. You know, you

736
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 5: do what you're told or you're done. So my job

737
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 5: was just doing what I was told. That was it.

738
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: Yep, get in, do it like this and leave, take

739
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: your shot, and then go do something that actually fills

740
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: your soul.

741
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but I enjoyed the people on the show.

742
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 5: There was one writer who can't remember his name, but

743
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: he was very kind, and like I said, the young

744
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 5: people were very fun to be with.

745
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well good, I'm glad. I'm glad at least

746
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: we were fun to be around.

747
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm glad I was done with it.

748
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you got to leave. Did you ever watch

749
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: the shows when they aired? Did you see your boy

750
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: Meets were all episode when it aired on TV?

751
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: Eventually, I only watched it recently, really told me to

752
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 5: watch it.

753
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you? What were your thoughts on it?

754
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 5: Now?

755
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts watching it?

756
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 5: I was terrible? You know how you think that we

757
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 5: as actors, you know, you always look at yourself. I

758
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 5: could have done that. I could. Of course, I should

759
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 5: have did this. I should have done it. You know,

760
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 5: I could have been better, which has always been my mantra.

761
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: You know, I can be better. I should be better.

762
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 5: You know. So such an actor thing.

763
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 4: It's such an actor thing too, your Monday morning quarterback,

764
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: your own performance all the time. And oh if I

765
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: could just have given it a shot, if I could

766
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: do it one more time, I would have done this.

767
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: But the truth of the matter is, then if you

768
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 4: watched it a third time, you'd want to change the.

769
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: Thing you just did again.

770
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: It would it would never be.

771
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: Perfect, no matter what you think.

772
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but.

773
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: We absolutely loved you in it.

774
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

775
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: Hysterical so funny, absolutely nailed it, laugh out loud funny,

776
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean, truly sparked an entire discussion for us about

777
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: how much harder what you are doing, how much harder

778
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: it is than it looks it looks like? How I

779
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: mean you make it look seamless and effortless, and then

780
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: all of us, with effort, could not come close to it.

781
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: So truly, we also wanted to talk Deadwood with you,

782
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: where you played mister wu. This was a magical show

783
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: created by David Milch that even with all the acclaim

784
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: it did get deserved even more. Do you consider this

785
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: maybe the best thing you've ever done? And if not,

786
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: what do you think is the best thing you've ever done?

787
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 5: Well? Yes, I was very fortunate to meet David Milch.

788
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: You know, oftentimes, like I said, people see us as foreigners.

789
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 5: Well we are in a sense, at least my grandparents were,

790
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: and I've always wanted the opportunity to show them, not

791
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 5: to glorify them, but to show them that they had

792
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 5: desires and passions too, And David Milt was open to that.

793
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 5: It's kind of character that I've I am and I've

794
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 5: always wanted to develop and he did too. So and

795
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 5: he did that with every character. You know, he did

796
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: that with every character. Find out get the essence of

797
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 5: what that character represented, what his dreams were, what his

798
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 5: failures were, and his inner dialogue, what we really thought

799
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 5: about the situation. It was just grand You know, just

800
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 5: to be on the set to work with as great actors.

801
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 5: I don't know about you, but you know, like that

802
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 5: old joke about when you look at a script you

803
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 5: go to my line, my line both, well, we would

804
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 5: like I would come down to the set just to

805
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 5: watch people act. Wow, yeah, and just watch scene. Billy sorry,

806
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 5: I can't think of his name. William Anderson, Billy Anderson.

807
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 5: He was in that Bob Newhart show. He was one

808
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 5: of the brothers. He played. Yeah. Uh, he played the

809
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 5: mayor of Deadwood, and he is such a great actor.

