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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Everybody. We have news still breaking here as
Speaker 1: we go on air. We're getting more and more information
Speaker 1: as it comes through on the wires and various channels
Speaker 1: and everyone who's covering it of a horrific school shooting
Speaker 1: in Broward County in Florida. What we know so far
Speaker 1: is that there is one suspect, he is in custody,
Speaker 1: fourteen victims, according to Fox News. CNN says at least
Speaker 1: two dead, and some sources have been saying for a
Speaker 1: while now that um that there were multiple fatality so
Speaker 1: we might expect that there will be that that number
Speaker 1: of two dead will grow in the hours ahead. It's
Speaker 1: a tough a tough day, a tough night for the
Speaker 1: whole country, and thoughts and prayers go to the families
Speaker 1: of those affected. UM I want to walk through with
Speaker 1: you what happened here. We'll try to find as much
Speaker 1: as we can a sense of how this unfolded and
Speaker 1: also what could have been done, if anything, about it.
Speaker 1: I don't take the approach that others do sometimes after
Speaker 1: terrorist incidents or after mass shootings like this, and pretend
Speaker 1: that there's an answer, that there's a solution that's just
Speaker 1: waiting out there if only we had the political will.
Speaker 1: You can expect there will be a lot of grandstanding
Speaker 1: from some pretty shameless politicians on the left about this.
Speaker 1: They will make this about gun control. There will be
Speaker 1: slightly less partisan, but also some rather acrimonious discussions about
Speaker 1: mental health and what could have been done there. Here's
Speaker 1: what we know from this, from what's been reported so far,
Speaker 1: and like I said, fourteen victims, two dead. There have
Speaker 1: been reports of as many fifty injured, but we don't
Speaker 1: know the extent of those injuries, and that is not
Speaker 1: a not a confirmed number. So this was in Parkland
Speaker 1: in in southern Florida, Broward County, north of Miami, and
Speaker 1: you have a situation where a student, a former student
Speaker 1: rather of the school, nineteen years old, and he has
Speaker 1: been identified as Nicholas Cruise, he went on campus and
Speaker 1: engaged in a mass shooting of students, some of whom
Speaker 1: he might have known quite well. We don't know, but
Speaker 1: he definitely was a student at the school. He was
Speaker 1: known to some of the students. And now we're trying
Speaker 1: to ascertain what the series of events were that that
Speaker 1: occurred here. Now, I I'm going to play some audio
Speaker 1: for you that is from the moments of the actual shooting.
Speaker 1: I will tell you right now that it is. It
Speaker 1: is very disturbing stuff. When I heard it, I was
Speaker 1: I was honestly wrestling with whether or not we should
Speaker 1: even play it on the air. But I think if
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this issue in detail, and we are,
Speaker 1: then we have to. I have I feel obligated to
Speaker 1: present you with the fullest picture I can of what
Speaker 1: happened here because we're also going to be discussing what
Speaker 1: could be done, if anything, about it. And the more
Speaker 1: we the more we know about how this heinous killer
Speaker 1: went about his plot today, the more likely it is
Speaker 1: at least that we can try to come up with
Speaker 1: some means of preventing the next one. Although like I was,
Speaker 1: like I said at the at the beginning, very tough
Speaker 1: to stop this, very difficult to do. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean we shouldn't try to come up with new ways.
Speaker 1: And we are certainly going to remain vigilant and try.
Speaker 1: But this this is a warning for audio that I'm
Speaker 1: we're about to play it. It is from a student
Speaker 1: who is hiding under a desk at the high school
Speaker 1: here in Parkland, UM Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School. And
Speaker 1: this is so if you if I just want to
Speaker 1: give you a warning about it. It is disturbing. And
Speaker 1: here is the audio from the incident. So a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of gunfire, a lot of screaming students
Speaker 1: trying to hide, students running for their lives. UM, it
Speaker 1: was terrible and terrifying. Here is a student eye witness
Speaker 1: to these events today on the third floor. He ran
Speaker 1: to the staircase. But then everyone like kind of paused
Speaker 1: and we all started running back. I was being like
Speaker 1: pushing and pulled through the hallway and he ran into
Speaker 1: the classroom. In the minute I got into my classroom,
Speaker 1: I heard gunshots, like multiple rounds from I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what gun let me stayed in there for I don't
Speaker 1: remember how long, really long time, and the police came
Speaker 1: through the hallway to get us, and in the hallway
Speaker 1: saw a big pile of blood like kind of smeared
Speaker 1: as if they were dragged away. And I saw two
Speaker 1: girls probably dead in the hallway, and then coming down
Speaker 1: the stairs there was some more blood and outside of
Speaker 1: the building there was another guy and I think it
Speaker 1: was a teacher who was pretty sure was dead outside.
Speaker 1: And what did you see that You said that you
Speaker 1: were inside and I was inside. Not just one gun shot,
Speaker 1: it was multiple. It really loud because it was right
Speaker 1: outside my door. And like my teacher didn't let us
Speaker 1: out even when the the firearm did go off, which
Speaker 1: is lucky because then we could have really gotten hurt
Speaker 1: one of our classmates. But I saw basically the same
Speaker 1: thing as her. And there was just a lot of
Speaker 1: blood everywhere, and there was bodies kind of just everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's gross. And he saw a lot of Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was like I think there's four of them. So I
Speaker 1: thought when you were getting out of there. Well, I
Speaker 1: remember my fund crying behind me, and I kept trying
Speaker 1: to tell her it's going to be okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get out, and luckily we did get out, but it
Speaker 1: was kind of scary and I didn't want to look
Speaker 1: at anything. So yeah, that was my thoughts. When your
Speaker 1: parents are here now, yes, okay, I'm just sure you're
Speaker 1: gonna give them a big from here. Now, it is
Speaker 1: believed that Nicholas Cruz, the alleged shooter, the alleged mass
Speaker 1: murderer here, pulled the fire alarm himself. So he had
Speaker 1: been previously banned from the campus from this high school,
Speaker 1: and he came back, pulled the fire alarm, and then
Speaker 1: as students began to exit, and there was Now this
Speaker 1: is where we have to coordinate with the reporting from
Speaker 1: earlier than the day. But there were reports that they
Speaker 1: had already had one fire drill or one drill of
Speaker 1: some kind of I don't know. That might have been
Speaker 1: misreported because they may have thought that this drill, that
Speaker 1: this this drill that where he pulled the will will
Speaker 1: will disentangle this throughout the show. We'll make sure we're
Speaker 1: up to date on it, but it is believed that
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruise pulled the fire alarm and then when students
Speaker 1: were filing out or or leaving their locations is when
Speaker 1: he started shooting, which is a means of getting them
Speaker 1: all out of the classrooms and perhaps making it easier
Speaker 1: to create a mass casualty event. Some students did shelter
Speaker 1: in place once the gunfire started. You heard that audio
Speaker 1: of the scene as it was unfolding. We know that
Speaker 1: this student had a background, that crews had a background
Speaker 1: of mental illness, that he was a problem. He was
Speaker 1: on the radar of of the school authorities as well
Speaker 1: as I believe local police. There was discussion also of
Speaker 1: his involvement in a forum where there was talk of
Speaker 1: how to build a bomb, and that was one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why the police were although I think this
Speaker 1: was also this is also likely protocol on any mass
Speaker 1: shooting event. But as they were going room a room,
Speaker 1: there were concerns. As they were trying to clear out
Speaker 1: the building, there were concerns that there could have been
Speaker 1: a bomb emplaced. We have nothing on motive yet, we
Speaker 1: have nothing other than just the obvious right psychopathic killer
Speaker 1: shooting a bunch of students that he likely knew, or
Speaker 1: at least a school that he certainly knew. Um, we
Speaker 1: don't have anything specific on the motive yet, we will
Speaker 1: learn a lot more because of social media, because of
Speaker 1: the online footprint that is left by by everybody now
Speaker 1: these days, we'll have a sense as to what this
Speaker 1: shooter's mentality was. Perhaps he may have even left a manifesto.
Speaker 1: All of that remains to be seen right now. We
Speaker 1: first and foremost turn our thoughts to those affected by this.
Speaker 1: We try to grieve together as a nation. Um, this
Speaker 1: should not be turned immediately into a political event, but
Speaker 1: of course that's already happening, already calls for gun control.
Speaker 1: And then there's a discussion to be had here about
Speaker 1: what any security failures occurred, what if any procedural responses
Speaker 1: need to be changed, what what could be done? And
Speaker 1: I come from the perspective of there's not always something
Speaker 1: that could be done. Sometimes the bad guys just sometimes
Speaker 1: they get through. Sometimes evil wins the day, and this
Speaker 1: is one of those cases. So we will look at
Speaker 1: this together. If you have any thoughts, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you have anything you'd like to share with the
Speaker 1: rest of the team, I would very much like to
Speaker 1: hear from any of you out there, any of you
Speaker 1: with law enforcement background that want to weigh in. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the school, what we know about security
Speaker 1: that was in place there, and and then get into
Speaker 1: some of the discussion right now about so what now,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we turned to. What now? Eight
Speaker 1: four four five eight four buck. We have a whole
Speaker 1: lot more and uh, I'm thankful that you're with me.
Speaker 1: We'll be back. We've had approximately fourteen people transported to
Speaker 1: area hospitals with varying degrees of injuries. They are all
Speaker 1: multiple casualties, though there there are folks that have lost
Speaker 1: their lives. I don't know their number right now. It's
Speaker 1: a fluid scene. Right now, we have multiple swat teams
Speaker 1: clearing all the buildings. If anybody knows anything about Stoman
Speaker 1: Douglas High School, it's one of the biggest schools in
Speaker 1: Broward County. It's huge. It's a huge campus. So we
Speaker 1: have multiple, multiple squat teams clearing every building to make
Speaker 1: sure that there are no other shooters. Um, we have
Speaker 1: a shooter in custody. Uh. So there you have law
Speaker 1: enforcement telling us some of the background of what happened today.
Speaker 1: We are awaiting a law enforcement news conference. We will
Speaker 1: take some of that live for you here on the
Speaker 1: show once it starts. Get the the updates on what
Speaker 1: happened here. But some some key data that has added
Speaker 1: into the discussion from that law enforcement officer. First, the
Speaker 1: size of the school. This uh, this particular high school
Speaker 1: um where the mass shooting occurred today. Marjorie Stoneman Douglas
Speaker 1: High School has almost three thousand students and it has
Speaker 1: multiple buildings, so it is a very large campus. It
Speaker 1: is more the size of a college than a standard
Speaker 1: high school. It is in fact larger than the college,
Speaker 1: almost double the size of the college that I went to.
Speaker 1: So it's a big campus. Now that matters because we
Speaker 1: do know that Broward County, which is the sixth largest
Speaker 1: school district in the country, has armed security officers who
Speaker 1: are on site at high schools. So there was someone
Speaker 1: who was armed. We believe this is based on what's
Speaker 1: been reported so far, there was someone who was They're
Speaker 1: on the on the scene. But the scene is very large, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a place that you know, if
Speaker 1: you're in the wrong building. You probably had no idea
Speaker 1: initially that the shooting was going on, or maybe you
Speaker 1: heard the fire alarm that was pulled and nothing else. Um,
Speaker 1: But there was armed security. So what will come into
Speaker 1: play here, I think is where was armed security when
Speaker 1: the shooting started? Um? Was that person here or she
Speaker 1: able to respond effectively? UM? What was I'll be very
Speaker 1: interested to know what the immediate procedure was there. It
Speaker 1: could have been multiple armed personal and campus by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't know. UM. And when once we start talking
Speaker 1: about prevention of these incidents, I mean, I'm always an advocate.
Speaker 1: For sure, it's good to have uniformed officer. It creates
Speaker 1: a sense of security for the students. It's good for
Speaker 1: also students to know, you know, there's somebody walking around
Speaker 1: in authority with with with a weapon. UM. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a believer in sealed carry. Uh. In these circumstances that
Speaker 1: you know, you want to have somebody who's armed and
Speaker 1: visible on campus. And remember its campus of the size
Speaker 1: remember a three thousand, three thousand young adults here, right,
Speaker 1: and and then you add faculty into it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a substantial, substantial physical facility. So that's why
Speaker 1: having armed security, I mean, it's makes makes absolute sense.
Speaker 1: So then you'll get into Okay, well, how much armed
Speaker 1: security was there. But I'm I'm a proponent if we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about prevention, if we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: having a shot at stopping these kinds of things um
Speaker 1: or or at least catching some of them in progress
Speaker 1: and lessening the casualty count, I think concealed carry is
Speaker 1: a very very important part of the discussion. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't want the bad guys to know, or in
Speaker 1: this case, the bad guy to know who has or
Speaker 1: may have a weapon. Now, this student had familiarity with
Speaker 1: the school. He may have known exactly where and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm surmising here, I don't know this, but he may
Speaker 1: have known where that uh, that security officer, that armed
Speaker 1: personnel on campus would have been at this time of day.
