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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: Hey darreon Welcome Back. It is the Book of Joe

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Speaker 1: Podcast with me, Tom Berducci, and of course Joe Madden. Joe,

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Speaker 1: I just got back from beautiful Cooperstown, New York. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever made a trip up there?

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Speaker 2: Joe? Only yes, once, when the Angels played the Expos

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Speaker 2: in that formerly the Hall of Fame game. Uh, you

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Speaker 2: interrupt your season for that one trip up there, but

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Speaker 2: it's definitely worth it. That was a great experience. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I was absolutely enthralled. He played in that little ballpark

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Speaker 2: and was highlighted by the fact that we permitted mcbill meyer,

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Speaker 2: our bullpen catcher, to get one at bat in that

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Speaker 2: game and he hit one over the seats, over the stands,

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Speaker 2: which were not very far, but nevertheless hit it really

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Speaker 2: well to right field. And then on top of that,

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Speaker 2: that's the day after that game when Marcel Lashman decided

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Speaker 2: with your manager. That got that got you did the

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Speaker 2: big leagues, exciting to resign. So really a lot of

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Speaker 2: mixed emotions or memories from that trip Double Day Field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, well, Joe I actually played in the

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Speaker 1: last Hall of Fame Classic game ever played on Double

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Speaker 1: Day Field for the Toronto Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: You did, I did.

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Speaker 1: They had one the next year but it was rained out,

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Speaker 1: so we didn't know at the time. But it was

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Speaker 1: Baltimore against Toronto, Okay, and I struck out, popped up,

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Speaker 2: Did impression?

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Speaker 1: Look it up?

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Speaker 2: Good? I believe you're good for you man, I love it.

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Speaker 1: But I was back there for more important reasons over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, and that was the Hall of Fame inductions.

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Speaker 1: And if you ever have a chance to get up there,

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Speaker 1: as you said, Joe, it's it's not easy to get to.

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Speaker 1: It's tucked away in the Finger Lakes region of upstate

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Speaker 1: New York, but it is beautiful and if you're a

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Speaker 1: on a Hall of Fame induction weekend. You know, the

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Speaker 1: greats of the game are up there. More than fifty

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famers returned for the ceremony. Five were inducted.

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Speaker 1: Two of them, you know, Barker and Dick Gallen I

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Speaker 1: know too close to your heart, Joe, were inducted posthumously.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you caught any of the ceremony, Joe,

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Speaker 1: But what did you hear about it? And what were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly did not. I was kind of like

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Speaker 2: doing things all over the weekends. I saw some video clips.

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Speaker 2: Maybe each rows speech was very well accepted. I did

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Speaker 2: i'd met him both. I didn't really know CC and Etro.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Intro was involved with him in an All

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Speaker 2: before the game, I was having dinner near his table

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Speaker 2: at Us on the Hill in Saint Louis restaurant. Walks

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Speaker 2: in with this little entourage and I sent over a

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Speaker 2: bottle of wine with the caveat that if he would

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Speaker 2: and the All Star gave me giggle. If you remember,

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Speaker 2: and we've talked about this is first that bad. He

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Speaker 2: but he hooked a foul. So yeah, overall, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot there, all worthy, but Dave Parker maybe one of

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Speaker 2: gold and then I'm so wonderful here to the tributes

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Speaker 2: about him post everybody felt the same way. It was

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Speaker 2: Guy was a free thinker from Pennsylvania, so there's a

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Speaker 1: Well, I think unfortunately, Joe, you're not alone people who

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Speaker 1: So listen, Joe, we like to talk here on some

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Speaker 1: in these tremendous Hall of Fame careers by five individuals.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with Billy Wagner, because he was actually

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Speaker 1: Billy Wagner, who never started a game in the major leagues,

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Speaker 1: He talked a lot, Joe about overcoming obstacles, and I

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Speaker 1: You're talking about someone who was born right handed, who

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Speaker 2: All makes sense, first of all, but it does make

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Speaker 2: I'm sure every fan that sat there, whether you were

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Speaker 2: I don't know Billy I've seen a pitch obviously in person,

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Speaker 1: A couple other highlights of his speech, of course, he

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Speaker 1: To me, that's the ultimate compliment, because in the course

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Speaker 1: I mean, I equate it to being you're in the

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it's like being around the same

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Speaker 1: and praise from teammates to me means more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: You know, awards are great, media interviews, highlights, all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. But that's the ultimate compliment. And I think

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Speaker 1: Billy Wagner it really fits that. Bill just a great guy.

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Speaker 1: He's the first player, by the way, who came from

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Speaker 1: They drafted him twelfth overall. Wow, and he wound up

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Speaker 2: With today's scouting worlds, identify that I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: I got to share two quick lines from Dave Parker

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Speaker 2: He left all of that it's all true. It's all true.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we're going to take a quick break on the

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Speaker 2: throw the head of the bat at the ball. I

432
00:20:54,638 --> 00:20:57,718
Speaker 2: created a drill with the Ponza machine back in the

433
00:20:57,798 --> 00:21:00,078
Speaker 2: day and instructional legs with the Angels where I set

434
00:21:00,118 --> 00:21:02,158
Speaker 2: a machine at thirty three feet from home plate and

435
00:21:02,198 --> 00:21:03,678
Speaker 2: it set it on low leg so that the ball

436
00:21:03,678 --> 00:21:06,558
Speaker 2: would on a ride. And I got heavier bass for

437
00:21:06,638 --> 00:21:08,718
Speaker 2: all my instruction league players. There were like thirty six

438
00:21:08,798 --> 00:21:11,758
Speaker 2: ounce thirty four inch which was heavy enough, and I

439
00:21:11,878 --> 00:21:14,598
Speaker 2: put a piece of duct tape on the barrel, and

440
00:21:14,638 --> 00:21:17,438
Speaker 2: the whole point of the drill was no mechanics involved.

441
00:21:17,478 --> 00:21:19,638
Speaker 2: Right here, throw the head of the bat, throw the barrel,

442
00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:22,118
Speaker 2: throw the tape on the bat, at the ball and

443
00:21:22,238 --> 00:21:25,238
Speaker 2: utilize your hands. You couldn't jump, You cant to stay

444
00:21:25,238 --> 00:21:27,838
Speaker 2: inside the ball. You couldn't be sweepy, you couldn't be long.

445
00:21:28,118 --> 00:21:29,518
Speaker 2: You had to be short to the ball, short in

446
00:21:29,558 --> 00:21:31,718
Speaker 2: the back, long out front. That was I'm telling you.

447
00:21:31,758 --> 00:21:33,838
Speaker 2: It was inspired by Alan and what he had done.

448
00:21:34,078 --> 00:21:37,478
Speaker 2: It's all true. And how do you even hold up?

449
00:21:37,558 --> 00:21:40,158
Speaker 2: How do you check swing that bat? And on top

450
00:21:40,158 --> 00:21:41,678
Speaker 2: of that, he wore out Nolan Ryan.

451
00:21:43,278 --> 00:21:47,158
Speaker 1: His widow gave a brilliant speech. And you think about

452
00:21:47,358 --> 00:21:49,998
Speaker 1: the way Dick Allen broke into Major League baseball in

453
00:21:50,038 --> 00:21:52,518
Speaker 1: the early sixties. He was, if not the first, one

454
00:21:52,558 --> 00:21:55,318
Speaker 1: of the first true great African American stars of the

455
00:21:55,318 --> 00:21:59,238
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Phillies, one of the last National League teams to integrate.

456
00:21:59,398 --> 00:22:02,638
Speaker 1: It was not easy for Dick Allen. I think he

457
00:22:02,718 --> 00:22:05,718
Speaker 1: was appreciated much more his second time around in Philadelphia,

458
00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:08,438
Speaker 1: But his wife told the story about how he really

459
00:22:08,478 --> 00:22:11,238
Speaker 1: connected with the fans. Best story of all was one

460
00:22:11,318 --> 00:22:14,038
Speaker 1: day they Phillies were playing at Dodger Stadium, and after

461
00:22:14,038 --> 00:22:16,998
Speaker 1: a game, a little kid came up to him and

462
00:22:16,998 --> 00:22:19,358
Speaker 1: asked for an autograph, and Dick Allen said, you know, son,

463
00:22:19,558 --> 00:22:22,078
Speaker 1: he said, rather than giving you an autograph, I'd rather

464
00:22:22,078 --> 00:22:23,878
Speaker 1: you ask me a question. I'd rather just talk to

465
00:22:23,918 --> 00:22:26,358
Speaker 1: you and shake your hand. He wound up talking to

466
00:22:26,398 --> 00:22:29,638
Speaker 1: this kid for two hours, just going back and forth

467
00:22:29,678 --> 00:22:32,918
Speaker 1: about life or baseball or what have you. Long story short.

