Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host
Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,
Speaker 1: and it's no secret I love animals and I want
Speaker 1: to cuddle all of them. But sadly, most animals are
Speaker 1: not available for cuddles, as they're wild animals or they're
Speaker 1: that grumpy house cat who keeps rejecting me. Unfortunately, I'll
Speaker 1: have to stick to giving my dog belly rubs, because
Speaker 1: as cute as wild animals can be, they certainly don't
Speaker 1: want to be cuddled by me. And as we'll find out,
Speaker 1: sometimes a cute little animal turns out to be a
Speaker 1: serial killer. So today we're going to be playing a
Speaker 1: little game. See if you can guess which one of
Speaker 1: these animals we're about to discuss is more likely to
Speaker 1: kill you than to cuddle you. We're talking adorable widow
Speaker 1: sea creatures, terrifying toothy beasts, and birds who look like
Speaker 1: they come from a gym. I'm a Henson Nightmare. Discover
Speaker 1: this and more as we answer the angel question, can
Speaker 1: you trim your hedges? With a crocodile? Joining me today
Speaker 1: to play the world's riskiest game show is comedian cat
Speaker 1: Lover Garfield impersonator Joey Cliff.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Joey, Hey, everybody. Yeah, I'm excited to be back.
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I feel like I might do well in
Speaker 2: this game. But I also I just assume that every
Speaker 2: animal that looks adorable is probably also not deadly, so
Speaker 2: I feel like I might die pretty fast.
Speaker 1: The last time I had you on, I think we
Speaker 1: talked about Cats, right, Cats the musical, Cats the animal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cat's the musical and Cats the animal, And I
Speaker 2: write I still think that seeing the Cats movie live
Speaker 2: is the most fun that I've ever had watching a
Speaker 2: movie live. So my taste is off, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, so let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play a little game on this show where
Speaker 1: we try to guess which one of these animals is
Speaker 1: gonna want to cuddle you and which one will kill you.
Speaker 1: And when I say cuddle you, none of these animals
Speaker 1: actually really want to cuddle you, because they're wild animals.
Speaker 1: But you know, in a situation where it's like you
Speaker 1: have to choose either to cuddle it like to cuddle
Speaker 1: which one of these animals? Which one would you pick
Speaker 1: and so first up is the catfish versus the garial crocodile.
Speaker 1: So I have provided you with pictures of these lovely animals,
Speaker 1: and which one would you like to cuddle? And which
Speaker 1: one are you going to run away from? Joey.
Speaker 2: So, looking at the pictures of these animals, I my
Speaker 2: immediate gut reaction based on pictures is like, Oh, that'd
Speaker 2: be cute to cuddle a catfish. It's got the word
Speaker 2: cat and it's name, so of course I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: on board for it. But I think that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: choose the grid or the I think I'm gonna choose
Speaker 2: the garial. Yeah, I think I'm gonna choose the garial
Speaker 2: crocodile because I feel like I might have heard stories
Speaker 2: of catfish like eating people, so like, I think that that's.
Speaker 1: Actually from the show Catfish, where a cannibal convinces someone
Speaker 1: to dater and then she eats them.
Speaker 2: Was okay in this situation? Was the cannibal a catfish
Speaker 2: that convinced was it like the cannibal and actually.
Speaker 1: Catfish on the show? Yeah, it was a catfish on
Speaker 1: the show Catfish, and the catfish catfished a human and
Speaker 1: then ate the human exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: believe that. But yeah, so I'm gonna say the garial
Speaker 2: crocodile just because I think I've heard of catfish eating humans.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think catfish actually eat humans. Now, there
Speaker 1: is a thing that people will do called catfish noodling,
Speaker 1: where they will their arm in a catfish den and
Speaker 1: the catfish will chomp down on their arm and then
Speaker 1: they pull the catfish out of the water. Now, this
Speaker 1: is a very dangerous way to fish because first of all,
Speaker 1: catfish will bite you and maybe hurt you that way. Also,
Speaker 1: it can pull you under and if you get stuck
Speaker 1: and you are trying to get this catfish and the
Speaker 1: catfish is pulling you under the water, you can drown.
Speaker 1: And there is another very important reason not to mess
Speaker 1: with catfish. So catfish are a group of species of
Speaker 1: bottom feeding fish found all over the world, and they're
Speaker 1: called catfish because many of these species, most of them
Speaker 1: do have these whiskers on their mouth area. They are
Speaker 1: called barbels, and those are sensory organs.
Speaker 2: They're also called catfish because they love laser pointers, right.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yes, yes, if you bring a laser pointer under
Speaker 1: the water, You're gonna have a fun time with the catfish.
Speaker 1: Not really, So catfish do not have scales. They actually
Speaker 1: have this smooth, mucous covered skin which helps them respirate,
Speaker 1: so they can take in oxygen and do gas exchange
Speaker 1: through their skin, which is pretty interesting. And the reason
Speaker 1: you don't really want to cuddle a catfish is that
Speaker 1: they possess very powerful weapons. They have spines on their
Speaker 1: fins that can wound you, and in some species they
Speaker 1: deliver a stinging venom. In fact, so many species of
Speaker 1: catfish are venomous that the siluroforms, which is the group
Speaker 1: of catfish, win the prize for the vertebrate order with
Speaker 1: the most venomous species.
Speaker 2: This is how I find out that I didn't win
Speaker 2: that award.
Speaker 1: Geez, sorry, sorry, the Joey Cliffs order does not have
Speaker 1: the most venomous species.
Speaker 2: Nuts.
Speaker 1: It's actually wait, what was that? God damn, I was
Speaker 1: gonna do a bit about Joan Rivers and then I
Speaker 1: forgot about what Joan Rivers name was, So you know,
Speaker 1: she's also dead.
Speaker 2: So she's also dead because she was filled with too
Speaker 2: much venom. She produces ven.
Speaker 1: All the people like under thirty something listening to this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wondering what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, so like next next, you're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about Charlemagne from a first person of like, look,
Speaker 2: I was telling Charlemagne this joke and he loved it.
Speaker 1: So the most dangerous species of catfish are the Heteronoustis
Speaker 1: and Plotosus. So Heternustis are a genus of Asian catfish
Speaker 1: which can hospitalize humans with their powerful stings, which are
Speaker 1: also extremely painful. So you know it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: bad time with these catfish. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Have you have you ever been like stung by anything
Speaker 2: with venom?
Speaker 1: You know, I have lived a blessed life where I
Speaker 1: have actually not been stung by that many animals. And
Speaker 1: maybe it's because they since I'm an ally or something,
Speaker 1: but I have never been stung by a bee. I've
Speaker 1: only gotten very mild spider bites. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't even think I've ever gotten a jellyfish sting. And
Speaker 1: I lived next to the beach for like growing up,
Speaker 1: so yeah, no, I haven't.
Speaker 2: I think that I also am just such an indoor
Speaker 2: person that I don't think I ever have the closest
Speaker 2: I think I've come is when I was two years old,
Speaker 2: a bee flew into my eye. Oh no, it didn't
Speaker 2: sting me. And I remember literally like like pointing and
Speaker 2: like why. I have vivid memories of pointing at this
Speaker 2: large bee being like look, mom, a bee and then
Speaker 2: like just like track me with my finger as it
Speaker 2: flew into my eye and being like so, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't really say from a first hand experience what
Speaker 2: venom feels like, but like, if it's anything like a
Speaker 2: bee flying into your eye, it sucks. It's bad a
Speaker 2: ton it makes you cry like a two year old.
Speaker 1: There's this biologist and I forgot his name, but he
Speaker 1: went around the world ranking the painfulness of stings and
Speaker 1: guess how he did it by just stinging himself with
Speaker 1: a bunch of different animals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that what what is that? The Kinsey scale
Speaker 2: or what is that? Like?
Speaker 1: No, the Kinsey scale is sexual?
Speaker 2: They think, Oh right, I'm dumb.
Speaker 1: How sexual you feel towards venomous animals?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, god, oh then I'm like a twelve out
Speaker 2: of out of one. Yeah, yeah, I think, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I've definitely read about that guy. I mean that's why,
Speaker 2: like it's it's a scale of like one to five
Speaker 2: or something like that. I think that like bullet ants
Speaker 2: and murder hornets are like the far are like the
Speaker 2: higher end of it. And then I want to say
Speaker 2: that there's also just like a guy with a YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: Now that's just like, watch me get stung by this bug?
