1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it punt? Is it put? Oh my goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins pot he put it for dockdown. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: You've got to be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: presented by the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams. 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvic all right, head on a swivel. Here. 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: I can't help but note that we are missing two 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: prominent things here on this edition of Cardinals Underground. One 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Kyle order Guard. We'll get to him in a minute. 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: Number two a neck tattoo from Darren Herman as Darren 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: finally turns to his right where Kyle would typically be seated. 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: No more the ping pong effect, no more the tennis 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: so back and forth. No, so it's just us one 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: on one, okay, And I do not detect a neck 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: tat So does that make it any more or less 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: likely that Larry Fitzgerald will come back in twenty twenty one? 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: How'd that work? Again? Yeah, that's that. I don't know 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: if there's a direct line there. Paul thought there was 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: a cause and effect there. Well, I mean, Larry did 28 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: make some kind of comment about me getting a neck 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: tattoo of the sons, but okay, we've kind of put 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: that in the back burner now that at this point 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: as we record this, where everybody just hoping that their 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: sons can actually wrap that thing up and get to 33 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: the final. Thankfully for you, Larry's preoccupied with his team. 34 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: He's trying to make a run to the NBA finals. 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: That's good. That wouldn't stop him from stirring the crap though, 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: we don't now. Yeah, speaking of stirring it up, if 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: I can borrow your soup spoon over there, I have 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: a theory not just on Larry that'll come a little 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: bit later on Kyle. Do we have an APB on 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: the whereabouts of Kyle to guard? Because moments ago I 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: saw a tweet from NNGS Next Gen Stats and in 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: screaming capital letters, they tweeted out the next Gen Stats 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: team is hiring. We're looking for experience analysts with a 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: passion for football and analytics to join the NGS Product 45 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: and engineering team for this upcoming season. Are you trying 46 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: to get rid of him? I'm just wondering, are you 47 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: sure that Kyle out from unbeknownst to you, Darren or 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: but the guy who hired him, he isn't trying to 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: look for a gig that involves According to the job description, 50 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: here's one line. You need to have knowledge of query 51 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: database using SQL, Python or R to uncover new stats 52 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: slash splits. Oh maybe maybe can you send me that tweet? 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: Maybe my son could get involved in that. Actually, that 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 1: actually would have somebody. A wise person once told me, 55 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: somebody's on Darren's couch anyway, proceed. A wise person once 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: told me you should always be interested in being interested 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to employment. So that's good. If Kyle 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: wants to If Kyle wants to be interested. I can't. 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: I can't blame him. Okay, all right, well he's not here, 60 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: so let the discussion commence about leadership real quick. Though. 61 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm serious about that tweet. I need it from the 62 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: son al. We won't be getting in just survival analysis, forecasting, hurry, probability. Okay, 63 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: we won't do it because we don't have to do 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 1: it is Kyle's not here, So okay, what we will 65 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: do is talk about Kyle Lure Murray and what did 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: I see from Steve Kim and Darren? What's going on here? 67 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: Did you get a scoop with the GM? How exact 68 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: is this fresh? Steve Kim content talking about his franchise quarterback. 69 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: It is fresh because because the boys of they're making 70 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: the new flight Plan episode sat him down for some 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: stuff and I weaseled my way into the room so 72 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: I could ask a couple of questions, and there was 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: just I just wanted to ask him basically. Now that 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: we're in the third year of Kyler Murray, I mean, 75 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: even once you draft him that first year he's a 76 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: rookie year, you want to see where he goes. That 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: second year, you're trying to see what kind of steps forward. 78 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: I wait a minute, he was the rookie of the 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: year and he was a pro bowler in year two. Exactly. 80 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm not there, there's nothing. But the point of my 81 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: question to the general manager here was now that we're 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: two that third year, because of the things you just mentioned, 83 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: I mean, how much headspace does he really take up 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: for you now that there's a million other things you're 85 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: probably thinking about? I mean, because I'm guessing the last 86 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: couple of years, Kyler Murray was probably first and foremost 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: in terms of even what the GM was thinking about 88 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: on a daily basis and where to go with that. 89 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: But now are does it? Does it dial it back 90 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: a little? That's an apt question because in that very 91 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: the very chair you're sitting in, up until three years ago, 92 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: Steve Kyme would appear for an offseason addition to the 93 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, and he'd say the same thing every time. 94 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: There isn't a day that goes by where I don't 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: think about who's our next franchise quarterback? Right, And so yeah, 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: that no longer weighs mightily on the mind or the 97 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: shoulders of the GM. So that was the gist of 98 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: your story. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I 99 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: just it wasn't super deep, you know, or in the 100 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: off season. There's there's not a lot to say about 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: Kyler at this point that hasn't already been said this offseason. 102 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: But I that was the gist of it, and especially 103 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: once you know, Steve said, you know, ultimately, and I'm 104 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: paraphrasing because I don't have in front of me that 105 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't. I mean, he feels really really good about 106 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: the quarterback room right now, and he was saying in general, 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: but obviously that starts and goes about ninety percent to 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Anyways, Yeah, here it is. I would say 109 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: my confidence at the position and in general is at 110 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: a real high. And so there you go. And you know, oh, look, 111 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: last time you had a quarterback in Arizona Cardinals quarterback 112 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl was the years that the Cardinals 113 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: went to the NFC Championship game, whether it was Kurt 114 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: Warner two thousand and eight or Carson Palmer twenty fifteen. 