Speaker 1: Or he might have gone for the building that is
Speaker 1: furthest away from that area of where we could have
Speaker 1: expected a response. It also seems that the student, uh sorry,
Speaker 1: the former student Cruise, the shooter may have engaged in
Speaker 1: the shooting and then thrown down his weapon, thrown up
Speaker 1: his hands. And because he was found and about a
Speaker 1: mile away, is that I believe it was a mile
Speaker 1: away from the school grounds roughly. He was not found
Speaker 1: on school grounds. He was caught, Yeah, he was caught
Speaker 1: in the police perimeter that they had set up that
Speaker 1: at one point I think included a walmart and and
Speaker 1: multiple facilities well beyond the school perimeter. So they created
Speaker 1: a lockdown zone. And I have to say, if law
Speaker 1: enforcement had not done that, it seems to me there's
Speaker 1: a real possibility this this shooter may have been able
Speaker 1: to walk and if they had just gone immediately to
Speaker 1: the perimeter of the school. So we actually have here,
Speaker 1: Can we go to the public safety from the bottom
Speaker 1: of my heart for your efforts out here today, UM,
Speaker 1: the FBI and the browd Sheriff's Office will be doing
Speaker 1: the crime scene investigation and the follow up to this horrific,
Speaker 1: horrific incident. As I said before, this incident and truly
Speaker 1: makes me sick to my stomach. It's it's us catastrophic
Speaker 1: the they were set and to say that the seventeen
Speaker 1: people lost their lives, uh, twelve people within the building, um,
Speaker 1: two people just outside the building, one person out on
Speaker 1: Pine Island Road, and two people lost their lives uh
Speaker 1: in the hospital. There are people that are still undergoing
Speaker 1: surgery and just Pray for this city, Pray for this school,
Speaker 1: the parents, the folks that lost their lives. It's a horrific,
Speaker 1: horrific day. Because I said before, my my triplets attend
Speaker 1: graduated from Stone Douglas High School, and uh, it's just horrible,
Speaker 1: absolutely horrible, and uh we will we We continually ask
Speaker 1: you in the media to continually put out the message
Speaker 1: if you see something, say something. If anybody has any
Speaker 1: indicator that someone's going through a behavioral change on their
Speaker 1: social media, that they were disturbing photos perhaps bombs or
Speaker 1: firearms or just you know, videos or pictures that are
Speaker 1: are are just not right, that there's something, please make
Speaker 1: sure law enforcement knows about it. We're already you could
Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter. We're gonna put out numbers where
Speaker 1: people can can possibly call and what have you. Sara
Speaker 1: phili keating Fox News. Are all of the victims, all
Speaker 1: of the wounded and fatalities students or is it a
Speaker 1: mixture of students and teachers? And can you give anything
Speaker 1: on motive? At this point we don't know because you
Speaker 1: can given to report. Can you move about keeping area?
Speaker 1: You can you go back there and do that? There
Speaker 1: was really very conscript did you get back to whether
Speaker 1: they're students teachers, a mixture of both. The mixture. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there any teachers, but there will be.
Speaker 1: You know, there's certainly students and certainly adults. I believe
Speaker 1: there will be once so our investigators are that's a
Speaker 1: great question. Our investigators is certainly began in the dissecting
Speaker 1: social media and looking at the website and the uh
Speaker 1: Nicholas at the spellers named in I K O. L. A. S.
Speaker 1: Crews was the kill. Uh. He is in custody and
Speaker 1: we've already began to began to dissect his websites and
Speaker 1: the things that social media that he was on, and
Speaker 1: some of the things have come to mind are very
Speaker 1: very disturbed. Do you have wounds injuries? He's nineteen years old. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was born in September. He was a former student
Speaker 1: of Douglas High School. Uh. He got expelled for disciplinary reasons.
Speaker 1: I don't know the specifics. I think he might have
Speaker 1: surfaced at Taravella High School. Was still trying to confirm that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this morning when he woke up, whether he was
Speaker 1: a student or not, I don't know, because the number
Speaker 1: when either had whether or not we heard that, and
Speaker 1: we have to go and do a break here. We
Speaker 1: come back. We'll continue with the Sheriff of Broward County
Speaker 1: updating us. But you heard that chilling figure. Seventeen dead
Speaker 1: in this Florida school shooting, more than were killed in Columbine.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a few minutes. He's holding the
Speaker 1: line for America, Buck Sexton his back. Well, Unfortunately, we're
Speaker 1: seeing it was much more frequency. The number of school
Speaker 1: shooting incidents just since the first of the year is
Speaker 1: astonishing and so uh the new normal in some respects.
Speaker 1: It's going to require a lot of new training in
Speaker 1: terms of how to deal with this new training. That's
Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Bratton, well known to us here in New
Speaker 1: York City. New training. How um, I don't know what
Speaker 1: training is going to do here. Really, there's already a
Speaker 1: lot of active shooter training that goes on with law enforcement.
Speaker 1: These schools have drills for evacuation shelter in place. This
Speaker 1: former student nineteen years old was expelled. We've gotten more
Speaker 1: confirmation Nicholas Cruz, the shooter void of saying alleged all
Speaker 1: the time, that's a legal, you know thing. But the
Speaker 1: shooter here, the mass murderer killed seventeen people. Likely that
Speaker 1: number will rise because over fourteen were taken to hospitals
Speaker 1: and they were shooting outside and shooting inside of the
Speaker 1: school building or school buildings, and adults as well as
Speaker 1: or teacher's faculty staff as well as students were killed
Speaker 1: by the shooter. Looks like he pulled the firelarm to
Speaker 1: get them to uh leave the high school classrooms, uh
Speaker 1: not shelter in place, try to get people out into
Speaker 1: the hallways where he would just turn it into a
Speaker 1: shooting gallery. Many of you are familiar with your own
Speaker 1: high school, laout, I'm sure it's the same here. Usually
Speaker 1: you've got straight, long hallways, not a lot of not
Speaker 1: a lot of cover and depending we don't we don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't believe we've found out what the firearm was
Speaker 1: that he used here. We don't know if it was
Speaker 1: a long gun or a handgun. UM. Some of you
Speaker 1: may be able to tell from the the on fire
Speaker 1: in the audio, but UM, I don't have that. I
Speaker 1: don't have that capability right now, So where I I
Speaker 1: can't tell you that. So we don't know. Uh. Other shootings,
Speaker 1: just by way of comparison, Columbine massacre, which really was
Speaker 1: the first in many ways, I think the first, very
Speaker 1: well known of these school shootings that got a whole
Speaker 1: national conversation started on gun control, gun violence, the so
Speaker 1: called trench coat mafia, these uh ne'er do well, evil,
Speaker 1: you know, hateful students that just wanted to kill as
Speaker 1: many people as possible. I think thirteen were killed in Columbines,
Speaker 1: so seventeen were killed in this shooting. More more people
Speaker 1: were killed by this one individual today than by the
Speaker 1: individuals the shooters in the trench coat mafia, the so
Speaker 1: called trench coat mafia, the Columbine massacre, and back in
Speaker 1: the Virginia Tech shooter at the Virginia Tech campus killed
Speaker 1: already three. So this is um a terrible day for Florida.
Speaker 1: I I wish well, we wish first and foremost this
Speaker 1: would just never happen. It does seem words come to
Speaker 1: mind like senseless and hateful and evil. Those are all accurate,
Speaker 1: but they're not in any way. They don't fulfill our
Speaker 1: need to feel like we get answers here, or we
Speaker 1: have any sense of how to how to stop the
Speaker 1: next one. It's are this is already being politicized. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what some of those arguments are. And look,
Speaker 1: it's a public policy matter, so we will have to
Speaker 1: deal with that too, But for now, it just feels
Speaker 1: like it's it's very raw and I can't imagine what
Speaker 1: the families of the seventeen killed or are going through
Speaker 1: right now. And there's just there's nothing, you know, words
Speaker 1: words fail me on this one. Folks. This is uh,
Speaker 1: this is a tough day. I appreciate many of you
Speaker 1: are calling in and I encourage you to do so
Speaker 1: and just share, just share your thoughts. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: let's all just get on the same page here. There's
Speaker 1: there's no there's no answer, there's no there's no way
Speaker 1: to bring these people back. There won't be any real
Speaker 1: justice here. Sure, this shooter might get multiple life sentences,
Speaker 1: maybe he even qualified for the death penalty, but that
Speaker 1: won't bring any of the dead back today. That's not
Speaker 1: going to save anyone. So, um, there's a hollowness to
Speaker 1: these conversations that mimics very much what it feels like
Speaker 1: after a mass casualty terrorist incident. Well, I do think
Speaker 1: that in those cases there's more of a of a
Speaker 1: of a policy discussion to be had. There's more action
Speaker 1: that can be taken with this someone who just was
Speaker 1: I've chosen the path of evil. I mean, there's social
Speaker 1: media postings now that are out there that purportedly show
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruz the shooter. He's got a lot of He's
Speaker 1: got a lot of nah wives in his hands, he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of He's got photos I believe with
Speaker 1: firearms too, though I haven't seen those, but I thinking
Speaker 1: one he's kind of taking a wolverine like posture with
Speaker 1: some folding knives in his hands. I mean, that's he's
Speaker 1: clearly uh uh. You know, it's a messed up guy.
Speaker 1: And he got expelled from his school and made threats
Speaker 1: against students. But wasn't it enough to lock him up?
Speaker 1: I'm guessing probably not. I'm guessing if you look at
Speaker 1: his record, he'd say there's no actual criminal activity before
Speaker 1: this where you could get any kind of meaningful sentence
Speaker 1: against him. And I don't know, maybe he's maybe he
Speaker 1: bought his firearms illegally. We we don't. We don't know
Speaker 1: the full extent yet of the preparations um and whether
Speaker 1: he could have been it could have gotten him. But
Speaker 1: you know, I feel uh, and I was on the
Speaker 1: I was on Fox before talking about this, and I'll
Speaker 1: be on Fox again after I finished the radio show tonight,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm gonna get the question, um, you know,
Speaker 1: And this is where I try to look at it
Speaker 1: from the prospect of the Intelligence Division of the NYPD,
Speaker 1: which yes, worked on mostly terrorism, but just also any
Speaker 1: any strategic threat to the city of New York, to
Speaker 1: its inhabitants, and to its environs is something that would
Speaker 1: fall under our purview. And we were in terms of prevention,
Speaker 1: you know, using the tools that are disposal to stop
Speaker 1: things before they happened as as much of the you know,
Speaker 1: as much on the forefront as we as we could be.
Speaker 1: And it's just very hard when you live in a
Speaker 1: society where rule of law means you can't just lock
Speaker 1: somebody up because you think they're you think they're nuts,
Speaker 1: you think they're crazy. Um, that's not enough. Usually very
Speaker 1: hard to get somebody committed to a psychiatric facility if
Speaker 1: they have especially if they haven't committed any crimes, very
Speaker 1: difficult to do. And in this and and and then
Speaker 1: you also get into, uh, you want to talk about
Speaker 1: maligning a group that you know is overwhelmingly non violent
Speaker 1: and people with mental health issue is like a depending
Speaker 1: on how you how you look at it, it's a
Speaker 1: quarter or a third of the country have a clinical medical,
Speaker 1: clinical medically diagnosable mental health issue of one kind or another. Right,
Speaker 1: I mean this, you know, mental health is like is
Speaker 1: like physical health. It spans a huge gamut, and so
Speaker 1: to talk about it as though mental health issues, it's
Speaker 1: it's insufficient. Not only are our solutions or proposed solutions
Speaker 1: to this problem insufficient, our language for discussing it isn't enough,
Speaker 1: and it just creates a frustration. A lot of the
Speaker 1: things we talked about here on the show. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, if if if we took if the government
Speaker 1: took the or in some cases we as individuals a
Speaker 1: citizens took the appropriate steps, we could make a real
Speaker 1: difference and and make things better. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is here, and I wish I did. And it'll
Speaker 1: be disheartening to see so many, especially people with large
Speaker 1: platforms and followings and politicians and people who have a
Speaker 1: responsibility the public discourse to be better than this. It'll
Speaker 1: be disheartening that they're gonna say that, Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't immediately want some kind of a gun
Speaker 1: band or you know that there a a coward and
Speaker 1: they they're bought off by the n r A. I mean,
Speaker 1: the the level of a vitriol and nastiness that is
Speaker 1: displayed after all these events against people who have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the event. They're just not in favor
Speaker 1: of policies that wouldn't that would not have prevented it,
Speaker 1: and would infringe upon rights and freedoms. You know, that's
Speaker 1: that's unfortunately become a part of the rhythm of all this.
Speaker 1: So UM, I appreciate that all of you we got,
Speaker 1: we got every line lit and I want to hear
Speaker 1: from you, so thank you very much for that. And
Speaker 1: as we take calls, just know that we'll be opening
Speaker 1: up spots for you to call in eight four, four
Speaker 1: to five. Let's let's take some of your thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: Herb in New Jersey, Herb, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: calling in good, good evening. Buck. Um, you know it's
Speaker 1: it's uh tough circumstances, my friend, I know, yeah, but um,
Speaker 1: you know, let's um let's take a concept from your
Speaker 1: motto shields high. Um. You know, the shield doesn't work
Speaker 1: unless it's held properly. And uh, I'm all for this
Speaker 1: concept that um UM based on in Local Apprentice. The
Speaker 1: same way you would want to protect your family, your
Speaker 1: children at home, UM, you would, you would expect that
Speaker 1: they would have the same protection when they're at school.
Speaker 1: So why not take a select group of volunteers, administrators, UH,
Speaker 1: support staff, and teachers, UH, screen them, train them in
Speaker 1: the proper and effective use of firearms and other defensive techniques,
Speaker 1: and turn them into a school based active shooter response team,
Speaker 1: just like you do a q RT in the police.
Speaker 1: Well you know her, but I well, one of the
Speaker 1: one of the facts that comes to mind right away
Speaker 1: about this particular shooting that's different from some other instances
Speaker 1: is that they're there are as far as I understand it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get more information. There are armed personnel
Speaker 1: on the campus. So are there enough? You can have
Speaker 1: two or three, but on a campus that big and
Speaker 1: that far reaching, are they really enough? Well? That's that
Speaker 1: was exactly the point. That's why I said, I don't
Speaker 1: know the full square footage, but I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: doing more research here to figure out what we're dealing
Speaker 1: with them. When you're talking about multiple buildings and three
Speaker 1: thousand students. I mean, you know, that's that's a huge
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's like a college campus. That's a
Speaker 1: college size campus. And so shooting, and assuming that this
Speaker 1: occurred mostly in one building and then outside and on
Speaker 1: the street, if you weren't in that building and nearby
Speaker 1: at the time of the shooting, now you're just talking about, um,
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to agree her mitigating casualties, you're
Speaker 1: certainly not able to stop all casualties. Well, of course,
Speaker 1: that's it's always gonna be the case. Look, the shooter
Speaker 1: is always going to get the first shot off. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just the nature of the beast. Uh. The question
Speaker 1: then becomes just how far do you allow it to continue?
