WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Randy Jackson 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:12.200 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.720 My name is Quest Love and this is QLs classic 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.880 and we go back with our how Randy Jackson, you know, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.279 not American idol Randy Jackson, but the original. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.400 Randy Jackson of the Jackson five of the Jacksons. Yes, 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:34.839 the youngest Jackson, well next to Janet. You know, we 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.320 get into it. We talk a lot about his career, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.559 him joining his brothers at such a young age, his 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.479 life as a producer and as a songwriter, the memories 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:45.040 of the family. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.559 So this is all the way from. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.240 Halloween, October thirty first, twenty eighteen. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:53.760 Randy Jackson Quest. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:01:08.080 Loves Supreme, Suprema son, so supreme role called supreme son 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:15.880 son supremea role called subdremer some suprema role called supreme son, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:17.240 so SUPREMEA. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.440 My name is Questlove. This is my show. I cannot 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:23.800 think of a rhyme scheme. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:24.399 To go with. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:33.600 Supremer suprema role called Suprema son, Suprema role. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.040 Car her name is Sugar. Yeah, I love to dance. Yeah, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.640 oh ship right, just give me that one more chance. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.199 Son Son Supremo. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.920 Role called Supreme Son something Supreme role came. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:02:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rome Supreme Supreme to your mind subprime 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:05.840 roll call. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.720 My name is Randy. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. Yeah, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.840 folks and Hendrix. Yeah, We're gonna have a party. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:21.000 Ro call Supreme Son Sun SUPREMEA roll call Supreme Suprema, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.880 roll call Supreme SUPREMEA roll call. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:33.360 Sun Suppreme Mo roll call Damn he lives. Yeah. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.480 Q TIP should be a stand to himself, Randy de Sondam. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.320 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to UH. I always say it's 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:45.680 a special. Every every episode is a special. QLs. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.240 Once again, I call you all anemic Supreme. Shout out. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.320 No, but y'all here, you know, shout out to UH 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:58.919 fan Ticicolo and his countertops, his countertops and you know 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.200 I'm being Bill's is like living on Sesame Street now right, So. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.760 Shouldn't you shout out to people who are actually here? Yes? 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:05.880 Here? 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.320 Okay, hello, light Yeah, you two. We got Sugar Steve 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.760 and your network and UH boss Bill. Yeah all right, So, 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:14.960 ladies and gentlemen, I. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.359 Interest for us. By the way, you guys always do this. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.520 Here's these two schmuts. Yeah, it depends, it depends, it depends. Uh. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.600 We we travel all over to various studios, but you know, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:33.480 Electric Ladies like our home home. Oh yeah, I should 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.000 let you guys know that we're here at Electric Lady Studios, 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.160 House of Hendricks, House of Whodoo, House of Wonder and 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:46.560 Roy Airs. And I didn't even until I walked in 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.360 the until yeah so and shout out to Electric Lady 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.120 for finally pulling the roots record up. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.880 I kind of forgot that, you know, I didn't know 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.600 if they knew that I recorded here as well. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.560 So anyway, ladies and gentlemen, I'll say that I've you know, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:08.200 I've mean many a brew haha over the musical influences 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.400 of my childhood, you know, like Stevievis and Prints that, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:16.200 and Dyla This and Michael This and Quincy Vet and 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.440 Steve Rohn whatever. But I'll say that in prepping for 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:25.520 this episode, I slowly kind of realized that our guest 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:31.120 today is probably more influential to me personally than I 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.520 give them credit for. And you know, basically because of 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:40.320 the timing and the influence of what we know as 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.600 the Jackson five of the Jacksons was absolutely inescapable in 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.400 the seventies if you were growing up black in the seventies, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:53.400 and they were pretty much more than entertainers or even superheroes. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.640 They were damn near like an occupation because I probably 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.600 asked more times as a kid, you want to be 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.120 a little Randy Jackson when you grow up, So you know, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.840 Randy Jackson to me was more an occupation than an 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.520 actual personality. And I guess that sort of planned to seed. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.359 And I'll say that you know his influence all my life. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.440 I'll share stories of his influence on my life throughout 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.280 the show. Stories for me, wanted to be a percussionist 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.760 to various punishments I received as a child. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.000 In the name of trying to stunt like Randy Jackson. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:35.360 Anyway, even on the low of me joining the Rock 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.960 and Roll Hall of Fame Committee to right the wrong 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:46.000 of his omission in that institution, I personally believe he 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.040 should be alongside his five brothers in the Rock and 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.560 Roll Hall of Fame. And I'm actually trying like hell 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.520 to make that happen and to write that wrong, because 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.280 in my opinion, it was his contributions that was key 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:03.840 to taking them, you know, to adults and us taking 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.599 them seriously. This is I feel like it's like a. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:14.320 Memorial my father. He's like snoring. Anyway, I'm just saying welcome. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.719 We want to welcome to the show. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:21.000 Singer, percussionist, producer, arranger, superhero and I'm putting out their 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.359 future Hall of Famer Stephen Randall Jackson to. 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:26.279 Quest Lip Supreme. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:27.760 Thank you think you think of anything? 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:34.040 Yeah, you know, the show's over, so thank you. How 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.640 how are you today, I'm good. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.400 I'm good. I just got in uh last night from England. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.520 I'm good. What part of London are you living in? 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:48.440 Central Belgravey Central? I can walk everywhere. It's to walk, yeah, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:50.400 I uh. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.720 Shortly before, at the beginning of the Roots career, we 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.120 actually we quote speaking of hendricks we pulled a hendricks 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:05.480 By I'll say, creatively, exiling to London and living there 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.039 for about I loved it because I mean, at least 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:15.000 in ninety four, you know, we we felt like there 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:20.360 was a space for us creatively as a band, because 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.640 you know, the idea of a band was becoming extinct 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.280 in the United States, and you know, so we lived 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.040 in Kennistown, in the northern part of London, like in 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.480 the Canadam market, right, yeah, for like five years. But 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.440 how long have you been living in there? I mean 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.960 we kept our flat there from like ninety three. We 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.360 needed an apartment there, so that way it wouldn't be expensive, 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.400 like to go to Switzerland, come. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.280 Back to Philly and come back to Philly. Yeah. If 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.920 we had a hub over in Europe, then we could 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.200 just stay in Europe and work over there. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.680 It's about three years now. Yeah, man, yeah, you know, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.000 it's interesting when you're there. They asked us. Had a 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.560 great appreciation from me music in the history of music. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.000 It's like that's all I love about Lendon. It's like 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.880 they love music, jazz. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.480 Ronnie Scott's yeah, oh yeah Scott. Yeah. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.480 And then like every weekend. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:16.080 Damn Square in Leicester Square and yeah Ronnie Scott's, man, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.559 what is is that a jazz club? It's a jazz club. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:24.440 I think I last saw when did like two weeks there. Uh, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.400 and I was, well, I saw these four of those shows, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.360 and I was kind of amazed at the fact that 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.160 he was just going off the cup for each show. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:40.280 So for him to be such anti Miles, you know, 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.679 I was shocked that he kept it spontaneous. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.679 So, so you you like it over there? I do. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:46.319 I do. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.240 You know, I like the music scene. It's something different, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.319 you know, it's nice, cool cool. Yeah, and they love 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.920 American music of course, you know it's it's no secret, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.120 but it's nice cool. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:02.280 I'll see, So I will say that, uh you of 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.520 course you're you're in New York right now, yes, because 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.480 I am. You're you're kind of the helm of your 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:11.319 or partnering with your sister. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.800 Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm here in New York and Bay Area, LA. 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.160 So I'm traveling between like four places all the time. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.600 Oh, you got helps all over the place. That's the dream, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.440 that's the absolute dream. So I want to start from 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:32.280 the beginning. So what were your earliest memories of growing up? 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.880 And I assume that you were born in Gary and yeah, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.599 I was, I was fella. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.960 Yeah yeah, what was really? We used to go up 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.320 to South Bend. I got all the bitch folks up there. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:45.920 You were. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.280 We were poor, So you go from South Bend. So 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.520 I wish I had that car. You know, it's like, yeah, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:55.560 that's my car. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:56.880 Everyone plays that's my car. 0:09:58.559 --> 0:09:59.800 That's right, everybody plays that. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.440 So what were your earliest memories of what you were 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:05.040 growing up in. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.079 But Gary was an interesting place because it's like growing 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:14.840 up there's like gang violence and it's pretty serious, pretty bad. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.079 But we had a father who was like, the gangs 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.120 were scared of our father, Like, those are Joe's boys, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.959 you know, their daddy crazy, don't mess with them. It 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.960 was like, so you know, he he did his best 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.559 to keep us out of the streets, right. So you know, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:38.840 we were just in the house playing instruments. But Gary 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.680 was a great experience. It's a home is always home. Actually, 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.360 I've been spending a lot of time there lately, so 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.400 it's nice Yoh yeah, in fact, I'm going back on 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:49.640 after year. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:51.600 Wait what home? 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:56.240 Back to Gary? So you guys, you're still on the 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.280 home there. That's twenty three hundred Jackson. That's six hundred 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:03.880 and fifty Squire House. We still have it. Really, Yeah, it's. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.199 Is it a museum piece now or is it just 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.160 like is it open for the public to see you? 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.480 Yeah, they want to make a museum, mane, But we 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.480 just want to make it for people to see, but 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.440 keep it home. Like this room is much the house 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:16.400 can fit in this room. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:17.520 Really. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:23.319 Yeah, So we had two bedrooms. My parents slept in 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:31.320 the master bedroom, and Mean Marlon Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Michael Jackie, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.520 we slept in the other bedroom. In the Toya Ribi 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:39.120 and Janet slept on the so for in a living room. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.400 Mean Marlin and Michael slept in the middle bunk. Jackie 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.559 had the bottom bunk by himself and Tito had the 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.760 top top. Tito and jermainicas have I slept in between 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.360 Michael and marnin they both would pee on me. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:12:00.280 Like it was gross. It was it was gross, you know, 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.280 but uh littally sounded like a wou teen childhood. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:08.280 Yeah, hey man, wow, hold up, I see got a 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:13.240 living Hey, so it's it's for me, like I know 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.040 that you were, I mean assuming that the idea of 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.920 the Jackson five started in sixty five. You're sixty one, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.240 sixty I was born in sixty one, all right, so 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:22.920 you were four? 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:27.439 Yeah when they started, did you feel like, oh, this 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:28.040 is me too? 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:33.720 Or was it like it's funny my brothers started. Yeah, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.719 like sixty five, and I remember when I went you 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.600 back became like a hit. They had a local hit, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:44.440 a big boy. Yeah, you know it was hit Chicago hit. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.040 It some other places. But when I went you back 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:52.160 became a hit. I was stelling Gary and uh my 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.120 mother came to the room and woke me up. Just 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.640 listen to this was on the radio. I'm like, is 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.199 that them? Because yes, we ought to sight and we 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.120 were going out to La. A few days later we 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.160 went to La. It was like culture shock. Man, I'd 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.640 seen I had never seen like homes in the hills. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.000 That's what I was flat, Like, what was it like 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.280 for you to it was? 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.319 It was? It was overwhelming, like and I was like 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.880 my eyes were I mean, I don't know what the 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.520 thing was it was. It was scary in a way 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.360 because all the things I had seen on the view master. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:28.960 Wow, the view master. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.880 Yea, so all the things I looked at them right right, 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.520 So all the things I seen on the view master 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.880 at home, dreaming one day I'm gonna go here. Maybe 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.319 now I'm seeing it in person and these big homes 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:46.400 and Disneyland and you know the one thing that was 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.000 really freaked me out with school buses. Really, I'm from 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.080 We walked in school and I was eight years old 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.439 walking to school and Snow taller than me, you know, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.640 but but right, but school bus is coming to pick 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.319 you up in front of your house. I was like, what, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.120 this is great, this is awesome. But it was a 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.040 great experience. Man, it was like changed me up a lot. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.480 When did you move? When did you officially move? Della? 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.240 It was nineteen seventy one. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:20.840 Wow, okay, so you were ten years old? 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.120 Ten years old? Yeah, it's ten. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:30.360 So I know about the first concert with Well, first 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.400 of all, how did you finally convince. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.400 Your family like, okay, begetting the music thing? 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.560 Yeah, well, to get. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.120 They weren't with it because at the time of the 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.880 true story and some people might not want to hear 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.880 the story. But my dad always wanted me to be 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.760 in the band. But I think Motown thought that add 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.200 a six brother it would confuse everybody. So we're gonna 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.800 see Jackson six. It's just confused. So I said, okay, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:01.720 I got to figure out I'd get my way into this. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.360 So I started just playing everything I could. Like in 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:11.200 our house in La we had a recording studio that 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.280 had like this place had drums, guitars, piano, So I 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.000 would go around the room. I would come home from school, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.240 do my homework. I'd be in the studio until I 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.840 went to bed, my brother's be touring whatever. But that 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.960 was my every day. But I didn't know that I 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:30.000 was developing skills at the time that would you know, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.240 you know, pay off for me later. But I was 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.760 at home playing the piano. Then I turned on the 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.880 board and started making songs and tracks and playing all 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.360 the parts on the tracks, and playing the guitar part 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.800 and playing the bass part. And then I paid a 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:49.480 little trumpet and I try to do everything. So as 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:50.960 time went on, things got a little bit better, a 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:51.440 little bit better. 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:52.800 And then. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:16:00.840 We went to CBS Records where we were where we 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:05.040 started writing our own songs. So by that time, my writing, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:10.240 that's what came through. But I meant for the appearance 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.920 where you came out to do ah, I think a 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.960 brand new thing or what happened was yeah, So what 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:22.640 happened even before I was officially a part of the band, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.720 I had sang on songs like a dance machine get 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.280 it Together. I was singing on all the songs. So 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:30.720 I would go in the students sing on the songs, 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.280 but they wouldn't put my face on the album because 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:34.400 it was just confusing. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.120 It's rather so yeah, So I was already. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.400 Involved in singing and touring, yeah, and touring for years, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:48.160 playing percussion touring, but I wasn't officially involved because the 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:49.800 sixth brother was going to be confusingly. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:55.160 Yeah, okay, so at the time when you guys were performing, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:17:01.280 it was still Ronnie on keyboards and John Johnny so 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.920 that was definitely your brother Jermaine on bass. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:08.479 And yeah yeah yeah yo he Jamaine Jamaine Jamainic can play. Yo. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.679 I was gonna say, like on that Indiana concert, Uh, 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.280 you can play. Yeah. He was kind of killing on 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:16.760 some James Jamison. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.200 So yeah, So at least back then as far as 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.960 because I want to compare or at least. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.080 Find out the difference between. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.840 Touring life in seventy two, seventy three, seventy four versus 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.840 ten years later the Victory Tour, which I'm sure as 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.520 like apples and oranges, but at least for back then, Uh, 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:48.400 Like I'm noticing that, uh, your brother's microphones sometimes it'd 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.199 be two or three of them taped together. As far 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:57.600 as technology is concerned, how were what would the could 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.720 you recall back then with like what the what the 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.879 as far as the the placement of speakers and all 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:04.720 those things. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:09.240 Like that's that's a good question in terms of recording, well. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.480 Not recording, just live because I know that the standard 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:19.240 for the standard for what what back line is today 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.760 versus back then. And you guys were playing stadiums, Like 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.200 if I was in the nosebleed, could I physically hear 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.639 what you guys were doing or it was just just 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.840 there to see physically what But back then, you know, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.960 we didn't have like pro tools or technology and things 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.640 like that, so yeah, monitors or any of them. Yeah, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:43.360 so everything was like real time, hands on, like as 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.359 you see it. And I remember like. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.800 Choco was doing our sound. But we had our guy 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:57.320 named uh name Rusty Okay, that song guy back then 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.400 we use the same guy from Texas and be tour. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.399 He was he was amazing. He's just he just had 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:08.399 a nice touching me. And during the show, I would somehow, 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.760 you know, figure out how to go out out in 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.520 the audience and in the disguise because I had to 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.159 hear the sound like what. Yeah, Like I'm the one, 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.840 I like my brothers, I'm the one who like pays 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.080 attention to all that stuff. It's like some of your 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.959 technically Yeah, I'm like I'm at every sound check I mean, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.000 I got to hear the sound. It's got to sound right. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.040 So I would sneak out there and hear a sound, 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.640 you know, doing a break and somebody's doing the solo. 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:35.720 I mean, like check it out. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:37.040 We need the drums, you know. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.440 So because you got a song. Even though we listened 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.960 to tapes afterwards, it's still not the same because the 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:46.280 tapes are just direct, but you're not hearing the way 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.680 it sounds out there. But you know, in those days, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:57.680 I think there was a a naturalness to it because 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.280 of the the analog and just everything in real time 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.600 that's missing today. You know, you know what I'm talking about. 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:12.000 It's missing today, and that those things that a little 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:13.600 bit out of sync or made a little bit of 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.639 flat all ads to making it sound great. It's all 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.040 part of the great. And you know what I'm talking about, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.840 it's like it makes it human. It gives it a 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.080 human element that's missing today. Everything's kind of too perfect 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.639 in a sense, and I feel that music loses its 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.000 dynamics now today. Sometimes I can put on a song 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.720 today and I can't tell if it's the beginning, middle 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.440 of the end, because it sounds the same straight through. 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.600 But in those days, you can tell what the beginning 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.800 of the middle of the end buss because it had 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.040 Beene dynamics and sometimes the temple would change from the 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.280 beginning of the song to the end song. Even that 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:49.600 was kind of a cool thing, you know. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.120 Fluctuation. Yeah, it breathes, yes too. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.399 I'll say that, at least for you guys. In my eyes, 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.160 you guys are like the first people to really benefit 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:09.600 the post civil rights era glory or the post dream 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:14.760 of what Martin was talking about, as far as like 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.320 you arriving in la and being of age and really 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.440 just benefiting, not saying that you guys haven't gone through 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.520 what most of Black America goes through in life. If anything, 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:30.240 you probably have business stories of double standards, and we'll 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:31.320 get into that, but. 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:33.800 Just on the. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:42.760 Just on the offset of of of what was it 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.280 like to I mean, I mean, I don't want to 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:51.879 say black Beatlemania, but just the idea of, yeah, what 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.800 was that actually like to be in a situation where 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.680 you're pretty much having to run for your life, run 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:00.400 every day? 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:02.840 And was it just like one Bill Braid trying to 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:04.720 protect the six of you guys or what? 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:07.040 Yeah, it was at one time and you know, it's 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:15.119 like it was interesting because I mean, yeah, it was 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:16.399 literally running for your life. 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:19.159 There was a few. 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.480 Times we were actually really scared and we got pretty dangerous. 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:27.760 I mean, in those days, we could never finish a 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.840 full show because they would actually rush the stage and 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.560 the stage would actually collapsed because all of the pressure 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.840 and the weight against the stage, it would fall. So 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.560 we Bill would be on the stage looking at the stage, 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:41.320 and we'd be looking at him. He's had his he'd 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.040 have his hand up, a signal, a signal. As soon 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:45.560 as he put his hand down, and he's dropped your 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:49.960 instrument to run. He's watching, he's watching, and we're still playing. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:55.680 We're looking at him. As soon as he goes like this, 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.399 it means go because the stage is clapping, fans are 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:00.919 rushing stage, and we got to get out of. 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:03.160 Man. 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.720 I'm just you know, did you guys actually invent like 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.440 the idea of entourages and because I mean, there's no 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.480 one parallel to that in black music at least, like 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:17.080 you know, I don't see girls chasing Parliament Funkadelic that 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.800 way or yeah, exactly, so. 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:22.000 Just the. 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:25.760 Just a trial, I mean, things that we take advantage 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.160 of now you know. I mean, I'm explaining to people 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.920 what the idea of a greeter at the airport means, 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.920 or a back durance or that sort of thing. But 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:39.160 you guys have to kind of find out the hard way. 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.000 And I'm certain that there weren't five star hotels at 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:42.679 the beginning, so. 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:48.760 Ends and the Hilton's, and Hilton was the five star, right, 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:52.120 but a lot of Ramona ends. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.239 And did it ever get tired of? Did it ever 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.720 get tired? Like were you at one point? Were you 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.560 just over it? Like Okay, this is not fun anymore? 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:05.640 Like where's my wallet? Or someone broke my room again? 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:10.119 You know, we had touring. It's like, you know, you 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:13.360 have fun on tours, like everybody becomes one family. It's 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.080 a lot of jokes, a lot of laughing. You make 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:18.200 it fun. And right around the middle of the tour 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.760 you can get a little stale. Then towards the end 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.560 it starts getting fun. Everybody knows getting going home, but 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.840 it starts getting fun. But man, it's it's a lot 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:29.639 of fun. Was it more of the grasses green? On 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:31.960 the other side though, Like I wish I was home 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.280 playing with my car collection on my court, and you 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:42.800 probably had rule like a tyco he probably had. Like yeah, 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.680 so I mean was it more like, ah, man, we 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.240 could to spend what places? Didn't you like to travel? 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.879 Like even now I'm starting to appreciate Europe, but in 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.480 the midst of it, like I couldn't stand, like we 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.119 got to do three months in Europe and. 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:01.920 I hate this really well. 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:06.520 I mean, first of all, like you know, we I'll say, 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.760 the roots were at least like the money wasn't rolling 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.720 in for the first ten years. So for me, Europe 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:16.399 was just like the worst hotels and living off of 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:21.720 this you know, twenty four hour McDonald's and back line 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:22.679 like that sort of thing. 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:28.200 But for you it was like you enjoyed it. 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.280 Yeah, I mean there are some places that we didn't 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:36.280 like going to too much, you know, you know, not 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.800 because based on the crowd. Like yeah, not because of 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.280 the crowd. I mean once we hit the stage and 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.800 and the people and the fans were there, it was 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.600 all love. But some of these racist towns it was 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.560 pretty roughs experienced that even as the Jackson fine walking 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:56.280 down the street, where was I and this guy was 0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:03.159 able to laune a watermelon at me? Was able laughing 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.920 and man walking down the street in South Carolina or something. 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:08.400 Yeah. 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.879 Oh for real, Yeah, keep me in the back of 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.520 the head with it. Yeah, yeah, it was. 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:14.760 It was. 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:16.040 It was rough some places. 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:16.280 Uh. 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.840 We're always get threats from the from the KKK all 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:20.240 the time. 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.639 Seriously, Yes, this is the stuff we never heard of. 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.919 Oh yeah, there'd be threats a few times. I had 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.600 to walk on stage with a bulletproof vest Yeah what 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.080 underneath my custom I had a bulletproof vesta. 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:43.320 Threats Triumph era, Destiny era era Yeah seriously yeah, yeah, Yo, 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.640 Victory Tour, we had a we had a really bad threat. 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.240 The FBI came out. They they were in the trees. 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.639 We had a feat there was bombs. It was some 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.399 hate organizations and uh and that was the first one 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.480 on stage and victortorre I had that whole thing on. Yeah, 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:04.879 the armor, yeah, and then the bulletproof vest on into that, 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.720 and I was like, it's crazy. Seriously, we did the show. 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:09.200 We didn't stop y'all. 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:10.000 Never let that out. 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.720 No, that's crazy because we didn't know. You let that out, 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.760 you may get more people copycats. So we're going to 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:17.440 keep this quiet. 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.359 I can't even imagine, like the Jackson's in the era 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:26.920 of social media, Like if that were a thing, it 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:33.280 would have been they were social media. There's one particular. 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:37.200 Show that I see a lot of, or at least 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.760 like small shots of, but there's no clips of what 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.240 was the experience of. Do you remember anything about you 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:44.520 guys's trip to Jamaica? 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.920 Yes, because I see that photo of you guys hanging 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:49.880 with Bob Marley and that's all I see. 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.240 But what was Yeah, we went to his house and 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.800 stay there before he passed away, and I remember it 0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:00.639 was cool. It was a cool experience. In fact, they 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.560 did the documentary and when there's one part of the 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.800 really yeah, the most recent one I think has came out. 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.639 But so you guys were hip to who he was 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:12.359 because I feel like. 