115 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: So okay, I've heard good things about Colton McCoy being 116 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: in that room now, and maybe that Texas connection will 117 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: bit about. Hey, you know, when Kyler was growing up, quote, 118 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: McCoy was a big deal in Austin, you know, playing 119 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: for the Longhorns. So I think there's some mutual respect 120 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: there and Colt McCoy might be a real good influence 121 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: on Kyler Murray. Now what that means, now that translates 122 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: out into the field, We're all going to find out. 123 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: But you know, Kyler Murray was quoted on Easy Cardinals 124 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: dot Com and I'm not exactly sure where this one 125 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: came from. Was this from his press comments where he said, 126 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: emotionally last year was frustrating? Okay, okay, all right. So 127 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: but based on that and the fact that Kyler cited, 128 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: how you know what not playing into the postseason, I'm 129 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: not used to that. And so that's a motivating factor 130 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals quarterback despite the fact that the division 131 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: is loaded and you have Matthew Stafford getting all this 132 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 1: love and everything that Sean McBay is saying, and obviously 133 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and the regular season Seahawks who just went 134 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: twelve and four. And then I heard Mike Garifolo NFL 135 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: dot comment it was actually Good Morning Football and NFL 136 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Network made a comment that the word out of Niners camp, 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: at least the offseason camp is that Trey Lance is 138 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: much farther along than people had anticipated when it comes 139 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: to the playbook in terms of processing the football IQ 140 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: part of playing quarterback. And it really makes you wonder, 141 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: could Trey Lance due to Jimmy g what Russell Wilson 142 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: did once upon a time twenty twelve to Matt Flynn possibly, 143 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: although the difference there is Matt Flynn. I mean everybody 144 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: expected him. They just signed him to the Giant deal 145 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: and he had never played regular football. And so I mean, 146 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers know what they have 147 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: in Jimmy Garoppolo, and we all know that once they 148 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: drafted Trey Lance, the little flashing red light on Jimmy 149 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Garoppolo's time in San Francisco was was, you know, getting faster. 150 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: So I mean, I wouldn't be completely stunned without because 151 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: here's the thing, all things being equal, and maybe they 152 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: are and maybe they aren't, but Lance is your guy 153 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: in the future. And I think we've gotten to the point, 154 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: Paul where and we saw it with Kyler Murray. I mean, 155 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: there's there's no reason to wait on a guy anymore. 156 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: You want him to be good. But the clock is 157 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: ticking on everybody whether it's a rookie quarterback contract or 158 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: the coaches that coach them. I mean, as good as 159 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has been. If if they struggle the next 160 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: couple of years, no matter what happens, where where does 161 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: that go? Hey? Three out of his four years they 162 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: lost ten games or more. They've had double digit losses 163 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: in three of his four years as head coach of 164 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Now they've been riddled with injury 165 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: two of those years. In the first year he took 166 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: over at dumpster Fire, I get it. And then the 167 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: outlier season they went all the way to the Super 168 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: Bowl and they led with seven minutes to go. So okay, 169 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: I understand that. But you can see the urgency in 170 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: a Kyle Shanahan making that deal. And you're right, there's 171 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: a big difference between drafting to Russell Wilson in round 172 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: three and trading up two number three overall and taking 173 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Trey Lance. So there is a big And you're right 174 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: to me, if if there's any sense that guess what 175 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: Trey Lance is indeed the guy and the rest of 176 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: the team, the entire locker room senses you know what coach, 177 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: he's the guy? Which if you hit the rewind button. 178 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: Is exactly what happened in Seattle. Pete Carroll was gonna 179 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: lose the locker room if he didn't go with the kid, 180 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson over Matt Flint. At that point, I mean, again, 181 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: these guys, they're gonna want to win. If Trey Lance 182 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: has shows some things that Jimmy G can't do, and 183 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: he's competent enough in the other things that Jimmy G 184 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: can do, it doesn't make any sense to sit on it, 185 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: you know. So they had this roundtable discussion speaking a 186 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: Good Morning Football, pick your winner of the NFC West. 187 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: So you had one selection of the Rams off the top, 188 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: you had another one for the Seahawks, you had one 189 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: for the Niners. So the host of this segment then 190 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: came back and said, all right, you three panelists, what's 191 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: it going to take for the Cardinals to compete? Because 192 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: they were the only team that was not chosen as 193 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: a possible winner in champion in the NFC West, and 194 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Kyle Brandt among others, said, you know what, Kyler Murray's 195 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: got to become a top eight quarterback and take that 196 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: next step like Josh Allen just In, which is intriguing 197 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: because if you believe the Pro Bowl nomination, he's a 198 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: top six quarterback. There were three quarterbacks in the NFC. 199 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: The other two are named Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. 200 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: But at the same time we saw an inconsistent or 201 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: uneasy even twenty twenty. So I'll put the same question 202 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: to you, Darren Urban here on Cardinals Underground, brought to 203 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: you by a Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the 204 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. What is it going to take for the 205 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals to compete with those other three heavy weights? 206 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: And I say that with the Niners getting healthy and 207 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: have the track a record of going into the Super 208 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: Bowl two years ago and actually be a viable contender 209 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: for a division ground, well, for me, I would say 210 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: I don't even want to bring up health because I 211 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: think that's that's straight across the board for every team. 212 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: If you don't stay healthy, you're going to have a 213 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: tough time seriously competing. But so let's say that's a given. 214 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: I agree, I'm not going to necessarily top eight quarterback. 