Speaker 1: So after about a week and a bit. It's actually
Speaker 1: pretty funny. Mac texted me about maybe a week after
Speaker 1: he had the putter, and all the sext message to
Speaker 1: say was Lucas is gonna win with this putter. And
Speaker 1: that was like, that was probably the week of Rocket Mortgage,
Speaker 1: so that was still three four weeks before he actually won,
Speaker 1: but he was like, Lucas is gonna win with this putter.
Speaker 2: Put another log on the fire Nobody here is given time.
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Speaker 4: We start this episode in January of twenty twenty three
Speaker 4: with lab Golf, the boutique putter company on the rise.
Speaker 4: Pressey's Revealer was revealing Liam Bedford, Lab's tour rep was
Speaker 4: repping Sam Hahn, the CEO, since buying a portion of
Speaker 4: the company in twenty eighteen, salvaged the business and was
Speaker 4: growing the future one fitting at a time. Meanwhile, Lucas Glover,
Speaker 4: a twenty year tour pro, was battling a bad case
Speaker 4: of the yips and was stuck at the back of
Speaker 4: the pack of almost every putting stat As lab Golf
Speaker 4: was taking off, Glover forty three at the time, seemed
Speaker 4: as though he was dropping the landing gear on his career,
Speaker 4: which included four wins and one US Open. Here's Michael Simms,
Speaker 4: Glover's longtime friend and occasional caddy.
Speaker 6: When you don't know why or what or it doesn't
Speaker 6: it's so freshing because you don't know how to. I
Speaker 6: don't want to say diagnose it, because you know what's happening,
Speaker 6: but you don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 4: To see anyone at any level and at any course
Speaker 4: in the world battling the yips is one thing. But
Speaker 4: to see a tour pro go through it on TV,
Speaker 4: zoomed in and slowed down, and in some cases going
Speaker 4: as far as what is best described as push putting
Speaker 4: for his living. Not to mention all sorts of pressures mounting, well,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't wish it upon your worst enemy.
Speaker 6: And that's like, you know where Mac comes in, and
Speaker 6: you know Max sitting there, he is following so many things,
Speaker 6: and he came across this guy, Jason Kuhn. And I
Speaker 6: mean I've never met Jason or talked to him. I've
Speaker 6: just listened to some of the stuff that he's put
Speaker 6: out there, and obviously through conversations with other players that
Speaker 6: we have with him, you know, his story is very special.
Speaker 4: As sim says, Kuhn's story is special, and it's covered
Speaker 4: in episode six of this series. Cut to April of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, Glover's manager, friend and life coach Mac
Speaker 4: Barnhart convinces Glover to connect with Kuhn, a former Navy
Speaker 4: seal sniper who's having success helping athletes overcome the yips.
Speaker 6: You know, we're always taught it's a mental thing, right.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know about you, but my whole life,
Speaker 6: if you got the yips, it's it's got to be
Speaker 6: a mental thing. It's got to be a mental thing.
Speaker 6: So it was really really refreshing to hear somebody come
Speaker 6: out and be like, it's not a mental thing. I
Speaker 6: just did all these I just did all of this,
Speaker 6: and I know I'm mentally strong enough to handle what
Speaker 6: I have in front of me. Something else is glitching
Speaker 6: the system.
Speaker 4: And after only three sessions with Kohn, everyone in Glover's camp,
Speaker 4: most notably Glover, was starting to see and feel a
Speaker 4: way out of golf's deep dark cave of yip's despair.
Speaker 4: But before we get to Glover's mental reset, a putter change,
Speaker 4: an inspiring re routing of the back half of his
Speaker 4: playing career, and the details of his tour had run
Speaker 4: from late spring and through the summer. Here's Glover in
Speaker 4: September of twenty twenty three on his life and longtime grind.
Speaker 5: On that note, Lucas, how are you man?
Speaker 7: I'm good?
Speaker 8: How about you doing well?
Speaker 9: Where are you now I'm at home.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's been.
Speaker 4: Nice, a blanket congratulations on so many things, not only
Speaker 4: sort of you know, hoisted trophies, but just that whole,
Speaker 4: this whole process, because I can only imagine what we
Speaker 4: can only imagine what you've what you've been going through physically, spiritually, emotionally, mentally.
Speaker 5: I mean, my god.
Speaker 7: Yeah, been a long run, but a good one.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 7: It's one of those situations where you preaching to your
Speaker 7: kids and people around you that you know, stay with
Speaker 7: it and perseverance and all that, and then to be
Speaker 7: able to show that it actually works. Hard work and
Speaker 7: dedication and determination et cetera, et cetera actually can pay off.
Speaker 7: So it will eventually. So it's been Uh, it's been fun.
Speaker 7: It's been a good ride.
Speaker 4: As you process and look back as you are now
Speaker 4: going to move forward, is there something to be said
Speaker 4: about just that where this is also a little bit
Speaker 4: about not only proving to yourself again that hard work campaign,
Speaker 4: but it is about like proving to your kids or
Speaker 4: showing your kids. It's like I'm saying this, I'm but
Speaker 4: I'm actually practicing what I preach.
Speaker 5: Is there is there something.
Speaker 7: To that hundred percent Yeah, my my son's ate and
Speaker 7: just starting uh his first team playing ice hockey believe
Speaker 7: it or not in South Florida. But uh, and my daughter,
Speaker 7: my daughter's in softball and basketball. And yeah, my wife
Speaker 7: krist and I have both been preaching pretty hard the
Speaker 7: last couple of years, them getting into sports and school
Speaker 7: and and different things. You know, even at eight and ten,
Speaker 7: this is where they start their their work habits, and
Speaker 7: and and and all that stuff. And then to be
Speaker 7: able to say, see, this is this is what happens.
Speaker 7: And you know, if you want something and you're determined
Speaker 7: to go get it, that that that it's attainable.
Speaker 9: But it's not. Uh, it's not.
Speaker 7: It's not easy, and it's not supposed to be. There's
Speaker 7: always somebody working. There's always somebody, you know, reading another
Speaker 7: book in in second grade. There's a always somebody hitting
Speaker 7: more softballs. There's always somebody hitting more golf balls, no
Speaker 7: matter what sport or what walk of life. As as people,
Speaker 7: you know, talent can only take you so far. It
Speaker 7: can get you where you where you may want to go.
Speaker 7: But but if you want the next level, or want
Speaker 7: more success than just talent alone, you have to you
Speaker 7: have to work for that, for for those goals and
Speaker 7: and and that's where, yeah, you said it dead on.
Speaker 7: It's perfect practice what you preach, especially to your to
Speaker 7: to to your kids. And and we've had that conversation
Speaker 7: a lot with ours because there's krist and I are
Speaker 7: both athletic, and they've been blessed with some athletic genes.
Speaker 7: I think, you know, we're not we're not making them play.
Speaker 7: We're letting them do what they want and find what
Speaker 7: they want, but also trying to prove to them that
Speaker 7: and show them that you that you have to work
Speaker 7: at it and work for it. And and you know
Speaker 7: that study and that sport, that's you know, that's being
Speaker 7: a good person. They're their manners everything. You got to
Speaker 7: work at it, you gotta practice it, You got to
Speaker 7: be determined to go get it.
Speaker 4: Who in your life has given you what you need
Speaker 4: to be able to do what you've just done? Like,
Speaker 4: where does that come from?
Speaker 7: Oh, my grandfather for sure, tough love generation. But he
Speaker 7: he was an athlete, played football, baseball at Clemson Ransom
Speaker 7: Track at Clemson, uh played professional football for the Steelers,
Speaker 7: came home and then played played Textile League baseball, which
Speaker 7: was a thing in the South where I grew up,
Speaker 7: all the all the textile mills had a team. And
Speaker 7: so he came home from Pittsburgh after his football career
Speaker 7: was over, played baseball. But it was it was it
Speaker 7: was tough love as a kid, and then as a
Speaker 7: as a team in college it was more more of
Speaker 7: a just support and pushing. But but as a kid
Speaker 7: it was similar conversations we've been having with our children
Speaker 7: about working and working hard, and uh, my wife and
Speaker 7: I've had conversations her dad was similar generation with basketball.
Speaker 7: Krystal was a outstanding basketball player in high school and
Speaker 7: could have played college, just chose not to. But but
Speaker 7: for me, it was my grandfather. You know, growing up,
Speaker 7: my mom had five brothers and I think at one
Speaker 7: time they're combined handicapped. Was was single digits, so uh,
Speaker 7: it was kind of in the blood a little bit.