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.440 He was nice. He was He invited us over. 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:17.879 We we uh we did. 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.119 We did a show there Jamaica, some shows there. He 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.600 invited us over and we had a good time. It 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:25.080 was cool. 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:33.080 There's the period that I particularly enjoyed, and I'm sure 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:34.960 a lot of it has to do with like my 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:44.280 age and finally seeing you guys, which you know, I've 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.560 read various brothers like either roll their eyes at the 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.959 period or whatever. But for me, like you know, uh, 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:58.280 the Variety Show era Jackson's, the Vegas era Jackson's, Like, 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:03.320 I particularly like that stuff because it's well. 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.400 What people don't know about those things, like even the 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.800 Vegas stuff even excuse me, and even the Variety Show. 0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:18.800 We that show was really successful. Yeah, but we we 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.040 limited to just ten shows and we didn't want to 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.720 do any more than that. And the same thing with Vegas. 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.040 We don't want to go back to Vegas because we 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.360 wanted to do more music. We wanted to make it 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.160 more musical, not just like for us, it wasn't just 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.160 about going to Vegas, you know, doing the show and 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.000 making good money. We wanted to keep your musical at 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:39.680 the time. We went to going to the studio, make 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.160 more albums, record and take it to our next level. 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.600 But your brother said that, you know, to do Vegas 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.400 or at least to do the Variety Show was more 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:47.320 like old hat. 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.200 And yeah, we didn't. We only did ten ten shows. 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.360 So even in doing the show, it was sort of 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.280 like this is corny, like we rather we enjoyed it, 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.560 but we didn't want that to be our brand. 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.920 We didn't want to be rep you know, variety Show. No, 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:09.080 we said we want to make great albums, perform in 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.680 some large stadiums, and make people happy. 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:17.960 So by the mid seventies especially, we know that you guys, 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:24.360 uh exit it for Motown in seventy five, and part 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:25.959 of the reason was that, you know, you wanted your 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:26.680 independence and. 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:31.959 Doing production and writing. 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:37.840 How like, how frustrating was it to watch Marvin and 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:44.200 especially Stevie, who was at the apex of his you know, 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.560 of the peak of his powers by that period, for 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.160 you guys not to be able to get the trust 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:54.200 to do the same thing. And were you even developing 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:58.640 songs where you play them songs like here this is Motown. Yeah, no, 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:04.880 we weren't playing And so it was. It was still 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.960 very new in the Motown days in the sense and 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:13.040 we were all very young, and so the songs were 0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:17.400 written produced. But Stevie and Marvin they were like family. 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.080 They would always be around at the house. Stevie is 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:21.680 like a third cousin of our Did you know that? 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:23.600 Oh? Literally? 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.480 Yeah? Literally, yeah, I didn't know. A lot of people 0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.160 don't know that. I don't know. We never talked about. 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:29.760 I was talking to him the other day. We were 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.479 talking about nobody knows that to us, But he's related 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:39.920 to us through our mother, so but it was like 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:43.120 they're always around. It's like we're just kind of family. 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:48.800 And and what greater experience can you have than to 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.360 be playing basketball with Marvin then going to the studio 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.920 and just just you know what I mean. So h 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.080 I look at I look back at those days, and 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:02.239 it's like, how could you not learn? You know, how 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:06.800 could you not learn by being by such great, iconic, 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.920 you know, musical people. 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.000 So was it officially put to you that we want 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.480 you officially in the group circa seventy five seventy six 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.320 or was it just assumed like, okay, you now feel 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:21.800 in the spot? 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:28.000 And no, it was it was officially. I was already 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:33.640 in the group, but it wasn't publicly right, okay exposed. 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.960 It was when we left Motown. I think because of 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.960 the writing and the songs I'd written that it became 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:51.560 public And the first song on well, first we went, 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.240 we did the Gamble and Hof stuff and that was 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.640 another great experience with Kenny Gamble Leon How those guys 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:57.600 are amazing. 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.360 Yeah, the first time I got to see you guys 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:00.880 in person. 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:06.160 Philly International was literally next door to my elementary school, 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:07.120 so usually. 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.600 During recess. Uh, I wouldn't. 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.520 I've seen you guys maybe like once or twice run 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:19.440 through Philly International. Yeah, there's on Broad Street three thirteen. 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.400 A lot of times you'd see Pendergrass and his voice 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:29.880 just yeah, yeah, yeah, posted out front and you're a girl, 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.760 yeah yeah, and then it's like, oh, Teddy must be outside. 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.000 But that was pretty much like my first second third 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.520 grade experiences were just seeing that. 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:42.520 I know that. 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.680 I want to know what the songwriting process was like 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.240 once you guys got your chance, because uh, I think 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.440 on the first album you get, there's two songs, correct, 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.840 there's blues Away and there is a style of life. 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:59.600 I think the last song on Inside No no No, 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:00.840 that's go in places. 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:06.480 So you're talking about the first the first album, the album, yeah, 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:07.520 blues Away and style. 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:13.880 So you're going to epic where you guys sing. 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:18.239 Initially to Ron and those guys like yo, we want 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.600 to produce this entire album was just like a baby steps. 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:23.440 I think we'll give you one of two songs and 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.319 see what happens. But nowadays, like artists have a lot 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.239 more freedom to do what they want, you know, right, 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:33.280 you know, but in those days, it's all about developing 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:37.120 artists and recordly it was actually spending money on developing artists. 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.759 So you have to prove yourself as a writer. You 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:41.440 could come in like they wouldn't let you come in 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.719 and just write and produce and everything you did. So 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:48.640 they I think they wanted to. They let us do 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.360 two songs and see how that worked. That was like 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.719 kind of a trial. So how many to get to 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.719 those two songs? How many songs did you guys have 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.680 to prepare through just to get to Okay, we like 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:01.120 these two. 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:10.840 Yeah, it was it was for us writing. There's always 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:14.360 been like I've never sat down and say, Okay, I 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.160 need to write this song. It always just it's kind 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.040 of a fun thing and it always comes out of fun. Okay, 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.200 and this happens we always as brothers. We would always 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:23.960 get in the room. That's funny becausehen we get in 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:25.719 the room, like when we work in those songs, we 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.839 get in the room for the first I would say 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:34.480 two three days we just talked. It could be about anything. 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.640 It could be about the Lakers, could it could be 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:41.840 But we were also writing, were also developing because we 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:43.920 hadn't seen each other while getting comfortable with each other, 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.320 so that natural thing can come out, you know. So 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.840 we talk all day, we played laugh, then we go 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.200 play a little basketball, you know, and then we eat. 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:56.040 Then we go home, never writing, never, never picked up instrument, 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.279 do the same thing. Then about the third day, you know, 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.680 we start writing. Okay, that sounds good. You know, let's 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:02.880 do that. 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.280 So as far as the division of labor is concerned, 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.120 like are you at the piano or yeah? Do you 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.520 your other brothers play instruments as well? You know, Jermaine plays, 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.480 and that it always kind of starts with the piano. 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.040 As music today, the rest things start with the piano. 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:18.000 So I'm. 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.120 I'm at the piano playing some some core progressions and 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:27.480 structures and things and and creating some grooves and you know, 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.480 maybe this brother at that, their brother at that, and 0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:33.080 it comes together. 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.759 Okay, and then you presented the gamble on huff and 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:42.640 then yeah, that sort of thing. So the transition that 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:49.920 leads to the Destiny album, which is weird because I 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:54.360 guess me as a kid, I didn't see whether or not, 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:58.160 you know, if Going Places was a commercial disappointment or not. 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.600 I mean, I liked that record, but again, you know, 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.799 I'm six years old, so I don't know any better, 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:11.040 But what was the what was your general feeling with 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:15.719 going places that led to kind of the do or 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.479 die perception of what Destiny represented for you guys. 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:23.400 Well, Sony it was it was Bibby Colombia. What recall 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.160 that Sony was like the anti guy. 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:28.960 From Blood, Sweat and Tears by Columbia, but. 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:36.800 You know the drummer, Yeah, and he and they he 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:42.480 and CBS at the time, Sony CBS trusted us to 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:48.000 write and produce our own album, Destiny. 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.600 But what was the meeting that said, look, guys, we 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.120 really have an album in us that we want to 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:54.360 do ourselves without. 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.239 Okay, well, we always wanted to do that, so we 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.520 always felt that we were ready, but they didn't know. 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.160 Said what you asking. We felt that we were ready, 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:10.439 but they didn't know if we were ready. And after 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.760 we had done the the the two albums with Gambling 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:24.160 Huff and for the third album, we submitted these some 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:26.399 songs and they liked all of them. 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.840 So they're demos for all the songs that are on 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:34.359 Destiny before. Yes, and was that the mosut operanti back then? 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:38.520 Like you had to make a full scale demo before that? 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:43.160 Even Yeah, can you imagine that, Steve, that's my life. Yes, 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.000 I can't imagine it. Actually, I don't have to imagine it. 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:48.240 And and and you know these are demos without computers 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:49.840 and the full skulled demo. 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:56.520 And so how full scale was the Ensino studio, which 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.800 I assume that you guys did all of your was 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.040 it just was it full scale enough for you to 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:03.000 actually record there? 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:03.560 Yes? 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:08.759 Oh yes, absolutely. There was a drum booth. Everything was there, 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:15.520 so we could do a full called demo. And so 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.080 here we thinking they're gonna pick one or two tracks 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:23.040 or whatever like that, but they like everything. They're like, wow, 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:28.000 this is this is nice. So we were happy about 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.239 that of course, and UH just grateful to have the 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:38.320 opportunity to do it ourselves. And Bobby also uh and 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.600 Akison also produced it with us. 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:48.160 I recall, so, can you tell the story or or 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.160 the genesis of how shake your Body that? 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.280 Like from start to finish? How how that song got written? 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:54.920 It's funny because. 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:00.160 Like, like that. 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.360 That groove was a grou that I played. I started 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.239 playing the crew like thirteen or fourteen, So. 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.760 You've had those those piano chords in your head. 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:15.520 For the longest. The baseline. Mm hmm, you know the 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:20.240 bass line. I was influenced by Teddy's. 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.799 What did I tell you? You don't get that, don't 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.440 get fun, get loose? All right? I told this a 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:32.279 feeling games right, And he's like, I don't think so, but. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:37.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was in the baseline that I 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:38.400 was influenced by the baseline. 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.719 Yeah, like most songs are derivative of other ideas you hear, and. 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.960 Yeah, just more because I was around Teddy and the 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.640 whole Philadelphia International, it just came out that way and. 0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:53.040 Okay, shows over now. 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:56.640 Yeah, so you're right. 0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:02.600 And only say that because, as as a watcher of 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:10.799 what's happening, whenever Rerun would dance on that show, they 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.200 would do and you know, like when when when people 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.919 score and place music on on TV shows, of course 0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.640 they don't license the real song. They get somebody to 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:23.239 do a sound alike of it, and their version of 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:28.440 it was somewhere the thin line between Teddy's song and 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:30.200 what would shake your body down to the ground. So 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.200 whenever I think of Rerun dancing, I'm thinking of both songs. 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.320 And I was like, I wonder if their experiences in 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:37.480 Philly sort of. 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.600 Brought that on. Yeah, I always said that shake was 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.279 the sort of somewhere between got to Give it Up 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:53.920 and and and Teddy's song. So the song is eight 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:55.920 minutes and it's. 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:04.239 It's it's linear and goes ahead without a bridge without yeah, 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.160 but yet it works. So as far as structuring the 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.200 song is concerned, how did you guys. 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:14.600 Well, you know, and and that was wasn't it like 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:18.359 the disco the dance era, everybody just want to dance, 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.719 So we want to have that write one song. And 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:26.800 it's funny because before we even before we even recorded 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.799 that song, we knew that that would be the song 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.960 from that album. You know, we knew it that that 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:37.160 that would be the track. And it started with with 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:45.359 a groove and and melody, but then we had Tom 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.840 Tom eighty four, the all these great people just to 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.160 add all these layers to to give it structure and. 