WEBVTT - Horrific School Shooting 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:21.360 Mr garbutsch Off teared down this wall. Either you're with 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.840 us or you were with the terrorists. If you've got 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.720 healthcare already, then you can keep your plan. If you're 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.120 satisfied with it is not President of the United States, 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.440 take it to a bank. Together, we will make America 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:42.240 great again. It's what you've been waiting for all day. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.160 The Buck Sexton Show too. In the conversation called Buck 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.080 toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck, that's 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.080 eight four four nine hundred to eight to five the 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.840 future of talk radio. Buck Sexton, Welcome to the Buck 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.800 Sexton Show. Everybody. We have news still breaking here as 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.760 we go on air. We're getting more and more information 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.200 as it comes through on the wires and various channels 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.800 and everyone who's covering it of a horrific school shooting 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:20.319 in Broward County in Florida. What we know so far 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:25.480 is that there is one suspect, he is in custody, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.520 fourteen victims, according to Fox News. CNN says at least 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:35.039 two dead, and some sources have been saying for a 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:41.800 while now that um that there were multiple fatality so 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.560 we might expect that there will be that that number 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:49.560 of two dead will grow in the hours ahead. It's 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.720 a tough a tough day, a tough night for the 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.120 whole country, and thoughts and prayers go to the families 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.960 of those affected. UM I want to walk through with 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.240 you what happened here. We'll try to find as much 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:07.520 as we can a sense of how this unfolded and 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.920 also what could have been done, if anything, about it. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.480 I don't take the approach that others do sometimes after 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.160 terrorist incidents or after mass shootings like this, and pretend 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.040 that there's an answer, that there's a solution that's just 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.480 waiting out there if only we had the political will. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.960 You can expect there will be a lot of grandstanding 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.480 from some pretty shameless politicians on the left about this. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.600 They will make this about gun control. There will be 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:46.760 slightly less partisan, but also some rather acrimonious discussions about 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.840 mental health and what could have been done there. Here's 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.480 what we know from this, from what's been reported so far, 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.800 and like I said, fourteen victims, two dead. There have 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.280 been reports of as many fifty injured, but we don't 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:03.960 know the extent of those injuries, and that is not 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:08.600 a not a confirmed number. So this was in Parkland 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.280 in in southern Florida, Broward County, north of Miami, and 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.359 you have a situation where a student, a former student 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.520 rather of the school, nineteen years old, and he has 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:27.200 been identified as Nicholas Cruise, he went on campus and 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.359 engaged in a mass shooting of students, some of whom 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.120 he might have known quite well. We don't know, but 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.240 he definitely was a student at the school. He was 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.400 known to some of the students. And now we're trying 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:44.000 to ascertain what the series of events were that that 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.240 occurred here. Now, I I'm going to play some audio 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.960 for you that is from the moments of the actual shooting. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.040 I will tell you right now that it is. It 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.560 is very disturbing stuff. When I heard it, I was 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.440 I was honestly wrestling with whether or not we should 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:02.720 even play it on the air. But I think if 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.240 we're gonna talk about this issue in detail, and we are, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.280 then we have to. I have I feel obligated to 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.920 present you with the fullest picture I can of what 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.719 happened here because we're also going to be discussing what 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.200 could be done, if anything, about it. And the more 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:24.080 we the more we know about how this heinous killer 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.760 went about his plot today, the more likely it is 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.840 at least that we can try to come up with 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.680 some means of preventing the next one. Although like I was, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.480 like I said at the at the beginning, very tough 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.640 to stop this, very difficult to do. But that doesn't 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.080 mean we shouldn't try to come up with new ways. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.360 And we are certainly going to remain vigilant and try. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.880 But this this is a warning for audio that I'm 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.240 we're about to play it. It is from a student 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:57.720 who is hiding under a desk at the high school 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:04.919 here in Parkland, UM Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School. And 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.120 this is so if you if I just want to 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.560 give you a warning about it. It is disturbing. And 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:27.000 here is the audio from the incident. So a lot 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:31.000 of a lot of gunfire, a lot of screaming students 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.320 trying to hide, students running for their lives. UM, it 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:41.000 was terrible and terrifying. Here is a student eye witness 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.480 to these events today on the third floor. He ran 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.680 to the staircase. But then everyone like kind of paused 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.760 and we all started running back. I was being like 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.080 pushing and pulled through the hallway and he ran into 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.280 the classroom. In the minute I got into my classroom, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.200 I heard gunshots, like multiple rounds from I'm not sure 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.280 what gun let me stayed in there for I don't 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.479 remember how long, really long time, and the police came 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.600 through the hallway to get us, and in the hallway 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.360 saw a big pile of blood like kind of smeared 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.320 as if they were dragged away. And I saw two 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.400 girls probably dead in the hallway, and then coming down 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.160 the stairs there was some more blood and outside of 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.920 the building there was another guy and I think it 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.839 was a teacher who was pretty sure was dead outside. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.440 And what did you see that You said that you 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.280 were inside and I was inside. Not just one gun shot, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.919 it was multiple. It really loud because it was right 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.560 outside my door. And like my teacher didn't let us 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.200 out even when the the firearm did go off, which 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.440 is lucky because then we could have really gotten hurt 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.880 one of our classmates. But I saw basically the same 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.800 thing as her. And there was just a lot of 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.919 blood everywhere, and there was bodies kind of just everywhere. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.200 It's gross. And he saw a lot of Yeah, there 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.520 was like I think there's four of them. So I 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.520 thought when you were getting out of there. Well, I 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.719 remember my fund crying behind me, and I kept trying 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.200 to tell her it's going to be okay, we're gonna 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.120 get out, and luckily we did get out, but it 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:08.800 was kind of scary and I didn't want to look 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.560 at anything. So yeah, that was my thoughts. When your 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.080 parents are here now, yes, okay, I'm just sure you're 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.120 gonna give them a big from here. Now, it is 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:23.120 believed that Nicholas Cruz, the alleged shooter, the alleged mass 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:28.600 murderer here, pulled the fire alarm himself. So he had 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:33.440 been previously banned from the campus from this high school, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.000 and he came back, pulled the fire alarm, and then 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.320 as students began to exit, and there was Now this 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.480 is where we have to coordinate with the reporting from 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.360 earlier than the day. But there were reports that they 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.720 had already had one fire drill or one drill of 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.440 some kind of I don't know. That might have been 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.720 misreported because they may have thought that this drill, that 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.240 this this drill that where he pulled the will will 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:02.080 will disentangle this throughout the show. We'll make sure we're 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.000 up to date on it, but it is believed that 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.360 Nicholas Cruise pulled the fire alarm and then when students 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.240 were filing out or or leaving their locations is when 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.120 he started shooting, which is a means of getting them 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.560 all out of the classrooms and perhaps making it easier 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.480 to create a mass casualty event. Some students did shelter 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.760 in place once the gunfire started. You heard that audio 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:29.960 of the scene as it was unfolding. We know that 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.840 this student had a background, that crews had a background 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:39.000 of mental illness, that he was a problem. He was 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:43.839 on the radar of of the school authorities as well 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.520 as I believe local police. There was discussion also of 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.360 his involvement in a forum where there was talk of 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.440 how to build a bomb, and that was one of 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.280 the reasons why the police were although I think this 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.719 was also this is also likely protocol on any mass 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.680 shooting event. But as they were going room a room, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.840 there were concerns. As they were trying to clear out 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.720 the building, there were concerns that there could have been 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.600 a bomb emplaced. We have nothing on motive yet, we 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.439 have nothing other than just the obvious right psychopathic killer 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.840 shooting a bunch of students that he likely knew, or 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.840 at least a school that he certainly knew. Um, we 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.000 don't have anything specific on the motive yet, we will 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.880 learn a lot more because of social media, because of 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.120 the online footprint that is left by by everybody now 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.520 these days, we'll have a sense as to what this 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.760 shooter's mentality was. Perhaps he may have even left a manifesto. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.880 All of that remains to be seen right now. We 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.400 first and foremost turn our thoughts to those affected by this. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.959 We try to grieve together as a nation. Um, this 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.280 should not be turned immediately into a political event, but 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.480 of course that's already happening, already calls for gun control. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.720 And then there's a discussion to be had here about 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:06.520 what any security failures occurred, what if any procedural responses 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.480 need to be changed, what what could be done? And 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.960 I come from the perspective of there's not always something 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.160 that could be done. Sometimes the bad guys just sometimes 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:19.959 they get through. Sometimes evil wins the day, and this 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.600 is one of those cases. So we will look at 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.760 this together. If you have any thoughts, by the way, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.440 if you have anything you'd like to share with the 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.840 rest of the team, I would very much like to 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.360 hear from any of you out there, any of you 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.920 with law enforcement background that want to weigh in. We're 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.000 gonna talk about the school, what we know about security 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.600 that was in place there, and and then get into 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.760 some of the discussion right now about so what now, 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.760 that's what that's what we turned to. What now? Eight 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:52.680 four four five eight four buck. We have a whole 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.880 lot more and uh, I'm thankful that you're with me. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:13.360 We'll be back. We've had approximately fourteen people transported to 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.520 area hospitals with varying degrees of injuries. They are all 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.440 multiple casualties, though there there are folks that have lost 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.040 their lives. I don't know their number right now. It's 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.400 a fluid scene. Right now, we have multiple swat teams 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.160 clearing all the buildings. If anybody knows anything about Stoman 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.640 Douglas High School, it's one of the biggest schools in 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.040 Broward County. It's huge. It's a huge campus. So we 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.480 have multiple, multiple squat teams clearing every building to make 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.600 sure that there are no other shooters. Um, we have 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:50.120 a shooter in custody. Uh. So there you have law 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.320 enforcement telling us some of the background of what happened today. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.959 We are awaiting a law enforcement news conference. We will 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.640 take some of that live for you here on the 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.600 show once it starts. Get the the updates on what 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.079 happened here. But some some key data that has added 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.720 into the discussion from that law enforcement officer. First, the 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.240 size of the school. This uh, this particular high school 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.679 um where the mass shooting occurred today. Marjorie Stoneman Douglas 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:23.400 High School has almost three thousand students and it has 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:27.720 multiple buildings, so it is a very large campus. It 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.080 is more the size of a college than a standard 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.520 high school. It is in fact larger than the college, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.120 almost double the size of the college that I went to. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.600 So it's a big campus. Now that matters because we 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.319 do know that Broward County, which is the sixth largest 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:50.400 school district in the country, has armed security officers who 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.440 are on site at high schools. So there was someone 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.000 who was armed. We believe this is based on what's 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.840 been reported so far, there was someone who was They're 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.280 on the on the scene. But the scene is very large, right, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.520 I mean, it's it's a place that you know, if 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.559 you're in the wrong building. You probably had no idea 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.760 initially that the shooting was going on, or maybe you 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.400 heard the fire alarm that was pulled and nothing else. Um, 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.960 But there was armed security. So what will come into 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.200 play here, I think is where was armed security when 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.240 the shooting started? Um? Was that person here or she 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:32.440 able to respond effectively? UM? What was I'll be very 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.319 interested to know what the immediate procedure was there. It 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.920 could have been multiple armed personal and campus by the way, 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.760 I don't know. UM. And when once we start talking 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.440 about prevention of these incidents, I mean, I'm always an advocate. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.520 For sure, it's good to have uniformed officer. It creates 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.800 a sense of security for the students. It's good for 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.680 also students to know, you know, there's somebody walking around 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.880 in authority with with with a weapon. UM. I'm I'm 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:03.520 a believer in sealed carry. Uh. In these circumstances that 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.200 you know, you want to have somebody who's armed and 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.040 visible on campus. And remember its campus of the size 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.360 remember a three thousand, three thousand young adults here, right, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.360 and and then you add faculty into it. I mean, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:21.080 this is a substantial, substantial physical facility. So that's why 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.960 having armed security, I mean, it's makes makes absolute sense. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.720 So then you'll get into Okay, well, how much armed 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.160 security was there. But I'm I'm a proponent if we're 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.680 going to talk about prevention, if we're gonna talk about 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.680 having a shot at stopping these kinds of things um 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.840 or or at least catching some of them in progress 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.960 and lessening the casualty count, I think concealed carry is 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.520 a very very important part of the discussion. You know, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.880 you don't want the bad guys to know, or in 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:56.160 this case, the bad guy to know who has or 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:00.160 may have a weapon. Now, this student had familiarity with 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.560 the school. He may have known exactly where and I'm 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.960 I'm surmising here, I don't know this, but he may 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.720 have known where that uh, that security officer, that armed 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.920 personnel on campus would have been at this time of day. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.600 Or he might have gone for the building that is 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.440 furthest away from that area of where we could have 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:25.400 expected a response. It also seems that the student, uh sorry, 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:30.200 the former student Cruise, the shooter may have engaged in 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.120 the shooting and then thrown down his weapon, thrown up 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.200 his hands. And because he was found and about a 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.880 mile away, is that I believe it was a mile 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.640 away from the school grounds roughly. He was not found 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.760 on school grounds. He was caught, Yeah, he was caught 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.080 in the police perimeter that they had set up that 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.920 at one point I think included a walmart and and 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:55.680 multiple facilities well beyond the school perimeter. So they created 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.200 a lockdown zone. And I have to say, if law 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.000 enforcement had not done that, it seems to me there's 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.080 a real possibility this this shooter may have been able 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.520 to walk and if they had just gone immediately to 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.600 the perimeter of the school. So we actually have here, 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:15.440 Can we go to the public safety from the bottom 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.400 of my heart for your efforts out here today, UM, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.760 the FBI and the browd Sheriff's Office will be doing 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.880 the crime scene investigation and the follow up to this horrific, 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.920 horrific incident. As I said before, this incident and truly 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:36.840 makes me sick to my stomach. It's it's us catastrophic 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:46.160 the they were set and to say that the seventeen 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:52.040 people lost their lives, uh, twelve people within the building, um, 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.120 two people just outside the building, one person out on 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.920 Pine Island Road, and two people lost their lives uh 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.800 in the hospital. There are people that are still undergoing 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:09.880 surgery and just Pray for this city, Pray for this school, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.280 the parents, the folks that lost their lives. It's a horrific, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:19.159 horrific day. Because I said before, my my triplets attend 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:24.160 graduated from Stone Douglas High School, and uh, it's just horrible, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:31.640 absolutely horrible, and uh we will we We continually ask 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.640 you in the media to continually put out the message 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.760 if you see something, say something. If anybody has any 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.080 indicator that someone's going through a behavioral change on their 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.359 social media, that they were disturbing photos perhaps bombs or 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:51.720 firearms or just you know, videos or pictures that are 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.520 are are just not right, that there's something, please make 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.880 sure law enforcement knows about it. We're already you could 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.840 follow us on Twitter. We're gonna put out numbers where 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.960 people can can possibly call and what have you. Sara 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.760 phili keating Fox News. Are all of the victims, all 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.520 of the wounded and fatalities students or is it a 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.800 mixture of students and teachers? And can you give anything 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.040 on motive? At this point we don't know because you 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:23.520 can given to report. Can you move about keeping area? 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:25.760 You can you go back there and do that? There 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.600 was really very conscript did you get back to whether 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.439 they're students teachers, a mixture of both. The mixture. I 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.879 don't know if there any teachers, but there will be. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:43.600 You know, there's certainly students and certainly adults. I believe 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.560 there will be once so our investigators are that's a 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.880 great question. Our investigators is certainly began in the dissecting 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.119 social media and looking at the website and the uh 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.280 Nicholas at the spellers named in I K O. L. A. S. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.399 Crews was the kill. Uh. He is in custody and 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.720 we've already began to began to dissect his websites and 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.919 the things that social media that he was on, and 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:10.600 some of the things have come to mind are very 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:19.239 very disturbed. Do you have wounds injuries? He's nineteen years old. Uh, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.040 he was born in September. He was a former student 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:27.199 of Douglas High School. Uh. He got expelled for disciplinary reasons. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.800 I don't know the specifics. I think he might have 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.880 surfaced at Taravella High School. Was still trying to confirm that. Uh. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.879 And this morning when he woke up, whether he was 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.840 a student or not, I don't know, because the number 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.919 when either had whether or not we heard that, and 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.439 we have to go and do a break here. We 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.760 come back. We'll continue with the Sheriff of Broward County 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.680 updating us. But you heard that chilling figure. Seventeen dead 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.280 in this Florida school shooting, more than were killed in Columbine. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:20:02.600 We'll be back in a few minutes. He's holding the 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:07.880 line for America, Buck Sexton his back. Well, Unfortunately, we're 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.720 seeing it was much more frequency. The number of school 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.600 shooting incidents just since the first of the year is 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:19.000 astonishing and so uh the new normal in some respects. 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:24.959 It's going to require a lot of new training in 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:29.640 terms of how to deal with this new training. That's 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.479 Police Commissioner Bratton, well known to us here in New 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.639 York City. New training. How um, I don't know what 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.000 training is going to do here. Really, there's already a 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.400 lot of active shooter training that goes on with law enforcement. 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:50.159 These schools have drills for evacuation shelter in place. This 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.840 former student nineteen years old was expelled. We've gotten more 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.160 confirmation Nicholas Cruz, the shooter void of saying alleged all 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.840 the time, that's a legal, you know thing. But the 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:06.520 shooter here, the mass murderer killed seventeen people. Likely that 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.680 number will rise because over fourteen were taken to hospitals 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.000 and they were shooting outside and shooting inside of the 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:19.800 school building or school buildings, and adults as well as 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.760 or teacher's faculty staff as well as students were killed 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.800 by the shooter. Looks like he pulled the firelarm to 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:32.200 get them to uh leave the high school classrooms, uh 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.840 not shelter in place, try to get people out into 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.600 the hallways where he would just turn it into a 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.560 shooting gallery. Many of you are familiar with your own 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.720 high school, laout, I'm sure it's the same here. Usually 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:46.199 you've got straight, long hallways, not a lot of not 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.520 a lot of cover and depending we don't we don't know. 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.439 I don't believe we've found out what the firearm was 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:54.920 that he used here. We don't know if it was 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.879 a long gun or a handgun. UM. Some of you 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.480 may be able to tell from the the on fire 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.320 in the audio, but UM, I don't have that. I 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.879 don't have that capability right now, So where I I 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:11.720 can't tell you that. So we don't know. Uh. Other shootings, 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.960 just by way of comparison, Columbine massacre, which really was 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.720 the first in many ways, I think the first, very 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.640 well known of these school shootings that got a whole 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:27.119 national conversation started on gun control, gun violence, the so 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:34.120 called trench coat mafia, these uh ne'er do well, evil, 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.800 you know, hateful students that just wanted to kill as 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.800 many people as possible. I think thirteen were killed in Columbines, 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.920 so seventeen were killed in this shooting. More more people 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.880 were killed by this one individual today than by the 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:52.000 individuals the shooters in the trench coat mafia, the so 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.440 called trench coat mafia, the Columbine massacre, and back in 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.920 the Virginia Tech shooter at the Virginia Tech campus killed 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:08.240 already three. So this is um a terrible day for Florida. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.320 I I wish well, we wish first and foremost this 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.119 would just never happen. It does seem words come to 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:19.920 mind like senseless and hateful and evil. Those are all accurate, 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.560 but they're not in any way. They don't fulfill our 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:28.720 need to feel like we get answers here, or we 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.439 have any sense of how to how to stop the 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.400 next one. It's are this is already being politicized. I'll 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.080 tell you what some of those arguments are. And look, 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.240 it's a public policy matter, so we will have to 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.320 deal with that too, But for now, it just feels 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.600 like it's it's very raw and I can't imagine what 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.800 the families of the seventeen killed or are going through 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:54.400 right now. And there's just there's nothing, you know, words 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.720 words fail me on this one. Folks. This is uh, 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.439 this is a tough day. I appreciate many of you 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.479 are calling in and I encourage you to do so 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.400 and just share, just share your thoughts. I mean, there's 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.400 let's all just get on the same page here. There's 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.440 there's no there's no answer, there's no there's no way 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.080 to bring these people back. There won't be any real 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:18.119 justice here. Sure, this shooter might get multiple life sentences, 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.600 maybe he even qualified for the death penalty, but that 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.679 won't bring any of the dead back today. That's not 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:28.520 going to save anyone. So, um, there's a hollowness to 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.119 these conversations that mimics very much what it feels like 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.480 after a mass casualty terrorist incident. Well, I do think 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.679 that in those cases there's more of a of a 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.119 of a policy discussion to be had. There's more action 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:46.000 that can be taken with this someone who just was 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.280 I've chosen the path of evil. I mean, there's social 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:54.399 media postings now that are out there that purportedly show 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:59.159 Nicholas Cruz the shooter. He's got a lot of He's 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.240 got a lot of nah wives in his hands, he's 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.639 got a lot of He's got photos I believe with 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.160 firearms too, though I haven't seen those, but I thinking 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:10.280 one he's kind of taking a wolverine like posture with 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.680 some folding knives in his hands. I mean, that's he's 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.879 clearly uh uh. You know, it's a messed up guy. 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.320 And he got expelled from his school and made threats 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:24.640 against students. But wasn't it enough to lock him up? 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.280 I'm guessing probably not. I'm guessing if you look at 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:31.120 his record, he'd say there's no actual criminal activity before 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.080 this where you could get any kind of meaningful sentence 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.760 against him. And I don't know, maybe he's maybe he 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.919 bought his firearms illegally. We we don't. We don't know 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.960 the full extent yet of the preparations um and whether 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:46.160 he could have been it could have gotten him. But 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.240 you know, I feel uh, and I was on the 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.560 I was on Fox before talking about this, and I'll 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.159 be on Fox again after I finished the radio show tonight, 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:56.840 and I know I'm gonna get the question, um, you know, 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:58.760 And this is where I try to look at it 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:02.160 from the prospect of the Intelligence Division of the NYPD, 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:06.720 which yes, worked on mostly terrorism, but just also any 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.439 any strategic threat to the city of New York, to 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:12.800 its inhabitants, and to its environs is something that would 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:17.840 fall under our purview. And we were in terms of prevention, 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.879 you know, using the tools that are disposal to stop 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.280 things before they happened as as much of the you know, 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.280 as much on the forefront as we as we could be. 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.080 And it's just very hard when you live in a 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.480 society where rule of law means you can't just lock 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.000 somebody up because you think they're you think they're nuts, 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:40.200 you think they're crazy. Um, that's not enough. Usually very 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.919 hard to get somebody committed to a psychiatric facility if 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.680 they have especially if they haven't committed any crimes, very 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.480 difficult to do. And in this and and and then 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.840 you also get into, uh, you want to talk about 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:58.200 maligning a group that you know is overwhelmingly non violent 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.600 and people with mental health issue is like a depending 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.119 on how you how you look at it, it's a 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.760 quarter or a third of the country have a clinical medical, 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.159 clinical medically diagnosable mental health issue of one kind or another. Right, 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.520 I mean this, you know, mental health is like is 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:17.119 like physical health. It spans a huge gamut, and so 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.520 to talk about it as though mental health issues, it's 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:24.080 it's insufficient. Not only are our solutions or proposed solutions 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:28.040 to this problem insufficient, our language for discussing it isn't enough, 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:30.760 and it just creates a frustration. A lot of the 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.680 things we talked about here on the show. I feel like, 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.880 you know, if if if we took if the government 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.080 took the or in some cases we as individuals a 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.760 citizens took the appropriate steps, we could make a real 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:46.520 difference and and make things better. I don't know what 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.440 that is here, and I wish I did. And it'll 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:53.040 be disheartening to see so many, especially people with large 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.600 platforms and followings and politicians and people who have a 0:27:55.640 --> 0:28:00.240 responsibility the public discourse to be better than this. It'll 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.439 be disheartening that they're gonna say that, Oh, you know, 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:06.119 anybody who doesn't immediately want some kind of a gun 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:10.919 band or you know that there a a coward and 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:12.959 they they're bought off by the n r A. I mean, 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:18.280 the the level of a vitriol and nastiness that is 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.600 displayed after all these events against people who have nothing 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.520 to do with the event. They're just not in favor 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.119 of policies that wouldn't that would not have prevented it, 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.040 and would infringe upon rights and freedoms. You know, that's 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.439 that's unfortunately become a part of the rhythm of all this. 