Speaker 1: And if there's no shields to stop it, then it's
Speaker 1: going to continue un mercilessly until shields do arrive. Look,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with you. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: think that I think the shields that are hidden, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna continue with the metaphor here, are oftentimes even
Speaker 1: more effective because that just puts the shooter in a
Speaker 1: very different you know, the bad guy here in a
Speaker 1: very different mindset to not know you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's one thing. If the guy wearing the uniform
Speaker 1: and walking around with a with a glock on his hip,
Speaker 1: you know that if you you know that guy is
Speaker 1: not around, well then you know you're probably the clear
Speaker 1: because I'm assuming the school is a gun free zone, right,
Speaker 1: But if you know Mr Mr Smith across the hallway
Speaker 1: who teaches geometry actually has got a you know, a
Speaker 1: three eight auto on them or something, I mean, you've
Speaker 1: actually you've got something you can work with. Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: if it's made very clear that this school is protected
Speaker 1: by an active shooter response team, I think there would
Speaker 1: be a lot fewer attempts made because shooters are by
Speaker 1: definition towards Yeah, I look at that may. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to talk solutions as much as possible, and
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that I can think of that
Speaker 1: would that would help in these situations. Herb that that's
Speaker 1: a that's an actual policy that could be implemented, right,
Speaker 1: an entire gun band and thank you for calling it
Speaker 1: her from New Jersey. Um. And you know, and an
Speaker 1: all out ban is just not it's just not feasible.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. Um, even if the government try.
Speaker 1: First of all, the government tried to make it happen.
Speaker 1: The CONSEQT with the ramifications of that alone would be frightening,
Speaker 1: as I think everyone knows, um and short of an
Speaker 1: all out band, you know, stopping. We don't even know
Speaker 1: what this guy used yet, and there's people already who
Speaker 1: are out there, and we're gonna you know that the
Speaker 1: politics of this is what we'll talk about more in
Speaker 1: the second hour of the show. I just want to
Speaker 1: get on the details. And as I mentioned before, seventeen
Speaker 1: dead in this Florida school shooting and dozens it appears
Speaker 1: dozens wounded. We don't know the full number just yet.
Speaker 1: UM at least fourteen taken two hospitals in the area.
Speaker 1: Two died at the hospital, so we we could lose more.
Speaker 1: We don't know. The shooter is in custody. The shooter
Speaker 1: has been identified as Nicholas Cruz, nineteen years old, expelled
Speaker 1: from the Douglas High School here down in Florida, in
Speaker 1: Broward County, and you know, has a social media profile
Speaker 1: of somebody who who is disturbed. That's that's clear, he's disturbed.
Speaker 1: They knew this guy was bad news. What do you do?
Speaker 1: Eight four to five, We're gonna continue our discussion of this. Folks,
Speaker 1: thank you for being here with me. I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: We're still covering breaking events here in the aftermath of
Speaker 1: a shooting at a school, the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High
Speaker 1: School in Broward County in Florida. Seventeen killed, more wounded. UM,
Speaker 1: the sheriff is now I'm now seeing Oh gosh, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying this alert right now? Do you see this? Uh?
Speaker 1: Suspect had an a R fifteen and multiple magazines. So
Speaker 1: we have a process in place that gets initiated, so
Speaker 1: there's calm, collected care that our patients received. Can you
Speaker 1: tell us anything about the fatalities at least their ages?
Speaker 1: Do they do you believe their students, possibly people that
Speaker 1: were working at the school. We prefer not to comment
Speaker 1: on our patients and respect for our patients. Should we
Speaker 1: talk about just personally, I mean, seeing the sort of
Speaker 1: thing knowing that they I mean just as human beings
Speaker 1: outside to these doctors, you know, treating these people who
Speaker 1: have come in here after experiencing what it's not the
Speaker 1: worst event of their lives, and you know, having the
Speaker 1: responsibility of treating these people and you know, ensuring the
Speaker 1: best outcome that they can have. I mean, how does
Speaker 1: that affect you all? Um, just as human needs. Well,
Speaker 1: we will do this every day. So what we saw
Speaker 1: today we have penetrating triala not penetrative troublem level to
Speaker 1: trauma center and that's what we're doing every day. And
Speaker 1: so fortunately for everybody, we were located very close to
Speaker 1: the high school where this shooting happened. So unfortunately for everybody,
Speaker 1: they brought the statis to our hospital and we were
Speaker 1: able to do a great job to to do the
Speaker 1: right thing. You um, the suspect was brought here. I
Speaker 1: know you can't say much about some of the trauma
Speaker 1: surgence of the jus there's a medical condition or whatever.
Speaker 1: But for for a lot of people at home, you know,
Speaker 1: they might be surprised that the suspect was being brought
Speaker 1: he how do you guys kick in the epocratic oaths
Speaker 1: and do your job and knowing witness guy's intentionally is
Speaker 1: accused of Every patient that comes in gets treated as
Speaker 1: a patient and we take care of them medically, and
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Was there any particular reason why
Speaker 1: he was brought to this facility versus one of your
Speaker 1: other facilities in the hospital system because of the occasionally
Speaker 1: they have to go to the nearest probal facility and
Speaker 1: we were the nearest Caber facility. Is this the biggest
Speaker 1: mash of passion for you can remember Quota hospital? Yes,
Speaker 1: and you're expecting worn victims. We cannot combient you can?
Speaker 1: Can you tell us if it was a large caliber
Speaker 1: small caliber? I mean if you elaborate on a cotton
Speaker 1: l do you know the update on conditions for what
Speaker 1: the other hospitals the patients are right now? But the
Speaker 1: six pas we've got our stroll here whatever, uh you know,
Speaker 1: are any And I'm still in surgery that decurgeries go
Speaker 1: on after the inter we still have three patios and
Speaker 1: the operatings over it all there in the industries under
Speaker 1: some kind of surgery can describe what those assumes are,
Speaker 1: I guess not as serious and being supports. Their demeanor
Speaker 1: was like I mean, I know it's obvious to describe
Speaker 1: it for us. Well, I mean, I prefer not to
Speaker 1: comment on a specific patients demeanor, but you know, as
Speaker 1: a human being, you could imagine um that they would
Speaker 1: uh huh be being shocked or you know, be emotional
Speaker 1: about the whole situation. You describe you think that coming
Speaker 1: in partiament. I think they've asked the doctors all that.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean the press questions that are
Speaker 1: not able to the doctors are not able to Can
Speaker 1: you walk through what's the next for these patients, specifically
Speaker 1: the three and critical food stable in their in terms
Speaker 1: of services iderstand chaplains are now here? Are you gotta
Speaker 1: have successful argers, They're gonna re covery, They're gonna go home,
Speaker 1: Thanks very much. Alright, So we had a press conference
Speaker 1: there with some of the trauma experts at a nearby hospital,
Speaker 1: and as you heard one of the doctors say, lucky
Speaker 1: that was so close to the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School.
Speaker 1: Because you know, seconds count in in trauma situations like this,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into um, so we're gonna continue to
Speaker 1: cover this coming up for the next hours and say
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into more of this. He's back with
Speaker 1: you now, because when it comes to the fight for truth,
Speaker 1: the fuck never stops. There was set to say that
Speaker 1: seventeen people lost their lives. Uh, the twelve people within
Speaker 1: the building, yeah, uh, two people just outside the building,
Speaker 1: one person out on Pine Island Road. And two people
Speaker 1: lost their lives in the hospital. There are people that
Speaker 1: are still undergoing surgery. And just pray for this city,
Speaker 1: Pray for this school, the parents, the folks that lost
Speaker 1: their lives. It's a horrific, horrific day. That's a sheriff
Speaker 1: down in Broward County giving us a sense of just
Speaker 1: what what happened today? What what this mass shooting with
Speaker 1: the death count is so far, it is a UM,
Speaker 1: it's a tough day for the country, really bad day
Speaker 1: for the state of Florida, and a tragic and life
Speaker 1: altering one for the families of those families of those
Speaker 1: killed and the families of the wounded as well. UM.
Speaker 1: Just to give you a sense of where this stands
Speaker 1: in terms of US school shootings. In the Columbine shooting,
Speaker 1: thirteen were killed. I believe that includes the two the
Speaker 1: two shooters in that number, although I'm not sure. Today
Speaker 1: in Florida, in Parkland, you have seventeen dead so far,
Speaker 1: and you had eighteen killed back in nineteen sixty six
Speaker 1: at the University of Texas. Twenty seven were killed at
Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. In twenty twelve, and
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, in Virginia Tech, you had
Speaker 1: thirty thirty two killed. Columbine was thirteen. Thank you, a
Speaker 1: producer might just made sure that my stats were correct.
Speaker 1: Column was thirteen not including the shooters. Thirty uh two
Speaker 1: students one teacher. Twelve students, one teacher is what we
Speaker 1: have in in Columbine. Yeah, so the deadliest ever was
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech in two thousand and seven. So far, um,
Speaker 1: this is this is a tough day for the country,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately it's already very much being politicized, which this
Speaker 1: follows an all too familiar script. We understand what happens now,
Speaker 1: you will have some sense of universal sympathy and outpouring
Speaker 1: of support from the American people for those in the
Speaker 1: in the Browered community and Brower County community, and and
Speaker 1: then for the folks who were directly affected by this.
Speaker 1: But then this will turn into a political fight and
Speaker 1: and it just and it gets into a really nasty
Speaker 1: one too, because on the one side of it you
Speaker 1: tend to have individuals who seem to believe that those
Speaker 1: on the other side don't really want to address the
Speaker 1: problem or don't want to make this go away. There
Speaker 1: no such thing as a as a constituency that exists
Speaker 1: this country that does not want to end school shootings,
Speaker 1: and we are all on the same page when it
Speaker 1: comes to that. It's just a question of what's feasible
Speaker 1: to do in response, and also what the costs would
Speaker 1: be and whether it would be effective. So can we
Speaker 1: do it, should we do it? What's the cost of
Speaker 1: doing it? Those are the questions when you want to
Speaker 1: look at trying to address something like this was very,
Speaker 1: very difficult to do. You had Senator Chris Murphy of
Speaker 1: Connecticut who was pushing for gun control immediately after, I
Speaker 1: mean with with within within hours. I mean it was
Speaker 1: right away. It might have even sooner than that, within minutes,
Speaker 1: excuse me, within minutes of the shooting, senator from Connecticut's
Speaker 1: pushing gun control. Turn on your television right now. You're
Speaker 1: gonna see scenes of children running for their lives. This
Speaker 1: happens nowhere else other than the United States of America,
Speaker 1: this epidemic of mass slaughter. We are responsible for a
Speaker 1: level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with
Speaker 1: zero parallel anywhere else. Uh, it's wrong that this doesn't
Speaker 1: happen anywhere else. It actually has happened, and including in
Speaker 1: very developed, in otherwise safe European countries. There have been
Speaker 1: mass school shootings. There was a very well known school
Speaker 1: shooting in Scottland. This is just off the top of
Speaker 1: my head. I'm not I haven't even pulled the research
Speaker 1: on this yet. We had there was one in Scotland.
Speaker 1: There was one in Germany. I think even I was
Speaker 1: thinking was a preschool um. There was the Anders Brave
Speaker 1: Vick shooting in Norway that was at a camp but
Speaker 1: just mass slaughter of young people at a camp um.
Speaker 1: So this does happen elsewhere. Now that that, I just
Speaker 1: don't know why. If we're gonna have a discussion about it,
Speaker 1: and you're a United States senator, you're supposed to know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I don't know why they have
Speaker 1: to make stuff up. I don't know why it's okay
Speaker 1: to fabricate things as part of this discussion. But they'll
Speaker 1: say it is that they will get past the facts
Speaker 1: right away. They're in They're in a post fact debate
Speaker 1: pattern here that they're emotionalizing the moment, using this as
Speaker 1: a means of trying to advance a an agenda of
Speaker 1: of gun control. Look, if I really believe that any
Speaker 1: of the measures that are talked about after these school
Speaker 1: shootings would would reliably and realistically stop school shootings. I
Speaker 1: would be very open minded to it, if not outright
Speaker 1: in favor of it, I just know it won't and
Speaker 1: the facts, the statistics, and logic all back up my position.
Speaker 1: And on the other side of it, this has become,
Speaker 1: unfortunately a debate that really doesn't have all that much
Speaker 1: to do with guns. And this is why you see
Speaker 1: the nastiness that the progressive left in this country. The
Speaker 1: Democrat Party opposes guns as on the one side, a
Speaker 1: massive exercise in virtue signaling they're the good people who
Speaker 1: don't who don't want any more violence to continue. And
Speaker 1: also their opposition to guns and the Second Amendment as
Speaker 1: a general proposition is really opposition to the kinds of
Speaker 1: people who are legal, lawful, law abiding gun owners. They
Speaker 1: have a disdain for those in this country who are
Speaker 1: believers and supporters of and those who actually practice there
Speaker 1: right to bear arms, engage in their right to bear arms.
Speaker 1: So it's opposition to guns in the political context is
Speaker 1: really opposition to gun owners. And that's why you have
Speaker 1: idiot celebrities who will tweet things after an incident like this,
Speaker 1: and I saw this one today. You know, the n
Speaker 1: r A is a terrorist organization. The Interay has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with this, and it's reckless and irresponsible to
Speaker 1: say that they to to even bring it up in
Speaker 1: the context of a shooting like this. Um, there are
Speaker 1: some other gun control options that I'm sure they'll be
Speaker 1: putting out there. Oh, they'll talk about background checks. I
Speaker 1: need the background checks will certainly come up as well.