468
00:22:32,958 --> 00:22:36,678
Speaker 1: They formed such a relationship that that kid became a

469
00:22:36,758 --> 00:22:39,278
Speaker 1: lifelong friend of Dick Allen and his family. And he

470
00:22:39,398 --> 00:22:42,398
Speaker 1: was there in Cooperstown at the age of seventy to

471
00:22:42,478 --> 00:22:45,558
Speaker 1: see his hero and mentor inducted into the Baseball Hall

472
00:22:45,598 --> 00:22:49,278
Speaker 1: of Fame. That was so touching. She talked about how

473
00:22:49,318 --> 00:22:52,958
Speaker 1: the fans meant everything to Dick Allen, and he was

474
00:22:53,078 --> 00:22:55,638
Speaker 1: most proud of when he spent one year with the

475
00:22:55,758 --> 00:22:59,878
Speaker 1: LA Dodgers, and as she said, it was deeply personal

476
00:22:59,958 --> 00:23:03,158
Speaker 1: to him because putting on that Dodger uniform was a

477
00:23:03,198 --> 00:23:06,798
Speaker 1: literal connect to Jackie Robinson, who made his path to

478
00:23:06,838 --> 00:23:09,438
Speaker 1: baseball even possible. Great stuff.

479
00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:11,718
Speaker 2: That's almost how it happened with me to meet Dick Youllen.

480
00:23:11,758 --> 00:23:13,958
Speaker 2: I was in Quad Cities, Davenport, Iowa. I was a

481
00:23:14,078 --> 00:23:16,198
Speaker 2: roming hitting instructor, and they's to sit out by the

482
00:23:16,278 --> 00:23:18,798
Speaker 2: dugout early on to write my notes what I was

483
00:23:18,838 --> 00:23:20,958
Speaker 2: going to work with with the guys out there, maybe

484
00:23:20,998 --> 00:23:23,598
Speaker 2: something that had happened the day before. And for whatever reason,

485
00:23:23,638 --> 00:23:25,198
Speaker 2: I walk out there, I sit behind a doug and

486
00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:27,198
Speaker 2: I look up and the Earth take down with the

487
00:23:27,198 --> 00:23:30,398
Speaker 2: Philly uniform on about five or six rows up from me. Seriously,

488
00:23:30,478 --> 00:23:33,718
Speaker 2: I okay. Apparently he was there too. There was something

489
00:23:33,758 --> 00:23:36,038
Speaker 2: going on. I can't remember specifically, but he was there,

490
00:23:36,158 --> 00:23:39,758
Speaker 2: and God, I mean, you know, meeting like your idol

491
00:23:39,838 --> 00:23:42,478
Speaker 2: right there. So I drummed up the courage, walked up

492
00:23:42,518 --> 00:23:44,518
Speaker 2: to him and started talking to him. It was slightly interested,

493
00:23:44,518 --> 00:23:46,598
Speaker 2: but he wasn't really you know, I'm Joe, I'm from him,

494
00:23:46,638 --> 00:23:50,798
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania hitting coach whatever. But then I threw something out there.

495
00:23:50,958 --> 00:23:53,718
Speaker 2: I mentioned, by the way, I'm from Hazelton, PA. And

496
00:23:53,718 --> 00:23:57,038
Speaker 2: that's where Pete Sarah is from, the former clubhouse guy

497
00:23:57,078 --> 00:24:01,718
Speaker 2: for the Phillies. That changed everything. Apparently him and Pete

498
00:24:01,718 --> 00:24:06,038
Speaker 2: were really tight. Pete Sarah lived on fourth or fifteen

499
00:24:06,078 --> 00:24:08,638
Speaker 2: Hay Street, and they knew all of that. And I

500
00:24:08,678 --> 00:24:10,318
Speaker 2: had met Pete a couple times back when I was

501
00:24:10,318 --> 00:24:13,198
Speaker 2: a kid. But from that moment on, we talked hitting

502
00:24:13,198 --> 00:24:15,878
Speaker 2: for about an hour, just he and I, and then

503
00:24:15,958 --> 00:24:18,518
Speaker 2: I persuaded him to take batting practice with us because

504
00:24:18,518 --> 00:24:20,518
Speaker 2: I wanted to see what his routine was. So this

505
00:24:20,678 --> 00:24:23,758
Speaker 2: was like I do on early mid nineteen eighties. So

506
00:24:23,798 --> 00:24:25,598
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I don't know exactly, have to do

507
00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:27,198
Speaker 2: the math how old he was. He wasn't that old.

508
00:24:27,518 --> 00:24:29,958
Speaker 2: But he went out there and he showed first part

509
00:24:29,958 --> 00:24:31,518
Speaker 2: of his VP. I want to go to right field,

510
00:24:31,518 --> 00:24:33,318
Speaker 2: then I want to drive some balls back up the middle,

511
00:24:33,598 --> 00:24:35,278
Speaker 2: and then I'll turn it loose for the last five

512
00:24:35,398 --> 00:24:39,478
Speaker 2: ten swings. It's a beautiful display, something I'll never forget.

513
00:24:40,118 --> 00:24:44,078
Speaker 1: Great story love that. Next up was C. C. Sabbathia,

514
00:24:44,398 --> 00:24:48,438
Speaker 1: and he actually gave a beautiful speech where a lot

515
00:24:48,478 --> 00:24:50,598
Speaker 1: of it was about the women in his life, such

516
00:24:50,678 --> 00:24:53,598
Speaker 1: strong women who were there all the time for him.

517
00:24:53,638 --> 00:24:55,798
Speaker 1: The time is he spent at his grandmother's house, how

518
00:24:55,838 --> 00:25:00,038
Speaker 1: influential his mother was, his aunt's, they were all there.

519
00:25:00,478 --> 00:25:02,718
Speaker 1: It seemed like half of the town of Alejo, California,

520
00:25:02,798 --> 00:25:05,158
Speaker 1: came out there to towards CC going into the Hall

521
00:25:05,198 --> 00:25:07,998
Speaker 1: of Fame. I just thought that was beautiful. It's a

522
00:25:08,038 --> 00:25:10,758
Speaker 1: speech you don't hear a lot about when it came

523
00:25:10,798 --> 00:25:13,398
Speaker 1: to the women of the family, but just the backbone

524
00:25:13,438 --> 00:25:15,918
Speaker 1: of how CC was raised. And of course he goes

525
00:25:15,958 --> 00:25:18,118
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame as I don't want to

526
00:25:18,158 --> 00:25:20,558
Speaker 1: say the last of the kind Joe, but certainly one

527
00:25:20,598 --> 00:25:22,958
Speaker 1: of them in terms of a true workhorse. Of course,

528
00:25:22,958 --> 00:25:25,078
Speaker 1: you can't forget the job he did with Milwaukee down

529
00:25:25,118 --> 00:25:28,558
Speaker 1: the stretch where he's he's heading towards free agency, and

530
00:25:29,118 --> 00:25:31,078
Speaker 1: he makes three starts in a row at the end

531
00:25:31,118 --> 00:25:34,038
Speaker 1: of the season on short rest and throws well over

532
00:25:34,078 --> 00:25:36,438
Speaker 1: one hundred pitches in all of them, including the clincher

533
00:25:36,758 --> 00:25:40,198
Speaker 1: where he closed his own game, and he lasted a

534
00:25:40,238 --> 00:25:42,558
Speaker 1: long time. I thought he had beautiful mechanics, Joe, with

535
00:25:42,678 --> 00:25:45,158
Speaker 1: that little pause in the back and his arm swing

536
00:25:45,998 --> 00:25:47,998
Speaker 1: stayed over his front side. Really well, just a really

537
00:25:48,038 --> 00:25:51,278
Speaker 1: good athlete. So one of only three left headed pitchers

538
00:25:51,278 --> 00:25:53,958
Speaker 1: with two hundred and fifty wins and three thousand strikeouts

539
00:25:53,998 --> 00:25:57,118
Speaker 1: Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson the others. The other thing

540
00:25:57,078 --> 00:25:59,118
Speaker 1: that he made sure that he talked about was, you know,

541
00:25:59,278 --> 00:26:02,118
Speaker 1: now he's working with and for the Commissioner of Baseball,

542
00:26:02,238 --> 00:26:05,798
Speaker 1: Rob Manfred. He's part of program called the Commissioners at

543
00:26:06,038 --> 00:26:10,598
Speaker 1: Ambassadorship program called CAP where he's got former players basically

544
00:26:10,638 --> 00:26:14,758
Speaker 1: being ambassadors for the game, and CC really is spearheading

545
00:26:14,758 --> 00:26:17,758
Speaker 1: that program. And he talked about how he wants to

546
00:26:17,758 --> 00:26:20,878
Speaker 1: bring back, you know more CC sabbathis in the game,

547
00:26:21,038 --> 00:26:23,558
Speaker 1: that African American kids can look at Major League Baseball

548
00:26:23,598 --> 00:26:27,438
Speaker 1: now and see many faces of inspiration out there. As

549
00:26:27,478 --> 00:26:30,478
Speaker 1: he said, I don't want to be the final one

550
00:26:30,598 --> 00:26:33,278
Speaker 1: of the Black Aces. Of course, the Black Aces started

551
00:26:33,278 --> 00:26:36,558
Speaker 1: by Mudcat Grant, African American pitchers who won at least

552
00:26:36,558 --> 00:26:38,198
Speaker 1: twenty games in the big leagues. And he told a

553
00:26:38,198 --> 00:26:41,278
Speaker 1: great story about how CC won a say young one

554
00:26:41,358 --> 00:26:44,478
Speaker 1: year and Mudcat said, you're not in the club yet.

555
00:26:44,478 --> 00:26:45,758
Speaker 1: He said, what are you talking about? He said, you

556
00:26:45,758 --> 00:26:48,838
Speaker 1: gotta win twenty And of course CEC did win twenty.

