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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know Frunhouse stuff Works dot Com. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, Chas Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and again we have our guest producer, Noel. He's thrashing

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Speaker 1: about on the ground, vomiting, screaming, capillary's bursting in his cheek.

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Speaker 1: Ye all because we wouldn't give him a third pork chop.

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Speaker 1: Not true? Yeah, boy, temper tantrums are. I always feel

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Speaker 1: so bad for the parents in public, you know, Oh really,

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Speaker 1: I always think like, you screwed up your kid already.

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Speaker 1: See you're so wrong. And we're about to dispel that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's true, although I did see a Um we're about

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Speaker 1: to talk a lot about why it's not the parents fault.

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Speaker 1: But I did some extra research and there are experts

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Speaker 1: that say you can also be a bad parent and

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Speaker 1: that could leave the temper tantrums. Like, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to blame parents, but you can definitely play a part.

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Speaker 1: And we as a society of said, uh, from this

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Speaker 1: age to this age, temper tantrums are normal. And then

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Speaker 1: after that then apparently it's like the bad parenting really

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Speaker 1: shines through and then they think like, yeah, there's some

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Speaker 1: real problems this kid has and it's largely because of

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Speaker 1: bad parenting or a bad home environment, or troubles during pregnancy,

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Speaker 1: like abuse, things like that. Um, that can all lead

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Speaker 1: to temper tantrums that turn into something else. Yeah, after

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Speaker 1: a certain age. Yeah, this whole thing it makes me

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Speaker 1: kind of uncomfortable. But just parenting advice period is so

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Speaker 1: like subjective and individual. Yeah, it's it's always feel like

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Speaker 1: people shouldn't tell other people how to parent, but I

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Speaker 1: also feel like they're probably some pretty good guidelines to

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Speaker 1: parenting too. So yeah, and if you go back and

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Speaker 1: look at, um, the history of parents, Yeah, like it

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Speaker 1: wasn't too long ago that it was. It kind of

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Speaker 1: seems to go on a cycle. Like in the eighteenth century.

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Speaker 1: Um Rousseau, the Great Enlightenment thinker, basically was one of

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Speaker 1: just miniature adults and like maybe child something special. It's

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Speaker 1: a time of development we should, you know, become less

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Speaker 1: parent centric and more child centric as far as parenthood goes.

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Speaker 1: And um, that really kind of sparked this different idea

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Speaker 1: And then that was replaced later on by the whole

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Speaker 1: like discipline and all that of the late nineteenth early

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Speaker 1: twentieth century, and then that was replaced by the idea

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Speaker 1: that kids, their childhood should be indulged, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then Russo said, boy, fetch me in my feather, I

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Speaker 1: need to throw up. Is that from Fletch, No, fletch,

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Speaker 1: that's what came to mind. No, I just thought it'd

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Speaker 1: the benjing and purging back in the day, eat till

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Speaker 1: it on your throat and vomited it up. Supposedly, the

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Speaker 1: vomitorium thing is a myth. Have you heard that in Rome?

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Speaker 1: Ancient Rome, vomitoriums they supposedly had like places for that.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard. They were my supposedly their myth mythological

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Speaker 1: and not like the minator, like the real myth, not

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Speaker 1: like they want you to think. It's a myth. Got Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we're talking temper tantrums, and we've already kind of said,

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Speaker 1: um that during a certain period of your life, they're normal.

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Speaker 1: It's actually you would be a weird kid. If you

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Speaker 1: didn't have a temper tantrum pretty frequently, not weird, but

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Speaker 1: you would be in the minority for sure. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're weird. Comparatively speaking, it means you're weird.

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Speaker 1: So like, from age one to age three ish, they

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Speaker 1: basically say, have have your temper tantrums? It's normal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those kids are fun between those those years. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: then there was another study from the University of Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: I found even higher rates. UM. Ninety one percent of

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Speaker 1: months and three years UM had a tantrum on a

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Speaker 1: weekly basis. So it happens. If you had a kid,

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Speaker 1: you've probably had it happen. If you don't have kids yet,

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Speaker 1: just lucky. Yeah, you are pretty lucky. I wasn't a

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Speaker 1: through its full evolution, that that was its process of development.