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.720 So UM, I appreciate that all of you we got, 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.520 we got every line lit and I want to hear 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.320 from you, so thank you very much for that. And 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.560 as we take calls, just know that we'll be opening 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.280 up spots for you to call in eight four, four 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.240 to five. Let's let's take some of your thoughts on this. 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.360 Herb in New Jersey, Herb, thank you very much for 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:58.680 calling in good, good evening. Buck. Um, you know it's 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:03.880 it's uh tough circumstances, my friend, I know, yeah, but um, 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:08.920 you know, let's um let's take a concept from your 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:14.680 motto shields high. Um. You know, the shield doesn't work 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:19.680 unless it's held properly. And uh, I'm all for this 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:25.000 concept that um UM based on in Local Apprentice. The 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.440 same way you would want to protect your family, your 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:31.240 children at home, UM, you would, you would expect that 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.680 they would have the same protection when they're at school. 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:39.160 So why not take a select group of volunteers, administrators, UH, 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:44.000 support staff, and teachers, UH, screen them, train them in 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:48.480 the proper and effective use of firearms and other defensive techniques, 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:53.480 and turn them into a school based active shooter response team, 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.840 just like you do a q RT in the police. 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.640 Well you know her, but I well, one of the 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.000 one of the facts that comes to mind right away 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.200 about this particular shooting that's different from some other instances 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.280 is that they're there are as far as I understand it. 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.040 I'm sure we'll get more information. There are armed personnel 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:17.720 on the campus. So are there enough? You can have 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.760 two or three, but on a campus that big and 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.000 that far reaching, are they really enough? Well? That's that 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.680 was exactly the point. That's why I said, I don't 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.400 know the full square footage, but I mean, we've been 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.960 doing more research here to figure out what we're dealing 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:31.960 with them. When you're talking about multiple buildings and three 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.680 thousand students. I mean, you know, that's that's a huge 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.000 that's that's a that's like a college campus. That's a 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.560 college size campus. And so shooting, and assuming that this 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:45.440 occurred mostly in one building and then outside and on 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.880 the street, if you weren't in that building and nearby 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.480 at the time of the shooting, now you're just talking about, um, 0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.320 I think you'd have to agree her mitigating casualties, you're 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.440 certainly not able to stop all casualties. Well, of course, 0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.719 that's it's always gonna be the case. Look, the shooter 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.520 is always going to get the first shot off. I mean, 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.080 it's just the nature of the beast. Uh. The question 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.400 then becomes just how far do you allow it to continue? 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.600 And if there's no shields to stop it, then it's 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:19.080 going to continue un mercilessly until shields do arrive. Look, 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.200 I agree, I agree with you. I mean, and I 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:22.960 think that I think the shields that are hidden, if 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:26.800 we're gonna continue with the metaphor here, are oftentimes even 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.960 more effective because that just puts the shooter in a 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.080 very different you know, the bad guy here in a 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.000 very different mindset to not know you know, you know, 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:36.920 it's it's one thing. If the guy wearing the uniform 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.720 and walking around with a with a glock on his hip, 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.240 you know that if you you know that guy is 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:43.920 not around, well then you know you're probably the clear 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.280 because I'm assuming the school is a gun free zone, right, 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.000 But if you know Mr Mr Smith across the hallway 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.760 who teaches geometry actually has got a you know, a 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:55.720 three eight auto on them or something, I mean, you've 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.520 actually you've got something you can work with. Absolutely, And 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:04.480 if it's made very clear that this school is protected 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.280 by an active shooter response team, I think there would 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.840 be a lot fewer attempts made because shooters are by 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:17.680 definition towards Yeah, I look at that may. You know, 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.240 I want to talk solutions as much as possible, and 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.240 that's the only thing that I can think of that 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.360 would that would help in these situations. Herb that that's 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.920 a that's an actual policy that could be implemented, right, 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.160 an entire gun band and thank you for calling it 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.040 her from New Jersey. Um. And you know, and an 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.720 all out ban is just not it's just not feasible. 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.400 It's not gonna happen. Um, even if the government try. 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.160 First of all, the government tried to make it happen. 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.360 The CONSEQT with the ramifications of that alone would be frightening, 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.920 as I think everyone knows, um and short of an 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.800 all out band, you know, stopping. We don't even know 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:55.760 what this guy used yet, and there's people already who 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:56.920 are out there, and we're gonna you know that the 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:58.560 politics of this is what we'll talk about more in 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.000 the second hour of the show. I just want to 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.480 get on the details. And as I mentioned before, seventeen 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:08.200 dead in this Florida school shooting and dozens it appears 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.440 dozens wounded. We don't know the full number just yet. 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.400 UM at least fourteen taken two hospitals in the area. 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.440 Two died at the hospital, so we we could lose more. 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.280 We don't know. The shooter is in custody. The shooter 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.760 has been identified as Nicholas Cruz, nineteen years old, expelled 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:31.240 from the Douglas High School here down in Florida, in 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:36.280 Broward County, and you know, has a social media profile 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:41.120 of somebody who who is disturbed. That's that's clear, he's disturbed. 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.680 They knew this guy was bad news. What do you do? 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.920 Eight four to five, We're gonna continue our discussion of this. Folks, 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.160 thank you for being here with me. I'll be right back. 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:09.560 We're still covering breaking events here in the aftermath of 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:13.600 a shooting at a school, the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:21.000 School in Broward County in Florida. Seventeen killed, more wounded. UM, 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.719 the sheriff is now I'm now seeing Oh gosh, I'm 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.520 not saying this alert right now? Do you see this? Uh? 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:32.200 Suspect had an a R fifteen and multiple magazines. So 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.160 we have a process in place that gets initiated, so 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:41.239 there's calm, collected care that our patients received. Can you 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.600 tell us anything about the fatalities at least their ages? 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.880 Do they do you believe their students, possibly people that 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.600 were working at the school. We prefer not to comment 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.320 on our patients and respect for our patients. Should we 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.319 talk about just personally, I mean, seeing the sort of 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.520 thing knowing that they I mean just as human beings 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.839 outside to these doctors, you know, treating these people who 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.640 have come in here after experiencing what it's not the 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:10.360 worst event of their lives, and you know, having the 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:15.160 responsibility of treating these people and you know, ensuring the 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.680 best outcome that they can have. I mean, how does 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:22.040 that affect you all? Um, just as human needs. Well, 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.680 we will do this every day. So what we saw 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:29.880 today we have penetrating triala not penetrative troublem level to 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.759 trauma center and that's what we're doing every day. And 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:37.400 so fortunately for everybody, we were located very close to 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.320 the high school where this shooting happened. So unfortunately for everybody, 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.160 they brought the statis to our hospital and we were 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.960 able to do a great job to to do the 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.080 right thing. You um, the suspect was brought here. I 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.360 know you can't say much about some of the trauma 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.560 surgence of the jus there's a medical condition or whatever. 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:57.480 But for for a lot of people at home, you know, 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.439 they might be surprised that the suspect was being brought 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.560 he how do you guys kick in the epocratic oaths 0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.480 and do your job and knowing witness guy's intentionally is 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:08.799 accused of Every patient that comes in gets treated as 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.479 a patient and we take care of them medically, and 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.319 that's what we do. Was there any particular reason why 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.520 he was brought to this facility versus one of your 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:21.400 other facilities in the hospital system because of the occasionally 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.080 they have to go to the nearest probal facility and 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.480 we were the nearest Caber facility. Is this the biggest 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.719 mash of passion for you can remember Quota hospital? Yes, 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:34.400 and you're expecting worn victims. We cannot combient you can? 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.200 Can you tell us if it was a large caliber 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.440 small caliber? I mean if you elaborate on a cotton 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.400 l do you know the update on conditions for what 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:46.239 the other hospitals the patients are right now? But the 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:51.480 six pas we've got our stroll here whatever, uh you know, 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.640 are any And I'm still in surgery that decurgeries go 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.960 on after the inter we still have three patios and 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:02.160 the operatings over it all there in the industries under 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:07.000 some kind of surgery can describe what those assumes are, 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.000 I guess not as serious and being supports. Their demeanor 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:13.960 was like I mean, I know it's obvious to describe 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.560 it for us. Well, I mean, I prefer not to 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:22.480 comment on a specific patients demeanor, but you know, as 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:26.200 a human being, you could imagine um that they would 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:32.239 uh huh be being shocked or you know, be emotional 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:38.160 about the whole situation. You describe you think that coming 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.320 in partiament. I think they've asked the doctors all that. 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:46.160 I mean, yeah, I mean the press questions that are 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:49.080 not able to the doctors are not able to Can 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.799 you walk through what's the next for these patients, specifically 0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.839 the three and critical food stable in their in terms 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:59.120 of services iderstand chaplains are now here? Are you gotta 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.080 have successful argers, They're gonna re covery, They're gonna go home, 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.600 Thanks very much. Alright, So we had a press conference 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:14.160 there with some of the trauma experts at a nearby hospital, 0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:16.520 and as you heard one of the doctors say, lucky 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:22.160 that was so close to the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School. 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.719 Because you know, seconds count in in trauma situations like this, 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:32.319 We're gonna get into um, so we're gonna continue to 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.120 cover this coming up for the next hours and say 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:46.960 we're gonna get into more of this. He's back with 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.800 you now, because when it comes to the fight for truth, 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:54.479 the fuck never stops. There was set to say that 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:59.399 seventeen people lost their lives. Uh, the twelve people within 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:04.240 the building, yeah, uh, two people just outside the building, 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.160 one person out on Pine Island Road. And two people 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:12.000 lost their lives in the hospital. There are people that 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:17.760 are still undergoing surgery. And just pray for this city, 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:22.439 Pray for this school, the parents, the folks that lost 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:26.800 their lives. It's a horrific, horrific day. That's a sheriff 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:31.920 down in Broward County giving us a sense of just 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:36.440 what what happened today? What what this mass shooting with 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:41.520 the death count is so far, it is a UM, 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:46.680 it's a tough day for the country, really bad day 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.439 for the state of Florida, and a tragic and life 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.680 altering one for the families of those families of those 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:57.280 killed and the families of the wounded as well. UM. 0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.760 Just to give you a sense of where this stands 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:07.120 in terms of US school shootings. In the Columbine shooting, 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.880 thirteen were killed. I believe that includes the two the 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:16.920 two shooters in that number, although I'm not sure. Today 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:23.040 in Florida, in Parkland, you have seventeen dead so far, 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.319 and you had eighteen killed back in nineteen sixty six 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:31.600 at the University of Texas. Twenty seven were killed at 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:37.759 the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. In twenty twelve, and 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.000 in two thousand and seven, in Virginia Tech, you had 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:47.080 thirty thirty two killed. Columbine was thirteen. Thank you, a 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:49.960 producer might just made sure that my stats were correct. 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:56.000 Column was thirteen not including the shooters. Thirty uh two 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.160 students one teacher. Twelve students, one teacher is what we 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:04.880 have in in Columbine. Yeah, so the deadliest ever was 0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.600 Virginia Tech in two thousand and seven. So far, um, 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.440 this is this is a tough day for the country, 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:19.040 and unfortunately it's already very much being politicized, which this 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.600 follows an all too familiar script. We understand what happens now, 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:31.440 you will have some sense of universal sympathy and outpouring 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.759 of support from the American people for those in the 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.319 in the Browered community and Brower County community, and and 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.600 then for the folks who were directly affected by this. 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.920 But then this will turn into a political fight and 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.120 and it just and it gets into a really nasty 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.279 one too, because on the one side of it you 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:54.360 tend to have individuals who seem to believe that those 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.880 on the other side don't really want to address the 0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:00.000 problem or don't want to make this go away. There 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:06.760 no such thing as a as a constituency that exists 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.520 this country that does not want to end school shootings, 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:12.799 and we are all on the same page when it 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.320 comes to that. It's just a question of what's feasible 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.040 to do in response, and also what the costs would 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.719 be and whether it would be effective. So can we 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.520 do it, should we do it? What's the cost of 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:27.960 doing it? Those are the questions when you want to 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.319 look at trying to address something like this was very, 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:36.160 very difficult to do. You had Senator Chris Murphy of 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:44.480 Connecticut who was pushing for gun control immediately after, I 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.040 mean with with within within hours. I mean it was 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:51.440 right away. It might have even sooner than that, within minutes, 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:55.480 excuse me, within minutes of the shooting, senator from Connecticut's 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:59.319 pushing gun control. Turn on your television right now. You're 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:04.839 gonna see scenes of children running for their lives. This 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:09.360 happens nowhere else other than the United States of America, 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:16.040 this epidemic of mass slaughter. We are responsible for a 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:21.279 level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:27.280 zero parallel anywhere else. Uh, it's wrong that this doesn't 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:31.040 happen anywhere else. It actually has happened, and including in 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:36.359 very developed, in otherwise safe European countries. There have been 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.640 mass school shootings. There was a very well known school 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.120 shooting in Scottland. This is just off the top of 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.960 my head. I'm not I haven't even pulled the research 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.040 on this yet. We had there was one in Scotland. 