557
00:26:49,598 --> 00:26:53,078
Speaker 1: Only CC and Bob Gibson among the Black Aces who

558
00:26:53,118 --> 00:26:55,718
Speaker 1: are now Hall of Famers. So I thought that was

559
00:26:55,758 --> 00:26:58,558
Speaker 1: a touching speech In many ways. CC did not disappoint

560
00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:03,238
Speaker 1: well spoken, It was delivered just with incredible poise and

561
00:27:03,398 --> 00:27:05,518
Speaker 1: hit all around notes. I was impressed by that one.

562
00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:08,718
Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, the Milwaukee gig when he went

563
00:27:08,758 --> 00:27:10,918
Speaker 2: out at the end of that season being a free agent.

564
00:27:11,598 --> 00:27:13,518
Speaker 2: You know, I've always liked him. I saw him with Cleveland.

565
00:27:13,598 --> 00:27:15,918
Speaker 2: I watched him as a first base coach. I watched

566
00:27:15,958 --> 00:27:18,398
Speaker 2: him from this side all the time. He was a

567
00:27:18,398 --> 00:27:19,998
Speaker 2: big guy at that time. You know, he's lost some

568
00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:21,878
Speaker 2: weight since, but he was a big dude. But he

569
00:27:21,958 --> 00:27:23,878
Speaker 2: was a good athlete and he did move really well.

570
00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:27,398
Speaker 2: But what he did in Milwaukee, that could be talking

571
00:27:27,398 --> 00:27:32,038
Speaker 2: about Dick Allen, Dave Parker teammates, great teammate, My god.

572
00:27:32,238 --> 00:27:35,678
Speaker 2: I mean, what he did right there exceeded any It's

573
00:27:35,838 --> 00:27:37,878
Speaker 2: again again, I could we could argue this, and this

574
00:27:37,918 --> 00:27:40,118
Speaker 2: is off the beaten path, but like it comes to

575
00:27:40,358 --> 00:27:43,238
Speaker 2: ball season now and players are skipping bowl games, they're

576
00:27:43,238 --> 00:27:45,558
Speaker 2: worried about getting hurt because they're worried about the draft,

577
00:27:45,558 --> 00:27:48,798
Speaker 2: et cetera. And that gets defended. But here's the guy

578
00:27:48,838 --> 00:27:51,878
Speaker 2: that was going into it a very lucrative potentially free

579
00:27:51,918 --> 00:27:54,278
Speaker 2: agency and he said, no, I came here to do

580
00:27:54,318 --> 00:27:56,318
Speaker 2: a job. I'm here to help Milwaukee win. And that's

581
00:27:56,358 --> 00:28:00,158
Speaker 2: what he did. So at that moment, I was always

582
00:28:00,238 --> 00:28:02,878
Speaker 2: liked him. I don't know him, but as a as

583
00:28:02,918 --> 00:28:05,798
Speaker 2: an observer, I thought, wow, that is some kind of

584
00:28:05,838 --> 00:28:08,238
Speaker 2: impressive feat what he did, so that stands out. I

585
00:28:08,318 --> 00:28:11,958
Speaker 2: became a lifelong fan at that point. And the second

586
00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:14,798
Speaker 2: part we we're talking about the game plan to potentially

587
00:28:14,838 --> 00:28:17,758
Speaker 2: find some more black aces to pitch in the big leagues,

588
00:28:17,838 --> 00:28:20,318
Speaker 2: or just more black players in general. I'd love to

589
00:28:20,318 --> 00:28:23,558
Speaker 2: know what the overarching game plan is regarding how they're

590
00:28:23,638 --> 00:28:26,078
Speaker 2: going about that. It's one thing to talk about doing

591
00:28:26,118 --> 00:28:28,798
Speaker 2: something like that, but I'd love to know specifically, you know,

592
00:28:28,838 --> 00:28:32,158
Speaker 2: what is the plan, how is that being arrived at? What?

593
00:28:32,518 --> 00:28:34,478
Speaker 2: What's the vehicle they've gotten in place? What is the

594
00:28:34,518 --> 00:28:37,038
Speaker 2: mechanics in order to get that? And I think it's great,

595
00:28:37,238 --> 00:28:39,358
Speaker 2: that's I guess that's what I'm driving at. Even as

596
00:28:39,358 --> 00:28:41,758
Speaker 2: a young scout, I recognize the fact that these black

597
00:28:41,758 --> 00:28:44,998
Speaker 2: players were going to basketball or football and we're missing

598
00:28:45,078 --> 00:28:47,558
Speaker 2: them out in baseball. And you turn back the clock

599
00:28:47,598 --> 00:28:49,318
Speaker 2: and you go back to the maze and the errands

600
00:28:49,358 --> 00:28:52,238
Speaker 2: and you know everything posts Jackie Robinson with so many

601
00:28:52,318 --> 00:28:55,958
Speaker 2: dynamic Cardinals, I mean, Lou Brock, Kurt Flood, my guys, Gibson,

602
00:28:56,078 --> 00:28:59,038
Speaker 2: all those guys dynamic. So I'd love to know what

603
00:28:59,038 --> 00:29:00,438
Speaker 2: the game plan is because I think it's I think

604
00:29:00,438 --> 00:29:03,718
Speaker 2: it's definitely worthwhile, and you have to somehow allure them

605
00:29:03,998 --> 00:29:06,518
Speaker 2: from the basketball court, where there's no minor leagues. I

606
00:29:06,598 --> 00:29:09,158
Speaker 2: just jump right into it. Football, there's no minor leagues.

607
00:29:09,158 --> 00:29:11,198
Speaker 2: I just jump right into it. I read a great

608
00:29:11,238 --> 00:29:13,558
Speaker 2: book by James Mitcher in the late seventies. I think

609
00:29:13,558 --> 00:29:16,358
Speaker 2: it was might have been early eighties Sports in America

610
00:29:16,398 --> 00:29:19,278
Speaker 2: by James Mitchener. It's great Pressian Reid, well ahead of

611
00:29:19,278 --> 00:29:21,918
Speaker 2: its time, but a lot of it kind of addressed

612
00:29:21,918 --> 00:29:25,078
Speaker 2: this situation in advance of it actually being an issue.

613
00:29:25,318 --> 00:29:27,478
Speaker 2: Game plan. Please, do we need to get more of

614
00:29:27,518 --> 00:29:30,558
Speaker 2: those kids out there? Man? I love the kid Simpson

615
00:29:30,598 --> 00:29:33,878
Speaker 2: with the rays right now. Yeah, yeah, I love watching

616
00:29:33,958 --> 00:29:38,838
Speaker 2: him play, man. I love the pure, unaltered dynamics, almost

617
00:29:38,838 --> 00:29:41,278
Speaker 2: like watching Carl Crawford. Maybe not as strong as CC,

618
00:29:41,838 --> 00:29:46,478
Speaker 2: but this really short, athletic, non robotic attempt to play

619
00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:46,798
Speaker 2: the game.

620
00:29:46,838 --> 00:29:49,958
Speaker 1: And I love it absolutely. And then last up was

621
00:29:50,318 --> 00:29:52,838
Speaker 1: Eachi Rosazuki. Now each year in the course of his

622
00:29:52,918 --> 00:29:55,798
Speaker 1: career really didn't do a lot of interviews in English.

623
00:29:56,118 --> 00:29:59,798
Speaker 1: He understands, you know what we call the baseball English, right,

624
00:29:59,958 --> 00:30:02,638
Speaker 1: the key words and such, but he went out of

625
00:30:02,638 --> 00:30:06,438
Speaker 1: his way to deliver his speech in English, and it

626
00:30:06,558 --> 00:30:08,798
Speaker 1: was just it was great Joe, because a lot of

627
00:30:08,838 --> 00:30:12,478
Speaker 1: people obviously you know each euro famous player, one of

628
00:30:12,558 --> 00:30:15,918
Speaker 1: the great contact hitters ever that we've ever seen in

629
00:30:15,918 --> 00:30:18,518
Speaker 1: the game, more than four thousand hits when you include

630
00:30:18,518 --> 00:30:22,558
Speaker 1: his time in Japan. He played twenty eight seasons. When

631
00:30:22,598 --> 00:30:25,238
Speaker 1: he was first drafted by the ORX Blue Wave, he

632
00:30:25,398 --> 00:30:28,718
Speaker 1: was five foot nine and one hundred and twenty pounds.

633
00:30:28,998 --> 00:30:32,798
Speaker 1: Just amazing. He played more seasons than anybody professionally when

634
00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:36,798
Speaker 1: you talk about Japanese baseball and MLB, and he really

635
00:30:36,798 --> 00:30:38,998
Speaker 1: didn't change. His style of play did not change, and

636
00:30:39,038 --> 00:30:41,478
Speaker 1: he played during the period where everybody was in love

637
00:30:41,838 --> 00:30:45,478
Speaker 1: with peds and home runs, right, but his game played.

638
00:30:45,758 --> 00:30:49,358
Speaker 1: But listening to each hero, just the humor, Joe really

639
00:30:49,558 --> 00:30:52,478
Speaker 1: came across and serious when he needed to be. He

640
00:30:52,598 --> 00:30:55,118
Speaker 1: talked about, of course there was only one baseball writer

641
00:30:55,198 --> 00:30:57,438
Speaker 1: who did not vote for each hero, and at the

642
00:30:57,478 --> 00:31:00,278
Speaker 1: time he said, well, I have a standing offer for

643
00:31:00,638 --> 00:31:03,078
Speaker 1: that one writer who did not vote for me. I

644
00:31:03,118 --> 00:31:05,238
Speaker 1: will take you out to dinner and we can talk.

