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Speaker 1: people that are super duper duper fucked up. I feel

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00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: like a self consciousness, you know, it's it's just I

432
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: feel like I missed out on something or like like

433
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: you read this kind of debauchery, read this kind of

434
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: like like it's been years since I've been in the

435
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: dark room. I think I went in the dark room

436
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: once at Pegasus and like years ago in La after

437
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: we shot Fire Island, because I thought I looked good

438
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like I whatever that

439
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: shoot had like messed with me a little bit. So

440
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: I went and like went off in the dark room

441
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: and I had fun. And now it feels like that

442
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: would be harder to do so for lots of reasons.

443
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: And so that was like it made me read it

444
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: and be like, oh man, like this this culture, this

445
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: like Bacchanall type vibe, like maybe there is something to

446
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: it that I'm not a part of it. It did

447
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: it hit on something in me.

448
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: Was the Bacchanal episode of looking also something that really

449
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 2: made you look?

450
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: In word, I don't really think about looking anymore. Maybe

451
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: I should. Maybe maybe it would be a good Maybe

452
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: that would be a good time, So like it might

453
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: be a good reward.

454
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: Looking is a great rewatch I started it I'm not

455
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: finished it, but I did it about like six months ago,

456
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: and I was like, great show, Like again, like this

457
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: is not this is not the gay life that I live.

458
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: But hhmm, interesting little anthropological study. And in terms of

459
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: like Stephen using or coining this Buddha Judge thing, like

460
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: because you love that way too, right, sure, sure, but

461
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm not like and and like there is something like

462
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: that agitates in that sense that like I think in

463
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: purpose is sure and so, but this is also a

464
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: thing where like these distinctions and this kind of like

465
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: these separations have existed in the community.

466
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: For like it's already, it's already there.

467
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: He's just kind of labeling this phenomenon that's already happening,

468
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: has happened since the beginning of like gay tribalism and

469
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: like this like the seventies, like like I do wonder

470
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: like what life like right, like as like the matticking

471
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: society started or whatever, like the time when like queer

472
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: people were really together it seemed or no, that's not

473
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: even true because when we were in Marsha's biography I'm

474
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: written by Tourmaline, it's like Marsha p Jon's biography, It's like, oh, no,

475
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: I guess back then they were there was there's still

476
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: this like class divides and racial divides in the gay community.

477
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I was just I was about to

478
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: like wax fictional nostalgic. I'm like, oh, there must have

479
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: been a time when like we were all on the

480
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: same level. And no, I mean, that's just that's just

481
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: the human condition. It's like we can't ever totally congeal

482
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: and coalesce. It's like these ways of like differentiating ourselves

483
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 2: from each other are just going to exist no matter what.

484
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know, I think I'm I'm really

485
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: cheesy and most lately where I'm like.

486
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: Other people are always got not to be all fleabag.

487
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: But it's like communities like the ale to like the

488
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: nihilism that we feel these days.

489
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: It's like other people are all we've got period. Yeah,

490
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And I guess in terms of this

491
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: idea that maybe there was a time when the queer

492
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: canmunity was more whole and could you know, directly collaborate

493
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: with each other. I think we can, but it is

494
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: through discourse like this, it's less like we all can

495
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: acknowledge that there's a problem and we're all going to

496
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: move to fix it in a certain way. I think

497
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: the way that and why I think this piece is

498
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: net good. The way that we stay connected to each

499
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: other and understand each other is by communicating, and so

500
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: in that way, I think the piece is a big

501
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: win because we're talking about this thing that we can

502
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: all agree exists. And I think when people can start

503
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: getting real about the way not only the article makes

504
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: them feel, because the article is a symptom of what's

505
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: going on in the culture, but actually asking yourself how

506
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: you feel about this type of thing and why it

507
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: makes you feel that way. Maybe that's like an overthrapized

508
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: way of going about it. But lately I'm in my

509
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: efforts to become a better communicator, which I'm actively trying

510
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: to do this year, I'm always thinking, like, Okay, if

511
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: I feel angry about something, it probably means I feel

512
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: like threatened, sad, like like there's there's another emotion here.

513
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: And so some of the angrier responses I saw, one

514
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: of which was like I didn't even understand one word

515
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: of what this said. It's like you did, you did

516
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: understand what it was like like, And so instead of

517
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: dismissing it, and acting like it's something like how does

518
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: it make you feel? Like? And that's there's something useful

519
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: in that.

520
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. Sorry, I'm lenneing on my lips anyway,

521
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: give it a read.

522
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: Have we reached Pete Gay's Lightiness by Stephen Phillips, horse

523
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: Man's Best Friend by Syriena Carpenter Make you feel?

524
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: It made me feel again, like ambiently interesting, like I

525
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: just put on the blood orange job.

526
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: This is.

527
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: This is my general take. It's just music right now? Yeah,

528
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: where are the hooks? I know who can save us?

529
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: Demitria Devon Lovado.

530
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: We know she's gonna come save of us now. Honestly,

531
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: I do agree with you, Like when I was listening

532
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: to the album and I love Sabrina and this is

533
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: and this is this is a Subrina house. I love Manchild,

534
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: I love the man Child video. Was super excited for

535
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: this album and I enjoyed the album. I think it's

536
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: a great album. It felt to me like the creation

537
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: of this was something different than the creation of Short

538
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: and Sweet, Like Short and Sweet feels to me engineered

539
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: for pop domination like that, to me feels like we

540
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: created an album all bangers, Like you know, there was

541
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: something about espresso that announced her and then please Please

542
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: Please coming, and it was just to me that album

543
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: was had the goal of making her the pop superstar

544
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: that she is, and then I did, yeah, absolutely, and

545
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: then I feel Man's best friend coming so soon on

546
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: the heels of it did surprise me. But I think

547
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: that she is similar to Taylor Swift and that she

548
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: comes from a school of thought which is feed your audience,

549
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: and she's got a hungry audience and she was able

550
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: to keep creating and so she did, and she made

551
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: what I feel is a very like sonically cohesive piece

552
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: of work with you know, only a few people. She

553
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: said that it felt like they were writing it as

554
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: a band. I almost feel like it would have been

555
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: cool for her to do like Sabrina Carpenter and the

556
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Blank Blank Blanks and release it as an album like

557
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: as a band, because it does feel like it was

558
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: made like in a different as in like a capsule,

559
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: in like a different way. And so when I'm listening

560
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: to it, I don't hear a lot of hits, but

561
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I do you hear something that feels like a sonic

562
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: step forward and a vocal step forward lyrically, I think

563
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: maybe I'm interested to see the next thing she wants

564
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: to say, but I enjoy the album.