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:47.520 There was one in Germany. I think even I was 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.880 thinking was a preschool um. There was the Anders Brave 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.520 Vick shooting in Norway that was at a camp but 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:59.719 just mass slaughter of young people at a camp um. 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.960 So this does happen elsewhere. Now that that, I just 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.680 don't know why. If we're gonna have a discussion about it, 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.480 and you're a United States senator, you're supposed to know 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.000 what you're talking about. I don't know why they have 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:13.000 to make stuff up. I don't know why it's okay 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:17.560 to fabricate things as part of this discussion. But they'll 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.640 say it is that they will get past the facts 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:25.000 right away. They're in They're in a post fact debate 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:30.160 pattern here that they're emotionalizing the moment, using this as 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:35.160 a means of trying to advance a an agenda of 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.479 of gun control. Look, if I really believe that any 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.280 of the measures that are talked about after these school 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:46.719 shootings would would reliably and realistically stop school shootings. I 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:49.320 would be very open minded to it, if not outright 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:53.319 in favor of it, I just know it won't and 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:57.920 the facts, the statistics, and logic all back up my position. 0:44:57.960 --> 0:44:59.760 And on the other side of it, this has become, 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:04.000 unfortunately a debate that really doesn't have all that much 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:08.479 to do with guns. And this is why you see 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:13.000 the nastiness that the progressive left in this country. The 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:18.279 Democrat Party opposes guns as on the one side, a 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.560 massive exercise in virtue signaling they're the good people who 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:26.600 don't who don't want any more violence to continue. And 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:30.839 also their opposition to guns and the Second Amendment as 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:33.880 a general proposition is really opposition to the kinds of 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:39.160 people who are legal, lawful, law abiding gun owners. They 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:43.279 have a disdain for those in this country who are 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:49.480 believers and supporters of and those who actually practice there 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:54.040 right to bear arms, engage in their right to bear arms. 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:58.960 So it's opposition to guns in the political context is 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.799 really opposition to gun owners. And that's why you have 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.600 idiot celebrities who will tweet things after an incident like this, 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.759 and I saw this one today. You know, the n 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:09.959 r A is a terrorist organization. The Interay has nothing 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:13.440 to do with this, and it's reckless and irresponsible to 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.600 say that they to to even bring it up in 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:20.960 the context of a shooting like this. Um, there are 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:24.840 some other gun control options that I'm sure they'll be 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.000 putting out there. Oh, they'll talk about background checks. I 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.360 need the background checks will certainly come up as well. 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:36.000 We all to say enough is enough. Uh. The question is, 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.840 once you get into the investigation, how did the shooter 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:45.480 obtain the weapon? Was it a high caliber weapon? Was 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:50.239 it obtained lawfully? And if so, that ought to have 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:55.360 people to start thinking about such things as background checks 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:59.359 on the purchase sub a gun and the question of 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.359 an assault rifle if in fact this is I don't 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:10.200 know those details. So there's a Senator Nelson of Florida 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.879 and he is saying things like is it a high 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:17.880 caliber weapon? I don't even know what he what he 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.439 thinks he's saying there, really, I guess, I mean, maybe 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.560 he's referring to whether it was a rifle versus a pistol. 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.960 But as you all know, because this is an audience 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:33.480 that is very familiar with firearms and and and weaponry. 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:38.319 Thirty eight will kill you the same way that you know, uh, 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.200 two to three will kill you, the same way that 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:41.840 a seven six two will kill you the same I 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:45.479 mean this is this is not really a relevant means 0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.920 of trying to address the problem, but they'll bring it up. 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:52.920 They'll talk about it nonetheless. The notion of a background check. Okay, 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:55.520 so this nineteen year old who was expelled from school, 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.080 I don't know if he bought his gun legally or not. 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:00.960 I don't know if he stole his gun. So we 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.279 can't really address that question here. But we already do 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.040 have background checks in this country. There's a national Instant 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:11.960 background check system NICKS. It's called the NIX system is 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:14.920 in place. People will say it's not perfect, but it 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.360 works most of the time, and we have background checks, 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:21.040 so they want to do more background checks. It doesn't 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.920 appear to me to be the case that would do anything. 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:27.760 It's worth noting that in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.960 that shooter stole his gun from a family member, so 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:35.520 the background check there didn't really have any particular meeting 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:39.200 because it wasn't the gun wasn't bought, purchased, or owned 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:43.799 by the person who might have failed the background check. 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:50.520 So that's there. Yeah, I mean this. I'm waiting for 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.920 them to come up with something that is applicable here 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.239 that actually might have done something. Um, you had Jake 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.680 Tapper at CNN offering this up. You know, I'm old 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:06.040 enough to remember when images of twelve and fourteen year 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:09.040 olds walking out of schools with their arms in the 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.640 air because there's an active shooter situation didn't happen and 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.560 show up on my TV every week or two. What 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:19.359 do you say to the parents out there who are 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.239 frustrated and who say, Senator Nelson, we thank you for 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.040 your thoughts and prayers, but we actually need more than 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.640 thoughts and prayers. This is a crisis in this country, 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:34.480 crisis to be dealt with. How crisis that we can 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:40.759 respond to in what way? Um, that's what needs to 0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:42.839 be answered here. We all understand it's a crisis. Well 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.200 understand it's terrible, it's tragic. I will be updating you 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.600 with the latest here right after this break. We we 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:53.200 know now that the sheriff has Ah has confirmed that 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.200 it was the shooter had an a R fifteen and 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:59.800 multiple magazines, and that's what was used in the shooting. 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.759 And we know that. Let's now well, well we'll look 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.279 at what else we can put together here. I'm very 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.880 curious to hear your thoughts. I welcome your thoughts. A 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:11.960 better way to put it on what happened today. I 0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:14.279 don't have the answer. I don't know anybody who does, 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:16.440 but it's certainly something we have to talk about and 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.560 think about and reflect on. Eight four four nine hundred 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:22.520 two eight to five eight four four nine hundred buck. 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:28.759 We will be back right after this break. We had 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:33.800 countless magazines, are multiple magazines, and at this point we 0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.640 believe we had one a R fifteen rifle. I don't 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.400 know if he had a second Leacond. Right, So you 0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:41.080 have the sheriff saying he had a lot of magazines 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:44.600 in our fifteen Air fifteen rifle on him. You can 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.000 you can bet that this will soon become a discussion 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:51.480 about a national assault rifle ban. Um, that's going to 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.440 I think that's going to be where the the press 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.319 takes this. I'm seeing on seeing lots of pictures of 0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:58.960 the Air fifteen is you know, Air fifteen is a 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:03.520 very popular rifle. Millions of them are owned across the country. UM, 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.720 and now they're listing all the places where it was used. 0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.719 Park Land today, the Southern Springs, Texas shooting, the Las 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:13.040 Vegas shooting, the Pulse Nightclub shooting, San Bernardino, Sandy Hook, 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:16.480 and Aurora, Colorado all used the a R fifteen. They 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.759 are building a case right now in real time for 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.960 an assault weapons ban. I know a lot of you 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:24.680 would probably call in or email me and tell me 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.000 an assault weapon is a made up term, I know, 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:31.000 but legally they have actually instituted assault weapons bands in 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:33.680 certain states as well as at the federal level previously, 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.960 and they describe it as and they go through the 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:39.680 characteristics as you know, of what it is. Some of 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:44.000 them are cosmetic, but it is now a legally describable category, 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:48.000 even if it's not really a firearm category. UM. But 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:51.160 that's where we are. Shane and bel Air, Ohio. Shane 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:55.080 is a school teacher. Hey, Shane, Hey, how's it going back? 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.520 It's all right, Mann, thank you for calling. Yeah, I 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:02.080 just wanted to weigh in on uh. I know. One 0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:04.160 of the issues that we deal with in Bellaire, Ohio 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:07.920 is a fact of funding for resource officers that are 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:12.839 able to be in the buildings and the response time 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:14.520 of our local police to be able to get to 0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:16.879 the schools. You know, one of the things I don't 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.920 know that you're ever going to completely stop the nut 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.840 jobs out there that are coming across and you know, 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:27.279 trying to take out soft targets. But the best thing 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:30.360 we can do is try to eliminate the response, you know, 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:34.120 minimize the response time. And I know that several of 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:38.399 the districts in southeastern Ohio have actually started arming their 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:42.680 teachers and even posting out in the front about their 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:46.480 teachers are armed, don't come into our school. What do 0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:48.319 you as a as as a teacher yourself, what do 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:51.600 you think about that? Do you think teacher should be armed? Well, 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.000 it's I think that there are a hand I don't 0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:58.160 think that every teacher is, you know, capable of handling 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:02.320 a firearm, but I think that there's a select few individuals, 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:05.080 you know, that are out there that are willing to 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:07.480 take on that task to protect the students. I mean, 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:09.600 that's that's my job as a teacher, to try to 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.719 protect my students as best I can. Walking ourselves in 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:16.480 a room isn't exactly cutting it, you know, we're just 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.360 we're sitting ducks there, you know, to be able to 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.480 take a stance, to be able to defend our students 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:30.120 and eliminate the again, minimize the response time. Yeah, you know, 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.520 I aggreciate. I want to ask you though about because 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:34.800 you would I assume this is something you'd be somewhat 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.560 familiar with if you have a student who is I'm 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:39.440 just wondering what the procedures are. I'm sure they very 0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:41.279 state to state. But if you have a student that 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.480 you think is really disturbed, you know, I mean, you 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:47.000 have a student that you think is you know, torturing 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:49.600 animals on the weekends and do it, you know, and 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:53.200 and posting videos that are are really making you think 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:56.840 he's violent, has violent attempt, but hasn't broken the law. Right, Well, 0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:58.719 I mean, obviously torturing animals, we're breaking law. But you 0:53:58.760 --> 0:53:59.920 know what I mean, I mean, you've got somebody who, 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:02.239 as you think, is sick in the head and and 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:05.040 as a and as a danger, but hasn't yet actually 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:08.879 broken the law. As a teacher, what are your obligations 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:12.040 and what are your resources? What could you actually do well? 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:15.279 In our school district, we have, uh, several different things 0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:19.560 in place to be able to attend to that situation. One, 0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:23.279 we have a student Services that if we start to 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:26.680 recognize those things. I'm a mandated reporter in the state 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:28.839 of behind Us. So anything that I noticed in in 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.040 that type of situation, I have to report to my 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:35.759 superiors and also to you know, if it's a in 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.360 a result of a child protective situation, I have to 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:43.000 call the CPS and notify them. In the case that 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:46.759 you're describing, you know, obviously I would bring my concerns 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:50.439 to student services and see if the counselor down there 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:55.640 would be able to work through that. And obviously we 0:54:55.640 --> 0:55:00.360 would be discussing that in our building leadership teams talking 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:02.560 about you know, we need to keep an eye on 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.520 this kid, he's been acting this way, and you know, 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:09.000 identify those kids so that you know, we can keep 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:12.239 an eye on those types of things. So there's there's 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:15.960 reporting procedures in place, but you know what, what do 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:17.640 they do with it. Let let's say a high school 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:22.480 aged kid that everyone thinks is is a risk, but 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:25.480 can't be incarcerated because he hasn't broken the law. I'm 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.839 just one. I mean, it sounds to me like your 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:31.239 report they can know, but not much that they mean, 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:32.719 they can kick him out of the school. They kicked 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.920 this guy today who's the shooter, out of the school. 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.960 But then where does he go? Yeah, and that's a 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:42.480 very good situation. The exact thing actually has made national 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.239 news in our our little town of Belair. Uh a 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:51.239 gentleman by the name of Nathan Brooks back in I 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:54.680 believe you know, all the teachers saw warning signs. They 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.360 reported it. The kid was just off his rocker, and 0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:01.520 he ended up going home and the potating one of 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:05.200 his parents and stabbing the other one multiple times. And 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:09.160 he's got a lifelong sentence. You know, what do you do? 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:11.320 You know, teachers knew that it was going to happen, 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.399 you know, and he was he was going to take 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.640 out several more students, but ended up turning himself in. 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.759 What do you do is in that situation, you know, 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.040 our hands are kind of tied. But Shane, can I 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:25.160 just ask you to teacher? I mean, you know, I 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:26.920 don't know if you've ever been around this yourself, but 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.239 you feel like you know, you know when you know 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:31.600 when a kid's a threat. I mean, you have a 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:35.799 pretty good sense of it. Yeah, there's there's definitely you know, 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:38.640 just things you know, if you pay attention to your 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:42.440 you know your surroundings and the people around you. You know, 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.400 just even when you go to a restaurant, you just 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.160 kind of know where to sit and who's acting funny. 