645
00:31:05,318 --> 00:31:05,518
Speaker 2: Well.

646
00:31:05,518 --> 00:31:08,238
Speaker 1: In his speech he mentioned, by the way, as far

647
00:31:08,278 --> 00:31:10,758
Speaker 1: as that one writer didn't vote for me. The offer

648
00:31:10,998 --> 00:31:14,198
Speaker 1: has expired. It just kind of let you know in

649
00:31:14,238 --> 00:31:17,278
Speaker 1: the uberus way that he's not completely over it. He's

650
00:31:17,278 --> 00:31:21,558
Speaker 1: a very proud guy. He did an incredible personation of

651
00:31:21,718 --> 00:31:27,758
Speaker 1: Mariners broadcaster Rick Riz imperfect English. That was impressive. He

652
00:31:27,838 --> 00:31:30,598
Speaker 1: talked about getting his hit number three thousand with the Marlins,

653
00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:34,398
Speaker 1: where he said, at the time, I had never heard

654
00:31:34,398 --> 00:31:36,998
Speaker 1: of your team talking to David Samson to the Marlins.

655
00:31:37,478 --> 00:31:40,998
Speaker 1: That was pretty funny. But more seriously, he talked about

656
00:31:41,038 --> 00:31:46,518
Speaker 1: the greatest responsibility for a player is taking responsibility for yourself.

657
00:31:46,918 --> 00:31:48,958
Speaker 1: He said, you owe it to the fans from day

658
00:31:48,998 --> 00:31:52,038
Speaker 1: one to day one sixty two two, as he put it,

659
00:31:52,398 --> 00:31:56,398
Speaker 1: never put the bats away early. Make sure your equipment

660
00:31:56,798 --> 00:31:59,998
Speaker 1: was meticulously cleaned and ready, because you never wanted to

661
00:32:00,038 --> 00:32:02,118
Speaker 1: drop a ball because a lace was out of place,

662
00:32:02,158 --> 00:32:05,838
Speaker 1: or where your shoe wasn't clean enough. Just the meticulousness,

663
00:32:06,158 --> 00:32:11,398
Speaker 1: the attention to detail, and the craftsmanship of eachiro Suzuki

664
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:12,278
Speaker 1: just blew me away.

665
00:32:12,358 --> 00:32:12,558
Speaker 2: Joe.

666
00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:16,318
Speaker 1: It was like listening to, you know, a master woodworker

667
00:32:16,638 --> 00:32:20,878
Speaker 1: or a master jeweler talk about his craft and the

668
00:32:20,878 --> 00:32:25,758
Speaker 1: materials and the dedication, and nothing was ever too small

669
00:32:25,878 --> 00:32:27,638
Speaker 1: to me. That was each ye row and I think

670
00:32:27,638 --> 00:32:30,758
Speaker 1: people really got a window into a player who's just

671
00:32:30,838 --> 00:32:32,558
Speaker 1: fascinating like we never did before.

672
00:32:32,958 --> 00:32:35,838
Speaker 2: Yeah, And with all of that said, and you're right

673
00:32:35,878 --> 00:32:37,878
Speaker 2: on the money. He got all those hits because he

674
00:32:37,958 --> 00:32:40,918
Speaker 2: was impossible to defend. I was in charge of defense

675
00:32:41,598 --> 00:32:43,758
Speaker 2: with the Angels at that time when he was very prominent,

676
00:32:43,838 --> 00:32:47,438
Speaker 2: and look at the spray charts, it was incredible. He

677
00:32:47,678 --> 00:32:51,438
Speaker 2: was the He was the epitome of the line of

678
00:32:51,478 --> 00:32:54,798
Speaker 2: the phrase that was that wee Willie Keeler pronounced I

679
00:32:54,798 --> 00:32:57,358
Speaker 2: don't know what year it was, but hit him where

680
00:32:57,358 --> 00:32:59,998
Speaker 2: they ain't. You could not defend him. I really believe

681
00:32:59,998 --> 00:33:02,198
Speaker 2: he came up to home play check things out and

682
00:33:02,278 --> 00:33:03,998
Speaker 2: decided what kind of pitch I'm gonna look for or

683
00:33:03,998 --> 00:33:06,198
Speaker 2: where I'm going to hit it. You know, almost like

684
00:33:06,478 --> 00:33:08,518
Speaker 2: Tony Gwynn almost had that ability to or did have

685
00:33:08,558 --> 00:33:11,158
Speaker 2: that ability. So you would go up to the plate

686
00:33:11,278 --> 00:33:13,478
Speaker 2: and his feet would be moving, he'd spin out of

687
00:33:13,478 --> 00:33:18,078
Speaker 2: control sometimes, but he would always Wow. It was so

688
00:33:19,158 --> 00:33:22,678
Speaker 2: maddingly done. I mean, okay, you play the short the

689
00:33:22,678 --> 00:33:25,758
Speaker 2: shortstops therea player infield, maybe in bunch him, bunch him

690
00:33:25,758 --> 00:33:27,478
Speaker 2: a little bit towards the gap and left center, and

691
00:33:27,478 --> 00:33:28,678
Speaker 2: all of a sudden the ball good down the left

692
00:33:28,678 --> 00:33:30,758
Speaker 2: field line. Then you play your left fielder more in

693
00:33:30,838 --> 00:33:32,278
Speaker 2: and over towards line. Then all of a sudden he

694
00:33:32,318 --> 00:33:35,518
Speaker 2: go right over the shortstop's head on the infield. One

695
00:33:35,558 --> 00:33:37,238
Speaker 2: thing I thought I noticed was he rarely ever hit

696
00:33:37,278 --> 00:33:39,158
Speaker 2: a ball down the line on the ground, So I

697
00:33:39,198 --> 00:33:41,638
Speaker 2: always try to get my first and third basement off

698
00:33:41,918 --> 00:33:44,358
Speaker 2: and into the hole on both sides, because if he

699
00:33:44,398 --> 00:33:46,238
Speaker 2: hit the ball on the left side and the shortstop

700
00:33:46,238 --> 00:33:48,478
Speaker 2: pad to pick it up going to his right, he's safe.

701
00:33:48,518 --> 00:33:50,078
Speaker 2: He's safe. So you have to have the third basement

702
00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:52,478
Speaker 2: cut it off in order to hopefully, you know, get

703
00:33:52,518 --> 00:33:54,238
Speaker 2: him out and have him throw him out of first base.

704
00:33:54,398 --> 00:33:57,198
Speaker 2: And then if the guy wanted to hit for power,

705
00:33:57,278 --> 00:33:59,558
Speaker 2: trust me, he could have. That was not part of

706
00:33:59,598 --> 00:34:01,518
Speaker 2: his gig. But once in a while when he wanted

707
00:34:01,518 --> 00:34:03,918
Speaker 2: to really catch one. You watch him vp he hit home.

708
00:34:03,998 --> 00:34:05,518
Speaker 2: I was like it was nothing. Bogs. He was the

709
00:34:05,518 --> 00:34:08,278
Speaker 2: same way Wade Bogs, another guy, great line drive hitter

710
00:34:08,318 --> 00:34:09,878
Speaker 2: that knew how to hit the ball the whole field,

711
00:34:10,158 --> 00:34:14,358
Speaker 2: so he was impossible to defend. Part of his meticulous preparation,

712
00:34:14,518 --> 00:34:16,278
Speaker 2: he'd go up there do that thing with his arm

713
00:34:16,278 --> 00:34:18,438
Speaker 2: and stick his arm out and kind of swipe the

714
00:34:18,958 --> 00:34:20,398
Speaker 2: with the bat and the other arm would go up

715
00:34:20,438 --> 00:34:22,758
Speaker 2: and down his that arm with the bat in his hand,

716
00:34:22,758 --> 00:34:25,398
Speaker 2: and he'd look where might hit this ball, and it

717
00:34:25,478 --> 00:34:27,398
Speaker 2: was very And then on top of the speed, the

718
00:34:27,478 --> 00:34:30,278
Speaker 2: speed was oh my god. And then okay, defense, was

719
00:34:30,278 --> 00:34:31,998
Speaker 2: there a better arm at that time in the game,

720
00:34:32,078 --> 00:34:33,918
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that there was a

721
00:34:33,918 --> 00:34:35,838
Speaker 2: better arm. And then if you talk about Dave Parker,

722
00:34:35,838 --> 00:34:37,878
Speaker 2: I'd love to see those two guys throw from right

723
00:34:37,918 --> 00:34:42,878
Speaker 2: field in a contest with like maybe Ellis Valentine, Jesse Barfield,

724
00:34:42,918 --> 00:34:45,198
Speaker 2: those kind of guys, because that's when arms really were

725
00:34:45,278 --> 00:34:46,958
Speaker 2: prolific in the big leagues. That was part of the

726
00:34:46,958 --> 00:34:48,998
Speaker 2: scouting culture at that time. You had to have right

727
00:34:49,038 --> 00:34:52,238
Speaker 2: fielders with great arms. So all of this stuff fascinating.

728
00:34:52,238 --> 00:34:55,158
Speaker 2: He could steal the base. Not a big guy, but god,

729
00:34:55,198 --> 00:34:58,878
Speaker 2: he was so difficult to defend. And on defense, nobody better.

