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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, and welcome to Latroe, Pennsylvania, on

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Speaker 3: the campus of Saint Vincent College for the first day

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Speaker 3: of training camp practice here on Steelers Nation Radio on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. It is a special edition of

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Speaker 3: The Drive, a three hour edition here West Shuler with

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson, of course.

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Speaker 4: And Matt, here we go. Man, it's hot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I mean everything is happening right now except

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Speaker 3: for the tackling.

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Speaker 4: It's hot.

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Speaker 3: First practice is underway and uh and here we go

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Speaker 3: once again.

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Speaker 4: For another football season for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we got the prime spot here two to five,

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Speaker 5: So I mean, like right now they're gonna be warming

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Speaker 5: up on these one fifty five starts and then they'll

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Speaker 5: get into it. And as you kind of alluded to,

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Speaker 5: we got the acclamation process. So don't get too excited.

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Speaker 5: You're not going to see backs on backers yet and

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Speaker 5: all that stuff. But hey, they're all out here. And

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Speaker 5: my initial takeaway, and I've been away from a little while,

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Speaker 5: I've been on a family vacation, I've been kind of

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Speaker 5: you know, recharging a little bit, is I don't recognize

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Speaker 5: a lot of these dudes totally, at least in Black

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Speaker 5: and Gold. I mean Aaron Rodgers I recognize, but not

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Speaker 5: in Black and Gold. He came back half or Ram

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Speaker 5: and Rams They're like, oh, that's Johnny Smith, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean. Like, even since I was here last

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Speaker 5: for Mini Camp, there's a lot of changes and this,

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Speaker 5: and people think that this team just sits on their

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Speaker 5: hands and is comfortable doing things are out of their mind.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of big name dudes that

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Speaker 5: weren't in the first time ever in La Trope.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the you know that that traditional

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Speaker 3: like this is how the Steelers operate, This is the

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Speaker 3: Steelers way, this is how they do business. That started

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Speaker 3: to change at the end of Kevin Colbert's era. I

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Speaker 3: mean they went out and traded for Miga Fitzpatrick in season,

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Speaker 3: their first round draft pick. It was the first time

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Speaker 3: they hadn't had a first round draft pick since the

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Speaker 3: Beatles were still on tour, right, Like, that was significant change.

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Speaker 3: But man, these last couple of years under Omar Khan,

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Speaker 3: that has really ramped up. And then this offseason, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't think like, I don't think it's hyperbolic or

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Speaker 3: you know, like being a prisoner of the moment to

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Speaker 3: say that this was the most intriguing offseason the Steelers

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Speaker 3: have ever had in terms of what they did of

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Speaker 3: the roster.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, because a lot of people left by

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Speaker 5: design that are going to yield comp picks going forward.

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Speaker 5: There's a big picture playing in place here and frankly,

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Speaker 5: they're trying to do what's really really difficult in this

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Speaker 5: league is be as absolutely as aggressive to win now

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Speaker 5: as you possibly can. You keep TJ Cam's back, you know,

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Speaker 5: I mean, stallwarts one helmet guys, hopefully, as coach likes

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Speaker 5: to say, while still really prepping yourself to possibly land

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Speaker 5: that next Roethlisberger from day one and the draft go

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Speaker 5: right forward. And that's a hard game to play, you know,

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Speaker 5: to walk that fence, walk that razor's edge. But I'm

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Speaker 5: really impressed with how they've done it thus far.

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Speaker 4: And there's been some recent examples across the NFL of

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Speaker 4: teams that have had success doing that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know the Kansas City Chiefs they went twelve

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Speaker 3: and four the year before they traded up and drafted

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes and.

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Speaker 5: The trading up things key, you know, right, you can

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Speaker 5: trade up.

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Speaker 3: The Rams were in a Super Bowl and they said,

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Speaker 3: you know what, we need to go get Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 4: And then and they won one.

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Speaker 3: You know, like even a team like the Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 3: who you know, has has been there in a few

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Speaker 3: different ways in the last handful of years. I think

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Speaker 3: everybody thinks you gotta do the Bengals thing, or you

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Speaker 3: and you gotta get Borrow, or you gotta get Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 3: that's not the case. You need to have the draft capital,

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Speaker 3: and you need to be aggressive at the right.

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Speaker 5: Time, and you have to build the nests and build

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Speaker 5: the nest right which starts as the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you mentioned the end of the Kevin Colberg regime,

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Speaker 5: but things have changedly since Omar took over and Kevin

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Speaker 5: or and Andy Whitdell and you know, the whole philosophical

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Speaker 5: way that they do things. Of course, lines of scrimmage. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, just look at the early picks that have

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Speaker 5: been used on big people on both lines of scrimmage,

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Speaker 5: and to me, that really raises your floor as an

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Speaker 5: organization totally. So if you have a good o' lines travel,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like in rough neighborhoods, rough environments,

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Speaker 5: bad weather, all those type of things, you know, so

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Speaker 5: it's a great place to start. Maybe they could use

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Speaker 5: another receiver, but those guys are always available, I mean,

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Speaker 5: not superstars, but you can get those pieces too. And

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Speaker 5: what I love about what they've been doing lately too

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Speaker 5: is they're just always churning the roster. They're never content.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the Eagles are so well known for they're

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Speaker 5: and the Steelers really starting to have that vibe and

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Speaker 5: I think you'll really see it next off season because

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Speaker 5: they have all these ex your picks and stuff too,

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Speaker 5: and be like, we don't really need an extra guard,

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Speaker 5: but we're gonna grab on anyways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And and a lot of that, like you said,

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Speaker 3: has been that offensive line reinforcement up until this this draft,

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Speaker 3: you know, this past April, they had taken five offensive

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Speaker 3: feels like that's swinging to this defensive side of the

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Speaker 3: football now, right, Derek Harmon, You know, not too long ago,

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Speaker 3: Keanu Benton was a second round pick, a guy even

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Speaker 3: that is like, I think you're absolutely right. We when

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Speaker 3: you talk about building that nest, Yes, your run game

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Speaker 3: and your wide receivers and those things are obviously an

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Speaker 3: important part of that. In the trenches they fall into

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Speaker 3: place the big guys and and and like you said,

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Speaker 3: I think the best way if you want to get

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Speaker 3: best way you can guarantee yourself a pretty high floor

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Speaker 3: is by being well above average in the trenches. And man,

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Speaker 3: I I also think at the same time, like that's

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Speaker 3: hard to do in today's NFL than ever before.