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.879 As a teacher, you know that second nature you pick 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:54.600 up on those types of things, and that's you're burying 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.840 your head in the sand. You'd have to be an 0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.000 idiot not to. Yeah, I mean I figured that. I 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:00.600 figured you have a good sense of who's you know, 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:02.560 who may be a problem, who's not um And look, 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:03.759 I'm sure most of the kids you deal with the 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:07.680 really nice kids, but you know, I'm obviously there's there 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:10.080 are rare they're they're there are rare exceptions here and there, 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:12.440 and you know, I'm sure you're attuned to that. Shane, 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.480 thank you for calling in and sharing a an educator's 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:18.200 point of view on this. I really appreciate it. Shields High. Uh, 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:22.640 we got more calls in on this one, and we'll 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:25.040 be taking them. So they're gonna go for the Uh, 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:27.480 they're gonna go for a RS. I think that's that's 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:29.560 what's gonna happen. Next. We're gonna say there needs to 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:32.520 be a ban on sale of new air fifteens. Maybe 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.800 they're gonna push for all the Florida is pretty pretty 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.880 strong on gun rights. They may try something there, but 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.080 I don't think they'll get very far on a magazine 0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:44.600 limitation or something. But this, it's gonna be the same 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:51.240 exact playbook, the same storyline, the same political fight that 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:55.240 we saw after Newtown and some of these other incidents. Uh, 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.040 and we'll see um. I think that this is the 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.240 first time also that Trump has really had to way 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:04.520 in while he's the president. While he's uh as in 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.280 the United States, weigh in on whether or not there's 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:10.680 gonna be anything that comes from a legislative side here. Um. 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:12.160 And by the way, in the third hour, we're gonna 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:13.880 switch up topics because it's only so long. I think 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:16.040 I can handle this before it's just too much. We'll 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:44.880 be back other shows. Just talk at you in the 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:48.200 Freedom Mud. We have a mission. We fight for the 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:51.600 truth in a team effort and buck us back with 0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:56.000 our next play. Thanks for staying with me, everyone. We 0:58:56.080 --> 0:59:00.000 are bringing you breaking news here on this school shoot 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:04.439 footing in Florida, and we have seventeen dead thus far 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:08.640 as expected. The number will likely climb higher than that, 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:10.800 given that there were over fourteen people taking to the 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:15.800 hospital somewhere dead on arrival at the scene when police 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.080 arrived at the scene, so we are waiting to see 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:23.000 if that casualty account goes higher. We know one shooter 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:27.280 identified as a Nicholas Cruise, nineteen years old former student, 0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.360 and looks like he started shooting outside the building, came 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:37.040 into building, pulled the fire alarm, and then turned to 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:41.080 turn the hallway of one of these buildings at the 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:47.080 Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida into a kill zone. 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.880 And there were armed security personnel at the school, though 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:54.680 not clear how many or how close they were to 0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:57.880 the initial incident, and they then created a perimeter and 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:01.320 the shooter was captured off school ground, so he almost 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:05.520 got away. So we'll be looking more at the response 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:08.960 with this. But I wanted to note that there are 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:13.040 already stories that are coming out from eyewitnesses, people who 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.800 were there during this horrific event. I there are stories 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:19.000 of of heroism as well. I mean, it certainly is 1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:21.400 reassuring to have all of our law enforcement personnel on 1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:25.720 the scene and doing everything they can to tend to 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:29.200 the people there, and also first responders, and you even 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:32.280 heard from some of the surgeons who were trying to 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.720 save lives of the wounded. But there were some there 1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:39.360 were some heroics as well during this incident, including uh 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:43.600 Is believed by a teacher. Here's the first person account 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:46.600 of how one teacher responded during the shooting. We all 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:50.040 got upstairs and into our classrooms, and when he tried 1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.280 to unlock the door, me and a couple other people 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:56.720 ran in, and as he was closing the door, he 1:00:57.000 --> 1:01:01.080 was actually shot and killed right there. And the door 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:04.919 was left open the whole time, so as he walked by, 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:07.200 the door was open. He could have walked in at 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:09.400 any time, and we just had to be as quiet 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:12.360 as possible. So he he ran back to open the 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:16.560 classroom for you guys so you could be safe. Apparently, 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.680 So when we ran in, yeah, he was about to 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:21.760 close the door to the door after they had gotten 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:23.840 back in. He was trying to lock the door to 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:25.840 keep the students safe. And before he had a chance 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:27.880 to close and lock the door, that's when he got shot. 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:32.479 So a teacher was killed trying to lock the doors 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:38.920 so the students inside would be safe. Oh man, So heroism, 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:42.720 but heroism that ended in the you know, the life 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:45.120 of the hero lost in the circumstances. Look, it's it's 1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:47.600 a it's a very it's a very tough day for 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:51.880 the country. There's no there's no words that we can 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:53.720 say here that will that will change any of that. 1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:57.040 And we're just giving you the details as they come 1:01:57.080 --> 1:02:03.040 out a R fifteen multiple Maggazines. Political debate is already 1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:06.080 it's already begun. I mean, I almost hesitate to tell 1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:07.959 you what's what some of the stuff that's being said 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:11.840 on on social media right now, just because it's always 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:15.840 a bit of a shock how how hateful people can be. 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:19.600 After something like this happens, you would think that there's 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:24.720 a normal, decent human impulse to just toned down the 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:30.720 nasty rhetoric and the name calling and all that stuff. 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:34.000 But now you get a lot of a lot of people, 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:37.920 including those with big platforms and and large followings, who 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:40.000 will be saying that this is the fault of those 1:02:40.000 --> 1:02:41.720 who support the Second Amendment, this is the fault of 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:43.880 gun owners, this is you know, any number of things, 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:46.880 and that's that's not constructive at all, as we know, 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:51.360 it's it's reckless and it's irresponsible. And yeah, by the 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.480 way the gunman was we have more information of the 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:59.600 gun was wearing a gas mask and may have had 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:03.480 smoke bombs on him as well. So it seems now 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:06.200 we have a gunman wearing a gas mask with an 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:10.160 a R fifteen, multiple magazines, and they believe he may 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:14.600 have been carrying smoke bombs too. I would note that 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:18.000 the footage of the shooter when we saw him being 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:23.680 taken into custody, the footage showed him without any It 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:25.680 didn't seem to get any tactical gear anything on him. 1:03:25.720 --> 1:03:28.720 So he may and this is just my analysis, this 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:30.720 is not confirmed. It seems to me that he may 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:35.840 have shed his gear and tried to uh and tried 1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:39.200 to escape on foot without the stuff, or maybe he 1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:43.680 was shot and in exchange with law enforcement and then they, 1:03:43.840 --> 1:03:46.040 you know, he dropped his rifle. Then I don't know, 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:49.880 but it didn't seem like he was in the photos. 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:52.640 It didn't seem like he had anything like a flak 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:56.240 vest or a tactical vest on. Certainly didn't see any 1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:58.280 smoke grenades attached to him. Looked like he was just 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:02.120 wearing a T shirt. Uh. We had this nineteen year 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.920 old Nicholas Cruz, who's in he's in custod he's alive. 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:11.400 And here we are. We have had eighteen school shooting 1:04:11.480 --> 1:04:12.960 so far this year. That's a number you're gonna be 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:18.720 hearing a lot. Eighteen school shootings and about a hundred 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:22.000 a hundred and fourteen, is that right, Mike? From starting? 1:04:22.000 --> 1:04:27.880 A hundred fourteen school shootings total since Sandy Hook in twelve, well, 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:32.080 one forty two I'm sorry, one forty two, hundred forty 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:38.360 two shootings since Sandy Hook, So you're averaging. Let's see 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:43.200 here you've got since twelve, so six years, and in 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:47.080 six years you've had a hundred forty two school shootings. 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:52.240 So you know you're you're looking at a little over 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:56.920 twenty over twenty year between twenty and thirty a year, 1:04:57.000 --> 1:05:00.280 let's say, let's call it. And you've had eight team 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:04.280 so far this year. So this has been a particularly 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:08.120 bad year so far for school shootings, and we may 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:10.480 have to get into a national discussion about whether there's 1:05:10.520 --> 1:05:13.360 a just this is a copycat effect at work, that 1:05:14.200 --> 1:05:20.600 the disaffected, the the angry, the evil, those who for 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:24.640 whatever reason, have it's even tough to get in the 1:05:24.680 --> 1:05:27.720 psychology of this and how how someone could ever be 1:05:28.080 --> 1:05:36.520 so so angry, so hateful, so vengeful, so completely lacking 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:40.400 in any consideration or or a thought for his fellow 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:42.480 human beings going to a school and just start shooting 1:05:42.560 --> 1:05:46.600 much innocent people. It really defies imagination. It's hard to 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:50.800 think of how somebody gets to that point, and yet 1:05:50.840 --> 1:05:59.000 it is something that happens with some ah some frequency. Now, um, anyway, 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:00.840 I wonder if you have any thoughts on this, folks. 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:02.280 I know we've had a lot of calls coming in 1:06:02.280 --> 1:06:05.120 and out throughout the show. Do you think that there's 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:07.640 a I think there's an Do you think something has changed? 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:11.320 Has this gotten worse? Is this just our perception of 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.880 it is because of the reporting of it, or are 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:17.360 we in the midst of a a school shooting wave 1:06:17.600 --> 1:06:22.240 that has gone from being a very unfortunate fact of 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:25.600 of life in this country to being an epidemic. Is 1:06:25.640 --> 1:06:29.680 there a sense of additional urgency because of the scale 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:33.400 of the emergency here and and the speed with which 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:36.360 these incidents are happening. I don't have answers to those questions, 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:38.760 and I'm wondering if you have thoughts on it or 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:41.520 just anything that you want to share with with everybody 1:06:41.560 --> 1:06:43.720 listening about you know, what do we do now? What 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:46.320 are we? What are we to make of this? Eight 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:49.120 four four n eight to five on the lines eight 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:51.600 four four nine bucks. I am going to tell you 1:06:51.680 --> 1:06:55.000 right now, I can't really, you know, it just becomes 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:58.440 emotionally and psychologically taxing to delve into this for the 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:01.000 full three hours, and the next hour we're gonna change out. 1:07:01.000 --> 1:07:03.200 We've got some guests joining, We're gonna change up topics. 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:05.600 If I have important breaking news, I will share it 1:07:05.640 --> 1:07:09.000 with you, but we will we'll move on to some 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:11.439 other things in the third hour of the show. I 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:14.760 just I don't think it's helpful or useful for us 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:18.240 to go beyond the analysis that we have already. We've 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:21.040 already been engaging in here for the third hour um 1:07:21.400 --> 1:07:23.840 and again lines lines are open. We'll be right back. 1:07:34.000 --> 1:07:37.760 So no updates yet on any more casualties from this 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:41.560 mass shooting in Parkland floor to the school shooting. Shooters 1:07:41.600 --> 1:07:47.440 and custody identified as Nicholas Cruz and wore a gas mask, 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:52.080 had an a R fifteen. Multiple magazines pulled the alarm 1:07:52.120 --> 1:07:53.960 as he entered the building. He entered shooting, he had 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:57.760 already shot people outside and then shot as many as 1:07:57.760 --> 1:08:01.240 he could inside. I'm wondering, you know, we we don't 1:08:01.320 --> 1:08:05.960 yet know, um, what exactly circumstances were of his capture 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:08.120 because he's in the hospital. What do we know if 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:11.520 he was shot? Was he We don't he was not shot, right, 1:08:11.880 --> 1:08:14.880 We don't know. I mean, if he was taking the hospital, 1:08:15.240 --> 1:08:20.439 I mean he oh, it's it's just yeah, it's well, 1:08:21.320 --> 1:08:22.800 So we don't know. He might have just been taken 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:24.880 because he's being taken to the hospital to see but 1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:26.639 they also may have been taken because he was shot. 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:29.000 But see, if he was just taken there, he didn't 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:33.160 seem like he was from the video, like he was 1:08:33.200 --> 1:08:35.640 bleeding out or anything. So that strikes me as I 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:37.080 think he shed all of his gear and thought he 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:38.719 was going to get away with the rest of the students, 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:41.320 and then they finally some of the students knew who 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:43.840 he was, and they they gave a description and they 1:08:43.880 --> 1:08:46.960 finally got him. I mean, the cops got him. Um, 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:49.120 but I want to know how the apprehension happened. We 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:52.479 have really very little information right now about how they 1:08:52.479 --> 1:08:57.920 actually apprehended the the mass shooter here and oh, gosh, 1:08:57.920 --> 1:08:59.680 all these this is one of these things. This is 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:03.479 the It's terrible just thinking about the casualties, the families, 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:05.280 what these kids went through. We have audio of the 1:09:05.320 --> 1:09:09.040 actual shooting, kids screaming um. But then you also have 1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:12.160 all these you know, young people afterwards who are just 1:09:13.760 --> 1:09:15.760 a lot of them are are literally in shock, and 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:17.519 they are in a state of shock. And then they 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:23.800 come together and start sharing stories and people will be 1:09:23.840 --> 1:09:27.360 telling what their first hand experiences were of their shooting, 1:09:27.400 --> 1:09:29.880 and you'll hear it and you'll see it. And I 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:32.799 know there were kids who were in closets, tweet hiding 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:36.320 in closets and hiding under desks, who are sending messages 1:09:36.360 --> 1:09:42.559 to their parents during the shooting. It's it's just terrifying. 1:09:42.600 --> 1:09:44.880 I don't know. I mean, I don't you know, I 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:51.320 can't imagine. Um. Here we are not a lot of 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:54.960 not a lot of solutions, folks, not a lot of 1:09:55.439 --> 1:09:58.920 takeaways from this that would be I think that would 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:01.280 be helpful or realistic in terms of stopping the next one. 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:05.960 But let's see what you all think. Felix in Pennsylvania, Felix, 1:10:05.960 --> 1:10:07.479 always good to talk to you, my friend. What do 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:11.080 you think? All right? Buck. You know, I'm fifty eight 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:13.679 years old, okay, And as I reached back with my memory, 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:17.400 I just do not recall there being these mass shootings 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:21.320 years ago. Prior to column bind whenever you had shootings, 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:24.439 people usually had specific people that they were angry at. 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:26.719 There's a period where there was a post office shootings, 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:31.559 and yeah, there was the expression of very I mean 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:34.360 very you know, flippant and not pretty move when people 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:36.599 say you're going postal right, meaning that you were head 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:39.320 gone nuts. Yeah, but you know, they usually went in 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:41.760 and they had one, two or three people that they 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:44.479 were angry at, you know, and they didn't just go 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:49.160 in there and shoot everybody. Uh. These mass shootings to me, 1:10:49.280 --> 1:10:51.559 for some reason, it just seems like it's been since 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:54.680 I would say column buying or something like that. Otherwise, 1:10:54.760 --> 1:10:58.160 prior was rarely did you have the situation. There was 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:00.599 that one in Texas like in the nineties sixties where 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:02.640 the guy was in the tower. Yeah, I mentioned I 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:06.599 mentioned that one. Yeah, University of Texas six. Yeah, and 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:09.080 there was really I think no reason for that one. 