810
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 5: I would just go down to the set just to

811
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: watch him act. Uh. And it was just wonderful. It

812
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 5: was like being in school, you know, like being like

813
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 5: an actors studio where you go and watch somebody scene

814
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 5: and you'd learn from that, and Milts would come down

815
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 5: and explain to you what the scene was about and

816
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: how stupid you were, and you, you don't know. The

817
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 5: great feeling it is when somebody as smart as David

818
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 5: Milt comes up to you and go, that was stupid,

819
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 5: you know, And he goes, you know what I'm trying

820
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 5: to say, right, you know what I mean? Right? And

821
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 5: I go, yeah, I know what you mean. David, and

822
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 5: then we would go back and work it out. And

823
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 5: David was the kind of guy. He was great. I mean,

824
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 5: he feared nobody. You know, he'd go, we'd be on

825
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 5: season episode three and he go, he'd watch episode three

826
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: the scene and go, you know that scene in episode one,

827
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 5: I want to rewrite it. He took the producers and

828
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 5: he go, I think that I could make that scene better.

829
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 5: And they go, David, we have to rehire all those actors,

830
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 5: build a set, and he goes, I don't care to

831
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 5: do it because it will make me better. And I

832
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 5: think that's why HBO kind of like canceled it, because

833
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 5: it was it was an expensive show because of how

834
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 5: David wanted to do this show, and that's when TV

835
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 5: can be. It's yeah, I think, I think, I think,

836
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 5: you know, but.

837
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: I mean watching it was it was. I remember the

838
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: first time, the first couple episodes, it hit me.

839
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this is this is how Shakespeare

840
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: would do a Western.

841
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was that level.

842
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 4: It was literally Shakespearean with the characters and there, I

843
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: mean there. It was amazing it what it did for television,

844
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 4: but also for the Western, where it was just such

845
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 4: on a different level all the way around.

846
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: It was truly just one of the most magical things

847
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: that I think has ever been on television.

848
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 4: And I know people would think that's that's a bold statement,

849
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 4: but I truly think it's deserving of that statement. It

850
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: is was magical. It really was lightning in a bottle.

851
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 4: It was all the ridiculous platitudes you hear about something

852
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: wonderful that was fleeting was Deadwood.

853
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: It was incredible.

854
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 5: Well, let me ask you this question, then, do you

855
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 5: think that every Western since Deadwood on TV? Successful successful

856
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 5: Western has been influenced by Deadwood?

857
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: Oh?

858
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 5: Absolutely, absolutely? Do you think not? I do. I read

859
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 5: an article recently that said every Western that has followed

860
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 5: dead Deadwood has something to be thankful for from.

861
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: In some way Deadwood.

862
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing.

863
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 5: The struggle that we had, the challenge that we had

864
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 5: as actors was great because where in TV does a

865
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 5: challenge you to to surpass your present state and become

866
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 5: something greater. Where where in TV does that? You know?

867
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 5: And I find that that has carried me in my career.

868
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 5: I just recently did a a series with Jessica Bielle

869
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 5: in New York and it was one of the first

870
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 5: times I felt as an actor that I was complete,

871
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 5: that I had my own identity, that my identity was

872
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 5: not fined for you by the writer or the director,

873
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 5: or the or the producer, but that I had felt

874
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 5: that I had my own identity as the character, and

875
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 5: I had established it. And I guess that's what Deadwood

876
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 5: has allowed me to do, was to come onto every

877
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 5: project to be able to say, Okay, let me give

878
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 5: a dimension to this that is not just two dimensional

879
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 5: or four dimensional. Let me be more abstract, let me

880
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 5: let me uncover the character, and consequently, wow, that seems

881
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 5: to work for me. Which what I learned from Deadwood

882
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 5: that you're much more than the printed page is two dimensional? Right?

883
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 5: You read it on the page, You read on the

884
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 5: page eight times, and you think, oh, what can make

885
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 5: this work? Why? Right? Right? And you find it? And

886
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 5: so that pushed by David Mills, is find the character.

887
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 5: Don't be stupid, don't take the least common denominator, take

888
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 5: the highest common denominate, yes on the other extra spectrum

889
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 5: and challenge you as an actor. And I guess that's

890
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 5: what Didwood did. And I was very fortunate. I'm so

891
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 5: fortunate that I was to meet somebody like David Milch.