Speaker 1: We all to say enough is enough. Uh. The question is,
Speaker 1: once you get into the investigation, how did the shooter
Speaker 1: obtain the weapon? Was it a high caliber weapon? Was
Speaker 1: it obtained lawfully? And if so, that ought to have
Speaker 1: people to start thinking about such things as background checks
Speaker 1: on the purchase sub a gun and the question of
Speaker 1: an assault rifle if in fact this is I don't
Speaker 1: know those details. So there's a Senator Nelson of Florida
Speaker 1: and he is saying things like is it a high
Speaker 1: caliber weapon? I don't even know what he what he
Speaker 1: thinks he's saying there, really, I guess, I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: he's referring to whether it was a rifle versus a pistol.
Speaker 1: But as you all know, because this is an audience
Speaker 1: that is very familiar with firearms and and and weaponry.
Speaker 1: Thirty eight will kill you the same way that you know, uh,
Speaker 1: two to three will kill you, the same way that
Speaker 1: a seven six two will kill you the same I
Speaker 1: mean this is this is not really a relevant means
Speaker 1: of trying to address the problem, but they'll bring it up.
Speaker 1: They'll talk about it nonetheless. The notion of a background check. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this nineteen year old who was expelled from school,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he bought his gun legally or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he stole his gun. So we
Speaker 1: can't really address that question here. But we already do
Speaker 1: have background checks in this country. There's a national Instant
Speaker 1: background check system NICKS. It's called the NIX system is
Speaker 1: in place. People will say it's not perfect, but it
Speaker 1: works most of the time, and we have background checks,
Speaker 1: so they want to do more background checks. It doesn't
Speaker 1: appear to me to be the case that would do anything.
Speaker 1: It's worth noting that in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting,
Speaker 1: that shooter stole his gun from a family member, so
Speaker 1: the background check there didn't really have any particular meeting
Speaker 1: because it wasn't the gun wasn't bought, purchased, or owned
Speaker 1: by the person who might have failed the background check.
Speaker 1: So that's there. Yeah, I mean this. I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: them to come up with something that is applicable here
Speaker 1: that actually might have done something. Um, you had Jake
Speaker 1: Tapper at CNN offering this up. You know, I'm old
Speaker 1: enough to remember when images of twelve and fourteen year
Speaker 1: olds walking out of schools with their arms in the
Speaker 1: air because there's an active shooter situation didn't happen and
Speaker 1: show up on my TV every week or two. What
Speaker 1: do you say to the parents out there who are
Speaker 1: frustrated and who say, Senator Nelson, we thank you for
Speaker 1: your thoughts and prayers, but we actually need more than
Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers. This is a crisis in this country,
Speaker 1: crisis to be dealt with. How crisis that we can
Speaker 1: respond to in what way? Um, that's what needs to
Speaker 1: be answered here. We all understand it's a crisis. Well
Speaker 1: understand it's terrible, it's tragic. I will be updating you
Speaker 1: with the latest here right after this break. We we
Speaker 1: know now that the sheriff has Ah has confirmed that
Speaker 1: it was the shooter had an a R fifteen and
Speaker 1: multiple magazines, and that's what was used in the shooting.
Speaker 1: And we know that. Let's now well, well we'll look
Speaker 1: at what else we can put together here. I'm very
Speaker 1: curious to hear your thoughts. I welcome your thoughts. A
Speaker 1: better way to put it on what happened today. I
Speaker 1: don't have the answer. I don't know anybody who does,
Speaker 1: but it's certainly something we have to talk about and
Speaker 1: think about and reflect on. Eight four four nine hundred
Speaker 1: two eight to five eight four four nine hundred buck.
Speaker 1: We will be back right after this break. We had
Speaker 1: countless magazines, are multiple magazines, and at this point we
Speaker 1: believe we had one a R fifteen rifle. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he had a second Leacond. Right, So you
Speaker 1: have the sheriff saying he had a lot of magazines
Speaker 1: in our fifteen Air fifteen rifle on him. You can
Speaker 1: you can bet that this will soon become a discussion
Speaker 1: about a national assault rifle ban. Um, that's going to
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be where the the press
Speaker 1: takes this. I'm seeing on seeing lots of pictures of
Speaker 1: the Air fifteen is you know, Air fifteen is a
Speaker 1: very popular rifle. Millions of them are owned across the country. UM,
Speaker 1: and now they're listing all the places where it was used.
Speaker 1: Park Land today, the Southern Springs, Texas shooting, the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas shooting, the Pulse Nightclub shooting, San Bernardino, Sandy Hook,
Speaker 1: and Aurora, Colorado all used the a R fifteen. They
Speaker 1: are building a case right now in real time for
Speaker 1: an assault weapons ban. I know a lot of you
Speaker 1: would probably call in or email me and tell me
Speaker 1: an assault weapon is a made up term, I know,
Speaker 1: but legally they have actually instituted assault weapons bands in
Speaker 1: certain states as well as at the federal level previously,
Speaker 1: and they describe it as and they go through the
Speaker 1: characteristics as you know, of what it is. Some of
Speaker 1: them are cosmetic, but it is now a legally describable category,
Speaker 1: even if it's not really a firearm category. UM. But
Speaker 1: that's where we are. Shane and bel Air, Ohio. Shane
Speaker 1: is a school teacher. Hey, Shane, Hey, how's it going back?
Speaker 1: It's all right, Mann, thank you for calling. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to weigh in on uh. I know. One
Speaker 1: of the issues that we deal with in Bellaire, Ohio
Speaker 1: is a fact of funding for resource officers that are
Speaker 1: able to be in the buildings and the response time
Speaker 1: of our local police to be able to get to
Speaker 1: the schools. You know, one of the things I don't
Speaker 1: know that you're ever going to completely stop the nut
Speaker 1: jobs out there that are coming across and you know,
Speaker 1: trying to take out soft targets. But the best thing
Speaker 1: we can do is try to eliminate the response, you know,
Speaker 1: minimize the response time. And I know that several of
Speaker 1: the districts in southeastern Ohio have actually started arming their
Speaker 1: teachers and even posting out in the front about their
Speaker 1: teachers are armed, don't come into our school. What do
Speaker 1: you as a as as a teacher yourself, what do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Do you think teacher should be armed? Well,
Speaker 1: it's I think that there are a hand I don't
Speaker 1: think that every teacher is, you know, capable of handling
Speaker 1: a firearm, but I think that there's a select few individuals,
Speaker 1: you know, that are out there that are willing to
Speaker 1: take on that task to protect the students. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's my job as a teacher, to try to
Speaker 1: protect my students as best I can. Walking ourselves in
Speaker 1: a room isn't exactly cutting it, you know, we're just
Speaker 1: we're sitting ducks there, you know, to be able to
Speaker 1: take a stance, to be able to defend our students
Speaker 1: and eliminate the again, minimize the response time. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I aggreciate. I want to ask you though about because
Speaker 1: you would I assume this is something you'd be somewhat
Speaker 1: familiar with if you have a student who is I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering what the procedures are. I'm sure they very
Speaker 1: state to state. But if you have a student that
Speaker 1: you think is really disturbed, you know, I mean, you
Speaker 1: have a student that you think is you know, torturing
Speaker 1: animals on the weekends and do it, you know, and
Speaker 1: and posting videos that are are really making you think
Speaker 1: he's violent, has violent attempt, but hasn't broken the law. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously torturing animals, we're breaking law. But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I mean, you've got somebody who,
Speaker 1: as you think, is sick in the head and and
Speaker 1: as a and as a danger, but hasn't yet actually
Speaker 1: broken the law. As a teacher, what are your obligations
Speaker 1: and what are your resources? What could you actually do well?
Speaker 1: In our school district, we have, uh, several different things
Speaker 1: in place to be able to attend to that situation. One,
Speaker 1: we have a student Services that if we start to
Speaker 1: recognize those things. I'm a mandated reporter in the state
Speaker 1: of behind Us. So anything that I noticed in in
Speaker 1: that type of situation, I have to report to my
Speaker 1: superiors and also to you know, if it's a in
Speaker 1: a result of a child protective situation, I have to
Speaker 1: call the CPS and notify them. In the case that
Speaker 1: you're describing, you know, obviously I would bring my concerns
Speaker 1: to student services and see if the counselor down there
Speaker 1: would be able to work through that. And obviously we
Speaker 1: would be discussing that in our building leadership teams talking
Speaker 1: about you know, we need to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: this kid, he's been acting this way, and you know,
Speaker 1: identify those kids so that you know, we can keep
Speaker 1: an eye on those types of things. So there's there's
Speaker 1: reporting procedures in place, but you know what, what do
Speaker 1: they do with it. Let let's say a high school
Speaker 1: aged kid that everyone thinks is is a risk, but
Speaker 1: can't be incarcerated because he hasn't broken the law. I'm
Speaker 1: just one. I mean, it sounds to me like your
Speaker 1: report they can know, but not much that they mean,
Speaker 1: they can kick him out of the school. They kicked
Speaker 1: this guy today who's the shooter, out of the school.
Speaker 1: But then where does he go? Yeah, and that's a
Speaker 1: very good situation. The exact thing actually has made national
Speaker 1: news in our our little town of Belair. Uh a
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Nathan Brooks back in I
Speaker 1: believe you know, all the teachers saw warning signs. They
Speaker 1: reported it. The kid was just off his rocker, and
Speaker 1: he ended up going home and the potating one of
Speaker 1: his parents and stabbing the other one multiple times. And
Speaker 1: he's got a lifelong sentence. You know, what do you do?
Speaker 1: You know, teachers knew that it was going to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was he was going to take
Speaker 1: out several more students, but ended up turning himself in.
Speaker 1: What do you do is in that situation, you know,
Speaker 1: our hands are kind of tied. But Shane, can I
Speaker 1: just ask you to teacher? I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever been around this yourself, but
Speaker 1: you feel like you know, you know when you know
Speaker 1: when a kid's a threat. I mean, you have a
Speaker 1: pretty good sense of it. Yeah, there's there's definitely you know,
Speaker 1: just things you know, if you pay attention to your
Speaker 1: you know your surroundings and the people around you. You know,
Speaker 1: just even when you go to a restaurant, you just
Speaker 1: kind of know where to sit and who's acting funny.
Speaker 1: As a teacher, you know that second nature you pick
Speaker 1: up on those types of things, and that's you're burying
Speaker 1: your head in the sand. You'd have to be an
Speaker 1: idiot not to. Yeah, I mean I figured that. I
Speaker 1: figured you have a good sense of who's you know,
Speaker 1: who may be a problem, who's not um And look,
Speaker 1: I'm sure most of the kids you deal with the
Speaker 1: really nice kids, but you know, I'm obviously there's there
Speaker 1: are rare they're they're there are rare exceptions here and there,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm sure you're attuned to that. Shane,
Speaker 1: thank you for calling in and sharing a an educator's
Speaker 1: point of view on this. I really appreciate it. Shields High. Uh,
Speaker 1: we got more calls in on this one, and we'll
Speaker 1: be taking them. So they're gonna go for the Uh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go for a RS. I think that's that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Next. We're gonna say there needs to
Speaker 1: be a ban on sale of new air fifteens. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're gonna push for all the Florida is pretty pretty
Speaker 1: strong on gun rights. They may try something there, but
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll get very far on a magazine
Speaker 1: limitation or something. But this, it's gonna be the same
Speaker 1: exact playbook, the same storyline, the same political fight that
Speaker 1: we saw after Newtown and some of these other incidents. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we'll see um. I think that this is the
Speaker 1: first time also that Trump has really had to way
Speaker 1: in while he's the president. While he's uh as in
Speaker 1: the United States, weigh in on whether or not there's
Speaker 1: gonna be anything that comes from a legislative side here. Um.
Speaker 1: And by the way, in the third hour, we're gonna
Speaker 1: switch up topics because it's only so long. I think
Speaker 1: I can handle this before it's just too much. We'll
Speaker 1: be back other shows. Just talk at you in the
Speaker 1: Freedom Mud. We have a mission. We fight for the
Speaker 1: truth in a team effort and buck us back with
Speaker 1: our next play. Thanks for staying with me, everyone. We
Speaker 1: are bringing you breaking news here on this school shoot
Speaker 1: footing in Florida, and we have seventeen dead thus far
Speaker 1: as expected. The number will likely climb higher than that,
Speaker 1: given that there were over fourteen people taking to the
Speaker 1: hospital somewhere dead on arrival at the scene when police
Speaker 1: arrived at the scene, so we are waiting to see
Speaker 1: if that casualty account goes higher. We know one shooter
Speaker 1: identified as a Nicholas Cruise, nineteen years old former student,
Speaker 1: and looks like he started shooting outside the building, came
Speaker 1: into building, pulled the fire alarm, and then turned to
Speaker 1: turn the hallway of one of these buildings at the
Speaker 1: Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida into a kill zone.
