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Speaker 1: First of all, we'll appreciate you, you know, coming on

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Speaker 1: the show, man, like you know your game, man, like

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Speaker 1: if if they don't like your game, they don't like basketball.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Love watching you play ME and Q and playing against y'all.

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Speaker 1: Them games we played against y'all back in the days.

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Speaker 1: It was like it was the fun game because y'all

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Speaker 1: ran just like how we ran. But there, we definitely

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me, man.

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Speaker 1: So when you first got to the league, who was

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Speaker 1: the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Man, you know what's funny, Man, People don't really know

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Speaker 4: member Terrell Brandon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Man, listen, he was Minnesota Cavalier.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota at the time.

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Speaker 2: He's he's with KG. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm bigger than him. I'm longer. I got

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Speaker 3: this guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Man, when I tell you he I cried after

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Speaker 4: the game. I thought I wasn't get cut. Swear to god,

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Speaker 4: I thought I was get cut because it was the

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Speaker 4: first time in my life where I just I couldn't

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Speaker 4: figure if the game was going so fast, I couldn't

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Speaker 4: figure nothing out.

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Speaker 3: He was coming off picking rolls.

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Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a feel a second late and pulling

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Speaker 4: up on me and Scotty and them was just looking

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Speaker 4: at me like keep playing.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, keep playing, y'all gonna cut me.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going on, man, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: so it was him and just Nick Van next I

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Speaker 4: could he was just so hirky jerky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you cut one off, he going to the

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Speaker 4: other side and his left hand he can bomb the

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Speaker 4: ball like it was incredible to make the quick you know,

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Speaker 4: Nick and and then Nick. Nick didn't have like he

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Speaker 4: wasn't conservative, Like he'll just get wild on you. And

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Speaker 4: if he get wild, he'll shoot from thirty feet out,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And the coach, I get

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Speaker 4: up on him, get up on it. He'll go past me.

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Speaker 4: If I don't get up on me, Gon shoot in

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Speaker 4: my face. I was in trouble for a minute.

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Speaker 5: our brother, you know what I'm saying. We got the

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Speaker 5: Philly Cat, the most interesting man in the NBA. We

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia. Grew up Philadelphia? Who How was it like coming

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So okay, So growing up in Philly was myself, Kobe,

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Speaker 4: Alvin Williams, Rip Hamilton, and Tim Rashie Walla. It was

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Speaker 4: a lot of us and back then, no one knew

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Speaker 4: no modum pros. We were just trying to get a

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Speaker 4: scholarship to go to college. And I was actually a

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Speaker 4: year ahead of them, but I was younger than Rashid

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Speaker 4: senior year in high school, I was I played in

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Speaker 4: Catholic League, Ross played the public league, and then Alvin

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Speaker 4: and them played in like a private like interact kind

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Speaker 4: of Kobe and Noah Marion and Germantown Academy. After graduating

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Speaker 3: In high school.

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, and then I went to prep school in Maine,

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Speaker 4: in Maine, Central Pittsfielle, Maine. Everything closed at five o'clock.

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Speaker 7: How was that transition from Philly.

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Speaker 2: To that man.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I listen. I love him to death. Max Good

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Speaker 4: was our coach, Old the white dude. You would have

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Speaker 4: thought he was racist. He was the funniest thing in

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Speaker 4: He had a lot of those guys, and Coach was just.

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Speaker 4: He was beautiful man.

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Speaker 3: He was just. He always stayed on us.

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Speaker 4: And when I went up there, I was nervous because

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Speaker 4: we was topping the nation prep school. We're playing grown men,

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Speaker 4: And then that's what helped me get from here to

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Speaker 4: the toughness. I just in basketball. I felt vulnerable because

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Speaker 4: I wasn't as intelligent yet in the game because I

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Speaker 4: started I picked up a basketball thirteen, so I didn't

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Speaker 4: even know how to play basketball.

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Speaker 3: So everybody else is playing it in Kobe and.

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Speaker 4: Alvin and Rash and Aaron McKee and Eddie, I'm like, gosh.

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Speaker 4: Rick Brunson I'm like, man, I'm in trouble here, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Who put it in you? Then? Like?

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Speaker 1: Who put Like your style of play is like you know,

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Speaker 1: who reminded me of like like CJ.

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Speaker 2: McCullen, and remind me a little bit of you. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But your style of play, like your mid range, your

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Speaker 1: post up, like who put that in you? Like the

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Speaker 1: style said you started at thirteen. A lot of those

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Speaker 1: it for so long, But you started so late. So

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Speaker 1: when you started at thirteen, who was kind of forming?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, So my freshman year in high school,

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Speaker 4: there was a guy. He was a senior. His name

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Speaker 4: was Chris Williams. Christopher Williams, right left hand, smooth, starting

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Speaker 3: I fell in love with him.

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Speaker 4: I would come up from football practice, he'd be in

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Speaker 4: up and down, layups, jump shots, picking rolls. I'm like, gosh,

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Speaker 4: this kidding. This guy is good. So then I wanted

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Speaker 4: to be like him. And then my coach, Coach Ludlow,

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Speaker 4: So why dude left handed? So I had two people

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Speaker 4: so I'm like sitting there watching everything they did. And

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Speaker 4: So back then when we were younger. I'm older than

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Speaker 4: you guys, but when you're guard, you post up. You

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Speaker 4: don't shoot threes. You learn how to post up or

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Speaker 3: I'm like, gosh, I gotta figure this out too.

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Speaker 4: Then, so along with those two guys, Chris Williams and

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Speaker 4: Coach Ludlow, I learned how to do my post moves

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Speaker 3: So that's how my game started to developing.

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Speaker 4: Then my three point shot, and then I was fast

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Speaker 4: I ain't really got to have no Kyrie Irving handle.

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Speaker 4: If I can get from here to there, I'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: I get to my take office over.

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Speaker 5: What was it like for you? Like being thirteen fourteen?

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Speaker 5: You just starting you seeing all of them dudes you

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Speaker 5: named Kobe, rib She, all of them, like, how where

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Speaker 2: It's like to see them and see the levels of.

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Speaker 3: Ten time, all of them.

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Speaker 4: All of those guys made me a pro faster because

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Speaker 4: I pick it up at thirteen. I'm literally playing with

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Speaker 4: pros at nineteen, and I wasn't as good, but I

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Speaker 4: Q it scared me right because I wanted it so bad,

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Speaker 4: but I didn't how to. I didn't know what the

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Speaker 4: Can I shoot good? Like I'm every day I'm thinking that.

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Speaker 4: So I'm in the gym. I'll be with in the

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Speaker 4: on some more of my game stuff that they've done

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Speaker 4: to me. So for me, it was I fell in

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Speaker 4: It was something where I was like, I'm so nervous.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm doing right, but I want

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Speaker 4: to be where they're at.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to do because you see the

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Speaker 1: levels by seeing them, you seeing them walk in the gym,

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Speaker 1: and the rankings and them being number one.

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Speaker 2: Because Tim Thomas number one player Monster was.

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Speaker 3: The size is now when he was it was ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: And then he had a crowd with him, everybody.

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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. He was one of them.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to really, I only seen

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Speaker 1: one game in him back in the day. But the

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Speaker 5: To Chicago and Hootson Loup put on a show, unbelievable

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Speaker 5: show six. I was like, yo, he the coldest dude

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Speaker 5: at that point, Like like I was, I ain't seen

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Speaker 5: nothing like this. He had the easiest thirty six and

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Speaker 5: like eighteen, you didn't seen you running back with the

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Speaker 5: little At what point did you feel like you started

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Speaker 5: to be like okay, like I'm nice and you see

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Speaker 5: like that, everybody else started noticing, like yo, yo, cat,

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Speaker 5: like all right now, like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: At what point was that for you? Yeah? You know what?

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Speaker 3: I think it was?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: I know for sure when I came back from prep school,

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Speaker 4: I was stronger. My handles was there, my shot and

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Speaker 4: my mid range was on point. And then now my

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Speaker 4: my long ball was getting there too. So but I

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Speaker 4: wasn't scared to like go in and because you gotta

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Speaker 4: think about it's Rashie Wallace is Jason Lawson for Villanova.

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Speaker 4: All those guys are beating that, beating all that up here.

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Speaker 4: Can't come here with that, you better come in strong.

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Speaker 4: So I already was raised with them. And then when

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Speaker 4: I went to prep school, just grown men. Now now

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Speaker 4: I come back and I got my gamers little. You know,

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Speaker 4: I got a little wig in my game. I go

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Speaker 4: a little polished and I'm pulling up. I'm doing what

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Speaker 4: I want to do. And I think I was asaging

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Speaker 4: what thirty five. I come back after thirty five in

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Speaker 4: the Summer League. This gainst everybody else. So then I'm

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Speaker 4: like I'm getting picked, you know, yo, I got cat.

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Speaker 4: I got cat, and that made me feel better.

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Speaker 2: And the big boy pick.

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Speaker 3: Up Yeah, big yo, give me cat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, cool with the first with these guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm in here.

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Speaker 1: That's what going to Maine and you killing that Maine,

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Speaker 1: that's what Rhode Island seeing you gave you a chance

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Speaker 1: because they're right there across the street, you know what

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Speaker 3: So I chose. That's how I chose Rhde Island.