892
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: I won't talk about all the video games that you

893
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: have worked on because those companies have to pay your

894
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: union first. But in animated product Jax, you voiced Naruto Avatar,

895
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: The Last Airbender, High High, Puffy on the Yumi Batman,

896
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: and now Gremlin's The Secrets of Maguai. All of these

897
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: projects have had huge spikes in popularity over the past

898
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: few years. Are you surprised by the mainstreaming of anime

899
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: and animated shows?

900
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 5: No, let me tell you what I'm surprised about. That

901
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 5: is young people's devotion to it. Yeah, and I wish

902
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 5: it wasn't so much so, because they're obviously looking for

903
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 5: an outlet that relieves them from anxiety and pressures. And

904
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 5: I go to all these I'm invited to a lot

905
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 5: of comic cons Yeah, and I see young people just uh,

906
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 5: throwing themselves into that kind of like a cult of anime,

907
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 5: understanding what that anime means. In Japan, it's the same thing,

908
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 5: you know, you know in Japan. You know, Japan is

909
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 5: a very controlled society in terms of behavior and in

910
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 5: terms of how you relate to each other, in terms

911
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 5: of not only personal relationship, but in class relationship. There's

912
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 5: forms of language that you must speak if you're talking

913
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 5: to someone older than you, superior to you. And there's

914
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 5: a way to talk to somebody who's beneath you. In Japanese,

915
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 5: you know, to cuss somebody out, there's no real cuss words.

916
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 5: Is the word you and the different forms of you.

917
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 5: So I can have a formal way of saying you,

918
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 5: or I can have an informal way, and the way

919
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 5: you use it to somebody determines your really, So what

920
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 5: I'm trying to say is Japan has very control society

921
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 5: and they let their emotions out by watching all this

922
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 5: man manga and you know, you say, wow, they have

923
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 5: so much violence in their things. Well yeah, but that's

924
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: the one way what they use in order not to

925
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: commit violence. Yeah, but in America, kids are really like

926
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 5: put so much equity in these things. And it doesn't

927
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 5: bother me, but I just wish I could sit down

928
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 5: with them and say, oh, hey, you know why you're

929
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 5: doing this right? Yeah, you know, you know why. And

930
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 5: Star Wars has been becoming a cult as well, you know,

931
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 5: and it's fine, you should love these things, but you

932
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 5: should love them in terms of how that relates to

933
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 5: your life, that what you want to do with your

934
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 5: life and what you want how you want to be

935
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 5: progressive to progress. So when you say, am I surprised, No,

936
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised because we live in a cult kind

937
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: of world right now. Well, we're not thinking for ourselves,

938
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 5: you know, we're not looking at factual evidence and heroes.

939
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 5: Heroes are not going to save our day for us ourselves.

940
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 5: And so it really bothers me that about this kind

941
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 5: of implosion of anime and manga. And you know, I mean,

942
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 5: it's it's great. We have cartoons. There's some really great

943
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 5: you know, like I don't know if you know the

944
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 5: history of like comics like Will Eisner who was uh,

945
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 5: who was a great great UH novelist, comic book novelist.

946
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 5: He wrote about the strugg of the Jews in the

947
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 5: Lower East Side during the Depression and uh, And that's

948
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: what I find kind of missing sometimes.

949
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, we talked we talked a little bit about

950
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: this with Stephen Park when he was on the podcast.

951
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: But obviously you have witnessed a total evolution of opportunities

952
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: for Asian actors in Hollywood. What are your feelings when

953
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: you see actors like Stephen Youn or Henry Golding starring

954
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: in massive movies without any signifying mark about their race.

955
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 5: It's good, it's good. But you know in plays I've

956
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 5: done Gibson, I've done Chekhov, you know, I've done a

957
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 5: lot of and I think I laid that found is

958
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 5: my generation that kind of laid the foundation for them

959
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 5: thinking where they could go.