215 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: I don't really know in the end what that really means, 216 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: but I do think Kyler Murray has to be better 217 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: than he was last year, and he was pretty good 218 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: last year, but he needs to be better, needs to 219 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: be more consistent. I think. I think aj Green has 220 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: to give you solid number two wide receiver work. You know, 221 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: whether that that might only be fifty or sixty catches, 222 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers might say, but he's 223 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: got to give you that guy so that Christian Kirk 224 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: can work in the slot and that DeAndre Hopkins isn't 225 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: harassed all the time as your one skill guy. And 226 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: then to me, the other main thing at this point 227 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: for me would be defensively. The Chandler Jones JJ Watt 228 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: thing has to work, which I think it will, but 229 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's got to be there, and you've 230 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: got to get solid play from those inside linebackers. I mean, 231 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have to be Pro Bowl stuff because 232 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: they're so young, but yeah, oh that's what you need 233 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: for me, and I agree you can start with the 234 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: two young inside linebackers, but if you're gonna hit zoom 235 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: out big picture on the big Red, I'm just gonna 236 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: go with the acquisition of all the thirty somethings, whether 237 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: it's Malcolm Butler or JJ Watt or Rodney Hudson or 238 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: a J. G. And I'll throw Chandler Jones in there 239 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: coming back from injury. These are all key cogs that 240 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: have had some glory years, but they're a year or 241 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: two or three removed. Robert Alford, We're all removed from 242 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: our glory years. It's that category, all right. Can anyone 243 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: here claim to be in the eighteen to thirty four demo? 244 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. So you know what, just go ahead and 245 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: get in line around here. Our Cardinals underground. So, by 246 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: the way, speaking of DeAndre Hopkins in AJ Green, I 247 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: actually did not see this, but you had mentioned d 248 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: hop ended up number seventeen overall in the Pro Football 249 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: Focus rankings, and that's all players in the league. But 250 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: they go top fifty. They don't go like NFL dot 251 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: Com down on top fifty players in the league. Right now, 252 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins was the loan Cardinal on the top fifty list. 253 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: He was number seventeen, but he was the number two 254 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: receiver really, so behind was ahead of Adams. There was 255 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: a couple tight ends ahead of him with Kelsey and Kittle, 256 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: but in terms of wide receivers, he was number two 257 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: and I just thought it was kind of interesting where 258 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: they put him. I mean, I think he absolutely belongs 259 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: in there. I think it's interesting that, you know, maybe 260 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker could have been in there. But again, when 261 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: you're talking about fifty players across the board, not in 262 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: a conference or whatever, Okay, you know who was that 263 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: one ranking? And this might be the most outlandish happening 264 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: of the all season? What was the ranking at Buddha Baker? 265 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: Is this sixteenth best safety in the league. I don't 266 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: know if that was. I think that was a PFF 267 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: thing because wasn't he mad at them? I'm pretty sure. 268 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: So there's no way he's gonna be a top fifty player, 269 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: true when he's a top sixteen safety, yeah, in the NFL, 270 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: which so which calls everything into question, to be honest 271 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: with him. By the way, the Cardinals c is still 272 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: seem to be a little light at tight end on 273 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: the old depth chart. So does that matter? Is that 274 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: a big deal? Are we still waiting around here? Are 275 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: we still in the waiting room? Tick talk on a 276 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: tight end? Well? I know you are upset, Paul. When 277 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Kelliff Kingsbury came out at one point and said we're 278 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: going to be adding to that room, and then it 279 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: didn't happen. I felt like you were just waiting for 280 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: that shot. Now, wait a minute, there's always at least 281 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: one kime time sign, So if we're tracking for a 282 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: kime time sign, it's gotta be tight end, gotta be 283 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: tight end. What are the Eagles gonna do with zach Ertz. Well, 284 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: he's not a free agent, so maybe they just keep him. 285 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: But he's not participating in the rowtas he's not there, 286 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: there's no expectation that he's gonna be there. So is 287 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: he gonna be released? Is he going to be traded? 288 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: Give me an answer on zach Ertz, and then I'll 289 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: tell you what's next for the Cardins of tight I 290 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, i'm if I'm the Cardinals the 291 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: way I use tight ends. I don't know if I 292 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: want to add an eight million dollar tight end right now, 293 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: do you? No? I do, And I think that might 294 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: be part of the delay. The Cardinals want to do 295 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: not want to trade for zach Ertz. They don't want 296 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: to take over that contract. They don't want to give 297 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: up any sort of asset or capital to get him. 298 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: And I think that the Cardinals think the Eagles are 299 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: going to be forced to release zach Ertz. Why would 300 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: they be forced to release him? I never understood that 301 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: concept because he's unhappy. The particulars of this situation, including 302 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: his unhappiness, and I'm not sure he really fits with 303 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: the new regime and perhaps what they have in mind, 304 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: and he's not necessarily on board. And you know, it's 305 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: the old thing. When you have a brand new, unproven 306 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: head coach, you don't want the disgruntled veterans. I get 307 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: it in that room, So I get it. I don't know. 308 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: I certainly am not going to go with the fact 309 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't at OTAs. I mean, if we're going to 310 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: go down that road, then the Cardinals might not have 311 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, which I am not saying they're not going 312 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: to they I fully believe Chandler Jones is gonna play 313 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: for them this year without too big of a deal. 314 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: So what about camp? Is he? I mean, we're team 315 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: minus just over one month away from camp. Not even 316 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: do you expect him to be there on day one 317 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: reporting for camp? Or am I now officially stirring it 318 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: up by even posting I feel like you're string I mean, 319 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's an unfair question since he was 320 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: not at many camp. I mean, I think it's fair 321 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: for people to wonder about that, But he hasn't said 322 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: anything like that. I think I forget what the rules are. 323 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: I think you have to report by the tenth day 324 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: or something like that of training camp without you know, 325 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: incurring any kind of issues with your contracts. So again, 326 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the same thing about Chandler Jones. And 327 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: this is kind of where I would go with Zach Ertz, 328 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: which is if a player doesn't want to play that 329 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: year and he just wants to sit out and he's 330 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: in his last year, I mean, you you're you're putting 331 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: yourself in a tough position because even if you somehow 332 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: come in and play part of the year, I mean, 333 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: who's going to pay you off a partial year where 334 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: you're disgruntled and you're older? I mean, you know. And 335 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: that's why I think I think Chandler Jones is going 336 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: to come back and say I need a big year 337 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: to get paid big time if if the Cardinals are 338 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: not going to extend me. Now, I don't think he's 339 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: he would be thrilled that he's not extended now, but 340 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: I think he needs to play in it. If you're 341 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: zach Ertz, I mean, you don't want to throw away 342 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: one of your few years left. I don't know. I 343 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: just some of that just kind of makes me raise 344 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: my eyebrow a little bit. Have there been any reports 345 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: out there as to what Chandler Jones team Chandler might 346 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: be looking for in terms of barbecue chicken. I mean, again, 347 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: we don't. We haven't heard anything from Chandler of why 348 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: he missed Mini camp in the first place. We're all 349 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: assuming it's contract related, but at no point has anybody 350 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: said other than like DJ Humphrey saying, well, it's a 351 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: business and Buddhist saying it's a business. I mean, we're 352 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: making that assumption, but Chandler hasn't said one word about him, 353 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: so it's a valid point. I don't want to. I 354 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: don't want to get my cart in front of the 355 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones horse because I saw a story recently and 356 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation about Jamal Adams and 357 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: what's his approach, and the Seahawks continue to be positive 358 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: about Jamal Adams and he'll be here and he's gonna 359 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: get paid we're gonna get a deal worked out. Is 360 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams looking for twenty million years? I'm looking for 361 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year. Paul. There are only ten 362 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: defenders if I saw this stat right, only ten defensive 363 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: players who are making twenty million plus. Nine of those 364 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: ten are pass rushers. The loan exception would be Jalen 365 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: Ramsey of the Rams, which I think based on what 366 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: we saw of the two games last year, especially him 367 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: going against Hop. Yeah, that's legit. I mean it's not 368 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: often I'm gonna say, you know what you earned every penny. 369 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: You're a twenty million per year. Jalen Ramsey is one 370 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: of those guys. The question is will Jamal Adams be 371 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: one of those guys? And then somebody brought up Buddha Baker. Well, 372 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker's signed for about fifteen million a year without 373 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: a single pick on his resume, and then he end 374 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: up with his first interceptions this past season. I think 375 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: he may. I think he proved that he was worth 376 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: the contract last year. By the way, are you're ready 377 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: for a power poll? Are you ready for anything? You pay? 378 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: When I notice your your energy is waning, I need 379 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: a June July Power Poll. Here we go, here's the latest. 380 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm ready the QB coach duo that is under the 381 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: most pressure Top five Bucky Brooks, former NFL player and 382 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: scout NFL dot Com. The QB coach duo under the 383 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: most pressure this coming season. There's a top five cared 384 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: A guests right off the top before I reveal him 385 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: one by one. I do believe that the McVay Stafford 386 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: duo is there. Ding on family feud you got the time. 387 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised to not see Kyler and Cliff, 388 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: to be honest, That's why I clicked on it. Yeah, 389 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: I was curious too. They were not named McVay and 390 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford were number one basically because the Rams gambled 391 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: the house. They're all in. They traded away not only 392 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: Jared Goff, but two other first round picks, so they're 393 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: all in. A Matthew Stafford number two, John Harbaugh and 394 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson just because of all the regular season success 395 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: in an MVP award by Lamar Jackson, but very little playoffs. 396 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I struggle with that one a little 397 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: bit because I think I think a lot of teams, 398 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: including this one wouldn't mind being the Ravens right now 399 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: with all this regular season success and having chances and 400 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: having an MVP young MVP type quarterback. But that's just me. 401 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: Frank Reich and Carson Wentz number three. That's because the 402 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: rest of the roster most person all experts think is 403 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: super Bowl ready. They're stout on defense, the old line 404 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: is exceptional. They're underrated in terms of the weapons. So 405 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: if the head coach can get the quarterback right like 406 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: he did a couple of years in a row in Philadelphia, 407 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: then guess what Colts could be that dark dark horse 408 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: AFC contender. If you don't have a quarterback, it's really tough. 409 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: This one needs to be closer than number one. John 410 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: Gruden and Derek Carr. I mean they're entering their four 411 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: season together. There are ten games below five hundred cumulative, 412 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: having sniffed the postseason, and then number five, which easily 413 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: could be number one as well. Matt Naggie and either 414 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton or Justin Fields out of the Bears. So yeah, 415 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: but see the thing about that is like, is Justin 416 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: Fields really under a lot of pressure? I don't think 417 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: he is. Now maybe Matt Naggi is, but Justin Fields 418 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: is a rookie, so he's That's that's why I don't 419 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: That's the one that I have an issue with a 420 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: little bit, is like, how do you how do you 421 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: say that that's a duo that's under pressure. Yeah, there's 422 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: enough pressure on Matt Naggie for both parts of that duo. Yeah, 423 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, I guess and I do agree with you 424 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: on that one. Obviously. If you're Justin Fields, you know 425 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: you have a grace period of a couple of years. 