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Speaker 4: He was coming for a couple of days with a

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Speaker 5: Was it for you to be the ATM player of

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Speaker 3: That was amazing?

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Speaker 4: You know what's funny cute with the now Nowadays, a

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Speaker 3: Twelve?

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Speaker 2: Like twelve fifteen teams? It was like twelve fifteen in

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Speaker 3: It was crazy every other day, every other day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what y'all did it too?

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Speaker 2: Huh? I didn't you do that? Dinners and stuff. I

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Speaker 3: Crazy place.

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Speaker 7: People trying to get me come back to three times.

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Speaker 4: I thought Sanatoroi was gonna pick me up like twenty four,

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Speaker 4: they got Filippe Lopez.

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Speaker 4: So when san Antonio picked Felipe Lopez at twenty four,

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Speaker 4: know what, they called my name and I just me

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Speaker 4: crazy having fun. But yeah, it was scary, man, But

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Speaker 3: Definitely. That's when the Rockets picked.

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Speaker 2: Love Rudy t best.

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Speaker 1: I just loved y'all style of play, like how the

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Speaker 2: I felt like that was like my game right there.

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Speaker 1: When I went to visit Houston, I just fell in

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Speaker 1: How was it like playing for Rudy? You know, just

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Speaker 4: I truthfully wished Pitt would have stayed with us, really

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Speaker 4: He had mortality, just needed young guns, right and because

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Speaker 4: Pip is the reason why I started.

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Speaker 3: He's literally the reason why I started, because he.

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Speaker 4: Was pushing me and pushing me and pushing me because

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Speaker 4: get in game. Remember Roddick Rhoades, my guy, Roddick Rose

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Speaker 4: And then he had other guys that couldn't do what

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I'm hitting my threes wide open threes. You know, keep

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Speaker 5: and bring you along and push you like that? Because

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00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 5: we know he like you know, top seventy five and

441
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,959
Speaker 5: is who he is? Like, what type of relationship has

442
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 5: barked that up for going to be pouring into you?

443
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 4: First of all, so I had a wallet. I used

444
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,400
Speaker 4: to carry a wallet and the wallet was Scottie Pipping

445
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 4: and Eddie Jones Because I wanted to be like them,

446
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 4: do everything right. And I just so happened to get

447
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 4: drafted by the Houston Rockets and they got Scottie Pipping.

448
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 4: Eddie Jones is already my close friend. So I'm like, wow,

449
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 4: this is crazy, this is manifestation. So Scotty would go

450
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 4: in to gym early in the morning. Guess what, I'm

451
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 4: in that gym early in the morning. We're doing post

452
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 4: moves versus pivots, you know, catching shoots, face ups, We're

453
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 4: doing all that. He said, I want you in the

454
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 4: gym with me. So I would literally be in that

455
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 4: gym every single morning with Scotty, and if we played

456
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 4: practice afterwards one on one, have fun doing that too.

457
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 4: So he was kind of teaching me the game and

458
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 4: one in that six seven months where if I'd have

459
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 4: had Scotty, you know, a couple of more years, imagine

460
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 4: how much better you would be caught him as a person,

461
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So Rudy was like that,

462
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,959
Speaker 4: go back to Rudy. He was a player's coach. But

463
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 4: Rudy was like, yo, save your energy, right, I want

464
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 4: you to work out, but save your energy. So we

465
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 4: won't practice hard, but our practice be five and five.

466
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

467
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 4: Because he believed in playing games and in gym, you

468
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and getting shots up and then getting.

469
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: Out of it.

470
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 4: Go golf, go have fun. So Rudy was more of

471
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 4: a veteran's coach. He wasn't a young guys coach, young

472
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 4: guy coach. If you come into the league and beginning,

473
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 4: young guy coach, or you might get out because Rudy's on.

474
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 4: He's on it like you're supposed to know what you're doing.

475
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna teach you a little bit, but this is

476
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 4: what you need to do. Get with the trainer, get

477
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 4: with this person, get to this person, and do what

478
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 4: you gotta do right.

479
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 3: He would He holds you accountable, you know what I'm saying.

480
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 4: But between Scotty and Rudy, that's the reason why I

481
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 4: became who I was, because they both believed in me

482
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 4: and pushed me.

483
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 3: He'd loved you. I'm telling you.

484
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: How all was you when you walked in? You see

485
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: the dream you see I know you see looking all

486
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: mean and you know Scottie you we all watched.

487
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: Him win six of them. You know what I'm saying.

488
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: I like walking into the locker room and like, oh,

489
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: I got a jersey, my name, that mobiley name on

490
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: the back of it.

491
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm in the locker room with greatness.

492
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 3: Okay.

493
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 4: So when I get there, right, I look and I'm

494
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 4: like Scotty's lockers here, my lockers here, and I'm.

495
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: Like, this is four years straight.

496
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 2: Bro.

497
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. I didn't even know what I

498
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 4: was doing. Seriously, I'm just sitting there like I cannot

499
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 4: believe this. And then the King he was more you know, zen, like,

500
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 4: you know, he's writing Arabic and he's practicing this, and

501
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 4: he's you know, he's dressed to the tea at seven

502
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: o'clock in the mornings, and he's giving you all these

503
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 4: philosophical quotes you need to be listening to and how

504
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: life should be. And he's more like more reserve. And

505
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 4: then you have Barkley. He was everywhere with Oh he

506
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 4: was life for the party.

507
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 3: Crazy.

508
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 4: But the great thing I love about Pip and bark

509
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 4: is they kept me with them wherever they went.

510
00:22:59,480 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 3: I went.

511
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 4: I was the rookie that kept his mouth shut. You know,

512
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: whatever y'all want to do. Cool, let's go here, we

513
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: go to dinner. You know we're gonna hang out. You know,

514
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 4: they smoke a cigar, boom boom, whatever. But it was

515
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 4: I got something from each and every one of them.

516
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 4: You know, Barky was more life for the party. Pit

517
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: was kind of like life for like Reserve, you know

518
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because he was the biggest one if

519
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 4: you think about his six rings of Michael Jordan, and

520
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 4: then there's Dream was like kind of like on the

521
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 4: back end, you know what I'm saying, like Dreams. So

522
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 4: we on the plane and Dream would always want me

523
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 4: to come and sit next to him, and he was

524
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: you know, whether it's the.

525
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: Koran or you know, let me ask you something.

526
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: Did Dream have to go through Ramadan in the season

527
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: like to I know the big thing about Kyrie. A

528
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: lot of these guys were talking about Kyrie, but they

529
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: don't understand. I understand when them when them games was

530
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: tipping off that banana he was, you know, on the

531
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: sideline was the first piece something to eat because he

532
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: had to go through Ramadan. And they don't understand their

533
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, what they believe in and

534
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: how they do it. I got a couple of homeboys

535
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: that they are Muslims, and you got a lot of

536
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: NBA players who who it'd be a whole month of

537
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: they really getting out on this court, they traveling, they

538
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: moving around and all this and they not even eating

539
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: twelve hours.

540
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know how you. I don't know how

541
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: they did it.

542
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: He would get into a point where he get a

543
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 4: little dizzy or something, or he have like we to

544
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: have like an oxygen tank, like so he can be

545
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 4: able to, you know, get some oxygens.

546
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: You know.

547
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 4: Plus when we were in Denver, we'd be in Denver

548
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 4: or Utah, he could have to doing that rhyma around

549
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 4: type of situations and I would saying I didn't know. Again,

550
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: I'm twenty two, twenty two years old. I didn't really

551
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 4: know exactly what it was. I'm just like, man, I

552
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: don't know what you're doing. Man, this is true. You

553
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: need a burger or something, get you something and you

554
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 4: and Dream was just like he was so zen like

555
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 4: while everything was like about his body and his religion

556
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 4: and spirituality like the whole thing. And like, I think

557
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: that's what I got a lot from him, where he

558
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: was so in control of hisself, right, But yet it's

559
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: still hard to do that while you're practicing like that

560
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 4: part I just didn't get right. And watching Kyrie, like

561
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 4: you said he was doing, it was like against Boston

562
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: I think right like it was like one of those

563
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: games he did.

564
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: It was like a little energy, but they were.

565
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: Trying to make it, make it seem funny that, oh,

566
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: look at him, he's just on the bench eating.

567
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: But now and it's like, man, the time.

568
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: Just ticked out where he actually can't eat, but he's

569
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of a game, so he can't sit

570
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: down and.

571
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: Really have a meal. He got a wait a whole

572
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 2: another two more.

573
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: Hours before he eats again, and he just haven't ate

574
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: since the sun.

575
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying.

576
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: That to me, man, And because I understood what Dream

577
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: was doing, That's why I understood his second game right,

578
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: because Boston is physical.

579
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: Right, So that first game where you did your you

580
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: did your job.

581
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 4: I think they lost that game though, I think they

582
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 4: lost that first game, an amazing game. But then the

583
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 4: second game, he was depleted, right, I thought he was

584
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: depleted because there was no nutrients, no us.

585
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 7: As basketball players, we have a pregame meal.