565
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: I think releasing this so soon after Short and Sweet,

566
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: and even Short and Sweet had like a reup with.

567
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: The extended version of it, I think this is just

568
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: part of the play where she is adding another dimension

569
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: to her as an artist, because I think because this

570
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: like ascent to pop superstardom was so quickly achieved even

571
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: before Shorten Speak came out, it was done like espresso,

572
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: like Catapult.

573
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Man's Best Friend. I think is just

574
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: like adding another like I said, dimension to this, to

575
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: the way like the public sees Sabrina Carpenter were just

576
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: like okay, like really complex songwriter, not always chasing the hook.

577
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: And when I was saying where the hooks earlier, I'm

578
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: just saying, like, that's this is what I miss currently.

579
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: I feel like we've been in a desert of hooks.

580
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: But I think I agree with you. I think it's

581
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: a great album. I think I my favorite right now

582
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: is Don't Worry I'll make You Worry because it sounds

583
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: like this father John Misty song and like she's I

584
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: think she's doing the thing that she was even doing

585
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: in short and set where it's like, let me put

586
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: on different genre hats, inspiration influence hats. And I think

587
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: I think I don't think she was just setting out

588
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: to do a shortened suite follow up in the sense of.

589
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Like pop pop pop pop pop pop pop. Yeah. No,

590
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: I think like the positive reaction to Coincidence on the

591
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: first album seemed to open a door here for her,

592
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: because I remember she said Coincidence almost didn't make the

593
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: first album, and then I think she said her mom

594
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: liked it a lot and really fought for it, and

595
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: she had people on her team that were like fans

596
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: of it, and so it made it and then became

597
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: such a fan favorite that I think it's like a

598
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: super exciting direction for her to go. And also slim

599
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: Pickens seems to be an impulse that she was following,

600
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: which is this sort of like seventies sort of pop

601
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Dolly parton with a little Abba thrown in there, very retro.

602
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: I think my favorite track is track five, We Almost

603
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Broke Up Again last Night, Like, I just love her

604
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: melody on this song, and I do think her singing

605
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: is the best it's ever been. I also like Nobody's

606
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: Son and never getting laid. There's like moments in this

607
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: where I'm like really blown away by what she's done,

608
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: and then there's moments where I'm like, Okay, this feels

609
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: just a little bit redundant from the first album. And

610
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: usually those moments are when we're making sex jokes. That

611
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: that's usually when I feel like that.

612
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: I keep going back and forth on the innuendo double

613
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: entendra thing with her, because at the end of the day,

614
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: if you go back to the earliest comedy, like earliest

615
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: comedy like Aristophane shit, like Greek old comedy five BC,

616
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: they were just.

617
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: Making sex jokes.

618
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: It's like, this is just like there's no there's no

619
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: such thing as like, oh, like we're culturally derelict if

620
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: we're all we're doing is like, you know, innuendo. It's

621
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: like that's not I need to, like I think people

622
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: should also maybe I don't know, like figure that out.

623
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: Is this another article about p K seluttiness. It's like, what,

624
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: like what is this?

625
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

626
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: Sex makes us feel very specific, complicated things, and I

627
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: think this is just a borschack test. I'm gonna say,

628
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter making with all little jokes about like tears

629
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: streamed down my thighs is a borshack test, it's an

630
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: ink blot.

631
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: I guess that's my thing too, is I'm like the

632
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: intense reaction towards it this time, which does and by

633
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: the way, like it's crazy how quickly people can react

634
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: to music. I thought this about Torch and Poets. I'm like, wow,

635
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: people are really sure they don't like this, and they

636
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: just immediately happened before it even came out on tip Top,

637
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: when it like kind oflyked like an hour before, like

638
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: the response from Stay accounts, so like Sabrina stand accounts

639
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: were like, we don't like it. It's like, well, wait

640
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: a minute, this is your girl, and also give it

641
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: give it a dare to ge. Yeah, you haven't listened

642
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: to it probably. I mean I even see it because

643
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: we know some of these people who react quickly and

644
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: they'll listen to thirty seconds of a song and be

645
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: like it's the flop era and I'm like, you have

646
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: to stop like it. And so I do think that

647
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: a lot of that is like unfairly informing a lot

648
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: of people's reactions and also the way they feel defensive

649
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: about it, like this is a great album. It really

650
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: is like I don't think that Sabrina and Co, particularly

651
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: this co, are capable of like bad work. I will

652
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: say I do understand the reaction to some of the

653
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: innuendos because I just don't think a lot of the

654
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: innuendo here is as effective as as it was on

655
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: the first album. Like I'm Gonna let You make Me

656
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: Juno is one thing. It's it makes it makes me laugh,

657
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: it makes me think, it surprises me, whereas Tears run

658
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: down my thighs is just a little bit more of

659
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: a reach, you know. So I also think it's like

660
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: people reacted to that element of her album in a

661
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: really enthusiastic positive way the first time, because it's possible

662
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: that just you know, maybe tears run down my thighs

663
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't work.