426 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of Chicago, you got a mail 427 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: bag question from a long time Cardinals fan going back 428 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: to the Chicago Cardinals, and it was interesting. I flipped 429 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: through it and he was wondering about the alternate helmets. Yeah, 430 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: and that is a question we've kicked around whether our 431 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: Jim Almahundro noted Cardinals historian. And I just said, well, 432 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what would the alternate helmet be. I 433 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: don't remember a time where it wasn't a white helmet 434 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: if you go back. And I did a quick Google 435 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: search because he cited his favorite player of all time, 436 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: Ali mattson the Hall of Famer. I said, when exactly 437 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: to Dolly Matson play well, it was in the fifties 438 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: and if you do a quick Google search, Chicago Cardinals 439 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: is some of the images. There are a lot of pictures, 440 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: including one on the cover of Sports Illustrated nineteen fifty 441 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: seven of him wearing a solid cardinal red helmet, no 442 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: bird logo, no logo of any sort, just solid cardinal 443 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: red face mask. Was great. It was a single bar 444 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: face mask. Okay, okay, sort of like Kevin Butler back 445 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: in the day for the car you Gotta Got. So 446 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: are we thinking, first off, would every team no have 447 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: to go? No? Well, first of all, this wouldn't be 448 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: like a theme night on Thursday Night. But all the 449 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: all the league is saying is it's it's an option 450 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: if you want to use it. It certainly doesn't mean 451 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: every team is going to do it. And I knew 452 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: as soon as I posted the news that everybody's gonna 453 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: be like, well, we don't even have good jerseys, so 454 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: what does it matter about helmets and all this stuff. Um, 455 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: But the reason it came out was because and there 456 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: will be no alternate helmets in twenty twenty one. But 457 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: the rule, or however they're putting this together is is 458 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: you have to declare by the end of July or 459 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: the beginning of July, sometime in July if you're going 460 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: to use an alternate helmet in twenty twenty two, so 461 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: we're we're season away from even seeing any of these, 462 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: but it does give some options if you're Tampa Bay 463 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: and you want to do the creams of Coals one time, 464 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: which you know, as somebody at my age, I would 465 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: love to see the Buccaneers do the creams of Coals 466 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: with the old school. Really, Oh my god, you love them. 467 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean really, it's nostalgia. They were horrendous then and 468 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: they haven't aged well. Oh no, see I disagree. See 469 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: I I don't know if they were great in the 470 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: first place, but now I'm I'm definitely got that that nostalgia. Look, 471 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: did the Denver the Denver helmets with the d with 472 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: the helmet? I like that better than the old school 473 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: than than the new one. Okay, all right, I'm feeling that. 474 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I mean, I guess. So does 475 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: there need to be precedent? Does a team need to 476 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: have worn the helmet once upon a time or you 477 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: can you devise? No, I think I think the helmet 478 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: has to have it needs to look like a helmet 479 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: that was once that once existed. I don't think you 480 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: can just pull one out of ear come out some 481 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: some radical Matt Black sort of New Age Cardinal's helmet, don't. 482 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: I don't believe that's where the helmet is actually the 483 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: entire head. So you get a massive eye on either side, 484 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: and then the face mask is yellow for the beak, 485 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: and then that would be no. But you would have 486 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: to do something. If you do something new, that would 487 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: have to be your primary helmet. And I'm fairly I'm 488 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: feeling fairly confident that a traditional laden family like the 489 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: Bidwells are not looking to overhaul the helmet. I say, okay, 490 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: all right, are they looking to go after the scouting combine? 491 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: I was at for a segue because there's there's more 492 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: NFL news about what's I'm just gonna forecast here that 493 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: if you put it to a vote of the NFL 494 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: owners and Scottsdale was bidding on the combine in late February, 495 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to ask the owners twice. Come out 496 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: to the AC in late February, play some golf, hang 497 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: out at our world class resorts, and oh, while you're 498 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: at it hold of combine. Okay, here's the problem with that. 499 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: The problem is one the owners. The combine isn't the 500 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: owner's deal, that's the owners meetings. Where where are you 501 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: going to do it? Here? See the here's but see 502 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: the reason Indianapolis is so good for the combine and 503 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: I you know, I've been around it for I mean 504 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: last year was the first year in what twenty years 505 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: that I haven't been in indian in February. Um, the 506 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: reason it's so good is because you have a ton 507 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: of hotels, you have a convention center, you have a stadium, 508 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: and you have medical facilities within like five miles there 509 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: even closer, and you have all that right like right 510 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: in this tight little two square mile area. Whatever you're 511 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: saying is the key, I think it is everybody can 512 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: walk everywhere everywhere they need to go in Indianapolis. All 513 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: these other cities, I don't know how you do. That's 514 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: certainly not here. Like you say, the convention center, So 515 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. You're gonna like have guys 516 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: run the forty in the middle of the ballroom as 517 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: opposed to oh I see it, as opposed to the end, 518 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: like they go to the so, but you can't hold 519 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: it out at the stadium here because there's only one 520 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: hotel and it's way far flung from everything else. Well, look, 521 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: if the dollars are right and the bid is is 522 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: right there, then they'll make it work. They'll figure out 523 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: there's a reason why it is and it's gonna end up. 524 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: It'll be in La a time or two because of 525 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: what they're building out there. And I you know that 526 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: this has been anticipated for a long time. Um, And 527 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: clearly I wouldn't mind going to La more than Indie sometimes. 528 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mind Indie. It's been a fine 529 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: place and I don't mind hanging out there, but I 530 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: just for the job that they're trying to do. But again, 531 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: the NFL is trying to make money off of this, 532 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: and not just from cities bidding for it, but also 533 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: they've they've turned it into a TV event and event 534 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: for fans and um, when it originally was all about 535 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, getting height, weight and meta coals and doing 536 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: a couple of drills for football players. And like the 537 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: NFL does, it's turned it into a moneymaker, which you 538 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: gotta give them thumbs up for that. Oh did they 539 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: not just realize that, you know what, maybe the combine 540 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: isn't quite as essential as we thought. They were just 541 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: able to conduct a draft without it. Well, so maybe 542 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: now it is more for show than it is for football. Well, yes, 543 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: they just conducted, but we don't know. We don't know 544 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: the outcome of what they just conducted. I mean, we're 545 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: not going to know that until after this draft class 546 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: goes through there and maybe at some point, especially if 547 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys that end up being medical 548 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: problems that maybe you would have found in the old 549 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: old time medical deal or how all over that worked. 