586
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 5: We eat two three times on game day, like bro,

587
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 5: Like when when I heard he wasn't you know that's

588
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 5: insane and he had well he played the first game

589
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 5: doing it. I was like way more impressed, Like what

590
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 5: like what like we eat like brother for real and

591
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 5: burn through that food that you ate. You know what

592
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 5: I'm saying? Energy, Why this is what I wanted to

593
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 5: ask you. You you talked about being around the dream

594
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 5: Charles and Scottie, Like, at what point did you get

595
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: to meet MJ at some point that Yeah, he was

596
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 5: with us. He would come off because I know them,

597
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: both of his potors. Like how oft Like what was

598
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 5: that like? When did you first meet Mike? And then

599
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 5: what was that like when he walked in?

600
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

601
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 4: So you know what, it's a blurb when I first

602
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 4: met him, But we became really cool because he was

603
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: he come all the time to Houston. You know what

604
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: I'm saying, hang with Scotty and hang with Charles, you

605
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: know my rookie year so and I would hang with them,

606
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I smoke a cigar with him.

607
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: I know how you know how to smoke a cigar.

608
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 4: I'm smoking, I'm choking. I just want to be one

609
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 4: of them. But you know, Mike was you know Mike

610
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: and Mike. Mike would talk to Ship to Scottie, and

611
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 4: you know Scotty had his own sneakers, right, Yeah, so

612
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 4: I was gonna go with I was gonna actually go

613
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: with Jordan's and I kept spraining my ankles for whatever reason,

614
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 4: the pat and the other ones, remember the patent letters.

615
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: I kept spraining my ankles. But I was with Scotty.

616
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: I remember early on, I don't know what sneaker deal

617
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 4: to go with. So Scotty had some sneakers, So of

618
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: course I'm gonna go with Scotty as my teammate. But

619
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: Mike was, I mean, from golfing to everything. Mike is

620
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: just Mike. He was just amazing. But to me, it

621
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: was numb, right because it's like a dream. You and

622
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: a dream, right, and you don't want to wait use

623
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 4: for the first year, first year man, Michael Jordan's, Scott Laji, Wan, Rudy,

624
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: Tom Joanavic Like, I'm sitting like what is going on here?

625
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: It's crazy? But I learned a lot from so.

626
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: Getting drafted forty one too.

627
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: Man, You're playing with these guys, you're getting good minutes,

628
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: You're playing like thirty minutes a game. You get named

629
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: to the second team All Rookie, Like, how was that

630
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: for you? Like after that first year and you look

631
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: back on it, like, man, you know, I can't. I

632
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: wasn't the high pick out of high school. I want

633
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: everybody wanted looking for me and the road that you

634
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: had to get to to even get that opportunity because man,

635
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm playing with the grades, Like how was

636
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: that after your first year?

637
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: And you look back with like, man, I did, and

638
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: I'm here now.

639
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think for me, I do well

640
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: under pressure, and I think for anybody right, for me

641
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: fighting my way up, that kept my edge going right.

642
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 4: It kept me scared, fearful, right, And I think a

643
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: lot of if you think a lot of greats like yourselves,

644
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: Like in the back of your mind, it's confidence. We

645
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: may seem to everybody else, in the back of your mind,

646
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: you're like, I don't want to fail, so I'm gonna

647
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: go hard, right, And I think us growing up, that's

648
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 4: how we you know, kind of work you think about it.

649
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: Neil de grass Tyson, I think he was telling them

650
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 4: a man I forget his name, but he said, if

651
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: you could live forever, you know, he said, if you

652
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: could do anything in world would do. He said, lift forever.

653
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: He's like, okay, he's like living forever. There's no sense

654
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: of urgency, you know what I'm saying. So you have

655
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: to have some type of sense of urgency to be

656
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: able to fight through things. So for me, you're gonna

657
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: do anything right because you know you're gonna live forever, right,

658
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: opposed to having a purpose. And I think my purpose

659
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: was trying to be the best I can be in

660
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: that short period of time that I was in the

661
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: LEADU because it could have been it could have cut

662
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 4: me after my first year or my second year. So

663
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: for me, you know, when I made the second team,

664
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: like you know what, I gotta improve more. I gotta

665
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: lift more, I gotta shoot more. I gotta shoot better.

666
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: I can I have to look at more tape to

667
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: you know, become a better leader. Like it was things

668
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: like that. What I do regret is that we didn't

669
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: have a lot of veterans to help us, like Vince

670
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: Carter and them had like Charles Oakley, Antonio Davis and

671
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: Chris Charles and you know, like stuff like that, like

672
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: you guys were you guys were great, but you needed vets.

673
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 5: Exactly how was it for you to go, like you said,

674
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 5: you just get you know, you make all rookie.

675
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 7: Team and then lockout? Like how was that? Like you

676
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 7: saying you don't know what what the future?

677
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Hell?

678
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 5: And then like you know, like you just fresh in

679
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 5: this joint? You like what is a lot like the wait,

680
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 5: the league ain't gonna go? Like how was that? Like

681
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 5: what type of culture?

682
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: Like wait?

683
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: But no, this is how it happened. So the lockout

684
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: year was my rookie year. So we only played fifty

685
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: something games.

686
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was the rookie year.

687
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: So so check this one out.

688
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: So the lockout year, you know, you're supposed to go

689
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 4: in September, right, no lockout, So we're in We're in

690
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: New York during September or I think it was New

691
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: York where Oak and Barkley got into that situation or

692
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 4: whatever came down during the meeting or whatever it was.

693
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: It was in New York. And then September, October, November, December,

694
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: and then January is when I got on that plane

695
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: to go to Houston because now the lockouts over.

696
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: So I was nervous.

697
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 4: I ain't had no money anyway, so I'm just sitting

698
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 4: in my mom and my dad cribbed like, okay, cool,

699
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

700
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: But Alvin and Vrashid already.

701
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: Was in the NBA, right, So I'm sitting it to myself,

702
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: like what am I gonna do?

703
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: I'm out of college, you know what am I gonna do?

704
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 4: So after that, you know, for fifty something games, That's

705
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: when I said that next summer, I'm gonna stack this bread.

706
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna do nothing else because I don't know

707
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: what they're doing. I didn't understand nothing anyway. I didn't

708
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: know nothing, man. I just wanted to play.

709
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: How was it when they blew the team up?

710
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: Blow the whole team up, and then y'all get this

711
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: young guy, Steve Francis, and y'all instantly like messed and

712
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: like the way y'all played, and how y'all look for

713
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: each other, like like y'all instantly seemed like y'all been

714
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: playing together for years.

715
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: Did you know Steve before he got there?

716
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: No, So that summer, like when they draft to see it.

717
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: When he came, we stayed on the same team when

718
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: we played what do you call it? Just refree run?

719
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: So for me, like I said, before, Steve, you had

720
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: a name.

721
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: You had a name.

722
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: I didn't.

723
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: I was just a kid from Philadelphia, you know what

724
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like I was used to playing with stars.

725
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: So for me, it's whatever you do, I'm gonna fill

726
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: in the blanks.

727
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: I'm cool.

728
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be nothing else, right, That's how

729
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: I felt. So when Steve and I started playing together,

730
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: I'm playing off of him. He wasn't playing off of me.

731
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: And then when I started to show Steve my skill set,

732
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: then he's respecting it more and then like, all right, what.

733
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you years?

734
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: So now we go back and forth.

735
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.

736
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: But it started with me humbling myself and knowing that like, yo,

737
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 4: that's the franchise, not you.

738
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So that's how it started there.

739
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 4: And then my mom steve mom passed away when he

740
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: was younger, and then he has grandma who I loved

741
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: to death, and his brother, so my mother, my sisters,

742
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: in part, my dad, everybody was down there and my

743
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 4: mom took Steve.

744
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: You know, you know, mom to you know what I'm saying.

745
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: So that made him feel better too. So it's like

746
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: when we cuss each other on the court, it ain't personal.

747
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: And afterwards we go get some of the you know

748
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: stuff like that. So that's how we yelped.

749
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 5: Tell me how fun it was, because I know it

750
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 5: wasn't fun for us, But like like Rudy t y'all

751
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 5: ran shake whatever, shake one through the file, one through again.

752
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 5: It's like the whole life, y'all understand, Like everybody go

753
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 5: over there on that side.

754
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm not lying.

755
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: Everybody over there and you were in the corner Alba

756
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 5: line up or whatever, but like like Mark Jackson said,

757
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: may I have this dance?

758
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: They got you and this whole side of the corner.

759
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 5: It's you and there now lock up or get get

760
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 5: out up like when I say he did. They single

761
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 5: handedly made me a better defense. I was never no,

762
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: it was about pride though, like hold on, like everybody

763
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: over there, it's sad reverse pivot looking at you and

764
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 5: standing you up and not like how who was it

765
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 5: to when you saw like wait this, y'all gonna let

766
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 5: us play like this, Like so we're gonna pick on whoever?

767
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 5: How cool was that like as a team, cause like

768
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 5: y'all had you fucking moochie five people, you had more

769
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 5: Taylor right to left, somebody in a dunk on you, Like, like,

770
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: how was that for y'all as a team all to

771
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 5: play in that type of system and have that type

772
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 5: of freedom really, like you remember to play the City

773
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 5: going on Troy Troy Hudson going berserk like fifteen and

774
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 5: once up it was like.