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:57.640 Right, you know, and. 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:03.680 Just so it wasn't too repetitive and boring. 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.040 To jump off that real quick because you just mentioned strings, 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.640 How did you guys enlist Claire Fisher to do? 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:19.480 Uh, push me away? That's interesting. We always like Claire's work. 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.560 Were you a fan of ask Rufus? Yeah? A man 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:25.440 you read everything about the credits. 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.480 No, well, yeah, I mean I know Claire like where 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:35.319 clear stands, So oh no, no stands stands meaning we're yeah, yeah, 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:41.560 shout out to eminem stand as in the Eminem terms. 0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:45.200 It's a nice way of saying fanatic word near stalker. 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:50.040 But uh no any from that, ask rufus. Record means 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.200 everything does, and thus you know that influenced Prince. That's 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.320 why Prince used Claire on his record and stuff. So 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:03.719 ask Rufus hearing that, yes, really yes, who was? So 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:08.320 were you the one that who was who was the 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.920 taste maker of the group, the one that listened to 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:12.839 the most records? And you know you gotta check this out. 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:15.040 We all do, we all did. 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.839 What was your record collection? Like, nks for stealing my question, 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:20.839 I'm sorry one question. 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:26.960 But for us, it was just like our house was 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:27.640 just musical. 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:28.880 I mean it was. 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:34.080 Not a record but we just always it was like 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:38.200 we just liked music a lot. And my mom is 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:41.840 like everybody was. We just we just loved music and 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:48.840 it was part of life. It wasn't like, hey, it 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.880 wasn't business to us. It was it was a life. 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.880 It's a life. So with something good came out. I 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:59.160 don't care what it was. We liked it, from country 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.440 music to to R and B to rock, whatever it was. 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:06.080 I mean, we liked and we appreciated it. 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:12.120 So in general, now I got okay, goohd. In my family, 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:18.200 it was always. 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:25.880 I mean, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean Jackie was 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:30.040 all green. Okay, everything our green, like he was like, 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.960 I mean, he was like al green was it? So 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:35.719 we always heard we had enough, we had a. 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.480 Lot of our green. Wait was there just one stereo 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:40.840 in the house. Yeah, and then see you know. 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:48.640 Yeah, Marn's Morn's table and uh so Jackie was out 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:57.560 all green. Michael was like Sylvan Croft, uh the motown stuff. 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.839 And I was always like the grooves, Seals and Croft. 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.120 Ye wait a second, go back. 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.799 That was the first. That's the first name that came 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:09.080 to mind. Yeah, I mean name cover. 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:16.200 No, it's no summer Breeze, They're not okay, I'm sorry, yeah, 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:17.959 it makes okay wow. 0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:22.040 And I always like more grooves. But because Michael and 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:26.239 my room together, uh, he would always take authority over 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.560 what music would be playing because I was younger than him, right, 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.319 So so it was like Silsan Croft bread. 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.240 Stuff like that. And rock, So I started to appreciate 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:40.640 that stuff. Okay, what was it about, uh, seals and 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.239 crofts and bread? It was like harmonies, that was. 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:54.680 Harmonies and melodies. Wow Ah, in America, we all liked America. Okay, 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.759 America was moody blues. I used to like, I like, 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:06.120 I like moody blues growing up. Yeah. Yeah, and then 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:08.880 I love Joni Mitchell. I was a kid in school. 0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:19.359 List the Summer Ones or which? Okay, so well that's 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.960 one question I forgot. What is your what's your. 0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:28.279 Your Desert Island five albums like your go to even now, 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:28.960 like you're. 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:40.200 Hm hmm, that's such an unfair question. It's like like 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:40.840 a week. 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:48.400 Nowadays because music's yeah, it's overwhelming. It's because like, and 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.080 I still listen to a lot of Monk, like Thelonious Monk. 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:52.920 I'm just like, this is like a genius to me. 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:57.040 And I mean sometimes I stay like three or four 0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:00.279 in the mornings just on YouTube just watching them because 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.360 i mean, just he was doing something in the style 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:05.920 of doing it with so unorthodox and with some rings 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:12.840 on it, you know. So I'm like, I mean, I 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:14.960 appreciate a lot of Stevie. 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:21.440 Those albums, Monk's studio attitude to his engineer Teo is 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:22.200 one of my favorite. 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:27.680 Moving on Stevie Stevie. You're gonna tell him about Stevie. 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.440 Yeah, so that that that roads back there is actually 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:35.040 Stevie's uh the Roads from Music of My Mind and 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.960 Talking Book and was intervisions here as well. No, I 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.840 think just two yeah, talking Book of musical Yeah, he 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:47.640 recorded Musical my Mind and Talking Book here. Steve is 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.799 all right for I'll say twenty years ago, we've been 0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:56.760 uh in the studio, starting with d'angelo's Voodoo album. 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.239 So we will watch that. That the loone, this. 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:05.880 Monk documentary where uh, Felonius would be at the piano, 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.480 and then he tell Teo his his engineer, all right, 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.239 play the tape back, and then t was like, I 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.759 didn't record that. Then Tolio said, all right, I want 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:16.400 to hear it, and he's like, no, I didn't record it. 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.000 All right, just play it back for me. I didn't 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:26.160 record it. So that's our relationship Teo and Felonious. Hey question, uh, 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:32.320 I I don't know who I asked this, uh about 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:36.600 the Doobie Brothers incident, but who was it? Doobies were 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:38.680 always good. Doubies are good friends of ours. 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.480 Michael, that's right, Michael was on the Okay, I forgot 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:43.160 who's on the show. 0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:47.440 Yeah, I read no, no, no, what I was reading 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.560 there's a there's an old press photo of the Jackson's 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.680 and the Doobies on stage and it says like a 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:59.040 there was a long, long, long train run and shake 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.560 your body down to the gri around mess performance. What 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.680 was the connection between the two. Were you the same 0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:09.360 manager of publicists? Now, we had mutual friends, and the 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:11.719 guy that we went to school with, we grew up 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.440 with became like their publicists. 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:15.880 Okay, So. 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.480 So we would go to their shows and the Doobies, man, 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.880 they're just a bunch of nice guys, extremely talented. Like 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:27.680 I like all their music. Blackwater it's one of my 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:34.280 favorite songs of theirs. But yeah, that's how it happened. 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:40.080 And so when they would perform sometimes I remember, I 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.960 think that photo you may have seen was could have 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:46.520 been at the form Okay, it seemed like. 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.279 It was at a smaller club. Yeah, it was like 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:51.200 a small I don't know. 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:55.879 We had been on stage a few times together. Yeah, 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:57.280 but that's just friends. 0:50:58.440 --> 0:50:58.680 Okay. 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:06.000 So speaking of concerts. Oh hell yeah, because I got 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.120 on punishment for this thing. This is one of this 0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:10.239 is one of two Randy. 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:16.000 U punishments for me. Who's idea was it for you 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:18.319 to be the daredevil of the group? 0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:18.920 Me? 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.400 It was an idea. It was who I was. 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.440 Okay, for our listeners that don't know. 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:33.200 I've come, I've changed a lot lately, thanks to God. 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:35.560 No, no, no, I've just been daredevil. 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:40.960 In terms of any time that pyrotechniques or any explosion 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:45.600 was introduced in any Jackson show, it's usually at the 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.319 hands of Randy, And so I'm wondering, like, is there okay? 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:51.320 Like how is it conceptualized? 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.000 Like, Okay, after I do this solo, then I'm gonna 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.239 throw this flash paper down and this explosion is going 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:59.719 to happen because the seven year old's watching this, right, 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:04.279 and then he sees his grandmom's speed stick in the bathroom. 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.640 And damn near such a South Philadelphia house with fire. 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:16.120 I think we're almost Thanks Randy, I appreciate that. Where'd 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:17.120 you get this idea from? 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.440 I think we were putting a other those shows. 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.000 I mean, was it dug hitting? 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:27.920 Like who's the that stuff? Like duck hitting stuff? The 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:31.600 power technics all that. We were doing that back in 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:33.520 the seventies exactly. 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:40.200 So even when you do yourself in the like did 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.360 you see where you going to kiss shows? Or like 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.360 what was the what was the genesis of. 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.600 It's it's just I think that. 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:59.719 As band in the seventies right back then you want 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:03.279 to kind of open things up. It's a little bit 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:08.160 more exciting, you know. And Puss was also relative. Like 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:09.879 I had a lab. I had a lab at home, 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:13.040 chemistry lab. I tried to blow stuff and try. 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:17.360 To make what, wow, Randy Jackson the unibomber. 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:22.480 You know, you know those little chimstry laps for you 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:24.919 right you're talking about right, So I had one of those, 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:31.000 and you used to have one of those. Yeah, they 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.000 don't have those anymore house they're too dangerous now. But 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:35.800 back in those days you get a chemistry lab and 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:37.240 make bombs and stuff. 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:40.279 Yeah, but. 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:46.120 You know, yeah, that's all that stuff just we just 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.959 wanted to do something different, excitement, a little bit more fun. 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.080 And and uh when you think about like play a 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:53.680 solo than throw blow up a bomb. 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.920 And but I'm saying physically it doesn't make sense. But no, no, no, 0:53:59.040 --> 0:53:59.520 that's the thing. 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:03.399 Seeing it, it was exciting as hell because even when 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:08.600 like I didn't get to see the first two Destiny runs, 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:13.040 so usually it's someone in my class come back explain it. 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:17.800 Like then the next thing, you know, this explosion goes. 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.920 Off and you're just trying to imagine, like what is 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.560 happening on The Jackson Show. But then again it's like, 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.920 you know, earth Wind and Fire is introducing lasers and 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:32.440 levitation and this stuff, and parliaments doing theatrics. Like between 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:35.680 the three camps, between the Jackson's, the p Funk and 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:39.360 the the Earth Wind and Fire camp, there was like 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:43.319 a rush to hoo can out theatrics each other. 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:46.880 And so was that a thing where you guys like 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:47.560 going to peep. 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:49.360 Did you ever go to p Funk shows and be 0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:54.600 like yo, Space and earth Wind and Fire they had 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:58.880 the theatrics and we were huge Earth Winding Fire fans, 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:06.040 just the musicianship Larry Down, just huge fans of theirs. 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:07.960 And I would just go in the studio just watch them, 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:12.960 just watch watch, watch watch, like the original eighty eight Keys. 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:17.000 Just stop to wait too soon. I'm sorry, idiot, I 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:21.680 don't mean that, I'm sorry. You would just show up 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:25.080 with people like it's weird, like albums that you know 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:28.960 that are landmark or whatever. You're just hey, I'll show 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:32.880 up in and yeah and visit Like how many what 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:37.080 what Landmark sessions have you or witnessed too that you 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:38.279 didn't know at the time, Like. 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:42.279 I was there when another other friends of ours for 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:47.320 total when they were making South Africa, right, yeah, mixing 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:50.480 it up us there. Those dudes are like so talented, 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:54.600 great people, great guys. They went to receive a high 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:56.400 school which was like right around the corner from the 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:59.040 school we went to. But they were just very talented people. 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:01.320 Okay, this is the fourth time eged in school, so 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:05.200 even after moving to La you guys were still in 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:06.720 a regular high school experience. 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.719 Yes, how does that happen because or not? How does 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.680 it happen? Like when we were off a tour, we 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:17.440 went to regular school. When we toured, we had teachers 0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:25.320 that traveled with us tutors. It was an issue. It 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.360 was a little bit of an issue, but we'll be 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:30.239 able to get it down. 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.160 So it wasn't a thing Like I mean, did it 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.320 feel awkward? Like okay, now we're going to try normally 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:38.040 for a second. 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.080 Yeah, and it was an issue, you know, the girls 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:44.200 with the girls. 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:47.439 I didn't even get to that part. 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:53.000 Yeah, were there like bullies in your I'm going to 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:54.080 beat up a Jackson today? 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:57.239 Yes? Yes, the jealousy and this and that. 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:03.440 So how do you how how do you navigate I 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.960 mean just general safety? How do you navigate safety and 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.520 be normal? Because it's like you're either going to just 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:13.840 stay behind the gates of haven herths. 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:15.360 Right or that's what it was. 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:18.080 I really want to go see Rocky too at the 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:21.520 movie theater. And is it like you have to wear 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:25.040 a hat or yeah? I think do I call you Stephen? 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:26.360 In the high school and in. 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:31.880 The beginning, like we kind of didn't realize the enormity 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.040 of the success and until we came home and you 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:36.560 go to the market and you go to the stores 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:38.600 and people look at you, following and taking pictures and 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:42.120 all that, and then you start to realize, you know, 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:47.080 even in your private life, you know, it's it's still 0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:50.040 that you started to think, Wow, it's kind of weird, 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:54.960 but but yeah, it was that element was there. But 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:56.400 that's all part of it, though, is like. 