664
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: As well as the other one. I'm not saying tears

665
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: run down my thighs doesn't work. I'm saying maybe the

666
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: response to this is as we can relate to like

667
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: this theory of the abject, to like revulsion to like

668
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: don't talk about liquids and holes. I think absolutely, I

669
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: think that's what I think. That is maybe what it

670
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: also comes down to. It's like, Okay, people don't want

671
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: to hear about butt secks when gay men allude.

672
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: To it, got it?

673
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: And I guess people don't want to hear about pussy

674
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: juice or com or whatever you know.

675
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: Like yeah, for me, I can't get enough of quality

676
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: pussy juice talk. I just love this stuff. I love

677
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I love it. I don't think either of us are

678
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: shy at all when she gets super vulgar or you know,

679
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: she's making like these types of jokes. I think it's

680
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: funny people are allowed to think. Of course, the quality

681
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: of this one just doesn't match the first one. That

682
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: can be their opinion. For me, tears, it might just

683
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: be lean a little too hard on the irony sure

684
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: in terms of the quality though, And like whether or

685
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: not people are allowed to think that, Yes, I agree,

686
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: I think also, and I someone on tick Top and

687
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: this is not me making the comparison.

688
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: Someone on tech Deic was making comparison between Man's Best

689
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: Friend and Torture Poets about how these are albums that

690
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: didn't need to necessarily be good because they are, as

691
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: you said earlier, feeding the audience. And she was contrasting

692
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: that with Conan Gray's album and with Audrey Hobert's album

693
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: where this is. These are two songwriters who I think

694
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: Conan wrote three hundred songs for the album and it

695
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: got paired down to twelve, and I think Audrey no

696
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: doubt wrote some crazy a songwriter.

697
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: First Trap is the moment of that album for me, Okay,

698
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: are you have you finally gotten down? Yes? I think

699
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: it's amazing And it's just like I'm also so I'm

700
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: realizing now more and more she is like a pioneer

701
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: of a certain like style and songwriting. And I'm super

702
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: happy that she put out a solo record because she

703
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: should get to be a part of this discussion the

704
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: caliber of songwriter and singer and performance pop star. Her

705
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: videos are really good.

706
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: I think we're we're not talking enough about, like talk

707
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: about a cohesive vocabulary visually, like.

708
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: The Clown is so is so great? Like the Clown,

709
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: the clown being everywhere? Who's the clown? Like you're like

710
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm the clown?

711
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: I guess like all all of these songs on this

712
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: album are about her speaking and externalizing these thoughts that

713
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: we all have but can never really put to words,

714
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: much less to music. The way that she talks about

715
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: like this feeling of should I go to the party.

716
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: I'm at the party and I don't really like it,

717
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: But what if I did something like, you know, like

718
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: or like the uber ride home from the party, or

719
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: like the feeling of like bumming into your ass. Like

720
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: it's all these specific yet somewhat universal things that like,

721
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, she does what all great songwriters and

722
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: writers do, which is just to like capture it and

723
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: like let the muse kind of moved through her. But

724
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: it's thematically it's all so sharp and like I think

725
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: this person on TikTok was making the distinction between those

726
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: albums and an album like Man's Best Friend and Tortured Poets. Again,

727
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: their comparison not mine. Where it's like it gets to be.

728
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: They have earned the.

729
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Privilege after the Imperial phase.

730
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: I guess you could say the same for art pop

731
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: maybe where it's like you get to you know, an

732
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: artist like that wants to be a little chaotic and

733
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: a little a little like just trade a little bit

734
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: like I'm just throwing everything against the wall and it

735
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter if it sticks or not, because guess

736
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: what this is. This is just I've done the thing

737
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: where I've put out all killer, no filler.

738
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a little bit what it is,

739
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: and or at least I think and it would make

740
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: sense to me, like Sabrina earned an album where it

741
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: feels like you put it on front to back and

742
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: it feels like it had the goal of like moving

743
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: her forward musically really indulging in this genre. Also, did

744
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: you see do you think it was a response to

745
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: that idea when Taylor said on the New Heights podcast

746
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: my goals with Tortured Poets were strictly lyrical. Oh, I

747
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: don't know, like you think like she's that's her way

748
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: of First of all, I think Tortured Poets is what

749
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: I said it was, which was a fantastic album at

750
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: the beginning. I do think people reacted too quickly. I

751
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: do think that now you're now seeing people come around

752
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: to it, like I mean, yeah and so and by

753
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: the way, like we've done this, like we do this

754
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: a lot. But I'm trying to be a little bit

755
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: more patient than my first listens and not listen to

756
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: the chorus of people thirty seven and into Fortnite being

757
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: like this is a flop. It's like it's just not

758
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: it's just not that kind of song that's maybe going

759
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: to hit for you right away, and I do think

760
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: we could have more patience when we first hear this stuff,

761
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It was just interesting to me

762
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: that she went out of her way in teeing up

763
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: The Life of a Showgirl to be like, my goals

764
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: with Tortured Poets were lyrical, whereas this album is twelve tracks.

765
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: You're not getting any more. It is twelve bangers. And

766
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: she literally goes it's like that, you know, she listed

767
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: her songs that she's done with Max Martin. It made

768
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: tears run down my thighs oh, and I basically was like, yeah,

769
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a fucking bang fest. Whereas Tortured

770
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: Poets she seems to call out her own indulgence in

771
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: the songwriting, which I don't know if it's like she's

772
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: not calling out her indulgence, she's just making the distinction

773
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: that songwriters have where either I'm going to focus it

774
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: purely on the melodies and the hooks or and not

775
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: that like these two things can't coincide, or I get

776
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: to as a songwriter, as someone who's put out great work,

777
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: I get to have I get to write thirty one

778
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: songs that are meandering and I don't even exactly and

779
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't even say indulgence in a negative way. I

780
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: guess I'm just saying like she's like, she's calling out

781
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: there were thirty one songs on that project. She's like,

782
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: I had a lot to say. I was feeling a

783
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: lot because of a situation where I was, you know,

784
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: very aggressively love bombed, and you know, at a time

785
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: when I was already feeling a lot, I had to

786
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: get out what I wanted to say. And so my

787
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: goals were that album, which I feel I achieved, were

788
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: lyrical because as you know, there were a lot of lyrics,

789
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: whereas this she seems to contrast brevity, and I don't

790
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: think it's dissimilar to Sabrina, who I think was like, Yeah,

791
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: I was this pop hit girl on Short and Sweet

792
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: and I proved that. And now here's me and my

793
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: like cool project that I did in a short period

794
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: of time because I felt like I was on a roll.