550 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: You know, we don't know not having the combine, but 551 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: I do think we're moving in that direction, and it's 552 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how this all goes. 553 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: Because if you can figure out ways to not need 554 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: a combine for the football but the league wants it 555 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: for the entertainment value of the offseason, you're gonna have 556 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: to You're gonna you might start having some issues with 557 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: some of these players wanting to go in the first place, 558 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: meaning they need an appearance fee, maybe they need to 559 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: be compensated. Maybe interesting, because you're right, if a big 560 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: name is gonna draw a lot of attention a lot 561 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: of viewers and eyeballs to the forty. Then wait a minute, 562 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: am I just shouldn't I be compensated for this? I'm 563 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: no longer a college athlete, and that is intriguing, no 564 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: nout about it. Which is funny you bring that up 565 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: to college athlete because I just saw an article now 566 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: with the nil in college will will there be a 567 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: chance that some football players, Uh, well, there's argue that 568 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: they might be convinced to stay in college longer because 569 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna retain they'll have a better chance of being 570 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: a star in college, and that the the main guy 571 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 1: that they talked about in the article was Scooby Right. 572 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: I saw that because there was a big splashy picture 573 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: above the fold of a inside linebacker where number fifty 574 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: six with a carl and I said to myself, who 575 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: is that? And the point was if he had been 576 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: able to get paid in college when he was a superstar, 577 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: which he was before he got hurt, he actually might 578 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: have done better. And he had acknowledged that if he 579 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: was getting paid in college on his name and likeness 580 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: that maybe it would have stopped him from coming out 581 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: when he did, right, because well, especially after the knee injury. Yeah, 582 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna be a Day one 583 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: draft pick. In fact, he was a Day three draft pick. 584 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: It was right at the end of the draft. But 585 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: he was a big deal in Tucson early in his career. 586 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: Fifteen sacks the year before he got hurt, fifteen really 587 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: as an inside linebacker. Yeah, he was good. I mean, 588 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: I do remember they had a phenomenal year that I 589 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: love saying that about a wild Cat. And in Tucson, 590 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: where you have a is King, you have a is 591 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: the only game in town. Yeah, you're darn right. He 592 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: could have made a lot of money off his name image, 593 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: And like you, you would think, I don't. I don't 594 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: know that for a fact. Maybe he would have, Maybe wouldn't. 595 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, I think what happens in college 596 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: is going to be interesting to watch because you know 597 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: you are going to I mean, ninety nine point nine 598 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: percent of these players, I don't know how many national 599 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: people are going to be interested in them, And locally, 600 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: there's only going to be a couple on each team 601 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: that maybe you want to you want to use in 602 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: your local commercial or something. But I mean, think about it. 603 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: Just locally like ASU, like popular players who didn't really 604 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: have much of a future in the NFL and Manny 605 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: Wilkins and Mike BERKOVICI these are guys who, maybe there 606 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: are senior years at ASU could have raked in some cash. Yeah, 607 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: and you know, you know bench sure, I mean guys 608 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: who great personalities, loved by the ASU fan base, and 609 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: you're in a big top ten media market like Phoenix, 610 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: and sure there's money to be made and endorsements and 611 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: so forth. Yeah, that's interesting. That's that's really interesting. Um okay, 612 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: speaking of the dollars, let's just bottom line it. Larry Fitzgerald, 613 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: where are we on this? Where is fits? I was 614 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: stuck at a youth baseball game for the most recent 615 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: Suns game at home. Game five was a courtside. Again 616 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: was Larry courtside? You know what? I did not see 617 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 1: anything from him at Game five, But I will be honest, 618 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: that was tough to watch all the way around, so 619 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't watching for the sideline. I see. You know 620 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: what Larry needs to do. He needs to do to 621 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: Paul George with that NBA referee did to Trey Young. 622 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: He needs to stick his foot out and somehow trip 623 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: off or better yet, maybe you know get it. But 624 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley, who's got it coming? Some of these guys 625 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: who are stirring it up over there, the instigators that 626 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: the Clippers are. You know, Larry needs to maybe have 627 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: an inverted foot they can trip over and twist their ankle. 628 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: That's just wrong, Paula. I don't care. So I have 629 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: two theories tied right now for the culphouse lead when 630 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: it comes to fits, because I see you field it 631 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: at two theories. There was at least one question the 632 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: mail bag about what people think you're holding out on 633 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. You realize that Darren, they want info on Larry. 634 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: They think you're holding out. You're not telling all. So 635 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: once I don't think people understand how much I really 636 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: want this over with myself. So um, I wrote some 637 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: good stuff that I want to push out to the world. Okay, 638 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: so the probably the most likely, well he the most 639 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: likely scenarios. Guess what Larry's done. He hasn't told anyone. 640 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna have fun with this and you 641 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: think there is a future in football for Larry, I 642 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: think the most likely scenario at this point is that 643 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: he goes all Dwight Freeney and he shows up in 644 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: late September. The last three years of Dwight Freeney's career, 645 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: he didn't show up, continuing me like he was gonna 646 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: strip sack Teddy Bridgewater. No, he's not gonna go Brandon 647 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: Jacobs and go from running back to defensive end. Which 648 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: sorry talking. Remember I said that recently on the Cardinals Underground. 