730
00:34:59,038 --> 00:35:02,038
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he knows the history of the game too.

731
00:35:02,118 --> 00:35:04,198
Speaker 1: Joe On like a lot of players, I mean, maybe

732
00:35:04,238 --> 00:35:06,878
Speaker 1: as much as anybody. He said he was thrilled when

733
00:35:06,918 --> 00:35:10,878
Speaker 1: he first checked into the Otasaga hotel, he met Wade Boggs.

734
00:35:10,918 --> 00:35:12,838
Speaker 1: He sounded like a little kid. And you can imagine

735
00:35:12,838 --> 00:35:15,318
Speaker 1: how much each year. Probably admired Boggs from Afar with

736
00:35:15,358 --> 00:35:18,238
Speaker 1: his ability to put the ball in play. And he

737
00:35:18,278 --> 00:35:20,598
Speaker 1: said one of the guys he really looked forward to meeting.

738
00:35:20,918 --> 00:35:23,958
Speaker 1: Because now you're remember this fraternity the most exclusive in

739
00:35:23,998 --> 00:35:27,878
Speaker 1: baseball was Rod Carw and you can see some similarities

740
00:35:27,918 --> 00:35:28,478
Speaker 1: there as well.

741
00:35:28,838 --> 00:35:33,598
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rodney, Rodney has had that ability to I got

742
00:35:33,638 --> 00:35:35,638
Speaker 2: to know Boggs. He really well done in Tampa. I mean,

743
00:35:35,638 --> 00:35:38,078
Speaker 2: I just love the guy. He says a He's a

744
00:35:38,118 --> 00:35:40,438
Speaker 2: man's man for sure, and he and he and he

745
00:35:40,518 --> 00:35:42,478
Speaker 2: used to come in and see me after games in Tampa.

746
00:35:42,518 --> 00:35:44,718
Speaker 2: Bay was all jacked up, all happy when we won.

747
00:35:45,158 --> 00:35:47,758
Speaker 2: And Rodney and I worked together for several years with

748
00:35:47,838 --> 00:35:51,118
Speaker 2: the Angels and I was actually used to throw a

749
00:35:51,118 --> 00:35:53,438
Speaker 2: batting practice to him when I was a young coach

750
00:35:53,478 --> 00:35:55,958
Speaker 2: with the Inch organization in the eighties. And one thing

751
00:35:55,998 --> 00:35:59,958
Speaker 2: about Rod Carw was so difficult as a BP pitcher.

752
00:36:00,318 --> 00:36:02,398
Speaker 2: There was certain pitches he would not swing at, and

753
00:36:02,438 --> 00:36:04,478
Speaker 2: I mean like I thought they were strike and it

754
00:36:04,518 --> 00:36:07,518
Speaker 2: would be like maybe belltie away on the outside edge.

755
00:36:07,718 --> 00:36:09,758
Speaker 2: And as when you're throwing batting practice, you want guys

756
00:36:09,758 --> 00:36:11,318
Speaker 2: to swing at that stuff. Let's move this thing along,

757
00:36:11,318 --> 00:36:13,798
Speaker 2: because it makes you look bad if you're not throwing strikes.

758
00:36:13,838 --> 00:36:16,278
Speaker 2: But I swear to you he would never swing at

759
00:36:16,278 --> 00:36:18,318
Speaker 2: that one, one particular pitch. And I brought it to

760
00:36:18,358 --> 00:36:21,518
Speaker 2: his attention because I threw to him often, just in

761
00:36:21,758 --> 00:36:23,798
Speaker 2: a craftsman and when you had that kind of an

762
00:36:23,838 --> 00:36:26,038
Speaker 2: angle watching this occur, the way he laid the bat

763
00:36:26,078 --> 00:36:27,438
Speaker 2: back and then all of a sudden it pick it

764
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:29,958
Speaker 2: up and the stroke and I mean the hand, the

765
00:36:30,078 --> 00:36:32,638
Speaker 2: hands and the hand actual were incredible. Yes, there's so

766
00:36:32,718 --> 00:36:35,478
Speaker 2: many similarities. And even I'll throw like I said, Tony

767
00:36:35,478 --> 00:36:38,038
Speaker 2: and there Tony Gwyn who's a teammate of mine in Boulder,

768
00:36:38,078 --> 00:36:42,838
Speaker 2: Colorado in nineteen eighty just amazing command of the head

769
00:36:42,838 --> 00:36:45,398
Speaker 2: of the bat based on they never swung the bat

770
00:36:45,398 --> 00:36:48,598
Speaker 2: with their arms so dynamic from their fingertips to their elbows.

771
00:36:48,638 --> 00:36:51,518
Speaker 2: All these guys that we're talking about, So listen, I'm

772
00:36:51,518 --> 00:36:53,198
Speaker 2: pleased for him. I got to know eachro a little

773
00:36:53,198 --> 00:36:55,958
Speaker 2: bit what he did in the game on parallel between

774
00:36:56,038 --> 00:36:57,358
Speaker 2: Japan and the United States.

775
00:36:57,518 --> 00:36:59,678
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and I can only imagine what it was like,

776
00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:02,718
Speaker 1: for you putting those early age hitting charts together for

777
00:37:02,798 --> 00:37:05,158
Speaker 1: someone like each hero and to defend him. Good luck

778
00:37:05,198 --> 00:37:06,878
Speaker 1: with that. You're right, it did seem like he could

779
00:37:06,918 --> 00:37:10,438
Speaker 1: almost steer the baseball, something we always say hitters can't do. Well.

780
00:37:10,638 --> 00:37:13,118
Speaker 1: He made it look like he could at least. And

781
00:37:13,158 --> 00:37:17,478
Speaker 1: this was either his eighth or ninth trip back to Cooperstown.

782
00:37:17,598 --> 00:37:19,798
Speaker 1: I mean he'd gone there seven times as a player.

783
00:37:20,078 --> 00:37:23,038
Speaker 1: He would break a record, say George Sissler's hit record,

784
00:37:23,118 --> 00:37:26,078
Speaker 1: and he wanted to go to Cooperstown to learn more

785
00:37:26,278 --> 00:37:29,838
Speaker 1: about those players he was surpassing. And he really has

786
00:37:30,278 --> 00:37:33,758
Speaker 1: a fascination with the artifacts of the game too, almost

787
00:37:34,718 --> 00:37:38,238
Speaker 1: there's almost a sacredness to it to each hero. In fact,

788
00:37:38,358 --> 00:37:42,478
Speaker 1: he called Cooperstown a baseball sacred land. I love that

789
00:37:42,678 --> 00:37:46,398
Speaker 1: line in his speech. He once said, I don't like

790
00:37:46,518 --> 00:37:50,078
Speaker 1: to visit places. Out of anywhere in the world, besides

791
00:37:50,158 --> 00:37:55,158
Speaker 1: the places I've lived, Cooperstown is the place I've visited most.

792
00:37:55,918 --> 00:37:58,718
Speaker 2: How about that, Well, he knew, he knew, I mean,

793
00:37:58,758 --> 00:38:00,878
Speaker 2: that was his goal. Obviously. I don't know if he

794
00:38:00,998 --> 00:38:03,118
Speaker 2: actually said that at any point. Growing up, as hell

795
00:38:03,198 --> 00:38:03,878
Speaker 2: he running Joe.

796
00:38:03,998 --> 00:38:07,638
Speaker 1: Growing up, he didn't even know Cooperstown existed. He didn't

797
00:38:07,718 --> 00:38:12,078
Speaker 1: have any idea about MLB until he Dio Nomo came

798
00:38:12,158 --> 00:38:14,998
Speaker 1: over in nineteen ninety five, and then he started to

799
00:38:15,038 --> 00:38:18,998
Speaker 1: see everybody's carrying Nomo highlights and games, and he was

800
00:38:19,118 --> 00:38:22,358
Speaker 1: introduced visually to the game of Major League Baseball and

801
00:38:22,398 --> 00:38:24,438
Speaker 1: wanted to keep playing at the highest level. That became

802
00:38:24,478 --> 00:38:26,838
Speaker 1: a goal. And it was only once he got here

803
00:38:26,878 --> 00:38:28,798
Speaker 1: to the States in two thousand and one that he

804
00:38:28,798 --> 00:38:31,958
Speaker 1: heard about this place called Cooperstown and the Hall of Fame.