960
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: Yes, sure, for sure.

961
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 5: You know the generation before me, which was the first

962
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 5: generation that was with like people like Richard lou Kee Luke,

963
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 5: that generation. I'm the second generation. They were kind of

964
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 5: like immigrants and kind of fulfilling the role of being

965
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 5: the Asian you know, the Fu Manchu or the Asian

966
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 5: stereotype for what America needed in terms of like a

967
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 5: growing as a as a first world They needed to

968
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 5: picture the enemy properly for people, you know. And so

969
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 5: we came up and said, hey, you know, we're Americans too,

970
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 5: So we wanted so and theater was our outlet because

971
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: like I said, I think I said of the characters

972
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 5: I played in Foreigners, and to see that change now

973
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 5: is very is very good. It's what we've worked for

974
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 5: as a community of Asian American performers in this country.

975
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 5: Don't forget that we got reparations for when Japanese Americans

976
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 5: were interned during the war. We got reparations from the

977
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 5: an apology from Ronald Reagan. So that l Mark was

978
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 5: very important for us because it showed, hey, we are

979
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 5: humans too, which consequently transferring itself to a lot of writers, novelists.

980
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 5: You know who wrote Crazy Rich Asians and who wrote

981
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 5: all these books and Maxine Hank Kingston and Amy Tanned

982
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 5: they wrote all these novels and then movies were made

983
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 5: from them, which is really good. But I just have

984
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 5: one question, one point of view that you might not

985
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 5: agree with me, and I'm sure it will offend a

986
01:01:54,880 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 5: lot of people that Asian men are still shown uh

987
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 5: yeh in a non positive light. It could be shown

988
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 5: in a more positive light. And you mentioned these guys

989
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 5: like Steve and you and Harry Golden, which is good?

990
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 5: Which is which is which? Which is I really admire.

991
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 5: But we're still shown as subhumans. We're really shown. We're

992
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 5: still shown as effeminate, submissive, passive, and in my community,

993
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 5: we're not. We're not and that's what's not being shown.

994
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 5: And so our culture has to be brought out into

995
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 5: the open so people can see yeah, you know, and

996
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 5: and then some people do some people do, you know,

997
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 5: some people do. Uh. I remember when I was young,

998
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 5: people would say to me, you guys eat raw fish.

999
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 5: Now everybody eats raw yeah, right exactly, But it's what

1000
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,959
Speaker 5: kind of raw fish? Now? That's important?

1001
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: Right right?

1002
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's not just some fancy exotic kind

1003
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 5: of thing. But it's the you know, it's it's the

1004
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 5: real versus the fake. And that is always our struggle

1005
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 5: as human beings on this earth is always what is real?

1006
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 5: What is fake?

1007
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1008
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 5: And I subscribe that Asian American men have a place

1009
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 5: in this, in our story of America.

1010
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: You know, yes, I really appreciate you sharing your POV.

1011
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: I know you started it by saying there are going

1012
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: to be some people who may disagree or who find

1013
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: it offensive, but you know, truly being willing to speak

1014
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: out and say your experience. You have a POV that

1015
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: certainly the three other people on this zoom with you

1016
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: don't have. We can't we can't speak from your POV.

1017
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: And so for you being willing to say it and

1018
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: to share your honesty with us, Like you said, your

1019
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: generation is the generation that helped propel and make these changes,

1020
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: but there are still more strides that need to be

1021
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: taken and that that need to happen. And so thank

1022
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: you for sharing that thought with us and your perspective

1023
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: with us.

1024
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can tell you one thing. Uh you look

1025
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 5: at what the women's movement has done. Mhmm. You can

1026
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 5: get kicked off for show. Now if you sexually harass somebody, right,

1027
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 5: you can get your career can be destroyed if you

1028
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 5: if you engage in those activities. Well, in my time,

1029
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 5: those activities were common.