775
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: Real teble Like that was like, how is it to

776
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: play in something like that?

777
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 5: It's wild? It as free as we they think we played.

778
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 5: We never had that type of freedom. Wow, never would

779
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 5: think so. No, people always raving like y'all had, Like yeah,

780
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 5: we was just so young and rin like that. But

781
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 5: like it wasn't like you ain't had nobody swagging like

782
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 5: I'm about to come down and just do me.

783
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: Nah No, So so got there. Charles and Hakeem was

784
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 4: on the box. Pip was like, yo, let him go,

785
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: Let Katino go, Let Mike Dickerson go, because remember that

786
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 4: Mac Dickerson.

787
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: Mike's getting bucket.

788
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: And then they traded.

789
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: Mike, so now it was me and Steve and Rudy

790
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: used to see how I would get through key holes.

791
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: And Steve was getting dunking on people. He's like, well,

792
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 4: y'all need more space, But it was Charles got hurt

793
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: his knee. I think got hurt two thousand or something

794
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 4: like two thousand and one, something like that, You got hurt.

795
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 4: But anyway, Dream was already on his way out anyway,

796
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: but Dream was clogging up that paint at the bottom.

797
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: So he was like, you know, when Dream would go

798
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 4: out the game, he would let us do our wiggles right,

799
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: shake one shake, two shake, things like that.

800
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: So then it became like this phenomenon.

801
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 4: It's like Muchie Naris go and then I'm on this side,

802
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: and then Steve was on this side, and I'm on

803
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 4: whoever get the ball, whoever brings it up to shake

804
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: one shake right, It's like things like that.

805
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: So we didn't really know what we were doing. It

806
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 3: was just score.

807
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: And the great thing about what Rudy did bro it

808
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: was like old school if you score until they stop going,

809
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: till they stop them do it again. And what it

810
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: does is it builds confidence in you. But then the

811
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: defenders like, yo, you picking.

812
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: On me or something. That's what it was. It was

813
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: like hold on, That's why I say.

814
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: It made me become prideful and everything else like hold

815
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 5: on that, No, I ain't about to be getting like

816
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 5: they did.

817
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: This did two three times a brow. I be God, damn,

818
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: I'm about to file the hell out of right funny.

819
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: It's so crazy.

820
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: But I think back then, just like y'all, we needed

821
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: more vets, the Mark Jackson's of the world, Charles Oakley's

822
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: of the world. We needed those guys to kind of

823
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: settle us down a little bit, right. It's okay to

824
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 4: do that, but get settled right and to win some games,

825
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 4: because if you look at it, even us the years

826
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: we missed the playoffs, we're losing with two possession, three

827
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: possession games where your veterans kind of okay, cat okay,

828
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: there's okay, q okay, Corey.

829
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Second year when we was like two games out the playoffs, yeah, like, man,

830
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: we lost so many close games.

831
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: Close games.

832
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: And when I went to the Clippers and oh five,

833
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: oh six, they lost about sixteen seventeen games with like

834
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 4: a four possession, three possession it was that And I'm like, wow,

835
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: that's so crazy, those one to two possession game, four

836
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: possession games where it's like that four that actually that

837
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: one turned into four because you get depleted because.

838
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: What you're doing this.

839
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: You was like, you know what, I just lost three

840
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 4: games in a row. Now this one, I'm manifested. You know,

841
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: think about your energy when you start manifesting like I'm

842
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: you sabotaged, like I ain't running back, I'm mad now right,

843
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: and then you lose. But you learned a lot from

844
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 4: that man. But veterans are definitely a key.

845
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: The number one player in my class when I came

846
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: out of high school was Eddie Griffin. Eddie Griff tell

847
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: us about Eddie Griffin. That was like my guy Philly, Yeah,

848
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: from Philly. He came and played with y'all man. He

849
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: was a three point thread.

850
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: Shot, blind, natural shotline, unbelievable.

851
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: He was the number one player in my class. Always

852
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: like Eddie, quiet, quiet dud, don't talk. Yeah, I have

853
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: Eddie be on your team. And then the whole situation

854
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: with him just.

855
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that's funny, man. I still feel a

856
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: little bad about that to this day because Eddie didn't

857
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: talk much and Eddie was younger. Something was a situation

858
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: with him and his brother or something like that. Eddie

859
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: went to Roman Catholic in Philadelphia. You know, I just heard,

860
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 4: you know he's from Philly, and you know it's young boy.

861
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: He you know, shoot threes, he blocked shots.

862
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: He's amazing.

863
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 4: He came to us and we hit it off, but

864
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: he was very reserved, like he didn't really speak much.

865
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: To right An.

866
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: He wouldn't talk right so, and he was going through

867
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: a lot at the time too. I think something happened

868
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: to his brother and he was and then when he's

869
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: kind of shut down. But Eddie would have been one

870
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: of the best man. He was a natural shot blocker.

871
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 4: Any stretch the floor right like he can shoot threes.

872
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: And this is back then when we shoot threes, if

873
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 4: you miss the three, you gotta sit down. That kind

874
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: of thing. So, and that's another thing Rudy did too.

875
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: Rudy let everybody play.

876
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: So when Eddie came in, Eddie was you shoot him?

877
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: You can shoot about full five six back then, that's

878
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: a lot.

879
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

880
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: But Eddie was, uh, he was special man.

881
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: He was.

882
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say he was like that KG, but

883
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: he was a special being. Because we felt more comfortable

884
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: with Eddie and Cato in the pain because we can

885
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: be aggressive on the wing and in funnel.

886
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: Them used to dunk that thing when when y'all finally angry, angry, tell.

887
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 5: Me you you didn't like you know you the forty

888
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: first pick, you an average twenty one seventeen nineteen. Like

889
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: at that point, when you you know what I'm saying,

890
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 5: averaging that many points, how are you looking around the league?

891
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: At what point do you feel like, yeah, like you

892
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like I'm here.

893
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 4: It was well, Scotty kind of like prepared me for it, right,

894
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: He's like, listen, you average ten year rookie year, I

895
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: want you to average. Give me five more points the

896
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 4: second year. I want you to control the tempo of

897
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: the game. Push it when you can do this when

898
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: you can't. And then when he went to Portland, I

899
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: was I was actually heartbroken when he went to Portland

900
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: because he wanted to get out of there because of

901
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: him a situation with him and Charles Barkley, because he

902
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: didn't think Charles was getting in shape. But it was

903
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: serious about it, and he wanted to be wanted to

904
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: be more serious at the game, so he went to Portland.

905
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: But anyway, he he's the one who kind of prepared

906
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: me to like expect greatness from yourself. So I just

907
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 4: kept pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing and for me,

908
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 4: like I said before, and I will always harp on this.

909
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: I didn't have those veterans to help me when it

910
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: was the tight games, the quality twenty five thirty right,

911
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 4: whereas though if I had the again Mark Jackson's or

912
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: the Charles Oakleys, they could have settled Steve and I

913
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 4: down right. Because everything was such a blur. I'm like,

914
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 4: I'm I'm in flight. I'm in fight or flight mode.

915
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 4: I'm not in that Kobe calm, calm mold that you

916
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 4: should be in when you're you're in there, right, because

917
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there not being directed. I don't have any

918
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 4: there's no vets around me to tell me like, yo,

919
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: you're fleecing yourself right like that. That's that was the

920
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: scary part for me, so to really think about it.

921
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: I can make up stuff, but that's not something I

922
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 4: want to do. I'm telling you, like I was like, Steve,

923
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: you need to get twenty five. I need to get

924
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: twenty something too. Let's let's you gotta do this, bro.

925
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: Yes all we got you know what I'm saying that.

926
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: That's how we went with it because it wasn't like

927
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: a situation where say Toronto with Vince Carter and it's

928
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: like Evince you're gonna shoot the ball twenty sometimes, Antonio Davis,

929
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: you're gonna get me boards and we're gonna kick it

930
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: down to you in the post. And it wasn't life.

931
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: It wasn't a structure like that, right, because we had

932
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: a lot of younger guys. Motailor came to us, Kenny

933
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: Thomas came to us, Calvin Cato wasn't a score, right,

934
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: So it was like who everybody's trying to find out

935
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 4: to get a name?

936
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 5: How was it for you when y'all when y'all got

937
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 5: the Wizard? Yeah, how was it for you when y'all got.

938
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: Y'all tell us the first time you heard y'all, Oh yeah,

939
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: you heard y'all was coming.

940
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: You just heard his name, you know.

941
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 4: So when they was like, yeah, we're gonna get the

942
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: the big guy from China, y'all mean seven six, I'm like,

943
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: what are you serious? So he comes and he has

944
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: this interpreter. His name is Colin the White Ball, right,

945
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: so y'all can speak perfect English. Let's get that out

946
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: the way.

947
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: That's part of the trick, ladies and gentlemen. I played

948
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 5: with wang z z a ka English.

949
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: If he don't if you don't put it if you

950
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: irritate him. So I got him to it. I got

951
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 4: him to it. But no, y'all was cool.