805
00:38:32,238 --> 00:38:34,958
Speaker 2: Well, you know, bully for him for doing all the

806
00:38:35,038 --> 00:38:38,078
Speaker 2: research and then eventually getting because I love the historian

807
00:38:38,118 --> 00:38:39,998
Speaker 2: part of it. I don't know that enough young players

808
00:38:39,998 --> 00:38:44,518
Speaker 2: today are historians of the game. It's more of a job,

809
00:38:44,558 --> 00:38:49,038
Speaker 2: an opportunity, whether it's for riches or accolades, whatever, but

810
00:38:49,198 --> 00:38:51,278
Speaker 2: the true historians of the game. When you run into

811
00:38:51,318 --> 00:38:53,598
Speaker 2: a kid like that, it's really refreshing, you know, because

812
00:38:53,598 --> 00:38:56,038
Speaker 2: we were just our generation and the previous ones grew

813
00:38:56,118 --> 00:38:57,998
Speaker 2: up on baseball cards and looking on the back of

814
00:38:58,038 --> 00:39:03,358
Speaker 2: them and how dramatically and important those numbers were. You know,

815
00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:05,678
Speaker 2: you in my mind's eye right now and you have

816
00:39:05,798 --> 00:39:08,358
Speaker 2: the same vision. Is that you turn the card over

817
00:39:08,438 --> 00:39:11,118
Speaker 2: from the guy's face and you look on the back

818
00:39:11,158 --> 00:39:14,198
Speaker 2: and everything was there. Man, how good he was and

819
00:39:14,478 --> 00:39:18,718
Speaker 2: he had the simple numbers really mattered. Been slugging percentages,

820
00:39:19,198 --> 00:39:22,118
Speaker 2: on base percentages, all that stuff. I want to know

821
00:39:22,118 --> 00:39:24,438
Speaker 2: what his batting average was, how many homers he hit,

822
00:39:25,278 --> 00:39:27,878
Speaker 2: you know, singles, doubles, etc. That was what you looked

823
00:39:27,918 --> 00:39:32,718
Speaker 2: at stolen bases. It's gotten become obviously a lot more sophisticated,

824
00:39:32,718 --> 00:39:35,358
Speaker 2: I guess. But all you needed to do is turn

825
00:39:35,398 --> 00:39:38,998
Speaker 2: that card over. Those beautiful baseball cars that came out

826
00:39:39,038 --> 00:39:41,918
Speaker 2: a package of ten, maybe five, with that really thin

827
00:39:41,958 --> 00:39:45,158
Speaker 2: strip of bubblegum. I could still smell it opening up

828
00:39:45,198 --> 00:39:47,398
Speaker 2: the cars, picking him up a third base lunchinet out

829
00:39:47,438 --> 00:39:51,278
Speaker 2: of the candy counter. God, there was very few things

830
00:39:51,318 --> 00:39:55,118
Speaker 2: that were better in life at that age in the world.

831
00:39:55,118 --> 00:39:58,478
Speaker 2: Because that it would love for kids today to be

832
00:39:58,518 --> 00:40:02,718
Speaker 2: able to elicit that kind of feeling, a visceral feeling

833
00:40:03,038 --> 00:40:08,358
Speaker 2: from just opening this plastic e celophony package of cars

834
00:40:08,358 --> 00:40:10,278
Speaker 2: with a piece of gum, and how exciting that was.

835
00:40:10,718 --> 00:40:13,238
Speaker 1: Well, it was a great afternoon at Cooperstown, New York

836
00:40:13,278 --> 00:40:17,758
Speaker 1: on Sunday, some bittersweetness to it because of Dave Parker

837
00:40:17,878 --> 00:40:20,198
Speaker 1: and Dick Allen passing away before they could make it

838
00:40:20,238 --> 00:40:24,598
Speaker 1: to this inductions ceremony. And also it acquired another layer

839
00:40:24,958 --> 00:40:28,078
Speaker 1: of really sadness when we found out about Ryan Samberg.

840
00:40:28,158 --> 00:40:30,598
Speaker 1: We'll take a quick break and talk about the Hall

841
00:40:30,638 --> 00:40:45,398
Speaker 1: of Famer, the late Hall of Famer, Ryan Samberg. Welcome

842
00:40:45,438 --> 00:40:48,078
Speaker 1: back to the Book of Joe. We received really bad

843
00:40:48,158 --> 00:40:51,038
Speaker 1: news early this week, Joe about Ryan Samberg. He was

844
00:40:51,078 --> 00:40:53,678
Speaker 1: not doing well. I think that sounded obvious at the

845
00:40:53,678 --> 00:40:56,958
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction day when there was a moment

846
00:40:57,158 --> 00:41:00,678
Speaker 1: of prayer for Ryan Samberg and his battle with metastatic

847
00:41:00,678 --> 00:41:05,398
Speaker 1: prostate cancer and he lost that battle. And it's interesting,

848
00:41:05,518 --> 00:41:07,198
Speaker 1: Joe that Samberg has thought it was a Hall of

849
00:41:07,238 --> 00:41:10,078
Speaker 1: Famer and as obviously as a Cub, just an incredible career.

850
00:41:10,518 --> 00:41:12,398
Speaker 1: But I look at Samberg, who was like he was

851
00:41:12,438 --> 00:41:16,398
Speaker 1: so instrumental in when the Cubs became like the Cubs

852
00:41:16,758 --> 00:41:19,958
Speaker 1: right those magic years in the mid eighties. There the

853
00:41:20,078 --> 00:41:22,798
Speaker 1: ninety six win team that came within a game of

854
00:41:22,838 --> 00:41:26,958
Speaker 1: going to the World Series. That's when Rigley really started

855
00:41:26,998 --> 00:41:29,598
Speaker 1: to fill And I know there were rounds in sixty eight,

856
00:41:29,678 --> 00:41:33,798
Speaker 1: sixty nine, but when the Cubs really became this national

857
00:41:33,918 --> 00:41:38,238
Speaker 1: brand and selling out games began with those years, and Samberg,

858
00:41:38,638 --> 00:41:41,598
Speaker 1: who just arrived on the scene to trade with Philadelphia,

859
00:41:42,038 --> 00:41:45,518
Speaker 1: just was this beautiful player to watch playing second base

860
00:41:45,598 --> 00:41:50,198
Speaker 1: with fabulous defense, a forty home run season, an MVP season.

861
00:41:50,878 --> 00:41:54,478
Speaker 1: He's such a big part of what the Cubs are today.

862
00:41:55,278 --> 00:41:57,878
Speaker 1: And Joe, in your years managing the Cubs, I'm sure

863
00:41:57,918 --> 00:42:01,278
Speaker 1: you must have come across Ryan Samberg, but you know

864
00:42:01,358 --> 00:42:04,518
Speaker 1: better than most what his impact is on the Cubs

865
00:42:04,558 --> 00:42:08,278
Speaker 1: franchise and all the people who grew up watching Samberg

866
00:42:08,798 --> 00:42:11,438
Speaker 1: who became really deep Cubs fans.

867
00:42:11,558 --> 00:42:13,238
Speaker 2: Get out of my golf course. He came to one

868
00:42:13,238 --> 00:42:15,358
Speaker 2: of my events here. He actually flew into town just

869
00:42:15,398 --> 00:42:17,758
Speaker 2: to play in our golf tournament one time, and it

870
00:42:17,878 --> 00:42:21,198
Speaker 2: was just a very big hit throughout. On top of

871
00:42:21,238 --> 00:42:23,558
Speaker 2: everything you just stated and it's all obviously true, the

872
00:42:23,638 --> 00:42:26,918
Speaker 2: one thing that on my conversation I got to know Rhino,

873
00:42:27,518 --> 00:42:32,158
Speaker 2: Ah sweet guy, just an absolute gentleman, very very supportive,

874
00:42:32,278 --> 00:42:36,118
Speaker 2: very positive, come to spring trainings. Dress Out loved the

875
00:42:36,158 --> 00:42:39,438
Speaker 2: banner between him and Sutcliffe. Sutt would go after him

876
00:42:39,438 --> 00:42:42,718
Speaker 2: and Rhino would just in his own little, mild mannered,

877
00:42:43,278 --> 00:42:47,278
Speaker 2: sarcastic response I loved every second of it. He was

878
00:42:47,318 --> 00:42:49,278
Speaker 2: he turned out to be, you know, developed as a

879
00:42:49,278 --> 00:42:52,238
Speaker 2: pretty good friend. You remember, after he was done playing,

880
00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:53,958
Speaker 2: he wanted to be a manager. Nobody wanted to give

881
00:42:53,998 --> 00:42:56,998
Speaker 2: him an opportunity. They weren't just handing out managerial jobs

882
00:42:57,038 --> 00:42:59,278
Speaker 2: to just because you had a resume at that time.

883
00:42:59,598 --> 00:43:01,838
Speaker 2: But what did Rhino do? He went back and manage

884
00:43:01,878 --> 00:43:04,158
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues? God did that impress.

885
00:43:04,278 --> 00:43:06,438
Speaker 1: I felt the same way you think about a guy

886
00:43:06,478 --> 00:43:10,038
Speaker 1: with a Hall of Fame baseball career going to the

887
00:43:10,198 --> 00:43:13,758
Speaker 1: minor leagues to prove himself. I'm with you on that.

888
00:43:13,798 --> 00:43:16,398
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. That was such to

889
00:43:16,478 --> 00:43:19,998
Speaker 1: me a defining portion of the personality and perseverance of

890
00:43:20,038 --> 00:43:21,438
Speaker 1: Ryan Zamberg, quite.

891
00:43:21,158 --> 00:43:24,158
Speaker 2: Frankly a major league manager. And I hope people take

892
00:43:24,198 --> 00:43:25,958
Speaker 2: this the right way. It's kind of insulting when they

893
00:43:25,998 --> 00:43:27,718
Speaker 2: just give these jobs to people that have never done

894
00:43:27,758 --> 00:43:29,798
Speaker 2: it before. It is I mean, it's almost like you're

895
00:43:29,798 --> 00:43:32,238
Speaker 2: actually saying almost anybody can do it because it's kind

896
00:43:32,238 --> 00:43:34,678
Speaker 2: of been reduced in a way. It's not so much

897
00:43:34,718 --> 00:43:37,278
Speaker 2: about your skill as understanding the game as much as

898
00:43:37,278 --> 00:43:39,838
Speaker 2: it is about your skill being able to talk to

899
00:43:39,878 --> 00:43:42,198
Speaker 2: the press of being a good face of the organization,

900
00:43:42,238 --> 00:43:44,878
Speaker 2: which is absolutely necessary to be part of the job.