795
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: It's classic thing, one for you, one for them, and

796
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: guess what on the Tortured Poets note, guess what. I'm

797
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: still waking up humming to myself the Alchemist.

798
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: I love the Alchemists. People still sleep on the Alchemist.

799
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, so, don't be around me when I

800
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: look through people's windows. Comes on, don't be around me.

801
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: Don't be around me. It's not safe. I'll be looking

802
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: through people's windows. You be looking and you know it.

803
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: Wait, you know and you know you know you It

804
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: just occurred to me what to go back to the Alchemist?

805
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: First of all, great hook on.

806
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: So when I touchdown, called the amateurs and cut them

807
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: from the team. Then but then these blokes warm the

808
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: benches leaving on a witting street. She jokes that it's.

809
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: But then calling them blokes. Oh my god, she she

810
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: just cleared. She just cleared fucking all of these British boys.

811
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: She cleared all of them all out. And Australia too.

812
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: You're not safe, ye yeah, yeah yeah, speaking of Australiavor babe.

813
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: Last wait what I hear? The gameplay is great. I

814
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: have not watched the season. I'm gonna send you away.

815
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: You can watch it, Okay. What people are not understanding

816
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: right now is that you, if you want, you can

817
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: fully watch Poverty and Surree Survivor on a new season

818
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: that you've never seen, and it is just as good

819
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: as you want. It is wish fulfillment, Peak, Imperial Phase Survivor.

820
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: This is so for the fans, and it's extra good

821
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: if you did watch the Australian Survivor, which is phenomenal.

822
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: I hate to say it. They're just they're producing a

823
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: much better show than they do here in America, much better. Less,

824
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: I hear less advantages.

825
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: Less, way less yeah, yeah, yeah, just idols and that's

826
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: it basically.

827
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: First of all, can I say two tribes, seven on

828
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: each tribe? So you're kind of immediately getting into it

829
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: way less advantages. Certainly, there's idols there. There are an

830
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: advantage here and there, but you don't have to like, oh,

831
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to like it's not an arduous mental

832
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: process to watch the show and you really care because

833
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: this social gameplay is forefront. Yeah, and this is the

834
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: way you do in All Star season. You don't overwhelm

835
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: from the top. It's just it's also the episodes are

836
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: a little The thing is they're not longer though, they

837
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: just feel longer, but in a good way, like it

838
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: just feels you're just I don't know, you're just able

839
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: to marint it in a more and the challenges don't

840
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: feel as repetitive like you recognize them, but I don't know.

841
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: It just feels like we're too by the numbers and

842
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: American Survivor right now and too careful.

843
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: Well, there's just more numbers on servict every season there's

844
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: they just keep adding more numbers. Maybe in terms of

845
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: the shall I say, gimmicks of the show when it

846
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: does become perfect word you used arduous to watch now,

847
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the last season.

848
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: By the way, we always have fun because it can

849
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: be arduous. Because if I'm going to watch a show

850
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: that's arduous, like that can be the one. I like

851
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: it. It's just, you know, it's borderline right. You're describing this

852
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: and it sounds so refreshing. I must watch.

853
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: The fact that Parvety Shallow and Suryfields are on TV

854
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: together at the same together is.

855
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: World news and why are we not? And I also

856
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: have to say, what's extra? Like, I don't think jarring

857
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: is the word. It's more just it's surreal. They look

858
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: the same. Oh, they look the same as I did

859
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: in micron Asia. I'm like, not either of them have aged.

860
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: And they're also competing at the challenges at a really

861
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: high level. These women are beasts, yes, they're so good

862
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: at it. The mix of characters is great. It's shaping

863
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: up to be and I'm not alone in this. Like

864
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the diehard like international Survivor

865
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: community are watching this and feeling really excited because suffice

866
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: to say, without without spoiling, you're not facing the problem

867
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: that you face with like Winners at War or other

868
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: all star seasons where the obvious targets are out first,

869
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: that is happening, but in a season where everyone is

870
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: clearly an obvious target, it kind of falls away and

871
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm just happy. Last night it felt like it felt

872
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: like the pandemic again because I'm sitting on this couch

873
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: in La eating. Oh bitch, I am a lump. I

874
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: ordered Postmates three times. You know how high I was

875
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: like watching Parvity in Surrey, like what the next move? Like,

876
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, is it two thousand and twenty?

877
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: Amazing feeling to be transported for a new thing to

878
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: transport you in time, Like entertainment marketers take note, this

879
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: is the feeling you that can accomplish. This is the

880
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: thing that can accomplish that feeling, rather than like a

881
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: reboot of something, it's like, which is I guess we're

882
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: saying like a reboot, like bringing two alums back to

883
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: Survivor in a different setting is kind of a reboot.