Speaker 1: Oh really, is this a real thing?
Speaker 2: Or do you think it just no is a real thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 1: Well, I know what I'm doing. After we wrap this up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll send you a link. Everybody watch it.
Speaker 2: Everybody listening to this, just google YouTube sting guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's actually what his channel's called,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Guy getting stung by something will
Speaker 2: come up.
Speaker 1: Guy getting stung by something at the name of the channel. So.
Speaker 1: The other group of species of catfish that you really
Speaker 1: really do not want to mess with are the plotosis.
Speaker 1: So Plotosis are a genus of catfish that live in
Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean in New Guinea and the Western Pacific.
Speaker 1: They live in fresh, brackish and marine water, so they're
Speaker 1: found in a good variety of places, and some species
Speaker 1: can get as big as four feet long, and their
Speaker 1: stings are extremely venomous. So one species, the striped eel catfish,
Speaker 1: has a sting so powerful it can be lethal. They
Speaker 1: are pretty unassuming looking. They're actually kind of cute in
Speaker 1: my opinion. There it's that photo that I showed you.
Speaker 1: They've got the little whiskers, they've got that silly little
Speaker 1: catfish mouth.
Speaker 2: I don't but I don't know why that's something that
Speaker 2: cute could harm me. It's so cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have these black and white stripes. They're like
Speaker 1: a little stripey water kitty, a cute little water kitty.
Speaker 1: But it will kill you if it stings you, and
Speaker 1: if you're it doesn't always kill you if you're stung
Speaker 1: by one of these catfish, but if you're lucky enough
Speaker 1: not to die, they can cause necrosis and that can
Speaker 1: require amputation. So you know that's not great. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that, like, look, if that's the
Speaker 2: risk I gotta take to pet catfish, then like that's
Speaker 2: the risk at their amputation, tetation or cuddling a slimy animal.
Speaker 2: I will choose cuddle.
Speaker 1: You're willing to put it all on the line for
Speaker 1: these catfish. Yep. So in contrast, the garial crocodile is
Speaker 1: extremely frightening looking. So it is a crocodile, as is
Speaker 1: perhaps observable by its name. So crocodiles are a very
Speaker 1: very old order of reptiles, originating over eighty million years ago,
Speaker 1: and garials have been around a little more recently, so
Speaker 1: they're only five million years old, fresh and sort of
Speaker 1: spry five million years and they are found in very
Speaker 1: small numbers and a handful of Nepal and India's freshwater
Speaker 1: river systems. They're actually critically endangered, and they used to
Speaker 1: be found at a much wider range in the northern
Speaker 1: Indian subcontinent, but now there is just kind of a
Speaker 1: handful of them left. And these are big, big, big guys.
Speaker 1: They grow from eight to nineteen feet long and they
Speaker 1: weigh up to two thousand pounds. So you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's chonky.
Speaker 2: I am looking at the picture of you sent me
Speaker 2: of this crocodile. I wouldn't have guessed that it's so
Speaker 2: big because it just looks so happy, like it's like
Speaker 2: it's like a side view, and its mouth is open
Speaker 2: really wide, and it looks like it's.
Speaker 1: Staying hi hawty. Yeah, yeah, it's and it's kind of
Speaker 1: cute because it has well, Okay, I guess my definition
Speaker 1: of cute is maybe, you know, unique. But it has
Speaker 1: this really long, thin snout with one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: to one hundred and twelve really sharp teeth, and they
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just kind of funny to me
Speaker 1: that they have these huge bodies and then these really long,
Speaker 1: skinny snouts. I think it's I think it's kind of cute.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like there's douts. It just does look like
Speaker 2: it looks kind of like, oh yeah, that's a Pixar character.
Speaker 1: But they are actually carnivores and they look kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, they look very prehistoric, maybe even more
Speaker 1: so than other crocodiles. Like just it's that weird proportion
Speaker 1: of these long snouts with all these teeth sticking out,
Speaker 1: and they just look like, uh, something from before humans
Speaker 1: were around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what's isn't that the story of like
Speaker 2: crocodiles have evolved the least of I mean, it's like
Speaker 2: they're like a crocodile today and a crocodile ten million
Speaker 2: years ago looks like basically the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they haven't evolved all that much. I mean,
Speaker 1: we know that they have evolved somewhat, especially because like
Speaker 1: you know, you see the garial crocodile that's about five
Speaker 1: million years old, and then the older crocodiles are over
Speaker 1: eighty million years old, so there's some evolution and different
Speaker 1: species coming up. But yeah, they haven't really had to
Speaker 1: change all that much.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. This crocodile definitely does look
Speaker 2: it looks like it looks cute. I don't know that
Speaker 2: crocodile doesn't have to change a thing.
Speaker 1: You don't have to. I love it for the way
Speaker 1: it is. It doesn't have to change for me, and
Speaker 1: it is to make you fall even more in love.
Speaker 1: They're pretty shy, ah, so they don't tend to trifle
Speaker 1: with prey larger than a fish. Those long snouts with
Speaker 1: all those scary looking teeth are actually just used for fishing.
Speaker 1: They have sensory cells on the tips of their snouts
Speaker 1: that can feel vibrations in the water, so they just
Speaker 1: kind of snap up fish and skewer them in those
Speaker 1: rows and rows of teeth.
Speaker 2: Do you think that every time it does that, it
Speaker 2: makes like a gulping sound, like it's small as a fish,
Speaker 2: and then it just goes like.
Speaker 1: I do, yes, absolutely, oh, and it gets cuter. So
Speaker 1: they actually typically kind of like run away from humans,
Speaker 1: and those really highly specialized jaws are not used for
Speaker 1: stalking and hunting and chomping down on bigger prey, and
Speaker 1: it probably so when it does attack a human, it
Speaker 1: can't really do all that much damage. I have seen
Speaker 1: these claims online where it's like, oh, it's jos strength
Speaker 1: is really weak, but that's actually not true. As far
Speaker 1: as I can tell from the latest research, their bite
Speaker 1: force is the same as any other crocodile its size.
Speaker 1: It's just that, first of all, it's non aggressive with humans.
Speaker 1: It's very shy, it'll shy away from us, and it
Speaker 1: just doesn't hunt big prey, so it doesn't really occur
Speaker 1: to it to go and bite you necessarily, and if
Speaker 1: it does, it usually realizes its mistake and runs away.
Speaker 1: So actually, biology professor and crocodile and alligator researcher Greg
Speaker 1: Erickson describes the way that crocodile bite force works like this.
Speaker 1: He says, quote, it is analogous to putting different attachments
Speaker 1: on a weed eater like a grass cutter. Brushcutter, tree trimmer.
Speaker 1: They all have the same type of engine. There are
Speaker 1: bigger and smaller engines with higher and lower horse power,
Speaker 1: but they have the same attachments.
Speaker 2: So, uh so I have a question, Uh do you
Speaker 2: fill them with gasoline?
Speaker 1: Do you fill the garials with gas Do you fill them.
Speaker 2: With gasoline so that they're an engine? Is that like
Speaker 2: do I have? Is that how you make them bite?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend it personally, I don't. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not a mechanic and I'm not a crocodile mechanic, but
Speaker 1: I don't think you should fill them with gasoline.
Speaker 2: I wish I wish that. I wish that. I was
Speaker 2: about to say, I wish that you were a crocodile mechanic,
Speaker 2: but then I was like, no, I'm gonna be selfish.
Speaker 2: I wish I was a crocodile can But.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you get a garial and
Speaker 1: you put some fish around your weeds, it probably will
Speaker 1: trim the weeds. I guess, yeah. Yeah, it's like trying
Speaker 1: to go for the You're like holding this massive crocodile
Speaker 1: and it's like snapping out the fish and maybe it'll
Speaker 1: get a few weeds. In there.
Speaker 2: H yeah, I buy that. I mean it's not like effishient,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I feel like it would work.
Speaker 1: It's not efficient. H so yeah. So basically, the garials
Speaker 1: are big enough to have a big bite force, and
Speaker 1: they do. It's just they have these little weed trimmer
Speaker 1: snouts and you know, they they probably could do a
Speaker 1: little bit of damage to a person if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: They just don't want to. And I find that really
Speaker 1: sweet and adorable.
Speaker 2: I feel like weed trimmers are like, I don't like
Speaker 2: a weed trimmer. If you got hit by a weed trimmer,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't if it was like the one with the
Speaker 2: string on it, Like it wouldn't kill you, Like.