952
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: Man.

953
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 4: I love y'all to this day. I love y'all. One

954
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: thing people don't understand about y'all. Rudy got sick and

955
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 4: then Rudy had to you know, uh, take a leave

956
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: of absence. But if we would have had Rudy, I

957
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 4: think we would have did better earlier because y'all mean

958
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 4: pinch posts passing.

959
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: He was like some bonis. I mean he would he

960
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: would cut off of me.

961
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: He would call it.

962
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: That way, like Chris Webber, Flady brad Miller.

963
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: He was like that.

964
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 4: But they made y'all more so back to the basket

965
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: kind of thing he had. He was a pick and

966
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: pop guy, but he can do a lot of that. Yeah,

967
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 4: I think we didn't utilize y'all as much. But because

968
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: when I got to Sacramento, I saw the pinch post,

969
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 4: the way they passed off, the like how we did

970
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: in Big Three right past cut you know, things like that.

971
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: I think y'all would have been even better if we

972
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: were if we would have had that Rudy or like

973
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 4: the Rick Adamans of the world.

974
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: It really utilized him at that elbow.

975
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: Did you ever think Shaq would look a little bit

976
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: small to somebody? So crazy? Because when I when I

977
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: say I play, y'all, I was like, dangn look he

978
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: makes Shack look a little small. Bro.

979
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 4: Biggest games ever, No, no, the biggest games ever.

980
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: The Rockets play the Lakers.

981
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 4: The media frenzy yeah crazy during the week.

982
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: Tell me this though, just how did the media frenzy

983
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 5: change from from.

984
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 7: Before y'all and after y'all?

985
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: Like how many Chinese media member like per day did

986
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 5: it go from?

987
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: Because I know when from zero to like.

988
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 4: What okay, so okay, but now okay, I'm I'm gonna

989
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: Say'm gonna answer this one. I had Scottie pipp and

990
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 4: Charles Barkley came you want and then Michael Jordan will

991
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: pop his head in every other month and it.

992
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: Was it was crazy.

993
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: But when y'all ming came, Bro, we was on the

994
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 4: bus one time and it was we think it was

995
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 4: in Golden State shaking the bus and.

996
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: That was he was supposed to shaking the bus.

997
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 3: Bro, I couldn't believe like.

998
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: That was the other spot because remember when pre before

999
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 5: he got drafted, it was all of this talk about

1000
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: how they were going to control he was going to

1001
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 5: one of these till he was either going to y'all

1002
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 5: or Golden State because y'all had the huge Asian community.

1003
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: Community exactly, Bro, I'm talking.

1004
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: First it wasn't no Asians.

1005
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: Then before you know it, it's like fifteen Asian reporters

1006
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 4: all for y'all ming.

1007
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was people.

1008
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: On top of people trying to you know, for y'all.

1009
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. Everywhere we went, every city we went to,

1010
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: know we were already like you know, Charles and Scottie

1011
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 4: and Dream and then Steve and I had our little

1012
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 4: name and we go to certain cities.

1013
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: Nothing like that with y'all.

1014
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 4: Mean, so when y'all Miing came, now me and Steve

1015
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: name got bigger.

1016
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: How big? Like how did they help y'all go to

1017
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: this day?

1018
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1019
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: If I go over to this day, it's crazy like

1020
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: it's it's being around y'all. Miing makes you like that

1021
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: star like it's just another notch. Tracy McGrady, it's another

1022
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 4: notch for you because you got you got one point

1023
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 4: some billion people sitting there.

1024
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: You know, you playing with that teammate idolizing you, like,

1025
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: that's just crazy to me.

1026
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: And to see so many people love that person when

1027
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 4: I say, salt of the earth, the sweetest dude, man,

1028
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: the best person you can be around.

1029
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: To the NBA, have y'all take a trip over there

1030
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: and play in the preseason.

1031
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: They stayed after me and Steve left. Yeah, I think

1032
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: they went to the Great Wall. It went over there.

1033
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: Tell us about the shock and in the y'all's games though,

1034
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: like how them games used to be.

1035
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: Man, Yo, First of all, it was leading up to

1036
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: so it wouldn't I don't care if you're playing Utah.

1037
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 4: I don't care if we were playing Cleveland, I don't

1038
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: care where were playing matter leading were playing them on

1039
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: a Friday, Monday press crazy the whole week crazy for

1040
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: all of us, crazy with all types of interviews, I mean, commercials.

1041
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: It was the craziest thing in the world.

1042
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: So y'all of course had to do way more than

1043
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: all of us, right because it was y'all and there

1044
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: was Shack, and there was Shack's dad and there was

1045
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: you know, shack dad would get into it, you know

1046
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 4: what I'm saying about what he needed to do, and

1047
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: then you know, Shaq being a philosopher that he is,

1048
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 4: you know, he would say his stowar. Yeah, you'd say

1049
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: his stoward things out there, and uh, y'all mean the

1050
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: fun you know, the funny thing about their coaches, like

1051
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 4: they don't want to embarrass you, right. So as great

1052
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 4: as Shaq was in the beginning, y'all kind of was

1053
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: like a little reluctant on like doing anything, like you

1054
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: know himinating or you know, overboard kind of thing. And

1055
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: I remember one time I'm like me and Steve was

1056
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: like young now because you know we listen, I'm Philadelphia

1057
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: in this New Maryland, like, yo, come on, don't man,

1058
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: take what you're doing. This wore one barrassoe and I'm

1059
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 4: dunking the ball now.

1060
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: Aggressive moves, see like a lot more fire fire bro.

1061
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: And I think I don't know if it was me

1062
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 4: and Steve cussing him out, but he got sick and

1063
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 4: tired of like people picking on him, like literally THEO

1064
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: Ratliffe and this person and that person and blocking his

1065
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: shot and you know what I mean, then talking ship

1066
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 4: to him and you know he's not gonna talk back,

1067
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like he's just looking at

1068
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: you like a little mouse like, Oh, that's cute, like

1069
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 4: what you're doing, you know what I'm saying that kind

1070
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: of thing. But you know, he I think if he

1071
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: wouldn't have got hurt and he was utilized the right way, YAO,

1072
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 4: would have been unstoppable.

1073
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: He was that big.

1074
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: He was way bigger to getting better every his Cavs

1075
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: was like he wanted to huge.

1076
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 3: It is it crazy?

1077
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1078
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Tell me about the playoff series against the Lakers super Team.

1079
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: You know, first's Kobe or Nor from Philly. You grew

1080
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: up even knowing him for forever. This you know, it's

1081
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is the biggest stay. You got Shack over there,

1082
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: you got Malone, GP, and you Steve and y'allers in

1083
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: this series.

1084
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: Against Jackson, Yeah, Jackson was there. You know, Carl Malone

1085
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 4: saved him on that one because it was like Carl

1086
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 4: was struggling.

1087
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: For a little bit.

1088
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 4: Now, you know, we were thinking like maybe it's age

1089
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: and picking pop kind of thing because Kobe and Shack

1090
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: was already dominating, right and then guy was finding his way.

1091
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: He was just kind of directing you know, everybody do X,

1092
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: Y and Z. In that series. We played them nine

1093
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: times that year. We literally played them nine times that year,

1094
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: four in the regular season, the five in the pre

1095
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: in the post, and they won five four of course, right,

1096
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 4: because we split in the regular and then five three

1097
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 4: to two at the playoffs. I think Carl had like

1098
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: a thirty point game and it was an overtime or

1099
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 4: something something like crazy like that.

1100
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: That's when they lost to Detroit in the finals.

1101
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 4: But we thought we had a legitimate chance to compete

1102
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: because it was Steve myself, Jim Jackson, Y'ao Ming, and

1103
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: then we had a nice little We had Mark Jackson.

1104
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: I think Mark Jackson was on our team. Charles Oakley.

1105
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 3: We had better. We had a team that I wanted

1106
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 3: three four years prior.

1107
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 4: The media was crazy, right, the media was crazy because

1108
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 4: we're in the playoffs. Y'ao Ming, Asia, China, Chack, Kobe, Gary, Carl.

1109
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 4: I have actually a cool pitcher, right, they gave us

1110
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 4: and it's all ten of us on the all ten

1111
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: of us on the courpse.

1112
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: It's amazing.

1113
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 4: Jumbo Tron is in the Houston. The photo was in Houston.

1114
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 4: But it was always a battle man. It was always

1115
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: a bat where and then Derreck Christier was coming off

1116
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 4: the bench, right, I mean Rick Fox I think was

1117
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: Rick there. I don't even know if Rick was there,

1118
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: but anyway, I mean that team was That team was

1119
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: crazy that they had because they had all vets. And

1120
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 4: then Cole of course, you know he's a dog, He's

1121
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 4: nine ten dogs.

1122
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: How was that for you to be?

1123
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 5: Like you somebody who saw Kobe early on, like like

1124
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 5: in high school or however early it was like, how

1125
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 5: was it.

1126
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 7: For you to see him grow to be the mamba?

1127
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 5: Like you, you know, you over there doing your thing,

1128
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 5: but you watching him back to back champion It become

1129
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 5: like the go to the league while we you know,

1130
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 5: doing kind of era, Like how was that for you

1131
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 5: to sit there to know him from where he came from?