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Speaker 4: Right, look at look at what guys like you.

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Speaker 3: Know, like dam Moore Junior are getting in free agency.

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Speaker 3: That's so well said, and he's a good player.

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Speaker 5: But and just to pull I mean to be frank,

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Speaker 5: I'm very certain that they're defensive front from edge guy

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Speaker 5: to edge guy, high smith to watch between and is

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Speaker 5: ever seen it, you know. So now the O line

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Speaker 5: is harder. You know, it's harder to build the O line.

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Speaker 5: There's more busts there. There's just a much more of

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Speaker 5: a shortage. And with all respected Dan Moore, he was

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Speaker 5: a success story here. But if that guy is getting

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Speaker 5: twenty million a year and yields you a third round pick,

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Speaker 5: it just shows the immense value. It's I'm not an economist,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to be you don't have to be right.

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Speaker 5: If you're a starting left tackle that's average or just

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Speaker 5: just know there's a shortage at the position. So I

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Speaker 5: don't know they're out of the woods in building their

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Speaker 5: O line, but it's not for trying. Well, we'll see things,

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Speaker 5: you know that that to me is one of the

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Speaker 3: And it's a weird it's it's it's kind of a

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Speaker 3: weird like juxtaposition with the offensive line this year because

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Speaker 3: I think, I don't think, I know, coming into last year,

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Speaker 5: Need to do. They're gonna cut somebody that they're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna cut somebody that's gonna be you know exactly, it's

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Speaker 5: And really two camps in a row. I thought that

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Speaker 3: Here, you know, eight guys that you could see is

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Speaker 3: is starters on the offensive line depending on how this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, that's a huge story. You hope you

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Speaker 5: that depth doesn't get tested or Roderck Jones isn't the answer,

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Speaker 5: or see them all who gets old on you all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden, or Tan who can't stay healthy. I

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Speaker 5: mean a lot of bad things are gonna happen before.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's a brutal league. And even just today,

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Speaker 5: my phone keeps blown up. This guy got hurt, that

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Speaker 3: Hurt justin fields and toe and yeah, already Burns had

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Speaker 4: I saw it.

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Speaker 5: So my hunch is they're higher on their Here's something

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Speaker 5: Dale and I were saying a lot to going in

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Speaker 5: the off season. Is I like this starting five better

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Speaker 5: than the last two years because I know what Fraser is.

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Speaker 5: He's a year old. You know, it's you know, at

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Speaker 5: this point, he wasn't even a starter. It was Herbig

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Speaker 5: was a starter. Yeah, you don't know those things. You know,

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Speaker 5: Daniels was a starter. It wasn't McCormick. But I like

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Speaker 5: this starting five better than any other opening day of

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Speaker 5: training camp in the Omar regime. But I like the

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Speaker 5: depth the least, you know, the depth a year ago

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Speaker 5: was Fraser and McCormick. And it's like they three tackles,

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Speaker 5: two first rounders and more. How's this going to shake out?

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Speaker 5: You know? They all could play, you know, now I

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Speaker 5: just don't know, so it'll probably be preseason, but I

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Speaker 5: can't wait to see O line number two rights? Is

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Speaker 5: it good enough? You know?

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Speaker 4: And as I know, you and Dale have talked about before.

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Speaker 3: You and I talked about this during many camp motes,

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Speaker 3: and I have talked about this. I think all of

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Speaker 3: us talk about, you know, similar topics during the off

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Speaker 3: season when we're trying to come up with content, having

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Speaker 3: a second offensive line it's it or you know, just

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Speaker 3: faith in those number twos. We all know it's important

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Speaker 3: during the course of the season because seventeen games, people

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Speaker 3: are gonna get banged up. It's just the nature of

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Speaker 3: the league, right, But it's dang important out here and

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Speaker 3: in the preseason two because how are you supposed to

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Speaker 3: get evaluations of your number two quarterback, your number two

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Speaker 3: running back, your your your second wide receivers if the

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Speaker 3: offensive line is getting blown up on the start of

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Speaker 5: Great example, you know, Like I'm sure rightfully. So, there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of people listing right now that are excited

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Speaker 5: about Will Howard Cool. You know, I'm happy they got

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Speaker 3: As Matt said at the start of the show, there's

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Speaker 3: thing getting Russell Wilson and Justin Fields.

437
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 5: Getting Wilson was sort of this way.

438
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 3: Sort of, but getting getting Wilson.

439
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 5: Four time MVP, one of the best ever done it

440
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,160
Speaker 5: in front of them, you know it. It was cool

441
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 5: when Wilson was walking around the cafeteria and there was

442
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 5: a little boy.

443
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,399
Speaker 3: It was like it was like seeing a really cool

444
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,360
Speaker 3: rock band. But now they're opening up for led Zeppelin.

445
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 3: But I mean, like I this is it's it's not

446
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 3: just the storyline here, Matt. I think you can make

447
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 3: a very like good faith, not being ridiculous argument that

448
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers his time here in Pittsburgh is the story in.

449
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 4: The NFL right now.

450
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 5: It's one of for sure.

451
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 3: I mean, there's going to be so many I was

452
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 3: talking to the Steelers Ireland guys out here before it

453
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 3: went on air Sky Sports, which is like England's ESPN. Yeah,

454
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 3: they're coming out here next week to do a thing

455
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: on Aaron Rodgers.

456
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 4: Really like it's crazy.

457
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 5: You know, the NFL network will be here more.

458
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, McAfee's going to be here next and

459
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 4: all those different.