Speaker 1: It would hurt, but like, well not if you're not
Speaker 1: doing it creatively.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: Nothing? Nothing, nothing. So the gurial they're very shy. They
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to find a single case of
Speaker 1: a garial killing a human and there have only been
Speaker 1: three recorded cases of non fatal attacks since the seventies,
Speaker 1: which makes them far less lethal and less dangerous than
Speaker 1: a catfish than even dogs and deer. And deer actually
Speaker 1: kill a lot of people every year just because of
Speaker 1: car accidents.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're they're the lemmings of the road. Like basically
Speaker 2: instead of jumping off cliffs.
Speaker 1: Now I do have to do for legal purposes defending
Speaker 1: the honor of the lemmings. Lemmings don't actually follow each
Speaker 1: other off of cliffs. That is a dirty lie made
Speaker 1: to slander the lemmings, and they actually don't follow each
Speaker 1: other off of cliffs. But yeah, deer do seem too
Speaker 1: love to get into car accidents with people. I think
Speaker 1: it's an insurance scam. I think the deer trying to
Speaker 1: get insurance out of it.
Speaker 2: I get Lastly, do you do you think that that
Speaker 2: that lemming lie has been spread by big lemming.
Speaker 1: Big flimming. Why would it be spread by big lemming.
Speaker 1: It would be like spread by big marmot or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a point, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: So with these garial attacks, most of them appear to
Speaker 1: be the garile just being confused and thinking that the
Speaker 1: person is a fish. So like if you're out bathing
Speaker 1: or swimming, they mistake a body part of the human
Speaker 1: as a fish and they give it a bite and
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize you're a person and then they run away.
Speaker 1: And then then the one case since the nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: where it was like a serious attack, it was probably
Speaker 1: actually a mistaken identity, so it was recorded as either
Speaker 1: being a garial crocodile or a mugger crocodile. And mugger
Speaker 1: crocodile share the same waters as the gariles and they're
Speaker 1: much more aggressive and dangerous to humans, so I think
Speaker 1: it was a mugger crocodile.
Speaker 2: To be fair, the human that that crocodile killed arms
Speaker 2: and legs were made of fish, so it was really
Speaker 2: asking for it by going in that one.
Speaker 1: But it didn't even kill the person. So even if
Speaker 1: this is a garial, there's not even a single case
Speaker 1: of an alleged garial attack where the person died or
Speaker 1: even sustained really life threatening injuries.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that sounds like just the dictionary definition
Speaker 2: of like, oh, yeah, they're more afraid of you than
Speaker 2: you are of them.
Speaker 1: So exactly, yeah, exactly. And just in case you haven't
Speaker 1: fallen in love with the garyle yet, here are some
Speaker 1: more cute facts. So males have a little bulbous protrusion
Speaker 1: on the tips of their snout called a mud pot.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: They use these as resonance chambers to help them make
Speaker 1: mating calls, and they also blow bubbles to impress the female.
Speaker 2: Ah. I hope that those males, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: love those males little mud pots.
Speaker 1: It's just such a cute. It's such a cute courtship
Speaker 1: thing of like, may I blow you a bubble, ma'am.
Speaker 2: But it's also just that they're called mud pots is adorable.
Speaker 1: It is pretty cute. They also let out cries when
Speaker 1: they're in pain that has been described as sounding like bawling.
Speaker 1: They're like just these long snouted, shy, little bubble blow
Speaker 1: and cry babies.
Speaker 2: Yeahote thinking about it, I really think I made the
Speaker 2: right choice, even if catfish don't eat people like Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I made the right chip choice in wanting
Speaker 2: to cuddle a gariel.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, don't don't cuddle it, just respectfully
Speaker 1: socially distanced, say hello to a garyol.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm gonna cuddle.
Speaker 1: Oh uh oh please don't. The Creature Feature podcast does
Speaker 1: not endorse cuddling any kind of crocodile, including the garial.
Speaker 1: Do not try this at home.
Speaker 2: Okay, good now, that. Uh now that's don't listen to
Speaker 2: or do it it sounds great.
Speaker 1: No, No, this.
Speaker 2: Legal, which just makes me want to do it more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, they I mean it's gonna be They will
Speaker 1: be traumatized if you try to cuddle them. They are
Speaker 1: so shy. Just you know, be respectful, be respectful of
Speaker 1: the garile. And they're critically endangered, so I feel like
Speaker 1: we should really care about them, even if they're kind
Speaker 1: of scary looking. They are adorable and sweet and they
Speaker 1: need our help.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm not gonna Okay, so I won't cuddle
Speaker 2: a gariol. I will just appreciate. I'll just smile multiple
Speaker 2: times throughout the next week whenever I think of the
Speaker 2: term mud pod.
Speaker 1: That's perfectly fine. Why is catfishing called catfishing? You know
Speaker 1: the phrase that means someone pretends to be someone online,
Speaker 1: like pretending to be the King of Norway, but when
Speaker 1: you meet him it turns out he's just three dogs
Speaker 1: in a trench coat. You think it's because catfish look
Speaker 1: cute but can be sinister. Sadly, that's not where the
Speaker 1: term comes from. The phrase gets its meaning from the
Speaker 1: twenty ten movie Catfish Kind of Documentary about a man
Speaker 1: forming a relationship with a woman who isn't who she
Speaker 1: says she is. The term catfish is used by the
Speaker 1: woman's husband, who talks about how live cod are shipped
Speaker 1: from Alaska to Asia, but due to being sedentary, their
Speaker 1: muscles get mushy and they don't taste as good. So
Speaker 1: to keep them active, fishermen put catfish in their tanks
Speaker 1: to agitate them and keep them swimming around. Thus the
Speaker 1: woman in the story is the quote catfish keeping others
Speaker 1: on their toes. But is this true? Well, I have
Speaker 1: no idea about the veracity of the events in the documentary,
Speaker 1: but what about whether catfish are used to keep cod
Speaker 1: in shape. One of the explanations I've seen is that
Speaker 1: catfish are a cod's quote natural enemy. But that's just
Speaker 1: not really true. God that would be caught near Alaska
Speaker 1: live in the Northern Pacific. They are bottom dwellers living
Speaker 1: deep in the cold ocean. And while there are catfish
Speaker 1: who live in the ocean, there aren't that many species
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Ocean, and those that are typically stick
Speaker 1: to tropical or temperate waters down near South America, far
Speaker 1: from the cold waters that the Northern Pacific codon habits,
Speaker 1: so they're not natural enemies. Nor can I find any
Speaker 1: record of fishermen actually trying to use this tactic to
Speaker 1: keep fish fit. That means that the story behind catfishing
Speaker 1: is itself a catfish. Or wait, it's not, because the
Speaker 1: story's not true, so catfish doesn't. Never mind, forget it.
Speaker 1: When we return, we're going to talk about another couple
Speaker 1: of water dwelling critters. One is a sweetheart and the
Speaker 1: other could kill around thirty people in under a minute.
Speaker 1: Appearances can be deceiving, or sometimes they're not. Sometimes an
Speaker 1: animal looks sinister with huge teeth and huge claws, and
Speaker 1: it turns out yep, it's a grizzly bear and it'll
Speaker 1: definitely tear you to pieces. Making snap judgments about what
Speaker 1: animals are most likely to kill us probably saved a
Speaker 1: lot of our ancient ancestors keisters. But now that we
Speaker 1: have the modern technology of podcasting, let's take a look
Speaker 1: at some of these animals and see if the science
Speaker 1: backs up our initial impressions. So, Joey, I think you
Speaker 1: probably know the answer to this section. But who would
Speaker 1: you rather cuddle a cute little octopus or one of
Speaker 1: the biggest sharks in the world.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I I know that the blue ring octopus
Speaker 2: is one of the most venomous animals out there, so
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't pick the blue ring octopus. But the
Speaker 2: basking shark is a large shark whose mouth looks like
Speaker 2: it's out of just a Cthulhu story.
Speaker 1: I could be tricking you, like this could be the
Speaker 1: section where I'm like, they both kill you and eat
Speaker 1: you dead. Congratulations, you lose.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that I want to cuddle the I
Speaker 2: want to say I want to cuddle the basking shark.
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's take a look at the basking
Speaker 1: shark then, So the basking shark is the second largest
Speaker 1: shark in the world, second to the whale shark.