1132
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 7: To see where he went?

1133
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 4: You know, like all of us right when you're young,

1134
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 4: you kind of like that immature, but yet you want

1135
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: to be somewhere, but you just don't know how to

1136
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 4: get there. I think the blessings for Kobe was Phil

1137
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 4: Jackson right, text winners right, where the stoic ism, the

1138
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: meditating right, the fighting yourself right to being calm and

1139
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 4: a very chaotic kind of setting right when I'm on

1140
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 4: the court or what I'm doing right. I don't think

1141
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: he would have been who he was if he didn't

1142
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: have those people to really settle him, right. And I

1143
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 4: think a lot of its as talented as you were

1144
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 4: when you have those type of people to kind of like,

1145
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: remember you said we policed ourselves. He had other You

1146
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: had Jerry West, you had Michael come in, you had Phil,

1147
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 4: you had text. You know, you had veterans to kind

1148
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: of help you become a grown man faster where we

1149
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 4: were kind of like fighting to get through that. And

1150
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 4: then you know, to me, best to guard ever? I

1151
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 4: got cold to me. No, to me, that's just to me.

1152
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I don't want one. Okay,

1153
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: there's no A or B.

1154
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 5: I don't want anybody misconstruteds because I got the utmost

1155
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 5: respect for Kobe, and Kobe is right.

1156
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 7: There, right number there, unequivocally number two.

1157
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: Like I would say, like one A like Mike.

1158
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 7: Want to be type situation. Okay, Michael sits alone.

1159
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so who so what? Okay?

1160
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 5: And it's not what I'm saying is not Nobody is not.

1161
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 5: I don't want anybody. I don't want anybody to get

1162
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 5: it miss understood because because I'm saying Michael is one

1163
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 5: by himself, Like I'm not disinc I love I got

1164
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 5: the most like he was my feeling, and I feel

1165
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 5: like Kobe was more skilled than Mike.

1166
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 4: Right, So how is but if he's more skilled than

1167
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 4: that person, what can what can Mike do that?

1168
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 7: What can Mike cannot lose the finals?

1169
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 9: Never had Okay, Okay, so that's what that's okay.

1170
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's not the talent of Kobe. You are, Mike,

1171
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 5: So that ain't even the same. Okay, So chill, I'm

1172
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 5: talking about I'm talking about you know what I'm talking about.

1173
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: You did it?

1174
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 7: You right?

1175
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: You right?

1176
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right?

1177
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: And I love Mike.

1178
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Mike.

1179
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 7: Never lost ball voice, never lost.

1180
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 2: The bean.

1181
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 7: He lost the finals though with something else that wasn't

1182
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 7: he He I had listen.

1183
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: I always say I had to check him.

1184
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 5: It was like that seeing in Love of Basketball when

1185
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 5: she's backing up the third person you like, and you

1186
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 5: knowing like this mother might try anything. He sho left

1187
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 5: hand jumpers anything. He'll do you anything. He thought of

1188
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 5: the board this and he'll do anything anything.

1189
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 3: Ain't that crazy?

1190
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 9: You really knew that Bob to himself everything with the left.

1191
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 5: With a jump like a three point with the left hand,

1192
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 5: boy like arrogance.

1193
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: That exactly with other pros guarding you. It's crazy to me.

1194
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: I'll do this.

1195
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 5: I tell people, he the one person that I literally

1196
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 5: he would do anything more skill to guard ever.

1197
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 2: He got that much confidence.

1198
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 3: He'll say that the most skill time.

1199
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 5: Like listen, it's coch Like Mike was Mike, but like

1200
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 5: Mike couldn't do something the stuff that Kobe could do.

1201
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 7: But Mike's overall dominant. Nobody sees that six And oh.

1202
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Kobe mentioned you in this

1203
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: book and like to hear him, you know, like he

1204
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: could have wrote about yo. I said that he could

1205
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: have wrote about anything for him to mention you in

1206
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: his book and you and your game, how he respected

1207
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: you and your game?

1208
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: Like, how was that for you?

1209
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: Just you know, one of the grace of our era,

1210
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: one of the ones that you know he's a period

1211
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: of it, but you respect him so much for him

1212
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: to just you know, put that in this book and

1213
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: how much he respects you and respect your game?

1214
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: How was that for you? You know?

1215
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: For me, man, Kobe is the reason why I became

1216
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 4: as good as I became so fast because I saw

1217
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: him working so hard. You know, he's four years younger

1218
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 4: than me, So I'm seeing him work so hard at

1219
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 4: a young age and then dominating. I'm talking about dominating

1220
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 4: everybody at a young age. But he, he Kobe had

1221
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 4: something a lot of us don't have at a young age,

1222
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 4: which I got in my twenties, is he knew his

1223
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 4: purpose early. So when knowing your purpose early at thirteen fourteen,

1224
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: your focus is right, like you fall in love with

1225
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: your purpose, the goals. The purpose is what he.

1226
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: Fell in love with.

1227
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: So he when we would play you know how you play,

1228
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 4: Remember when we playing dog, when we all played, I'm

1229
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 4: tuning into Kobe as soon as I can, as soon

1230
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: as I get home after I play.

1231
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: But what did he do? I want to see his footwork.

1232
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: Every single time because he was just a master at it,

1233
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 4: and I wanted to become as good as I could

1234
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 4: right because I started late, so I'm trying my best

1235
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 4: to speed up right and do what I can do.

1236
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 4: So when he put that in you know, his book,

1237
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 4: I felt to myself like, wow, like that's my guy.

1238
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, Like he loved when

1239
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 4: you compete against them and you fought like you literally

1240
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 4: wanted to fight. Like That's how what he loved the most,

1241
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 4: and that's what I got from him. So for him

1242
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 4: to put me in his book when they told me that,

1243
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 4: I said, I appreciate it.

1244
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's all I could do.

1245
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 4: You know, it was just appreciate him even thinking about

1246
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: me and that in that way.

1247
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's just talk about when they decided to

1248
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: blow y'all up in Houston, like to blow the team up.

1249
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: And I know how closed you and Steve was any

1250
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: time we seen Steve, we seen Hughes, we went together. Yeah, yeah,

1251
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: I like, so how was that like for them to

1252
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: kind of change course and just like, we want to

1253
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: bring somebody else in here that work with y'all and

1254
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: just blow it up after you didnet been there that long?

1255
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was tough for me.

1256
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 8: Man.

1257
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: I love Tracy, Tracy's my guy McGrady. But it was

1258
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: in Juwan Howard Tylou was five of those guys and

1259
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: three of us and it was myself, Steve Francis, and

1260
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 4: Calvin Cato, three starters that just lost to the Lakers,

1261
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 4: right that just lost in the championship. I was a

1262
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: little I was a little pissed off at that. And

1263
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 4: then Tracy and them didn't have a year. Now, I

1264
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 4: mean I didn want like maybe eighteen twenty something games

1265
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 4: that year for so like I didn't really understand it

1266
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: at that time. But anyway, we get to to Orlando

1267
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: and it's myself, Steve brand Hill, who's one of the

1268
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: best teammates ever. And then we had a young Dwight

1269
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 4: Howard and I mean souldiers were out here, like Michael

1270
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 4: Cage right because he looked like black at him. Yeah,

1271
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 4: like black adam him and the rock it was black

1272
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 4: at him. And then we had Tony Batti, we had

1273
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 4: Heat Turklu, we had a monster squad man, Johnny Davis

1274
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: at the time. For whatever reason, we just bumped heads

1275
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 4: at that time, and we were top in the East.

1276
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 4: And you know, I he came to me and Steve

1277
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 4: and I and this was my contract year. It wasn't

1278
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 4: Steve's my contract year. He came to Steve and I

1279
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: and he was like, listen, y'all gonna have to share time.

1280
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: Share time. Who what?

1281
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 4: And it was rookies. It was Jamie Nelson, Deshaun Stevenson,

1282
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: you know those guys. And I'm like no, it's my fifth,

1283
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 4: sixth year. You asked your mind.

1284
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: No, we're not doing this.

1285
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 4: Y'all got to sit down and relax like everybodybody else, right,

1286
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 4: And Jamie's my young boy from Philadelphia, So I'm like, listen,

1287
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: if y'all gonna do that, like you might as well

1288
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 4: let me get out of here, because y'all gonna play

1289
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 4: with my money like you saying.

1290
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: And I was topping the league in.

1291
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 4: Three point field goal percentage, so I didn't want to

1292
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 4: leave because that's the best team all around team I've

1293
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 4: ever been on.

1294
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 3: I think all of us ever been on.

1295
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 4: When you have Steve Francis, myself, Grant Hill, Dwight Howard Talvocato,

1296
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: and then ours. The bench was Jamiir Nelson, Deshaun Stevenson,

1297
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 4: Keith Bogan's he do Turkulu, Tony Batti, like you don't

1298
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: get that. That's a solid group like anybody coming in.

1299
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: So I just think it was overwhelming for Johnny Davis.

1300
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: He traded me to Sacramento and then Doug Christy came near.