460
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Speaker 5: Things accent they're opening with the Jets and then Green

461
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 5: Bay's a primetime game and oh, by the way, you know.

462
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 4: It works out very well. You get the Vikings and

463
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 4: the Bears as well too.

464
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And I've been doing this longer than you,

465
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 5: but still I'll never forget that he, by no coincidence,

466
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 5: signs about three minutes after OTA's end, and so he's

467
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 5: going to be there for those three mandatory mini camp

468
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 5: practices and we broadcast from down there. You know, he's

469
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 5: right next to us. And at that point DK hadn't

470
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 5: been here yet, Slay hadn't been here yet. Watch contract

471
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 5: was looming, you know things, there were a lot of

472
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 5: big stories to talk about that any other week or

473
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Speaker 5: any of the year.

474
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Speaker 4: That's your lead.

475
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 5: Oh, they dominate their headlines, you know, galore. And we

476
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 5: didn't even hardly bring it up once. I mean, he

477
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 5: wasn't even running with the first team. He was just

478
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 5: doing drills and I was staring staring at him right right,

479
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 5: and frankly, he looks a lot different than the other

480
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 5: two quarterbacks who I like. But yeah, he's different.

481
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 3: Oh, you and I we'd we'd like we'd be in

482
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Speaker 3: break and we'd be watching him go through the drills

483
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 3: where sometimes they'd have two quarterbacks at once kind of

484
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 3: you know, split and one roll so that left one

485
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 3: rolls to the right, and you're and you're going through

486
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: your drills and it's like, this is not a knock

487
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: on Mason and Skyler and Will, but like the ball,

488
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 3: the ball just looks different coming out. It looks effortless

489
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 3: from him, and the ball gets there quicker, it gets there,

490
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 3: sharper that that I'm with you like that was that

491
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: was very eye opening and very it's somebody's ears in

492
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 3: somebody's ear at all times. Yeah, I mean, whether it

493
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Speaker 3: was Arthur Smith, whether it was one of the other quarterbacks,

494
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Speaker 3: whether it was DK Metcalf or Pat Fryer mooth.

495
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Speaker 5: I think the two words I kept using for those

496
00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 5: three days in mini camp were attentive and engage engaged

497
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 5: because if if he wasn't in the quarterback coach or

498
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 5: the offensive coordinators here asking surely what do we call this,

499
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 5: we do that he was talking to some young guy

500
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 5: and he was the teacher, you know. I mean, he

501
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 5: was either the student every second day or the teacher

502
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Speaker 5: every second day. It wasn't just goofing around sitting on

503
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 5: his helimater or you know what I mean. It was

504
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 5: always engaged.

505
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 3: And like now he's he's with Dk Metcalf as DK's

506
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 3: running down the the goal line. They're trying to, you know,

507
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: playfully kind of punch the ball out.

508
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 5: And now now DK is actually carrying it.

509
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: Now DK is going to although DK is he's just

510
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: tapping him on the head. They're gonna punch at the

511
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 3: quarterback man, Come on, now he knows better. They're laughing

512
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 3: having a good time over there.

513
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 5: But he doesn't even have to be doing those drill.

514
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: And that's one of the like I think you and

515
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Speaker 3: I I don't want to say we were surprised by

516
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 3: this at Many camp because listen, you don't get to

517
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: be air, you don't win four m vps and walk

518
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame by not being engaged and

519
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: not being an actual participant in practice. Like that's that's

520
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: where it starts for all these guys. But I think

521
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 3: some people thought he was just going to show up

522
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: for Many camp in sneakers just to be there and

523
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 3: to shut up the storyline of you know, Aaron Rodgers

524
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: signed but didn't show up for many camp. It was

525
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 3: the complete opposite. Other than participating in the team period stuff,

526
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 3: he was as active and is engaged talking to coaches,

527
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: talking to players. Take I think one of the days

528
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 3: we were out there, he had like a little notepad

529
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 3: he was like taking. Yeah, he was like writing down

530
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: some notes after certain drills and that like that's just

531
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: that's going to be I think invaluable to everybody else out.

532
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 5: Here, no question. And a couple things. I mean, I

533
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 5: think his mental acumen, even through his great career, has

534
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 5: been overlooked a little because the way he throws the football.

535
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 5: The playmaking stuff was Mahomes before Mahomes in a way,

536
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, like people weren't doing these off

537
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 5: platform throws, and probably Mahomes wouldn't if it wasn't for Rogers,

538
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And kids are practicing because

539
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 5: of Ma Homes.

540
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: And now there's like some Steph Curry effected right where

541
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: you go to any basketball game now and kids are

542
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: just chucking up threes.

543
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Speaker 5: But mentally he is ridicultly bright from a football perspective,

544
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 5: and and knowing all the line of screws, all that

545
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 5: stuff's gonna be here. I mean, I'm sure he knows

546
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 5: a playbook like the back of his hand by now. Anyways,

547
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think there'll be any acclimation with

548
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 5: that stuff. And again, you don't get to that point

549
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 5: without knowing yourself and your body and the way to

550
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 5: practice and how to prep and all those things. And

551
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 5: I know it rubbed some people the wrong way, and

552
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 5: I'm sure it'll be forgotten very soon. Well why'd he

553
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 5: signed earlier? I'm like, dude, he didn't really need to

554
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 5: be there. I think they had a gentleman's agreement. He

555
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 5: had a lot. He had some off the field stuff

556
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 5: from what I understand, got married, he had some some

557
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 5: friends that he was dealing with and things, and frankly,

558
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 5: I'm sure he wanted a vacation. I don't think he

559
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 5: was contemplating retirement. It's like, but to the original point,

560
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 5: when he was in, he was in, you know, and

561
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 5: that's what.

562
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 3: You want right away, canniball into the deep exactly.

563
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 5: And it's only three days. But I'm sure camp will

564
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 5: be the same. And he looks right.

565
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: Now, yeah he does, and it's it's a lot of fun.