901
00:43:44,998 --> 00:43:46,838
Speaker 2: When he went back, I talked him about it. I

902
00:43:46,918 --> 00:43:48,798
Speaker 2: told him, I said, straight up, I said, Rhino, I

903
00:43:48,838 --> 00:43:51,558
Speaker 2: am so. I can't tell how impressed I am with

904
00:43:51,638 --> 00:43:53,318
Speaker 2: the fact that you went that back to the minor

905
00:43:53,398 --> 00:43:56,198
Speaker 2: leagues to learn your craft some more, because listen, I'm

906
00:43:56,238 --> 00:43:58,238
Speaker 2: a dummy, and I know how long it took me

907
00:43:58,878 --> 00:44:02,358
Speaker 2: to understand what I eventually understood when I got an opportunity.

908
00:44:02,358 --> 00:44:03,878
Speaker 2: I got the opportunity in the night when I was

909
00:44:03,958 --> 00:44:06,478
Speaker 2: fifty fifty to fifty one, I think, and I thought

910
00:44:06,558 --> 00:44:08,718
Speaker 2: that was just about the right amount of time that

911
00:44:08,798 --> 00:44:11,318
Speaker 2: I needed to wait and incubate before I thought I

912
00:44:11,358 --> 00:44:14,278
Speaker 2: was actually ready to be a major league manager. I'd

913
00:44:14,278 --> 00:44:16,478
Speaker 2: been the interim manager several times with the Angels. I

914
00:44:16,478 --> 00:44:18,958
Speaker 2: think I managed I don't know, sixty some games or

915
00:44:19,038 --> 00:44:21,798
Speaker 2: seventy games, something like that is interim. During my time

916
00:44:21,838 --> 00:44:25,598
Speaker 2: with the Angels, I interviewed several times and was declined

917
00:44:25,598 --> 00:44:28,118
Speaker 2: whether it was the Red Sox, the Diamondbacks, and of

918
00:44:28,158 --> 00:44:30,678
Speaker 2: course the Angels too in Seattle Mariners. But when I

919
00:44:30,678 --> 00:44:33,038
Speaker 2: finally got the job with the Rays, I thought I

920
00:44:33,118 --> 00:44:36,478
Speaker 2: was ready to do so based on my years, you know,

921
00:44:36,678 --> 00:44:39,558
Speaker 2: riding the bus, beating the bushes just like a short

922
00:44:39,558 --> 00:44:42,278
Speaker 2: stop pass to do so. When he went back there, man,

923
00:44:42,318 --> 00:44:46,398
Speaker 2: I was so I was so enamored with it and

924
00:44:46,798 --> 00:44:48,958
Speaker 2: so respectful of it. And I had to tell him,

925
00:44:49,038 --> 00:44:50,878
Speaker 2: and I told him that, I told him exactly all this,

926
00:44:51,678 --> 00:44:54,558
Speaker 2: and so bully for him. I'm glad he got that opportunity.

927
00:44:55,398 --> 00:44:59,638
Speaker 2: Beyond his wonderful Major League career and the impact he

928
00:44:59,678 --> 00:45:02,638
Speaker 2: had on the Cup organization, You're absolutely correct, But beyond that,

929
00:45:03,078 --> 00:45:05,678
Speaker 2: the fact that this Hahull of Fame players, the sweet

930
00:45:05,758 --> 00:45:08,318
Speaker 2: guy would go back and do what he did in

931
00:45:08,358 --> 00:45:10,438
Speaker 2: an effort to become kind of a Hall of Fame

932
00:45:10,478 --> 00:45:13,478
Speaker 2: manager too. That to me speaks volumes about him, and

933
00:45:13,518 --> 00:45:15,398
Speaker 2: I respect him most of all for that.

934
00:45:15,598 --> 00:45:18,118
Speaker 1: I always love hearing the Hall of Fame's beaches, Joe,

935
00:45:18,158 --> 00:45:22,078
Speaker 1: because you really find out the essence of greatness. And

936
00:45:22,118 --> 00:45:26,318
Speaker 1: we usually define that as skill or statistics, but you

937
00:45:26,478 --> 00:45:30,358
Speaker 1: really do find out what's behind the stories of these guys.

938
00:45:30,558 --> 00:45:34,998
Speaker 1: And for instance, listening everybody's got coaches, the high school coaches,

939
00:45:35,118 --> 00:45:38,878
Speaker 1: minor league coaches, teachers at school, those are the ones

940
00:45:38,918 --> 00:45:40,998
Speaker 1: who paved the way, and it was just as an

941
00:45:40,998 --> 00:45:44,358
Speaker 1: example with CC Sabbathia, he had Carl Willis there. Carl

942
00:45:44,398 --> 00:45:47,278
Speaker 1: Willis was his first pitching coach, way back when when

943
00:45:47,318 --> 00:45:49,518
Speaker 1: he signed as a nineteen twenty year old kid in

944
00:45:49,518 --> 00:45:52,758
Speaker 1: the Cleveland system, and as Ceci himself said, I didn't

945
00:45:52,758 --> 00:45:55,038
Speaker 1: even know how to grip a four seam fastball. That's

946
00:45:55,038 --> 00:45:59,158
Speaker 1: where he was starting from. So everybody had not just

947
00:45:59,358 --> 00:46:02,478
Speaker 1: thanking people, but they had reasons why they had Hall

948
00:46:02,518 --> 00:46:06,678
Speaker 1: of Fame careers started well before the TV cameras were

949
00:46:06,678 --> 00:46:09,278
Speaker 1: on and the stadiums were full, and I always love

950
00:46:09,358 --> 00:46:13,158
Speaker 1: hearing that. So it was lessons that to me, Joe,

951
00:46:13,198 --> 00:46:16,118
Speaker 1: you can't hear enough about to hear the stories behind

952
00:46:16,158 --> 00:46:19,118
Speaker 1: the greatness. We talk a lot on this podcast, you

953
00:46:19,158 --> 00:46:23,518
Speaker 1: know about philosophy and what makes a person, you know,

954
00:46:23,598 --> 00:46:27,518
Speaker 1: truly respectful, reliable. So it's always been a favorite day

955
00:46:27,518 --> 00:46:29,478
Speaker 1: for me on the calendar just to listen to where

956
00:46:29,598 --> 00:46:32,318
Speaker 1: these players go. We think that we know them, but

957
00:46:32,438 --> 00:46:35,518
Speaker 1: what's in their heart, what truly made them great? They're

958
00:46:35,518 --> 00:46:38,238
Speaker 1: always unique stories and I always love hearing them.

959
00:46:38,638 --> 00:46:41,798
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Carl the truth Willis. Carl used to put my

960
00:46:41,998 --> 00:46:44,758
Speaker 2: picture on the underneath the bill of his hat, because

961
00:46:44,798 --> 00:46:46,798
Speaker 2: every time I came in Edmonton, he would pitch, well,

962
00:46:46,918 --> 00:46:49,398
Speaker 2: he's such a great guy. Yeah. We talked about in

963
00:46:49,398 --> 00:46:51,518
Speaker 2: the Book of Joe often, don't we about the mentors

964
00:46:51,518 --> 00:46:54,758
Speaker 2: the mentorships that we had, those that group of men

965
00:46:54,798 --> 00:46:57,118
Speaker 2: and women that when we when we look back upon

966
00:46:57,238 --> 00:47:01,158
Speaker 2: however we got wherever we're at, we're so influential on

967
00:47:01,198 --> 00:47:03,398
Speaker 2: our success. And for me it started with my pop

968
00:47:03,518 --> 00:47:05,598
Speaker 2: and my and then eventually, you know, in our book

969
00:47:05,598 --> 00:47:07,998
Speaker 2: we talk about coach Bob Root from Lafayette College, you

970
00:47:07,998 --> 00:47:12,038
Speaker 2: talk about Bob Clear from the California Angels and others.

971
00:47:12,078 --> 00:47:13,758
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, when you have

972
00:47:13,798 --> 00:47:15,998
Speaker 2: those real quiet moments and if you really want to

973
00:47:15,998 --> 00:47:18,478
Speaker 2: be introspective and think about, you know, how did I

974
00:47:18,518 --> 00:47:20,998
Speaker 2: get here, the same names keep popping up and the

975
00:47:20,998 --> 00:47:24,478
Speaker 2: influence that they've had on you is indelible, and you

976
00:47:24,918 --> 00:47:28,718
Speaker 2: feel like really fortunate that those people did cross your

977
00:47:28,758 --> 00:47:31,158
Speaker 2: paths and were willing to share what they did share

978
00:47:31,318 --> 00:47:33,358
Speaker 2: and in the way they did it. Bob Coach Bob

979
00:47:33,438 --> 00:47:37,718
Speaker 2: Route was a handholder, very positive guy. I always wanted

980
00:47:37,718 --> 00:47:40,318
Speaker 2: to gain his favorite I wanted to hear him say

981
00:47:40,558 --> 00:47:43,638
Speaker 2: good job because I knew if I did, if I

982
00:47:43,678 --> 00:47:46,398
Speaker 2: met with the acceptance of Coach Bob rut gosh, I

983
00:47:46,478 --> 00:47:48,758
Speaker 2: must have done something right. On the other side of us,

984
00:47:48,798 --> 00:47:51,358
Speaker 2: bob Aloo, same thing, but Bob Blu's approach you different.