Speaker 1: And there were armed security personnel at the school, though
Speaker 1: not clear how many or how close they were to
Speaker 1: the initial incident, and they then created a perimeter and
Speaker 1: the shooter was captured off school ground, so he almost
Speaker 1: got away. So we'll be looking more at the response
Speaker 1: with this. But I wanted to note that there are
Speaker 1: already stories that are coming out from eyewitnesses, people who
Speaker 1: were there during this horrific event. I there are stories
Speaker 1: of of heroism as well. I mean, it certainly is
Speaker 1: reassuring to have all of our law enforcement personnel on
Speaker 1: the scene and doing everything they can to tend to
Speaker 1: the people there, and also first responders, and you even
Speaker 1: heard from some of the surgeons who were trying to
Speaker 1: save lives of the wounded. But there were some there
Speaker 1: were some heroics as well during this incident, including uh
Speaker 1: Is believed by a teacher. Here's the first person account
Speaker 1: of how one teacher responded during the shooting. We all
Speaker 1: got upstairs and into our classrooms, and when he tried
Speaker 1: to unlock the door, me and a couple other people
Speaker 1: ran in, and as he was closing the door, he
Speaker 1: was actually shot and killed right there. And the door
Speaker 1: was left open the whole time, so as he walked by,
Speaker 1: the door was open. He could have walked in at
Speaker 1: any time, and we just had to be as quiet
Speaker 1: as possible. So he he ran back to open the
Speaker 1: classroom for you guys so you could be safe. Apparently,
Speaker 1: So when we ran in, yeah, he was about to
Speaker 1: close the door to the door after they had gotten
Speaker 1: back in. He was trying to lock the door to
Speaker 1: keep the students safe. And before he had a chance
Speaker 1: to close and lock the door, that's when he got shot.
Speaker 1: So a teacher was killed trying to lock the doors
Speaker 1: so the students inside would be safe. Oh man, So heroism,
Speaker 1: but heroism that ended in the you know, the life
Speaker 1: of the hero lost in the circumstances. Look, it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a very it's a very tough day for
Speaker 1: the country. There's no there's no words that we can
Speaker 1: say here that will that will change any of that.
Speaker 1: And we're just giving you the details as they come
Speaker 1: out a R fifteen multiple Maggazines. Political debate is already
Speaker 1: it's already begun. I mean, I almost hesitate to tell
Speaker 1: you what's what some of the stuff that's being said
Speaker 1: on on social media right now, just because it's always
Speaker 1: a bit of a shock how how hateful people can be.
Speaker 1: After something like this happens, you would think that there's
Speaker 1: a normal, decent human impulse to just toned down the
Speaker 1: nasty rhetoric and the name calling and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But now you get a lot of a lot of people,
Speaker 1: including those with big platforms and and large followings, who
Speaker 1: will be saying that this is the fault of those
Speaker 1: who support the Second Amendment, this is the fault of
Speaker 1: gun owners, this is you know, any number of things,
Speaker 1: and that's that's not constructive at all, as we know,
Speaker 1: it's it's reckless and it's irresponsible. And yeah, by the
Speaker 1: way the gunman was we have more information of the
Speaker 1: gun was wearing a gas mask and may have had
Speaker 1: smoke bombs on him as well. So it seems now
Speaker 1: we have a gunman wearing a gas mask with an
Speaker 1: a R fifteen, multiple magazines, and they believe he may
Speaker 1: have been carrying smoke bombs too. I would note that
Speaker 1: the footage of the shooter when we saw him being
Speaker 1: taken into custody, the footage showed him without any It
Speaker 1: didn't seem to get any tactical gear anything on him.
Speaker 1: So he may and this is just my analysis, this
Speaker 1: is not confirmed. It seems to me that he may
Speaker 1: have shed his gear and tried to uh and tried
Speaker 1: to escape on foot without the stuff, or maybe he
Speaker 1: was shot and in exchange with law enforcement and then they,
Speaker 1: you know, he dropped his rifle. Then I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it didn't seem like he was in the photos.
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like he had anything like a flak
Speaker 1: vest or a tactical vest on. Certainly didn't see any
Speaker 1: smoke grenades attached to him. Looked like he was just
Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt. Uh. We had this nineteen year
Speaker 1: old Nicholas Cruz, who's in he's in custod he's alive.
Speaker 1: And here we are. We have had eighteen school shooting
Speaker 1: so far this year. That's a number you're gonna be
Speaker 1: hearing a lot. Eighteen school shootings and about a hundred
Speaker 1: a hundred and fourteen, is that right, Mike? From starting?
Speaker 1: A hundred fourteen school shootings total since Sandy Hook in twelve, well,
Speaker 1: one forty two I'm sorry, one forty two, hundred forty
Speaker 1: two shootings since Sandy Hook, So you're averaging. Let's see
Speaker 1: here you've got since twelve, so six years, and in
Speaker 1: six years you've had a hundred forty two school shootings.
Speaker 1: So you know you're you're looking at a little over
Speaker 1: twenty over twenty year between twenty and thirty a year,
Speaker 1: let's say, let's call it. And you've had eight team
Speaker 1: so far this year. So this has been a particularly
Speaker 1: bad year so far for school shootings, and we may
Speaker 1: have to get into a national discussion about whether there's
Speaker 1: a just this is a copycat effect at work, that
Speaker 1: the disaffected, the the angry, the evil, those who for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, have it's even tough to get in the
Speaker 1: psychology of this and how how someone could ever be
Speaker 1: so so angry, so hateful, so vengeful, so completely lacking
Speaker 1: in any consideration or or a thought for his fellow
Speaker 1: human beings going to a school and just start shooting
Speaker 1: much innocent people. It really defies imagination. It's hard to
Speaker 1: think of how somebody gets to that point, and yet
Speaker 1: it is something that happens with some ah some frequency. Now, um, anyway,
Speaker 1: I wonder if you have any thoughts on this, folks.
Speaker 1: I know we've had a lot of calls coming in
Speaker 1: and out throughout the show. Do you think that there's
Speaker 1: a I think there's an Do you think something has changed?
Speaker 1: Has this gotten worse? Is this just our perception of
Speaker 1: it is because of the reporting of it, or are
Speaker 1: we in the midst of a a school shooting wave
Speaker 1: that has gone from being a very unfortunate fact of
Speaker 1: of life in this country to being an epidemic. Is
Speaker 1: there a sense of additional urgency because of the scale
Speaker 1: of the emergency here and and the speed with which
Speaker 1: these incidents are happening. I don't have answers to those questions,
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if you have thoughts on it or
Speaker 1: just anything that you want to share with with everybody
Speaker 1: listening about you know, what do we do now? What
Speaker 1: are we? What are we to make of this? Eight
Speaker 1: four four n eight to five on the lines eight
Speaker 1: four four nine bucks. I am going to tell you
Speaker 1: right now, I can't really, you know, it just becomes
Speaker 1: emotionally and psychologically taxing to delve into this for the
Speaker 1: full three hours, and the next hour we're gonna change out.
Speaker 1: We've got some guests joining, We're gonna change up topics.
Speaker 1: If I have important breaking news, I will share it
Speaker 1: with you, but we will we'll move on to some
Speaker 1: other things in the third hour of the show. I
Speaker 1: just I don't think it's helpful or useful for us
Speaker 1: to go beyond the analysis that we have already. We've
Speaker 1: already been engaging in here for the third hour um
Speaker 1: and again lines lines are open. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: So no updates yet on any more casualties from this
Speaker 1: mass shooting in Parkland floor to the school shooting. Shooters
Speaker 1: and custody identified as Nicholas Cruz and wore a gas mask,
Speaker 1: had an a R fifteen. Multiple magazines pulled the alarm
Speaker 1: as he entered the building. He entered shooting, he had
Speaker 1: already shot people outside and then shot as many as
Speaker 1: he could inside. I'm wondering, you know, we we don't
Speaker 1: yet know, um, what exactly circumstances were of his capture
Speaker 1: because he's in the hospital. What do we know if
Speaker 1: he was shot? Was he We don't he was not shot, right,
Speaker 1: We don't know. I mean, if he was taking the hospital,
Speaker 1: I mean he oh, it's it's just yeah, it's well,
Speaker 1: So we don't know. He might have just been taken
Speaker 1: because he's being taken to the hospital to see but
Speaker 1: they also may have been taken because he was shot.
Speaker 1: But see, if he was just taken there, he didn't
Speaker 1: seem like he was from the video, like he was
Speaker 1: bleeding out or anything. So that strikes me as I
Speaker 1: think he shed all of his gear and thought he
Speaker 1: was going to get away with the rest of the students,
Speaker 1: and then they finally some of the students knew who
Speaker 1: he was, and they they gave a description and they
Speaker 1: finally got him. I mean, the cops got him. Um,
Speaker 1: but I want to know how the apprehension happened. We
Speaker 1: have really very little information right now about how they
Speaker 1: actually apprehended the the mass shooter here and oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: all these this is one of these things. This is
Speaker 1: the It's terrible just thinking about the casualties, the families,
Speaker 1: what these kids went through. We have audio of the
Speaker 1: actual shooting, kids screaming um. But then you also have
Speaker 1: all these you know, young people afterwards who are just
Speaker 1: a lot of them are are literally in shock, and
Speaker 1: they are in a state of shock. And then they
Speaker 1: come together and start sharing stories and people will be
Speaker 1: telling what their first hand experiences were of their shooting,
Speaker 1: and you'll hear it and you'll see it. And I
Speaker 1: know there were kids who were in closets, tweet hiding
Speaker 1: in closets and hiding under desks, who are sending messages
Speaker 1: to their parents during the shooting. It's it's just terrifying.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't you know, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine. Um. Here we are not a lot of
Speaker 1: not a lot of solutions, folks, not a lot of
Speaker 1: takeaways from this that would be I think that would
Speaker 1: be helpful or realistic in terms of stopping the next one.
Speaker 1: But let's see what you all think. Felix in Pennsylvania, Felix,
Speaker 1: always good to talk to you, my friend. What do
Speaker 1: you think? All right? Buck. You know, I'm fifty eight
Speaker 1: years old, okay, And as I reached back with my memory,
Speaker 1: I just do not recall there being these mass shootings
Speaker 1: years ago. Prior to column bind whenever you had shootings,
Speaker 1: people usually had specific people that they were angry at.
Speaker 1: There's a period where there was a post office shootings,
Speaker 1: and yeah, there was the expression of very I mean
Speaker 1: very you know, flippant and not pretty move when people
Speaker 1: say you're going postal right, meaning that you were head
Speaker 1: gone nuts. Yeah, but you know, they usually went in
Speaker 1: and they had one, two or three people that they
Speaker 1: were angry at, you know, and they didn't just go
Speaker 1: in there and shoot everybody. Uh. These mass shootings to me,
Speaker 1: for some reason, it just seems like it's been since
Speaker 1: I would say column buying or something like that. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: prior was rarely did you have the situation. There was
Speaker 1: that one in Texas like in the nineties sixties where
Speaker 1: the guy was in the tower. Yeah, I mentioned I
Speaker 1: mentioned that one. Yeah, University of Texas six. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there was really I think no reason for that one.
Speaker 1: But aside from that, generally speaking, shootings, you know, during
Speaker 1: that period of time, they were just angry people that
Speaker 1: were angry at somebody, you know, and and what after
Speaker 1: a specific target. This just makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like in these mass shooting situations. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: is that what I'm sorry, Felix, I'm okay. Well, uh
Speaker 1: my gosh. I thought I just saw a video flashing
Speaker 1: up on the screen when we were on air, and
Speaker 1: I saw somebody enter a room. Uh you know this
Speaker 1: is on TV. You saw somebody enter a room and
Speaker 1: it was footage from inside the school within within a
Speaker 1: R and just for a second that, oh my god,
Speaker 1: but it's actually you can kind of it was law enforcement,
Speaker 1: thank god, entering the room to make sure the kids
Speaker 1: are okay. For a second there we had cell phone
Speaker 1: video of somebody entering a classroom with the a R.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could basically tell from away the guy
Speaker 1: walked in that his law enforcement. Then he gets closer
Speaker 1: you can see anyway. Sorry, I just had a I
Speaker 1: just had a moment there where I was I was
Speaker 1: watching this in real time around the phone with me,
Speaker 1: you know. I the numbers when when they talk about
Speaker 1: shootings in the United States versus other countries, you've got
Speaker 1: to take into account how large the United States actually
Speaker 1: isn't how big it's population is. I'm sure dwarfs West
Speaker 1: you know, all the countries of Western Europe put together,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's pretty noncesical when they make those
Speaker 1: kind of comparisons. Yeah, well you have to certainly account
Speaker 1: for population. One of the problems when you look at
Speaker 1: what the with the New York Times when they've I've
Speaker 1: seen some New York Times compilations of of mass shootings
Speaker 1: and looking at the data and that they won't take
Speaker 1: population into effect, and they'll say things like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't have uh, this doesn't exist elsewhere. And look,
Speaker 1: we have never had a mass shooting on the scale
Speaker 1: of the Beslan school masker for example, which I know
Speaker 1: it was a terrorist attack, but it was at a school.
Speaker 1: And when you when you look at islands in schools
Speaker 1: around the world, First of all, there have been student
Speaker 1: on student shootings elsewhere, and there have also been horrific
Speaker 1: acts of violence specifically targeting schools and school aged children.
Speaker 1: So it's not unique to us. And when politicians say
Speaker 1: that it's not true. But I will say that there's
Speaker 1: a from from what I'm seeing on the statistics here,
Speaker 1: there is a surge in school shootings this year, which
Speaker 1: I I can't I can't come up with even a
Speaker 1: working thesis right now for why that is other than
Speaker 1: there's a copy cat effect now with social media. I
Speaker 1: think that these these vile, malcontents, uh see this as
Speaker 1: a as a means of you know, they'll kind of
Speaker 1: achieve some level of fame and they'll be able to
Speaker 1: you know, this this guy obviously he's not dead. He
Speaker 1: didn't go down shooting in this one. Um, but Felix,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a I don't have
Speaker 1: a good read on why things have gotten worse with
Speaker 1: mass shootings in recent months, you know. And also too,
Speaker 1: it's just this guy wasn't even supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: He was expelled from school. Uh. These things just they
Speaker 1: make no sense, you know. And like when people talk
Speaker 1: about possibly you know, teachers that can be trained and
Speaker 1: you know, want to be armed, they should be back
Speaker 1: when I grew up, I mean, you know, there were
Speaker 1: you were allowed to have guns on school property. This
Speaker 1: is another new thing, you know, and you're leaving people
Speaker 1: completely defenseless. Yeah, this is a gun free zone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know another these are all happening and quote
Speaker 1: gun free zones. Felix, thanks for calling her from Pennsylvania. Man.