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.600 That's what it is. You know, this is what you 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:01.120 signed up for. 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:03.040 Yeah, I get it what you signed up for? 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:05.640 All right, quick second punishment? All right, go ahead. 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:08.320 So I have to ask this question. 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:10.280 This episode. 0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:22.440 Yeah, yes, every time. Yes, I remember, I'll never forget 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:24.680 this story. And my brothers they were here. If our 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:26.720 brothers were in this room, I wasn't they tell you 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:31.560 this story because I love it. We had done it 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:35.560 a couple of nights at the forum, I think it was, 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:40.920 and I was what year I was ten years old? 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.680 I think I was very young, nine ten so. 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.320 Looking through the windows period, Yeah, yeah, okay. 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:46.800 And. 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:55.240 Came home. My mom says, okay, Rannie, it's your turn 0:58:55.840 --> 0:59:02.160 to take out the cabbage. Then I'm just I've been 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:06.439 on stage fromt of eighteen thousand people. I'm coming home 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:09.440 and she's telling me to take out the garbage. So 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:21.040 I said, I said, Mom, I have fans right right. 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.960 You know where this is going. You know how your 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:26.120 parents just give you that look? 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:26.600 I know. 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:32.840 And my father's eating, he stops eating, you know, and 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:34.320 they just gave you that look. I said, Mom, I 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:36.160 have fans. Now, I said, why don't I just call 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:41.040 my fan club? Yeah, my mom, she said, she says, 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:55.360 are you serious? One of those looks I'm like okay, okay, yeah, yeah, 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:59.720 so we did them. We did them after a huge 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:03.240 ex hour. We come home, rake the leagues, take out 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:04.600 the garbage, and do the dishes. 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:10.480 That was it. So the division of domestic labor was 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:11.280 still in effect. 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:17.840 Oh yeah, man, okay, all right, speaking of parents and punishments. 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:23.800 The second one, okay, so, uh watching. 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:32.640 Soul Trained tenth anniversary show, Randy's playing what I believe 1:00:32.800 --> 1:00:35.920 is the fine line between what a key tar is 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:39.960 and a very miniature roads on a guitar strap. 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:44.920 Yeah, so I get the bright idea. 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:47.240 That's before they had keyboards. 1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:52.280 Yeah, I know, I know. And so I was like, yo, 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.040 that's I wanted to play that. And so. 1:00:55.960 --> 1:01:02.080 I go to my dad's keyboard players Wolitzer no, yeah, 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:06.560 and I take the lakes off the waltzer. 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:08.080 Was that heavy? 1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:10.240 Well I was eight at the time, so yeah, it 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:14.000 was kind of heavy, and uh yeah, I dropped that 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:15.040 walletzer and. 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:21.840 That was the one, Yeah that that was a bad punishment. 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:26.080 All I remember was the day I tried to discott, 1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:29.560 like I dropped the wallets because I couldn't figure out 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:32.360 like how to put the guitar struck, Like there was 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:33.400 nothing on the side. 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:35.200 So I was like, all right, I'll just carry it, 1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:40.280 and I dropped it, and uh. 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:45.480 I just remember like my punishments were, you know, were 1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:50.200 besides no, besides the belt, Yeah, there was there. There 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:53.400 was carpar punishment, but then we're really hit at home 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:59.400 was either no soul train or music, and central heating 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:02.400 was out there year like I just got central heating 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:07.120 by heat wave and they took my average white band 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:09.040 and my central heating away from me. 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:12.120 And so thanks for Randy. I appreciate that. 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:13.880 I'm sorry. 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:15.320 That's not his fault. 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:15.560 Man. 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:21.000 Yeah, He's made it look so cool. 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:21.240 Man. 1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:24.600 I was just like, okay, wait, so what was it? 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:28.800 Because that wasn't a key tar? No? Was it a roads? 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:29.680 What was it? 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:29.840 No? 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:30.400 That was that? 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:31.520 What was that? 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:33.120 That? 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:41.040 That was? I remember that because because I also used 1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:45.400 it on Dick Clark bandstand. 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:47.600 All all the dustinies or like that was your Yeah, 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:48.840 we had a stand up. 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:51.200 Roads, you know, we we we have these techies. That 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:54.400 that one particularly was something that was made for me 1:02:55.560 --> 1:03:01.480 and uh yeah, I play about it. But what I 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:05.640 liked about that that one was was the was the 1:03:05.680 --> 1:03:10.520 bottom portion the baseline right right right? That's cool? 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:12.920 Uh I see, I see now. 1:03:14.040 --> 1:03:16.120 Yeah, I was like that it must have been heavy 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:19.439 to play and dance to, but you made a little 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:24.560 effortless and it wasn't effortless at all. We got to 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:27.040 ask about how can I be sure and love song 1:03:27.080 --> 1:03:27.439 for kids? 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:28.680 All right? 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:33.360 So you made a single right before Dance Destiny in 1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:36.800 seventy eight. So what was what was the initial plan? 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:37.640 Uh? 1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:42.480 As far as were you actively trying to pursue a 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:45.880 full recording album or I think. 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:53.200 The vision of my father with all of us, even 1:03:53.240 --> 1:03:56.520 with Janet, he was always trying to get us to 1:03:56.600 --> 1:04:01.400 do things on our own solo career and Janet and that, 1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:03.920 and so you wanted me to make a song how 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:07.800 can I be sure? And that's how that happened. 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:12.200 Do you want to do solo stuff or were you comfortable? 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:17.280 Because I know that I've always been. I've always been like, 1:04:17.440 --> 1:04:21.600 I like being in the back, I like writing and creating. 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:25.919 I'm all about music. I just want to do the music, 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:31.880 you know, And I love performing. Mean the camera part 1:04:31.920 --> 1:04:35.400 of it. I like the cameras. It's okay, but I 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:38.200 mean I don't hate it. But it's all about where 1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:38.840 we are right now. 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:45.240 Yeah, man, So you prefer studios because because I can 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:47.640 enjoy music at home as much as I could for me, 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:50.760 I can enjoy music at home, playing it, writing it 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:54.040 almost as much as big on the stage. I mean, 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:57.000 I I just like it. You know, by the time 1:04:57.040 --> 1:05:00.200 I wake up, I go to bed. I mean still 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:00.960 a fan of music. 1:05:01.880 --> 1:05:02.320 Okay you. 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:12.480 Speaking of which, the Triumph album question number one. Who 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:13.520 engineered that record? 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:20.480 A guy named Bill. 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:22.040 He was. 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:25.640 I'm telling you he engineered earthmen and fire. That's why 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:28.120 we chose him. I'm trying to get it full name. 1:05:28.120 --> 1:05:30.800 I gotta look at the credits. I've never thought of 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:37.760 it from that. Yeah why Okay, So because engineers are great. 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:41.360 Shout outs to Rusty. Shout outs to Bill. 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:42.840 No. 1:05:42.960 --> 1:05:47.720 No, only because okay thee So I'm his engineer. Yeah? 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:48.440 So in. 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:55.040 Am I am I pursuit of I collect stems now 1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:59.360 m and well previously, when I was teaching at n 1:05:59.440 --> 1:06:02.680 y U, I use stems to demonstrate for the class. 1:06:03.200 --> 1:06:06.240 So the thing is, when I got the Triumph stems 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:14.000 and started doing my rough mixes, I don't know, I 1:06:14.320 --> 1:06:17.439 feel like the equuing that I did brought more life 1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:23.040 to it, made it more fuller sounding and whatnot. And 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:24.920 then when I was listening to the originals, I was like, 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:29.160 why does this sound so compressed? And so I always 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:33.480 wanted to know what the process was in making the 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:36.760 Triumph record. Now I also realized that one thing I 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:41.480 didn't take into consideration is that you're only given sixteen 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:44.920 minutes aside of a record because there's a lot of edits. 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:49.480 I didn't even know that was an API console. I remember, 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:55.360 so you had those five fifty a's eqs on those 1:06:56.080 --> 1:07:01.480 very punchy signing console, the old APIs and uh but 1:07:01.600 --> 1:07:05.760 also can be a little mid rangeye, also in the middle, 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:10.840 not really after the mid range in Bottomy, not on 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:11.400 the highs. 1:07:12.320 --> 1:07:16.240 So but hm. 1:07:18.440 --> 1:07:22.120 So mix dan tract on on API. Okay, I see, 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:27.640 So it's not necessarily overcompressed. It's just maybe just dark, right, 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:32.920 it's dark definitely Actually with both of those records. 1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:38.520 The same engineer on both of the records, as recall 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:41.320 Desty and Triumph. Yeah, the same engineer. 1:07:41.560 --> 1:07:46.000 So speak of Greg filling games and how he was 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:47.080 brought into the fold. 1:07:49.000 --> 1:07:50.160 How was it. 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:54.240 You guys pursuing him with the label saying hey we want. 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:58.560 To be Okay, it's funny because like the songs I wrote, 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:01.160 Greg Greg can play them than me, which is great. 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:03.080 He made he made him sound great. 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:07.840 I was like, cool, I'm with it, but uh, were 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:09.440 you tracking your songs. 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:14.640 And something like something and stuff on like don't stop, 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:16.360 you get enough, Like we tracked that stuff just like that, 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:22.040 those demos. There's demos for the other stuff up if. 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.840 You worked on Off the Wall as well. Okay, so. 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:27.600 I'll get to some of those demos and stuff you 1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:31.560 want to hear. Definitely, Yeah, we would always track it 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:32.519 like that. 1:08:32.640 --> 1:08:32.720 But. 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:45.680 We wanted to bring someone like Gregan two. Greg was 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:47.840 played with Stevie and all that kind of stuff, but 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:50.040 he had just he hadn't he hadn't been with Stevie 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:54.040 a long time. And well we brought him in and 1:08:54.280 --> 1:08:58.160 uh he's been he's been with our family ever since then. 1:08:58.360 --> 1:08:58.639 Okay. 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:04.559 I was going to say the the unorthodox rhythm nature 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:08.360 of Shaky Body Down to the Ground was such a risk, 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:12.280 and it was a risk in nineteen seventy eight, seventy 1:09:12.439 --> 1:09:15.360 nine in the era disco where it was just like 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:20.400 four on the floor and one hundred and twenty nine bpms, 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:25.280 whereas Shaky Body Down, in my opinion, is more of 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:30.800 a high powered funk song than a disco song, and 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:36.719 because there's no definite one as far as the drums, 1:09:36.760 --> 1:09:39.680 like for some reason, like history is showing that the 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.760 drums are supposed to establish where the one was. 1:09:43.200 --> 1:09:46.120 Were there any concerns like, yo, we're putting our eggs 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:47.000 in this basket. 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:52.160 And because when and on the on the on the stems, 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:57.240 Ed Green is drumming, right, yeah, Barry White drummer. 1:09:57.880 --> 1:10:00.800 Yeah, I had that sound at that right. 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:01.960 But here's the funny thing. 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.280 So at the very beginning, there's there's in the in 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:10.599 the pre roll of of of those stems for twenty seconds, 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:17.559 I hear you and your brother Michael at ed Greens 1:10:17.640 --> 1:10:21.280 bruth saying don't do any feels, just keep it straight, 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:24.759 no feels, and you hear him say got it, no feels, 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:27.920 and I was like, whoa, that's that's that's weird to hear. 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:33.640 And the thing is that his track alone made it, 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:37.880 made it disco. And this is without hearing the overdubs 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:39.639 of the tom toms in the in the high at 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:45.200 So in the final mix when it turns out to 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:48.960 be what it was and it's a revolutionary ass ship, 1:10:51.280 --> 1:10:53.760 were there any concerns or was just like the ajournaline 1:10:53.800 --> 1:10:56.120 of the song, like, yo, there's nothing like this, and. 1:10:57.760 --> 1:11:03.120 And let's go with it. Let's over the risk. You know. 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:07.519 It's interesting because we always felt special about that song. 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:11.479 It's like it just had that thing on it. And 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:18.120 I remember putting ad on that song when we when 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:28.680 we did the track, because and he he has he 1:11:28.760 --> 1:11:31.200 has a signature sound, you know what I'm talking about. 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:34.040 This He is with a kick, you know, and it's 1:11:34.120 --> 1:11:36.800 kind of a lazy kick. But it's but but it's 1:11:36.840 --> 1:11:43.040 but it's but it worked. And but that drum beat 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:48.400 was was was a little bit awkward to just say yeah. 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:51.240 And but now I know, like a lot of drummers 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:53.880 appreciate that. They always say, man, that drum beat. Now 1:11:53.880 --> 1:11:55.000 all the drummers play that beat. 1:11:55.880 --> 1:12:01.439 But at the time where you can earn when it 1:12:01.520 --> 1:12:02.800 was formulated. 1:12:02.400 --> 1:12:03.120 Too much of a risk. 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:05.360 We thought about that a little bit because it was 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:10.200 it wasn't it was it was right, it wasn't defined 1:12:10.439 --> 1:12:12.519 right right, it was it wasn't for. 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:18.040 On the floor and I had them I'm two and 1:12:18.160 --> 1:12:23.439 four but yeah, but uh it's too and four. 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:24.280 But it. 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:28.360 It was a little bit of a risk, but we 1:12:28.520 --> 1:12:30.720 were confident in the song of it, like like like 1:12:30.840 --> 1:12:33.400 the song and it. 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:35.360 Was just a groove to us. It was just it 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:36.080 was just a groove. 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:39.080 What was Sony's reaction to it when you played it 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:41.560 to them, where they're like, okay, this is it? Or 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:44.519 were they too like, hey, this needs to be three 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:48.240 minutes and there's no hook. I mean there's no bridge 1:12:48.360 --> 1:12:52.280 and the drums are all over the place like where 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:55.120 they initially was Bobby like, we don't know. 1:12:55.520 --> 1:12:58.200 No, they they they liked that song a lot and 1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:00.280 they and they we like things I Do for you. 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:05.679 That was a groove to us. And uh, a quick question, 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:11.840 how much of influence was Jupiter on that song Things 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:16.360 that You Yes, Jupiter by earth Wooden Fire. That's interesting 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:19.040 because I wanted to know, you know why the five 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:22.360 minutes later in the fifteen seconds later correlation between the 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:26.360 two songs. But you know, it's funny because it's like 1:13:26.600 --> 1:13:32.760 for me, all right, wonder Fire, Like at the time, 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:37.720 I didn't realize it would just come out of me 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:39.920 that way. Like even like so like all Night Dancing 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:42.840 if you listen to the Icy Brothers, but I was listening. 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:45.240 I was listening to a lot of Icy then, so 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:46.720 you like like dud. 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:51.479 That is ok I never never thought that till right now. 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:55.160 Harvest for the world, right ship, it is. 1:13:56.720 --> 1:13:58.200 All right now, I'm gonna listen to it a whole 1:13:58.280 --> 1:13:59.639 different right right right. 