Speaker 7: But but the work ethic and uh, the the personal
Speaker 7: determination and the personal belief was definitely him.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 7: He you know, turned from sports to business and and
Speaker 7: was determined to form a form a business to support
Speaker 7: his six kids and wife. And and he did that
Speaker 7: too just from hard work and dedication and self belief
Speaker 7: and you know, always been my hero always been my
Speaker 7: role model. Passed away a few years ago at eighty eight.
Speaker 7: Lived the heck of a life and you know, one
Speaker 7: of those things think about every day. And and then
Speaker 7: my relationship with the with the Harmons, the Harmon family
Speaker 7: and worked with Dick until he passed. But h and
Speaker 7: he was a bit of the same way, you know.
Speaker 7: He he actually had a hand and softening my grandfather
Speaker 7: a little bit to me, more of behind the scenes.
Speaker 7: You know, I know you're you want what's best for him,
Speaker 7: and so do I. But let's uh, let's let's let
Speaker 7: him work, and let's let him be a kid, and
Speaker 7: let's let him be a teenager and things like that.
Speaker 7: But very blessed to have so many people around me
Speaker 7: that wanted what was best for me and and I
Speaker 7: had many people do it in there certain ways, but
Speaker 7: it always seemed to work. And you know, similar to
Speaker 7: to to Mike Marnhart, my my manager since two thousand
Speaker 7: and one. He's he's a little more spiritual than than
Speaker 7: than say my grandfather or but opens my eyes to
Speaker 7: different ways to look at things. And that's always good
Speaker 7: to have people around you like that, not just for sport,
Speaker 7: but for for just life. And uh, I think it's
Speaker 7: very cool to see now with my children and how
Speaker 7: many people are influencing them and opening their eyes to
Speaker 7: different ways to look at things. But yeah, that my
Speaker 7: grandfather definitely instilled that determination and work ethic and it
Speaker 7: took me a little while to to understand that you
Speaker 7: can't nearly treat a twelve year old like a twenty
Speaker 7: year old. But uh, you know, and I'm I'm catching
Speaker 7: myself a little bit with my son because I want,
Speaker 7: I want him to go, go, go, but also have
Speaker 7: to turn around saying, man, he's eight, he wants to
Speaker 7: play video game instead of instead of skating. That's okay too,
Speaker 7: but you know, kids got to live. It's got to
Speaker 7: be kids. And you know, I look back at all
Speaker 7: the people that influenced me and and I'm trying to
Speaker 7: make sure my kids have the opportunity to have a
Speaker 7: lot of people around them to do the same.
Speaker 4: We heard from Mac Barnhardt of Rock Sports in part
Speaker 4: six and got a history of their relationship.
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, you watch them play, you meet
Speaker 10: the parents, you're around the coaches, you run his teammates,
Speaker 10: but just he and I sitting in a restaurant, dinner's over,
Speaker 10: and just I knew then, I'm like, you know this,
Speaker 10: this guy's different. We you know, we became very close
Speaker 10: friends real quick. He had the kind of same southern
Speaker 10: upbringing I had. His dad played pro baseball, you know,
Speaker 10: and my dad played pro baseball, and we just had
Speaker 10: it wasn't like a lot of the other golfers that
Speaker 10: I dealt with. He had a little different mode.
Speaker 4: In Part six, Barnhart also broke down Glovers highs and
Speaker 4: lows of his career, the most notable high being has
Speaker 4: went at the two thousand and nine US Open at
Speaker 4: Bethpage Black. Now back to Glover for his perspective, What
Speaker 4: have been some of your most notable highs, your own
Speaker 4: personal highs that you're most proud of.
Speaker 7: Well, obvious answer would be the US Opening on nine,
Speaker 7: And I've referenced it many many times that I wanted
Speaker 7: that to be a springboard. I wanted that to be
Speaker 7: a you know, in the immediate aftermath, you know, obviously
Speaker 7: you're you're dealing with the highs of it, but you
Speaker 7: didn't really want it to be a one hit wonder.
Speaker 7: So fast forward six weeks to the PG eight Hazel team,
Speaker 7: and I got back in contention, and that was one
Speaker 7: of those situations where it's like, all right, well that's
Speaker 7: a that's a that's a big thing to get back
Speaker 7: in it in a major and and just say all
Speaker 7: right that that wasn't just a fluke. I haven't contended
Speaker 7: that much after that. But but looking back on that
Speaker 7: summer getting back in the mix, you know, I've kind
Speaker 7: of faded away there on the Sunday, but getting back
Speaker 7: in the mix a little bit there, and to be
Speaker 7: able to finish that week and just say, you know,
Speaker 7: we were kind of back in it and on the
Speaker 7: biggest stage again. And I look back at that as
Speaker 7: a gratifying moment because of the mentality that I had
Speaker 7: that I didn't want it to be just I just
Speaker 7: did that once and I'm never going to be back.
Speaker 7: And but things like that where you where you try
Speaker 7: to treat something as a as a motivation or a
Speaker 7: springboard or something like that, and then to be able
Speaker 7: to do it or prove it, or prove yourself or
Speaker 7: prove it to other people is uh is things I
Speaker 7: look back on that that that are that are really cool.
Speaker 7: And then obviously a couple of presidents cups always highlight
Speaker 7: and set goals to make those teams, because that means
Speaker 7: you played really really good for a couple of years,
Speaker 7: did that No. Seven and O nine and some of
Speaker 7: the best two weeks I've ever had on the golf course.
Speaker 7: Off of golf course too, just being with h guys
Speaker 7: you try to try to beat the rest of the year,
Speaker 7: and then to be able to team up with them
Speaker 7: and pick their brains and you know why they do
Speaker 7: things a certain way, And I think learn a lot
Speaker 7: from being in those situations.
Speaker 4: That must have something to do with growing up playing
Speaker 4: team sports, right when you can take the sport that
Speaker 4: you ultimately end up playing, which ends up being an
Speaker 4: individualistic sport combined with what you probably loved about being
Speaker 4: a part of baseball and team sports, and combining those
Speaker 4: two things has got to be probably what means more
Speaker 4: to maybe something someone like you versus like a Tiger
Speaker 4: who grew up or a field grew up playing golf,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, of course, I just yeah, for sure. I
Speaker 7: think being around the team sports team aspects of golf
Speaker 7: or of other sports and then mixing it into golf
Speaker 7: was very you know, like I said, why I set
Speaker 7: those goals and a very cool experience because I remember
Speaker 7: as a kid playing baseball or basketball or anything, and
Speaker 7: you could say, hey, man, why do you you know
Speaker 7: when you see that pitch, why do you do it
Speaker 7: this way? And try to learn from a teammate that
Speaker 7: maybe be better at something, and then kind of mix
Speaker 7: that into golf. I remember I remember picking Stricker's brain
Speaker 7: about putting years ago, and then just observing Tiger how
Speaker 7: he went about his work and just doing different. Then
Speaker 7: you get the up close personal view of of guys
Speaker 7: that are that are you know, either better or as good,
Speaker 7: depending on who you are, obviously, and then you can
Speaker 7: possibly take some things from that to to get better.
Speaker 4: Talk me through some of the lowest of lows for you,
Speaker 4: some of the moments. Have you ever allowed yourself to
Speaker 4: think I'm done? Have you ever allowed if that, has
Speaker 4: that ever crept in throughout this process of what you've
Speaker 4: gone through since two thousand and nine to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, of course, you know, like you said, I like
Speaker 7: you a little bit of an older dad. And bottom
Speaker 7: line is, you know, my job at the end of
Speaker 7: the day is to support my family. And there were
Speaker 7: some there were some times where I wasn't doing that,
Speaker 7: and so of course I didn't want to have to
Speaker 7: think that way, but it was it was one of
Speaker 7: those things where I wasn't getting it done and might
Speaker 7: have to consider doing doing something different or something else.
Speaker 7: And it wasn't one of those things where I didn't
Speaker 7: believe I could do it. It was just one of
Speaker 7: those things where this is reality. Now you know, it's
Speaker 7: not just me, and so like, you know, that's what
Speaker 7: made the last few months so gratifying, was now I'm
Speaker 7: able to do some things differently, but never gave up
Speaker 7: on the belief that I could do it, just didn't
Speaker 7: know how long it would take and had to consider
Speaker 7: doing some different stuff.