Speaker 1: Always good to have you on board. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a gun free zone, and it's clearly not a gun
Speaker 1: free zone for the bad guys, as we've discussed many
Speaker 1: times before. Um, it's just a gun free zone for
Speaker 1: anybody who might want to either go hunting after school
Speaker 1: or defend themselves in school. Ah. And it's not it's
Speaker 1: not enough. I mean when you when you look at
Speaker 1: the real logistics of the of the actual assault here,
Speaker 1: this guy has a has a semi automatic rifle. This
Speaker 1: guy Nicholas Cruz, and he's just going and he's just
Speaker 1: going from mash mass casually he's gonna shoot his people
Speaker 1: as possible. You you're looking at casualty mitigation in these cases.
Speaker 1: Even even if you had had every single teacher in
Speaker 1: this school armed, I don't think that you would have
Speaker 1: been able to stop this guy from killing anyone. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm just being realistic here, but you may have had
Speaker 1: instead of the seven team dead that we've see now,
Speaker 1: you know, you may have had three or four. And
Speaker 1: obviously that would mean that there are a whole lot
Speaker 1: more people that would be going home tonight to their families,
Speaker 1: um than currently are. So you know, you're looking at
Speaker 1: casualty mitigation, not elimination. So, uh, because I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're I don't know how you're gonna stop, you know,
Speaker 1: unless this guy was going to decide to take on
Speaker 1: armed security himself first and foremost right to try to
Speaker 1: take out security personnel to leave the school even more defenseless.
Speaker 1: And I hate saying this, but there's a part of
Speaker 1: me that also thinks this guy is an a R
Speaker 1: multiple magazines. It's got a school of three thousand students.
Speaker 1: We're you know that it could have been it could
Speaker 1: have been worse as terrible as this was. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it has been worse than the sense that there
Speaker 1: have been school shootings with higher casualty accounts, So that
Speaker 1: that is that is uh just a factive history at
Speaker 1: this point, folks. I'm just it's very troubling. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I feel um, I feel like analysis of the situation
Speaker 1: right now it's just insufficient. It's uh, not not enough answers.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing a lot of research and looking
Speaker 1: into everything I can tonight to try to figure out
Speaker 1: if there's if there I like to talk about solutions.
Speaker 1: I like to talk about making how we can make
Speaker 1: things better, how we can at least lower, if not eliminate,
Speaker 1: the risk of these kinds of incidents. And right now
Speaker 1: I just feel a sense of sadness and frustration, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm kind of overwhelmed by that Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a break from this though. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get into some other topics kind of the third hour.
Speaker 1: I hope you're okay with that. We're gonna move on
Speaker 1: to just some other news the day and things on
Speaker 1: my mind because I think we all need that. We'll
Speaker 1: be back. He's holding the line for America. Buck Sexton
Speaker 1: his back. Welcome to our three of the buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1: I told you we would move on from the topic
Speaker 1: of We've spent a couple of hours that already talking
Speaker 1: about the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, at the Douglas
Speaker 1: High School. There seventeen killed. We will um, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into some other topics this hour. An update from
Speaker 1: our friend Annie McCarthy on the situation of the dossier
Speaker 1: and the Democrat memo and all that Russia stuff. Also
Speaker 1: got Adam Crado joining from the Free Beacon to talk
Speaker 1: about um well Iran positioning a whole lot of missiles
Speaker 1: in Syria pointed at Israel, as well as a story
Speaker 1: that may lead to Al Jazeera that anti American network
Speaker 1: paid for by the government of Cutter might have the
Speaker 1: Registers of Foreign Agent tell you about that, and also
Speaker 1: some weird spying operation that they had going on in
Speaker 1: this country al Jazeera did. And then we'll get into
Speaker 1: some just of your your thoughts here on on roll call.
Speaker 1: Just an update I had said, based on my but
Speaker 1: based on what I'd seen from the arrest videos of
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruz, that it seemed to me that he likely
Speaker 1: had ditched his gear and had tried to get away
Speaker 1: as a as a student, trying to pose as just
Speaker 1: another student fleeing the terror. And I saw that that
Speaker 1: has been there are sources now confirming that to reporters
Speaker 1: that that was in fact the case, that he he
Speaker 1: ditched his gun and his gear, whatever he had on him,
Speaker 1: his gap, he had a gas mask, they believe he
Speaker 1: had smoke grenades. He got rid of all that went
Speaker 1: down to a T shirt and you know, probably jeans
Speaker 1: or whatever, and trying to just escape, like the right
Speaker 1: propose as a fleeing student. And because other students I
Speaker 1: assume knew who he was, knew who the shooter was,
Speaker 1: law enforcement was able to um get him before he
Speaker 1: could get outside the cord. The cord and they had
Speaker 1: set up and so that's how he got him. Also
Speaker 1: means this guy really thought this thing through, and I
Speaker 1: was he was trying to get away. He was trying
Speaker 1: to get away. Um anyway, So if you wouldn't mind, folks,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna switch gears here for a second, just because
Speaker 1: I I kind of have to. Um. If there's anything
Speaker 1: else that breaks I promised this hour, any other important
Speaker 1: news about this, this terrible event, I will bring at
Speaker 1: your attention. Okay, you know, mind immigration, it's talk about
Speaker 1: immigration for a few minutes. Let's uh move to something
Speaker 1: else here. So you have the Senate in the in
Speaker 1: the midst of trying to get a deal. Here, here's
Speaker 1: my short version of where I think all this is going.
Speaker 1: It's not going anywhere. It's not going to be an
Speaker 1: immigration deal because the Democrats only want a full scale
Speaker 1: and total amnesty. They they have no interest and anything
Speaker 1: that could prevent that. That's where changes to change. Migration
Speaker 1: changes to interior enforcement. Changes to any existing either enforcement
Speaker 1: priorities or immigration structural immigration issues are just gonna be
Speaker 1: completely unacceptable to the Democrat Party. They're gonna say no way,
Speaker 1: because they want eleven million legalized that are currently illegal.
Speaker 1: M Paul Ryan is trying to sound hopeful on this issue.
Speaker 1: Here's what Here's what he had to say. We have
Speaker 1: a problem that needs solving. We want to solve doctor,
Speaker 1: but we also want to solve DOCA in a comprehensive
Speaker 1: way such that we don't have a doctor problem in
Speaker 1: five years. The President did a very good job of
Speaker 1: putting a very sincere offer on the table, and that
Speaker 1: sincere offer that he put on the table should be
Speaker 1: the framework through which we we come together to find
Speaker 1: a solution. We want to find a solution. Our hope
Speaker 1: that our Democratic colleagues are more interested in finding a
Speaker 1: solution than preserving an issue for campaigns. I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's going to be the case. I do not
Speaker 1: think that we will have UM Democrats trying to seriously
Speaker 1: find a way two uh. I do not think the
Speaker 1: Democrats will have in any way, shape or form a
Speaker 1: serious deal that comes out of this UM. They don't
Speaker 1: want to deal. They don't want to deal. And Tom
Speaker 1: Cotton chimed into the Senator Cotton to let everyone know
Speaker 1: that Trump is this is as good as they're going
Speaker 1: to get for the I mean, on the Democrat side
Speaker 1: of it, in terms of an offer from the Republicans.
Speaker 1: This is it, folks. The President's Framework Bill is not
Speaker 1: an opening bit for negotiations. It's a best and final offer.
Speaker 1: It's going to encourage more illegal immigration. We know that.
Speaker 1: So we have to cure our southern border. Ire bill
Speaker 1: provides the money and the legal thority and do so.
Speaker 1: And it would create a whole new pool of legal
Speaker 1: immigrants who could legalize their families to include the parents
Speaker 1: who created the problem in the first place. That's why
Speaker 1: we have to end the practice of extended family chain migration.
Speaker 1: That's right, you gotta en change migration. See, that's a
Speaker 1: long term immigration issue. Yah, there's a lot. That's because
Speaker 1: that's immigration policy. That's not even that's not about illegal
Speaker 1: that's about legal immigration. That is shifting the framework of
Speaker 1: who we bring into this country and who gets to stay,
Speaker 1: and what the grounds are for permanent residency and even
Speaker 1: citizenship in this country. And Democrats don't want to change
Speaker 1: that at all. They have a system that works for
Speaker 1: them right now, which is illegals get to stay. Illegals
Speaker 1: are increasingly important political constituencies in New York, in Chicago,
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, UM, they are really they really determined
Speaker 1: politics in those plays is because you can't go against
Speaker 1: the legal community or you will no longer be an
Speaker 1: elected official. And then on the immigrant on the legal
Speaker 1: immigration side of the equation, you have h a large
Speaker 1: proportion of people who come into the country from poor,
Speaker 1: developing countries and they bring family members with them, and
Speaker 1: it just creates constituencies of voters for the Democrat Party
Speaker 1: that are going to be multigenerational and stretching far into
Speaker 1: the future and have a tremendous impact. Right the Democrat
Speaker 1: Party is dedicated and it's a decades long project to
Speaker 1: the demographic change of this country in favor of state
Speaker 1: is um and the ideological left. That's the plan, that's
Speaker 1: the goal. So when I think Trump's opening offer here
Speaker 1: shows as much as originally I was a little concerned
Speaker 1: because I thought it was too too favorable to the
Speaker 1: other side based on his promises are in the campaign.
Speaker 1: What this shows is that that is in fact the
Speaker 1: Democrat plan because they won't move on this. There won't
Speaker 1: be any part of this that is in fact acceptable
Speaker 1: to them. They will walk away, they'll use it as
Speaker 1: a mid term issue, and they will continue on as is.
Speaker 1: That's my prediction on this. There will be no deal
Speaker 1: on immigration, despite Republicans being fair minded and operating in
Speaker 1: good faith on it. All right, we're gonna have Annie
Speaker 1: McCarthy joining us here in just a moment. You're gonna
Speaker 1: want to hear what he has to say about surveillance
Speaker 1: and PISA abuse. And if there are any additions, any
Speaker 1: breaking news on the school shooting, I promise we'll bring
Speaker 1: that to you as well. Stay with me, alright, everyone, So,
Speaker 1: there's still a whole lot of unanswered questions as we know,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be that's gonna be true, I think
Speaker 1: for months, if not years to come about what's going
Speaker 1: on with the whole Russia collusion narrative, the FISA abuse allegations,
Speaker 1: all of that. And we have some some new developments
Speaker 1: though that I wanted to work through with our friend
Speaker 1: and expert on these matters, Andy McCarthy. He is, of course,
Speaker 1: of National Review and he's a former Assistant U S
Speaker 1: Attorney for the Southern District of New York Andy. Great
Speaker 1: to have you on, but great to be with you.
Speaker 1: All right, So I know you've been you've been addressing
Speaker 1: this for a few days now. I just want you
Speaker 1: to to explain to everybody because I think it's a
Speaker 1: critical point. There was a lot of oh, Carter Page,
Speaker 1: what wasn't part of the Trump campaign when the surveillance
Speaker 1: was going on at least from what we know of,
Speaker 1: or they started it before he was Trump. And and
Speaker 1: what you've been telling folks is and I think this
Speaker 1: is really important for everyone to hear. Once you once
Speaker 1: you get somebody up once, once you've got the miked up,
Speaker 1: so to speak, you get access to a whole lot
Speaker 1: of stuff current, future and past, right if they have.
Speaker 1: If you're up on somebody's communications devices, you get all
Speaker 1: the forward going stuff, of course, but if the person
Speaker 1: has or email restored texts, you get those as well.
Speaker 1: So I might operating theory on this, and we have
Speaker 1: to have these I guess guys like you and me, Buck,
Speaker 1: because we don't have the current information, but we do
Speaker 1: we've got been around the block enough times to kind
Speaker 1: of know how these things work, and what these guys
Speaker 1: were probably thinking. I believe that they thought the mother
Speaker 1: load with respect to Carter Page was not going to
Speaker 1: be as forward going uh communications, although I think they
Speaker 1: were very interested in those as well. I think they
Speaker 1: were hoping to get communications that he had while he
Speaker 1: was with the Trump campaign. So the the sequence of
Speaker 1: events is they go up on, we should go up
Speaker 1: on they begin their surveillance on his communications devices, whichever
Speaker 1: they were in October. It was I think October twenty one,
Speaker 1: UH he had parted ways or the campaign the Trump
Speaker 1: campaign had parted ways with him in mid September, after
Speaker 1: these press stories came out about the Steel dossier, which
Speaker 1: talked about him in the context of his h of
Speaker 1: his trip to Russia. The Trump campaign decided he was
Speaker 1: a hot number at that point. He was never that
Speaker 1: important to them anyway, so they kind of formally cut
Speaker 1: ties with him. But what I think the investigators were
Speaker 1: hoping was when they got up on his phones and
Speaker 1: his his email and text and whatever else in October,
Speaker 1: that he would have stored email and texts and they
Speaker 1: would get the Trump Russia communications to the extent there
Speaker 1: were any, And I think that probably turned out to
Speaker 1: be a dry hole. But I imagine that's what they
Speaker 1: were thinking. How how believable do you find it? Andy?