Speaker 2: Oh, it'll be the biggest someday, don't you worry, buddy.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like Finding Dory has kind of given
Speaker 1: the whale sharks some really good press, you know, because
Speaker 1: it was that character in Finding Dory. What was the
Speaker 1: whale shark's name? I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure if I've seen Finding Dory, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's cute. That movie looks cute.
Speaker 1: There's this like near sighted whale shark and it's very cute.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the whale sharks are also cute and harmless,
Speaker 1: but basking sharks look a lot more menacing than a
Speaker 1: whale shark. Whale sharks kind of they're cute, they have
Speaker 1: little spots, they look kind of happy and friendly, but
Speaker 1: basking sharks have these massive, massive mouths. It has gray skin.
Speaker 1: It grows to be around twenty six feet, which is
Speaker 1: eight meters long, and it can reach lengths up to
Speaker 1: forty five feet in a way up to ten pounds,
Speaker 1: and they can live to be around fifty years old.
Speaker 1: So they really are sort of a I don't know,
Speaker 1: just like this, they look like this ancient monster from
Speaker 1: the depths.
Speaker 2: Like looking at the photo of it, like its mouth
Speaker 2: really looks like like it looks like it's opening its
Speaker 2: neck into its rib change basically.
Speaker 1: Right, looks like a portal into the nether world.
Speaker 2: And like, although like the basking shark picture that you
Speaker 2: sent me, like he does look puffy like in a
Speaker 2: cute way, and then like it's like, oh, I kind
Speaker 2: of would like to pet the stuffed animal version of
Speaker 2: a basking shark, but I also am aware that shark skin.
Speaker 2: It's like if you pet the wrong way, can like
Speaker 2: cut you open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually they have denticles protrusions coming out of
Speaker 1: their skin that are actually quite rough. Yeah yeah, it
Speaker 1: feels like sand papery.
Speaker 2: I'm but my point stands, I would like to cuddle
Speaker 2: that shark. I will take that risk.
Speaker 1: They do look like prius monsters, and because they kind
Speaker 1: of are prehistoric monsters. They evolved around four hundred million
Speaker 1: years ago, and one of their most notable features, other
Speaker 1: than just being ginormous, is that they have that huge mouth.
Speaker 1: They have ros and rows of teeth in the mouth,
Speaker 1: and they can open. The mouth's incredibly wide enough for
Speaker 1: an adult human to just kind of waltz right into
Speaker 1: if you wanted to, just like dude to do here,
Speaker 1: I walk into a shark mouth. But as you may
Speaker 1: have guessed from this sort of overall redemption arc of
Speaker 1: this episode, they are harmless to humans.
Speaker 2: Yay.
Speaker 1: The teeth that are in their mouth are tiny, and
Speaker 1: the real business end of this shark are all of
Speaker 1: the little gill rakers. These are bristles on the inside
Speaker 1: of its mouth that help them catch plankton because they're
Speaker 1: just filter feeders.
Speaker 2: Yay. So okay, So I could I could walk into
Speaker 2: the mouth of a basking shark and not die?
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, I mean I wouldn't try it because you
Speaker 1: could drown if you get stuck in there. You could
Speaker 1: you could hurt the basking shark, but it's probably not
Speaker 1: gonna know what to do with you. It's probably just
Speaker 1: gonna try to get away from you. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: want you in its mouth. I mean, did you ask
Speaker 1: the basking shark? Did you ask, like, hello, knock on
Speaker 1: its front mouth part and be like, you know, knock,
Speaker 1: knock here I am, and it's just gonna be like,
Speaker 1: uh no, you're not planked in like please don't.
Speaker 2: Uh do you think I mean, do you think a
Speaker 2: basking shark has a doorbell on its snout? Ding dong
Speaker 2: and then no solicitors? Hey? Yeah, yeah. I feel like
Speaker 2: if you knocked on the side of a basking shark
Speaker 2: like it was a door, then it would open up.
Speaker 1: There's like a couch in there, and it's like the
Speaker 1: other version of Pinocchio, where instead of getting eaten by
Speaker 1: a big, old mean whale, they were eaten by this
Speaker 1: super chill basking shark. And it's like, hey, we actually
Speaker 1: kind of like it. In here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if a basking shark his mouth
Speaker 2: is big enough to walk into, Like, I feel like
Speaker 2: a basking shark's mouth is probably bigger than most of
Speaker 2: our apartments. We should live inside basking sharks exactly.
Speaker 1: It's good rent rent controlled basking sharks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they feed by moving forward with their giant mouth agape,
Speaker 1: and they suck in massive amounts of water, and that
Speaker 1: water flows through their mouth over their gills, and the
Speaker 1: plankton gets stuck on their gill raker bristles. So when
Speaker 1: you look at that open mouth, you see all those
Speaker 1: white bands, and those are areas where the gill attaches
Speaker 1: to the shark, and then on those sort of like
Speaker 1: white bony structures are these raker bristles, and then it's
Speaker 1: just you know, the plankton and other small marine life
Speaker 1: gets stuck in there and it's got a nice snack.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about, like how much how many pounds of
Speaker 2: plankton does a basking shark have to eat to survive, because,
Speaker 2: like you know, plankton's fairly small and basking sharks are gigantic.
Speaker 2: Are they sucking in like a ton of plankton per day?
Speaker 2: Like what I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure how much plankton itself they
Speaker 1: suck in. They do suck in one thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 1: metric tons of water every hour. So that's like, what
Speaker 1: is that, that's like four that's all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like that's like four big gulps.
Speaker 1: A lot. Oh yeah, it's a lot. But they also
Speaker 1: have the smallest brain to body ratio of any shark,
Speaker 1: so we do know that brain size is not always
Speaker 1: an accurate predictor of intelligence. But it's also true that
Speaker 1: these basking sharks really don't need all that much brain
Speaker 1: because they are very they're very chill dudes. They have
Speaker 1: a very passive lifestyle. They don't have to they don't
Speaker 1: really have predators to speak of. They, you know, just
Speaker 1: swim through the ocean lazily slurping up plankton. They are
Speaker 1: the very picture of chillness in the ocean.
Speaker 2: Ah. So it's a big old dummies what you're saying, So.
Speaker 1: Big old drum dumb ah.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's like if a if a shark
Speaker 2: was Garfield.
Speaker 1: It's that these are the You're totally right, these are
Speaker 1: show hate bud day.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna cram so much lasagna down the sharks.
Speaker 1: Well, if it's lasagna but it's made out of krill
Speaker 1: in plankton, I'm sure it would appreciate you do that.
Speaker 2: What do you think the shark's opinions on Mondays are.
Speaker 1: I don't think it likes it. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: fond of the Monday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Then, like normals, just like a pupper fish man, let's okay, uh,
Speaker 2: it's like a million dollar idea. Let's make shark field
Speaker 2: shark field.
Speaker 1: He's always trying to trying to mail normal the pufferfish
Speaker 1: to Atlantis. So they are they're so relaxed, they're not
Speaker 1: aggressive at all. They often bask near the surface of
Speaker 1: the water, so thus their name, uh filter feeding and
Speaker 1: enjoying the warmth. But they're so incredibly chill that they
Speaker 1: don't try to avoid boats, and so these poor guys
Speaker 1: often get injured by boats because they're just like two
Speaker 1: chillax to like run away from a boat and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that looks like a new friend, and then they get
Speaker 1: bonked on the head. And it's sounds I know, I know,
Speaker 1: but there's there's such big sweeties. We got it. We
Speaker 1: gotta protect them, gotta be careful, have good boat etiquette
Speaker 1: around these these just big old fun girls garve sharks.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask a shipping question, who would you
Speaker 2: friendship ship a basking shark and a catfish or a
Speaker 2: basking shark and a garial crocodile.
Speaker 1: I would definitely be the basking shark and the garial.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Like, like one is like really chill,
Speaker 1: and it's not that it's like super shy. Like the
Speaker 1: basking shark is not shy, it's just like laid back.
Speaker 1: But then the garial is really shy. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I think a laid back shark and like a really
Speaker 1: shy crocodile would get along pretty well.
Speaker 2: She's like, it's okay, little buddy.
Speaker 1: I guess that Captain Hoyt a jerk. Okay, they would
Speaker 1: not be found in the same environment, but you know,
Speaker 1: just as a thought experiment, they would definitely beat buddy up.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I agree, have.
Speaker 1: A buddy comedy.
Speaker 2: I like that buddy comedy.