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Speaker 1: And it kind of makes sense to an extent, especially

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Speaker 1: take the longest to develop. That makes sense. So the

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Speaker 1: Victorians were right all along about throwing up All right,

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Speaker 1: well should we talk about what the tantrum? That there

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Speaker 1: that his name is Michael Potagal. And Portagal found that UM,

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Speaker 1: got that my kids there, he won't shut up. Can

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Speaker 1: you give them some antipsychotics please? Yeah? And uh, the

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist is sure right because he has this, because he

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Speaker 1: fits this criteria. Yeah. It's definitely been a controversial addition

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Speaker 1: to the d S m as are many additions to

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Speaker 1: the d S m uh. But that's not to say

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Speaker 1: that there isn't a larger issue at work, because some

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Speaker 1: of the times there is. So they want to teach

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Speaker 1: you his parents to monitor maybe don't like go put

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Speaker 1: them on psycho psychotropic drugs, but maybe monitor them after

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Speaker 1: the age of four and see how violent they are

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Speaker 1: and how long they last and are they trying to

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Speaker 1: injure themselves or others? Are they holding their breath and

436
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Speaker 1: feigning like how severe is it? Um? Which is the

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Speaker 1: apparently the understanding of that now though, is that kids

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily hold them their breaths on purpose, like it

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Speaker 1: just kind of happens to breathe. They get so worked

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Speaker 1: up that they freathe and faint. And apparently when your

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Speaker 1: kid does that for reek's parents out and then kids

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Speaker 1: learn that if they hold their breath or even threatened

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Speaker 1: to hold their breath, they'll get what they want. But apparently,

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Speaker 1: if your kid holds his or her breath or it's

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Speaker 1: held for them when they faint, their normal breathing will

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Speaker 1: take over again. And as a parent, you can kick

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Speaker 1: start the whole process by blowing air into their mouth.

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Speaker 1: It almost like tickles their breathing mechanism to take back

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Speaker 1: over normally again even though they fainted. And the advice

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Speaker 1: is that I read that if your kid is feigning

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Speaker 1: from holding his or her breath during a tantrum, you

452
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Speaker 1: can't let that alter your your parenting skills, like how

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Speaker 1: you react to it. You can't be held hostage by it. Man,

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Speaker 1: that's so challenging. I can't imagine because your kid faints. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, hats offen, that's like going back to the

456
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Speaker 1: shark again. Good luck remembering the punch the shark in

457
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Speaker 1: the nose while you're paying attack. But that is a

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00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: that is a criteria if your kid is doing this

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Speaker 1: now and it's new, and they're like after age four,

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00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: and their tantrums are increasing rather than decreasing. These are

461
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: all red flags for okay, this, this may be abnormal,

462
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Speaker 1: and let's see what's going on. The first step isn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily taking your kid to psychiatrists for drugs. It can.

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Speaker 1: You can also do a self survey of your house,

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00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: like is there a new step parent, Um, do we

466
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Speaker 1: move recently? Am I an alcoholic? And do we always fight? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know it happens where parents ain't all like kids.

468
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: You know, they don't even they don't understand what's going on.

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00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: We keep the fighting away from them, but they understand

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Speaker 1: and they pick up on body language and emotional cues

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Speaker 1: that you don't think are there, and they're little sponges

472
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: and that could be a reason. Uh, did you mention

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Speaker 1: maybe if you've moved. Yeah, that's a big one. I

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Speaker 1: think I have moved. Yeah, did his best friend get

475
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: a better bike than him or something? Right, you need

476
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: to go get that bike then too. But the point

477
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: is to not be freaked out by isolated incidences past

478
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Speaker 1: the age of four, because they they happen, and um,

479
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: it's not a typical you just need and if your

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Speaker 1: kid has a problem with this, as parents, you probably

481
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: have a plan in place, like you're not just reacting

482
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: to each incident, Like you get together and you huddle

483
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Speaker 1: and be like, all right, we have an issue because

484
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: little Timmy is a nightmare, and so how are we

485
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Speaker 1: going to deal with this? And then let's stick to it.