884
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: But like this is all you need. I got to

885
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: tell you, Parvity is fascinating, like when we met Parv

886
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: like all those years ago, because we turned on the

887
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: channel and she turned by the way, you see that

888
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: become a meme, like her turning around on the boat,

889
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: like the very first time she was Everyone Survivor and

890
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: she was asked about it, she was like, of course

891
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: I knew I was on TV and I was going

892
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: to give that look like of course. But when we

893
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: met her as like you know, when she was on

894
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: this podcast, Yes, it almost felt like a different total

895
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: vibe of person. Now to see her like restored, like

896
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: the mature way to like who who she was back then,

897
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 1: it's thrilling. Well, can we say so something happened quote

898
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: unquote between her being on those culturalistess where she acknowledged

899
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: to us that we were and I'm gonna give a

900
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: lot of credit to you that we were the people

901
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: to bring her back into gay culture. But I'm giving

902
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm giving you know that, and I'm but I'm saying

903
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: something happened between that episode and when she came and

904
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: shot this promo for the Culture Wards for US last

905
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: year YEP, where we did a whole Traders tribute and

906
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: she showed up and that was the first time I

907
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: had met her in person, and I turned to and

908
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, I get it, like

909
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: I get you do. I get why she is who

910
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: she is and why she's so iconic. She just has

911
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: that like, oh my god, Like what's it. Like, I'm

912
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with you and which makes you mean cool, which

913
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: makes you mutually obsessed with her. You're like, wait, I

914
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: need her.

915
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: It's like it's not a red flag in terms of

916
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: like and again I'm not saying it's this. It's not

917
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: like a narcissistic behavior. It's like a thing where it's

918
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: like someone who's just pleasantly magnetic. But that's all it is.

919
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: And then she and I went to rosco Is in

920
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: LA and the night of the Culture Awards airing. Oh

921
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: my god, yes, surpriably and like we got to hang

922
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: out and I'm just like, her vibe is perfection.

923
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: She's great.

924
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: She's a good hang She was there with like one

925
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: girl from Dealer No deal Island and fun like just

926
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: just like just like just a fun group of like

927
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: hot lesbians, like just all there and just we were

928
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: all having a blast.

929
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, Parvety shallow again and not for nothing,

930
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: not that like when I'm not to reinforce this, but

931
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: it's just crazy that she does not look different from

932
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. She does not. She does not. And

933
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: also you see it happening. You like, what's so great

934
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: about the show is even like her and Suri truly

935
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: verify air because even these people on the show that

936
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: have like earned their spot on this international edition Survivor,

937
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: they are so gagged for Syrian Parv. And you can

938
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: see people who otherwise are playing good strategic games unencumbered

939
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: and you know, untethered to other people. The second Surian

940
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: Parv come in, they're like, well, obviously I want to

941
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: play with Suri and Parv, so I'm gonna do what

942
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: they want to do. I'm just like, you aren't giving

943
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: away the agency immediately, unique they don't have to, they

944
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. Nope. It's like years ago

945
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: when Boston Rob won the show. Boston Rob won the show,

946
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 1: it was like I think it was called Redemption Island

947
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: or something or whatever is something. It was like season

948
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: twenty is twenty four to twenty three whatever he came back,

949
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: and the way he was brought in and the way

950
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: he yeah, has this sort of gilded energy. They just

951
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: rolled over and he won, and he won very handily.

952
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: It is not unlike the thing even someone like Dylan Ephron,

953
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: who that's someone who walks into a room and people

954
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: are like, I'll do whatever that persons some people have Gabby,

955
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: But for Dylan to feel that way about Boston Rob

956
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: on Traders was also like, yeah, that tells you everything

957
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: you need to know about Boston. Rob And I think

958
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: was culture words tonight that Dylan and poverty were in

959
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: the same space. Obviously, No was that I don't know

960
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: I've heard before, but certainly, certainly there were a lot

961
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: of people in that room where I was like, Okay,

962
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: if we if we got if we got Andy in

963
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: a camera right now, we can make something happen.

964
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: Look not not not not to not to jerk ourselves off.

965
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: But I'm still over here like a month later, like

966
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: I can't believe if that happened, that we did them

967
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: And take you.

968
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: To everyone who came and everyone who watched period Okay,

969
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: let's go moving on, Okay, moving on. We attended the

970
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: may M ball Tony for Lady Gaga.

971
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: Now let her cut the line no, no, you know

972
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: she's getting it eventually Like that was. I don't even

973
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: mind the fact that it was like, Okay, this is

974
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: basically no whatever. No, That's the beauty of it, the

975
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: fact that she turned Shallow into an Andrew Lloyd Webber song,

976
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: just even in the arrangement and obviously in like the

977
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: staging of it where she's on like the gondola of

978
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: the canoe, like incredible.

979
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we are going again, well already, so what's

980
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: going again? Already? We had say I had seen the

981
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: art of Personal Chaos twice at a Coachella and from

982
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: two different advantage points, going again, the improvements that she made,

983
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: it really feels like she sat down and she was like, Okay,

984
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: how can we even further clarify this story and what

985
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say? And she still was able to

986
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: do some fan service with the songs that she brought in.

987
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, justice for art pop obviously. Maybe one of

988
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: my favorite moments is now applause even moving how bad

989
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: do you want me to? The encore that felt right,

990
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: Like all the change that she made from the original

991
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: feels like it clarified what she was trying to say

992
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: as a performer. I don't know if the changes that

993
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: she made made it easier for her or more difficult

994
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: for her as a performer, but I think it didn't matter,

995
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: because all she wanted to do was find a way

996
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: to tell this story she's telling better this opera. And

997
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: she did that, and just the way that she needn't

998
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: had changed anything, no, and yet still wanted it to

999
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: be better, made this even better, made it even better.

1000
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: How bad do you want me? Rolling?

1001
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: As the end credits, Really good for a show that

1002
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: is about like the her own duality, her interior sort

1003
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: of like struggle like between like the mayhem in her mind,

1004
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: like this chaos that she's been sort of I don't know,

1005
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: like maybe she's like held her whole life, but now

1006
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: it's finally like reckoning with like that versus the person

1007
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: that she is on the surface or to the public.