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:12.960 But aside from that, generally speaking, shootings, you know, during 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:15.759 that period of time, they were just angry people that 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:19.400 were angry at somebody, you know, and and what after 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:23.120 a specific target. This just makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah, 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:28.920 it seems like in these mass shooting situations. Oh my gosh, 1:11:29.280 --> 1:11:33.200 is that what I'm sorry, Felix, I'm okay. Well, uh 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:36.080 my gosh. I thought I just saw a video flashing 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:38.280 up on the screen when we were on air, and 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:40.920 I saw somebody enter a room. Uh you know this 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:42.880 is on TV. You saw somebody enter a room and 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:45.720 it was footage from inside the school within within a 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:47.880 R and just for a second that, oh my god, 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:50.160 but it's actually you can kind of it was law enforcement, 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:51.960 thank god, entering the room to make sure the kids 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:54.679 are okay. For a second there we had cell phone 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:58.160 video of somebody entering a classroom with the a R. 1:11:58.240 --> 1:12:00.000 I mean, you could basically tell from away the guy 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:02.120 walked in that his law enforcement. Then he gets closer 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:05.000 you can see anyway. Sorry, I just had a I 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:06.760 just had a moment there where I was I was 1:12:06.800 --> 1:12:08.479 watching this in real time around the phone with me, 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:14.479 you know. I the numbers when when they talk about 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:17.519 shootings in the United States versus other countries, you've got 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.040 to take into account how large the United States actually 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:23.400 isn't how big it's population is. I'm sure dwarfs West 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:25.679 you know, all the countries of Western Europe put together, 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:28.599 you know, so that's pretty noncesical when they make those 1:12:28.640 --> 1:12:31.160 kind of comparisons. Yeah, well you have to certainly account 1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:33.519 for population. One of the problems when you look at 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:36.479 what the with the New York Times when they've I've 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:40.160 seen some New York Times compilations of of mass shootings 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:44.040 and looking at the data and that they won't take 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:47.160 population into effect, and they'll say things like, well, you know, 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:51.960 we don't have uh, this doesn't exist elsewhere. And look, 1:12:52.000 --> 1:12:53.920 we have never had a mass shooting on the scale 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:56.519 of the Beslan school masker for example, which I know 1:12:56.560 --> 1:12:58.360 it was a terrorist attack, but it was at a school. 1:12:58.840 --> 1:13:01.160 And when you when you look at islands in schools 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:03.320 around the world, First of all, there have been student 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:07.439 on student shootings elsewhere, and there have also been horrific 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:10.839 acts of violence specifically targeting schools and school aged children. 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.720 So it's not unique to us. And when politicians say 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:16.519 that it's not true. But I will say that there's 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:18.960 a from from what I'm seeing on the statistics here, 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:21.639 there is a surge in school shootings this year, which 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:25.240 I I can't I can't come up with even a 1:13:25.320 --> 1:13:28.680 working thesis right now for why that is other than 1:13:29.760 --> 1:13:32.720 there's a copy cat effect now with social media. I 1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:38.599 think that these these vile, malcontents, uh see this as 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:41.080 a as a means of you know, they'll kind of 1:13:41.360 --> 1:13:44.000 achieve some level of fame and they'll be able to 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:46.880 you know, this this guy obviously he's not dead. He 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:50.519 didn't go down shooting in this one. Um, but Felix, 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:53.040 I don't know. I don't have a I don't have 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.160 a good read on why things have gotten worse with 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:59.519 mass shootings in recent months, you know. And also too, 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:02.160 it's just this guy wasn't even supposed to be there. 1:14:02.160 --> 1:14:05.439 He was expelled from school. Uh. These things just they 1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:07.360 make no sense, you know. And like when people talk 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:10.400 about possibly you know, teachers that can be trained and 1:14:10.439 --> 1:14:12.599 you know, want to be armed, they should be back 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:15.000 when I grew up, I mean, you know, there were 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:17.320 you were allowed to have guns on school property. This 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:19.519 is another new thing, you know, and you're leaving people 1:14:19.560 --> 1:14:23.559 completely defenseless. Yeah, this is a gun free zone. Yeah. 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:25.759 And you know another these are all happening and quote 1:14:25.760 --> 1:14:28.559 gun free zones. Felix, thanks for calling her from Pennsylvania. Man. 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:30.960 Always good to have you on board. Uh, this is 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:33.439 a gun free zone, and it's clearly not a gun 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:36.120 free zone for the bad guys, as we've discussed many 1:14:36.120 --> 1:14:39.479 times before. Um, it's just a gun free zone for 1:14:39.520 --> 1:14:42.040 anybody who might want to either go hunting after school 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:47.920 or defend themselves in school. Ah. And it's not it's 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:49.360 not enough. I mean when you when you look at 1:14:49.360 --> 1:14:52.639 the real logistics of the of the actual assault here, 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:55.559 this guy has a has a semi automatic rifle. This 1:14:55.560 --> 1:14:57.840 guy Nicholas Cruz, and he's just going and he's just 1:14:57.880 --> 1:15:00.360 going from mash mass casually he's gonna shoot his people 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:07.080 as possible. You you're looking at casualty mitigation in these cases. 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:11.160 Even even if you had had every single teacher in 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:14.960 this school armed, I don't think that you would have 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:17.960 been able to stop this guy from killing anyone. Really, 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:22.080 I'm just being realistic here, but you may have had 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:24.479 instead of the seven team dead that we've see now, 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:27.960 you know, you may have had three or four. And 1:15:28.000 --> 1:15:29.680 obviously that would mean that there are a whole lot 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:32.920 more people that would be going home tonight to their families, 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:36.840 um than currently are. So you know, you're looking at 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:42.519 casualty mitigation, not elimination. So, uh, because I don't know 1:15:42.560 --> 1:15:45.040 what you're I don't know how you're gonna stop, you know, 1:15:45.200 --> 1:15:47.559 unless this guy was going to decide to take on 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:50.800 armed security himself first and foremost right to try to 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:54.280 take out security personnel to leave the school even more defenseless. 1:15:54.840 --> 1:15:57.080 And I hate saying this, but there's a part of 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:58.920 me that also thinks this guy is an a R 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:03.080 multiple magazines. It's got a school of three thousand students. 1:16:04.360 --> 1:16:07.599 We're you know that it could have been it could 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:09.920 have been worse as terrible as this was. I mean, 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:11.559 and it has been worse than the sense that there 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:16.160 have been school shootings with higher casualty accounts, So that 1:16:16.160 --> 1:16:19.519 that is that is uh just a factive history at 1:16:19.520 --> 1:16:23.320 this point, folks. I'm just it's very troubling. I'm I'm 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:27.000 I feel um, I feel like analysis of the situation 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:31.479 right now it's just insufficient. It's uh, not not enough answers. 1:16:31.520 --> 1:16:33.960 I'm gonna be doing a lot of research and looking 1:16:34.000 --> 1:16:35.800 into everything I can tonight to try to figure out 1:16:35.800 --> 1:16:39.000 if there's if there I like to talk about solutions. 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:40.599 I like to talk about making how we can make 1:16:40.600 --> 1:16:44.519 things better, how we can at least lower, if not eliminate, 1:16:44.560 --> 1:16:47.439 the risk of these kinds of incidents. And right now 1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:50.840 I just feel a sense of sadness and frustration, and 1:16:51.160 --> 1:16:53.960 that's that's what I'm kind of overwhelmed by that Right now, 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:57.320 I'm going to take a break from this though. We're 1:16:57.320 --> 1:16:59.200 gonna get into some other topics kind of the third hour. 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:00.920 I hope you're okay with that. We're gonna move on 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:03.439 to just some other news the day and things on 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:05.280 my mind because I think we all need that. We'll 1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:21.200 be back. He's holding the line for America. Buck Sexton 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:25.800 his back. Welcome to our three of the buck Sexton Show. 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:29.360 I told you we would move on from the topic 1:17:29.439 --> 1:17:32.200 of We've spent a couple of hours that already talking 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:36.839 about the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, at the Douglas 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:41.040 High School. There seventeen killed. We will um, We're gonna 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:44.080 get into some other topics this hour. An update from 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:49.400 our friend Annie McCarthy on the situation of the dossier 1:17:49.640 --> 1:17:52.840 and the Democrat memo and all that Russia stuff. Also 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:55.639 got Adam Crado joining from the Free Beacon to talk 1:17:55.760 --> 1:18:00.639 about um well Iran positioning a whole lot of missiles 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:04.479 in Syria pointed at Israel, as well as a story 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:10.839 that may lead to Al Jazeera that anti American network 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:14.320 paid for by the government of Cutter might have the 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:16.719 Registers of Foreign Agent tell you about that, and also 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:19.400 some weird spying operation that they had going on in 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:23.360 this country al Jazeera did. And then we'll get into 1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:26.800 some just of your your thoughts here on on roll call. 1:18:26.960 --> 1:18:31.880 Just an update I had said, based on my but 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:35.840 based on what I'd seen from the arrest videos of 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:40.320 Nicholas Cruz, that it seemed to me that he likely 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:43.320 had ditched his gear and had tried to get away 1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:46.960 as a as a student, trying to pose as just 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:49.960 another student fleeing the terror. And I saw that that 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:52.720 has been there are sources now confirming that to reporters 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:55.519 that that was in fact the case, that he he 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:57.680 ditched his gun and his gear, whatever he had on him, 1:18:57.720 --> 1:18:59.840 his gap, he had a gas mask, they believe he 1:18:59.880 --> 1:19:02.920 had smoke grenades. He got rid of all that went 1:19:02.960 --> 1:19:05.200 down to a T shirt and you know, probably jeans 1:19:05.280 --> 1:19:08.439 or whatever, and trying to just escape, like the right 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:12.160 propose as a fleeing student. And because other students I 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:14.519 assume knew who he was, knew who the shooter was, 1:19:15.120 --> 1:19:20.040 law enforcement was able to um get him before he 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:22.080 could get outside the cord. The cord and they had 1:19:22.080 --> 1:19:24.679 set up and so that's how he got him. Also 1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:26.680 means this guy really thought this thing through, and I 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:28.679 was he was trying to get away. He was trying 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:33.000 to get away. Um anyway, So if you wouldn't mind, folks, 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:35.040 I'm gonna switch gears here for a second, just because 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:37.920 I I kind of have to. Um. If there's anything 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:40.360 else that breaks I promised this hour, any other important 1:19:40.520 --> 1:19:43.479 news about this, this terrible event, I will bring at 1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:48.400 your attention. Okay, you know, mind immigration, it's talk about 1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:52.160 immigration for a few minutes. Let's uh move to something 1:19:52.200 --> 1:19:56.439 else here. So you have the Senate in the in 1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:58.439 the midst of trying to get a deal. Here, here's 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:00.439 my short version of where I think all this is going. 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:03.720 It's not going anywhere. It's not going to be an 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:10.639 immigration deal because the Democrats only want a full scale 1:20:10.640 --> 1:20:15.000 and total amnesty. They they have no interest and anything 1:20:15.040 --> 1:20:19.680 that could prevent that. That's where changes to change. Migration 1:20:19.800 --> 1:20:25.080 changes to interior enforcement. Changes to any existing either enforcement 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:29.800 priorities or immigration structural immigration issues are just gonna be 1:20:29.800 --> 1:20:34.200 completely unacceptable to the Democrat Party. They're gonna say no way, 1:20:34.280 --> 1:20:39.240 because they want eleven million legalized that are currently illegal. 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:44.000 M Paul Ryan is trying to sound hopeful on this issue. 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:46.760 Here's what Here's what he had to say. We have 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:50.120 a problem that needs solving. We want to solve doctor, 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:51.960 but we also want to solve DOCA in a comprehensive 1:20:51.960 --> 1:20:53.800 way such that we don't have a doctor problem in 1:20:53.800 --> 1:20:56.439 five years. The President did a very good job of 1:20:56.520 --> 1:21:00.080 putting a very sincere offer on the table, and that 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:02.439 sincere offer that he put on the table should be 1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:04.760 the framework through which we we come together to find 1:21:04.800 --> 1:21:07.400 a solution. We want to find a solution. Our hope 1:21:07.479 --> 1:21:10.320 that our Democratic colleagues are more interested in finding a 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:15.679 solution than preserving an issue for campaigns. I don't think 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:20.080 that that's going to be the case. I do not 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:26.720 think that we will have UM Democrats trying to seriously 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:31.240 find a way two uh. I do not think the 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:33.680 Democrats will have in any way, shape or form a 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:37.880 serious deal that comes out of this UM. They don't 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:40.120 want to deal. They don't want to deal. And Tom 1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:42.640 Cotton chimed into the Senator Cotton to let everyone know 1:21:42.680 --> 1:21:45.880 that Trump is this is as good as they're going 1:21:45.920 --> 1:21:47.559 to get for the I mean, on the Democrat side 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:49.360 of it, in terms of an offer from the Republicans. 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:53.519 This is it, folks. The President's Framework Bill is not 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:56.679 an opening bit for negotiations. It's a best and final offer. 1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:59.240 It's going to encourage more illegal immigration. We know that. 1:21:59.360 --> 1:22:01.400 So we have to cure our southern border. Ire bill 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:03.519 provides the money and the legal thority and do so. 1:22:04.040 --> 1:22:07.120 And it would create a whole new pool of legal 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:10.800 immigrants who could legalize their families to include the parents 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:13.280 who created the problem in the first place. That's why 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:16.440 we have to end the practice of extended family chain migration. 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:19.840 That's right, you gotta en change migration. See, that's a 1:22:19.920 --> 1:22:23.840 long term immigration issue. Yah, there's a lot. That's because 1:22:23.880 --> 1:22:26.920 that's immigration policy. That's not even that's not about illegal 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:30.479 that's about legal immigration. That is shifting the framework of 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:33.120 who we bring into this country and who gets to stay, 1:22:33.240 --> 1:22:37.200 and what the grounds are for permanent residency and even 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:40.920 citizenship in this country. And Democrats don't want to change 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:44.320 that at all. They have a system that works for 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:49.040 them right now, which is illegals get to stay. Illegals 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:54.040 are increasingly important political constituencies in New York, in Chicago, 1:22:54.200 --> 1:22:58.960 in Los Angeles, UM, they are really they really determined 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:01.200 politics in those plays is because you can't go against 1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:03.120 the legal community or you will no longer be an 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:06.599 elected official. And then on the immigrant on the legal 1:23:06.640 --> 1:23:14.280 immigration side of the equation, you have h a large 1:23:14.479 --> 1:23:18.240 proportion of people who come into the country from poor, 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:22.720 developing countries and they bring family members with them, and 1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:26.719 it just creates constituencies of voters for the Democrat Party 1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:30.280 that are going to be multigenerational and stretching far into 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:33.440 the future and have a tremendous impact. Right the Democrat 1:23:33.520 --> 1:23:37.320 Party is dedicated and it's a decades long project to 1:23:37.520 --> 1:23:42.200 the demographic change of this country in favor of state 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:45.800 is um and the ideological left. That's the plan, that's 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:48.680 the goal. So when I think Trump's opening offer here 1:23:48.720 --> 1:23:50.679 shows as much as originally I was a little concerned 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:53.280 because I thought it was too too favorable to the 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:55.599 other side based on his promises are in the campaign. 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:58.000 What this shows is that that is in fact the 1:23:58.040 --> 1:24:01.920 Democrat plan because they won't move on this. There won't 1:24:01.960 --> 1:24:05.640 be any part of this that is in fact acceptable 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:07.840 to them. They will walk away, they'll use it as 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:10.040 a mid term issue, and they will continue on as is. 