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:03.080 So all those things are like influences. 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:12.960 Oh shit, I never all right forty years later now 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:16.560 now I'm just kidding forty years lay now I get it. 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:21.000 Oh damn, this is literally why he started this show 1:14:21.200 --> 1:14:23.080 to find out something exactly like that. 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:33.240 Oh shit, that's crazy. Okay, I have more Destiny questions. Okay. 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:42.040 Another thing, speaking of the title track of Destiny, whenever 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.240 these songs are performed on shows, when you guys are 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:51.639 promoting them, there's always that slow motion moment, which, again 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:54.840 in post production when you're watching it is like the 1:14:54.960 --> 1:15:02.479 crazy shit ever, But I can only imagine how much 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:06.559 leeway are you guys given to before you make these 1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:10.400 appearances on Midnight Special on Soldier and on American Bandstand. 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:16.280 Or Sunny and Share or whatever the production techniques of 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:17.479 the show. 1:15:18.560 --> 1:15:22.479 Like for me, just to just to control our mix 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:26.360 on Letterman was like a nightmare, like can we please 1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:27.280 eq our things? 1:15:27.320 --> 1:15:28.040 And can we do that? 1:15:28.680 --> 1:15:28.800 Man? 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:33.479 You guys are doing actual production like jumping in slow 1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:35.479 motion and all these things that. 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:36.599 It wasn't easy. 1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:38.760 I know this, How did you guy? 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:43.080 I get your question? It wasn't easy. It's like fighting 1:15:43.200 --> 1:15:46.320 for what we want to do and a lot of times, 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:48.519 you know, they didn't want to do it, but we 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:49.320 fought hard. 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:55.559 We fought hard for it, yo, because it was happening 1:15:55.640 --> 1:15:57.160 out of the time where I'm not saying that you 1:15:57.200 --> 1:16:02.559 guys didn't have leverage, but you know, these these even 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:05.400 when we're watching on YouTube now, these things like videos, 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:09.960 and I always wanted to know what was the conversation 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:14.599 that granted you the open door to Okay, this particular part, you're. 1:16:14.479 --> 1:16:17.160 Gonna slow it down and we're all gonna jump. It's 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:19.320 gonna look silly now, but when you do it in 1:16:19.400 --> 1:16:22.280 slow motion, it's gonna look crazy. 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:26.240 Yeah, even like the video was one of the first 1:16:26.320 --> 1:16:28.439 music videos made was can you feel it right? 1:16:28.840 --> 1:16:32.519 Well, actually blame it on the boogie yeah with a 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:34.840 reflection thing? Right, that's scared of shit out of me 1:16:34.920 --> 1:16:40.519 as a kid like you literally scared? Whose concept was that? 1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:45.439 Did they come to you? Guys? 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:50.160 Look, we have this new reflective sometimes how long did 1:16:50.200 --> 1:16:50.840 it take to shoot that? 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:53.280 A day? 1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:57.840 But a lot of times Mike, what have these crazy 1:16:57.880 --> 1:17:00.920 ideas they want to do? And then we talk about it, 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:03.080 you know, he sell us on it and we were like, 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:05.559 that's really cool. Then we all fight for but they didn't. 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:07.120 But a lot of these guys didn't want to do that, 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:11.599 you know, And but we fight for it. We didn't 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:14.439 have to fight for it. And sometimes you've had to 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:17.200 fight for a lot sometimes just to what's normal to 1:17:17.320 --> 1:17:21.200 us now. Exactly it's normal now, but back in those days, 1:17:21.520 --> 1:17:23.160 you had to fight for it. But keep in mind 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:26.840 back in those days, like there is no relationship between 1:17:26.880 --> 1:17:30.760 television and music. In those days, it was separate. Now 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:34.960 it's all kind of together. You want to watch the show, 1:17:35.040 --> 1:17:37.320 you watch it. Everyone was on YouTube or something like that. 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:40.640 It's like everything is. It's all social media, it's all communicating, 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:44.160 so some of them in those days things it's more compartmentalized, 1:17:44.800 --> 1:17:45.519 a little bit separate. 1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:49.920 Yeah, because I feel as though if I would have 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:52.439 done that, I would have been talked out of it, like, look, man, 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:55.160 we don't got a budget. You're asking for a lot. 1:17:55.320 --> 1:17:57.720 Just go in there and performing and get it out 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:00.559 of there. Yeah, pretty much. 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:02.559 So with. 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:13.720 With the Triumph record, uh you Yeah, you're you're you're 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:16.280 sharing lead with Mike on on can you Feel It? 1:18:17.479 --> 1:18:20.000 You know that song who says she was talking about 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:25.920 songs let me know drop the Bond. I love the 1:18:26.000 --> 1:18:30.800 song the Beads made called Tragedy. And if you listen 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:38.920 to tragedy, m ding ding ching ching ding ding ding 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:40.160 ding ding ding. 1:18:40.560 --> 1:18:40.720 Uh. 1:18:42.120 --> 1:18:44.639 Okay, that's how it came to be you. Mike wrote 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:52.680 that together and Jackie. Damn. Okay, I see, I see now, 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:57.920 I'm sorry people, I'm I'm I'm like my poor brain 1:18:58.080 --> 1:18:59.160 right yeah, man, I'm just. 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:06.519 Like at the time when you're creating that, I'm not 1:19:06.680 --> 1:19:10.160 thinking tragedy now and now that I'm older. 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:13.080 I think it back. Well, that sounds like harvest for 1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:13.400 the world. 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:15.479 I wasn't thinking about it then it just came out 1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:20.120 of me naturally because those were my influences, you know, dude. 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:22.120 I mean that's how it is. I mean, hip hop 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:24.720 is more blatant about it because you literally sample it. 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:28.080 But I mean, like most songs are the ideas of 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:32.479 other songs. I mean, James Brown just did the ideas 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:36.080 of his own songs. He was his own source. But 1:19:36.280 --> 1:19:41.360 pretty much Jesus Christ, that is mind blowing to me 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:45.439 because yeah, I now see because tragedy in my mind, 1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:46.240 tragedy is like. 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:51.200 Three horses running in the wild, but. 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:52.880 It's like very triumphant. 1:19:56.120 --> 1:19:57.879 Exactly exactly. 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:02.599 So was this creat Was this created thinking that, okay, 1:20:03.160 --> 1:20:06.160 when we do this in concert, this is going to 1:20:06.160 --> 1:20:09.000 be our flag Plannet, Yeah, this is going to be 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:10.160 our our opening. 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:12.720 Can you feel it? That was the opening? And the 1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:14.000 closes always shake your body. 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:18.080 I see, I see, yeah man, And we'll be right 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:20.640 back after quest. Those brain recollaculates. 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:31.639 So even even though even though triumph is quote produced 1:20:31.680 --> 1:20:35.360 by the Jacksons, like who's who's holding fifty one percent 1:20:35.439 --> 1:20:38.479 of the weight? Who's like, someone has to be the 1:20:38.600 --> 1:20:43.280 alpha to be like, okay, make these decisions or is 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:47.719 it always and those five of you and I can't 1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:50.360 imagine that the five of you are just so damn agreeable. 1:20:52.080 --> 1:20:54.080 Someone has to be like, I don't like that idea. 1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:56.400 When we were when we were produced Michael's vocal and 1:20:57.320 --> 1:20:59.960 the rest of us in that studio producing this vocal, 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:04.760 that's how it was really. Yeah, So it wasn't It 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:07.679 wasn't like one or two of us because it's interesting 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:09.960 because no, it was all of us in that room, 1:21:10.479 --> 1:21:13.559 and Jackie can hear a line, or I could hear something, 1:21:13.680 --> 1:21:16.240 or we hear something. Now a lot of times Michael 1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:18.240 and I would create the song. You write the song, 1:21:18.600 --> 1:21:21.320 but it's all of us collectively that made it magic. 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:23.439 I see. 1:21:25.280 --> 1:21:27.800 I got an exit, not exit from the studio. But 1:21:29.800 --> 1:21:33.200 I think we should mention what what is the the 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:34.960 preparation period. 1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:39.200 Of your shows? And your performances? 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:41.360 Can't touts me. 1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:46.200 Well in general? Like was there regular? 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:46.600 Was it? 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:50.800 Like? Okay, Thursday and Friday nights are five hours in 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:53.479 the room rehearsing dance steps? Like how are you guys? 1:21:54.800 --> 1:22:00.160 How are house choreography? So when you guys are are 1:22:01.520 --> 1:22:08.360 prepping choreography and let's start with choreography first of all? 1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:09.920 Is that a long? 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:15.000 Yes, yes, it's a long because the thing about it 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:17.400 is like I didn't really want to dance and move, 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:19.599 but Michael always wanted me to because I just wanted 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:22.920 to play instruments and sing and play. No many you 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:26.840 gotta move, Come on, you can dance, okay, But but 1:22:28.840 --> 1:22:35.720 like we like like to this day, like our work 1:22:35.840 --> 1:22:40.800 ethic hasn't changed, like Janet, when Janet and I think 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:42.800 a lot a lot of her dancers always surprised, like 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:44.920 when she gets ready to go on tour the way 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:47.760 she works as the way we worked twenty something years ago. 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.400 I mean it's like it hasn't changed. And I think 1:22:50.439 --> 1:22:53.880 that's that's like we you know, it's like we take 1:22:53.920 --> 1:22:56.720 it seriously and we break for lunch and dinner, but 1:22:56.800 --> 1:23:01.040 we it's every day, all day, and and tell us right, 1:23:02.240 --> 1:23:08.960 and we take it seriously so literally for our I mean, 1:23:09.200 --> 1:23:12.320 just give me a rough number all day the term 1:23:12.400 --> 1:23:15.439 you wake up, break for lunch, and break for dinner, 1:23:16.200 --> 1:23:17.679 and time you go to sleep the next. 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:21.160 Day, even post I mean assuming that. 1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:27.599 Not childhood where you know, like Motown and your father 1:23:27.760 --> 1:23:31.320 whoever is watching rehearsals, but assuming that you guys were 1:23:31.360 --> 1:23:34.439 just doing this on your own as adults. Into the 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:43.160 Destiny Triumphant, it was just yeah, straight rehearsals. And I 1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:45.240 would think would they be separated? I mean, would it 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:47.280 be like, Okay, this for boreography and this is for 1:23:47.479 --> 1:23:47.840 music and. 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:50.360 This is for harmony, Like how normally I would I 1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:53.120 would start with music first, and being in the band, 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:54.759 we start going over with the music separately. 1:23:55.640 --> 1:24:00.320 So Jonathan Moffatt and Jonathan Mike mn and all those guys. Man, 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:04.240 you know these are LA heavyweights. Man, y'all, y'all build. 1:24:04.320 --> 1:24:09.679 Jonathan Moffa was a kid who walked through the studio. 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:13.360 He's seventeen years old. Was he sixteen? Seventeen? He was 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:14.880 seventeen from Newton, from New Orleans? 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:18.880 Okay, when did he join you guys? What year was that? 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:19.880 What year was that? 1:24:20.479 --> 1:24:23.120 So sure you sure you know him? 1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:28.439 I met him twice in my life. But yeah, so 1:24:28.560 --> 1:24:29.920 he was seventeen when he first started. 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:31.240 Yes, okay, so. 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:33.040 He walked in. He's you know, he's cool. He was 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:35.760 real cool, and he wears pants are real high. He 1:24:35.880 --> 1:24:39.479 had some shining James browns and shoes and he was relaxed. 1:24:40.000 --> 1:24:41.719 Like this dude is too cool to play drums. 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:42.000 You know. 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:44.679 He sat on the drums and it was like, yeah, 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:50.640 this guy can play. He plays hard, right, Okay, he's solid, right, 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:51.920 He's a great concert player. 1:24:53.479 --> 1:25:01.240 Also David Williams, David whom yes by him? Yeah, like 1:25:01.439 --> 1:25:03.840 where where did he come from? His David Williams with 1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:08.040 guitar players, just like he's like a machine. Where's he 1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:11.720 from Virginia? Anything about him? 1:25:11.720 --> 1:25:17.880 He's from Virginia. He's from uh uh West Virginia. David Williams. 1:25:18.120 --> 1:25:21.240 Okay, how long when did he join you guys, East Virginia? 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:23.880 What is it like like Norfolk or something like that? 1:25:24.000 --> 1:25:29.800 Okay he started, David Williams. Was he had a hit 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:35.760 song out what with Don't hold Back? If it fields good, 1:25:35.960 --> 1:25:42.080 too bad? Don't hold Back in a group or in 1:25:42.880 --> 1:25:48.120 Chanson the uh Chanson? Yeah, he had a. 1:25:57.800 --> 1:26:08.519 If it feels good damn anything bough So but David, Yeah, 1:26:08.560 --> 1:26:09.519 it's he can play. 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:13.320 I mean, rhythm is so precise a one point. 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:19.760 His playing adds a flavor to every track. It's like 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:26.080 it's just at that little thing that that makes it right. Yes, 1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:28.600 and you notice he always had those guitar licks and 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:32.839 all the tracks like amazing musician. 1:26:33.880 --> 1:26:40.760 So you too, I know that Wolf. Really what you 1:26:40.840 --> 1:26:49.840 want discuss right now? Should how much? How much? 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:51.880 Is so? 1:26:53.520 --> 1:26:55.560 Am I right? On the song Don't hold Back? Is 1:26:55.600 --> 1:26:55.760 that it? 1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:01.439 Damn? 1:27:02.200 --> 1:27:02.360 Oh? 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:06.480 Yeah, it's there, yeah, chances. 1:27:06.840 --> 1:27:10.920 Chance and chance on Chang song. Yeah but they said 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:14.880 chance chance song. We gotta get that, ye damn. 1:27:17.680 --> 1:27:22.000 So I know Bill Wolfer and uh wow, who was 1:27:22.040 --> 1:27:27.640 the the tech not uh ah? Greg mentioned him? What 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:38.000 it was James James James jameson Junior. Wow, Wow, the 1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:46.760 one in eighty three is that we gotta peep that ship. Wait, 1:27:47.040 --> 1:27:51.040 I'm like cop one for me too. Thank you. We're 1:27:51.120 --> 1:27:55.679 records shopping, we're records stopping it and of Yourrandy right now. Sorry? 1:27:58.800 --> 1:27:59.320 So with. 1:28:02.160 --> 1:28:06.680 Uh with with the with the band and were you 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:10.600 so you would conduct rehearsals and you're the okay. 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:13.439 Music and then and then the brothers at the same 1:28:13.520 --> 1:28:16.760 time we would be singing and doing choreography and I 1:28:17.360 --> 1:28:20.160 go back and forth. So we have it right with 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:22.160 the animals. We have it. We just put it together. 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:26.760 There it is, I see, okay, good. 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:29.360 I'm I'm I'm maybe going a little out of sequence here. 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:33.360 Maybe I'm not the choices of the album titles. I'm sorry, 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:38.960 I know your time about love, Triumph, Victory, destiny. 1:28:39.720 --> 1:28:40.280 That's very good. 1:28:40.439 --> 1:28:40.960 Was this uh? 1:28:41.520 --> 1:28:43.599 Was this some kind of a marketing scheme, like we're 1:28:43.800 --> 1:28:46.120 you know, we're gonna just call this thing victory and 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:49.240 and it you know, hope it becomes number one or 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:50.320 or was that just a. 1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:53.559 It's a very it's a very good. That's very good. 1:28:53.960 --> 1:29:00.599 We are sitting around and we wanted to make albums 1:29:00.680 --> 1:29:06.599 and that have to do with positive thinking and power 1:29:06.680 --> 1:29:10.800 and just accomplishment and things like that. So they're all like, 1:29:12.840 --> 1:29:15.439 we're going to stand on this one hundred foot stone 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:22.160 who conceptualized the album covers and because it was like 1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:24.720 the black version of like Blue Oyster cult, Like, yeah, 1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:29.240 that's CBS Records, Okay, But you know it's funny because. 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:31.639 What are. 1:29:33.479 --> 1:29:37.280 Motown influence? We all we also love rock music a lot. 1:29:38.520 --> 1:29:41.160 Yeah, I was gonna say, because even now you're just like, yeah, 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:42.559 I went to Dosconda, I went to. 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:49.240 Like you were just open to growing up in Hollywood heels, 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:52.920 you know. You know, I used to walk home from 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:58.360 school and George Harris living like abobb us at the time, 1:29:58.439 --> 1:30:00.519 and that seems big white rosewies and get me right 1:30:00.800 --> 1:30:04.080 up to the house where we lived below and up 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:08.559 So and Bowie and all those guys. They were all 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:12.640 in those days. Everybody was around the same area, you know, 1:30:12.720 --> 1:30:14.760 so it just how could you not be influenced about it? 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:17.599 You know, how could that not happen? 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:20.040 Wow, that's crazy. 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:22.400 This is something that just hit me right now that 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:28.080 I totally missed. And the wave at Ebany and Jet 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:32.000 covered this. It was like I remember seeing girls like 1:30:32.160 --> 1:30:37.280 crying to the knees. You gotta tell me what happened 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:40.760 with the car accident in nineteen eighty what happened only 1:30:41.000 --> 1:30:43.120 the first time I've heard the jaws of life, like 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:46.479 the way that Randy Jackson escapes the jaws of life. 1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:50.160 And like, yeah, they have these hydraulic scissors that cut 1:30:50.200 --> 1:30:55.920 the current. Hav got me out as I am like 1:30:56.439 --> 1:30:57.080 the Daredevil. 