Speaker 8: What did you consider, h I don't know.
Speaker 7: I didn't really ever have to get there, luckily, but
Speaker 7: you know, there were times where it was in the
Speaker 7: back of my mind that you know, this isn't going
Speaker 7: I wanted to go, and struggling, struggling at home and
Speaker 7: going too much, et cetera, et cetera, and you know,
Speaker 7: put a put a pretty good fight up about it.
Speaker 7: But you know, it was always in the back of
Speaker 7: my head. But the determination and the self belief never
Speaker 7: went away. But you can't make a family wait around forever.
Speaker 4: You take something that's hard, which is the game of golf,
Speaker 4: and then you layer in all these other elements of
Speaker 4: you know, questions and put plundents and talking heads and
Speaker 4: and you know, uh social Jabbroni's that are behind a veil,
Speaker 4: and you know, you know what I mean, Like all
Speaker 4: of this stuff is happening. How hard was it to
Speaker 4: shield and blind all that out and stay true to you?
Speaker 7: Yeah, very very especially the height of you know, just
Speaker 7: embarrassing myself on the greens and different stuff like that.
Speaker 7: But at the end of it, all those people, if
Speaker 7: they could trade places with me, probably would to be
Speaker 7: able to play the game of golf for for you know,
Speaker 7: thirty weeks a year for for a job. And I
Speaker 7: had to keep reminding myself the people that that seem
Speaker 7: to have a voice as you call them Jibebroni's.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 7: They've probably never had to face the pressure and that
Speaker 7: that are that sports and athletes go through. If they did,
Speaker 7: they wouldn't talk the way they did or the way
Speaker 7: they do. And I still remind myself of that, and
Speaker 7: I still say that to other people that they say, hey, man,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm struggling with this and that, and you know,
Speaker 7: these people and are worried about how I'm going to
Speaker 7: play and worry about how I'm going to look. And
Speaker 7: I said, well, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: those people that are going to criticize you and probably
Speaker 7: make fun of you online wish they were you. So
Speaker 7: And the reason they're making fun of you and picking
Speaker 7: on you and saying the things they're saying on Twitter
Speaker 7: and all this other stuff is because they probably stink
Speaker 7: at golf. And you know, just had to remind myself
Speaker 7: of that, said, look, nobody, I mean everybody trade with you,
Speaker 7: and you know, it's kind of comforting. You know, they're
Speaker 7: they're saying awful, stupid things because they're they're jealous. Really,
Speaker 7: I mean, nobody would, you know, I think a lot
Speaker 7: of people would trade positions with the professional golfer and
Speaker 7: rightly so. It's a really, really, really awesome way to
Speaker 7: go about trying to make a living.
Speaker 4: As it relates to inside the ropes when it's just
Speaker 4: you and your caddy, but ultimately it's just you. Is
Speaker 4: the ball striking is it?
Speaker 9: Is?
Speaker 5: It?
Speaker 4: Is it your success of how many you know, fair
Speaker 4: ways you hit and how many greens you hit that
Speaker 4: that and the fact that you can keep your card
Speaker 4: and keep being a professional, is that what kind of
Speaker 4: ultimately keeps you going through some of this stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, it was always just you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 7: still doing number one. I'm still doing what I love.
Speaker 7: Number two, I'm still doing it pretty good. There were
Speaker 7: times where you know, obviously it's good and obviously it's terrible,
Speaker 7: but that's golf and my sport life and everything else.
Speaker 7: But yeah, it was it got to the point where
Speaker 7: it was, if I can just get this putting thing
Speaker 7: figured out, because I'm still hitting the ball nice, I
Speaker 7: still hit it far enough. I'm not a bomber anymore,
Speaker 7: but I'm not short by any means. But I just
Speaker 7: had to get the putting stuff figured out. And the
Speaker 7: more that became apparent, and the more it became obvious
Speaker 7: to me is you know, obviously, honestly, the harder it
Speaker 7: got because it was such just such a downer. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I always had my ball striking in my determination to
Speaker 7: kind of fall back on. But it was just, you know,
Speaker 7: you got to get in the hole.
Speaker 4: Getting the ball close to the hole came easy for
Speaker 4: Glover in twenty twenty twenty one, he was thirty seventh
Speaker 4: in hitting the green in regulation and eleventh in proximity
Speaker 4: to the hole. He was one hundred and eighty ninth
Speaker 4: in strokes gained putting, one hundred and eighty seventh in
Speaker 4: putts per round, one hundred and seventy seventh in one
Speaker 4: put percentage, and one hundred and sixty eighth in putting average.
Speaker 4: What is the starting point of what starts to become
Speaker 4: the success you've had nowhere? Where does it start?
Speaker 5: In your mind?
Speaker 7: Startling Jason back in the spring late spring, and just
Speaker 7: him making me understand that what the yifts actually is
Speaker 7: and what how it happens, what it does to the body,
Speaker 7: and then him basically insisting and proving that to do
Speaker 7: what I've been doing for the length of time I've
Speaker 7: been doing it with the yips and to still be
Speaker 7: out on tour and doing it is actually being very
Speaker 7: mentally strong and mentally tough. And then understanding that it
Speaker 7: is beatable, it is attackable. We don't just have to
Speaker 7: sit here and let it happen. It may be unconventional.
Speaker 7: Some of the things we worked on.
Speaker 4: Again in part six of this series. We heard a
Speaker 4: lot from Jason Kuhn, former Navy seal who very eloquently
Speaker 4: and articulately spoke about his personal experience with the YIPS
Speaker 4: as a baseball player, which ended his playing career. Kuhn
Speaker 4: went on to be a Navy Seal sniper, which is
Speaker 4: how and why he realized the YIPS could not be
Speaker 4: because he was mentally weak, which inspired him to attack
Speaker 4: the symptoms of the YIPS, get a better understanding of
Speaker 4: what they are, and then apply those experiences and that
Speaker 4: knowledge to baseball players like Tyler Matzik of the Braves,
Speaker 4: who went from being out of baseball to pitching in
Speaker 4: and winning a World Series right from the jump. Glover
Speaker 4: was benefiting from Koon's coaching.
Speaker 11: This guy has already been incredibly successful. He's a really
Speaker 11: good golfer. We're going to solve the YIPS. Will enhance
Speaker 11: or refresh on the mindset by sharing my experiences. And
Speaker 11: it's not like they're not applying this already. So when
Speaker 11: I was a Seal, I was applying mental toughness every day,
Speaker 11: but I couldn't tell you what it was, you know,
Speaker 11: But now I can by thinking back on those experiences,
Speaker 11: reverse engineering and then putting articulation to it and then
Speaker 11: just translating it to the other competitive environment. So we're
Speaker 11: just pouring fuel on the fire, giving them a higher
Speaker 11: level understanding of mental toughness team first mind, how to fail,
Speaker 11: never quit, you know, sources of confidence, toughness, courage, identity
Speaker 11: and ego, all of that. And then you put that
Speaker 11: package together with the YIPS, free training and the ironing
Speaker 11: it out and boom, you know, there you go.
Speaker 4: The package they were putting together included a new tool.
Speaker 7: After three or four weeks, three or four sessions with him,
Speaker 7: this new putter idea came. You know, Mack pushed a
Speaker 7: little bit in facts and hey, let's just let's just
Speaker 7: try it. And I had two weeks off around the
Speaker 7: PGA and mentioned it to Jason Tune and he said, hey, man,
Speaker 7: let's let's go.
Speaker 9: Let's try it.
Speaker 7: We got some time and and it just clicked.
Speaker 4: Back to mac Bernhard. Was it you who came to
Speaker 4: Lucas about lab or did Lucas come to you about
Speaker 4: lab and say get me a putter.
Speaker 10: I think it was Lucas that came. I think he
Speaker 10: had seen Scotty Adam Scott do it. I think it
Speaker 10: was him. It had to have been because I didn't
Speaker 10: really know much. I mean, I knew about him, but
Speaker 10: I didn't you know, let's a.
Speaker 9: Player introduces me to something.
Speaker 10: I'm not getting in to tell them, let's try a
Speaker 10: different putter.
Speaker 9: That's not my style.
Speaker 10: They'll they come tell me. But I think it was
Speaker 10: Lucas and that probably came from from.
Speaker 9: Brad Faxon or Jason and his guys in there.