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:13.439 That's my prediction on this. There will be no deal 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:18.559 on immigration, despite Republicans being fair minded and operating in 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:21.400 good faith on it. All right, we're gonna have Annie 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:23.360 McCarthy joining us here in just a moment. You're gonna 1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:25.280 want to hear what he has to say about surveillance 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:29.040 and PISA abuse. And if there are any additions, any 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.559 breaking news on the school shooting, I promise we'll bring 1:24:31.600 --> 1:24:43.840 that to you as well. Stay with me, alright, everyone, So, 1:24:44.040 --> 1:24:47.840 there's still a whole lot of unanswered questions as we know, 1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:50.360 and it's gonna be that's gonna be true, I think 1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:52.599 for months, if not years to come about what's going 1:24:52.640 --> 1:24:56.840 on with the whole Russia collusion narrative, the FISA abuse allegations, 1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:00.640 all of that. And we have some some new developments 1:25:00.640 --> 1:25:02.960 though that I wanted to work through with our friend 1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:06.000 and expert on these matters, Andy McCarthy. He is, of course, 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:09.000 of National Review and he's a former Assistant U S 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:11.519 Attorney for the Southern District of New York Andy. Great 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:14.160 to have you on, but great to be with you. 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:17.440 All right, So I know you've been you've been addressing 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:19.080 this for a few days now. I just want you 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:21.200 to to explain to everybody because I think it's a 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:25.240 critical point. There was a lot of oh, Carter Page, 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.880 what wasn't part of the Trump campaign when the surveillance 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:31.040 was going on at least from what we know of, 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:34.320 or they started it before he was Trump. And and 1:25:34.439 --> 1:25:36.320 what you've been telling folks is and I think this 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:38.920 is really important for everyone to hear. Once you once 1:25:38.920 --> 1:25:41.360 you get somebody up once, once you've got the miked up, 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:43.559 so to speak, you get access to a whole lot 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:48.760 of stuff current, future and past, right if they have. 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:54.639 If you're up on somebody's communications devices, you get all 1:25:54.680 --> 1:25:59.160 the forward going stuff, of course, but if the person 1:25:59.320 --> 1:26:04.320 has or email restored texts, you get those as well. 1:26:04.960 --> 1:26:09.600 So I might operating theory on this, and we have 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:12.679 to have these I guess guys like you and me, Buck, 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:16.040 because we don't have the current information, but we do 1:26:16.160 --> 1:26:18.639 we've got been around the block enough times to kind 1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:21.479 of know how these things work, and what these guys 1:26:21.520 --> 1:26:27.000 were probably thinking. I believe that they thought the mother 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:30.600 load with respect to Carter Page was not going to 1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:34.599 be as forward going uh communications, although I think they 1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:37.559 were very interested in those as well. I think they 1:26:37.560 --> 1:26:41.800 were hoping to get communications that he had while he 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:45.920 was with the Trump campaign. So the the sequence of 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:49.599 events is they go up on, we should go up 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:54.160 on they begin their surveillance on his communications devices, whichever 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:59.800 they were in October. It was I think October twenty one, 1:27:00.720 --> 1:27:04.719 UH he had parted ways or the campaign the Trump 1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:09.040 campaign had parted ways with him in mid September, after 1:27:09.120 --> 1:27:12.679 these press stories came out about the Steel dossier, which 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:15.439 talked about him in the context of his h of 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:18.400 his trip to Russia. The Trump campaign decided he was 1:27:18.479 --> 1:27:20.240 a hot number at that point. He was never that 1:27:20.320 --> 1:27:23.439 important to them anyway, so they kind of formally cut 1:27:23.439 --> 1:27:26.639 ties with him. But what I think the investigators were 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:29.080 hoping was when they got up on his phones and 1:27:29.160 --> 1:27:34.640 his his email and text and whatever else in October, 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:38.559 that he would have stored email and texts and they 1:27:38.600 --> 1:27:43.200 would get the Trump Russia communications to the extent there 1:27:43.200 --> 1:27:45.160 were any, And I think that probably turned out to 1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:47.680 be a dry hole. But I imagine that's what they 1:27:47.680 --> 1:27:50.679 were thinking. How how believable do you find it? Andy? 1:27:50.760 --> 1:27:54.120 At this point, um and forever and listening case you 1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:56.400 and he was a federal prosecutor for over twenty years, 1:27:56.439 --> 1:27:59.439 so he's he's got a sense about these things. How 1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:03.040 believable is it at this point that there's like, actually, 1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:09.679 apart from the dossier, really solid information on carter Page 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:12.920 that would justify the kind of surveillance that they were 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:17.519 doing outside of in the well, I mean, counterintelligence is 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.840 a lower standard. But do do you think that they 1:28:20.840 --> 1:28:22.519 were were they playing games with this? I mean, do 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:24.280 you or do you think there really was information that 1:28:24.280 --> 1:28:26.920 would be damning? Because I just feel like if carter 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.639 Page was really up to shady stuff, Andy, how come 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:32.000 no one's even whispered. We haven't even had a leak 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:36.400 of a theory of a criminal charge against carter Page. Yeah. 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:41.080 Not only that, Buck, he's suing people for libel. So 1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:44.040 you know, if there's something out there were about him, 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:47.280 he's certainly inviting it to be disclosed, since you know, 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:50.960 the truth would be a defense, uh to any of 1:28:51.000 --> 1:28:53.680 his libel claims. So I think you're quite right you know, 1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:55.920 I've I've tried to point out to people, but that 1:28:56.360 --> 1:29:00.320 when you're dealing with an American citizen or what they 1:29:00.360 --> 1:29:03.599 call in the federal law a u S person, which 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:07.760 is citizens, then lawful permanent residents, green card holders. But 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:11.040 when you're dealing with somebody in that status, FAISA has 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:16.439 a more demanding test for surveillance. You have to show 1:29:16.479 --> 1:29:20.080 not only that the guy is engaged in clandestine activities 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:23.360 from which it's fair to conclude that he's acting as 1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:26.280 an agent for a foreign power, you also have to 1:29:26.320 --> 1:29:30.760 show that those clandestine activities undertaken on behalf of that 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:35.640 foreign power are probably violations of federal criminal law. So 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:40.280 it's not enough to just say he was furthering Russia's agenda. 1:29:40.720 --> 1:29:42.640 You have to show that he was doing something that 1:29:42.800 --> 1:29:46.960 was in violation of federal law. Now, you always have 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:50.439 to caution that the FBI knows a lot more than 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:53.280 I do, and the intelligence community generally knows a lot 1:29:53.280 --> 1:29:57.840 more than I do. But but that said, um, the 1:29:57.840 --> 1:30:02.760 the stuff that's in the Steal dossier lays out some 1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:07.120 potential prosecutable crimes. I'm not aware of anything else with 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:10.160 respect to Carter Page that does that's not to say 1:30:10.160 --> 1:30:13.360 it's not out there. They could know more than we do, 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:16.320 but that certainly seems to me like it's the likely 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:18.880 source of it, and it wouldn't it be incombent then 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:21.559 in on the FBI to try to find a way 1:30:21.600 --> 1:30:24.920 to get some of that information out there. I mean, 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:28.200 there's it just feels like they're playing this big, big 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:30.639 game of hide the ball now from the American people. 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:36.320 And as you know, it's national security information, classified information. 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:38.800 It's always a balancing act, right, It's not just oh, 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:41.559 it's classified, so we're gonna just keep underlock and key forever. 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:44.160 In fact, a lot of information over time is by 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:47.040 law declassified. That's the way it's supposed to go. So 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:48.840 the public has a right to know in time, just 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:50.880 can't know right away. To me, it seems like if 1:30:50.880 --> 1:30:53.679 the FBI has got more on this guy, we need 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:56.960 definitive proof that they did, because otherwise this whole thing 1:30:57.040 --> 1:31:01.120 just it really does look like a sham. Yeah, well 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:05.000 I don't. I'm a little bit um. I'm willing to 1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:08.439 cut them a little more slack than that, but not much. 1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:13.559 So here's here's what I think happened here. I believe 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:18.559 that they believed steele Um and if you, if you, 1:31:18.960 --> 1:31:22.800 I think it's very hard in to put yourself in 1:31:22.840 --> 1:31:25.160 the shoes of what everybody was thinking in the autumn 1:31:25.160 --> 1:31:31.559 of But if you believed steele Um and you saw 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:34.120 what he was alleging, that would be very very alarming. 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:36.559 If if even half of that was true, it would 1:31:36.600 --> 1:31:40.479 be very alarming. And I think steele came to them 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:44.759 with credibility because he had cooperated with them or helped 1:31:44.800 --> 1:31:50.120 them on the FIFA soccer investigation, and they thought well 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:52.519 of him, so they overlooked the fact that they couldn't 1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:55.880 corroborate his sources, which to me is the biggest uh 1:31:56.200 --> 1:32:01.400 default in this whole escapade. Because I'm I'm less as 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:04.639 bad as the issues with respect to steals biases are. 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:07.040 I'm less concerned about that than I am about the 1:32:07.080 --> 1:32:10.439 fact that his sources are anonymous Russians who are three 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:14.400 and four hearsay levels removed from the events that they 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:16.800 supposedly saw. That the judge was asked to rely on 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:19.880 the probable cause. So I think that's the bigger problem. 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:23.040 But I think what happened here is they believe steal 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:28.040 and in some ways Buck you know, you know, with counterintelligence. 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:31.040 I think these guys think they're playing with the house 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:35.840 money in the sense that when everybody when when prosecutors 1:32:35.840 --> 1:32:39.680 and investigators are in a doing a criminal case, if 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:41.920 they go to get a warrant, even though it's just 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:44.000 them and the judge, when they go to get the warrant, 1:32:44.320 --> 1:32:47.440 everybody knows that everything is eventually going to be disclosed. 1:32:47.439 --> 1:32:49.639 It's all gonna be handed over to the defense lawyers 1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:51.800 and the defendant, and the court's gonna pick over it. 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:54.240 So that keeps you on your good behavior because you 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:56.519 know down the road someone's gonna be checking your work. 1:32:56.920 --> 1:33:00.360 And I think here they they're operating under the cloak 1:33:00.400 --> 1:33:04.479 of counterintelligence where everything's top secret, and they believed Hillary 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.559 was going to win. So I think that that makes 1:33:07.560 --> 1:33:10.120 you sloppy. I think that you know, they were I'm 1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:12.560 going to cut them some slack, that they were legitimately 1:33:12.600 --> 1:33:16.920 alarmed because they thought Steel was a credible guy, that 1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:19.400 at least some of what he was telling them was true. 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:21.920 But they were operating around the edges. They were getting 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:26.320 a little creative. Yep, yeah, yeah, I think so too. 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:28.360 And you just want more for you on the on 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:32.200 the Democrat memo, I don't really understand that the process. 1:33:32.240 --> 1:33:34.519 I mean, I I know about how classified information works, 1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:36.840 and I know about how the executive branch processes work, 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.600 but I don't. So so the Congress, you got, the 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:43.240 House Committee voted to send this Democrat memo through, but 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:45.920 now the FBI and the White House have sent it 1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:48.759 back and said there's too much classified in it. So 1:33:49.760 --> 1:33:51.960 and other Democrats are saying that they won't release it 1:33:52.040 --> 1:33:53.720 or what are you what's going on here? As far 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:55.160 as you see it, it it seems to me like there's 1:33:55.200 --> 1:33:58.479 obviously games being played here. Yeah, I think there are, 1:33:58.560 --> 1:34:01.040 But this is one of the issues, but where it's 1:34:01.040 --> 1:34:03.240 more of a legal I mean, a political thing than 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:06.759 a legal thing. So there's this congressional process in the House. 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:10.160 The Senate doesn't have this, where the committee can vote 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:13.840 to declassify something and then in their rules it gives 1:34:13.840 --> 1:34:17.280 the president five days to weigh in. Now, when the 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:21.160 President says I object, that doesn't have the force of law, 1:34:21.760 --> 1:34:26.240 because Congress has full immunity under the Speech and Debate clause. 1:34:26.280 --> 1:34:29.599 If they want to, if they want to express something 1:34:29.640 --> 1:34:32.280 that's classified, Uh, they can do it and they can't 1:34:32.280 --> 1:34:35.840 be prosecuted for it. But of course, no congress person 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:38.600 is going to want to do something that looks like 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:42.200 it's damaging to the country or looks like they're exposing 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:45.360 classified information for no other reasons. So it's kind of 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:47.400 a game of chicken. I think what happened here is 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:51.360 that the Democrats laced their letter with a lot of 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:55.080 message and sources stuff, knowing that that would be objected to, 1:34:55.720 --> 1:34:58.800 and then they were hoping that from the objection they'd 1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:01.080 be able to say that they are memo was being 1:35:01.120 --> 1:35:04.200 suppressed by Trump. But did the Republicans in the House. 1:35:04.240 --> 1:35:06.920 Did the Republicans in this House committee any say it was? Okay? 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:08.439 They must have, right, unless it wouldn't have made it 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:11.160 out of the committee, because basically they said, we're not 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:15.120 falling into the trap here. Okay, sure, fine, put it out, 1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:17.000 and then they put it on the President in the 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:19.559 FBI and the Justice Department to object to it. Now 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:21.559 that makes sense, okay, Yeah, So it was kind of 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:25.240 a poison pill situation, which I'd assume was the case. Yep, 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:29.840 do you think it's gonna come out? Uh? Not in 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:33.400 the form that they the Democrats want to put it 1:35:33.439 --> 1:35:35.920 out in. But you know, as the Republicans of the Committee, 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:38.679 including Noon Has say, uh, they sure hope it comes 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:41.360 out because they think it will show what what complete 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:43.760 nonsense it is, that it doesn't really have anything to 1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:46.479 do with the main issue, which is did they use 1:35:46.560 --> 1:35:50.800 the dossier to get a warrant? And did they corroborate it? 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:53.320 And on those issues, I don't think the Democrats are 1:35:53.360 --> 1:35:56.280 gonna help themselves much with this letter. Any what's your 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:59.599 next piece gonna be working? Folks go to find it. Well, 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:04.040 I'm working on something with respect to Susan Rice's mysterious 1:36:04.080 --> 1:36:07.080 email that we learned about the last couple of days, 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:11.840 and um tomorrow and nash review dot com everybody, and 1:36:11.840 --> 1:36:13.920 he just real quick, do you think it's shady? Because 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:18.000 I think it's shady, it's sad, yes, and he agrees 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:20.240 it's shady. Now I feel I've been saying all week 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:22.680 you don't write yourself by the book twice in an 1:36:22.720 --> 1:36:25.160 email your last day on the job unless there's been 1:36:25.200 --> 1:36:27.880 some not by the book stuff. So I feel very 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:29.720 confident now that you're on the same year, on the 1:36:29.760 --> 1:36:32.439 same train as I am on that one. Andy McCarthy, everybody, 1:36:32.479 --> 1:36:34.479 the one and only follow him on Twitter check out 1:36:34.479 --> 1:36:37.240 his stuff on Nasha review dot com and you thank 1:36:37.240 --> 1:36:40.320 you so much for making the time. Alright, team, we're 1:36:40.360 --> 1:36:43.360 gonna roll into a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey, team, 1:36:43.360 --> 1:36:46.040 I wanted to flag a story for you that has 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:50.679 got some really interesting dynamics at work. It's by Adam Crado, 1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:54.040 who is a senior writer over at the Washington Free Beacon. 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:59.759 Here's the headline, cutterback spy operation on US Jews puts 1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:05.200 Al Jazeera in congressional crosshairs. Quite a title and quite 1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:07.479 a story. We have the author with us right now, 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:11.240 Mr Adam Crado. Good to have you back, sir, Thanks 1:37:11.240 --> 1:37:12.960 for having me. I appreciate it. Buddy. All right, you 1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:15.120 got you gotta tell us. We're workers through some of 1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:17.120 the details and then we'll get into the implications. But 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:19.479 what is going on here? This is quite This is 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:23.000 quite a tale. It really is quite a tale, and 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:26.679 it's um one of these truth is stranger than fiction 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:30.360 type tales. We have Al Jazeera, which of course everybody 1:37:30.400 --> 1:37:35.680 knows is a state funded news organization. The Qatari government 1:37:36.120 --> 1:37:40.320 UH funds Al Jazeera and necessarily Al Jazira tows their 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:43.360 line and one of their pet projects for quite some 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:47.160 time has been UH anti Israel documentary. So what Al 1:37:47.240 --> 1:37:51.320 Jazira did very quietly about last year, and we're just 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:54.280 kind of finding out the details now, is that they 1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:58.680 hired a molar too and sent them into Washington, d C. 1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:04.519 To essentially the infiltrate pros Rael organizations and UH try 1:38:04.560 --> 1:38:09.599 to find pro Israel officials supporters in compromising positions. Now, look, 1:38:09.880 --> 1:38:12.240 really what they found is not all that shocking. That 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:16.280 pro Israel people want to stop boycotts of Israel, they 1:38:16.360 --> 1:38:20.639 want to combat anti Semitism. But it seems that what 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:23.599 they've done here that you know, when you record somebody 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:27.040 through a peepole camera, everything starts to look kind of sexy. 1:38:27.080 --> 1:38:30.040 And Alta's area has begun sending letters now to a 1:38:30.040 --> 1:38:32.439 lot of these organizations telling ram, well, we've got you 1:38:32.479 --> 1:38:35.880 on videotape. We need you to respond to these allegations 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:39.760 that there is Jowish influence in the US government, that 1:38:40.400 --> 1:38:43.800 pro Israel Jews in America are working on behalf of 1:38:43.840 --> 1:38:48.040 the Israeli government um to stop boycotts of Israel, all 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:51.040 these kinds of lines, and what we're seeing now is 1:38:51.080 --> 1:38:55.120 that this is can amount to cutter a foreign government 1:38:55.479 --> 1:39:00.400 running a spy operation on American soil, targeting US Jews. 