566
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: We got the quarterbacks going through some drills in front

567
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: of us, Will Howard taking handoffs from equipment. Extraordinary. Kyle

568
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: Powers down there. He's got a great beard. I tell you,

569
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 3: Kyle one of one of my one of my favorite

570
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: equipment guys on the team. He's he's the one Matt

571
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: you'll appreciate this, who kind of takes care of our

572
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 3: radio equipment for us on the road trips. So we

573
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: have this huge rack, you know, that we travel with

574
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: to set up the broadcast on the road games, and

575
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: the equipment guys carry it from Pittsburgh to They don't care,

576
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: but like they make sure it gets on the plane

577
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: and then and then I got to go pick it

578
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: up in the locker room on on game days.

579
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Speaker 4: And Kyle's always the one who's.

580
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Speaker 3: Like, it's back over there in the corner, buddy, I got.

581
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 4: You set up.

582
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: So listen. You know that's the key.

583
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: You know this.

584
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: You worked as a scout. You got the equipment guys

585
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: on your side.

586
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: That's half.

587
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: That's half the battle out of the guy.

588
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: It's a thing. They are the guys that know how

589
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 5: to get things.

590
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: But man like it is, there's there's a I think,

591
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 3: just a and we felt this because we were at

592
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Speaker 3: those first two weeks of OTAs before it turned a

593
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: mini camp and part of that is you alluded to

594
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: was you know, DK and Slay and those guys there

595
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: as well too, which was which was a big deal.

596
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: But it just it felt different that final week in

597
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: mini camp when Aaron Rodgers ran out. It was kind

598
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: of like that, you know when the principal walks into

599
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: the classroom and everyone kind of sits up a little

600
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: bit straighter in their chair and it's time to start,

601
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: you know, taking this a little bit more seriously. That's

602
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: what happens when you I mean again, it's it's not

603
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: like it's not ridiculous. He is one of the greatest

604
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: to ever do it. He's on the You can count

605
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: on one hand the amount of quarterbacks that are have

606
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: had better careers than him.

607
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean the numbers show it, the highlights show it.

608
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 5: There was a stretch when he was really in his

609
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 5: prime that I always thought the best way to describe

610
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Speaker 5: him against the best to have ever ever done. I mean,

611
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 5: we're talking Montana Bradshaw. I mean all the way back

612
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: yep was of all the Hall of Fame type quarterbacks.

613
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Speaker 5: I'll put his highlight tape against anyone's. I mean, and

614
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 5: that's definitely still holds up. But his low light tape

615
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 5: is also better than anyone's.

616
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Speaker 4: Yes, I agree with that. He doesn't have the Breath

617
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: farv low light tape.

618
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 5: His horrible horror better right, it's terrible, but you lived

619
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 5: with it because his highlight tape is amazing. But Rogers

620
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 5: highlight tapes as good. But he's got the Brady lowlight tape,

621
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 5: you know.

622
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: Very it's a very short video of the right of

623
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 4: the low lights.

624
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: I mean, there were some years where he didn't throw

625
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 5: an interception at home for the years things like that.

626
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 5: I mean, just crazy things, you know. I Mean one

627
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 5: of the I remember talking about this when Wilson was here.

628
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 5: The only two quarterbacks NFL history with a better touchdown

629
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 5: interception ratio than Wilson were Mahomes and Roger I mean there's.

630
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: A pretty good company, right, yeah, pretty good company. And

631
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: so that's I mean, that is obviously that's the storyline

632
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: across the National Football League. That's a storyline here, something

633
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: that we're going to continue to watch, continue to cover

634
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: all that good stuff. I do you know, we you

635
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: and I saw before before stretches there when they were

636
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: going through some some some walk through type stuff. Arthur

637
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: Smith is kind of standing on the side of the

638
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, you know, barking out some stuff with

639
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and the offense. What's that process look for

640
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: those two as they kind of signed a middle ground

641
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: of this this unit to operate under.

642
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 5: So Wes, I'm gonna kind of get this out of

643
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 5: the way. I mean, I'm gonna start talking about these

644
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: training camp shows as if we have a lot of

645
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 5: new listeners.

646
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, this is it's a lot of it's

647
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: a lot of the same stuff that we've talked about

648
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: throughout the off season, but we can wipe all that clear.

649
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: You're right, it's they don't want to.

650
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: Assume everybody knows these things, you know, because I know

651
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 5: we have new listeners, a lot of people are psyched

652
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 5: to listen or you know, just tuning in now because

653
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: it's basically officially football season. To me, this is like

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Speaker 5: day one of the season. And I do think the

655
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Speaker 5: Rogers Smith dynamic is really interesting and it's gonna take

656
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Speaker 5: a while for us to decipher it. But here's the

657
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Speaker 5: starting point is Smith was the tight end coach with

658
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Speaker 5: the Titans, where Lafleur, who's now the head coach of

659
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Speaker 5: Green Bay, was the offensive coordinator. They had immense success there, Tannehill, Derrick,

660
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Speaker 5: Henry AJ Brown.

661
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Speaker 4: The Nasty Championship Game, a couple division titles.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as big time OC's often do, he gets plucked

663
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Speaker 5: to be the head coach for the Packers and it's

664
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Speaker 5: had a very successful career where Aaron Rodgers was obviously

665
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Speaker 5: he wanted to take Smith with him. Vrabel, the head

666
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Speaker 5: coach at the time in Tennessee, said no, we really

667
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Speaker 5: like this Smith guy. We're gonna make him the next

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Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. Okay, So basically why I'm saying this is

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Speaker 5: then Rogers then learned the Laflora offense, which was noticeably

670
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Speaker 5: different to what he was doing with McCarthy for the

671
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Speaker 5: majority of his career, a lot more West Coast verbiage

672
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah blah. So they have common roots,

673
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Speaker 5: I mean where they came kind of from the same place.

674
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Speaker 5: And even the guys with the Jets have some some

675
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Speaker 5: roots in this system. You know, there's a lot of overlap,

676
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Speaker 5: you know, right now.