1:30:57.720 --> 1:30:58.080 Okay. 1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:02.400 And I moved out when I was seventeen o and 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:05.720 that was like my brothers can believe that. 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:06.240 I talked. 1:31:06.280 --> 1:31:07.880 My parents said to that you. 1:31:07.920 --> 1:31:09.760 Didn't have to get married or anything. You just moved out. 1:31:09.800 --> 1:31:13.240 And I moved out, and basically I told him my mom, 1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:16.680 I said, look, I want to move out. She's like 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:19.760 what I said, my own place something I'm going to 1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:22.640 be at. I'm gonna do it anyway. It's like I 1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:24.000 want to live with my fan club. 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:36.080 You got the last word on the garbage. So so. 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:41.720 I did. I moved out right, and I stayed up 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:44.400 standing in the oak Wood Garden. You know the oak 1:31:44.439 --> 1:31:48.160 Wood apartments on Bourbank. Every band has stayed there, Okay, 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:50.800 in La, I know where Burbank is. Yeah, the garden 1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:55.439 apartments and I was staying there and I remember I 1:31:55.600 --> 1:32:01.000 was watching the Super Bowl and I want to see 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:03.479 the Rims that just lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers. 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:08.479 Okay, and I was hungry. Yes, I'm sorry Pittsburgh fan, 1:32:08.560 --> 1:32:10.599 but good yeah, me too. 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:13.400 The Swan I have his jersey or. 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:16.200 Yeah damn. Okay. 1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:18.519 Then but then he didn't like it because I dated 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:19.639 his ex wife later. 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:20.640 But. 1:32:22.479 --> 1:32:24.200 At the time I didn't know it. I didn't know. 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:25.280 He's a great guy. 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:25.799 Okay. 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:33.639 So anyway, I was hungry and it was raining like crazy, 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:36.400 so I'm like, it's nothing in the house. I was 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:37.960 going to go down to go over to the market 1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:42.760 and get something to eat. And I'm driving there's there's Mercedes, 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:50.839 and it just hit this pothole, starts spinning, just crashed 1:32:51.680 --> 1:32:54.040 near the Hollywood Bowl, right there where the Hollywood Bowl is, 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:58.720 and uh, cars on fire and YadA, YadA, YadA. And 1:32:58.800 --> 1:33:01.559 it's so funny because my parents had some friends over 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:08.599 and they had been over late hanging out and they 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:10.760 would driving home and my mom said, Okay, call us 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:12.400 when you get home because it's raining out. I want 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:14.280 to make sure you get home safe. To their friends, 1:33:14.320 --> 1:33:18.040 they said, okay, so he goes home. He calls my 1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:19.880 mom and he goes and so we made it home. 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:24.320 He goes, God, we just saw the worst cards of it. Yeah, 1:33:24.720 --> 1:33:26.920 he's like, I hope that I hope that person's okay, 1:33:27.439 --> 1:33:29.439 but it doesn't. It doesn't look good. She my mother 1:33:29.479 --> 1:33:36.680 goes really, he goes, yeah, damn yo, man, when that 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:39.800 news Wait, where were you born all? 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:44.040 So you're like one dog? 1:33:44.320 --> 1:33:47.840 Yeah, it was yeah the day that ship hit. It's 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:50.479 one of those things can change your life. Because like 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:53.840 I flat lined and stopped breathing. They had to put 1:33:53.920 --> 1:34:00.240 those those you Yeah, so it was that serious. Yeah, 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:01.000 I was that serious. 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:03.639 So how did you manage to walk? 1:34:03.720 --> 1:34:05.200 Because I think I had to learn how to walk 1:34:05.200 --> 1:34:07.240 all over again. I was paralyzed. 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:11.599 I literally wheelchair bend or crutches, bew. 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:15.040 Wheelchair and I had to start with the pickup. And 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:21.920 I remember its Magic Johnson who just started with the 1:34:22.000 --> 1:34:28.280 Lakers at the time, and and I went to doctor Curlin, 1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:32.600 who was a trainer was for the Lakers, to the 1:34:32.640 --> 1:34:35.600 whole medical facility there and that's where IVER see a 1:34:35.600 --> 1:34:38.000 physical therapy and learned how to walk. 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:42.280 So the time they're telling you you're pretty much not 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:48.880 going to walk I never walk again. Wait the time 1:34:49.040 --> 1:34:56.400 lapse between eighty and the recording of the album, and yeah, 1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:57.519 it's funny because the tour. 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:01.679 Yeah, I mean wrestling with your brothers on stage before 1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:03.479 you explode them again. 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:12.679 That's yeah, that's crazy. Like after each one of those shows, 1:35:13.680 --> 1:35:16.080 I was like taking an ice bath. So you were 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:19.240 in pain doing the Trump show. Yeah it was painful, 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:21.320 but you were dancing your ass off. Yeah, but it's 1:35:21.720 --> 1:35:24.160 it was it was painful. So I was like, yeah, 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:27.680 I swollen ice in it respect Randy Jackson. I just 1:35:27.800 --> 1:35:31.559 thought Yeah. In my mind, I was just like, wow, 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:36.840 it's a miracle, like he's back, but not knowing that yeah, 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:41.000 oh man, hats off? 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:47.559 Man? Is that is crazy? Wait? Did we just mean. 1:35:49.080 --> 1:35:54.240 There's no way I'll let my brothers leave me. That's 1:35:54.360 --> 1:35:56.000 like we're going to figure this out? 1:35:57.760 --> 1:35:57.960 Yeah? 1:35:58.960 --> 1:36:01.200 Was that even a question? Where is it just like, Okay, well, 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:03.040 how bought the physical therapist with me on tour? 1:36:03.720 --> 1:36:04.000 Sor right? 1:36:04.080 --> 1:36:06.160 So we had them on tour and I was like, 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:08.200 there's no way we make this happen. 1:36:09.680 --> 1:36:10.479 You made it happen. 1:36:11.240 --> 1:36:16.840 Yeah, I meant you're doing the In my mind, I'm 1:36:16.840 --> 1:36:19.760 playing like the working Day and Night, twisty thing and. 1:36:21.560 --> 1:36:22.360 The twisty piano. 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:27.840 No, just the jumping thing, and I'm like, you're you're okay, 1:36:28.080 --> 1:36:31.920 you you did it. What was your of the tours 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:34.120 that you've done with your brothers? What was your favorite. 1:36:41.920 --> 1:36:42.559 The tour. 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:50.240 Before the Destiny tour. 1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:59.040 So there's a Victory, there's Triumph, there's Destiny part too, 1:36:59.120 --> 1:37:01.040 which sort of like kind of off the wall, and 1:37:01.080 --> 1:37:05.240 then there's the Destiny Tour that I yeah. 1:37:14.840 --> 1:37:18.000 The Destiny Tour. I liked Stacey Lattisaws. I think opening 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:22.360 up for us first one I saw you were there. Yeah, 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:27.640 Philly h Triumph, Triumph Atie one was really nice. I 1:37:27.800 --> 1:37:32.679 enjoyed that tour. LTD was That's right. LTD was bad. 1:37:34.360 --> 1:37:36.880 Okay, So Jeffrey was on our show, and I always 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:42.759 wanted to know, usually with opening acts and big production, 1:37:44.160 --> 1:37:47.640 it's problematic, especially with technology. 1:37:47.160 --> 1:37:49.960 Being the way it was and LTD being a damn 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:54.639 near eleven member group. How nightmare? 1:37:55.320 --> 1:37:57.639 How much of a nightmare scenario is it when acts 1:37:57.680 --> 1:38:01.080 are opening for you guys and it's okay, we have 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:02.880 to kill our set and bring there. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:06.960 You know, It's always been with my brothers, with us 1:38:07.000 --> 1:38:09.560 on tour. It's always like family, you know, so it 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:11.040 was never an issue. 1:38:11.640 --> 1:38:15.400 And but l t D. 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:17.559 They used to come to our house and hang out 1:38:18.040 --> 1:38:20.439 all the time anyway, So Osborne and his brother they 1:38:20.439 --> 1:38:22.920 would just say, come over the house, my mom makes 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:24.240 food everybody. 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:28.559 I'm like, were you guys school with the Osmond's Like, yeah, 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:29.120 they have to. 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:30.800 Come up to my mom make food for everybody. He 1:38:30.920 --> 1:38:34.000 was like family, all. 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:36.160 Right, can you name one act that you guys were 1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:39.680 just like, I don't know, Tavars, y'all go back to 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:47.280 Boston like ours too? Yeah, Actually, what what were there 1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:51.479 relations with any other other bands your your age? Because 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:54.360 I think of the five Stairsteps or the Silvers. 1:38:54.720 --> 1:38:57.240 For friends come up with all the time back in 1:38:57.280 --> 1:39:00.880 the day. Silver's too glen to me. On the other day, 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:06.599 they did our show great people, talented man, that's really good. 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:08.599 Great humble guy. 1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:15.519 Huh yeah, absolutely absolutely so. Just you guys were switchling. 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:21.160 I'm about to say Stockholmers, Uhva, Geneva. I'm sorry, thank you, 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:26.960 You're welcome, thank you switching, thank you, Steve. See, you 1:39:27.000 --> 1:39:28.240 guys were just neutral zone. 1:39:28.360 --> 1:39:33.560 There was never a a competition, like no, we gotta. 1:39:33.760 --> 1:39:36.800 Know we you know, those are whenever we toured, like 1:39:37.640 --> 1:39:40.479 LaBelle opened up for us. We were kids, and even 1:39:40.560 --> 1:39:44.400 with Patty, it's like Patty used to braid our hair. 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:47.240 Patty used to braid me and my hair. Really you 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:50.120 can't before we were to stays those back in those days. 1:39:51.080 --> 1:39:53.400 I was going to say, maintaining Patty could do hair 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:55.680 and she did. You know, she did it cook too. 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:06.040 Wait what are you again? Great story? Bill? Thanks? 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:09.800 No, Well, one has to braid hair to keep their 1:40:09.880 --> 1:40:12.680 afro full, right, so you guys might have to do 1:40:12.800 --> 1:40:14.599 that as well. This is one of the rare times 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:17.599 where my afro's out normally, just so I can make 1:40:17.680 --> 1:40:18.120 it through. 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:21.920 Life or whatever, Like I braid it, Okay, he braids it. 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:26.080 Yeah, so okay. So even so, there was corn Roll 1:40:26.120 --> 1:40:35.400 era Jackson. Yes, no, we have those big dookie braids. 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:39.320 So you know, I see that's how that's how they Okay, 1:40:39.479 --> 1:40:41.360 that's good to know because I just thought, like, oh, 1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:45.280 you guys woke up like this, like like full afro 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:50.519 every day, no BedHead, no, yeah, little did I know? Okay, 1:40:50.760 --> 1:40:55.840 I see that. So the period, the post the post 1:40:56.160 --> 1:41:03.799 UH triumph period that leads UH to the victory tour. 1:41:05.840 --> 1:41:08.519 That during that time. It was a really fun time, 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:13.559 like from triumph to victory, that whole. So between eighty 1:41:13.640 --> 1:41:17.400 one and yeah, because you had that off the wall, right, 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:19.280 were you. 1:41:19.320 --> 1:41:22.360 Part of any of the pre production of what will 1:41:22.400 --> 1:41:26.960 become thriller? Only because uh, what's his name? 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:33.639 Steve Geneva? Shut up, Steve? What's his name? What's his name? 1:41:34.160 --> 1:41:40.600 All right? He used to have a like a like 1:41:40.640 --> 1:41:43.160 an urban report. Is it Steve Ivory? 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:48.760 I think it's Steve Ivory, Steve Ivy now, but he 1:41:48.880 --> 1:41:51.519 was like an apprentice under lead Bareley. All right, so 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:53.760 this Kathleen Steve Ivory does this? 1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:56.519 Uh? I know it's Steve Ivory. 1:41:56.840 --> 1:42:02.519 They one, Yeah, Well, okay, so he he's at Encino 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:07.479 and in the studio with you guys. This is pre 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:11.400 this is like what is this eighty one? 1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:15.479 So I'm assuming that this is what's leading to be 1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:19.240 well yeah, because he says specifically for Michael's new solo records, 1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:21.439 So thriller is not even a thought, but what will 1:42:21.560 --> 1:42:27.360 become that? And it's the article is more about the 1:42:27.439 --> 1:42:29.800 technology that they're discovering. 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:35.160 And I believe that a lin drum first makes its 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:36.800 appearance in this thing. 1:42:36.960 --> 1:42:39.560 And so he's like describing like you know, now a 1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:41.960 drummer is inside a machine and not needed for da 1:42:42.040 --> 1:42:44.320 da da da. Like reading this, I'm like, yo, like 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:49.560 the Jacksons have some futuristic just naming these like synthesizers 1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:53.720 and someone I don't know if you or I don't 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:55.920 know who the engineer was at Havenhurst at the time 1:42:56.000 --> 1:43:00.560 at was working. He was like, well, one day, you know, 1:43:00.960 --> 1:43:05.799 they'll invent machines that will correct your singing, and every. 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:07.360 One in the rooms like, no, that'll be the end 1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:08.680 of music and da da da da da. 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:11.560 But if I could find this article, it's almost like 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:15.680 you guys are talking about what's going to happen in 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:20.040 forty years in music, but joking like that will never happen. 1:43:20.439 --> 1:43:23.880 But you know those days, I mean yes, I mean 1:43:24.520 --> 1:43:26.880 like like I said, like, we didn't really think about 1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:30.160 like if I was doing something I needed based part Jamaine, 1:43:30.479 --> 1:43:31.760 what are you doing, come on and play this part 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:33.680 real quick. It's like that's what it was like. 1:43:33.880 --> 1:43:35.760 So even after he left the group, he was still 1:43:35.920 --> 1:43:43.880 active and yeah, okay, that's how it was, and yeah, wow, 1:43:44.000 --> 1:43:46.000 we wouldn't really we just it's just. 1:43:46.000 --> 1:43:46.439 What it was. 1:43:48.160 --> 1:43:51.240 See, can you tell those of us who don't know 1:43:51.400 --> 1:43:56.120 every single thing about you already? Sorry what your contributions 1:43:56.120 --> 1:43:57.000 were to Off the Wall? 1:44:02.160 --> 1:44:02.280 Uh? 1:44:02.640 --> 1:44:07.479 Yeah, credited, non credit, non credit? Come on, now we 1:44:07.600 --> 1:44:11.040 know what time is? Yeah? Either I want either want? 1:44:12.479 --> 1:44:14.519 Well, first of all, I mean you're there. We've heard 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:18.120 the Working Day Night demo. That was hilarious, by the way. 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:21.160 Yeah, was it always like that? Yeah? I see how 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:25.799 it's my playing struggle m like, like I could hear these. 1:44:25.680 --> 1:44:28.120 Parts in my head. That's you playing that line. 1:44:28.200 --> 1:44:31.519 Yeah, but playing them it's like walking through and I 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:34.200 can hear the base and the same thing with the 1:44:34.920 --> 1:44:36.000 don't stop teeing it enough? 1:44:37.080 --> 1:44:38.720 Do do? 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:39.320 Do? 1:44:40.240 --> 1:44:40.280 Do? 1:44:41.240 --> 1:44:43.160 So this time? Can I assume that he's singing you 1:44:43.320 --> 1:44:46.320 what he hears in his head? Who Michael? 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:49.400 Michael would sing? Michael didn't know chords. 1:44:50.000 --> 1:44:52.040 Okay, so he's uh singing to you. 1:44:52.400 --> 1:44:56.560 Singing singing the melody? What he would it be like? 1:44:56.680 --> 1:44:59.400 And I try to create the harm? Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:44:59.520 --> 1:45:00.880 so that's how it happened. 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:05.880 I see, Yeah we did the credit thing. 1:45:07.280 --> 1:45:10.200 Yeah, but but it was but it was like my 1:45:10.280 --> 1:45:16.600 whole thing is like percussion and were those coke bottles? Yeah? Percussion, 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:20.920 And but I also played percussion on the keyboards like 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:24.160 in those days, And I didn't realize it at the time, 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:26.880 but it was very percussive in a way. It's just 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:32.439 the grooves, right, Yeah, there were avion and coke bottles. 1:45:33.600 --> 1:45:35.320 Yeah, thanks, okay. 1:45:37.320 --> 1:45:40.280 And I remember because when they went to record that 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:46.799 song in the studio, for some reason, they couldn't recreate 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:50.559 that saying groove. Even though demos aren't perfect, they often 1:45:50.800 --> 1:45:54.719 have a feel that you just can't can't recreate. 1:45:55.760 --> 1:45:57.479 Do you get demo artists? Yeah? 1:45:58.800 --> 1:46:04.120 So how how come I went to the studio and 1:46:05.280 --> 1:46:10.479 I brought in my bottles and and and and that's 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:13.080 what we did on the song. And then it had 1:46:13.120 --> 1:46:14.160 that swing to it. 1:46:16.880 --> 1:46:19.719 So that's you doing it, not pulling into the constant. Okay, 1:46:19.920 --> 1:46:26.200 I see, I see. How of of all of your siblings, 1:46:27.040 --> 1:46:28.519 who are you the closest to, Like. 1:46:29.280 --> 1:46:30.559 Jenna and I have always been close. 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:31.400 We're little. 1:46:31.520 --> 1:46:34.280 You're like, you'd be hard pressed to find a find 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:38.040 a photograph a family chop that I'm in the Jena 1:46:38.120 --> 1:46:41.599 is not somewhere near me. She like followed me around. Yeah, 1:46:41.680 --> 1:46:43.800 we'd fight like cats and dogs, but couldn't stand to 1:46:43.800 --> 1:46:50.200 be away from each other at the same time. See me, 1:46:50.360 --> 1:46:52.160 Janet and Michael was pretty much a click because were 1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:54.960 three youngest. We hung out all together all the time. 1:46:55.640 --> 1:46:56.120 And then. 1:46:58.360 --> 1:47:02.280 Jermaine and Tito clicks because they play guitars. There were clicks. 1:47:02.760 --> 1:47:05.200 Jackie kind of did his own thing, and Mona did 1:47:05.240 --> 1:47:07.559 his own thing, but he had Jermaine. Tito was kind 1:47:07.560 --> 1:47:10.000 of a clique because the whole guitar thing, and you know, 1:47:10.640 --> 1:47:13.360 went to Walton with John McClean at the same school 1:47:13.400 --> 1:47:14.240 and all that kind of stuff. 1:47:17.040 --> 1:47:20.840 Another yeah, I got it, just like the night John 1:47:20.920 --> 1:47:24.840 McLean episode, All right, John, let me get you one day, pal, 1:47:25.120 --> 1:47:25.479 trust me. 1:47:27.520 --> 1:47:28.920 So for. 1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:36.920 I know that there weren't immediate plans after the Triumph album. 1:47:37.280 --> 1:47:39.639 So the preparation for Motown twenty five? 1:47:41.760 --> 1:47:44.080 What what was that into? 1:47:44.200 --> 1:47:44.800 What was that? Like? 1:47:45.760 --> 1:47:46.960 It's funny because. 1:47:48.880 --> 1:47:53.560 We did Motive Did you have a relationship with Susanna 1:47:53.600 --> 1:47:56.280 pez to that of yeah, your brothers? 1:47:56.360 --> 1:47:59.640 Like, but I didn't know I was going to be 1:47:59.680 --> 1:48:02.080 doing that show until the day of that show. 1:48:02.640 --> 1:48:08.760 Wait what wait? What ever? Wasn't expecting met I. 1:48:08.760 --> 1:48:13.479 Didn't know it to the day that show. Doing that show, 1:48:14.360 --> 1:48:18.559 I was wasted out of my mind from dental surgery 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:21.680 and you can probably know them. Right after that, we 1:48:21.760 --> 1:48:25.920 did USA for Africa, and I was still recovering from 1:48:26.040 --> 1:48:29.360 dental surgery, like I had a serious operation and I 1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:34.920 was like, loopy, really yeah, And but I went and 1:48:35.000 --> 1:48:38.439 did that show, did the other so I see. 1:48:39.720 --> 1:48:41.960 The preparation. 