Speaker 1: Me too, me too. So now let's talk about one
Speaker 1: of the smallest octopuses in the world, who is a
Speaker 1: lovely little cutie. I love this octopus and it'll wreck you.
Speaker 1: It'll totally destroy you. So there is a group of
Speaker 1: small octopus species called the blue ringed octopuses, and Joey,
Speaker 1: I know you know about these guys and also are
Speaker 1: and appreciate these blue ringed octopuses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that I love about blue ringed octopuses is
Speaker 2: that like they look the most like a squeaky toy.
Speaker 2: Like it's just this bright octopus. That's like I think
Speaker 2: they're around like ten centimeters in length in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases, including arm length.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like five to eight inches twelve to twenty centimeters.
Speaker 1: They're very teeny WEENI.
Speaker 2: They could fit in the palm of your hand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And like they just look out of there, like they're
Speaker 2: covered in blue colored in like spots that are blue
Speaker 2: and yellow, and like it's just they look so cuddly,
Speaker 2: but they're one of the most venomous animals in the
Speaker 2: entire animal Yea.
Speaker 1: Yes, they look like they come from candy Land and
Speaker 1: they're here to be your friend, but they are most
Speaker 1: assuredly not. And speaking of fitting into your palm, I've
Speaker 1: seen so many pictures of people like holding these in
Speaker 1: their palm, and it makes me shudder and cringe every
Speaker 1: time I see it. It's you you do not want
Speaker 1: to touch them, which you will find out why very soon.
Speaker 1: So the blue ringed octopuses are found in the Indian
Speaker 1: and Pacific Oceans near Australia and Japan, and like many
Speaker 1: other octopus species, they eat small prey like crustaceans, shrimp,
Speaker 1: and other small marine animals, and as their name suggests,
Speaker 1: they are covered in beautiful, bright blue rings.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen a picture of blue ring octopus,
Speaker 2: just google it. They genuinely look really cool.
Speaker 1: They're very cool looking, and they can actually change their
Speaker 1: color like a lot of other cephalopods and octopuses, so
Speaker 1: the rest of their skin is often a kind of
Speaker 1: modeled and tan, which helps them blend into their environment,
Speaker 1: and the blue rings aren't as noticeable, but if you
Speaker 1: provoke them, they will turn a brilliant yellow and their
Speaker 1: bright blue rings flash a warning at you. So they
Speaker 1: are able to do this like other octopuses, using chromatophores,
Speaker 1: which are color changing cells in their skin, and that
Speaker 1: allows them to turn from that sort of camouflage modeled
Speaker 1: color to a bright yellow and then to actually make
Speaker 1: those blue rings flash. They don't use chromatophors. They use
Speaker 1: muscle contractions to create this like rapid flashing of these rings.
Speaker 1: And it's beautiful to look at and it might be
Speaker 1: the last thing you see.
Speaker 2: Honestly, do you have me to spill some bluing octopus expert?
Speaker 1: T yeah, do it?
Speaker 2: Okay. So a couple of years ago, I was working
Speaker 2: on a national geographic show and we were doing a
Speaker 2: segment on bluing octopuses. I was emailing with a bluing
Speaker 2: octopus expert whose name is gave us me at the moment,
Speaker 2: but she was really great, and after doing an interview
Speaker 2: with her about the blue ring octopus, basically like sent
Speaker 2: me an all caps email that was just like, please
Speaker 2: don't tell people that their venom is located in the chromatophores.
Speaker 2: And I was and like, at no point do I
Speaker 2: think that I referenced that to her as a thing
Speaker 2: that I was going to bring up. I think it's
Speaker 2: something that she just felt like, Oh, this is what
Speaker 2: this researcher is personally very frustrated by.
Speaker 1: So oh I see, I see. So they're there people
Speaker 1: think that the venom is in the chromatophores.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or like the venom is like is yea
Speaker 2: created by the chromatophores or like the venom connected and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like I got like an all caps of just
Speaker 2: like please love God, don't help tell people that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's a dangerous rumor that everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: It makes me very mad.
Speaker 1: Trending on Twitter every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like yeah, yeah, so I guess what I
Speaker 2: actually So I'm gonna be a real sneaky one and
Speaker 2: say that they are caused by the chremetophor.
Speaker 1: No, no, they're not. They're not. So it's funny because
Speaker 1: they're not super aggressive. But if you if they think
Speaker 1: that you're about to eat them, they will kill you
Speaker 1: with the most venomous bite that you can get in
Speaker 1: the ocean. So they are the world's most venomous marine animal.
Speaker 1: They are brimming with neurotoxic tetrodotoxin, which they will release
Speaker 1: into you by biting you with their cute little beak,
Speaker 1: and they have enough venom in their wittle, itty bitty
Speaker 1: bodies to kill around thirty adult humans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so since we're under quarantine, that's more people that
Speaker 2: I've had in person interactions with in five months, which
Speaker 2: is actually, I'm not that cool. That's honestly probably how
Speaker 2: it would have been even without quarantine.
Speaker 1: Insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that's really interesting about bluing octopus venom
Speaker 2: is one of the ways that they hunt their venom
Speaker 2: is soap pot potent. Is they'll basically just drip their
Speaker 2: saliva out of their mouths into the water around them,
Speaker 2: and then fish will swim through the saliva and then
Speaker 2: get instantly realized and they'll be like, oh, this.
Speaker 1: Is easy, Well, don't mind if I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, well, I guess if this fish is
Speaker 2: paralyzed in front of me, I guess I got it.
Speaker 1: Mind as well. So yeah, And but if it bites you,
Speaker 1: it can kill you within just a few minutes, and
Speaker 1: it kills There's a few things that happens when you
Speaker 1: get that venom in your body, and they're all bad.
Speaker 1: So you can get heart failure, respiratory arrest, and total
Speaker 1: paralysis of your body, and if you're not treated, you
Speaker 1: will most likely die, usually from suffocation because your diaphragm
Speaker 1: is paralyzed and you can't breathe, so you need your diet.
Speaker 1: The contraction of your diaphragm to be able to have
Speaker 1: your lungs function, and if that's not working, you can't
Speaker 1: breathe and you will die. So tetra de toxin, that
Speaker 1: neurotoxin that they are love to just like ooze out,
Speaker 1: works by blocking the sodium chain annals that neurons need
Speaker 1: to function, which prevents your brain from sending signals to
Speaker 1: the rest of your body. And you're basically your nervous
Speaker 1: system from working. And yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 2: How many people do you think's last words were, hey, Mark,
Speaker 2: check out this from the octopus?
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, probably several.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll mess you up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no anti venom, so to survive, you
Speaker 1: have to have some form of artificial respiration until the
Speaker 1: toxin works its way out of your body. So if
Speaker 1: you're put on a ventilator or you know, given CPR,
Speaker 1: and you know, basically you have to somehow have someone else,
Speaker 1: a medical professional, preferably giving you oxygen until you can
Speaker 1: work that out of your body. And uh yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's it's not a good time. You do not want
Speaker 1: that to happen to you. Do not pick them up.
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of these in people's hands and they're
Speaker 1: like bright yellow and bright blue spots, which means it's
Speaker 1: pissed and it's like about to bite you. And it's
Speaker 1: just it's like watching videos of people like standing up
Speaker 1: on those big satellite towers or something. It's just every
Speaker 1: part of my body is clinching in total anxiety.
Speaker 2: I feel like there are a lot of YouTube videos
Speaker 2: of people like feeding bears out of their cars. No,
Speaker 2: it's just like it's just like, oh God, just like
Speaker 2: wait this, and like, am I watching this on YouTube
Speaker 2: or live leaks? Because if it's YouTube, I'm probably fine.
Speaker 2: If it's live leaks, then I'm about to watch.
Speaker 1: A murder, a bear murder.
Speaker 2: So what you're telling me about the blue ring octopus
Speaker 2: is that if I were to start a YouTube channel
Speaker 2: where I was getting stung by venomous animals and telling
Speaker 2: you how it felt, I should not start with the
Speaker 2: blue ring octopus.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's you shouldn't start or in with it,
Speaker 1: although if you do end with it, that would, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would. Basically, if you incorporate that into your weird
Speaker 1: show where you try to mutilate yourself with animals, that
Speaker 1: will be the end of your show.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, But what I was about to say.
Speaker 2: I was about to say something something to the effect
Speaker 2: of like or would it And then I was like, oh, yeah, no, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it hardly would. I would not survive that thing.