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Speaker 3: So that gives you more confidence that, like they should

678
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Speaker 3: be speaking a lot of the same language already.

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Speaker 5: That I absolutely think is definitely in tow now. It's

680
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Speaker 5: easy to for everybody to be buddies here. It's different

681
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Speaker 5: when you're in Baltimore in the end of the third

682
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Speaker 5: quarter it's boring down rain and you need you know,

683
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Speaker 5: you're down four. Should you run the ball here? Or

684
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Speaker 5: what should we do? So the Jets had the fewish

685
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Speaker 5: rushing attempts in the entire league last year. Steelers are

686
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Speaker 5: not that way. I mean, I think obviously anyone knows

687
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Speaker 5: that part.

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Speaker 3: Steelers were second in the league last year.

689
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Speaker 4: In third and.

690
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Speaker 5: Second Philly was super high, super high.

691
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Speaker 3: But they also played with a lot more leads, and

692
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Speaker 3: they also have quarterbacks who run the ball a lot.

693
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Speaker 5: Of That's the one thing to say with the Jets

694
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Speaker 5: is they also didn't get rushing attempt from the quarterback

695
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Speaker 5: position Rogers and the Steelers won't either, So maybe the

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Speaker 5: rushing attempts aren't as high because you don't have the fields. Wilson,

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Speaker 5: you know, runs, but there's also Rogers often, because he

698
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Speaker 5: has his power, will check the throws at the line

699
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Speaker 5: of scrimmage, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the most notorious for doing

701
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Speaker 3: that in terms of the quarterbacks in recent.

702
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Speaker 5: History, and in his career it's worked extremely well. Now

703
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Speaker 5: is he still that guy that's winning MVPs and should

704
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Speaker 5: check the passes left and right? Or should he be

705
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Speaker 5: end of career? Lway that should make eight throws a

706
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Speaker 5: game that not everyone can and hand it to T

707
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Speaker 5: Davis and win Super bowls. Yep, for the defense, you

708
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Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like, that's those things will have

709
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Speaker 5: to hash themselves out, you know.

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Speaker 3: And that's a good example by you, Like I think

711
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Speaker 3: a lot of people have brought up the Peyton Manning example.

712
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Speaker 3: That's a great one, right, But Peyton Manning was a

713
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Speaker 3: traction of what he was, whereas John Elway was John

714
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Speaker 3: always still had He's still the old gun slinger in

715
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Speaker 3: you could he could, he could bring it out from

716
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Speaker 3: time to time. It's like Sidney Crosby of getting Maalk

717
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Speaker 3: and occasionally, you know what I mean, you still you

718
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: still see it, You still see it every once in

719
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Speaker 3: a while.

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Speaker 5: And I can just about promise people you will see

721
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Speaker 5: some of that. I don't know how much of Rogers totally,

722
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Speaker 5: you know, like, oh I remember watching that I'm on

723
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Speaker 5: the football ten years ago.

724
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Speaker 3: Yes, that they'll they'll be like, you know, the day

725
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Speaker 3: the day after games, they'll be like cut ups on

726
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Speaker 3: social media of like side by side of a throw

727
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Speaker 3: that he made dk metcalf first one that he made

728
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Speaker 3: to the var Jordy Nelson eleven years ago, or.

729
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Speaker 5: No feet on the ground across his body forty years

730
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Speaker 5: forty yards downfield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right.

732
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Speaker 5: And I'm picking on Russell Wilson, but I think it

733
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Speaker 5: became pretty clear that he didn't have that stuff from

734
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Speaker 5: ten years ago, and Rogers might not. And Rogers might

735
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Speaker 5: for a month and then by December his body's not

736
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Speaker 5: holding up. I mean this there's a lot of questions.

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Speaker 4: Forty one years old. I mean absolutely got him for free.

738
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Speaker 5: I mean people aren't giving away guys that you know

739
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Speaker 5: that don't have questions.

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Speaker 3: Right right, And along those those similar lines, like with

741
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Speaker 3: the the aging, you know what I mean, father time

742
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Speaker 3: is father time is undefeated.

743
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Speaker 4: We know this.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine, though, you feel more confident about his

745
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Speaker 3: aging with just how cerebral he is above the neck.

746
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, absolutely, Whereas I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know if that was ever the calling card of

748
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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson's game, you know, not that he was not

749
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Speaker 3: that he was terrible at it, but it wasn't it

750
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Speaker 3: wasn't a strength. They were not saying he's dumb, yeah right,

751
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: right exactly.

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Speaker 5: I mean he's won a ton of games, he's had

753
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Speaker 5: a great career. He might go, well, yeah, but he was.

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Speaker 5: I always call it. It's like the the brains versus

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Speaker 5: bron conversation. You know, like if you if you build

756
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Speaker 5: to graph the axis, this is the y access brains.

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Speaker 5: This is Braun. And fortunately for like the Mahomes Alan

758
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Speaker 5: Jackson's of the world, their brains in Braun. They're both

759
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Speaker 5: peaking at the right time. Right now. You know. I

760
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Speaker 5: mean that's wonderful. Ye Now, Rogers brain is still going

761
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Speaker 5: to be at the very top of the league. How

762
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Speaker 5: much braun does he have left? I mean just physical ability.

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Speaker 5: We'll see Wilson was never in that level in terms

764
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Speaker 5: of checking at the line of scrimmage, manipulating defenses, all

765
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Speaker 5: those type of things, and that in itself it's a pick,

766
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Speaker 5: but that in itself, I think will get them in

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Speaker 5: the right play calls and catch a defense off sides

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Speaker 5: one more time every other game, or you know, those

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Speaker 5: type of things, the little tricks that he has.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the movie Miracle Matthew about the

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty embarrassingly No, okay, you need to, you would

772
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Speaker 3: love it. There's a scene in there where you know,

773
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Speaker 3: Herb Brooks, the coach of that American team they're scouting

774
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Speaker 3: the Russian team, the Soviets, and he talks about Trendy Act,

775
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Speaker 3: the goalie, and how good he is. He says, if

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Speaker 3: you score, he says, if you score against Trendy Act,

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Speaker 3: make sure you keep the puck. Okay, well, Patrick Queen,

778
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Speaker 3: if you intercept Aaron Rodgers, make sure you keep the

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Speaker 3: ball because.