1301
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: They didn't even make the playoffs. That Orlando team went

1302
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 4: from toping on the East to not making the playoffs

1303
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 4: at all that year. But I saw promising Dwhite early.

1304
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 4: I mean he was a sponge. He had guard skills.

1305
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 4: How about that one he was doing all between the legs,

1306
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 4: behind the back, he was doing all that. He just

1307
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 4: got He just got two black Adams for me. But

1308
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 4: he was all the guard skills, bro, he had everything.

1309
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 4: He can shoot a jumper back then. It was all

1310
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 4: that I'm telling you he was, But he was he

1311
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 4: was green, you know what I'm saying.

1312
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: He was green.

1313
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: His mom and his dad.

1314
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 4: Dictated a lot of things, which stay should have write

1315
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 4: a eighteen years old you know what I mean. It

1316
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 4: was the baby kind of thing. So, but uh, DWIGHTE

1317
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 4: always I knew the White was gonna be amazing.

1318
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: For you to be a Clipper, Right.

1319
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it.

1320
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: It was different than when you guys were there, right.

1321
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: I think they were more committed when we were there. Right,

1322
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 4: they were a little more committed.

1323
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: But to be in town with a Lakers town, like,

1324
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, it didn't feel like that. You feel different, Bro.

1325
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: It didn't feel like. It didn't feel like that.

1326
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 4: Ting about restaurants, I would go to clubs I would

1327
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 4: go to It didn't feel like that. And I had

1328
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 4: something to prove to with Sam Me and Sam Cosell

1329
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 4: was like, Yo, if we take these casts to the playoffs, bro,

1330
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 4: like this would be some fun. And we started winning

1331
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 4: and it was fun and it was like it you

1332
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: became contagious. And then Corey and Elton brought into it

1333
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 4: more and it was like us for it was like, Yo,

1334
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 4: let's do it, you know, and I think, yes, I

1335
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 4: mean anything's a Laker. You can be in New York

1336
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 4: and be a Lakerstown like Lakers is winning franchises and ever.

1337
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 4: So you know what I'm saying, like just being a

1338
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 4: little brother, I'm cool with that as long as I'm family,

1339
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like That's how we looked

1340
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 4: at it, and we we got to do everything we

1341
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 4: wanted to do, you know, from restaurants to clubs to

1342
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 4: people being cool.

1343
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 3: I mean listening it was Billy Crystal and.

1344
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 9: It was Billy Crystal, Penny Marshal like it was.

1345
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: It was.

1346
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 3: It was a great group, man.

1347
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 4: And then more celebrities you would come in, you know,

1348
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 4: to games, and it just felt it felt a lot

1349
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 4: better and you can see it in Corey's face that

1350
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: were like wow, like we can really walk around the

1351
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 4: city with our chess poked out like we're doing something

1352
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 4: kind of thing for them, And I wanted to, truthfully

1353
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 4: to really feel that that you deserve, man, like you

1354
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 4: like you guys deserve to like get into you guys

1355
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 4: deserved it, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes it's just

1356
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 4: circumstances and maybe a background for.

1357
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: Each one that used to look like a high school

1358
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: game turns when we first started.

1359
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 5: Man, yeah, they tell me this like you was one

1360
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 5: of them dudes that was like back this back in

1361
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 5: the earlier mid two thousands. To see now at the game,

1362
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 5: at the league, and not just our league, but but

1363
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 5: pro sports. To see how these guys now have taken

1364
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 5: up even the hip hop industry, how they've taken up

1365
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 5: to going overseas to the hip hop but not the

1366
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 5: hip hopples, to the fashion shows and getting this in

1367
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 5: the fact, like you was doing this early fird codes

1368
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 5: design and stuff, and people looking at you like, man, yo,

1369
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 5: what's like? But you really was you really was going overseas,

1370
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, You was p J.

1371
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: Tuck or whoever they want to well before them style

1372
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: they call euro style. He used to word the fittish suits.

1373
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: I won't say tight suits, ye, fitted suits like Italian,

1374
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: not even just to.

1375
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 5: He was like he was really like going over there

1376
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 5: and sitting there. Yeah, like how do you look at

1377
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 5: it now? To see like people are on me about

1378
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 5: that now. It's like that's like the thing to do.

1379
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1380
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 4: They they used to kill me. Man, listen it for me,

1381
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 4: all right. So my mom and my dad. My dad's

1382
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 4: street dude, right, So my dad made his own clothes.

1383
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: My mom had her own boutique. My stepfather was a

1384
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 4: street dude.

1385
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: He was he was.

1386
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 4: He was a fashion guy. You know what I'm saying.

1387
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 4: So people didn't know that about me. I always love fashion.

1388
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 4: And then growing up, my grandmothers to saying my father's

1389
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 4: mother just saying so fashion was like our family, that's

1390
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 4: just who we are. But then I got into the pros.

1391
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 4: I got a little bit of money. I'm like, you

1392
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 4: know what I want to start. I got a nice body.

1393
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start my stuff. I want I want to

1394
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 4: Talian cut suits.

1395
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1396
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 4: I want my nice little cardigans and you know what

1397
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I want my little slacks. I want to

1398
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 4: wear with my how my dad used to dress. You

1399
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying because you think about it. Way back

1400
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 4: in the seventies, Cats had the nice suits on all

1401
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 4: day long and it wasn't baggy, right, they was fitted

1402
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 4: suits with.

1403
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 9: The yeah so so yeah.

1404
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 4: So I'm in New York and August in the fastest

1405
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 4: shows in September. I'm in Paris, I'm in London, right,

1406
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 4: I'm in I'm in Italy. I was loving it because

1407
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 4: it was just like to me, I'm like, wow, this

1408
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 4: is amazing. But then now and I was getting I mean,

1409
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 4: they was killing me left and right.

1410
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 3: It's all good.

1411
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 4: But because I knew who I was, it didn't matter

1412
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 4: to me. But you know, now I'm looking back and

1413
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 4: you see James hard and you see you see all

1414
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 4: guys go over there and they literally at these fast shows,

1415
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 4: and it's like you're kind of evolving as.

1416
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 5: Air Like yeah, Like it's That's what I'm saying, Like

1417
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 5: I really we talked about that a couple of times,

1418
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 5: just like when it's going on, we chilling whatever to

1419
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 5: create like yo, remember Cat used to do that way

1420
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 5: back in the day.

1421
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: Everybody be looking like yo.

1422
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: I was telling them before we did, like, hey man, Cat,

1423
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: they need to know like Cat was the first come

1424
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: in here Italian cut.

1425
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking about clean the head, the toe, like

1426
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: the Big Three.

1427
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 3: And there was a joke for us, you know Cat

1428
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 3: and Corey coming downstairs.

1429
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 10: What Cat got time out to Mike Larry's on one

1430
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 10: we had these boy was bad boys, except it wasn't

1431
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 10: no Mark, it was Mike and Mike.

1432
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 5: It was to Mike Larry. But this man gonna come

1433
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 5: down there dripping. He might have four three folk buttons undone.

1434
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 5: You got fifty fifty comedy. You know Fynna. He gotta

1435
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 5: be tight so he can show off his biceps and

1436
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 5: his muscles. You know, he got to show his I said, man,

1437
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 5: look at these two dudes, bro like this.

1438
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 2: You can't look boy.

1439
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 4: Y'all love that team. Y'all love that team. Yeah, that

1440
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 4: team was fun. Man, We had some fun. That Big

1441
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 4: Three team was fun.

1442
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 5: On listen that that's one of the still one of

1443
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 5: the best scenes. I mean, we had a chill, know

1444
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

1445
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 3: We got so much fun. We have so much fun.

1446
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: Start bench trade, Oh goodness, I don't like these. You

1447
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: gotta start one. You got bench one, You got a

1448
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: trade one. I got two of them for you as

1449
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: I got a dirty left, damon start of my Nick

1450
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: van Nexel, James Harden, who do you start?

1451
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: Who do you bench?

1452
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: Goodness? Damon start of Nick van Exel, James.

1453
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: Harden all dirty left, I'm starting, James, he's starting, James start.

1454
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 4: Got that that boy something his his height, about two

1455
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 4: fifty of muscle.

1456
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 3: That's that's another thing. An he passed better than them too.

1457
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1458
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 3: And then I'm out of the gout of nicking.

1459
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: And oh boy, Nick and Damon st.

1460
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Nick, big, bigger big. I love Dame,

1461
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 4: I do, but I'm gonna go Nick because he was.

1462
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 3: He was bigger.

1463
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 4: And think about open the game is down, where's no

1464
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 4: bigs in the paint? Nick van Exell, he was posting

1465
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 4: big guys up.

1466
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: And floating game jump game and speeding.

1467
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: Up tempos, fast break. Yeah, swimmer, mighty mouse. I love you,

1468
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 3: I love you, dog, I do.

1469
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: I promise I got another one for you in their

1470
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: prime the best r D Wade, Ray Allen, James Harden

1471
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: start bench cut.

1472
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: The wade, the wade first, the wade is first.

1473
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 2: That's the third.

1474
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 3: That's two guard effort.

1475
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 5: Third, best, thank you, thank you. He's very bad. I

1476
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,479
Speaker 5: know something else.

1477
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: Nobody out there on Twitter.