Speaker 1: But in terms of nitpicking over where the tetrato toxin
Speaker 1: is located, like you were talking about where the researcher
Speaker 1: was saying, it's not in the chrematophores.
Speaker 2: Stop telling people that.
Speaker 1: So it's actually most of its body is full of
Speaker 1: tetrat to toxin. It's found in almost every organ in
Speaker 1: its body, and it is created in the salivary glands,
Speaker 1: and it is actually produced by a symbiotic bacteria that
Speaker 1: lives in those salivary glands, and it helps them produce
Speaker 1: that toxin. And actually mother blue ringed octopuses will inject
Speaker 1: their eggs full of this tetrata toxin.
Speaker 2: To I hate their babies because.
Speaker 1: They hate their babies. No, it helps them produce their
Speaker 1: own tetrat to toxin. So it's like they're giving them
Speaker 1: the bacteria and the recipe to create their own deadly,
Speaker 1: deadly toxin. I love recipes from mom, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I wish my mom pumped me full of tetradoxin
Speaker 2: before I was born.
Speaker 1: Mom, I love your cookie recipes. Could you give me
Speaker 1: something deadlier?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, if I had, If I had deadly venom, Man,
Speaker 2: how would my life be different? Flashback?
Speaker 1: Flashbackflash back, And it's it's immune to its own venom,
Speaker 1: which I guess is good because it otherwise would die.
Speaker 2: One thing I want to add for the blurring octopus
Speaker 2: is if you're like hearing all this information about the
Speaker 2: bluing octopus and you're thinking, like, wow, blurring octopus seems real,
Speaker 2: full of himself, deadliest venom, blah blah blah. They actually
Speaker 2: are hunted by like mantis shrimp, And if you go online,
Speaker 2: you can find a lot of videos of like mantis
Speaker 2: shrimp just using their fists to beat the shit out
Speaker 2: of bluing octopuses.
Speaker 1: Really taking them down a peg.
Speaker 2: And it's it's the most like real life Pokemon, but
Speaker 2: in a way that's not that's weirdly, not like disturbing.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, yeah, this bluing octopus is just
Speaker 2: or this manta strip is just pummeling this bluing medius.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a soft spot for octopuses,
Speaker 1: even ones that want to kill me, so I think
Speaker 1: I would be sad to see it just getting punched reputedly.
Speaker 2: Do you think the blurring octopus wants to.
Speaker 1: Kill you or no, No, they don't. They actually they
Speaker 1: kind of go out of the way not to kill you,
Speaker 1: so they will That's why they flash that warning at you.
Speaker 1: They're actually pretty shy. They don't like chase you and
Speaker 1: try to bite you. That it's like, if you pester
Speaker 1: it enough, it will eventually bite you because it thinks
Speaker 1: that you're about to kill it. But yeah, that that
Speaker 1: coloration is actually apisimitism. So it's saying like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: actually super deadly. You don't want to mess with me.
Speaker 1: Look at me. I'm like yellow and covered in pretty
Speaker 1: blue dots. And then you know it's like, hey, Marth,
Speaker 1: we'll look at this cool octopus. It's so pretty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: under humans, we don't we we don't understand what you're
Speaker 1: telling us. Animals, when you're pretty and bright, we want
Speaker 1: to suck on you like a lollipop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to know, Like how many famous
Speaker 2: last words if people were, hey, check this thing out.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny that you would say that there
Speaker 1: are Like I remember reading about this thing in one
Speaker 1: of my biology classes where it was this guy who
Speaker 1: picked up a couple of cone snails and those are
Speaker 1: also they have very deadly harpoons that they can shoot
Speaker 1: at you with a neurotoxin. And he like picked it
Speaker 1: up and held it up and he's like like said
Speaker 1: something along those lines of like hey, check this out,
Speaker 1: and then it like shot him in his neck, and yeah,
Speaker 1: how is it? Yeah, yeah, it's don't if you don't
Speaker 1: recognize it and it's a wild animal, don't pick it up.
Speaker 2: Actually, unless it looks like a cat, then go nuts,
Speaker 2: because it's probably friendly. Right.
Speaker 1: Just have you learned nothing from our catfish section?
Speaker 2: I mean, look everything that I listened to win in
Speaker 2: one ear and then in my mind I just remember
Speaker 2: the cat part and then all the other information.
Speaker 1: Just shot it. I've been too busy building the Garfield
Speaker 1: shark world to really retain any of this enormy we
Speaker 1: already established.
Speaker 2: It's called sharkfield.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sharkfield all right? How come it's mostly non mammals
Speaker 1: like invertebrate's fission reptiles who get all the cool deadly venom.
Speaker 1: Mammals can have venoms, such as the slow Loris platypus
Speaker 1: and Solenodon, a cute little shrew like animal with a
Speaker 1: poisonous bite. But most of us mammals are stuck with
Speaker 1: our fur, hair and milk. Well, evolution doesn't really care
Speaker 1: about what we think would be cool. All that matters
Speaker 1: is whether you live to pass on your genes, And
Speaker 1: it turns out mammals have other more effective tools for
Speaker 1: doing that sharp claws, teeth and imprimate hands and a brain,
Speaker 1: which means we can defend ourselves and kill things even
Speaker 1: quicker than most venom works. While it's true that the
Speaker 1: blue ring octopus can kill things in under a minute,
Speaker 1: most venom takes a while to kick in, whereas teeth
Speaker 1: and claws can typically take something down much faster, so
Speaker 1: we don't really need venom to get the job done.
Speaker 1: Whereas an itty bitty, squishy octopus has very few other
Speaker 1: weapons at its disposals, so it needs something to keep
Speaker 1: other fish and marine animals from treating it like a
Speaker 1: living couche ball. When we return, we're getting out of
Speaker 1: the water crawling up on land to talk about a
Speaker 1: couple of very intimidating birdies. So birds, they're adorable, little
Speaker 1: feathery puff balls who chirp and cheap and steel their wridos.
Speaker 1: But once in a while there are bird species that
Speaker 1: remind us that they're actually living dinosaurs. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: meet two big birds and find out if they want
Speaker 1: to teach us about letters or you know, kill us. Joey,
Speaker 1: you know I like birds, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm well aware that you were the preeminent bird
Speaker 2: meme creator on the internet.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, the bird memes. It's gonna it's
Speaker 1: gonna go on my tombstone. Like created the bird memes,
Speaker 1: coined the word burb.
Speaker 2: Every time I see the word burb on the internet,
Speaker 2: like I do think like Golden created that.
Speaker 1: Ah, thank you. I think it's true too. I like
Speaker 1: did a little digging, and I think one of my
Speaker 1: stupid bird tweets was the first to use that term.
Speaker 1: There could have been like parallel creation, you know, like
Speaker 1: parallel invention someone else at the same time. But you know,
Speaker 1: I like to credit myself because it makes me feel
Speaker 1: good and powerful. So powerful.
Speaker 2: Yes, you and you controlled the berb Empire.
Speaker 1: I am in charge of bird memes and soon the world.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about two birds who look
Speaker 1: I think they both look equally goofy and terrifying. And
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to pick which one you want
Speaker 1: to just like chill out with and which one you're
Speaker 1: gonna try to avoid. So we have the cassowary and
Speaker 1: the shoe bill stork, and I have provided pictures of
Speaker 1: these guys to you. And the cassawery is a flightless
Speaker 1: bird who looks like a mop with a turkey head.
Speaker 1: And the shoebill stork is a huge stork like bird
Speaker 1: who has a massive beak and looks like the world's
Speaker 1: most terrifying bird muppet.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, shoe bell stork is the animal that
Speaker 2: I would cuddle one because it just like looks it
Speaker 2: just like looks like I'm up then too, if I
Speaker 2: remember correctly, cassowaries like kill people by cutting them. I
Speaker 2: also thought that catfish eight people. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what do I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have chosen correctly. I think you're three
Speaker 1: for three, right, Congratulations, you have survived the animal gauntlet.
Speaker 1: So yes, cassawerries you don't really want to mess with,
Speaker 1: and I will tell you exactly why. So, cassawerries are
Speaker 1: a group of birds similar to the emu, but smaller,
Speaker 1: and they are actually related to the emu. They are
Speaker 1: found in Australia, Indonesia, the Maluku Islands, and Papua New Guinea.
Speaker 1: They grow up to five to six feet tall, so
Speaker 1: that's one point five to two meters and they have
Speaker 1: these bright blue heads, a pink wattle or an orange neck,
Speaker 1: and they basically it looks like a weird turkey head.