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Speaker 4: That might not happen.

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Speaker 3: Ask Peenie Bishop. He's got two of them. He's got

782
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Speaker 3: from last year and that was hilarious two going in

783
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Speaker 3: the cafeteria and seeing those guys talking and laughing today

784
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: Beanie and Aaron Rodgers. Uh, you gotta love that kind

785
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 3: of stuff. As Yes, Patrick Queen making a play there.

786
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Speaker 3: As we've got some reps on going in front of us.

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Speaker 3: We've got to get to a break. We will let's

788
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Speaker 3: talk talk more Rogers. Oh, absolutely, we're gonna we We've

789
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Speaker 3: got three weeks here and then yes, and then even

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Speaker 3: more leading up to you know that time between camp

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00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: and the regular season, so plenty to get too. I

792
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Speaker 3: will continue to talk a little bit about this offense

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Speaker 3: you right before we went to break there. And if

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Speaker 3: you are somebody who's on social media, it's all over

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Speaker 3: social media now. But Aaron Rodgers first pass attempt here

816
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: in camp intercepted by Patrick Queen uh.

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Speaker 4: And then the other kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: I think that everybody would want to know, everybody would

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Speaker 3: want to discuss. Matt Jalen Ramsey looked like he lined

820
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Speaker 3: up everywhere in a few snaps that are outside Safety Nickel.

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Speaker 3: He was doing it all and I think that's one

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Speaker 3: of the exciting parts about adding him to this defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the whole key, To be honest

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Speaker 5: with you, Dale sent me some stats about a month

825
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Speaker 5: ago about the Steelers production against players that lined up

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Speaker 5: in the slot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's terrible.

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Speaker 5: That's not that. That doesn't mean Beatie Bishop stinks, but

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Speaker 5: I mean it's really bad.

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Speaker 3: You also gota se Jamar Chase there twice a year,

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Speaker 3: which which which I'm sure hurts those numbers.

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Speaker 5: And all these teams put their best guy in the slot.

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 5: Now times have change. It's not like Welkers you only

834
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Speaker 5: got and some of them are tight ends that can

835
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Speaker 5: really run, and I mean they're easier receptions. And guarding

836
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 5: slot players also falls on linebackers and strong safeties and

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00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: bracket coverages and things of that nature. So I think

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Speaker 5: a Menca will be missed. I think he's a tremendous

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00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 5: football player. I don't think he was diminishing, but I

840
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: think it's harder to find corners and safeties. Back to

841
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Speaker 5: our tackle receiver conversation times one thousands, safety is one

842
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 5: of the easiest positions to find adequate starters and my hunches,

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Speaker 5: I mean, Omar probably didn't love having a huge chunk

844
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Speaker 5: of money tied up in a safety you know when

845
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 5: you can get.

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Speaker 3: Especially when he had had the ball hawking.

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Speaker 5: Production from that. But back to the original point, I

848
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Speaker 5: think they're gonna I don't want to divulge too many secrets,

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Speaker 5: but I really think they're gonna change the coverages they play.

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Speaker 5: They were very, very static with a lot of single high,

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Speaker 5: a lot of Cover three, and Ramsey versus Menka. If

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Speaker 5: you just look at it through that bubble offers up

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00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: so many more possibilities. I mean, even if even if

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00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 5: they're both equal players, they're both ninety out of one

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Speaker 5: hundred on Madden or whatever. Yeah, what Ramsey does is harder.

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Speaker 5: And another reason why teams attack the Steelers out of

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Speaker 5: slot so much is because their pass rush is so good.

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Speaker 5: If you have a great pass rush and you get

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Speaker 5: rid of the ball quick, you're getting rid of the

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Speaker 5: ball quick, and that third layer of defense where Minka

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00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 5: is the ball might be out before he's even covering

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Speaker 5: anybody where Ramsey's going to be close to the line

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Speaker 5: of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And I think his

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Speaker 3: versatility and his ability to man up in that regard.

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Speaker 3: I think when you combine that with adding Darius Sleigh

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Speaker 3: and another man to man guy like it might it

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Speaker 3: might not jump off the screen if you're like a

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Speaker 3: football one oh one type fan. Yeah, but I think

870
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: the secondary is I don't think. I know the secondary

871
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: is going to be deployed much differently this year.

872
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 5: I think. And they've been looking for corners for a

873
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 5: long time. It's back to our line conversation in the

874
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: first segment. Now they have one extra, you know, Like,

875
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 5: I don't know who the two corners will be when

876
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: it's just base and there's only two corners on the field.

877
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: Maybe Ramsey will be the free safety and Slay and Port.

878
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: Maybe your four defensive backs will be Elliott, Ramsey, Sleigh

879
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 5: and Porter. Yeah, they'd be your best four, but it

880
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 5: might be Hey, Sleigh, we really like you, but you're

881
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 5: thirty three years old. I think we're gonna play so

882
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 5: much nickel and dime. It's not like your snapcount's gonna

883
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 5: be low. But you'll be a better player in December

884
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: and the playoffs if we can take a little bit

885
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 5: off your plate. I don't think Ramsey's ever leaving the field.

886
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: I don't need I firmly believe that how the other

887
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 5: things shape out could change week to week. It could

888
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 5: change for our camp. Injuries are going to be in

889
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: the mix. You still have the echos and trices of

890
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 5: the world too. But I don't think Ramsey will ever

891
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 5: leave the field. No, but go line up all over

892
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 5: like you mentioned.

893
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know if you heard this, but

894
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin and his press conference yesterday, he said of Ramsey,

895
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: Sleigh and Joey Porter Jr. That basically, you can call

896
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: them whatever you want to call them, but they're all

897
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: gonna be starters, and they're all gonna be.

898
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: On the field together.

899
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: I'm sure a ton a.