Speaker 4: Adam Scott, your relationship with him, watching him, you know,
Speaker 4: it did that factor into ultimately how you came about saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's give me one of those.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it was more of I know him the
Speaker 7: same height as him, or about the same height as him,
Speaker 7: and just send me one, Send me whatever he uses
Speaker 7: and I'll figure it out. That's honestly the conversation I
Speaker 7: had with Mac and what he said to the rep.
Speaker 7: He goes, he doesn't want to know anything. He just
Speaker 7: knows he and Adam are about the same size, and
Speaker 7: Adam looks great over the ball, and he wants to
Speaker 7: try one, and they sent it. And I spent a
Speaker 7: couple of days in the garage working on a dress,
Speaker 7: and you know, trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 7: somewhat square and comfortable and then took it out on
Speaker 7: the green and went from there.
Speaker 5: Did you have a conversation with Adam.
Speaker 9: No, No, I didn't.
Speaker 7: I watched I watched watch his set up on YouTube
Speaker 7: and then a little video of macare and on YouTube,
Speaker 7: and so that's all.
Speaker 9: That's all I want.
Speaker 7: After that, I'm gonna figure it out. And I just
Speaker 7: wanted to. I wanted it to be that new. I
Speaker 7: wanted it to be that foreign to where just a
Speaker 7: couple of little things to get the the fundamentals and
Speaker 7: the most you know, important things you know down and
Speaker 7: then then figure it out online.
Speaker 5: And that that checked out with you.
Speaker 4: You kind of ran that by Jason, that basically checked
Speaker 4: out on this process that you were on simultaneously. It
Speaker 4: was like, I'm figuring this out and this will be
Speaker 4: the tool that I use as I go forward.
Speaker 9: Correct.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we were. We were all in on
Speaker 7: beating it with the short one, but I didn't have
Speaker 7: time to go through the whole bit, the whole you know,
Speaker 7: fourteen to fifteen session experience with Jason, which I do
Speaker 7: believe would have eventually beating it. This was a way
Speaker 7: to do it faster since I was literally in the
Speaker 7: middle of the season, and yeah, he he said, yeah,
Speaker 7: this this can't do anything but help. He goes, He goes,
Speaker 7: but you've got to go all in. You got to
Speaker 7: be you got to be you got to be committed
Speaker 7: to it. And if we're going to make the change,
Speaker 7: we're going to make it and we're not going back.
Speaker 7: But it was very very Navy seal mentality of if
Speaker 7: we're making this decision, it's your decision, and we're riding
Speaker 7: with it, and then we'll use what we've done so
Speaker 7: far and then we'll keep going and this is the
Speaker 7: right thing to do.
Speaker 4: Back to Jason Kuhn, just the actual putter itself, you know,
Speaker 4: did you look at that as as something that could
Speaker 4: help you and him get to where he needed to
Speaker 4: go to?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I think it exponentiated the time and results that we needed.
Speaker 11: I think I think he would have gotten the regardless.
Speaker 11: So my goal when I work with a player is
Speaker 11: whether it's big spall or golf or any of the sports.
Speaker 11: But baseball and golf have been the only ones that
Speaker 11: have hired me so far. I think that my goal
Speaker 11: for them. I tell them, I don't want you to
Speaker 11: just be able to throw clean again. I want you
Speaker 11: to fall in love with throwing again or striking the ball.
Speaker 11: I want you to be able to throw or putt.
Speaker 11: We'll just stay with golf. So I want you to
Speaker 11: be able to putt with any putter in any situation,
Speaker 11: at any point in time. That's my goal as a
Speaker 11: coach to you. Now we're gonna, you know, depending on
Speaker 11: the situation and the amount of time we have the
Speaker 11: train and you know, if they have an ability to
Speaker 11: take themselves off of the competitive play and then reinsert.
Speaker 11: Lucas didn't have that option. He's got to play, right,
Speaker 11: So that was a that was tremendously helpful. So I
Speaker 11: think that, Yeah, my goal is for them to be
Speaker 11: able to use any putter, any one's putter, and any
Speaker 11: situation at any time and fall in love with that
Speaker 11: action again what they what they love to do and
Speaker 11: growing up. That's what we're going to However, tactically, yeah,
Speaker 11: those switches can make pretty quick results, I think, and
Speaker 11: then golf you have the luxury to be able to
Speaker 11: do that. I don't think that's going to be consistent
Speaker 11: across the board. I think some people are going to
Speaker 11: switch putters and they're still going to feel that that
Speaker 11: hitch and that's going to be dependent on the various
Speaker 11: experiences and situations of that player.
Speaker 4: It's now the first few days of June in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, Glover is in Ohio for Jack Nicholas's tournament.
Speaker 7: So it gave me the chance to take the things
Speaker 7: Jason had taught me up to date, and then this
Speaker 7: whole new motor skill. And then you know, of course,
Speaker 7: the first thing people say with a long putter is
Speaker 7: your speed's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough with
Speaker 7: that as well. Take this thing to Memorial with some
Speaker 7: of the fastest, slopigest greens we got and just throw
Speaker 7: it right in the fire. And I missed the cut,
Speaker 7: but it wasn't because of the way I putt it.
Speaker 7: I actually putt it beautifully.
Speaker 4: Glover shots seventy four to seventy seven. But as he said,
Speaker 4: there seemed to be progress back to Michael Simms.
Speaker 6: Even at the Memorial the first week you brought it out,
Speaker 6: it looked like he was putting good, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: there's something to this. So you know, Jason Kuhne and
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden he's playing with one of
Speaker 6: these things. I mean, I really don't care how it happened,
Speaker 6: but it did, and that's that's the best part about it.
Speaker 4: Glover was done at Jack's Place on June second, but
Speaker 4: stayed in Columbus, Ohio for the final stage of US
Speaker 4: Open qualifying on June fifth. Sam Hahn of lab Golf
Speaker 4: was paying close attention.
Speaker 8: It's where the story gets really cool for me and
Speaker 8: where it diverts from you know, some tour pro you
Speaker 8: know kind of experiences we've had in the past. I'm
Speaker 8: watching Golf Channel coverage on Golf's longest day US Open
Speaker 8: qualifying day, and they're they're going around and going all
Speaker 8: the different sites and talking about everybody who's doing this
Speaker 8: and doing that. I was stoked because a local kid
Speaker 8: here actually ended up qualifying, and so I'm excited about that.
Speaker 8: We had a couple other couple other guys get in
Speaker 8: through regional qualifying and it was a good day. I'm
Speaker 8: feeling good. And then then the coverage goes over to
Speaker 8: Lucas and Lucas shoots sixty three in the morning even
Speaker 8: part in the afternoon, gets into a playoff and misses
Speaker 8: a two foot fucking putt with a lab roomstick zoomed
Speaker 8: in on the fucking putter missus that you know, loses
Speaker 8: in the playoff and loses the spot and didn't get
Speaker 8: in the US Opening. I'm like, well, bye bye, Lucas Glover.
Speaker 4: More from Michael Simms immediately.
Speaker 6: I mean, I saw results the first week, and then
Speaker 6: he did the US Open qualifier and in the playoff,
Speaker 6: as everybody knows, and it's been documented, I mean, he
Speaker 6: missed a short putt. But what I saw was he
Speaker 6: shot sixty three and he hasn't done that in a
Speaker 6: long time, right, and it appeared that he was putting good.
Speaker 4: US Open qualifying. You shoot sixty three, that's a that's.
Speaker 5: A real low number. That doesn't happen very often to anybody.
Speaker 5: I don't care.
Speaker 4: You know, Tiger doesn't shoot sixty three in his prime,
Speaker 4: didn't shoot sixty.
Speaker 5: Three very often.
Speaker 4: That's a different that's a different, different gravy, they say
Speaker 4: in Ireland. And then you miss a short put to
Speaker 4: actually get in the in the US Open. But from
Speaker 4: what I've heard and what I understand, it was actually
Speaker 4: the miss that might be yet another tipping point for
Speaker 4: you in which yeah, you missed a short one, but
Speaker 4: it had nothing to do with the same sort of
Speaker 4: miss that you might have had in the past. Was
Speaker 4: that fair to say?
Speaker 7: It was not?
Speaker 9: Yippie?
Speaker 7: It was a miss. And that's the that's been the
Speaker 7: biggest positive is the misses now are just missus. And
Speaker 7: guess what, I'm human, But it's not because I'm scared.