985
00:47:51,358 --> 00:47:53,078
Speaker 2: Boblo would come out you a little bit harder man.

986
00:47:53,318 --> 00:47:55,238
Speaker 2: And if you didn't, if you did not want to

987
00:47:55,278 --> 00:47:58,078
Speaker 2: hear the answer, don't ask the question because you're you're

988
00:47:58,118 --> 00:48:01,638
Speaker 2: agatting it straight up, brother, And I want to believe

989
00:48:01,758 --> 00:48:03,718
Speaker 2: you know, there's a little bit I got a little

990
00:48:03,718 --> 00:48:07,038
Speaker 2: bit of both of those guys in me. Where bab

991
00:48:07,078 --> 00:48:09,558
Speaker 2: Aloo it was just so straightforward, He's gonna tell you

992
00:48:09,558 --> 00:48:11,918
Speaker 2: the truth. If I tell you the truth, you might

993
00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:13,438
Speaker 2: not like me for a week or ten days, but

994
00:48:13,438 --> 00:48:15,718
Speaker 2: at least you're not gonna hate me forever. And then

995
00:48:15,878 --> 00:48:18,278
Speaker 2: Coach Route was that guy that would tell you the

996
00:48:18,278 --> 00:48:21,158
Speaker 2: truth in a way that he didn't want to like,

997
00:48:21,278 --> 00:48:23,718
Speaker 2: pin you down or injure your confidence. He would say

998
00:48:23,718 --> 00:48:25,758
Speaker 2: it in a way that was he knew what you

999
00:48:25,798 --> 00:48:28,638
Speaker 2: could handle and which you couldn't handle. So all these guys,

1000
00:48:28,918 --> 00:48:31,958
Speaker 2: you know, school teachers, mister fran Libinatti from Hazelton, PA,

1001
00:48:32,358 --> 00:48:34,758
Speaker 2: who passed away a couple of years ago, the finest

1002
00:48:34,958 --> 00:48:37,998
Speaker 2: school teacher I've ever been associated with, and I would

1003
00:48:38,078 --> 00:48:40,038
Speaker 2: actually go visit him at home when I came home

1004
00:48:40,078 --> 00:48:42,198
Speaker 2: from wherever, I go down his house and his wife

1005
00:48:42,278 --> 00:48:44,278
Speaker 2: Jackie sit in the living room and we just discussed

1006
00:48:44,278 --> 00:48:48,078
Speaker 2: things because that's how that's how strongly he influenced my life.

1007
00:48:48,118 --> 00:48:51,118
Speaker 2: So we all have these mentors in our life, and

1008
00:48:51,118 --> 00:48:53,518
Speaker 2: they all come at us from different directions. We pull

1009
00:48:53,998 --> 00:48:57,878
Speaker 2: and peel away from them certain qualities or thoughts or methods,

1010
00:48:57,878 --> 00:49:00,078
Speaker 2: and so yeah, that would be kind of cool to

1011
00:49:00,078 --> 00:49:02,998
Speaker 2: hear that from these guys because we could all identify

1012
00:49:03,158 --> 00:49:04,678
Speaker 2: with those people that influenced our.

1013
00:49:04,518 --> 00:49:08,198
Speaker 1: Lives life lessons and words of wisdom. I lean on

1014
00:49:08,238 --> 00:49:11,798
Speaker 1: you every time to end our episodes, Joe with something

1015
00:49:11,798 --> 00:49:14,878
Speaker 1: along those lines. So this last bit of philosophy, I

1016
00:49:14,918 --> 00:49:16,638
Speaker 1: turned to you, What do you got to close out

1017
00:49:16,638 --> 00:49:18,038
Speaker 1: this episode of the Book of Joe.

1018
00:49:18,198 --> 00:49:20,118
Speaker 2: I have the word truth. The word truth is in

1019
00:49:20,158 --> 00:49:24,158
Speaker 2: this in this quote of the day, and my motivation

1020
00:49:24,238 --> 00:49:26,158
Speaker 2: because I'm always wanting to be transparent. It's like a

1021
00:49:26,198 --> 00:49:28,078
Speaker 2: lot of the things I read in the papers right now,

1022
00:49:28,558 --> 00:49:31,278
Speaker 2: where like in today's game, I mean the manager's role

1023
00:49:31,278 --> 00:49:33,558
Speaker 2: of the manager I'm just I'm guilty of it in

1024
00:49:33,598 --> 00:49:35,838
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. Where I said, do you praise

1025
00:49:35,878 --> 00:49:38,078
Speaker 2: publicly and criticize privately, but they also have to be

1026
00:49:38,118 --> 00:49:40,438
Speaker 2: pragmatic and honest in a certain way. And when you

1027
00:49:40,638 --> 00:49:44,038
Speaker 2: don't do that, I mean you can lose favor in

1028
00:49:44,358 --> 00:49:46,838
Speaker 2: a sense or credibility because of that. So that was

1029
00:49:46,838 --> 00:49:49,238
Speaker 2: part of my motivation. And then we're talking about, you

1030
00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:51,678
Speaker 2: know this truth tellers and how important it is to us.

1031
00:49:51,718 --> 00:49:54,278
Speaker 2: So I don't know this was exactly germane, but this

1032
00:49:54,398 --> 00:49:57,158
Speaker 2: is something that I really because of reading the newspapers

1033
00:49:57,358 --> 00:49:59,958
Speaker 2: and because of the first reason I gave this kind

1034
00:49:59,958 --> 00:50:02,478
Speaker 2: of steered me to this direction, which I love this quote.

1035
00:50:02,958 --> 00:50:04,838
Speaker 2: I can't remember the book that I read it in,

1036
00:50:05,038 --> 00:50:06,878
Speaker 2: but I had it. It's on the tip of my

1037
00:50:06,958 --> 00:50:10,878
Speaker 2: brain all the time because I think it's apropos And again,

1038
00:50:11,038 --> 00:50:13,518
Speaker 2: just call it down a little bit to try to

1039
00:50:13,598 --> 00:50:16,198
Speaker 2: understand where I'm coming from. But the leaders of the

1040
00:50:16,238 --> 00:50:19,678
Speaker 2: Soviet Union had a dangerous tendency to deny the truth

1041
00:50:19,678 --> 00:50:23,078
Speaker 2: of bad news, and so I love truth Tellers. Is

1042
00:50:23,078 --> 00:50:26,198
Speaker 2: literally what it comes down to. And when you conflate

1043
00:50:26,198 --> 00:50:28,518
Speaker 2: the truth and all of a sudden try to make

1044
00:50:28,558 --> 00:50:30,918
Speaker 2: it exactly talk when you've tried to distill it to

1045
00:50:30,998 --> 00:50:33,158
Speaker 2: the point where it works in your favor, and you

1046
00:50:33,198 --> 00:50:35,438
Speaker 2: try to convince others that it is accurate or true,

1047
00:50:35,478 --> 00:50:38,758
Speaker 2: even though it's not that bothers me. It obviously bothered

1048
00:50:38,758 --> 00:50:41,678
Speaker 2: me, and I recognize it very quickly. And it might have

1049
00:50:41,718 --> 00:50:43,998
Speaker 2: been a Clancy book. It could have been I'm not sure.

1050
00:50:44,518 --> 00:50:46,678
Speaker 2: It could have also been Eric Larson. I'm not sure.

1051
00:50:46,758 --> 00:50:49,398
Speaker 2: But the leaders of the Soviet Union had a dangerous

1052
00:50:49,438 --> 00:50:51,958
Speaker 2: tendency to deny the truth of bad news. And that's

1053
00:50:51,998 --> 00:50:54,718
Speaker 2: not a good thing. So truth tellers are very important

1054
00:50:54,718 --> 00:50:57,558
Speaker 2: in our society and to me. And if you want,

1055
00:50:57,638 --> 00:50:59,318
Speaker 2: you know, see the best side of me, and you

1056
00:50:59,358 --> 00:51:01,758
Speaker 2: want a friend forever, just tell me the truth.

1057
00:51:01,878 --> 00:51:03,158
Speaker 1: You're Jack Ryan's side.

1058
00:51:03,478 --> 00:51:06,638
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's it is exactly it don't after the

1059
00:51:06,718 --> 00:51:09,478
Speaker 2: game RV would walk in, Rick Vaughan, we'd have some

1060
00:51:09,558 --> 00:51:12,638
Speaker 2: situation would pop up, and this is how we're going

1061
00:51:12,678 --> 00:51:14,318
Speaker 2: to approach this, I said, r we were going Jack

1062
00:51:14,398 --> 00:51:16,678
Speaker 2: Ryan tonight not only was one of my one of

1063
00:51:16,678 --> 00:51:19,158
Speaker 2: my friends, he's one of my best friends. And when

1064
00:51:19,158 --> 00:51:21,838
Speaker 2: you when you run towards it, it disarms it very quickly.

1065
00:51:22,078 --> 00:51:24,238
Speaker 1: Great advice Joe, We'll see you next time on the

1066
00:51:24,238 --> 00:51:33,798
Speaker 1: Book of Joe, see your brother, thank you. The Book

1067
00:51:33,798 --> 00:51:37,238
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1068
00:51:37,278 --> 00:51:42,158
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00:51:42,198 --> 00:51:43,758
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