900
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 4: Ton and and that makes a ton of sense.

901
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: And I think like Ramsey's right now, they even broke

902
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 5: the huddle, but he is lining up as a true

903
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 5: free safety. They're not even close to the same player.

904
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: But Cam Sutton brought some of that. You know, he

905
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: was the way way watered down potential five years ago.

906
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 5: That was something they liked from him, is he could

907
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 5: do all those things. He's a big, strong slot and

908
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 5: like Hilton, had a great career here. But those guys

909
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 5: are starting to, you know, just just slot players on

910
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: both sides of the ball are getting bigger and bigger.

911
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 5: You have to deal with Kelsey's and chases. It's not

912
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 5: all Welker's and Edelman's and Hilton's, you know. I mean,

913
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 5: you need big body dudes because the Shanahan's and mcvay's

914
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: of the world. You tried out of Hilton at slot

915
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 5: or Beanie for that matter, Well, what do you think.

916
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 5: What do you think the Ravens are gonna do when

917
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: Beanie's on the field. They're gonna make him tackle, run

918
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 5: right at it, tackle Derrick Henry. That's easier said than done.

919
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 5: That's a physical position.

920
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: That's a tall task for any NFL player, smaller, smaller

921
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: nickelback right. Yeah, oh man, he just gives.

922
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 5: You less weaknesses and more possibility.

923
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it. Less weaknesses and

924
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: a ton of possibilities. Namely so, Matt, I think one

925
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: person who had and again, like you mentioned like I don't.

926
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone was excited about Menca being dealt. No,

927
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: that's that's that's the wrong word to use for it.

928
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 3: But I do think a guy who really stands to

929
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: benefit from how the Steelers are going to play and

930
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: deploy this year is Joey Porter Junior where he's.

931
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 5: Going to be mentors now too.

932
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: And like he's just he's too much off the ball

933
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: and in zone coverage these past couple of years where

934
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: you want him up on the line of scrimmage, press man,

935
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: getting his hands, playing.

936
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: Tough on people.

937
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: That was more difficult to do last year. That shouldn't

938
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: be a problem this year.

939
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And again we had really good conversations you and I.

940
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 5: Did Ota is in mini camp too, and I've done

941
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 5: it on a lot of different outlets. You have, I believe,

942
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 5: the best pass rush in the league. And the reason

943
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 5: you didn't dominate in the sack category.

944
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: I know where you're going with this is.

945
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 5: Because of coverage. You know, because you had you didn't

946
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 5: You couldn't press at the line of scrimmage, you couldn't

947
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 5: make the quarterback pat the ball one time too many

948
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: or things like that. And it wasn't like because it

949
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: always came out fast, but they knew where the predictable

950
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 5: coverages were. Your slot was a problem, your second corner

951
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 5: was a problem that they were able to you know,

952
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 5: not in not in the gate, but mute your incredible

953
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 5: pass rush more than it should, and I think they were.

954
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 5: One of my favorite things about being on the air

955
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 5: is or doing this for a living, is trying to

956
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 5: think is every team thinks, and the off seasons are

957
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 5: one of the only times they don't lie. And to me,

958
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: the Steelers very much recognize that we're not getting enough

959
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: out of the league's best pass rush.

960
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 3: We can't be finishing sixteenth in the league in sacks

961
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: like they did last year.

962
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: They can't, and there's no excuse for it. Not that

963
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: the pass rush was the problem. They also led the

964
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 5: league in force fumbles and batted down passes, and they

965
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 5: pressured a lot. But it's almost like you're god given

966
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 5: right around here to be the top of the league

967
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 5: in sacks, and this group's as good as I've ever

968
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: seen up front.

969
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: And Matt, you know, twenty eighteen was my first year

970
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: back here in Pittsburgh and my hometown doing this, you know,

971
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: after I'd you know this, but I'd done a couple

972
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: of years with a hockey team in Ohio, three years

973
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 3: with the Eagles and the Phillies out out in Philadelphia.

974
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 3: I think my first this is my eighth season now,

975
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: I think my first four or five years the Steelers

976
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: led the league in sacks.

977
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they set the record for years in a row.

978
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 5: I mean, like, I don't know if it's rare for

979
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: a team to go back to back leading the league

980
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: in sacks.

981
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: And a lot of that was TJ and Bud Dupree

982
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: and Cam Heyward, but a lot of it too was

983
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: the Vince Williams and the Mike Hiltons of the world,

984
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: and we haven't seen that for a few years now.

985
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 5: Now they're blitz it's not blitzberg anymore. And I don't

986
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 5: know if that I'm on the fence whether they'll blitz

987
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 5: more or not, but they now have the option because

988
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 5: I trust slag rush port or if I'm gonna leave

989
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 5: them on islands and it's not gonna be revis Island

990
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 5: or don you know, like it was, but you can

991
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 5: do it ten more snaps than you did and bring

992
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 5: Wilson or Queen's a very good fa rusher, or Ramsey's

993
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 5: got a lot of pass rush production coming on the slot,

994
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 5: you know, Like you have good blitzers, but they haven't

995
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 5: used them much because they need them.

996
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: Because they need them dropping back right right right, Yeah, No,

997
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: that that's one of the like I don't want to

998
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: say under discussed because we talked about it on so

999
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: we all.

1000
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: Talked about it on SNR all off season.

1001
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: But I don't know a lot of people covering the

1002
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: theme or digging that deep.

1003
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: That's that's if it's just kind of your you know,

1004
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: your your your shirt, short blurb in the paper or

1005
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: your you know, your two minute update on on the

1006
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: television or whatever.

1007
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 4: I don't think you're getting that deep into it.

1008
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: But I think that is There's there's a lot of

1009
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: kind of philosophical behind the scenes things that I think

1010
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 3: are very interesting this season. Yes, number one is probably

1011
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: the relationship between Aaron Rodgers and and and Arthur Smith

1012
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: in the past game versus the run game. But I

1013
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: think number two is how much more man to man

1014
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: we see from the secondary, how that could potentially allow

1015
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: the Steelers to get back to bring in more numbers

1016
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: than just their front four on on you know, on

1017
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: passing down.