Speaker 7: It's not because I'm having one of these attacks. It's
Speaker 7: not because it's a a bad stroke, you know. And
Speaker 7: we're walking through the people, the members there at Brookside
Speaker 7: in Columbus, going back to the car and Tommy and
Speaker 7: my father and we get you know, obviously I was
Speaker 7: upset and mad and this and that, and Tommy goes, hey, man,
Speaker 7: this is our fifth round or fifth day with this
Speaker 7: putter in competition. He goes, it's going to be a
Speaker 7: learning curve. It's going to be a process. He said,
Speaker 7: you just shot sixty three and whatever I shot in
Speaker 7: the afternoon, nor remember seventy two or three. He goes,
Speaker 7: that's still really good golf because you played great memorial
Speaker 7: except for one hole and just positive reinforcement. But yeah,
Speaker 7: got in the car, drove off and it wasn't that stroke.
Speaker 7: It was just a miss.
Speaker 8: Lucas called Liam either that night or the next day
Speaker 8: and was like, dude, this thing is fucking amazing, and
Speaker 8: I am in, I am in like swimwear, and we're
Speaker 8: doing this thing, which it just doesn't happen like with
Speaker 8: our with our stuff. Even if we get lucky and
Speaker 8: they put it in play, you miss a couple short
Speaker 8: ones with something so funny looking and so different feeling
Speaker 8: and all that, it's impossible for them not to blame
Speaker 8: the putter and they and they toss it.
Speaker 9: You know they did it.
Speaker 8: So usually if I've seen a guy miss a two
Speaker 8: foot putt, to miss out on a plane in the
Speaker 8: US Open, that's bye bye. You know that's over. And
Speaker 8: not only did was it not over? He called up
Speaker 8: so stoked about his experience that day, like the two
Speaker 8: footer aside to shot sixty three that morning. You know,
Speaker 8: that's what he That's what was present in his mind,
Speaker 8: wasn't the two footer, was the fact that he shot
Speaker 8: sixty three.
Speaker 4: Back to Bill Pressey, who was also watching and listening.
Speaker 12: Seremini message all the time. But you know, we've been
Speaker 12: watching this for so long, we heard neither one of
Speaker 12: us actually rarely watch, you know, golf tournaments anymore.
Speaker 8: We do.
Speaker 12: But when you when you hear about it, at least
Speaker 12: the internet, and I know Sam said it in the
Speaker 12: same way. We hate to watch because you know, it's golf, right,
Speaker 12: and so seeing you know, Lucas missed that Putt was
Speaker 12: discouraging and my friends are like, oh, you know whatever.
Speaker 12: But then he's you know, he talked about it and
Speaker 12: the way he word smith, his his his language was
Speaker 12: was was promising. And I caught that and I was like, well,
Speaker 12: that's a that's a good way to say he's in
Speaker 12: a mental space.
Speaker 8: That's good.
Speaker 7: Michael Simms, we've had very, very brutal conversations about about
Speaker 7: the yips and trying to do anything to help with it.
Speaker 6: We talked about the US Open qualifier and he goes, man,
Speaker 6: I missed a short one, but it's the first time
Speaker 6: in a long time I missed it. But I learned
Speaker 6: more from that Putt than anybody could ever give me.
Speaker 6: He goes, I just hammered the crap out of it.
Speaker 6: And he might have said something else, but he hammered
Speaker 6: the crap out of it.
Speaker 9: And he goes, I hit it way too hard, on
Speaker 9: way too high of a line. That was it.
Speaker 6: He's like, it's not the same as what it was. Before,
Speaker 6: and you know, and he's like, there is I learn
Speaker 6: more from that pot than I could have ever imagined.
Speaker 10: Back to Mac the sixty three, Yeah gave me, gave
Speaker 10: me hope, right, I mean that was good. He missed
Speaker 10: the pot and it wasn't a big deal, didn't even
Speaker 10: was it even like yeah, yeah, pissed me off, but
Speaker 10: but not the old here we go again thing. And
Speaker 10: Tommy Lamb was like, talk to him after, No, we're
Speaker 10: not worried a bit about that.
Speaker 9: You know it.
Speaker 10: Sometimes the biggest failure, what we perceive is failure, might
Speaker 10: have been the best thing. I mean, if he gets
Speaker 10: in the US Open, then you got to play at
Speaker 10: the US Open. I mean, it's grinding, it's long, it's
Speaker 10: going to be really difficult. Is it a place to
Speaker 10: gain confidence?
Speaker 9: Probably not.
Speaker 10: I mean it probably destroys more confidence and it never helps.
Speaker 10: So it might have been a god send that he
Speaker 10: didn't get in, Like it gave him some rest. Now
Speaker 10: now he can turn it on go for a stretch here.
Speaker 10: But yeah, when he missed that and it didn't even
Speaker 10: wasn't even a talking point, didn't even matter. And that
Speaker 10: gives you that's a difference.
Speaker 7: I wasn't I didn't have the ball position correct, and
Speaker 7: when I get the ball too far up in the stands,
Speaker 7: I miss him left because that's just the way that
Speaker 7: the putter works, when the ball is too far up
Speaker 7: in your stance. And fix that and made a ton
Speaker 7: of putts in Canada.
Speaker 9: The next week, he.
Speaker 4: Shoots four rounds of par or better at the RBC
Speaker 4: Canadian Open and finishes T twenty. Liam Bedford again lab
Speaker 4: Golf's tour rep who built the putter for Glover.
Speaker 1: So after about a week and a bit, it's actually
Speaker 1: pretty funny, Mac texted me about maybe a week after
Speaker 1: he had the puttu and all the all the message
Speaker 1: say was Lucas is gonna win with this putter. And
Speaker 1: that was like that was probably the week of Rocket
Speaker 1: mortgage and and he just said that like the whole,
Speaker 1: like the confidence Lucas had with the putter was something
Speaker 1: that he hadn't been familiar with, the confidence level in
Speaker 1: a long time. Was hitting it great like he always does.
Speaker 1: He just needed to make a couple more putts here
Speaker 1: and there, and it looked like the broomstick took care
Speaker 1: of the short ones for him. So and he's still
Speaker 1: making the still making the mid rated ones. That's at
Speaker 1: a good clip, but he's just making the short ones
Speaker 1: at a way better clip than he was.
Speaker 4: Two weeks after, Max text to Liam and at the
Speaker 4: Rocket Mortgage in Detroit, Glover birdie's four of the last
Speaker 4: six holes for his sixty five and a T four finish,
Speaker 4: which at the time was his best finish of the
Speaker 4: year by far.
Speaker 7: You know, I still miss some one of the best
Speaker 7: bunker shots of my life on the fourteenth hole there,
Speaker 7: part five two. A couple of feet missed it, but
Speaker 7: I missed it. I missed it every does it. I
Speaker 7: didn't walk over to fifteen, you know, still shaking and
Speaker 7: nervous and upset. It was too you missed a short butt,
Speaker 7: big deal. And that's and then I just kept making
Speaker 7: birdies and kept hitting decent shots and making some fifteen
Speaker 7: footers aggressively. And then you know, I take a birdie
Speaker 7: the last three or four holes there on Sunday, and
Speaker 7: those other three guys went crazy, and I think I
Speaker 7: missed the playoff by three, but that was my best
Speaker 7: finish in a long time. And then I pulled out
Speaker 7: of that parking lot going. I just putted great for
Speaker 7: four days. I hadn't said that in a long time.
Speaker 7: And I'm saying that even missing some that I should
Speaker 7: have made, I mean short putts, but they weren't that feeling.
Speaker 7: It wasn't that. Yep, it was just I missed a putt.
Speaker 5: Who cares?
Speaker 7: And that's the mentality you know, every eight year old has,
Speaker 7: and all that was like a kid and all that
Speaker 7: stuff a big deal. You missed a putt. Come on,
Speaker 7: let's go get the next hole. I hadn't had that
Speaker 7: in ten years maybe more.
Speaker 3: Are you calling your friends? Are you calling Simsey and Matt?
Speaker 5: Going? This is fun?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Well, yeah, I left Detroit. Couldn't wait to get
Speaker 7: to the Deer you know, that was a one there
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago and always have good vibes
Speaker 7: going there. And I could not wait to get there,
Speaker 7: to the point where, like Wednesday, I wished it was Thursday.