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Speaker 1: If little Timmy also is breaking your humble figurines all

487
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Speaker 1: the time now, then good because those are awful, then

488
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: um well that's actually it can be a sign, but

489
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a sign. For example, there is a

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Speaker 1: study that had a pretty decent population size from two

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Speaker 1: seven research temper tantrums among two hundred and seventy nine

492
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Speaker 1: preschoolers almost two pre schoolers um and they found that

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00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: kids who are considered healthy um had were less likely

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Speaker 1: to become violent, self injurious, destructive, or verbally combative like

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Speaker 1: during their temper tantrums. But it's also been found that

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Speaker 1: around of quote mentally stable preschoolers will still become you know,

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Speaker 1: one of these unhealthy things during a temper tantrum from

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Speaker 1: time to time. It's not like there goes a homo

499
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: figuring you have to go to the psychiatrist. Now, or

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00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: if your kid like rips the head off their barbie

501
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: in a violent way, that might be disturbing to you,

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00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: but that is about as normal American behavior as has

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Speaker 1: ever been generated by a child. Yeah, if your kid

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00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: is being mean to animals, that's a different story, because

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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: that that is uh you know, it's not a good sign.

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00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: And it's certainly you want to stop any kind of

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Speaker 1: uh like, violent aggression towards humans or animals. Like that's

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00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: not like, let's just see he'll put this plays out.

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00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: You want to get in there, take care of business. Yeah,

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00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: in the right way. So you raise your kid, you

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Speaker 1: get them out of the terrible two's. Age four comes along,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they're like talking to you

513
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: and making sense and expressing themselves. They're able to settle

514
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Speaker 1: themselves down. Um. They they they're just human beings. You

515
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: made it out of the woods until the teenage years

516
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: come and then it starts all over again. Yes, and

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00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: there it starts all over again. For the same reason.

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Speaker 1: The preferntal cortex undergoes a new round of development during

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Speaker 1: puberty from age about eleven to eighteen, and as a result,

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Speaker 1: the emotional breaks that are provided by that region of

521
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: the brain are lost again for several years. Yeah, and

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00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: it's also similar in that teenagers might not feel like

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00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: they can express themselves even though like as a tyler

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00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you literally can't talk. But as a team, you know,

525
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: parents just don't understand. That's the old adage. And you've

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00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: got the hormones, and you've got new things happening to

527
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: your body, and you've got new things happening in your

528
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: heart for you know, the little girls and little boys.

529
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: You start feeling those feelings and it's confusing, and it's

530
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: just it's it's all happening all over again, all these

531
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: things you don't understand and can't express, and then you've

532
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: got your prefemal cortex not helping you out. And that's

533
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: why you're going to see the same, similar behaviors. At least,

534
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: it's basically temper tantrums the sequel. Yeah, and it may

535
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: not manifest itself the same way. They may not be

536
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: on the floor like kicking and screaming and vomiting, but

537
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: they may rampage through your house and slam the doors

538
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: and scream and yell and uh, don't grow out of

539
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: that though, And again if they don't, then psychiatry is

540
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: there to back you up with some diagnoses and pills.

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00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: There's oppositional defiance disorder, yeah, which is basically it sounds

542
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: like temper tantrums. It it sounds like temper tantrums, basically

543
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah. This study from University of San

544
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: Diego was pretty interesting. I thought they studied kids between

545
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: the ages of ten and twenty two. It's not a kid,

546
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: by the way, and um between eleven and eighteen years old.