1:48:42.560 --> 1:48:45.240 The Victory album for me feels more distorted, as in, 1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:48.559 here's our solo projects on this one album. 1:48:49.439 --> 1:48:50.960 So I'll ask about your song. 1:48:52.120 --> 1:48:54.559 And also Austin asked me to ask you about Phil 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:58.840 collins reaction to One More Chance. He also said he 1:48:59.320 --> 1:49:02.880 probably won't tell you, but ask him anyway. He told 1:49:02.920 --> 1:49:05.320 me two questions to ask you he wanted to. He 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:07.559 said that you were in the car with Michael when 1:49:07.600 --> 1:49:10.320 Michael first heard Win Doves Cry and the Rose Voice. 1:49:11.040 --> 1:49:13.880 He says, tell the Win Doves Cry Rose War story 1:49:14.160 --> 1:49:17.320 and the Phil Collins One More Chance story. 1:49:20.360 --> 1:49:29.760 No, let's cool, awesome, it's amazing. Yeah, when when you know, 1:49:29.800 --> 1:49:33.160 when One More Night came out, I got a phone 1:49:33.200 --> 1:49:40.120 call from then CBS and they wanted to sue Wait, wait, 1:49:40.320 --> 1:49:43.160 he was trying to come at you. No, CBS wanted 1:49:43.160 --> 1:49:46.200 to sue Collins. So one More Night because when Night 1:49:46.280 --> 1:49:50.439 came out after oh, I came out after ship. Okay, 1:49:50.600 --> 1:49:55.800 but I had heard from Nathan East. Yeah, Nathan told 1:49:55.840 --> 1:49:58.760 me something. As told me that Phil Collins really loved 1:49:58.800 --> 1:49:59.439 One More Chance. 1:50:00.120 --> 1:50:00.600 He loves that. 1:50:00.680 --> 1:50:02.400 That's like his favorite Sony plays it all the time. 1:50:03.640 --> 1:50:05.439 And one time I was in a. 1:50:07.160 --> 1:50:07.680 Long time. 1:50:07.800 --> 1:50:10.280 I was in rex Hall Pharmacy, you know, the one 1:50:10.320 --> 1:50:12.639 on the corner of Los Cienaga and Beverly. You've seen it, okay, 1:50:13.000 --> 1:50:16.720 I know, right across from the Beverly Center. And Phil 1:50:16.760 --> 1:50:22.840 Hollins walked in. We're in the same as, and he goes, hey, hey, 1:50:22.880 --> 1:50:25.639 you're in. I said, hey, yeah, you're Phil Collins. Yeah, 1:50:26.200 --> 1:50:30.519 and he goes, yeah, no, I'm sorry, that was me, sir. 1:50:31.400 --> 1:50:32.080 He looked at me. 1:50:33.640 --> 1:50:40.479 You guys are funny. That's so, she says, uh, he 1:50:40.600 --> 1:50:44.200 wrote that tune One More Chance. I go, yeah, here's yeah, 1:50:44.200 --> 1:50:47.320 it's nice tune because I like it. And then he 1:50:47.360 --> 1:50:51.200 said the other song coming up, that's that was influenced. 1:50:51.960 --> 1:50:56.479 He's he's a I mean that's that album Face Value. 1:50:57.040 --> 1:51:02.160 And I played that album. Yeah, man, I played that 1:51:02.240 --> 1:51:09.000 album forever. Its tonight. Yeah when First County, brilliantly talented guy. 1:51:09.439 --> 1:51:17.000 But I told no, you're not gonna suit. It's just music. Uh. 1:51:17.640 --> 1:51:22.840 First of all, there's major similarities in the in the music, 1:51:22.920 --> 1:51:26.200 but second of all, it's called one More Night. I 1:51:26.320 --> 1:51:30.679 mean I know, but if you're gonna steal something, change 1:51:30.720 --> 1:51:31.920 the fucking title. 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:36.040 More than that, you know, like one more let me 1:51:36.120 --> 1:51:39.840 tell you some But for me, it's like, it's just music. 1:51:40.400 --> 1:51:41.479 It's not mine that came from. 1:51:41.760 --> 1:51:43.200 But he kept the. 1:51:43.280 --> 1:51:48.719 Production to like the background vocals in the reverb choice, 1:51:48.880 --> 1:51:51.720 it's it's very perspectives. 1:51:51.800 --> 1:51:59.040 Yeah, it's very influenced, but I'm not saying just one 1:51:59.040 --> 1:52:02.240 more chances of favorite on on the victory album, what. 1:52:06.920 --> 1:52:08.000 Really thank You? 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:16.040 Yeah? It should have been contender, Like what made her? 1:52:16.400 --> 1:52:17.400 What made her want to do that? 1:52:17.800 --> 1:52:19.120 That's always been your favorite song? 1:52:20.360 --> 1:52:24.200 Yeah, it's it should have been in Contender, man, it 1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:32.679 should have been contender. What uh were you? Why didn't 1:52:32.680 --> 1:52:37.800 you say that for your solo? I mean, I don't know. 1:52:37.880 --> 1:52:39.360 It's kind of weird because it's like when you're in 1:52:39.439 --> 1:52:43.320 the Jackson's you have to keep the legacy and the 1:52:43.439 --> 1:52:47.639 brand alive. But by that point, you guys are all stars, 1:52:49.120 --> 1:52:52.400 and even in my mind, I'm like, yo, this would 1:52:52.439 --> 1:52:55.040 have been this would have been a highlight on his 1:52:55.160 --> 1:52:55.840 solo record. 1:52:56.840 --> 1:53:00.040 I don't know, It's like it was the song I 1:53:00.160 --> 1:53:03.880 written at that particular time. How come I wasn't a single? 1:53:07.640 --> 1:53:11.080 It's a good question because because because when CBS, one 1:53:11.120 --> 1:53:15.320 of the Sue phil I said no, I said, I don't. 1:53:15.360 --> 1:53:17.360 I don't want to be involved with Sue and somebody 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:21.040 over a song. You know, it should have been a single, 1:53:22.200 --> 1:53:28.280 So don't you know, should don't don't? Sue? Yeah, he 1:53:28.880 --> 1:53:31.479 recognized it was a good song, So all. 1:53:31.439 --> 1:53:36.080 Right, exactly how why weren't any of the songs ever 1:53:36.200 --> 1:53:40.839 performed on the tour? What song any of the songs 1:53:40.920 --> 1:53:42.120 on the Victory. 1:53:43.080 --> 1:53:50.920 You know what? That's a very good question because after 1:53:51.000 --> 1:53:54.120 that tour was over, I have the thought to myself, 1:53:54.240 --> 1:53:56.200 why don't we called any of the songs from Victory? 1:53:58.360 --> 1:54:03.280 Yeah? Not true or your Body? I mean it would 1:54:03.320 --> 1:54:04.960 have been you know Yeah. 1:54:06.280 --> 1:54:10.160 I thought maybe perhaps like you guys were translating the 1:54:10.200 --> 1:54:15.400 Triumph tour for the bigger audience that well, yeah, had 1:54:15.439 --> 1:54:18.320 come in to had come into play. When when prepping 1:54:18.439 --> 1:54:23.560 that tour, was it just an unspoken thing like this 1:54:23.760 --> 1:54:26.400 has to be the biggest thing ever, like we have 1:54:26.600 --> 1:54:30.439 to outdo literally anyone that's ever. 1:54:31.880 --> 1:54:33.040 It's funny because. 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:39.800 And it's so weird because in hindsight, like at the 1:54:39.880 --> 1:54:43.240 time it was controversial and everybody's brew high. 1:54:43.120 --> 1:54:46.440 And thirty dollars a ticket, he back to thirty like thirty. 1:54:47.000 --> 1:54:47.800 I'll put it this way. 1:54:49.160 --> 1:54:53.080 I just Drake is charging three hundred dollars for Madison 1:54:53.120 --> 1:54:55.160 Square Garden and I gotta buy four of them things 1:54:55.240 --> 1:54:59.320 for my assistant. So twelve hundred dollars to see Drake 1:54:59.400 --> 1:55:04.040 at MSG versus thirty dollars victory tour. I know there's 1:55:04.040 --> 1:55:08.000 a difference between eighty four inflation and twenty and eighteen, 1:55:08.120 --> 1:55:08.520 but I'm just. 1:55:10.800 --> 1:55:12.600 Yeah, but I'm just saying that. 1:55:17.400 --> 1:55:20.520 But for. 1:55:22.280 --> 1:55:25.120 The hell that you guys were put through to execute 1:55:25.160 --> 1:55:30.680 this tour, in hindsight, do you still. 1:55:34.240 --> 1:55:37.520 Do you have any regrets about it? Or no? In fact, 1:55:38.960 --> 1:55:41.640 because it literally said the standard for where we are now. 1:55:42.000 --> 1:55:43.800 A lot of people didn't want us to do that tour. 1:55:44.360 --> 1:55:48.560 A lot of people said it couldn't be done. No 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:53.040 black acts were doing things like that, soning out like 1:55:54.040 --> 1:55:59.120 five stadium nights, So can you seven nights at Dodger Stadium? 1:55:59.280 --> 1:56:01.800 Can you speak on Because the thing is is that 1:56:02.160 --> 1:56:04.839 like watching young we just think like, oh, the Jacksons 1:56:04.880 --> 1:56:10.120 could do anything. And yeah, the constant narrative I hear 1:56:10.640 --> 1:56:12.640 is that we had to fight for it. We had 1:56:12.680 --> 1:56:13.200 to fight for it. 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:14.840 We had to fight for it always that you know, 1:56:15.640 --> 1:56:17.240 it was just to get a seat at the table. 1:56:17.800 --> 1:56:21.280 Yeah. It wasn't that we thought. We didn't think we 1:56:21.360 --> 1:56:23.640 were better than everybody else. We never thought that, but 1:56:23.840 --> 1:56:27.400 just it was just our quest for always being the 1:56:27.440 --> 1:56:30.080 best that we could be and to do more. We 1:56:30.160 --> 1:56:35.760 were never satisfied with ourselves. We always wanted more. We 1:56:35.880 --> 1:56:39.720 always wanted to do better and do more, and and 1:56:40.800 --> 1:56:45.600 that's just how we grew up. But I remember specifically 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:49.640 the Victory tour. In the meetings we had before the tour, 1:56:50.080 --> 1:56:53.560 we said what we wanted to do coming off of 1:56:53.720 --> 1:57:00.760 like five six straight multi platinum albums consecutively, from Destiny 1:57:00.880 --> 1:57:04.120 to Triumph, Off the Wall, you know, all these albums. 1:57:05.840 --> 1:57:08.720 Piller I said, Okay, that's what we want to do, 1:57:08.800 --> 1:57:11.280 and they said, so now were be able to do this. 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:12.480 People are not going to come out. 1:57:13.560 --> 1:57:16.040 Wait, they said they're not going to come out. I 1:57:16.120 --> 1:57:18.960 said it seriously. 1:57:19.680 --> 1:57:25.440 My father said he said no, he said no, I'd 1:57:25.480 --> 1:57:28.280 be there, And I think don King at the time 1:57:29.080 --> 1:57:33.200 helped to make that happen, so with. 1:57:35.640 --> 1:57:39.360 His presence and again now now I'm realizing that can 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:44.520 have happened without don King really yeah, so okay, So 1:57:44.640 --> 1:57:49.120 with that, so modern promoters and rock they were. Was 1:57:49.200 --> 1:57:51.440 there such thing as al Haman back in eighty four? 1:57:51.640 --> 1:57:55.440 And our Hayman was he small potatoes all him and 1:57:55.480 --> 1:58:00.400 got to start from my father, my father. Yeah, my 1:58:00.560 --> 1:58:02.800 father was always like, I'm going to make sure the 1:58:02.840 --> 1:58:06.360 black guys have a chance in promoting. So he'd always, 1:58:07.000 --> 1:58:09.400 you know, get a black guy as a shot, you know, 1:58:09.520 --> 1:58:13.280 because in those days they wouldn't they wouldn't let black 1:58:13.320 --> 1:58:19.240 promoters promoting them black acts. You still have that problem today, yeah, right, yeah, 1:58:19.360 --> 1:58:25.120 you do only yeah, so, and but he would always 1:58:25.120 --> 1:58:29.560 saw our Hyman was a young Harvard grad who right, Yeah, does. 1:58:29.480 --> 1:58:33.400 The name Shep Gordon mean anything to you? Chef's a 1:58:33.440 --> 1:58:35.280 good friend of Bars. Good for the show. 1:58:35.360 --> 1:58:38.040 Yeah, I'm going after this interview tonight, I'm going to 1:58:38.120 --> 1:58:45.280 Chep's house. Okay, Oh sorry, That's why I bank for this, 1:58:46.360 --> 1:58:48.480 That's why I bank for the interview. Twelve afternoon, I'm 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:53.560 going straight to the airport. But in my mind he 1:58:53.880 --> 1:58:57.040 was the Black Whisper. Yeah, you know, got Teddy out 1:58:57.080 --> 1:59:03.200 of his situation and whatnot. And I mean at the time, 1:59:03.520 --> 1:59:05.080 what was it about demand? 1:59:05.200 --> 1:59:06.680 And where does she live now? 1:59:07.040 --> 1:59:08.480 In mal Okay? 1:59:08.680 --> 1:59:10.320 Wow, you're going to Hawaii? 1:59:10.360 --> 1:59:15.440 Huh yes, off for a few days and uh yeah, Look, 1:59:15.520 --> 1:59:18.080 if it were up to me, I'd work twenty four 1:59:18.080 --> 1:59:18.440 to seven. 1:59:18.760 --> 1:59:26.720 That's cool. Take a break, bro, go to Hawaii? All right? 1:59:26.920 --> 1:59:29.960 But wait, did you guys ever take vacations in the 1:59:30.000 --> 1:59:30.960 heyday of the Jacksons? 1:59:31.120 --> 1:59:34.160 No, yeah, it's you don't take vacations. 1:59:35.200 --> 1:59:38.360 Yeah, yo, because when you never know when it'll stop 1:59:38.480 --> 1:59:42.600 or whatever, like, you gotta keep going and rest. Was 1:59:42.640 --> 1:59:46.000 there ever any fear of Okay, I guess now I 1:59:46.040 --> 1:59:49.320 can bring up the princess you what what was the 1:59:49.520 --> 1:59:51.400 general feelings about princes? 1:59:52.560 --> 1:59:54.840 Wait? What was the prince story in the Rose Voice? 1:59:59.480 --> 2:00:03.880 I forget some of these things. I remember when Dove's Cry, like, 2:00:04.000 --> 2:00:05.480 your general feeling is okay, prince? 2:00:05.560 --> 2:00:07.440 Did you honestly his music? And I did? 2:00:07.680 --> 2:00:11.520 Okay, I wasn't that crazy about doves Cry when I 2:00:11.560 --> 2:00:12.080 first heard it. 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:13.360 It was a risky song. 2:00:13.520 --> 2:00:16.600 Yeah, I mean, it's a great song, but at the 2:00:16.640 --> 2:00:20.640 time I wasn't it just I mean, like I like 2:00:20.720 --> 2:00:26.160 the other stuff. First of all, genius, Prince an amazing talent, 2:00:27.800 --> 2:00:30.320 But Dove's cry wasn't one of my favorites. It was 2:00:30.360 --> 2:00:33.280 the other stuff that I like, Okay, soft and wet. 2:00:33.800 --> 2:00:35.680 But did he I mean it was his? 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:39.800 Was he? 2:00:43.720 --> 2:00:43.760 No? 2:00:44.320 --> 2:00:48.080 But but to Michael it was exactly like I. 2:00:48.080 --> 2:00:51.920 Mean, pre MTV embracing Prince or like I'm talking about 2:00:51.960 --> 2:00:57.240 Prince just before empt because obviously, once your brother breaks 2:00:57.280 --> 2:01:00.400 the barriers at MTV, then MTV was like, oh, what 2:01:00.520 --> 2:01:05.160 other cool black people can Prince? And now okay, now 2:01:05.200 --> 2:01:09.480 the elevator's crowded. But before then was it even a thought? 2:01:09.840 --> 2:01:11.839 I mean, like, is your sister's even covered? 2:01:16.120 --> 2:01:16.600 M hm. 2:01:18.520 --> 2:01:22.280 Yeah yeah yeah, Like I like, I love, I feel 2:01:22.320 --> 2:01:25.520 for you. Okay, but Dove's cry wasn't one of my favorites, 2:01:26.880 --> 2:01:29.920 but I love everything else. Were you at the house 2:01:30.040 --> 2:01:31.440 in Havenhurst when you visited? 2:01:32.800 --> 2:01:32.840 No? 2:01:33.000 --> 2:01:36.680 But he always used to call up and you would 2:01:36.720 --> 2:01:39.320 call up, yeah, like one of them talk to La 2:01:39.360 --> 2:01:44.520 Toya and I and I would always like hang up 2:01:44.560 --> 2:01:54.320 on people have a hard time. But because Princeville called 2:01:54.360 --> 2:02:00.160 up and be like yeah, La Toya, I'm like, who 2:02:00.240 --> 2:02:05.800 is this never say hello. He's like he was like, yeah, LaToya. 2:02:06.000 --> 2:02:08.520 He has a deep voice and it's like LaToya. I 2:02:08.640 --> 2:02:13.920 was like, okay, click real, yeah, LaToya get mad at me. 2:02:17.040 --> 2:02:17.960 I wasn't ready for that. 2:02:21.360 --> 2:02:23.520 She would get mad at me, but yeah, I wasn't 2:02:23.520 --> 2:02:25.120 ready for that. I have a hang up on many 2:02:25.160 --> 2:02:25.839 of her boyfriends. 2:02:25.920 --> 2:02:27.800 So I was I was that. 2:02:30.000 --> 2:02:33.640 Bobby too. Oh yeah, Bobby. I get him the worst time. 2:02:34.280 --> 2:02:41.720 Really, Oh damn? Okay. So you're family Pipo, Yeah. 2:02:43.000 --> 2:02:43.480 Exactly. 2:02:45.320 --> 2:02:48.720 Okay, you do the same to your sisters. Oh no, 2:02:49.720 --> 2:02:52.040 you know, get my sisters out there are sucking and 2:02:52.640 --> 2:02:56.480 free reign that that was my so okay. 2:02:56.600 --> 2:02:59.320 So your moved to an m with Randy, the Randy 2:02:59.360 --> 2:03:02.400 and the Gypsy Project, the McClain side. 2:03:03.800 --> 2:03:07.680 Okay, So why did it take you wait? That came 2:03:07.720 --> 2:03:10.520 out in eighties eighty nine. 2:03:11.640 --> 2:03:15.840 At the time, and it was being sold to Universal. 2:03:17.560 --> 2:03:18.240 Okay, and. 2:03:19.880 --> 2:03:23.840 That whole project was done. But everybody like, you know, 2:03:24.000 --> 2:03:26.920 like when when when it in those days when the 2:03:26.960 --> 2:03:30.000 record label was being sold, people wouldn't didn't want to 2:03:30.000 --> 2:03:31.440 go to go in the office anymore. 2:03:31.760 --> 2:03:31.920 You know. 2:03:32.520 --> 2:03:35.080 That meanings that they're going to consolidate and downsize a 2:03:35.120 --> 2:03:39.480 lot of people would lose their jobs. So a lot 2:03:39.520 --> 2:03:41.880 of people just didn't work and the record didn't get 2:03:41.880 --> 2:03:44.880 worked and it took a I'm surprised it even got done, 2:03:45.640 --> 2:03:50.720 but it was like at that time and it was 2:03:50.800 --> 2:03:54.360 basically had basically basically cashed out they moved to Universal, 2:03:55.280 --> 2:03:55.959 So because. 2:03:55.760 --> 2:03:58.120 It was a transitional period, they got lost in that 2:03:59.520 --> 2:04:05.080 interesting Yeah, yeah, really well we were on MC at 2:04:05.120 --> 2:04:12.560 the time when MCA had just gotten sold to the label, 2:04:12.840 --> 2:04:17.720 so it's too Geffen an inner scope. So we had 2:04:17.760 --> 2:04:19.240 an album that that suffered. 2:04:19.720 --> 2:04:22.040 Yeah, and that happens in those transitional periods. People get 2:04:22.120 --> 2:04:25.240 laid off and people you know. All right, So before 2:04:25.280 --> 2:04:31.080 I wrap up the show, I would like to take 2:04:31.080 --> 2:04:37.920 a different angle, can we hear do you have a 2:04:38.480 --> 2:04:40.600 story of you and your brother Michael. 2:04:40.400 --> 2:04:41.440 Just a normal. 2:04:42.960 --> 2:04:48.080 Just something that we don't know, like you guys you know, 2:04:48.840 --> 2:04:52.520 have three point shootout contests or or. 2:04:54.160 --> 2:04:58.320 Just something that we don't know about you and your 2:04:58.480 --> 2:04:59.720 your brother's relationship. 2:05:01.280 --> 2:05:04.200 It was it was music, martial arts, believe it or not, 2:05:04.400 --> 2:05:08.200 martial arts, martial arts. We all we all wanted to 2:05:08.200 --> 2:05:11.880 be Bruce Lee. Actually, we actually have Bruce Lee's brother 2:05:13.280 --> 2:05:16.240 who was our trainer teaching us what so we had 2:05:16.360 --> 2:05:16.920 good training? 2:05:17.240 --> 2:05:21.200 Yeah, I was going to say on the Soul Training episode, Uh, 2:05:22.920 --> 2:05:26.760 there's a clip of Randy on crutches and Joe actually 2:05:26.800 --> 2:05:30.360 says that. Don says, well, what happened to Randy? And 2:05:30.920 --> 2:05:35.000 Joe's like, Randy's a kung fu cat. So and it's 2:05:35.160 --> 2:05:37.320 where did you kick your foot through the windows? 2:05:37.640 --> 2:05:42.480 Yeah? Shower door? Oh m hm. 2:05:45.040 --> 2:05:49.000 So the future for you now in developing your label 2:05:51.720 --> 2:05:54.560 is this, This is will Circle down now your hotown. 2:05:55.200 --> 2:06:01.320 Well, it's funny because for me, I I try to 2:06:01.400 --> 2:06:06.080 keep it as organic as possible. And even with Janet 2:06:07.800 --> 2:06:13.400 because we we we we uh partnered on everything but 2:06:13.480 --> 2:06:21.720 the new song that on your show, and but for me, 2:06:23.280 --> 2:06:26.960 we just wanna be natural about it. There's for for 2:06:27.080 --> 2:06:31.800 the for Rhythm Nations label. We're not gonna sign a 2:06:31.880 --> 2:06:35.440 lot of people because we want to whoever we sign, 2:06:36.360 --> 2:06:38.360 we want to make sure it does it well. And 2:06:38.440 --> 2:06:41.120 there's a girl from Wells who's touring with Her name 2:06:41.240 --> 2:06:45.360 is Rebecca James. Okay, this girl can come in this room. 2:06:45.440 --> 2:06:48.080 She's twenty one, come in this room and make magic 2:06:48.160 --> 2:06:51.840 happen all by herself. Really, but she's but she writes 2:06:51.880 --> 2:06:52.720 and sings gospel. 2:06:53.120 --> 2:06:53.360 Okay. 2:06:53.360 --> 2:06:55.040 So when I first heard, I didn't believe it was her, 2:06:55.840 --> 2:06:57.440 and I said, well, come to my house. I'm gonna 2:06:57.480 --> 2:06:59.960 hear you play and sing and in person in life. 2:07:00.720 --> 2:07:03.600 So she did it and it says, okay, I played 2:07:03.600 --> 2:07:05.560 it for Janet and jenne Go's Brandy. We need that 2:07:05.720 --> 2:07:08.480 voice on stage and back up. So she's touring with 2:07:08.600 --> 2:07:11.360 Janet and we're working on her album right now. Wow, 2:07:11.440 --> 2:07:15.080 it's coming. She's really talented, an amazing songwriter. So you'll 2:07:15.080 --> 2:07:21.640 be hearing about her. Rebecca James, Yeah from Wells all right, 2:07:23.560 --> 2:07:27.200 but that's it. We're just you know, to me, music 2:07:27.360 --> 2:07:29.920 is a gift from God. We all have this gift. 2:07:31.200 --> 2:07:36.480 It's an amazing gift that God gives us to help 2:07:36.520 --> 2:07:38.600 bring the world together. And that's just not I'm not 2:07:38.680 --> 2:07:41.920 trying to be like, but it's true. It's like music 2:07:42.000 --> 2:07:45.640 makes you feel good, you know. It's like, right, it does. Yeah, 2:07:45.720 --> 2:07:48.280 It's like, I mean, I love drums, I love instruments. 2:07:49.000 --> 2:07:51.920 I still love going to the music store and playing 2:07:51.920 --> 2:07:53.840 the different drums. You like doing that too, It's like 2:07:53.920 --> 2:07:58.760 it's still fun. Yeah, right, it's like playing right, let's play. 2:07:58.840 --> 2:08:01.640 Time go to the store. Old say, do you still 2:08:01.640 --> 2:08:05.240 play drums? How come you never played drums as opposed. 2:08:04.960 --> 2:08:09.920 To Bond because I did play drums. I played drums 2:08:10.120 --> 2:08:13.680 like I trained foot in the beginning when it came 2:08:13.720 --> 2:08:17.720 to us. First I started playing drums. Then we played 2:08:17.840 --> 2:08:21.480 percussion because Johnny was playing drums, so I just went 2:08:21.920 --> 2:08:22.480 to percussion. 2:08:23.080 --> 2:08:24.640 Oh and keyboards. 2:08:25.120 --> 2:08:27.480 Yeah, you could have I played drums. 2:08:27.760 --> 2:08:32.880 Okay, now I know that. Yes, we forgot. And then 2:08:32.880 --> 2:08:37.120 when we're at Victory, mm hmm, what happened. 2:08:41.120 --> 2:08:46.080 There's a lot of things happened with the whole Victory album, 2:08:47.800 --> 2:08:48.640 the whole concept. 2:08:49.200 --> 2:08:52.680 I'm talking about literally the cover there was a double soldier. 2:08:53.320 --> 2:08:56.800 There was, and then in later pressings the dove is going. 2:08:56.920 --> 2:09:01.200 Really you guys notice everything talk about also, like like 2:09:01.440 --> 2:09:04.560 like the white glove thing that Michael. The way that 2:09:04.680 --> 2:09:08.360 happened was, that's an interesting story. So Bill Whitten, who 2:09:08.360 --> 2:09:11.280 does our wardrobe, and he had this white glove for 2:09:11.400 --> 2:09:13.920 Jackie to wear. Jackie said, man, I'm not wearing a 2:09:14.080 --> 2:09:18.920 white glove. Jackie took the glove off and throw the 2:09:19.000 --> 2:09:21.200 Micael He goes, man, you wear us, I'm not gonna 2:09:21.240 --> 2:09:26.040 wear it. That's how it happened. No one gloves one glove. 2:09:26.080 --> 2:09:28.520 Michael put the Jackie's away where you dance, you wear 2:09:28.560 --> 2:09:31.280 his glove, Michael, so I can put it on, said, 2:09:31.320 --> 2:09:33.839 I'm wearing it. So that's how it happened. 2:09:34.120 --> 2:09:37.680 That is the mic drop statement. Thank you, uh Randy, 2:09:37.720 --> 2:09:42.320 I appreciate it, Thank you, thank you. Another episode of 2:09:42.360 --> 2:09:45.320 Anemic Supreme with sugarst. 2:09:46.640 --> 2:09:47.160 Boss Bill. 2:09:47.640 --> 2:09:52.080 Shout out to Fontela, Liyah and uh on paid Bill. 2:09:52.360 --> 2:09:53.920 We will see you on the next go around. Thank 2:09:53.920 --> 2:09:57.000 you very much. 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