1030
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1031
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 5: You had to expect it if you wanted to be

1032
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 5: an actress, if you wanted to be successful, not only

1033
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 5: an actress, as actress too, you have to succumb to it.

1034
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 5: You'd have to accept this.

1035
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just part of the job.

1036
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, part of the gig. Right, So now that's changed.

1037
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 5: But can you stop with somebody from harassing you racially?

1038
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: Hm hmmm No, yeah, not yet.

1039
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 5: Not yet. So I mean, uh, maybe my my look

1040
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 5: at life is skewed, skewed, you know, twisted, and it

1041
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 5: is it is because going back to when I was

1042
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 5: a kid, I was not accepted by the general public.

1043
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 5: So my view of life is kind of skewed. Skewed. Yeah, yeah,

1044
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 5: So I I ask you for your understanding and forgiveness

1045
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 5: for having that kind of like view as a Yogo

1046
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 5: d h h. But I am one h but because

1047
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 5: of who I am, because of the race I am,

1048
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 5: because of the class I am, I have been twisted,

1049
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 5: so you must forgive my twisted view.

1050
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: Well, Keoni, we have been so honored to have you

1051
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: as a part of the Boy Meets World legacy, an

1052
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: actor with almost three hundred credits to his name, so

1053
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: many memorable roles and projects. We really thank you very

1054
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: much for spending your time and coming on the podcast

1055
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: and talking with us. It was we thank you a real.

1056
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: Joy, amazing.

1057
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 5: Well, I am honored as well. I know about your

1058
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 5: careers and I am very honored as well to be

1059
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 5: accepted by you.

1060
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending your time with us. We really

1061
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And I hope it's not the last time.

1062
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: Hope.

1063
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: I hope our paths cross again. I mean, who would

1064
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,919
Speaker 1: have predicted that almost thirty years later, our paths would

1065
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: cross here on this podcast, So I hope it's not

1066
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: the last time. Thank you so much, Thank you very much.

1067
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 5: I am honored, have a wonderful day. Bye bye.

1068
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: What a great conversation.

1069
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing.

1070
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, again, his career is staggering, the things that he's done.

1071
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 4: It's just and the idea that even with that career,

1072
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 4: he kind of it seems like he kind of still

1073
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: looks at himself as almost a failure, which is straight.

1074
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 3: And you know what, he's just a journeyman. You know,

1075
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: he's just like like when he calls himself an artisan

1076
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 3: and was like, right, because you're never done, like you're

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Speaker 3: always this is about process, this is about acting, this

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Speaker 3: is about learning, like he still wants to learn new

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Speaker 3: skills and new things. That's so cool, man, What a great, healthy,

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Speaker 3: artistic perspective. You know, I'm sure it's led to a

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Speaker 3: lot of periods of you know, difficulty and feeling bad

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Speaker 3: about himself, but ultimately like he's succeeded because he it

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01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what project he's in, he's always going to

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Speaker 3: be doing it, and he's always doing it one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, I also.

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Speaker 4: At a comic con and you know, he he talks

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Speaker 4: about how he you know, he's a little disturbed by

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Speaker 4: the cult like uh, you know, stigma that that surrounds

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Speaker 4: anime and things like that. But I can also tell

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Speaker 4: you just from experience of watching him, he's so good

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Speaker 4: with his fans. I mean, it's one of those things

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Speaker 4: where he's still just so open with everybody that was

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01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 4: waiting in line. Again, he had a line, you know

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Speaker 4: that that's sitting there waiting to talk to him. And

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Speaker 4: so yeah, he might have that internally and he might

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Speaker 4: talk about that, but if you're a fan and you

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 4: go up to him, he's still going to show you

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Speaker 4: just the utmost respect and and you're gonna have a

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Speaker 4: great experience when you when you see him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but like will, like you said it,

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Speaker 1: it uh the the impact his families and and and

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01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: the peers of his parents, that their opinion of him