649 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: I said that Derrick Henry reminds me of Brandon Jacobs 650 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: when you look in the backfield and what did I say? 651 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: Why is the defensive end playing running back? And then 652 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: boom like LaVar ball, popa ball. I spoke it into existence, 653 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, there's a story about Brandon 654 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: Jacobs getting interest from NFL team that he Brandon Jacobs, 655 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: he could he could get interest. You know, he could 656 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: be a pass rusher off the edge from He's the 657 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: one thing he's getting interest. I haven't heard that is true. 658 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: He hasn't signed on the line that's dotted. You're right, um, 659 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: And then the only other feasible theory I think at 660 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: this point, and we've we've named him all, I'm going 661 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: to go back to one. I think I used in 662 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: April at some point with an obvious hole at tight 663 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: end on the depth chart. Right now, Jesus, have we 664 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: had a visual on Larry? I mean, you know, have 665 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: we really been able to assess is Larry I mean, 666 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: for a lack of better way to say it, it is, 667 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: is he let himself go? I mean, has he put 668 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: on a good twenty pounds in the offseason? Is he 669 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: purposely maybe tracking towards the body mass of a tight end? 670 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: You know? Is is this something where you know Larry 671 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: could be some what of a flex tight end type? 672 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't tell me he blocks any worse 673 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: than you know, Dan Arnold or a Ricky Seals Jones 674 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: or Rob Housler or Leonard Pope. I mean, you know 675 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: Cardinal's bad blocking tight ends for five hundred. You know, 676 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: you know you're telling me that maybe, some how, some way, 677 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: Larry does have a spot on this team. It's just 678 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: not where he typically with point, my guess is that 679 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald will never let himself go because he has 680 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: reasons to keep his physique outside the football locker room. Um. 681 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: I think he you know, he's still in the prime 682 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: of his life. He wants the ladies to pay attention 683 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: to him. I don't think he's just gonna glad he 684 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: didn't say golf, by the way, because a lot of 685 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: fat guys. I don't think he's gonna go all friedos 686 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: eating friedos all the time things I see. Okay, But 687 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: since he's still a single guy out there, you're saying, 688 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: there's there's other reasons I do not stay in changing 689 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: his single status at any more. Yeah, all right, So 690 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything else out there that we 691 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: need to be aware of in terms of a working 692 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: theory on Larry Fitzgerald and where this Aul stands Darren Again, 693 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't have the brain that you do, Paul. 694 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: And and that's a fair point to make, that's to 695 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: your advantage. And uh, ultimately I can't get away from 696 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: like I watch your name picture is a top of 697 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: the fold on the website with the when the when 698 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: the Sun's season is over wherever whenever that might be, 699 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: and God forbid that happens. I hope it's later than 700 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: rather than sooner. But who knows the way this is. 701 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: It's been hard, it's been a hard um and tattoo aside, 702 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 1: and uh so we'll see what happens. But I really 703 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: think the Suns have to be done before. I mean, 704 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: I just please, please, don't just go off silent. I mean, 705 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: just don't do that to us. Fits say something. Do 706 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: you think do you think he's unsure? Do you think 707 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: he's still honestly, genuinely trying to decide? Here, here's what 708 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: I think. I was actually thinking about this myself last night. 709 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why this came up in my head, 710 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: but it did. I do think that he is leaning 711 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: towards being done. I also think we we Joe about 712 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: how he wants to kind of fade away and everything. 713 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: But I also believe Larry is the type of person 714 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: it's going to be very, very very difficult to say 715 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: those words out loud, and it's one thing to tweet it, 716 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: and he might be able to do that or do 717 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: the player's tribute an article or whatever, But in terms 718 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: of like having a press conference, I mean, honestly, I 719 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: don't there. In all the years I've known Larry Fitzgerald, 720 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not around him most of the time, obviously, 721 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: but I have not seen him be very emotional most 722 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: of the time. I think he would be the type 723 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: of person that would have a very very difficult time 724 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: getting up in front of people and talking about how 725 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: his career is over. I do think he might be 726 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: upset by that a little bit right now now. Maybe 727 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: eventually when he does it and it's really settled in, 728 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: or we play some games or whatever. But I that's 729 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: just my take on it. And if Larry wants to 730 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: text me and say I'm full of crap, because of 731 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: course I'm sure he's listening to Cardinal's Underground, he's welcome 732 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: to do that. Once again, we need to rename this 733 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: to a golf podcast, and Larry Fitzgerald will be our guest. 734 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 1: That that's the key around here is under the guys 735 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: and auspices that we're doing a golf podcast. Larry, we'll 736 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: join us and we'll hear from the man himself. But 737 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: until that happens, no chance whatsoever. Since I don't golf, 738 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you golf, Paul not very well. 739 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: I've purposely given it up recently. I got anger management 740 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: issues when it comes to golf, so that wouldn't work. 741 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: And you can't do that because you haven't played the 742 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: next number of years, and then you can't expect yourself 743 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: to play well, So you better have the mindset going 744 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: in that I can't expect myself to play well because 745 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: I've never played well. So this is gonna be eighteen 746 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: ols of agony. Get my mind right, let's go. That's 747 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: that's what you need to come to grips with before 748 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: you ever tee it up. And you're right, by the way, 749 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: on Larry, the game is much more meaningful to him 750 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: than he lets on. Oh yeah, and he's much more 751 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: a historian of the game and knows everything involved with 752 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: not only the Cardinals, but the rest of the league 753 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: and the history of the game. He is. It is 754 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: his life. Now. Look does he have hobbies, obviously, and 755 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: he's got a massive golf jones. We get that. But 756 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 1: it's his career, it's his passion. And you know that's 757 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: what drives him in so many ways, is playing football. 758 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: When he says he has no desire to coach, I 759 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: believe him, You believe no, No, he in a coach. 