1008
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 2: This is something I think that is extremely relatable to everyone,

1009
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: Like it makes you think about your own let's say,

1010
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: mayhem m hm. And then for her to like triumphantly

1011
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: do a victory lap to a song that still puts

1012
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: it to the audience or to a second person, like

1013
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: how bad do you want me? Not not like how

1014
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: badly do you want me? But how bad?

1015
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: How about? How like? How g how edgy? Evil? Whatever

1016
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: do you want me to be? That's such a fun play.

1017
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: She was she was supposed to like, I mean like

1018
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: by the end of the show.

1019
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: Not to spoil it, but like, you know, these two

1020
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: things are reconciled in her right and like they love

1021
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: each other, like the Mayhem and like and herself are

1022
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: like one.

1023
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: They're loud. My favorite part.

1024
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: We are monsters and monsters never ever die.

1025
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: Iconic. She's my favorite girl. I love her. I would

1026
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: do anything for her. I know, honey, I love her

1027
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: so much. I know, Lady Gaga forever.

1028
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: She inspires me. To this day, I wrote down things

1029
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: in my notes. I was like, Okay, I want to

1030
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: do something at some point in my career where this happens,

1031
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: Where this happens, Where this happens. Look at how she's

1032
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: still implanting ideas and concepts into everyone's minds here, both

1033
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: in the room at Madison Square or across the world.

1034
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: Everyone's watching. I mean, this is this is one of

1035
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: the best concerts I've ever been to. Period. I'm sorry,

1036
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: and it's absolutely question, top top three, top two, maybe

1037
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: number without question, I mean, And so it's it's we've

1038
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: been so spoiled by the live experiences lately. Yes, and

1039
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: they're incomparable. But that being said, this is the pop

1040
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: music moment of the year. Like Mayhem set out all

1041
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: of it. You know, the Grammy's voting window, not voting windows,

1042
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: eligibility window just closed, in fact two days ago, so

1043
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: August thirtieth was the last day. And looking at everything,

1044
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's gonna be as competitive

1045
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: and exciting a year as last year when you look

1046
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: at like the pop acts. But that doesn't matter because

1047
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: even in a crowded year, Mayhem would stand out. This

1048
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: is a fully committed to no holds barred look back

1049
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: and look forward for her. You know, it's brought everything

1050
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: that has made her special and put it into one show.

1051
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: It is the theatrics, it is the daring, it is

1052
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: the sheer excellence on stage when it comes to performance

1053
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: and execution. It is a nod to what an icon

1054
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: she is and what a hero she remains. Yeah, it

1055
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: is it is her income conversation with herself. The themes

1056
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: have remained not you know, exclusively consistent, but you know

1057
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: enough to call them themes in her career, the obviously,

1058
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: the darkness and the light, the dance as salvation. You know,

1059
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: it is all so beautifully realized, performed, executed bus another

1060
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: club at.

1061
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: Yes period, beautifully said. And guess what if the category

1062
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: is dance or die and if monsters never die, I

1063
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: guess there's only one choice, isn't there You have to dance.

1064
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: What you've been saying, would've been saying, I just yes,

1065
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: she she just.

1066
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: She fucking I say this literally, she rules, she rules,

1067
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 2: she does rule, she rules me, she rules. I'm gonna say,

1068
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: she rules the culture.

1069
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: This is we needed this, Yeah, we needed this. Oh

1070
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: can you imagine if this, if this year had been

1071
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: without the Mayhem era, can you imagine it would have

1072
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: really felt different? And also, you know what I almost did,

1073
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: so Christmas is coming, I'm not doing this so I

1074
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: feel like I can announce I almost did the Christmas

1075
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: Ball and I almost did it like in a Mayhem style.

1076
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing something else because I was like, nah, I

1077
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: can't fully do that because I about the concept and

1078
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: I like it I didn't want to do, but it

1079
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: was close because there's a part of me and I

1080
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: feel like we did do this with the Cultural Awards,

1081
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: So I do feel like we've nodded to it enough.

1082
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: But there's a part of me. That's why I get

1083
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: Sabrina with her references and her passion for what inspires her,

1084
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: because it's a part of me that's just like I want,

1085
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: And it's almost like in service to the artist herself.

1086
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: It's like, you know that we're this obsessed with you, right,

1087
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: But I feel like we've made it clear enough. She knows,

1088
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: she knows, I'm so excited for the tour. Well, I yeah,

1089
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: say much more yet. Yeah, maybe maybe in a few

1090
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: weeks that'll start feeling a little chillier in here. We

1091
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: can announce more, should we do? I don't think so. Honey.

1092
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: Do you have any other things that you absolutely have

1093
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: to get off your rust or can we go quick?

1094
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: Things that I must address?

1095
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: Great season in Miami and skip this if you hate Housewives,

1096
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: Great season in Miami. I do want to say publicly,

1097
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: Stephanie Shojai, you're not for me. I kind of resent

1098
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: that you are a center, couch or center that you

1099
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: were sitting center that you have the Andy c for

1100
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: the reunion. I don't think what you and Alexia have

1101
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: going on this season is that compelling. I think like

1102
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: for her to call you at Chihuahua is not the

1103
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: same thing as you like dangling around your private jet

1104
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: to girls and you you were more disresponsible to Alexia.

1105
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: We are a team Alexia House. We are so whatever

1106
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: team Larsa isn't on.

1107
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: Larsa.

1108
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: Larsa commented on the Little Real that I'm watching it

1109
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: happens live posted of me. I don't think so hunting her,

1110
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: which I stand by. But she was like, whatever, She's

1111
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: just being a fucking loser, lame ass bitch. She was like,

1112
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: I was watching Trump because I wanted to be in

1113
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: the know with the news.