Speaker 7: You know, I could not wait to go play and
Speaker 7: could not wait to go putt.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 7: Practicing putting was fun. There is fun again. But yeah,
Speaker 7: it was just here we go, let's uh you know this,
Speaker 7: everything's kind of clicking, and I just can't wait to play.
Speaker 7: I can't wait to putt, can't wait to practice and
Speaker 7: there wasn't a nervness walking up to every green I
Speaker 7: didn't regulation, or every green I missed having to chip
Speaker 7: up onto the green. There wasn't this like, you know,
Speaker 7: fear of screwing up or fear of missing a putt
Speaker 7: or whatever. And it was just, man, I can't wait
Speaker 7: to make this one, which I had, Like I said,
Speaker 7: I hadn't had that feel and had that.
Speaker 9: Childlike fun in years at.
Speaker 4: John Dear, it's more of the same. After rounds of
Speaker 4: sixty nine, sixty five, sixty six, sixty eight, he finishes
Speaker 4: T six for two straight top tens. At this point,
Speaker 4: do you allow yourself to think, like, I'm here to
Speaker 4: win this week?
Speaker 5: Like, is that what's what's creeping in?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we say that every week. It's just
Speaker 7: a matter of whether you actually believe it or not.
Speaker 7: And after Rocket, I started believing that that if I
Speaker 7: keep doing this, it's it's going to happen. And then
Speaker 7: you get then there's the mentality of do I need
Speaker 7: to do anything better or do I just need to
Speaker 7: keep doing this? And then it was all right, let's
Speaker 7: just not over complicate it. Let's just tidy up here,
Speaker 7: work on our short game. You know, just do what
Speaker 7: we've been doing to get where we got last week
Speaker 7: or the week before, and just keep going and not
Speaker 7: over complicated, not try to put something new in, not
Speaker 7: try to you know, change up anything. It's just rot
Speaker 7: it and just keep doing the same stuff, stay consistent,
Speaker 7: and it'll happen.
Speaker 4: In mid July at the Barbasol Championship, Glover shoots sixty three,
Speaker 4: sixty eight, sixty nine, sixty eight for twelve straight rounds
Speaker 4: in the sixties and the fifth place finish is three
Speaker 4: straight top tens. So you're watching him, you're listening to him,
Speaker 4: you've known him, you're you know. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: and there must have been several reasons, this was different.
Speaker 4: This you know, April, May, June, and we got and
Speaker 4: then you're coming at the start of ju Lie becomes
Speaker 4: a starting line of which everything fucking changes everything.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it was a combination. I mean, I've been
Speaker 10: around him forever, so I know his mind. I mean
Speaker 10: I know when he's he's got something, when he goes
Speaker 10: I got it.
Speaker 9: You hear it in his voice.
Speaker 10: I got it, like, no questioning, no, Like you can
Speaker 10: hear it in his voice and you can see it
Speaker 10: just there was a sense. I mean, I'm talking to
Speaker 10: Tommy Lamb, I'm talking to the caddy, I'm talking to Kobe,
Speaker 10: to a who's training, because we're talking all the time,
Speaker 10: and all of us started noticing this, this guy that
Speaker 10: he wasn't one hundred and eightieth and Fede's cup points
Speaker 10: while talking to you.
Speaker 7: He was fifth.
Speaker 10: I mean, this guy had a different just on the phone,
Speaker 10: you can hear it, and watching him play.
Speaker 9: And I think you know.
Speaker 10: That fourth place finish was that a rocket? I forget
Speaker 10: where it is in Detroit and.
Speaker 9: And I mean it wasn't fluky. It was real.
Speaker 10: I mean, because you know you have those rounds where
Speaker 10: you'll find for a day, but it was real. And
Speaker 10: we I mean, yeah it was. I mean you know,
Speaker 10: look you say that looking back at so you can
Speaker 10: be so confident, but no.
Speaker 9: We really did. Were behind the scenes.
Speaker 10: We were sitting here going, oh my gosh, we got this.
Speaker 9: This has coming back.
Speaker 10: You can't let Lucas glove or putt well. I mean
Speaker 10: I don't think Lucas has ever putted well in his career.
Speaker 10: He's putt it okay. And somebody says, well, how do
Speaker 10: you know that? I said, because he had won twenty times.
Speaker 10: This kid putted, well, he'd have twenty wins. I mean,
Speaker 10: because everybody knows this. Watch you hit a gothball and
Speaker 10: watch him play. He's not scared to win. I mean
Speaker 10: he is not. He'll get right up there.
Speaker 9: WI can win.
Speaker 10: And if he could, if he was a great putter,
Speaker 10: with how he strikes it, it'd be hard to tell you.
Speaker 10: So no, I knew that if he could put a
Speaker 10: little bit as good as he hits it and as
Speaker 10: good as he can compete, we were onto something. But
Speaker 10: like I said, when you're talking to somebody that's one
Speaker 10: hundred and eightieth and FedEx cup points and that sounds
Speaker 10: crazy versus the guy stiff and Fedet's cup points, there's
Speaker 10: a difference in their attitude.
Speaker 9: I mean, you can just sense it. And he wasn't.
Speaker 10: It wasn't like he was worried where he was and
Speaker 10: you could you could just buil it when you talk
Speaker 10: to him that he had flipped he'd flipped the switch.
Speaker 6: Mac and I were actually in Scotland for the Scottish
Speaker 6: and uh, Lucas had the lead. I mean he just
Speaker 6: had I don't know how many top tens, two or three,
Speaker 6: but prior to three or four.
Speaker 9: Leading into that event in Kentucky.
Speaker 6: I think it's a barber sool and Mac just said, man,
Speaker 6: this is this is incredible, and you know, this is amazing.
Speaker 6: But he looked over at me and he goes, he's
Speaker 6: going to win Greensboro. That's the one he's that's the
Speaker 6: one he's going to win. And I was like, you think,
Speaker 6: so he goes, yeah, it's it's there's just there's so
Speaker 6: much energy there for him that you know, from the
Speaker 6: sixty one that he shot there, sixty that he shot there.
Speaker 9: A few years back. It's to where he grew up.
Speaker 6: There's family, there's there's just energy there that that has
Speaker 6: his back.
Speaker 10: And I'm like, I like this. I can't remember the day.
Speaker 10: I can't remember which term he finished, four, six, fifth,
Speaker 10: I remember this right, and and I remember us sitting
Speaker 10: around and everybody's lamenting, and I said, you know what,
Speaker 10: I don't give a crap about that.
Speaker 9: I went in to win Greensboro.
Speaker 10: And because Greensboro is run by you know, Mark Browsewill
Speaker 10: and Bobby Long, who are dear friends of mine. I'm
Speaker 10: from that area, and I know Lucas would have fifty
Speaker 10: family members there. Because no matter what. His family. You've
Speaker 10: never seen a family like that. I mean, they are.
Speaker 10: They are all for one and one for all, and
Speaker 10: it's a big part of Lucas.
Speaker 9: I mean, this is a I mean, you.
Speaker 10: Know his dad. You know, his dad traveled.
Speaker 9: With him for several weeks there.
Speaker 10: People people don't realize that his dad was with him
Speaker 10: to travel with his son. I mean that's huge, not
Speaker 10: in the old I'm a father, but just I'm gonna
Speaker 10: be with you man, and his mom and his cousins.
Speaker 10: And if you meet these, you meet these uncles and
Speaker 10: the Henley family. I mean, I love I think I'm
Speaker 10: an I mean I'm a Henley somewhere in there because
Speaker 10: I'm that close to these guys. But I knew in
Speaker 10: Greensboro they'd all be there and they need to see
Speaker 10: Lucas man. And I remember telling I don't know who
Speaker 10: I was telling. I just told somebody said, look, he's
Speaker 10: gonna win Greensboro. I don't give a crap what he
Speaker 10: does there. You know what he's going in Greensboro. And
Speaker 10: I you know, I know, I said it loud enough
Speaker 10: to one bartender that met a out on it that
Speaker 10: did pretty well.
Speaker 4: You know, Max said a couple of weeks before he's
Speaker 4: gonna win. He's gonna win in Greensborough, Like you know,
Speaker 4: he was telling he felt he saw your team.
Speaker 5: Was that was it building?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so looking back on but now yeah,
Speaker 7: And always played there, played well there, kind of grew
Speaker 7: up around there on on that course a little bit
Speaker 7: and seemed to this one of those things nobody really
Speaker 7: ever talks about with professional golf, is you know, reading
Speaker 7: the greens are very important. Obviously you and I know
Speaker 7: that a lot of people don't. But uh, and when
Speaker 7: you get to a course where you feel like you
Speaker 7: read the greens really well, you get really even more comfortable.