547
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: During that window, the speed that they identified emotions indicated

548
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: by facial expressions dropped. So between ten and eighteen, if

549
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: you're like, your kid can't even look at your face

550
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: and read your emotional cues, Like that's how out of

551
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: it they are, you know, like I couldn't even tell

552
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: Dad was mad at me. Yes, because the wires aren't

553
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: connecting upstairs. And apparently the preferales prefernal cortex is also

554
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: involved in um regulating behavior, yeah, which explains why teenagers

555
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: are prone to like risk taking. Well, yeah, because if

556
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: the pre phone cortex isn't doing the job, then I

557
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: think the amygdala takes over and the amygdala is is

558
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: not a good thing to be running your emotions running

559
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: the show. No, not emotionally. So you got anything else

560
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: you want to talk about that girl from Militcheville, Yeah,

561
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'll actually read that part. There was a

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00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: girl UH who in two thousand and twelve, UH, at

563
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: the age of six, was arrested and taken to the

564
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Speaker 1: police station from her kindergarten class because the temper tantrum

565
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: she threw was so bad she was wrecking her kindergarten class.

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Speaker 1: She was taken to jail for a temper tantrum like

567
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: knocking over bookcases onto the principle. Yeah, and injuring the principle. Um.

568
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: And she h apparently was just on a rampage and

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Speaker 1: the cops took her to jail, didn't book her process

570
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: or anything, but I'm sure scared the daylights out of

571
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: this little girl. And the school said she can't come

572
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: back the rest of this year. Yeah, she's just invited. Yeah.

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00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: Luckily it was in April, so I imagine there was

574
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: only a couple of months left to school. Still. Yeah,

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00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: so we hope she's doing better. Sure, we won't say

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Speaker 1: her name. We didn't say her name to Nope, the

577
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: article does, which I thought was slightly irresponsible. Oh she

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00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: was a news item. Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, Hey,

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00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to be in the news, little girl. Right,

580
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: that's it, all right. If you want to learn more

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00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: about temper tantrums, you can procreate and have a kid

582
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: and then see it firsthand. That's right. You can also

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Speaker 1: before you do that, if you want to find out

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in that kind of thing, type in

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Speaker 1: temperate tantrums. In the search part how stuff works, dot

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00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: common will bring up this article. And I said, search

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Speaker 1: bars means it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call

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Speaker 1: this uh positive amnesia. Hey, guys, Nearly five years ago

589
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: and and uh Portland, Oregon, I was in a near

590
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: fatal motorcycle wreck that not only knocked my brain around

591
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Speaker 1: in my full face helmet, but also shattered my pelvis,

592
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: broke two ribs to vertebrae, left wrist, right thumb, left collarbone.

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Speaker 1: Has this show at all? I know? Evil Kinevil. I

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00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: was in the hospital for two weeks, but only remember

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: bits and pieces of the last few days of my stay,

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Speaker 1: though I was mostly awake the whole time. The doctors

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Speaker 1: told me that nearly UH I had a nearly two

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Speaker 1: week gap in my memory, and it was a combination

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Speaker 1: of shock and medically induced amnesia. I learned a lot

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Speaker 1: about the different kinds of amnesia from your show, in

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Speaker 1: ways that my team of doctor never took the time

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00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: to explain me. But I didn't. You're like, yeah, that

603
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: always happens. But I didn't hear you mentioned any positive

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Speaker 1: effects of memory loss. Uh. Through my memory loss, it

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Speaker 1: did not. Though my memory loss did not prevent severe

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Speaker 1: ps PTSD after the incident, I think it has ultimately

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Speaker 1: helped me be less afraid of red light running land rovers.

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Speaker 1: I think we did mention that it was that was

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Speaker 1: one positive effect of it. I thought, I think maybe not. Well,

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Speaker 1: if we're not, then we're glad that. Adrian wrote in

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Speaker 1: he said, Um, also, I don't have the additional trauma

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Speaker 1: of remembering the numerous surgeries and operations. Uh. Your podcast

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Speaker 1: made emny just sound confusing and scary, which it is.

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Speaker 1: But I'm living proof that sometimes it's best if you

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Speaker 1: don't remember. Well. Thanks a lot, Adrian, We're glad you

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Speaker 1: are doing okay. Yeah, be careful, man, watch out for

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Speaker 1: those land rovers. Yeah, red light running land rovers. Hope

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Speaker 1: they hope the dude got in trouble. Yeah, yeah, I

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