1114
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: Also, I hate your shirt. I'm like, oh, you'll have

1115
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: to do better than that. So anyway, she's just Lisa. Okay, sure,

1116
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: Larsa and then whatever. But I will say that Center

1117
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: couch should have been gritty and Julia. No, absolutely girdy

1118
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: and Julia. But also I want to say that Potomac

1119
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: trailer trailer, by the way, you know who's out. Karen Huger.

1120
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: Karen Huger was actually released. Oh wait, by I think

1121
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: you've been out out of the show. No, she was

1122
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: released early two hours ago. What yes, two hours ago?

1123
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: She was released early. Karen Hugar is out of prison. Okay,

1124
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now you know, Karen Huger committed several

1125
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: she was driving under the influence. It got bad, it

1126
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: got dark, she had a bad accident, and this was

1127
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: not her first infraction in that regard, and so she

1128
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: was sentenced too. I believe it was a year in

1129
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: prison with a year suspended license. She has served six

1130
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: months of that sentence and is now released, which we're

1131
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: thrilled for. Yes, because you know, obviously you know I

1132
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: don't play when it comes to driving under the influence.

1133
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: But you know Karen well, I think I was like

1134
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: watching some interviews and the women were very concerned about

1135
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: how she would do in a setting like that. It's

1136
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: really sad. I'm happy that she's you know, done her

1137
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: time and is free and now hopefully we can get

1138
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: Karen backed because I need.

1139
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: I love to tell this story. We love Karen Hugar,

1140
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: yes and everyone in her family. But know, the Potomac

1141
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: season looks fabulous. Stacey Rush is finally and her words

1142
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: and still and.

1143
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: Still I rise. She looks like like main antagonist. I

1144
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: love it, but I love it no, please, and like

1145
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: Wendy looks amazing. Even Keiana was giving something and I

1146
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: tend to think Kiana never really gives, but look as

1147
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: she was giving in the trailer. Monique Samuels is back.

1148
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: My technical first my co yes on Zoom you were

1149
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: and I was with Candace. Oh my god, yeah, zoom

1150
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: and I did. I did watch. My first watch fors

1151
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: Live was with Karen Yuger. That's right, Oh my god,

1152
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: my first live with Karen. Then I did it again

1153
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: with Candace. You had done it with Monique Bravo. Please,

1154
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: I beg you watch What Happens Live bookers. I would

1155
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: love to be booked with Stacy Rush on the show.

1156
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: Please you have to bowen and Stacey. That has to happen.

1157
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it would be I would be so happy.

1158
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: But also you don't have to.

1159
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure the calendar is full and no, I honestly listen.

1160
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm I got a Christmas store. I'd love to come back.

1161
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 1: So I will say when I do go and watch

1162
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: What Happens Live, I do find that the I don't

1163
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: think of My Housewives opinions as being controversial, and then

1164
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: I have to like somehow that it gets interpreted that

1165
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: way or whatever, Like people think I have the worst opinions.

1166
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I have bad opinions. I just I'm

1167
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: not a Teresa fan. That's it. I'm entitled to that opinion.

1168
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: The Internet. We're not on this Internet, but the Internet,

1169
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: that's certain. Whatever, Like the Bravo fans are a wide

1170
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: breadth of people, and you do get a lot of

1171
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting sunken souls. Sunken souls is a really,

1172
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: really good way to put it, Like, what is so

1173
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: wrong about my opinions? I don't like Teresa and I

1174
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: don't like Giselle. Like watch the shows, watch the show?

1175
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: Which shows? Are you watch it? They're intolerable human beings.

1176
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: It's like clown braid along with Stephanie Shojai.

1177
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: Sorry, okay, I just had to bring let's do I

1178
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: don't think so money?

1179
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: All right? This is I don't think so honey. This

1180
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: is a one minute segment where we take a little

1181
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: bit of time to enjoy the view. Yeah yeah, right.

1182
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: What we do is we knock something down in culture

1183
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: that's standing upright, and we don't like it. So this

1184
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't. I don't think so honey.

1185
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: Okay, this is mant Rodgers. I don't think so honey.

1186
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: As time starts now.

1187
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey that I'm so late to

1188
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: enjoying the US Open. I feel like this is something

1189
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: in my culture that's been missing and lacking. I'm obsessed

1190
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: with the US Open this year. I got to go.

1191
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: I had between four and six honey juices. Who can remember.

1192
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: It's so good, But just the attending US Open culture,

1193
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: the culture around tennis, like I don't give it enough

1194
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: year round. And suddenly I turn around and people are like, oh,

1195
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: we know who Yanick Centner is. We knew that Venus

1196
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: was coming back in double thirty seconds. We have like

1197
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: we know the lore of like Taylor Townsend, et cetera.

1198
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: And I'm so into this cast of characters. It feels

1199
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: like tennis, like modern professional tennis, gives us a cast

1200
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: of characters and I had forgotten about that. So I

1201
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, me and the way I've been.

1202
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: But going forward in the future, I'm gonna be like

1203
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: Lynn Manuel, I'm gonna try to be at as much

1204
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: as of everything as I can be. I'm gonna it's

1205
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna be Lin Manuel, Anna Wintour and Matt Rodgers at

1206
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: every match. If they'll have me, please suck Dick Floren.

1207
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.

1208
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. You heard it here first, he'll

1209
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: suck Dick to be at the Open, I was. I

1210
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: got to go. Mali took Melissa. Yes, great reaction shots

1211
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: from you. Yeah, we were living.

1212
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: I need to ask you something. Sure. My biggest issue

1213
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: with going to Arthur Ash during the Open? How was

1214
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: it leaving? Fine? Really? Oh that's that's been hell for me.