Speaker 1: And the females are larger and more brightly colored than
Speaker 1: the males. We yeah, clean slay literally, so they have
Speaker 1: a hard keratin caskue on top of their heads. So
Speaker 1: a cask in birds is it's like this sort of
Speaker 1: like keratin structure and it looks like a shark fin
Speaker 1: on top of their heads. And it speculated that it
Speaker 1: is used as like a resonance chamber for their call.
Speaker 1: And they can run up to thirty miles an hour.
Speaker 1: They can jump up to five feet and they're good swimmers,
Speaker 1: so you cannot escape these these terrible beasts.
Speaker 2: It says a lot about how I view the world
Speaker 2: that when you said that, I looked up at the
Speaker 2: castawary picture and then thought My initial thought when seeing
Speaker 2: it was like, why is that bird wearing that silly hat,
Speaker 2: and then I did not stop to it all analyze.
Speaker 2: The thought of just assuming that the bird was wearing
Speaker 2: a silly hat was weird, and I was just like, well,
Speaker 2: carry it on.
Speaker 1: I think it pulls it off. Honestly, it works it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good bath.
Speaker 1: But they so they mostly eat fruit, and they are omnivores,
Speaker 1: so they'll eat invertebrates and small vertebrates. They don't hunt people,
Speaker 1: but they can absolutely kill you if they want to,
Speaker 1: if they feel like it. So they, like you said,
Speaker 1: they can cut people because they have an enormous dagger
Speaker 1: on each of their feet. It's like they have switch
Speaker 1: blades attached to their toes. So their inner toe has
Speaker 1: a five inch long sharp claw that can mess you
Speaker 1: right up. And they are attached to these incredibly powerful
Speaker 1: legs so they can kick you. They can stomp on
Speaker 1: you while stabbing you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would watch a horror movie where the
Speaker 2: slasher movie villain is a cassowary.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about like how Jurassic Parks
Speaker 1: should have looked, where all the dinosaurs had feathers, that's
Speaker 1: essentially it, right. It says raptors had feathers.
Speaker 2: You look at that and yell like it was one
Speaker 2: hundred percent, like that's just a feathered velociraptor.
Speaker 1: Right right, exactly. Yeah, And they so you would think
Speaker 1: that they're probably just going around murdering everyone. And I
Speaker 1: think that the tails of their deadliness are a little
Speaker 1: bit overblown. So they don't hunt people, they don't go
Speaker 1: around killing everyone. But they are one of the only
Speaker 1: birds to have been definitely documented killing humans. So the
Speaker 1: other birds where there's like actual documentation of them killing
Speaker 1: people are maybe EMUs and chickens. To be fair about
Speaker 1: the chicken case is that the chicken had a knife
Speaker 1: attached to its foot because it was in an illegal
Speaker 1: cockfight and it killed its owner. I think so in
Speaker 1: that case, the chicken was armed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also like I don't know, big ups to
Speaker 2: that chicken, like fight the power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't say, I you know, I think the chicken
Speaker 1: was in the right in this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that chck The chickens are terrible. Yeah, that chickens
Speaker 2: cool as.
Speaker 1: Well part of the chicken revolution.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna believe that that's that's basically chicken chikeovara,
Speaker 2: Like like that chicken used its knife to like to
Speaker 2: like slay its captor. And then now they live on
Speaker 2: a chicken island and they're all.
Speaker 1: Super planted of the chickens. Yeah, like a chicken. Abraham Lincoln, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like Abraham chick. I don't know you can. I was
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 1: Make Abraham link cock. Yeah. No, no, no, that's all right.
Speaker 2: Chick chicken laab Lincoln.
Speaker 1: But Lincoln, No, it's not. Yeah, we've got to move on.
Speaker 1: We've got to move on. Kill us this bit will no,
Speaker 1: we must.
Speaker 2: We must persevere like the mighty animals that we've talked
Speaker 2: to before. That's the persevere.
Speaker 1: So despite actually being capable of killing us, there have
Speaker 1: actually only been two recorded cases of a cassowary killing
Speaker 1: a person since nineteen twenty nine. But they will mess
Speaker 1: you up if you tangle with them, so most of
Speaker 1: the time, even if they don't kill you, they will
Speaker 1: give you puncture wounds, broken bones, and lacerations, and they
Speaker 1: usually attack in self defense. But the other reason that
Speaker 1: they can be so aggressive is because humans feed them
Speaker 1: and they become like bears. If you feed bears, they
Speaker 1: will start to become very assertive and very aggressive because
Speaker 1: they want the food that you give them.
Speaker 2: Honestly, That makes me like cassewerries a little bit more
Speaker 2: because it's like a cat when it's like when it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: six in the morning, and like the cats, just like
Speaker 2: I want reck frist.
Speaker 1: If you give a cassowarya cookie, it will stab you
Speaker 1: with its knife feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The children's book. Yeah, you know I'm a children's author.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, if you give a casse a cookie, it
Speaker 2: will stab you with its knife.
Speaker 1: Hook yeah, knife feet yeah. Yeah, my new book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd read that book.
Speaker 1: You should let me know. Let me know in the
Speaker 1: comments if you want me to write that book. So,
Speaker 1: they actually will attack cars because they associate them with food,
Speaker 1: which is a bold move I think. And they will
Speaker 1: attack dogs unprovoked because often wild dogs are predators. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if you bring your dog on a walk around where
Speaker 1: these castawerries live, it can, you know, kill your dog.
Speaker 1: So don't do that, and don't feed them and just
Speaker 1: leave them alone.
Speaker 2: So them attacking cars because they associate them with food
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. But I want to believe
Speaker 2: that the reason that they attack cars they want to
Speaker 2: avenge their falling. Dear brothers, this is for you, dear hey,
Speaker 2: This is for you, dear.
Speaker 1: It's another insurance scam. Yeah, these animals out for insurance monies.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: So now let's talk about the shoe bill stork. So,
Speaker 1: shoe bills look like terrifying, gray, feathery, dinosaur like storks
Speaker 1: with huge boat shaped bills. They're called shoe like. The
Speaker 1: descriptions are like their bills are shaped like shoes. I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of shoes people are wearing. I
Speaker 1: guess these kind of look like wooden clogs maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say like clogs. They look they
Speaker 2: look like I mean, honestly, they look not dissimilar to
Speaker 2: a lot of like Kanye West's shoe designs. A easy Yeah,
Speaker 2: they look they look a lot like Easy's. So it's
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 1: Easy bills short the easy bill stork.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they changed this name to the easy
Speaker 2: bill stork, I wouldn't hate it.
Speaker 1: These easy bills. Yeah, so they actually are not storks.
Speaker 1: They are more closely related to pell plans, and they
Speaker 1: grow up to five feet tall with a seven to
Speaker 1: eight foot wingspan, and they can totally fly, and they
Speaker 1: live in the swamps in eastern tropical Africa. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they are very intimidating looking birds, But at the same
Speaker 1: time they kind of look like a huge muppet, which
Speaker 1: is like it's like scary and cute and you're it's
Speaker 1: very confusing, and they have these like their eyes somehow
Speaker 1: have this expression of just like fierceness. It's hard to explain.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look it doesn't look scary like it's gonna
Speaker 1: attack you. It looks intimidating, like it's super wise. And
Speaker 1: if you don't answer it's riddle correctly, you will just
Speaker 1: like disintegrate.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, what do you think it's riddle is? And
Speaker 2: do you think it's about fish?
Speaker 1: Where should you charge me? Put it on my bill?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good, that's a good riddle. Actually, Like I'm
Speaker 2: looking at more pictures of them, and they look they
Speaker 2: look very much like a human wearing a bird costume.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's that. It's a little uncanny, right, It's
Speaker 1: an uncanny. That's kind of why they look like a
Speaker 1: big muppet, like a big bird, like the first draft
Speaker 1: of Big Bird. That's like oddly terrifying or something.
Speaker 2: It looks like they're like their legs look very bird like.
Speaker 2: Their upper body it's like you can almost see pectoral
Speaker 2: muscles and it looks like it looks like they have shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which they you know, it's just the wings.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it looks doesn't It looks off. It looks
Speaker 1: a little uncanny.
Speaker 2: Although I'm just scrolling through Google Images, I found a
Speaker 2: picture of one opening its mouth and it's the cutest
Speaker 2: dan thing Like. It definitely looks like it's saying like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Well, the way it says hey guys, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Is making machine gun noises with their.