Speaker 1: At this point, um and forever and listening case you
Speaker 1: and he was a federal prosecutor for over twenty years,
Speaker 1: so he's he's got a sense about these things. How
Speaker 1: believable is it at this point that there's like, actually,
Speaker 1: apart from the dossier, really solid information on carter Page
Speaker 1: that would justify the kind of surveillance that they were
Speaker 1: doing outside of in the well, I mean, counterintelligence is
Speaker 1: a lower standard. But do do you think that they
Speaker 1: were were they playing games with this? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you or do you think there really was information that
Speaker 1: would be damning? Because I just feel like if carter
Speaker 1: Page was really up to shady stuff, Andy, how come
Speaker 1: no one's even whispered. We haven't even had a leak
Speaker 1: of a theory of a criminal charge against carter Page. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not only that, Buck, he's suing people for libel. So
Speaker 1: you know, if there's something out there were about him,
Speaker 1: he's certainly inviting it to be disclosed, since you know,
Speaker 1: the truth would be a defense, uh to any of
Speaker 1: his libel claims. So I think you're quite right you know,
Speaker 1: I've I've tried to point out to people, but that
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with an American citizen or what they
Speaker 1: call in the federal law a u S person, which
Speaker 1: is citizens, then lawful permanent residents, green card holders. But
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with somebody in that status, FAISA has
Speaker 1: a more demanding test for surveillance. You have to show
Speaker 1: not only that the guy is engaged in clandestine activities
Speaker 1: from which it's fair to conclude that he's acting as
Speaker 1: an agent for a foreign power, you also have to
Speaker 1: show that those clandestine activities undertaken on behalf of that
Speaker 1: foreign power are probably violations of federal criminal law. So
Speaker 1: it's not enough to just say he was furthering Russia's agenda.
Speaker 1: You have to show that he was doing something that
Speaker 1: was in violation of federal law. Now, you always have
Speaker 1: to caution that the FBI knows a lot more than
Speaker 1: I do, and the intelligence community generally knows a lot
Speaker 1: more than I do. But but that said, um, the
Speaker 1: the stuff that's in the Steal dossier lays out some
Speaker 1: potential prosecutable crimes. I'm not aware of anything else with
Speaker 1: respect to Carter Page that does that's not to say
Speaker 1: it's not out there. They could know more than we do,
Speaker 1: but that certainly seems to me like it's the likely
Speaker 1: source of it, and it wouldn't it be incombent then
Speaker 1: in on the FBI to try to find a way
Speaker 1: to get some of that information out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's it just feels like they're playing this big, big
Speaker 1: game of hide the ball now from the American people.
Speaker 1: And as you know, it's national security information, classified information.
Speaker 1: It's always a balancing act, right, It's not just oh,
Speaker 1: it's classified, so we're gonna just keep underlock and key forever.
Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of information over time is by
Speaker 1: law declassified. That's the way it's supposed to go. So
Speaker 1: the public has a right to know in time, just
Speaker 1: can't know right away. To me, it seems like if
Speaker 1: the FBI has got more on this guy, we need
Speaker 1: definitive proof that they did, because otherwise this whole thing
Speaker 1: just it really does look like a sham. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm a little bit um. I'm willing to
Speaker 1: cut them a little more slack than that, but not much.
Speaker 1: So here's here's what I think happened here. I believe
Speaker 1: that they believed steele Um and if you, if you,
Speaker 1: I think it's very hard in to put yourself in
Speaker 1: the shoes of what everybody was thinking in the autumn
Speaker 1: of But if you believed steele Um and you saw
Speaker 1: what he was alleging, that would be very very alarming.
Speaker 1: If if even half of that was true, it would
Speaker 1: be very alarming. And I think steele came to them
Speaker 1: with credibility because he had cooperated with them or helped
Speaker 1: them on the FIFA soccer investigation, and they thought well
Speaker 1: of him, so they overlooked the fact that they couldn't
Speaker 1: corroborate his sources, which to me is the biggest uh
Speaker 1: default in this whole escapade. Because I'm I'm less as
Speaker 1: bad as the issues with respect to steals biases are.
Speaker 1: I'm less concerned about that than I am about the
Speaker 1: fact that his sources are anonymous Russians who are three
Speaker 1: and four hearsay levels removed from the events that they
Speaker 1: supposedly saw. That the judge was asked to rely on
Speaker 1: the probable cause. So I think that's the bigger problem.
Speaker 1: But I think what happened here is they believe steal
Speaker 1: and in some ways Buck you know, you know, with counterintelligence.
Speaker 1: I think these guys think they're playing with the house
Speaker 1: money in the sense that when everybody when when prosecutors
Speaker 1: and investigators are in a doing a criminal case, if
Speaker 1: they go to get a warrant, even though it's just
Speaker 1: them and the judge, when they go to get the warrant,
Speaker 1: everybody knows that everything is eventually going to be disclosed.
Speaker 1: It's all gonna be handed over to the defense lawyers
Speaker 1: and the defendant, and the court's gonna pick over it.
Speaker 1: So that keeps you on your good behavior because you
Speaker 1: know down the road someone's gonna be checking your work.
Speaker 1: And I think here they they're operating under the cloak
Speaker 1: of counterintelligence where everything's top secret, and they believed Hillary
Speaker 1: was going to win. So I think that that makes
Speaker 1: you sloppy. I think that you know, they were I'm
Speaker 1: going to cut them some slack, that they were legitimately
Speaker 1: alarmed because they thought Steel was a credible guy, that
Speaker 1: at least some of what he was telling them was true.
Speaker 1: But they were operating around the edges. They were getting
Speaker 1: a little creative. Yep, yeah, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1: And you just want more for you on the on
Speaker 1: the Democrat memo, I don't really understand that the process.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I know about how classified information works,
Speaker 1: and I know about how the executive branch processes work,
Speaker 1: but I don't. So so the Congress, you got, the
Speaker 1: House Committee voted to send this Democrat memo through, but
Speaker 1: now the FBI and the White House have sent it
Speaker 1: back and said there's too much classified in it. So
Speaker 1: and other Democrats are saying that they won't release it
Speaker 1: or what are you what's going on here? As far
Speaker 1: as you see it, it it seems to me like there's
Speaker 1: obviously games being played here. Yeah, I think there are,
Speaker 1: But this is one of the issues, but where it's
Speaker 1: more of a legal I mean, a political thing than
Speaker 1: a legal thing. So there's this congressional process in the House.
Speaker 1: The Senate doesn't have this, where the committee can vote
Speaker 1: to declassify something and then in their rules it gives
Speaker 1: the president five days to weigh in. Now, when the
Speaker 1: President says I object, that doesn't have the force of law,
Speaker 1: because Congress has full immunity under the Speech and Debate clause.
Speaker 1: If they want to, if they want to express something
Speaker 1: that's classified, Uh, they can do it and they can't
Speaker 1: be prosecuted for it. But of course, no congress person
Speaker 1: is going to want to do something that looks like
Speaker 1: it's damaging to the country or looks like they're exposing
Speaker 1: classified information for no other reasons. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: a game of chicken. I think what happened here is
Speaker 1: that the Democrats laced their letter with a lot of
Speaker 1: message and sources stuff, knowing that that would be objected to,
Speaker 1: and then they were hoping that from the objection they'd
Speaker 1: be able to say that they are memo was being
Speaker 1: suppressed by Trump. But did the Republicans in the House.
Speaker 1: Did the Republicans in this House committee any say it was? Okay?
Speaker 1: They must have, right, unless it wouldn't have made it
Speaker 1: out of the committee, because basically they said, we're not
Speaker 1: falling into the trap here. Okay, sure, fine, put it out,
Speaker 1: and then they put it on the President in the
Speaker 1: FBI and the Justice Department to object to it. Now
Speaker 1: that makes sense, okay, Yeah, So it was kind of
Speaker 1: a poison pill situation, which I'd assume was the case. Yep,
Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna come out? Uh? Not in
Speaker 1: the form that they the Democrats want to put it
Speaker 1: out in. But you know, as the Republicans of the Committee,
Speaker 1: including Noon Has say, uh, they sure hope it comes
Speaker 1: out because they think it will show what what complete
Speaker 1: nonsense it is, that it doesn't really have anything to
Speaker 1: do with the main issue, which is did they use
Speaker 1: the dossier to get a warrant? And did they corroborate it?
Speaker 1: And on those issues, I don't think the Democrats are
Speaker 1: gonna help themselves much with this letter. Any what's your
Speaker 1: next piece gonna be working? Folks go to find it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm working on something with respect to Susan Rice's mysterious
Speaker 1: email that we learned about the last couple of days,
Speaker 1: and um tomorrow and nash review dot com everybody, and
Speaker 1: he just real quick, do you think it's shady? Because
Speaker 1: I think it's shady, it's sad, yes, and he agrees
Speaker 1: it's shady. Now I feel I've been saying all week
Speaker 1: you don't write yourself by the book twice in an
Speaker 1: email your last day on the job unless there's been
Speaker 1: some not by the book stuff. So I feel very
Speaker 1: confident now that you're on the same year, on the
Speaker 1: same train as I am on that one. Andy McCarthy, everybody,
Speaker 1: the one and only follow him on Twitter check out
Speaker 1: his stuff on Nasha review dot com and you thank
Speaker 1: you so much for making the time. Alright, team, we're
Speaker 1: gonna roll into a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey, team,
Speaker 1: I wanted to flag a story for you that has
Speaker 1: got some really interesting dynamics at work. It's by Adam Crado,
Speaker 1: who is a senior writer over at the Washington Free Beacon.
Speaker 1: Here's the headline, cutterback spy operation on US Jews puts
Speaker 1: Al Jazeera in congressional crosshairs. Quite a title and quite
Speaker 1: a story. We have the author with us right now,
Speaker 1: Mr Adam Crado. Good to have you back, sir, Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. I appreciate it. Buddy. All right, you
Speaker 1: got you gotta tell us. We're workers through some of
Speaker 1: the details and then we'll get into the implications. But
Speaker 1: what is going on here? This is quite This is
Speaker 1: quite a tale. It really is quite a tale, and
Speaker 1: it's um one of these truth is stranger than fiction
Speaker 1: type tales. We have Al Jazeera, which of course everybody
Speaker 1: knows is a state funded news organization. The Qatari government
Speaker 1: UH funds Al Jazeera and necessarily Al Jazira tows their
Speaker 1: line and one of their pet projects for quite some
Speaker 1: time has been UH anti Israel documentary. So what Al
Speaker 1: Jazira did very quietly about last year, and we're just
Speaker 1: kind of finding out the details now, is that they
Speaker 1: hired a molar too and sent them into Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: To essentially the infiltrate pros Rael organizations and UH try
Speaker 1: to find pro Israel officials supporters in compromising positions. Now, look,
Speaker 1: really what they found is not all that shocking. That
Speaker 1: pro Israel people want to stop boycotts of Israel, they
Speaker 1: want to combat anti Semitism. But it seems that what
Speaker 1: they've done here that you know, when you record somebody
Speaker 1: through a peepole camera, everything starts to look kind of sexy.
Speaker 1: And Alta's area has begun sending letters now to a
Speaker 1: lot of these organizations telling ram, well, we've got you
Speaker 1: on videotape. We need you to respond to these allegations
Speaker 1: that there is Jowish influence in the US government, that
Speaker 1: pro Israel Jews in America are working on behalf of
Speaker 1: the Israeli government um to stop boycotts of Israel, all
Speaker 1: these kinds of lines, and what we're seeing now is
Speaker 1: that this is can amount to cutter a foreign government
Speaker 1: running a spy operation on American soil, targeting US Jews.
Speaker 1: Let's not lie. That's what this is. This is not
Speaker 1: a news outlet doing an investigation. This is a propaganda network.
Speaker 1: This is a state run network operating at the instruction
Speaker 1: of the government. So this is actually causing quite a
Speaker 1: bit of trouble for Al Jazeera now that there is
Speaker 1: a push Incongress to get Al Jazeera to register as
Speaker 1: a foreign agent, which is what it is under Farah,
Speaker 1: the Foreign Agents Registration acted. This would really put them
Speaker 1: in line with our art is now under FARA right
Speaker 1: in the last twelve months, I believe exactly what I
Speaker 1: was going to see, exactly what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Ye RTI, the Russian UH funded propaganda network is forced
Speaker 1: recently to register under FARAH, the chi comm newspapers, the
Speaker 1: communist propaganda registers. As such, there's no reason that Al
Speaker 1: Jazeera should not be put in the same category, especially
Speaker 1: after they're spying on American juins. This is astonishing. We're
Speaker 1: talking about Adam Crado of the Washington Free Beacon about this.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that the most likely way they
Speaker 1: would have approached this, Adam, is that these Al Jazeera journalists,
Speaker 1: so under the cloak of being investigative journalists are effectively
Speaker 1: doing oppo research and spying on American Jews. Right, That's
Speaker 1: that that would be how I actually that's how they've
Speaker 1: presented this, right, yeah, yeah, precisely. I mean last year
Speaker 1: I caught wind of it actually kind of when it
Speaker 1: was taking place in others, just because I tend to
Speaker 1: circulate and report on these communities. But apparently there was
Speaker 1: at least one mall that was all around town secretly
Speaker 1: recording people, uh infiltrating under false aliases and names into
Speaker 1: pros and out organizations, and um, it looks like they
Speaker 1: entangled quite a few people. In my my gut instinct,
Speaker 1: um is I suspect they don't have that much. I mean,
Speaker 1: they can spend this. It's you know, conspiracies with Jews
Speaker 1: and government are always kind of sexy for the anti
Speaker 1: Semitic conspiracy theorists, But my my gut tells me they
Speaker 1: probably don't have much of it. They've really stepped in
Speaker 1: it year because is exposed to themselves as operating on
Speaker 1: behalf of the anti Semitic Tatari government, which as you know,
Speaker 1: fund much and brotherhood of a moss Front exporter of
Speaker 1: Taylor financing all these types of things. You also have
Speaker 1: the main story up right now on the Washington Freebeacon website,
Speaker 1: Iran back terror group claims half a million missiles aimed
Speaker 1: at Israel. I was updating folks yesterday on the drone
Speaker 1: that was shot down over Israeli airspace, and also just
Speaker 1: the general situation of Syria right now, which is a
Speaker 1: is a mess. Despite the losses, Isis has sustained what's
Speaker 1: going on with with Hezbollah, what's going on with Iran
Speaker 1: and the half a million missiles. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: tried to tell um people quite often whenever I get
Speaker 1: really the chance and they ask me for my take
Speaker 1: on national security and funning policy in these types of things.
