WEBVTT - L.A.B. Golf - Part 7: “Glover Wins Wyndham” - The Fire Pit w/ Matt Ginella 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.800 So after about a week and a bit. It's actually 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:12.400 pretty funny. Mac texted me about maybe a week after 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.440 he had the putter, and all the sext message to 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.880 say was Lucas is gonna win with this putter. And 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.840 that was like, that was probably the week of Rocket Mortgage, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.400 so that was still three four weeks before he actually won, 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:29.520 but he was like, Lucas is gonna win with this putter. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:42.080 Put another log on the fire Nobody here is given time. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.960 Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.199 If you're just joining us, you've missed quite a bit. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.960 In short, in order to address a bad case of 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.160 the yips, in twenty twelve, a guy by the name 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.200 of Bill Pressy went into his garage and emerged with 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.600 game changing technology. His revealer led Pressey to building the 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.240 original directed force putter. 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Meanwhile, Lucas Glover, 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.720 a twenty year tour pro, was battling a bad case 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.520 of the yips and was stuck at the back of 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.320 the pack of almost every putting stat As lab Golf 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.960 was taking off, Glover forty three at the time, seemed 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.760 as though he was dropping the landing gear on his career, 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.480 which included four wins and one US Open. Here's Michael Simms, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.639 Glover's longtime friend and occasional caddy. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.880 When you don't know why or what or it doesn't 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.799 it's so freshing because you don't know how to. I 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.200 don't want to say diagnose it, because you know what's happening, 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.200 but you don't know what to do with it. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.560 To see anyone at any level and at any course 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.200 in the world battling the yips is one thing. But 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.079 to see a tour pro go through it on TV, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.160 zoomed in and slowed down, and in some cases going 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.200 as far as what is best described as push putting 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.160 for his living. Not to mention all sorts of pressures mounting, well, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.440 you wouldn't wish it upon your worst enemy. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.960 And that's like, you know where Mac comes in, and 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.880 you know Max sitting there, he is following so many things, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:13.480 and he came across this guy, Jason Kuhn. And I 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.760 mean I've never met Jason or talked to him. I've 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.160 just listened to some of the stuff that he's put 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.240 out there, and obviously through conversations with other players that 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.280 we have with him, you know, his story is very special. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:30.200 As sim says, Kuhn's story is special, and it's covered 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.880 in episode six of this series. Cut to April of 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.560 twenty twenty three, Glover's manager, friend and life coach Mac 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.440 Barnhart convinces Glover to connect with Kuhn, a former Navy 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.640 seal sniper who's having success helping athletes overcome the yips. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.080 You know, we're always taught it's a mental thing, right. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:53.000 I mean, I don't know about you, but my whole life, 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.760 if you got the yips, it's it's got to be 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.600 a mental thing. It's got to be a mental thing. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.960 So it was really really refreshing to hear somebody come 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.360 out and be like, it's not a mental thing. I 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.120 just did all these I just did all of this, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.720 and I know I'm mentally strong enough to handle what 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.320 I have in front of me. Something else is glitching 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:14.200 the system. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.960 And after only three sessions with Kohn, everyone in Glover's camp, 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.440 most notably Glover, was starting to see and feel a 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.919 way out of golf's deep dark cave of yip's despair. 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.440 But before we get to Glover's mental reset, a putter change, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.360 an inspiring re routing of the back half of his 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.359 playing career, and the details of his tour had run 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.880 from late spring and through the summer. Here's Glover in 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.880 September of twenty twenty three on his life and longtime grind. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.360 On that note, Lucas, how are you man? 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:46.400 I'm good? 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.279 How about you doing well? 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.760 Where are you now I'm at home. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:52.400 Okay, it's been. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.640 Nice, a blanket congratulations on so many things, not only 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.240 sort of you know, hoisted trophies, but just that whole, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.200 this whole process, because I can only imagine what we 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:09.479 can only imagine what you've what you've been going through physically, spiritually, emotionally, mentally. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:10.839 I mean, my god. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.720 Yeah, been a long run, but a good one. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:16.000 You know. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:21.280 It's one of those situations where you preaching to your 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.320 kids and people around you that you know, stay with 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.400 it and perseverance and all that, and then to be 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.560 able to show that it actually works. Hard work and 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:37.000 dedication and determination et cetera, et cetera actually can pay off. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.200 So it will eventually. So it's been Uh, it's been fun. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:42.160 It's been a good ride. 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.080 As you process and look back as you are now 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.720 going to move forward, is there something to be said 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.000 about just that where this is also a little bit 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.280 about not only proving to yourself again that hard work campaign, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.919 but it is about like proving to your kids or 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:03.440 showing your kids. It's like I'm saying this, I'm but 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.560 I'm actually practicing what I preach. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:06.800 Is there is there something. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.520 To that hundred percent Yeah, my my son's ate and 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:15.200 just starting uh his first team playing ice hockey believe 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.239 it or not in South Florida. But uh, and my daughter, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.400 my daughter's in softball and basketball. And yeah, my wife 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.880 krist and I have both been preaching pretty hard the 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.040 last couple of years, them getting into sports and school 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.760 and and different things. You know, even at eight and ten, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.159 this is where they start their their work habits, and 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.279 and and and all that stuff. And then to be 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.039 able to say, see, this is this is what happens. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.880 And you know, if you want something and you're determined 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.360 to go get it, that that that it's attainable. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.839 But it's not. Uh, it's not. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.480 It's not easy, and it's not supposed to be. There's 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:58.000 always somebody working. There's always somebody, you know, reading another 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.960 book in in second grade. There's a always somebody hitting 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.440 more softballs. There's always somebody hitting more golf balls, no 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:08.720 matter what sport or what walk of life. As as people, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.040 you know, talent can only take you so far. It 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.200 can get you where you where you may want to go. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.760 But but if you want the next level, or want 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.520 more success than just talent alone, you have to you 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.160 have to work for that, for for those goals and 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.960 and and that's where, yeah, you said it dead on. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.520 It's perfect practice what you preach, especially to your to 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.240 to to your kids. And and we've had that conversation 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.920 a lot with ours because there's krist and I are 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:44.160 both athletic, and they've been blessed with some athletic genes. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.800 I think, you know, we're not we're not making them play. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.680 We're letting them do what they want and find what 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.240 they want, but also trying to prove to them that 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.600 and show them that you that you have to work 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.560 at it and work for it. And and you know 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.680 that study and that sport, that's you know, that's being 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.760 a good person. They're their manners everything. You got to 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.480 work at it, you gotta practice it, You got to 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.400 be determined to go get it. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.800 Who in your life has given you what you need 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.000 to be able to do what you've just done? Like, 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.000 where does that come from? 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:24.280 Oh, my grandfather for sure, tough love generation. But he 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.480 he was an athlete, played football, baseball at Clemson Ransom 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.559 Track at Clemson, uh played professional football for the Steelers, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.439 came home and then played played Textile League baseball, which 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.480 was a thing in the South where I grew up, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.640 all the all the textile mills had a team. And 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.160 so he came home from Pittsburgh after his football career 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:50.240 was over, played baseball. But it was it was it 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.440 was tough love as a kid, and then as a 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:58.000 as a team in college it was more more of 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.680 a just support and pushing. But but as a kid 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.400 it was similar conversations we've been having with our children 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.040 about working and working hard, and uh, my wife and 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.800 I've had conversations her dad was similar generation with basketball. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.559 Krystal was a outstanding basketball player in high school and 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.600 could have played college, just chose not to. But but 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.160 for me, it was my grandfather. You know, growing up, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.160 my mom had five brothers and I think at one 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.200 time they're combined handicapped. Was was single digits, so uh, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:33.959 it was kind of in the blood a little bit. 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:38.959 But but the work ethic and uh, the the personal 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.800 determination and the personal belief was definitely him. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:43.560 Uh. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.760 He you know, turned from sports to business and and 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:52.079 was determined to form a form a business to support 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.640 his six kids and wife. And and he did that 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.120 too just from hard work and dedication and self belief 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.520 and you know, always been my hero always been my 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.439 role model. Passed away a few years ago at eighty eight. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.480 Lived the heck of a life and you know, one 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.199 of those things think about every day. And and then 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:15.040 my relationship with the with the Harmons, the Harmon family 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.280 and worked with Dick until he passed. But h and 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:19.800 he was a bit of the same way, you know. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.439 He he actually had a hand and softening my grandfather 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:28.120 a little bit to me, more of behind the scenes. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.760 You know, I know you're you want what's best for him, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.160 and so do I. But let's uh, let's let's let 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.480 him work, and let's let him be a kid, and 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.480 let's let him be a teenager and things like that. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.080 But very blessed to have so many people around me 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:48.080 that wanted what was best for me and and I 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.679 had many people do it in there certain ways, but 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.960 it always seemed to work. And you know, similar to 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.920 to to Mike Marnhart, my my manager since two thousand 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.360 and one. He's he's a little more spiritual than than 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.000 than say my grandfather or but opens my eyes to 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.920 different ways to look at things. And that's always good 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.040 to have people around you like that, not just for sport, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.959 but for for just life. And uh, I think it's 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.240 very cool to see now with my children and how 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.520 many people are influencing them and opening their eyes to 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.360 different ways to look at things. But yeah, that my 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:35.840 grandfather definitely instilled that determination and work ethic and it 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.440 took me a little while to to understand that you 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.720 can't nearly treat a twelve year old like a twenty 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.480 year old. But uh, you know, and I'm I'm catching 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.280 myself a little bit with my son because I want, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.440 I want him to go, go, go, but also have 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.439 to turn around saying, man, he's eight, he wants to 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.800 play video game instead of instead of skating. That's okay too, 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.480 but you know, kids got to live. It's got to 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.960 be kids. And you know, I look back at all 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.640 the people that influenced me and and I'm trying to 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.760 make sure my kids have the opportunity to have a 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.360 lot of people around them to do the same. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.920 We heard from Mac Barnhardt of Rock Sports in part 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.319 six and got a history of their relationship. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.760 I mean, you know, you watch them play, you meet 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:26.359 the parents, you're around the coaches, you run his teammates, 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.080 but just he and I sitting in a restaurant, dinner's over, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.400 and just I knew then, I'm like, you know this, 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.559 this guy's different. We you know, we became very close 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.480 friends real quick. He had the kind of same southern 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.880 upbringing I had. His dad played pro baseball, you know, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.959 and my dad played pro baseball, and we just had 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.480 it wasn't like a lot of the other golfers that 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.520 I dealt with. He had a little different mode. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.040 In Part six, Barnhart also broke down Glovers highs and 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.720 lows of his career, the most notable high being has 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.560 went at the two thousand and nine US Open at 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.400 Bethpage Black. Now back to Glover for his perspective, What 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.560 have been some of your most notable highs, your own 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.520 personal highs that you're most proud of. 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.880 Well, obvious answer would be the US Opening on nine, 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.040 And I've referenced it many many times that I wanted 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:24.200 that to be a springboard. I wanted that to be 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.720 a you know, in the immediate aftermath, you know, obviously 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.120 you're you're dealing with the highs of it, but you 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.240 didn't really want it to be a one hit wonder. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.320 So fast forward six weeks to the PG eight Hazel team, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.880 and I got back in contention, and that was one 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.120 of those situations where it's like, all right, well that's 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.199 a that's a that's a big thing to get back 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.840 in it in a major and and just say all 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.760 right that that wasn't just a fluke. I haven't contended 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.560 that much after that. But but looking back on that 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.640 summer getting back in the mix, you know, I've kind 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.480 of faded away there on the Sunday, but getting back 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.480 in the mix a little bit there, and to be 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.840 able to finish that week and just say, you know, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.280 we were kind of back in it and on the 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.440 biggest stage again. And I look back at that as 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.800 a gratifying moment because of the mentality that I had 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.440 that I didn't want it to be just I just 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.360 did that once and I'm never going to be back. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.240 And but things like that where you where you try 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.720 to treat something as a as a motivation or a 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.760 springboard or something like that, and then to be able 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.480 to do it or prove it, or prove yourself or 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.120 prove it to other people is uh is things I 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.720 look back on that that that are that are really cool. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.800 And then obviously a couple of presidents cups always highlight 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.960 and set goals to make those teams, because that means 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.720 you played really really good for a couple of years, 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.520 did that No. Seven and O nine and some of 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.400 the best two weeks I've ever had on the golf course. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.600 Off of golf course too, just being with h guys 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.440 you try to try to beat the rest of the year, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:04.920 and then to be able to team up with them 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.080 and pick their brains and you know why they do 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.320 things a certain way, And I think learn a lot 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:11.760 from being in those situations. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:16.680 That must have something to do with growing up playing 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.400 team sports, right when you can take the sport that 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.480 you ultimately end up playing, which ends up being an 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:29.160 individualistic sport combined with what you probably loved about being 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.640 a part of baseball and team sports, and combining those 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:38.000 two things has got to be probably what means more 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.000 to maybe something someone like you versus like a Tiger 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.360 who grew up or a field grew up playing golf, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:45.240 you know what I mean? 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.240 Yeah, yeah, of course, I just yeah, for sure. I 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.720 think being around the team sports team aspects of golf 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.840 or of other sports and then mixing it into golf 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.600 was very you know, like I said, why I set 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.920 those goals and a very cool experience because I remember 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.960 as a kid playing baseball or basketball or anything, and 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.760 you could say, hey, man, why do you you know 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.320 when you see that pitch, why do you do it 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.000 this way? And try to learn from a teammate that 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.040 maybe be better at something, and then kind of mix 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.920 that into golf. I remember I remember picking Stricker's brain 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:25.120 about putting years ago, and then just observing Tiger how 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.800 he went about his work and just doing different. Then 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.400 you get the up close personal view of of guys 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.840 that are that are you know, either better or as good, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.000 depending on who you are, obviously, and then you can 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.680 possibly take some things from that to to get better. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.400 Talk me through some of the lowest of lows for you, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.560 some of the moments. Have you ever allowed yourself to 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.000 think I'm done? Have you ever allowed if that, has 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.680 that ever crept in throughout this process of what you've 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:02.600 gone through since two thousand and nine to twenty twenty three. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.639 Yeah, of course, you know, like you said, I like 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.359 you a little bit of an older dad. And bottom 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.320 line is, you know, my job at the end of 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.800 the day is to support my family. And there were 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.040 some there were some times where I wasn't doing that, 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:24.639 and so of course I didn't want to have to 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.679 think that way, but it was it was one of 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.920 those things where I wasn't getting it done and might 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.359 have to consider doing doing something different or something else. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.200 And it wasn't one of those things where I didn't 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.000 believe I could do it. It was just one of 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.360 those things where this is reality. Now you know, it's 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:46.000 not just me, and so like, you know, that's what 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.920 made the last few months so gratifying, was now I'm 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:56.199 able to do some things differently, but never gave up 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.520 on the belief that I could do it, just didn't 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.880 know how long it would take and had to consider 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.000 doing some different stuff. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.960 What did you consider, h I don't know. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.600 I didn't really ever have to get there, luckily, but 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.879 you know, there were times where it was in the 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.800 back of my mind that you know, this isn't going 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.800 I wanted to go, and struggling, struggling at home and 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.359 going too much, et cetera, et cetera, and you know, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.920 put a put a pretty good fight up about it. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.119 But you know, it was always in the back of 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:35.360 my head. But the determination and the self belief never 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.639 went away. But you can't make a family wait around forever. 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.679 You take something that's hard, which is the game of golf, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.360 and then you layer in all these other elements of 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.320 you know, questions and put plundents and talking heads and 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.800 and you know, uh social Jabbroni's that are behind a veil, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.320 and you know, you know what I mean, Like all 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.919 of this stuff is happening. How hard was it to 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.280 shield and blind all that out and stay true to you? 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:10.040 Yeah, very very especially the height of you know, just 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.680 embarrassing myself on the greens and different stuff like that. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:19.239 But at the end of it, all those people, if 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.320 they could trade places with me, probably would to be 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.880 able to play the game of golf for for you know, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.080 thirty weeks a year for for a job. And I 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.320 had to keep reminding myself the people that that seem 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:40.200 to have a voice as you call them Jibebroni's. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:41.200 And. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:49.120 They've probably never had to face the pressure and that 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.000 that are that sports and athletes go through. If they did, 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.360 they wouldn't talk the way they did or the way 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.439 they do. And I still remind myself of that, and 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.640 I still say that to other people that they say, hey, man, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:02.800 you know, I'm struggling with this and that, and you know, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.600 these people and are worried about how I'm going to 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.080 play and worry about how I'm going to look. And 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:07.360 I said, well, you know, at the end of the day, 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.520 those people that are going to criticize you and probably 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.040 make fun of you online wish they were you. So 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.320 And the reason they're making fun of you and picking 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.000 on you and saying the things they're saying on Twitter 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.840 and all this other stuff is because they probably stink 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:25.439 at golf. And you know, just had to remind myself 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.200 of that, said, look, nobody, I mean everybody trade with you, 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.320 and you know, it's kind of comforting. You know, they're 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.840 they're saying awful, stupid things because they're they're jealous. Really, 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.719 I mean, nobody would, you know, I think a lot 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.880 of people would trade positions with the professional golfer and 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.240 rightly so. It's a really, really, really awesome way to 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.960 go about trying to make a living. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.520 As it relates to inside the ropes when it's just 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.879 you and your caddy, but ultimately it's just you. Is 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:01.720 the ball striking is it? 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:01.879 Is? 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:02.600 It? 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.640 Is it your success of how many you know, fair 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.240 ways you hit and how many greens you hit that 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.720 that and the fact that you can keep your card 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.800 and keep being a professional, is that what kind of 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.560 ultimately keeps you going through some of this stuff. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.800 Yeah, Yeah, it was always just you know, I'm I'm 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.600 still doing number one. I'm still doing what I love. 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.240 Number two, I'm still doing it pretty good. There were 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.280 times where you know, obviously it's good and obviously it's terrible, 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.080 but that's golf and my sport life and everything else. 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.560 But yeah, it was it got to the point where 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.760 it was, if I can just get this putting thing 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.760 figured out, because I'm still hitting the ball nice, I 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.680 still hit it far enough. I'm not a bomber anymore, 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:49.000 but I'm not short by any means. But I just 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:53.199 had to get the putting stuff figured out. And the 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.880 more that became apparent, and the more it became obvious 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.600 to me is you know, obviously, honestly, the harder it 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:05.600 got because it was such just such a downer. But yeah, 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:09.520 I always had my ball striking in my determination to 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.000 kind of fall back on. But it was just, you know, 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:14.080 you got to get in the hole. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.080 Getting the ball close to the hole came easy for 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:20.520 Glover in twenty twenty twenty one, he was thirty seventh 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.880 in hitting the green in regulation and eleventh in proximity 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.840 to the hole. He was one hundred and eighty ninth 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.280 in strokes gained putting, one hundred and eighty seventh in 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.520 putts per round, one hundred and seventy seventh in one 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:37.160 put percentage, and one hundred and sixty eighth in putting average. 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.440 What is the starting point of what starts to become 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.480