Speaker 2: What what is that? That's insane? Is that edited in anyway?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, So it's called bill clattering, and it
Speaker 1: is a greeting to communicate with each other. It can
Speaker 1: be used like as a mating call to loom mates
Speaker 1: to alert other birds that this is their territory, and
Speaker 1: it can be used by nestlings as well to communicate
Speaker 1: with adults and vice versa. So basically like their high honey,
Speaker 1: I'm home, is just machine gun noises that they make
Speaker 1: by clattering their bills.
Speaker 2: Do you remember paper planes by m I A.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All I want to do is bang bang bang
Speaker 1: bang and eat lots of fish.
Speaker 2: I really want to hear the shoebill stork edit of
Speaker 2: Paper Planes.
Speaker 1: By the Shoebill Stork cover of m I A Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Eat your Salmon. There's a there's an all animal
Speaker 1: cover of Drowning Pool. Let the Bodies hit the floor.
Speaker 1: It's very good. I'll show it to you after the show.
Speaker 1: Very good. But so they do hunt, but they hunt fish,
Speaker 1: baby crocodiles, eels, and monitor lizards. So they're not joking
Speaker 1: around when it comes to hunting in the swamp, and
Speaker 1: their way of hunting is actually kind of creepy. So
Speaker 1: they will stand perfectly still waiting to ambush their prey,
Speaker 1: and it's almost they're kind of like the you know,
Speaker 1: like the Doctor who Weeping Angels, because they're like they're
Speaker 1: gray and they stand really still. And they do literally
Speaker 1: look like a concrete or marble statue, just like sitting
Speaker 1: in the swamp.
Speaker 2: That's something that I'm noticing even just scrolling through photos
Speaker 2: of them, is like they really do look like statuesque
Speaker 2: like they look they look like not like real creatures.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I would one hundred percent walk past this
Speaker 2: thing and think, oh, what a weird statue. And then
Speaker 2: hero A machine guns sound as it guns me down.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I mean and for these the fish and
Speaker 1: little reptiles that they eat, and even baby crocodiles. They
Speaker 1: will wait around and when they see their prey, they
Speaker 1: will jump out of statue mode, lunge at them, and
Speaker 1: open those huge beaks that look like these like weird
Speaker 1: boats and engulf their prey and basically anything within you know,
Speaker 1: about a foot radius of their prey, so like they'll
Speaker 1: get a bunch of water and mud and vegetation and
Speaker 1: everything in that beak, and then they start to use
Speaker 1: their beak as like a big colander and they shake
Speaker 1: their head back and forth, draining everything out of their
Speaker 1: beak that isn't their live prey, and then they decapitate
Speaker 1: the prey with the edges of their sharp beak.
Speaker 2: Jesus, wow, this Big Bird first cut got real dark.
Speaker 1: Jim Henson was, Yeah, he was. He got pretty dark
Speaker 1: with those early versions of Sesame Street.
Speaker 2: Jim Henson was going through some shit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, So they are like a horror villain
Speaker 1: for all of the small critters living in the swamp,
Speaker 1: but around humans, they're really harmless and somewhat tolerant of us,
Speaker 1: and they are totally docile. They're non aggressive, and they're
Speaker 1: actually a favorite among bird watchers for how easygoing they
Speaker 1: are around observers, and like the most intimidating thing they'll
Speaker 1: do is like get into a staring contest with you
Speaker 1: and just like stare at you. And it's I feel
Speaker 1: like I would I would poop myself if this giant,
Speaker 1: weird statue bird was just staring at me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't typically attack humans. They just like
Speaker 1: they're like, nah, you get the idea, like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna mess with me.
Speaker 2: I know we've done a little bit of friendship shipping
Speaker 2: before this, But do you think a shoe build, a
Speaker 2: shoebill stork, and a garial crocodile would get along because
Speaker 2: they're both shy?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because like the shoebill does eat baby crocodiles,
Speaker 1: so I feel like that would be a point against it. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to get along with you, dude,
Speaker 1: but like you ate my babies and that's kind of
Speaker 1: not chill.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I get that. So basically that that's
Speaker 2: a that's a buddy movie where they learn to trust
Speaker 2: each other, got it.
Speaker 1: I do feel like the the shoebill and the basking
Speaker 1: shark would get along really because it's like, hey, you
Speaker 1: got a big mouth. I got a big mouth. Hey
Speaker 1: look at our big mouths.
Speaker 2: I want to see the the Tom and Jerry relaunch.
Speaker 2: That's just a shoebill stork and a gario crocodile. I'd
Speaker 2: watch that. That'd be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it wouldn't be really Yeah. I guess
Speaker 1: like a baby, So a baby gariol and a shoebill stork,
Speaker 1: because then that that would be sort of the predator
Speaker 1: prey thing. But then like the baby grows up to
Speaker 1: be really big and then it's like uh oh, but
Speaker 1: then he's just a shy, shy guy. There's there was
Speaker 1: that like Disney movie similar to that. What was it called?
Speaker 1: It was a Lambert the Sheepish Lion, and it's like
Speaker 1: this like lion gets adopted by a sheep, it grows
Speaker 1: up to be big and then like kills a wolf
Speaker 1: or something and everybody loves them. But he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: very sheepish.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I uh, I vaguely remember that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh more Disney lies about the behaviors of animals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, you know, I mean, that's the
Speaker 2: thing about the Lion King is like none of those
Speaker 2: animals would actually be able to be friends, nor can
Speaker 2: they sing.
Speaker 1: I mean it. Lions do occasionally like adopt prey animals,
Speaker 1: but then they often end up eating them anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like maybe they would tolerate zazu for a while
Speaker 1: and then just like you know, I'm just gonna eat
Speaker 1: you today. It's Today's the day. You've been in my
Speaker 1: ear about our infrastructure budget for like way too long,
Speaker 1: and I am gonna eat you.
Speaker 2: But that's like, that's one of the things I love
Speaker 2: about cats is like you'll be petnam they'll be like
Speaker 2: really loving it, and then they're just no time to bite.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, house cats are just little tiny wildcats. If
Speaker 1: they were big, they would maul us every day. Ah
Speaker 1: cute cute, yes, But you know, if you if you like,
Speaker 1: I wish man now, I want a domesticated version of
Speaker 1: like the garial crocodile, just like a little one, you know,
Speaker 1: to cuddle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be I guess that of these animals,
Speaker 2: just based on like appearances, let's be very shallow here,
Speaker 2: which of these animals would you want to cuddle the most?
Speaker 1: Okay, again with the disclaimer that you should never cuddle
Speaker 1: a wild animal. But we're on an imagination journey. I
Speaker 1: would say, hmmm, so we have now are we including
Speaker 1: the deadly ones or just the ones that aren't deadly?
Speaker 2: I guess that it's we're including all of them, and
Speaker 2: it's this is a world where you have protections against
Speaker 2: whatever makes them deadly.
Speaker 1: I see, Well, I don't know. I actually I think
Speaker 1: it would be the Shoebill. I love this fricking muppet.
Speaker 1: It's so good. It's just it's so goofy, and I
Speaker 1: love the like scary goofiness of it. It's like aggressively goofy,
Speaker 1: but it's not aggressive, so that's what's so wonderful about it.
Speaker 2: For appearances, I would say immediately Catfish because it has
Speaker 2: the word cat in it. But like, realistically, I feel
Speaker 2: like the Shoebill Stork is the one that I would like.
Speaker 2: It just looks like a muffet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would like pat it on the back and say
Speaker 2: good job, And then it would make something that would
Speaker 2: make a machine gun noise and I'd be like, classic, oh.
Speaker 1: You feel like we'd go fishing together with a couple
Speaker 1: of bruskis. It'd be wearing one of those like fishing
Speaker 1: hats that's got the tackle dangling from it, and you
Speaker 1: know we'd be just like sharing a beard, talking about
Speaker 1: our lives, you know, laughing about stuff.
Speaker 2: I'd use its machine gun sounding beak to wrap a bank.
Speaker 1: It would be great, a real Bonnie and Clyde situation. Yeah, yeah, fun,
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: me today, Joey and learning which animals are friends and
Speaker 1: which ones. Well, they're still our friends, but they would
Speaker 1: kill us if we were route.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't say they were good friends.
Speaker 1: No, no, I mean we didn't say they were doormat friends.
Speaker 1: They will assert themselves. Got anything to plug?
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