1478
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: On his I'm going ray.

1479
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: Going right Milwaukee.

1480
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 4: Jesus like Jesus shows Worth Milwaukee in and out.

1481
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: And look at you.

1482
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm going there like.

1483
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 2: I just like to ask.

1484
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 5: I love to hear this from you, in particular, because

1485
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 5: you know we all come from humble beginnings. But this

1486
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 5: ain't about what you did for mom or pops and

1487
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 5: no family. This is about some fantastic ship. What the cat,

1488
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 5: the Philly cat? What did the Philly cat do to

1489
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 5: treat yourself when you felt like, all right, I got

1490
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 5: I heard you this. I had to put someone. I

1491
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 5: don't know what these people do. But when you felt

1492
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 5: like I got a little change my party and I'm

1493
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 5: still got something, What did you do to treat us

1494
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 5: a lot? I worked pretty hard. I deserve something. What

1495
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 5: did you do that you might look back now? Your

1496
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 5: mature agents like, yo, that's a tripp. I wanted a

1497
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 5: crazy can.

1498
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 3: Tell you about tripping bro.

1499
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 4: I got an S six hundred, All white, all white insides.

1500
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: How dumb is that?

1501
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 5: All white inside is the only where you went wrong?

1502
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 5: Everything else is cool, all white.

1503
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 3: I wanted to all I don't know why.

1504
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 4: It got dirty so fast.

1505
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: I feel like you flow. Nobody in the car, Like,

1506
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: hold what you're doing? A towel down.

1507
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 4: I'm talking to my mom. I get the yellow hode. Now,

1508
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 4: don't eat, don't don't drink no water in here, don't drink.

1509
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 3: No water in the world. Man, it was so crazy.

1510
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 4: It's like it's like being a parent now and you

1511
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 4: get a nice couch and then you tell the kids

1512
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 4: don't touch the count Remember that when you was younger. Listen, listen,

1513
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 4: I'm going in the front room. I go in that front room.

1514
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 4: That was like me with that was crazy, man. Yeah,

1515
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 4: so that it was. It was fun for like a

1516
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 4: week or two. I think Steve bought it from me, actually,

1517
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Speaker 4: and he reapproached it inside. But that was the stupidest

1518
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 4: money I could have bought. Believe it, because I was

1519
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 4: so mad when people got in the car.

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Speaker 2: Hey, tell me this.

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Speaker 5: You you you recently started a podcast we talked about

1522
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 5: a long time ago.

1523
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 7: Tell me about your podcast and why you started it.

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm starting a podcast. I started a podcast

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01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 4: called Dad's point of View and yeah, Dad's point of

1526
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 4: View man, and the like. I don't want I don't

1527
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 4: want people to think that it's just about what a

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01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 4: dad thinks. But it's more so back in the father

1529
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 4: back in the dads in the world, right, because we're

1530
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: superheroes as well, And like I'm a super dad.

1531
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you like that.

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 4: Anybody knows me, they know like I'm a super dad,

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01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 4: I'm uber dad, I'm superdad. I'm an uncle and dad

1534
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 4: to your kids if you want me to be, I'm

1535
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 4: always trying to be there. And I think we get

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 4: the short end of the stick when it comes to

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01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 4: these different types of situations, right. We don't get to

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01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 4: really express our emotions and our fears or whatever it is,

1539
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 4: our anxieties that we do have right in providing for

1540
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 4: our family and when our kids go to school that

1541
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 4: will be safe. And you know, how am I going

1542
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 4: to provide later in life? Will I be here?

1543
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: Right?

1544
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 4: How strong do they see me as a person? And

1545
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 4: who inspired you at a very young age for you

1546
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 4: to become what you are as a person. And I

1547
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: want a lot of us guys out there and women

1548
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 4: at back, a lot of fathers that are like, you know,

1549
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 4: me and my daughter are super tight. And I love

1550
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 4: to see that that dad daughter kind of you know,

1551
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 4: because that's my baby girl.

1552
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 3: Right, she's the only one in the family.

1553
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 2: Girl.

1554
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: So I want I want people to really understand it.

1555
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 4: And we could talk about sports and everything, but I

1556
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 4: want to be more intimate when it comes to a

1557
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 4: dad and him being able to expose his vulnerabilities in

1558
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 4: life and letting people understand that we are human as well, right,

1559
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 4: We just not a checkbook. And you know, like for instance,

1560
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 4: you know if you go to the doctors, not my

1561
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 4: doctors now, because I don't play that. So you go

1562
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 4: to the pediatricians, and you go to the dentist, and

1563
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 4: you go to school, and you know, they talking to

1564
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 4: the mom and you standing right there like boo.

1565
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 3: Boo the fool. No no, no, no, no, look me in

1566
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 3: my face. They talk to me.

1567
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 2: Right.

1568
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 4: So me being a single dad for years, I know

1569
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 4: the principal, I know the vice principal. I know the

1570
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 4: school psychologists, I know the teachers, I know I know everything.

1571
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: I know all the little kids. They come up and

1572
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: they hug me.

1573
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 4: I feel better like that, right, I feel safer right

1574
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 4: because truth to be told. Right, we can fake it

1575
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 4: all we want, right. And women, you know, of course

1576
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 4: they women are the sensitive part of the family, but

1577
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 4: we are super sensitive as well. It's just that we

1578
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 4: get to shorten them the stick when it comes to that.

1579
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 4: How we expose our emotions, right, so nobody wants to

1580
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 4: really care about think about when Dad's sad or whatever

1581
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 4: it is, right because he has to fight that. Well,

1582
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 4: now we'll start to evolve as men. Right that mental

1583
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 4: incarceration you have to you know, you got to be

1584
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 4: able to talk to somebody, right, So I want you

1585
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: to be able to talk to me and tell me

1586
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 4: about like the happiness and all the different things that's

1587
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 4: going on in your life when you were scared because

1588
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 4: I you know, I went through a battle, you know,

1589
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 4: with child custody and you know, fifty to fifty and

1590
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 4: now it's you know, it's fine, and my kids are great,

1591
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 4: and the mom's fine. And now I think for me,

1592
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 4: I think what I've learned to do is just, first

1593
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 4: of all, you never take anything personal. Yeah, And it's

1594
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 4: hard to do, right. I always tell people all day

1595
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 4: every day it's like put your purpose before your ego,

1596
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,839
Speaker 4: especially when it involves someone else, and when it involves

1597
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 4: my children and everybody else out there in the world

1598
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 4: that I'm trying.

1599
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm trying to affect.

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01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 4: Your purpose becomes before your ego, right, And you know,

1601
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 4: I just want men to be able to understand that

1602
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 4: it's a safe place and you can be able to

1603
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 4: be vulnerable with inside this space because we've all been

1604
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 4: through it.

1605
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1606
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: Well, I just was at the Ellen Iverson game and

1607
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: I was telling the young cats that was there. I

1608
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: was like, man, I know you love your mom and

1609
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: your mom is everything and so for a phone, but

1610
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: learn how to talk to a man. One thing me

1611
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: and us as men don't do until we get older

1612
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: is actually learn how to look a man in the

1613
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: face and be vulnerable to a man or even talk

1614
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: to a man. The best way to learn how to

1615
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: be a man is to talk to a man, and

1616
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: a lot of men don't talk to other man. We

1617
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: kind of bump our heads because everybody don't have a

1618
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: father figure just in their life like that. One of

1619
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: the big things I liked these playoffs was just seeing

1620
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: John Morant dad call Anthony Towns that because our era,

1621
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot of that lot, you know what

1622
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying, in their life, Like I always love seeing

1623
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: c and his dad in his relationship. Unfortunately he lost

1624
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: his mom, but for him to just have a man

1625
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: in the house for him to teach him how to

1626
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: be a man.

1627
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: Man like. That's big and I didn't have that. I

1628
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 2: had my.

1629
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: Mom, you know, but I was telling them, you don't

1630
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: cast like man. Just learn how to be vulnerable to

1631
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: a man that you respect, and learn how to talk

1632
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: to a man in his face. And don't be scared

1633
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:14,839
Speaker 1: to be like, oh.

1634
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: You're weak.

1635
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: That man gonna look like you're weak, or you a

1636
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: punk or you solt for you because you're being vulnerable.

1637
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: Out of all the.

1638
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: Teams you played for, if you could pick four other

1639
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: guys to play with, who would be them? Four other

1640
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: guys out of all the teammates you had over your

1641
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: whole career, not nothing of the big three guys because

1642
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: we don't count down, but I'm talking about the real.

1643
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would do grand Hill at the three.

1644
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I would do.

1645
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: Dwight Howard at the four, y'all mean at the.

1646
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: Five franchise at the one.

1647
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, Mike Bibby, Oh, bib Mike Bibby at the one.

1648
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 2: That's a crazy five man, y'all, you can forget that one.

1649
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 3: Everything swallowed up.

1650
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 5: It's been real. We've been chilling, pulling up with the

1651
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 5: Philly cat Man. I appreciate you. The real Uncle jud

1652
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 5: the real life Uncle Drew is still get you forty

1653
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 5: right now.

1654
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 2: The world's most interested man man.

1655
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,519
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1656
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