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:02.840 Let's not lie. That's what this is. This is not 1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:08.160 a news outlet doing an investigation. This is a propaganda network. 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:12.200 This is a state run network operating at the instruction 1:39:12.280 --> 1:39:14.720 of the government. So this is actually causing quite a 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:18.400 bit of trouble for Al Jazeera now that there is 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:22.280 a push Incongress to get Al Jazeera to register as 1:39:22.320 --> 1:39:24.880 a foreign agent, which is what it is under Farah, 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:28.840 the Foreign Agents Registration acted. This would really put them 1:39:28.840 --> 1:39:31.280 in line with our art is now under FARA right 1:39:31.320 --> 1:39:33.120 in the last twelve months, I believe exactly what I 1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:35.000 was going to see, exactly what I was gonna say. 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:40.040 Ye RTI, the Russian UH funded propaganda network is forced 1:39:40.080 --> 1:39:43.519 recently to register under FARAH, the chi comm newspapers, the 1:39:43.520 --> 1:39:47.040 communist propaganda registers. As such, there's no reason that Al 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:50.919 Jazeera should not be put in the same category, especially 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:55.280 after they're spying on American juins. This is astonishing. We're 1:39:55.280 --> 1:40:00.320 talking about Adam Crado of the Washington Free Beacon about this. 1:40:00.840 --> 1:40:03.080 It seems to me that the most likely way they 1:40:03.080 --> 1:40:06.680 would have approached this, Adam, is that these Al Jazeera journalists, 1:40:06.720 --> 1:40:10.960 so under the cloak of being investigative journalists are effectively 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:14.919 doing oppo research and spying on American Jews. Right, That's 1:40:14.920 --> 1:40:17.479 that that would be how I actually that's how they've 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:21.160 presented this, right, yeah, yeah, precisely. I mean last year 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:23.280 I caught wind of it actually kind of when it 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:25.880 was taking place in others, just because I tend to 1:40:25.920 --> 1:40:29.040 circulate and report on these communities. But apparently there was 1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:32.120 at least one mall that was all around town secretly 1:40:32.160 --> 1:40:36.920 recording people, uh infiltrating under false aliases and names into 1:40:37.040 --> 1:40:40.439 pros and out organizations, and um, it looks like they 1:40:40.560 --> 1:40:44.080 entangled quite a few people. In my my gut instinct, 1:40:44.360 --> 1:40:47.320 um is I suspect they don't have that much. I mean, 1:40:47.520 --> 1:40:50.280 they can spend this. It's you know, conspiracies with Jews 1:40:50.280 --> 1:40:53.280 and government are always kind of sexy for the anti 1:40:53.439 --> 1:40:57.200 Semitic conspiracy theorists, But my my gut tells me they 1:40:57.200 --> 1:40:59.160 probably don't have much of it. They've really stepped in 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:02.800 it year because is exposed to themselves as operating on 1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:05.880 behalf of the anti Semitic Tatari government, which as you know, 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:09.880 fund much and brotherhood of a moss Front exporter of 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:13.040 Taylor financing all these types of things. You also have 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:17.720 the main story up right now on the Washington Freebeacon website, 1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:22.000 Iran back terror group claims half a million missiles aimed 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.439 at Israel. I was updating folks yesterday on the drone 1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:27.640 that was shot down over Israeli airspace, and also just 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:30.400 the general situation of Syria right now, which is a 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:34.800 is a mess. Despite the losses, Isis has sustained what's 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:38.360 going on with with Hezbollah, what's going on with Iran 1:41:38.439 --> 1:41:41.720 and the half a million missiles. Yeah, you know, I 1:41:42.080 --> 1:41:45.400 tried to tell um people quite often whenever I get 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:47.960 really the chance and they ask me for my take 1:41:48.040 --> 1:41:51.080 on national security and funning policy in these types of things. 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:54.240 I think this is really the biggest untold story in 1:41:54.280 --> 1:41:57.479 the Middle East right now that, as one person put 1:41:57.479 --> 1:42:00.400 it to me, under the cloud of war, are under 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:02.920 the fog of war that's going on in Syrie, and 1:42:03.000 --> 1:42:06.080 yet in all these other places, Iran has really been 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:11.320 able to secretly and UH covertly UH move advanced missiles 1:42:11.320 --> 1:42:14.439 into the region. They've got weapons of workshops on the 1:42:14.479 --> 1:42:18.040 border with Israel in uh hamas control territory and on 1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:22.120 the northern border where his Bolla operates, between Syria and Lebanon, 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:26.559 they've been able to stockpile at least seventy thousand new missiles. 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:28.880 This is on top of about a hundred and fifty 1:42:28.920 --> 1:42:32.320 thousand others, and they say within the next year they'll 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:36.080 be able to amass about half a million advanced missiles 1:42:36.200 --> 1:42:39.360 on Israel's border. And this is really part of an 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:43.040 Iranian strategy of bombardment that um, if they are to 1:42:43.240 --> 1:42:46.439 get in any sort of direct conflict with Israel, they 1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:48.760 can blow the whistle and their terry proxy groups like 1:42:48.800 --> 1:42:51.799 his Bola and others will come in and barage Israel. 1:42:52.040 --> 1:42:54.760 It's a frightening situation. I'm really not sure what the 1:42:54.840 --> 1:42:59.160 Israeli government does. Uh. I would advocate preemptive bombing here 1:42:59.160 --> 1:43:03.200 the destroyed these cashes, but that that itself. I have 1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:07.240 to say, I was somewhat surprised that Israeli air strikes 1:43:07.280 --> 1:43:11.599 inside Syria targeting both Syrian and Iranian and people don't 1:43:11.640 --> 1:43:15.120 understand that they're actually Iranian installations now in Syria. It's 1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:18.120 not just like a handful of Iranians who are providing 1:43:18.479 --> 1:43:22.160 assistance or you know, there's there's that that Syria effectively 1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:25.880 has become an Iranian launch powder and Iranian forward operating 1:43:25.960 --> 1:43:30.599 base for operations against Israel got very little attention from 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:33.160 much of the media. I mean, they're shooting down what 1:43:33.200 --> 1:43:37.000 they believe could be a in Iranian knockoff of the 1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:40.160 Stealth drone, the Sentinel drone. That's what the Idea was 1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:43.480 reporting that the US lost to Iran back in twleven. 1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:47.840 The Iranians are flying that in Israeli airspace. They have 1:43:47.880 --> 1:43:49.960 to shoot it down, I think with an Apache helicopter. 1:43:50.120 --> 1:43:53.799 Three attempts to shoot it down originally failed, and barely 1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:55.680 a peep about it here in the media. Adam, what's 1:43:55.720 --> 1:43:59.360 going on? Look at surprise, it gets easy to ignore. 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:02.280 These stones are out of his convenient stories about um 1:44:02.320 --> 1:44:05.320 at least from a foreign policy and angld Russia's involvement 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:08.840 in Seria much sexier given the domestic coverage here in 1:44:08.880 --> 1:44:12.400 the United States. But I've actually been learning about this 1:44:12.479 --> 1:44:16.320 for quite some time that the real untold story is 1:44:16.360 --> 1:44:20.880 what's happening on Israel's northern border with Um. Hens Baula, 1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:25.320 the former recently resigned Prime Minister from Lebanon, when he 1:44:25.439 --> 1:44:28.240 was leaving and fleeing to Saudi Arabia said, I can't 1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:31.720 learn this country. It's completely controlled by his Bola and 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:37.000 Iranian agents. It's impossible. Yet, um, the Trump administration actually, 1:44:37.080 --> 1:44:41.280 quite shockingly and disappointingly continues to provide arms to the 1:44:41.360 --> 1:44:44.680 Lebanese armed forces, which really is just the fact of 1:44:44.760 --> 1:44:48.440 his Bola. So there there's a very complicated and similaring 1:44:48.520 --> 1:44:52.839 situation that is only getting worse on Israel's northern border. 1:44:52.920 --> 1:44:56.000 And I really see no other ways for this to 1:44:56.280 --> 1:44:59.960 end except in war unless the Trump administration, in certain 1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:03.920 news rallies take some steps now literally down we should 1:45:03.960 --> 1:45:06.040 have done it months and months, if not years ago, 1:45:06.160 --> 1:45:09.960 but steps immediately to kind of mitigate it. Adam Crado 1:45:10.280 --> 1:45:12.519 is a senior writer at the Washington Free Beacon. You 1:45:12.520 --> 1:45:14.960 can read his latest on national security and everything else 1:45:14.960 --> 1:45:19.360 they're covering over there at Free Beacon dot com. Adam, uh, 1:45:19.439 --> 1:45:21.360 some really great reporting. Thank you so much for joining us. 1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:25.479 We appreciate it. Thank you. I'm always my pleasure. Alright, 1:45:25.479 --> 1:45:27.760 seem we are going to roll into a break here. 1:45:27.800 --> 1:45:30.120 When I come back, we will get into a bit 1:45:30.160 --> 1:45:35.360 of maybe some roll call some Valentine's talk we've gotta 1:45:35.640 --> 1:45:37.880 been a been a heavy day, and I think we 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:40.240 can take a breather here at the end to think 1:45:40.280 --> 1:45:44.559 about some more pleasant and happier times. So we'll be 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:47.680 back in just a few Well, team, that's gonna be 1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:50.519 it today in the Freedom Hunt. Gonna be closing out 1:45:50.520 --> 1:45:53.839 the show here in just a couple of minutes. First, Uh, 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:58.360 you know, I sent Mrs Molly some flowers in her 1:45:58.400 --> 1:46:03.000 office today, and I just want to say, I hope 1:46:03.000 --> 1:46:06.120 all of you have a a good Valentine's Day. It's 1:46:06.160 --> 1:46:08.360 been a very it's been a very tough day in 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:11.280 the news cycle, tough day for the country. But you 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:13.800 still need to go home and kiss and hug your 1:46:13.840 --> 1:46:17.280 loved ones, and you have your own private or you know, 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:20.120 your own version of a of a Valentine's Day, if 1:46:20.160 --> 1:46:23.160 in fact, you even in general, think that Valentine's Day 1:46:23.240 --> 1:46:28.599 is something that we should all give into. I sit 1:46:28.640 --> 1:46:30.720 here and I'm like, you know, why is it that 1:46:30.760 --> 1:46:35.040 we have to send chocolates and flowers and all this stuff. 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:40.479 It strikes me as a little bit more commercial, uh 1:46:40.560 --> 1:46:44.599 commercial than I would like to commit to. Right It's 1:46:45.600 --> 1:46:48.280 but you know that again, the same thing with with 1:46:48.400 --> 1:46:50.639 ring buying from what I understand. You know, you got 1:46:50.640 --> 1:46:54.000 to learn about the Four Seas, and you gotta. I 1:46:54.040 --> 1:46:55.840 don't worry. She doesn't listen to the radio show, so 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:58.479 she's not gonna get tipped off with anything. I am 1:46:58.560 --> 1:47:01.080 just your Valentine's Day. It's fine, all right. Look, if 1:47:01.080 --> 1:47:04.560 you're just sending flowers, it's fine. I get it. Um. 1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:11.160 No one really spends much time commemorating the martyrdom of St. Valentine. 1:47:12.680 --> 1:47:18.679 He was a Roman priest, was beheaded in the third century. Um. 1:47:18.680 --> 1:47:20.439 But there's a lot of back and forth on what 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:24.680 the the true history of St. Valentine is. Today is 1:47:24.720 --> 1:47:30.439 also ash Wednesday, as you know. So there's just there's 1:47:30.640 --> 1:47:33.800 a lot a lot going on on the calendar. So 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:37.000 I thought I would just get into a bit of 1:47:37.479 --> 1:47:42.479 a bit of roll call, because let's do that wet 1:47:43.280 --> 1:47:47.840 oh no, whoa hey, crying chop, We'll take that team buck. 1:47:48.400 --> 1:47:55.519 It's time for roll call, So let's get it going. Sorry, 1:47:55.640 --> 1:48:00.439 first we've got t J who writes in he sent 1:48:00.520 --> 1:48:05.559 me a stand with Rand from Rand pack dot com. 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:07.639 Rand Paul, this is about and he said, did Rand 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:09.840 ask your permission to use this? Well, t J. Rand 1:48:09.880 --> 1:48:11.800 did not, but I give full permission. But I think 1:48:11.840 --> 1:48:18.200 stand with Rand is obvious enough that I can't pretend 1:48:18.280 --> 1:48:21.920 to to copyright that one. Greg has one for me 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:24.519 next on the roll call here, Well, question for you 1:48:24.560 --> 1:48:27.559 and maybe discussion on your show sometime. Do your viewers 1:48:27.600 --> 1:48:30.920 think if Trump were not elected but someone like Jeff 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:35.080 Bush or Marker Rubio or whoever we're elected president, that 1:48:35.160 --> 1:48:37.559 we would have the economy going like we do now 1:48:37.800 --> 1:48:40.160 or even better? Do they think we'd be seeing the 1:48:40.240 --> 1:48:42.840 uncovering of the corruption and the takedown of the deep 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:47.080 state like we're witnessing. Thanks from Greg. You know, Greg, 1:48:47.080 --> 1:48:49.639 it's a very interesting question, and it's one for which 1:48:50.520 --> 1:48:53.360 there can't be a definitive answer. Right. We know that 1:48:53.400 --> 1:48:56.200 there's there's nothing that we can do to prove what 1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:59.880 did not. We can't prove a historical negative. We can 1:49:00.120 --> 1:49:04.240 prove what would have been had another Republican been able 1:49:04.240 --> 1:49:08.200 to defeat Hillary Clinton. I will say this, tax cuts, 1:49:08.200 --> 1:49:10.639 such as they have been pushed forward by the GOP 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:15.120 thus far, that's pretty mainstream, pretty standard go Op stuff. 1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:20.480 That's not it's not really anything that's uh shaking things, 1:49:20.479 --> 1:49:22.800 shaking things up too much, you know, it's not really 1:49:22.880 --> 1:49:27.160 changing things up from what we would expect from the GOP. 1:49:27.600 --> 1:49:31.679 And I think the tax cuts are pretty much right 1:49:31.720 --> 1:49:37.240 in the center of the Republican parties mantra. So you 1:49:37.560 --> 1:49:40.120 got that as where whether we there be other things 1:49:40.120 --> 1:49:43.879 going on, I don't know, you know, whether other things 1:49:44.040 --> 1:49:49.920 necessarily would be different, better, the same tough to say. 1:49:49.520 --> 1:49:53.560 I I mean, you certainly wouldn't have the media operating 1:49:53.600 --> 1:49:57.559 like it does right now. So yeah, I just I 1:49:57.600 --> 1:50:00.360 think that the the part of this that's definitely different 1:50:00.680 --> 1:50:04.840 is the way that Trump has exposed the media and 1:50:05.080 --> 1:50:07.760 the the true depths. Look, we know, we've known that 1:50:07.800 --> 1:50:09.840 the media is biased for a very long time now. 1:50:09.880 --> 1:50:12.280 I grew up in an environment where because of the 1:50:12.280 --> 1:50:16.519 Internet and talk radio, there was finally a CounterPunch and 1:50:16.560 --> 1:50:18.800 there was a counter argument that was out there, and 1:50:19.120 --> 1:50:20.880 the rise of Fox News to become the number one 1:50:20.960 --> 1:50:25.680 cable network. But you know, you knew the media was 1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:30.280 Democrat was left. You didn't know that they were hysterical 1:50:30.360 --> 1:50:34.640 about it. You didn't know that they were unable to 1:50:34.720 --> 1:50:37.320 keep their grip on reality when you would have a 1:50:37.360 --> 1:50:41.479 new kind of president and new presidency where their power 1:50:41.600 --> 1:50:44.599 no longer was what they thought it was. So that's 1:50:44.960 --> 1:50:47.560 something that I think is very very different about the 1:50:47.560 --> 1:50:50.519 Trump administration from what you would have seen in any 1:50:50.520 --> 1:50:53.400 other administration. And then we could also we could continue 1:50:53.400 --> 1:50:55.200 this could be an all night discussion. How is Trump 1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:59.160 different from how other presidents would have been? Uh, name 1:50:59.280 --> 1:51:02.479 name something. Really, there's a lot of stuff that is 1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:05.719 different about Trump. But I'm one of the first. Oh 1:51:05.760 --> 1:51:08.639 I'm not the first to say this, but I'm I'm 1:51:08.680 --> 1:51:13.559 free in admitting that he has exceeded my expectations so far. 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:17.160 And I've thinking he's doing a really, really good job. 1:51:17.200 --> 1:51:21.080 And I just also do love what so many others 1:51:21.120 --> 1:51:25.760 saw early on, and uh, that is that Trump was 1:51:25.800 --> 1:51:29.559 going to be the greatest irritant to the American left, 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:33.559 certainly since Reagan. I mean, nothing bothers them as much 1:51:33.600 --> 1:51:37.240 as Trump. And that's that's worth a lot. There's there's 1:51:37.360 --> 1:51:40.360 a currency to that, there's value to that, all right. 1:51:40.720 --> 1:51:42.840 Next one, we have Bob, who writes its been a 1:51:42.880 --> 1:51:47.439 while since I saw a movie in theater. I saw 1:51:47.479 --> 1:51:51.840 one on Tuesday, twelve Strong. Highly recommend for Team Buck 1:51:51.960 --> 1:51:55.120 Shields high. Thank you, Bob. I want to see twelve 1:51:55.160 --> 1:51:58.080 Strong too. I tend not to say that I'm going 1:51:58.160 --> 1:52:02.040 to see something in the theater, because it's usually it's 1:52:02.040 --> 1:52:05.160 not that I am intentionally lying about it, but I 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:08.280 find myself saying, oh, wait till it's on demand, and 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:09.800 I'll wait till I can buy it and watch it 1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:14.200 at home. My couch is very large, very comfortable. It's 1:52:14.200 --> 1:52:16.080 not not not much to look at, but man, I 1:52:16.080 --> 1:52:19.120 mean it could. It could comfortably sleep to maybe three, 1:52:19.240 --> 1:52:22.240 and the couch is just a sanctuary. I've got a 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:25.599 big flat screen on the wall, and it's just there's 1:52:25.600 --> 1:52:27.800 no movie theater that I can compare. I just don't 1:52:27.800 --> 1:52:30.680 know what else to say. I wish, I wish I 1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:32.840 was somebody that still got excited about like standing in 1:52:32.840 --> 1:52:36.120 a ticket line and paying eight dollars for a bunch 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:40.040 of popcorn. And Nope, I'm I'm a watch it at 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:43.320 home guy now and and increasingly I really I Some 1:52:43.360 --> 1:52:49.080 people I know watch cable so that they have sports, 1:52:49.280 --> 1:52:51.559 live sports. That's the big advantage of that's the big 1:52:51.640 --> 1:52:55.240 draw for them. I basically watched now on demand stuff, 1:52:55.640 --> 1:52:58.720 and then I watched news for on the cable. That's 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:01.280 it that I don't. I don't really watch cable TV 1:53:01.360 --> 1:53:04.439 other than that. So you know, my my habits have 1:53:04.479 --> 1:53:06.320 been changing with us over time. I remember going to 1:53:06.320 --> 1:53:08.559 the movies, my brothers, my dad, my mom, you know, 1:53:08.640 --> 1:53:10.640 my sister. Back in the day, we'd all we'd all 1:53:10.640 --> 1:53:13.160 go see movies as a family. Now, I think if 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:15.080 the six of us were all adults now, but if 1:53:15.080 --> 1:53:16.799 the six of us tried to go see a movie 1:53:16.840 --> 1:53:19.719 in New York City, I'm just realizing this is crazy. 1:53:19.760 --> 1:53:22.160 I think about it would cost a hundred bucks. It 1:53:22.160 --> 1:53:24.040 would cost a hundred dollars for us to see a 1:53:24.120 --> 1:53:26.360 movie in New York. Tickets for movies here are like 1:53:26.560 --> 1:53:30.680 seventeen or eighteen dollars, and there's six of us, and 1:53:30.720 --> 1:53:32.360 then you know, I had a little popcorn and some 1:53:32.479 --> 1:53:34.840 soda and you're at a hundred dollars to see a movie. 1:53:34.880 --> 1:53:36.880 That is just when you can own it or or 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:39.720 you can download it and watch it at home for 1:53:39.920 --> 1:53:43.800 like seven usually maybe ten something like that. So I 1:53:43.880 --> 1:53:47.880 but I will see the The twelve Strong because that's 1:53:47.880 --> 1:53:49.639 a very important story. I want to check it out. 1:53:50.400 --> 1:53:55.400 Amy next next one app here on Keep One to 1:53:55.439 --> 1:53:58.360 see Team Buck speaks on Roll Call, Hey Buck Shields 1:53:58.400 --> 1:54:01.320 high question. Remember when the Obama is ration Surverill reporters 1:54:01.360 --> 1:54:04.559 like Rosen and his parents. Whatever happened with this, How 1:54:04.560 --> 1:54:06.799 does this time to surveillance of Trump, of the Trump campaign? 1:54:07.280 --> 1:54:09.760 How rampant was this surveillance abuse? What does it say 1:54:09.760 --> 1:54:14.000 about corruption the FBI? Well, Amy, it's uh, it's kind 1:54:14.000 --> 1:54:16.639 of complicated. It's very different. It wasn't a FISA warrant 1:54:16.640 --> 1:54:18.760 with Rosen. It was just a typical criminal warrant. What 1:54:18.760 --> 1:54:23.160 they did was they they broke an unspoken agreement with 1:54:23.240 --> 1:54:28.040 the media that they won't use criminal proceedings against journalists 1:54:28.040 --> 1:54:31.160 to find the leakers. The administration said, you know what, 1:54:31.240 --> 1:54:33.200 We're gonna find the leaker, and we're gonna do that 1:54:33.280 --> 1:54:37.560 by going after journalists records. And I know that's what 1:54:37.600 --> 1:54:39.960 they did with the Associated Press, and I believe that's 1:54:39.960 --> 1:54:42.480 what they did with Rosen as well, though I'd have 1:54:42.520 --> 1:54:45.480 to familiarize myself with that case. Again. That's gonna be 1:54:45.480 --> 1:54:47.920 it for today in the Hut. My friends, please do 1:54:48.040 --> 1:54:50.600 check out bucks Extion dot com. Also follow me on 1:54:50.680 --> 1:54:53.920 Facebook at Facebook dot com slash buck sexon. I post 1:54:53.960 --> 1:54:55.520 there throughout the day. It's also where you can write 1:54:55.520 --> 1:54:59.800 me messages. Until next time, my friends, Shields High