760 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: It's competing that drives him. The bottom line, and this 761 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: goes for so many players. But you can have a 762 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: golf jones, but what's Larry thirty six thirty seven Somewhere 763 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: in there. I mean, he's gonna be golfing when he's 764 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: sixty five. When he says goodbye to pro football. It's over. 765 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: He is not playing pro football anymore. Now he can 766 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: make baby old gaut in the backyard and toss it 767 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: around with his kids, but it's over. And that's a 768 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: tough that's a tough thing for most athletes to do, 769 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: and for somebody who you know, he spent. I mean, 770 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: he's not going to quite get to half his life 771 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: playing pro football, but it's he's gotten a lot closer 772 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: than a lot of other people do. So, you know, 773 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't refer to this very often, but when I 774 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: was a nineteen year old punk and an assistant to 775 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: the assistant producer doing TV in the Bay Area, they 776 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: would send me up to forty nine ers training camp, 777 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: and so I'd go up there and I have the 778 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: wireless mike, and it was, in hindsight, it was unbelievable. 779 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: There I am interviewing Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott and 780 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: Roger Craig and Jerry Rice. Yeah, and Jerry Rice was 781 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: even though married, family the whole thing. He was much 782 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: like Larry. Yeah, he got up every day to play football. 783 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: We know Larry or Jerry Rice played until he was 784 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: around forty, at twenty years in the game, and when 785 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: a few years ago, if you remember, Jerry Rice was 786 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: in the sideline and fits and they embraced and the 787 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: cameras were there and the whole thing, and Jerry had 788 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: a few things to say. You could just see the 789 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: envy Jerry Rice. This is just me. This is just 790 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: me reading Jerry's mind and the look on his face 791 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: and having covered him some two decades plus a go. 792 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: But just to see man, Jerry would have given anything 793 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: in that instant to trade places. Larry Fitzgerald put on 794 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: the pads and walk across that white stripe, because there 795 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: is a world of difference between being on the sideline 796 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: side of that white stripe and the playing field side 797 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: of that white stripe. And that's Larry knows. Once you 798 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: cross over that you're never going back. Have you ever 799 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: seen the movie Everybody's All American? No, it's came out 800 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: in the early nineties. I want to say, it doesn't 801 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: star Adam Sandler, doesn't. No, it's Dennis Quaid. Dennis Quid. 802 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: I believe it's based on a book. Dennis Quaid plays 803 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: a star football player at LSU and like the fifties, 804 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: and it kind of traces his life with his girlfriend 805 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: and wife, and but it traces his life as a 806 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: football player from star at LSU to high draft pick 807 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: playing for a terrible NFL team to retired and spoilers 808 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: right now, so if you haven't seen it and you 809 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: want to go see it, turning less off now. When 810 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: he's playing at LSU, he's really well adjusted. He enjoys 811 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: being a star, but he doesn't he's got no ego. 812 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: He downplays it, and he's kind of aw shucks about it, 813 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: like why does everybody pay so much attention to me? 814 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: He gets into the pros, it's definitely a business. He's 815 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,359 Speaker 1: playing for a bad team. He gets hurt, he gets 816 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: some money, but it's not the same as the glory 817 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: of college football at LSU. And then in his old age, 818 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: as you get to the end of the movie again spoilers, 819 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: he comes back to LSU for a like the twenty 820 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: fifth anniversary of his team or whatever, and he's out 821 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: on the field and he's the last guy, the galloping ghost, 822 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: and the crowd starts clapping for him, and you can 823 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: tell he is completely enjoying being back in this element 824 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: of being the star and LSU and all the crowd, 825 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: and they start getting louder and louder, and he gets 826 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: this grin on his face, like I really miss this, 827 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: and he realizes all of a sudden, the reason the 828 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: crowd got loud was because the current team was running 829 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: out on the field, and he realized they weren't cheering 830 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: for him, and he realized that he's not. And again, 831 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: it really and actually, if I remember correctly, it was 832 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: a fictional book written by a sports writer and I'm 833 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: trying to remember who wrote it, a sports illustrator writer, 834 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: I want to say, but ultimately that's what it is. 835 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: I mean you in the moment, and I think Fitz 836 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: was a like this. Sometimes he doesn't like the spotlight 837 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 1: and he doesn't like the media and all this stuff. 838 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,439 Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys, and maybe he won't 839 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: be this way, but a lot of these guys, once 840 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: they're away from it for a while, they realize how 841 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: much they really did like it. Dear you know, this 842 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: is my final thought on this. Around the Dignity Health 843 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals training Center. It could be laid on a 844 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: Friday of a game week everybody is gone. Yeah, and 845 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: you're cutting through the facility in the training room and 846 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: you look over and there's Larry. Yeah he's still there. Yeah, 847 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: he spends a lot of time here. Yeah, you're right. 848 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: So we'll see. We'll see exactly what might transpire by 849 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: the time either a the Suns are done or be 850 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: training camp starts, or he'll go Dwight frainy, and we 851 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: won't know until late September. We'll see about I expect 852 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: him for the Thursday night game against the Packers. The 853 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: question is will we see Kyle again after we have 854 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: him interviewing for the next Gen stats gig? Oh wait, no, 855 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 1: supposed to get you that? Yeah that tweet tweet? Okay, 856 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: all right, By the way, did I give you the 857 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: Titans update desk further evidence around here? The Cardinals rule 858 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: is should just start game planning for the Vikings. Don't 859 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: even show up in Nashville for Week one because now 860 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,240 Speaker 1: you have more bullish predictions. And this is from NFL 861 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: dot Com predicting every team MVP and the NFL dot 862 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: Com thing that came out this week saying that Julio 863 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: Jones trade quote makes too much sense and this is 864 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,320 Speaker 1: one of those cases where half the league will be 865 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: kicking themselves when Jones is at a thousand yards by 866 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: week twelve. So once again, Ryan Tannehill got a lot better. 867 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: There is a reason why the biggest bandwagon power pole, 868 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans and SOS tweet let's see. Let's hope 869 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: they're reading all of that between now in September twenty 870 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: that tweet we'll do. That'll do it for This edition 871 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: of Cardinal's Underground brought to you by a Pacific Office 872 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: automation