1018
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 5: The Fangio cover four is kind of the defense sweep

1019
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 5: in the league, and the Steelers were at the bottom

1020
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 5: of it because they would beat single high, right, they

1021
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 5: didn't choose to do that. That doesn't mean they were

1022
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 5: missing out, but again, now they can do kind of

1023
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 5: all the above, you know, I mean that's this division

1024
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: was weird. I mean, to your two biggest competitors are

1025
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: obviously the Bengals and the Ravens, and they couldn't be

1026
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 5: any more in term.

1027
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: You got Derek Henry one week, you got Burrow and

1028
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase the next week, Lamar and Derek. Yeah, Burrow

1029
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: and and Chase.

1030
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 5: One team plays with a fullback of three hundred pounds

1031
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 5: and a bunch of tight ends. And you know the

1032
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 5: other teams.

1033
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: All the the other just had a wide receiver who

1034
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: had one hundred yards and a touchdown every single game.

1035
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 5: Higgins is getting singled, and yeah, this isn't time to

1036
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 5: pick on former Steelers, but all these changes they made

1037
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 5: are very offb to me. Why. I mean, Wilson to Rogers,

1038
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 5: Nausey to Johnson, Jackson to Slay Ramsy.

1039
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: Square peg, square hole, round peg, roundhole.

1040
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 5: Absolutely like Jackson was fine, but not having a real

1041
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 5: legit number two that could play man. You could play man, yep,

1042
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: limited order could do.

1043
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 3: And there there was a real trickle down effect, ripple

1044
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 3: effect of that of that last.

1045
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: Year, and frankly, it really prohibited what Austin could call.

1046
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 5: Yeah and then teams figured these things out, especially late

1047
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: in the year against the best team.

1048
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: And I think that's, you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty, sure,

1049
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: but I think looking in the rear of your mirror,

1050
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the reasons why the Steelers

1051
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: defense was so much better the first six or seven

1052
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: weeks of the season.

1053
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: And then everybody got that on tape.

1054
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: Everybody cracked the code, figured out like these genius coaches

1055
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: across the league do they do? And they were too limited.

1056
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: They they it's not that they like didn't have a

1057
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: plan B. They couldn't find a plan B because of

1058
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: the personnel.

1059
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, like, oh, if you there was

1060
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 5: no plan, you would have the team plan BC inde correct. Correct,

1061
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 5: And contrary to popular belief, a lot of these teams

1062
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 5: late in the year, once they get hitting injuries, everyone on,

1063
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 5: all the smart coaches, all the play callers know that

1064
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: he only has two coverages he can use or protection

1065
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 5: or whatever.

1066
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 4: Because you can't hide any you can't hide anything like that.

1067
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: And no, no, no, no, yeah. So just more possibilities

1068
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 5: goes a long way, and it might not work out,

1069
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: it might not be any better than last year, but

1070
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 5: I understand and very very much approve of their plan.

1071
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, no, you're right, yeah, And I think

1072
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: that's one of the biggest things over the last year

1073
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: or two is a lot of people have been like,

1074
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: what's the plan, what's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so funny, Matt,

1075
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: And to go bigger picture.

1076
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: Like for all three so obvious with the plan for.

1077
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: All three of the major sports teams in Pittsburgh, the Steelers,

1078
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: the Penguins, and the Pirates. Everybody wants to know what

1079
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: the plan is right now, you know what I mean,

1080
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: what's the plan for the Steelers and finding their next franchise,

1081
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: you know, twenty year type quarterback, what's the what's the

1082
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: post Crosby Maulkin plan for the Penguins? And then I

1083
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: guess just the Pirates. They're all over the place, right.

1084
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Speaker 3: I think that at times, I think it was fair

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Speaker 3: of like, okay, what what is the greater plan here

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Speaker 3: for the Steelers?

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Speaker 5: But in terms of a new quarterback room every year,

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Speaker 5: you're bound to question that, as you should.

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Speaker 3: Five different starting quarterbacks and two seasons, I think it

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Speaker 3: was right. But I think over the last six months,

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Speaker 3: I think that focus has like it's not blurry anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a clear focus. I think it's easy

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Speaker 3: to see what.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't building to day. It took a year or two

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Speaker 5: to get there.

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Speaker 3: Like you and I talked about build up that be

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Speaker 3: as good as you can now while building up that nest,

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Speaker 3: and then at the right time have the capital to

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Speaker 3: go and identify your quarterback and.

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Speaker 5: Go get them. And even with the Ramsey trade and

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Speaker 5: the Watt extension, they still have a ton of cap

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Speaker 5: space for this upcoming year and the and even the

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Speaker 5: year after that. They get all these extra picks and

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Speaker 5: you hope you have fewer needs and whatever it takes,

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Speaker 5: you go get the quarterback that you adore, you know,

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Speaker 5: and that won't be first overall And no, unless you're

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Speaker 5: picking unless the seasons.

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Speaker 3: Aside from Joe Burrow, which of the recent first overall

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Speaker 3: quarterback picks you would you.

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Speaker 4: Want to have for fifteen years anyways?

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Speaker 5: I think Lamar was thirty first. I think my home

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Speaker 5: was eleven.

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Speaker 3: Allen was what seven or nine something like that?

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Speaker 5: Right right right, You can get in striking distance a

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Speaker 5: big time guy.

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Speaker 3: You absolutely can. Again, the Bills and the Chiefs both

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Speaker 3: made the playoffs the years before they traded up to

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Speaker 3: get Josh Allen.

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Speaker 5: And won a playoff game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they went twelve and four, right.

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Speaker 3: They would twelve before people were talking about fire and

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid that offseason in Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: See how that worked out.

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Speaker 3: For one hour of the books, two hours to go

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Speaker 3: here of this special edition training camp of the Drive

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Speaker 3: West Yuler Matt Williamson will bring you more from practice.

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