Speaker 7: And I feel that way at Greensboro, and I obviously
Speaker 7: Memphis with the Bermuda that I'm familiar with, and just
Speaker 7: always seemed to read the greens well there, and then
Speaker 7: Greensboro not that long of a course, so you get
Speaker 7: a lot of wedges in and I've been wedging it
Speaker 7: very well for several months. My statistics with my wedges
Speaker 7: had had been improving of something I'd focused on and
Speaker 7: really been working on, and I was starting to see
Speaker 7: the fruits of those labors. And then I knew Greensboro
Speaker 7: if you get in the fairway, you're gonna have a
Speaker 7: lot of wedges, You're gonna have a lot of short irons,
Speaker 7: and so but it's one of those courses where the
Speaker 7: ruffles up, Bermuda ruffles up, and if you don't and
Speaker 7: it can be difficult. So I played a little safer
Speaker 7: off the tee than I have in years past, just
Speaker 7: because I wanted to get on the green as quick
Speaker 7: as possible, because I was putting well, and you know,
Speaker 7: strategy worked. I wedged it nice, made a bunch of
Speaker 7: putts and had a ton of fairways. But but yeah,
Speaker 7: getting there, knowing success I've had there, knowing how well
Speaker 7: I read the greens there, with this new found confidence
Speaker 7: in the putter, I was. I wasn't getting too far
Speaker 7: ahead of myself, but you know I was. I was
Speaker 7: expectations were to have a good week, but you know,
Speaker 7: twenty years out there, you can have that expectation and
Speaker 7: then shoot seventy five, seventy five and expectations right down
Speaker 7: the road. So I didn't allow myself to get too
Speaker 7: far ahead. But yeah, I was excited. I was excited
Speaker 7: to I was excited to go play again, especially there
Speaker 7: place I liked.
Speaker 4: At the twenty twenty three Windhom Championship at Sedgefield Country
Speaker 4: Club in Greensboro, North Carolina, with family everywhere, including his
Speaker 4: son and daughter, Lucas Glover, putting with Lab Golf's MEZ
Speaker 4: one Max shot sixty six sixty four, sixty two, sixty eight.
Speaker 4: Here's Jim Nance with the call on the seventy second green,
Speaker 4: followed by the post round interview by Amanda ballionis Renner go.
Speaker 9: Ahead and make it turn, turn, turn. That's what he does.
Speaker 10: The man from Greenville is a winner in Greensborough.
Speaker 13: I'm because I know you said. The perspective for you
Speaker 13: begins and ends with family. Why is this one so
Speaker 13: emotional for all of you?
Speaker 7: Say hey to mom, Momi, Mommy. I don't get to
Speaker 7: see these guys as much as I've wanted to because
Speaker 7: I hadn't been playing that great. So maybe I can.
Speaker 7: Maybe I can see more practices and more games and
Speaker 7: be home a little more. So too old to be
Speaker 7: on the road just much. I've been busting my home
Speaker 7: so I can be with them and be with my wife.
Speaker 7: I'm so happy.
Speaker 13: Well, you are going to be on the road for
Speaker 13: a little bit longer. Now you entered this week one
Speaker 13: hundred and twelfth in the FedEx Cup standings. You are
Speaker 13: now forty ninth. I'm sure the kids are you excited
Speaker 13: to see dad go to the playoffs next week?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Just talk about where your game is at, the confidence
Speaker 13: that you have found with that putter, and now the
Speaker 13: rest of the game too.
Speaker 7: Well, like I said the last few days, it starts
Speaker 7: and ends there with me. And you know, it's been
Speaker 7: a long road ten years of fighting something and to
Speaker 7: find something that completely changed the momentum and everything was
Speaker 7: was obviously a blessing. And you know, kudos to my team,
Speaker 7: Jason Lance, Facts, Tom, Jason Kuhn for pushing me in
Speaker 7: that direction. Couldn't have done it without all you guys.
Speaker 7: I'm just just thrilled to be thrilled to be on uh,
Speaker 7: thrilled to be on y'all's team. Thank you.
Speaker 4: So I asked Lover to expand on the physical, emotional,
Speaker 4: and spiritual mountain he had just climbed in order to
Speaker 4: get back into golf's always elusive winner circle his fifth trip.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and what's so interesting about that is it wasn't
Speaker 7: two years ago that I would won the Deer. It
Speaker 7: was right out two years ago. And but those two years,
Speaker 7: the struggle, the where I was on the FedEx Cup,
Speaker 7: where I was mentally, you know, back in March and April,
Speaker 7: and I mean those two years ire like ten.
Speaker 9: And to do it the way I did it, with.
Speaker 7: All the struggles, all the hurdles, all the things that
Speaker 7: I've been going through and fighting on the golf course
Speaker 7: and on the pudding green, to do it in that
Speaker 7: fashion by making putts and making putts when.
Speaker 9: They mattered was really cool.
Speaker 7: And then having all the family aspect and all that
Speaker 7: who have lived and died with me on the greens
Speaker 7: as well was very cool. And then obviously my kids
Speaker 7: being there in person for the first time was was
Speaker 7: even even better.
Speaker 4: When he wins, what what like?
Speaker 5: What does that all? What? What does that all feel like?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 10: I was there, I'm always Windham, I'm always there all week.
Speaker 10: Had a lot of guys win it luckily, but I
Speaker 10: mean we had a rain delay, so we finished in
Speaker 10: the dark. Then we had the hour or so of
Speaker 10: press and you did all the great things you get
Speaker 10: to do when you win, right, and so we finally
Speaker 10: I think we get to the locker room at about
Speaker 10: nine thirty and it wasn't much as set. It just
Speaker 10: looked over. We were just talking about and I guess
Speaker 10: our comments were, well, that changes things now, all right,
Speaker 10: so you know now we were in the playoffs, which
Speaker 10: didn't think about we're at Augusta, don't Hawaii. And we
Speaker 10: kind of went through a few of those little things,
Speaker 10: but it was pretty much matter of fact business. He
Speaker 10: had to pack up, he got his stuff packed up,
Speaker 10: his family's waiting for him, get in the car, he's
Speaker 10: got to go to Hell to the room, and we
Speaker 10: got to get going again. So it was not much
Speaker 10: of a conversation piece, just I'll talk to you, call
Speaker 10: me and anything, and we'll move forward.
Speaker 4: What happens between you and Lucas after he wins the
Speaker 4: first one.
Speaker 9: We had a we had a phone call.
Speaker 6: I knew that he had a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 6: I happened to be in Denver with a really good
Speaker 6: friend of mine. We were all watching, we were yelling
Speaker 6: at the TV. We were so stoked, and then I
Speaker 6: sent him. Our favorite beer is Pliny the Elder by
Speaker 6: Russian River, and I just sent him a picture of
Speaker 6: a couple bottles of that. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be enjoying these tonight and.
Speaker 9: We talked later on.
Speaker 6: You know, he gave me a lot of shit for that,
Speaker 6: which was kind of funny, but yeah, I mean it
Speaker 6: was it was pretty simple. You know, I knew he
Speaker 6: was tired. What do you say, I mean other than
Speaker 6: I'm very proud of you. You know, you've you've done,
Speaker 6: You've done the work. It's nice to see the fruits
Speaker 6: of what that is. And just so stoked for him.
Speaker 4: From Mac to Michael and now Jason Kuhn, where were
Speaker 4: you when you found out or saw or were you
Speaker 4: watching Lucas win his first tournament?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just went outside.
Speaker 9: And walked down.
Speaker 11: We've got a little six acre lot in Tennessee, you know,
Speaker 11: so it's uh, I just went outside and it was
Speaker 11: a really nice day out and I just walked outside
Speaker 11: and I just looked up at the sky with tears
Speaker 11: in my eyes and just said thank you.
Speaker 5: And back to back again.
Speaker 10: Greensboro was almost kind of a relief. You know, we
Speaker 10: pulled it off. We had some help coming in, you know,
Speaker 10: but it wasn't lot of time for celebration. Wasn't lot
Speaker 10: you know, it wasn't like we're going out to dinner,
Speaker 10: you know, we you know, his kids were there, everybody knows,
Speaker 10: and he had stuff, he had stuff to do to
Speaker 10: get them home and and get on to Memphis. And
Speaker 10: I remember asking if you if He I said, you
Speaker 10: want me to get you a private jet up to
Speaker 10: you know, Memphis, you know, you know, might help you rest.