1215
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: I will say this. We were at the night match

1216
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: and we shut it down, like you stayed. A lot

1217
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: of people leave, which felt disrespectful to me. During the

1218
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: second match, like it was like you stay with the

1219
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: whole thing. So we were watching alcaraz One and by

1220
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: the way, he is a fine specimen. Peep feel hard,

1221
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: peep people feel good good. Yeah. Anyway, So then the

1222
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: second match was happening and everyone had left, so Melissa

1223
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: and I were just jamming. We were having honey juices,

1224
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: we were we were vibing and so then because we

1225
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: were last to leave, so maybe that's why. But I

1226
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: had such an amazing time there.

1227
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: No, it's so fun. My only complaint, it's not a

1228
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: real one. It's just leaving his hell, but.

1229
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: Anything.

1230
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 2: Arthur ash that that the first time I had ever

1231
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: heard about the sy op now known as the viral

1232
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: Dubi chocolate. It was Matt Whitaker and I were there

1233
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: last year for I think women's semi finals and their quarterfinals,

1234
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: and then someone comes over, someone I lovely gentleman comes

1235
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 2: over and goes, have you tried the viral due by

1236
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: chocolate yet? And we're like, what's that? Well here, and

1237
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: we we're like, oh, this is pretty good. Well it's

1238
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 2: the viral due by chocolate. Oh okay, I hadn't heard

1239
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: that before. So it's it's viral. Yes, it's the viral

1240
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: due by chocolate. And now it's like a fucking like

1241
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 2: internet punchline, right, it's.

1242
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: Like vile due by chocolate, La boo boo bubball.

1243
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: It's like it's like I just know that this the

1244
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: gibberish that is now occupying all of our collective consciousness, Like,

1245
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: have you.

1246
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: Had the violtry by chocolate? No? Have you ever had

1247
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: it vile due by chocolate? Yes, okay, I have to

1248
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: try that on air. You will have to try the

1249
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: viol due by chocolate in air? Are you going today? Going? No?

1250
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: Tomorrow and Thursday? Gretas, You're going with Greta right, she's

1251
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: going so excited. I'm so excited. Yeah, it was a

1252
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: total sligh blast. I loved going and I love tennis

1253
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: and I might take a lesson.

1254
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I think you absolutely should.

1255
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: Let's move. Okay, this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.

1256
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: Is he ready? I think so? This? Yeah, I think okay,

1257
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: this is pangs. I don't think so many as time starts.

1258
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: Now, I don't think so, honey, Mother Goose, where are

1259
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: the geese in the stories and the rhymes? You are

1260
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 2: weird for making your whole thing goose, goose, goose when

1261
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: I don't see a goose?

1262
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: You up?

1263
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: Maybe there is the poem old mother Goose when she

1264
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 2: wanted to wander would ride through the air on a

1265
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: very fine gander. That doesn't rhyme with wander. And also

1266
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: if you're riding on a gander, does that mean you're

1267
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: fucking the ganders? This is and this is getting weird,

1268
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: mother goose, Like, I don't know what your fucking deal

1269
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 2: is and I don't know where you I don't know

1270
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 2: what you smoked or what shrooms you IMBII. You munch

1271
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 2: dn to come up with three little pigs with puss

1272
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 2: and boot sifteen seconds, little Red riding her the wolf,

1273
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: dressing up in grandma's clothing, animal doing old woman drag,

1274
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: no agist, I don't like any of this. I think

1275
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: he might be I think if the story is you're

1276
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: actually a goose hiding and pretending to be a human,

1277
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: that's a scandal and you should be more honest about that.

1278
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I think we can all agree

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Speaker 1: that mother Goose, it's getting weird. Real culture number sixty, Mother,

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Speaker 1: mother Goose, it's getting weird.

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Speaker 2: We heard you know I was today. I just out

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Speaker 2: of now her laughed at sure. I weightfield classic of

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Speaker 2: whatever happened to customers?

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Speaker 1: My service? Hi, my name is? Whatever happened to you? Hello?

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Speaker 1: How are you? How are you? My name? My name is?

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Speaker 1: What did you think of of the of the performance?

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Speaker 1: I definitely thought it was done. It was fun.

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Speaker 2: I like to be like to be so she is

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Speaker 2: she on the show, not on the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm excited, I'm really excited about the

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Speaker 1: upcoming Salt Lake and Potomac Era because I feel like,

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Speaker 1: at best those are the best, and I'm just not

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Speaker 1: I'm not connecting with It's okay, it's okay, but we're

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Speaker 1: we we all give them a chance and we okay,

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Speaker 1: well this is this is a fabulous episode. I feel

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Speaker 1: this was a fabulous episode. And we forgot to mention

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Speaker 1: that your girl's going on tour, is going on tour.

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Speaker 1: I said, come over before after Barclay's I'm right over there.

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Speaker 1: You'd be really local. No, she was like, I'm coming.

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Speaker 1: It was like, great, I'm coming. I'm coming. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that'll be really fun. Well, in honor of that announcement,

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Speaker 1: we have every episode with a song maybe I'm a

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Speaker 1: needle see when I'm run it. Well, you went thirty

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Speaker 1: four thirty five. I've been obsessed with thirty four to

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Speaker 1: thirty five song because I will say, like all the

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Speaker 1: discourse about like Sabrina like being like the funny pop star.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, it's true, but you didn't listen to

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Speaker 1: thirty four thirty five because there's been jokes math class,

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Speaker 1: the Neighbors, earthquake, the sake. Also that music video.

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Speaker 2: She is doing like big comfy couch style like splits choreography,

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Speaker 2: shooting the legs, swinging it over one side.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, go off, bitch, Yes that the Dame got

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Speaker 1: trough Okay by Love Ariano Bye. Last.

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Speaker 2: Culturess is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players

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Speaker 2: and then her radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yek,

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Speaker 1: Executive produced by Anna Hasier and produced by Becker Ramo,

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Speaker 1: Edited and mixed by Doug Babe. And our music is

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Speaker 1: by Henrik Mirsky. Yeah.