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01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: is still just so forefront of his mind that it

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Speaker 1: feels like there's a it makes me emotional to think about, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we look at him and his career and

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01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: we're like awe struck by all of like, Wow, look

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Speaker 1: what you've been able to do, Look what you've been

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Speaker 1: able to accomplish. And you can tell that for him,

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Speaker 1: he it does. It's it's I don't know, it just

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Speaker 1: feel if I don't know, it makes me emotional.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting like me, you know, cause I've talked about

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Speaker 3: being friends with Larry Pressman, who's an older actor, and

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Speaker 3: I remember one of the first times talking to him

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Speaker 3: about people he knew, like great actors who were always

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01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: ashamed that they were an actor, and that does seem

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01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 3: like a generational thing, like especially for certain guys of

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01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 3: certain age, like you know that that were acting in

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 3: like the fifties or sixties, it felt like a cheap career,

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Speaker 3: like it felt like you were sort of avoiding a

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Speaker 3: real job by being an actor and by just being

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Speaker 3: a pretty face or you know, like there was an

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Speaker 3: inscution And I remember hearing him say that and being like,

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Speaker 3: oh wow, Like I think I had some of that too,

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Speaker 3: Like I think I was often like, well, I don't

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 3: want to just be an actor, like it just it's

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Speaker 3: something right and it's like, wait a minute, this is

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01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: an amazing thing, like that skill and the ability to

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Speaker 3: do it and like embrace it. So yeah, when I

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: heard him say that, I was like, oh, yeah, you're

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 3: never going to let that go that you didn't you know,

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01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 3: become a doctor or whatever, but in reality what you

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01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: did accomplish is insane. Yeah, Like it's so much like, yeah,

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01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 3: so much more rare. But I do think that nowadays

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Speaker 3: a lot of people, especially people who were listening to

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01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: something like this podcast, you think of actors or acting

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 3: as like automatically just a cool job. I think for

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Speaker 3: other generations and other contexts, it's not. It's actually like

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 3: kind of like being a Carney vaudeville like that's like this,

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01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 3: you know, the superficial job, this like weird thing that

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 3: you do that maybe you'll get lucky, but it's not

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01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 3: a real person's job.

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Speaker 2: As we just lost all of our carneye fans.

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Speaker 3: Sney, I think being a Carney is awesome.

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Speaker 1: I know when we go on our live show and

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: we go on our live show tours, I'll never forget.

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01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember where we were, but there was some

1147
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: some green room that we had that was like really

1148
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: not anything pleasurable, and I was like, oh man, this

1149
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: green room kind of makes me sad that like this

1150
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: is where we are, and writers like, I love it.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're doing.

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 3: We're into some awful, disgusting room and then we make

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Speaker 3: a show.

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Speaker 1: Out we do the ND.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: That's a cool that's a cool way of thinking about it,

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01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: and it has changed the way I feel when I

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01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,959
Speaker 1: walk into a really musty green.

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Speaker 3: I kind of like it. I like they're weird and

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01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 3: like you got these like do you remember that one

1161
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 3: time I couldn't find the coffee machine. It took like

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01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 3: twenty minutes. It was like that whole other warehouse room.

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01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 3: We don't know what it's for.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't want people to think we're we're

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: of under selling what this I mean. I'm truly talking

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Speaker 1: about the dankest.

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.

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01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 3: A lot of backstages they don't care. It's that's the

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01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 3: point is that you care about. You take care of

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Speaker 3: the stage, you take care of the house, the front house,

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 3: but backstage is like it's just terrible.

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Speaker 1: It's just for the some some you know, bugs and

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: very very very bare bones. Feels like maybe an unclean

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01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: hospital space. Uh and so.

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Speaker 2: Wait to do it again. Can't wait and do it again,

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Speaker 2: Carni Folk.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening to this episode of Podmeets World.

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Speaker 3: Podmeets World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 3: Sugarman Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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