Speaker 10: And he goes and he kind of asked me, was
Speaker 10: Delta broke?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 10: You know, but you know, but just to if you
Speaker 10: want to talk about Windom and Bobby Long and Mark
Speaker 10: browsewll They put him on a private.
Speaker 9: Plane the next morning. Got got of Memphis, and you know,
Speaker 9: and here's Tommy Lamb.
Speaker 10: I'm on the Putty Green. He wins in Greensboro, and
Speaker 10: I'm trying to find Tommy. I want to hug him.
Speaker 10: You know, he's hung out and hung with Lucas. That's
Speaker 10: big part of this. And I finally called him, where
Speaker 10: are you? And he goes, I'm halfway to my I'm
Speaker 10: halfway to Charlotte Airport. I'm going I got to fly out.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 10: It's not even you know, and this is Tommy Lamb,
Speaker 10: not even on the getn't even one accolade on the
Speaker 10: Putting Green. He's got work to do too, so, and
Speaker 10: that's what just astounds me is pretty much everybody in
Speaker 10: Lucas's corner is doing their job. They're not doing it
Speaker 10: to get on TV. They're doing this job. They're doing
Speaker 10: their job.
Speaker 5: We saw a.
Speaker 4: Little bit of the emotion, but given what I know
Speaker 4: about you, it must have been times one hundred internal.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred percent, one hundred percent and h Yeah.
Speaker 7: It was just the biggest exhale. And when I got
Speaker 7: in the car after all the media's pitch black guard
Speaker 7: because you know, we had that kind of Raindoway there
Speaker 7: and pitch black on the a ton of clock and
Speaker 7: finally get in the car and had my family and
Speaker 7: the kids and everybody in there, and they just grab
Speaker 7: the steering wheel and I don't think I've ever exhaled
Speaker 7: bigger than that, And it was just relief, so exhausted
Speaker 7: after doing all that, but it was just the feeling
Speaker 7: of relief, and then you know, it didn't really didn't
Speaker 7: really hit me till the next day that you know,
Speaker 7: how gratifying and grateful and all of the emotions hit.
Speaker 7: The next day, you know, you wake up to four
Speaker 7: or five hundred text messages and just people pulling for you.
Speaker 7: That love you, and you know they might have met
Speaker 7: him once, exchanged numbers and they text you and and
Speaker 7: then you you know, you get a couple of days
Speaker 7: to deal with that and think of that, and and
Speaker 7: then in that situation, you have turned the page because
Speaker 7: you don't want to, but you have to.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, and to go back to that Sunday afternoon at
Speaker 4: Emerald Valley and Eugene, Oregon, where several members of Lab
Speaker 4: Golf are trying to win a tournament of their own.
Speaker 4: We start with Liam Bedford.
Speaker 1: It was the last round of the club Championship, so
Speaker 1: I was in the final group. Sam was in the
Speaker 1: group in front of me, and then Matt Our CEO.
Speaker 1: I was in a couple of groups in front of them,
Speaker 1: and we were on I was on whole thirteen. Sam
Speaker 1: was on whole fourteen and Unnerald Valley they run parallel
Speaker 1: and so and the shortcut to play hole thirteen and
Speaker 1: it's hit the ball like there's a bunch of trees
Speaker 1: down the middle of the fairway. You can hit a
Speaker 1: high cut over the trees onto fourteen fairway and it
Speaker 1: gives you a great look into the thirteen and it's.
Speaker 2: A part five.
Speaker 1: So I hit a high cut over the over the trees,
Speaker 1: and the ride hit it down the middle of fourteenth
Speaker 1: fairway and Sam's coming down in fourteenth fairway and he
Speaker 1: goes to He's like, have you checked the scores? And
Speaker 1: I was just I hadn't checked the scores in probably
Speaker 1: two holes. So Lucas, I think it was through six
Speaker 1: stein when I had lost check at the school schools
Speaker 1: and I think at the time he had a one
Speaker 1: shot leader or he was tied or remember it was
Speaker 1: really close.
Speaker 8: Sam han and and and I'm on the golf course
Speaker 8: on my second round in my club championship. I've got
Speaker 8: Matt in front of me, in the group in front
Speaker 8: of me, and I've got Liam a group behind me,
Speaker 8: the tour the rep or tour rep that did this
Speaker 8: whole thing. I have no idea what I shot. I
Speaker 8: think or I think, yeah, I ended up seventy five
Speaker 8: that day, but like I almost didn't go to play
Speaker 8: the second round, so I didn't have much of a
Speaker 8: chance to win anyway. And I was just like, it's horrifying,
Speaker 8: you know, it's fucking horrifying because like, not you have
Speaker 8: you have the chance for both things to happen, and
Speaker 8: there's there's very little in between. Either Lucas is gonna
Speaker 8: win the fucking tournament or he's gonna miss some putts
Speaker 8: and lose it, because we know he ain't gonna lose
Speaker 8: it with his ball striking, you know. So it's just
Speaker 8: this just horrible, nail biting thing. We get on the
Speaker 8: first team right about the time that day teed off,
Speaker 8: and I'm checking my phone every fourteenth fucking seconds and refreshed, refreshed.
Speaker 8: I bog you the first two holes of my tournament,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, oh my god, now I don't have
Speaker 8: anything to distract me from, you know, my obsession with
Speaker 8: Lucas Glover right now. And then it goes on another
Speaker 8: two or three holes, and then the fucking raindelay hit
Speaker 8: and this is this is at the window. There's like
Speaker 8: an hour long rainde lay, and I'm like dying, just
Speaker 8: absolutely dying, try to focus on my own game. They
Speaker 8: start up again, and long story short, I was on
Speaker 8: the fifteenth tea, Matt was on the fifteenth green. Liam's
Speaker 8: on the fourteenth tee. We're all like waving across from
Speaker 8: fairways and showing the thins and the thumbs up, you know,
Speaker 8: just nervous and whatever. I got this super zippy golf cart.
Speaker 8: And then when he won, like I just I hit
Speaker 8: my tee shot. I waited for my guys to tee off,
Speaker 8: and I drove all the way up to the sixteenth
Speaker 8: tee to meet Matt. Jump into his arm. That's a
Speaker 8: big guy. I'm a little guy, and jumped into his arms,
Speaker 8: you know, picked me up. And then right after I
Speaker 8: you know, jumped into MAT's arms. I got on the
Speaker 8: phone with Bill and there's nothing to say. They're like,
Speaker 8: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh
Speaker 8: my god.
Speaker 4: Here's the inventor, Bill Pressey. After lab Golf secures its
Speaker 4: first win on the PGA Tour and the call he
Speaker 4: receives from Sam.
Speaker 12: You know, our first phone calls were to each other,
Speaker 12: congratulating each other, and yeah I was He was like, okay,
Speaker 12: all right, click, Yeah it was big.
Speaker 9: It was big.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 12: That's that's a monkey on the back.
Speaker 4: He's gone back to Liam Bedford.
Speaker 1: And then so we played play, finished thirteen, finished fourteen,
Speaker 1: and I'm teen off fifteen. Sam's playing sixteen and that
Speaker 1: one kind of runs parallel. San Hits's ball down and
Speaker 1: he sees me on the t box and just drives
Speaker 1: over to me. We don't even say a word. We
Speaker 1: just walk towards each other and just start just giving
Speaker 1: each other a massive hug. And it was a it
Speaker 1: was a really cool day. My wife didn't come watch
Speaker 1: that day, and on the way to the golf course
Speaker 1: after the round, she she stopped off and bought a
Speaker 1: couple of bottles of champagne and and as as a company,
Speaker 1: because a lot of us played in that event, we
Speaker 1: went up and popped a couple of bottles of champagne
Speaker 1: and celebrated just together with the little group of us.
Speaker 1: But it was really really awesome.
Speaker 4: Up next, we're wrapping this series up as Glover keeps
Speaker 4: rolling at the FedEx Saint Jude Championship.
Speaker 3: He went back to back on the PGA Tour against
Speaker 3: two of the best fields in the game, coming in
Speaker 3: with the FedEx Cup and all the pressure.
Speaker 10: In that that that that you can't believe.
Speaker 2: Put another log on the fire. Nobody here is get
Speaker 2: the time