Speaker 1: I think this is really the biggest untold story in
Speaker 1: the Middle East right now that, as one person put
Speaker 1: it to me, under the cloud of war, are under
Speaker 1: the fog of war that's going on in Syrie, and
Speaker 1: yet in all these other places, Iran has really been
Speaker 1: able to secretly and UH covertly UH move advanced missiles
Speaker 1: into the region. They've got weapons of workshops on the
Speaker 1: border with Israel in uh hamas control territory and on
Speaker 1: the northern border where his Bolla operates, between Syria and Lebanon,
Speaker 1: they've been able to stockpile at least seventy thousand new missiles.
Speaker 1: This is on top of about a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand others, and they say within the next year they'll
Speaker 1: be able to amass about half a million advanced missiles
Speaker 1: on Israel's border. And this is really part of an
Speaker 1: Iranian strategy of bombardment that um, if they are to
Speaker 1: get in any sort of direct conflict with Israel, they
Speaker 1: can blow the whistle and their terry proxy groups like
Speaker 1: his Bola and others will come in and barage Israel.
Speaker 1: It's a frightening situation. I'm really not sure what the
Speaker 1: Israeli government does. Uh. I would advocate preemptive bombing here
Speaker 1: the destroyed these cashes, but that that itself. I have
Speaker 1: to say, I was somewhat surprised that Israeli air strikes
Speaker 1: inside Syria targeting both Syrian and Iranian and people don't
Speaker 1: understand that they're actually Iranian installations now in Syria. It's
Speaker 1: not just like a handful of Iranians who are providing
Speaker 1: assistance or you know, there's there's that that Syria effectively
Speaker 1: has become an Iranian launch powder and Iranian forward operating
Speaker 1: base for operations against Israel got very little attention from
Speaker 1: much of the media. I mean, they're shooting down what
Speaker 1: they believe could be a in Iranian knockoff of the
Speaker 1: Stealth drone, the Sentinel drone. That's what the Idea was
Speaker 1: reporting that the US lost to Iran back in twleven.
Speaker 1: The Iranians are flying that in Israeli airspace. They have
Speaker 1: to shoot it down, I think with an Apache helicopter.
Speaker 1: Three attempts to shoot it down originally failed, and barely
Speaker 1: a peep about it here in the media. Adam, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Look at surprise, it gets easy to ignore.
Speaker 1: These stones are out of his convenient stories about um
Speaker 1: at least from a foreign policy and angld Russia's involvement
Speaker 1: in Seria much sexier given the domestic coverage here in
Speaker 1: the United States. But I've actually been learning about this
Speaker 1: for quite some time that the real untold story is
Speaker 1: what's happening on Israel's northern border with Um. Hens Baula,
Speaker 1: the former recently resigned Prime Minister from Lebanon, when he
Speaker 1: was leaving and fleeing to Saudi Arabia said, I can't
Speaker 1: learn this country. It's completely controlled by his Bola and
Speaker 1: Iranian agents. It's impossible. Yet, um, the Trump administration actually,
Speaker 1: quite shockingly and disappointingly continues to provide arms to the
Speaker 1: Lebanese armed forces, which really is just the fact of
Speaker 1: his Bola. So there there's a very complicated and similaring
Speaker 1: situation that is only getting worse on Israel's northern border.
Speaker 1: And I really see no other ways for this to
Speaker 1: end except in war unless the Trump administration, in certain
Speaker 1: news rallies take some steps now literally down we should
Speaker 1: have done it months and months, if not years ago,
Speaker 1: but steps immediately to kind of mitigate it. Adam Crado
Speaker 1: is a senior writer at the Washington Free Beacon. You
Speaker 1: can read his latest on national security and everything else
Speaker 1: they're covering over there at Free Beacon dot com. Adam, uh,
Speaker 1: some really great reporting. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Thank you. I'm always my pleasure. Alright,
Speaker 1: seem we are going to roll into a break here.
Speaker 1: When I come back, we will get into a bit
Speaker 1: of maybe some roll call some Valentine's talk we've gotta
Speaker 1: been a been a heavy day, and I think we
Speaker 1: can take a breather here at the end to think
Speaker 1: about some more pleasant and happier times. So we'll be
Speaker 1: back in just a few Well, team, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: it today in the Freedom Hunt. Gonna be closing out
Speaker 1: the show here in just a couple of minutes. First, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I sent Mrs Molly some flowers in her
Speaker 1: office today, and I just want to say, I hope
Speaker 1: all of you have a a good Valentine's Day. It's
Speaker 1: been a very it's been a very tough day in
Speaker 1: the news cycle, tough day for the country. But you
Speaker 1: still need to go home and kiss and hug your
Speaker 1: loved ones, and you have your own private or you know,
Speaker 1: your own version of a of a Valentine's Day, if
Speaker 1: in fact, you even in general, think that Valentine's Day
Speaker 1: is something that we should all give into. I sit
Speaker 1: here and I'm like, you know, why is it that
Speaker 1: we have to send chocolates and flowers and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: It strikes me as a little bit more commercial, uh
Speaker 1: commercial than I would like to commit to. Right It's
Speaker 1: but you know that again, the same thing with with
Speaker 1: ring buying from what I understand. You know, you got
Speaker 1: to learn about the Four Seas, and you gotta. I
Speaker 1: don't worry. She doesn't listen to the radio show, so
Speaker 1: she's not gonna get tipped off with anything. I am
Speaker 1: just your Valentine's Day. It's fine, all right. Look, if
Speaker 1: you're just sending flowers, it's fine. I get it. Um.
Speaker 1: No one really spends much time commemorating the martyrdom of St. Valentine.
Speaker 1: He was a Roman priest, was beheaded in the third century. Um.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of back and forth on what
Speaker 1: the the true history of St. Valentine is. Today is
Speaker 1: also ash Wednesday, as you know. So there's just there's
Speaker 1: a lot a lot going on on the calendar. So
Speaker 1: I thought I would just get into a bit of
Speaker 1: a bit of roll call, because let's do that wet
Speaker 1: oh no, whoa hey, crying chop, We'll take that team buck.
Speaker 1: It's time for roll call, So let's get it going. Sorry,
Speaker 1: first we've got t J who writes in he sent
Speaker 1: me a stand with Rand from Rand pack dot com.
Speaker 1: Rand Paul, this is about and he said, did Rand
Speaker 1: ask your permission to use this? Well, t J. Rand
Speaker 1: did not, but I give full permission. But I think
Speaker 1: stand with Rand is obvious enough that I can't pretend
Speaker 1: to to copyright that one. Greg has one for me
Speaker 1: next on the roll call here, Well, question for you
Speaker 1: and maybe discussion on your show sometime. Do your viewers
Speaker 1: think if Trump were not elected but someone like Jeff
Speaker 1: Bush or Marker Rubio or whoever we're elected president, that
Speaker 1: we would have the economy going like we do now
Speaker 1: or even better? Do they think we'd be seeing the
Speaker 1: uncovering of the corruption and the takedown of the deep
Speaker 1: state like we're witnessing. Thanks from Greg. You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: it's a very interesting question, and it's one for which
Speaker 1: there can't be a definitive answer. Right. We know that
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing that we can do to prove what
Speaker 1: did not. We can't prove a historical negative. We can
Speaker 1: prove what would have been had another Republican been able
Speaker 1: to defeat Hillary Clinton. I will say this, tax cuts,
Speaker 1: such as they have been pushed forward by the GOP
Speaker 1: thus far, that's pretty mainstream, pretty standard go Op stuff.
Speaker 1: That's not it's not really anything that's uh shaking things,
Speaker 1: shaking things up too much, you know, it's not really
Speaker 1: changing things up from what we would expect from the GOP.
Speaker 1: And I think the tax cuts are pretty much right
Speaker 1: in the center of the Republican parties mantra. So you
Speaker 1: got that as where whether we there be other things
Speaker 1: going on, I don't know, you know, whether other things
Speaker 1: necessarily would be different, better, the same tough to say.
Speaker 1: I I mean, you certainly wouldn't have the media operating
Speaker 1: like it does right now. So yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: think that the the part of this that's definitely different
Speaker 1: is the way that Trump has exposed the media and
Speaker 1: the the true depths. Look, we know, we've known that
Speaker 1: the media is biased for a very long time now.
Speaker 1: I grew up in an environment where because of the
Speaker 1: Internet and talk radio, there was finally a CounterPunch and
Speaker 1: there was a counter argument that was out there, and
Speaker 1: the rise of Fox News to become the number one
Speaker 1: cable network. But you know, you knew the media was
Speaker 1: Democrat was left. You didn't know that they were hysterical
Speaker 1: about it. You didn't know that they were unable to
Speaker 1: keep their grip on reality when you would have a
Speaker 1: new kind of president and new presidency where their power
Speaker 1: no longer was what they thought it was. So that's
Speaker 1: something that I think is very very different about the
Speaker 1: Trump administration from what you would have seen in any
Speaker 1: other administration. And then we could also we could continue
Speaker 1: this could be an all night discussion. How is Trump
Speaker 1: different from how other presidents would have been? Uh, name
Speaker 1: name something. Really, there's a lot of stuff that is
Speaker 1: different about Trump. But I'm one of the first. Oh
Speaker 1: I'm not the first to say this, but I'm I'm
Speaker 1: free in admitting that he has exceeded my expectations so far.
Speaker 1: And I've thinking he's doing a really, really good job.
Speaker 1: And I just also do love what so many others
Speaker 1: saw early on, and uh, that is that Trump was
Speaker 1: going to be the greatest irritant to the American left,
Speaker 1: certainly since Reagan. I mean, nothing bothers them as much
Speaker 1: as Trump. And that's that's worth a lot. There's there's
Speaker 1: a currency to that, there's value to that, all right.
Speaker 1: Next one, we have Bob, who writes its been a
Speaker 1: while since I saw a movie in theater. I saw
Speaker 1: one on Tuesday, twelve Strong. Highly recommend for Team Buck
Speaker 1: Shields high. Thank you, Bob. I want to see twelve
Speaker 1: Strong too. I tend not to say that I'm going
Speaker 1: to see something in the theater, because it's usually it's
Speaker 1: not that I am intentionally lying about it, but I
Speaker 1: find myself saying, oh, wait till it's on demand, and
Speaker 1: I'll wait till I can buy it and watch it
Speaker 1: at home. My couch is very large, very comfortable. It's
Speaker 1: not not not much to look at, but man, I
Speaker 1: mean it could. It could comfortably sleep to maybe three,
Speaker 1: and the couch is just a sanctuary. I've got a
Speaker 1: big flat screen on the wall, and it's just there's
Speaker 1: no movie theater that I can compare. I just don't
Speaker 1: know what else to say. I wish, I wish I
Speaker 1: was somebody that still got excited about like standing in
Speaker 1: a ticket line and paying eight dollars for a bunch
Speaker 1: of popcorn. And Nope, I'm I'm a watch it at
Speaker 1: home guy now and and increasingly I really I Some
Speaker 1: people I know watch cable so that they have sports,
Speaker 1: live sports. That's the big advantage of that's the big
Speaker 1: draw for them. I basically watched now on demand stuff,
Speaker 1: and then I watched news for on the cable. That's
Speaker 1: it that I don't. I don't really watch cable TV
Speaker 1: other than that. So you know, my my habits have
Speaker 1: been changing with us over time. I remember going to
Speaker 1: the movies, my brothers, my dad, my mom, you know,
Speaker 1: my sister. Back in the day, we'd all we'd all
Speaker 1: go see movies as a family. Now, I think if
Speaker 1: the six of us were all adults now, but if
Speaker 1: the six of us tried to go see a movie
Speaker 1: in New York City, I'm just realizing this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I think about it would cost a hundred bucks. It
Speaker 1: would cost a hundred dollars for us to see a
Speaker 1: movie in New York. Tickets for movies here are like
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen dollars, and there's six of us, and
Speaker 1: then you know, I had a little popcorn and some
Speaker 1: soda and you're at a hundred dollars to see a movie.
Speaker 1: That is just when you can own it or or
Speaker 1: you can download it and watch it at home for
Speaker 1: like seven usually maybe ten something like that. So I
Speaker 1: but I will see the The twelve Strong because that's
Speaker 1: a very important story. I want to check it out.
Speaker 1: Amy next next one app here on Keep One to
Speaker 1: see Team Buck speaks on Roll Call, Hey Buck Shields
Speaker 1: high question. Remember when the Obama is ration Surverill reporters
Speaker 1: like Rosen and his parents. Whatever happened with this, How
Speaker 1: does this time to surveillance of Trump, of the Trump campaign?
Speaker 1: How rampant was this surveillance abuse? What does it say
Speaker 1: about corruption the FBI? Well, Amy, it's uh, it's kind
Speaker 1: of complicated. It's very different. It wasn't a FISA warrant
Speaker 1: with Rosen. It was just a typical criminal warrant. What
Speaker 1: they did was they they broke an unspoken agreement with
Speaker 1: the media that they won't use criminal proceedings against journalists
Speaker 1: to find the leakers. The administration said, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're gonna find the leaker, and we're gonna do that
Speaker 1: by going after journalists records. And I know that's what
Speaker 1: they did with the Associated Press, and I believe that's
Speaker 1: what they did with Rosen as well, though I'd have
Speaker 1: to familiarize myself with that case. Again. That's gonna be
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