Speaker 1: And I just for whatever reason, decided, after I do that,
Speaker 1: I'm going to lie down on the boardroom table in
Speaker 1: front everyone ray shaving cream all over my face and
Speaker 1: scream that I want to be on MTV.
Speaker 2: So I did that, and everyone's going, what the hell's
Speaker 2: this kid in?
Speaker 1: And that I took the shaving cream and I walked
Speaker 1: up to the guy who looked like he was in charge,
Speaker 1: and I put some on his face.
Speaker 2: They called the next day and they picked up the
Speaker 2: show next day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, episode four with Tom Green. I have a list
Speaker 3: of most influential people that I would eventually like to interview. Okay,
Speaker 3: now we've marked off the second one, so maybe three now.
Speaker 3: So on my list, I have David Letterman, Mark Grace,
Speaker 3: the baseball player, Sting the wrestler, Conan O'Brien, Tom Green,
Speaker 3: Steve Martin, Adam Durretz, and Garth Brooks. We've had Adam
Speaker 3: on this show before. Yeah, so he's off the list. Garth,
Speaker 3: does that count that I've interview him any times? Just
Speaker 3: not for this, I think that counts. Okay, So Guard's
Speaker 3: off the list, and now Tom Green is off the list,
Speaker 3: which was pretty cool because he came over to the
Speaker 3: house on a Saturday. He actually DMed me weeks ago
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, and I was like, wow, Tom Green
Speaker 3: just followed me on Instagram. So he's like, hey man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be in Nashville, and I was like, cool,
Speaker 3: I want to come over. That's not really how it happened,
Speaker 3: but we did hook it up and it was super
Speaker 3: cool that he drove over his own car. He was
Speaker 3: playing a show that night, and we hung out in
Speaker 3: the backyard for like twenty minutes after.
Speaker 4: What were your thoughts on it?
Speaker 5: I thought it was awesome, Like I was like right
Speaker 5: behind when he was like super famous. I really got
Speaker 5: to know him through reruns in his movies. But it
Speaker 5: was so cool to kind of finally meet him and
Speaker 5: learn his story after watching the documentary.
Speaker 3: Documentary is great, I think too. He thought it was
Speaker 3: cool we had watched it because it had just come
Speaker 3: out the night before and he hasn't been able to
Speaker 3: talk about it with anyone because nobody's really been able
Speaker 3: to see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was so fresh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Tom Green has a documentary out, He's got a
Speaker 3: comedy special out, He's got a war part docuseriies headed
Speaker 3: to Amazon Prime Video. Is that out now, yeah, series,
Speaker 3: you can check it all out. I watched every episode
Speaker 3: of Tom Green Show. I forgot some of the stuff,
Speaker 3: like the cancer stuff. I forgot how real that was
Speaker 3: until watching it on the documentary.
Speaker 5: That's kind of when I got to know him first.
Speaker 5: When that story came out, I was like, Oh, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, you wonder too, because Andy Kaufman, you know, he
Speaker 3: died of cancer. And Tom Green was very much a
Speaker 3: performance artist, not in every way, and I think at
Speaker 3: times I think he resents people only see him as that,
Speaker 3: but that's what made him famous. And so Andy Coffin
Speaker 3: died of cancer, and so when he said I had cancer,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people wondered, is this even real?
Speaker 3: It's the bit, but it was. Yeah, it was very real.
Speaker 3: Check out the documentary. This is one of my favorite interviews. Again,
Speaker 3: so much of a favorite that it made my list.
Speaker 3: And also everybody came up on Saturday to work follow him.
Speaker 3: Get tickets at Tom Green Tomgreen dot com. Here he
Speaker 3: is the great Tom Green. There's the legend of the
Speaker 3: Bumbum song having to be retired from trol It's true?
Speaker 3: Is it okay? I was gonna ask is it true?
Speaker 3: And if so, would you please tell the story?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's the Statute of limitations has passed on
Speaker 1: me not being supposed to tell this story.
Speaker 2: Because I was not.
Speaker 1: Really it was supposed to be kind of a secret
Speaker 1: back in the time because it was kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit a weird thing happened. So, you know, TRL,
Speaker 1: everybody my generation remembers.
Speaker 4: To We watched Carson Day Jesse all the yea, everybody.
Speaker 1: Hold a request live right. People call in and they
Speaker 1: request their favorite song and then it goes on the
Speaker 1: countdown every day.
Speaker 2: So that's all.
Speaker 1: That is how it works, right, It was everyone would
Speaker 1: call in and that was really how it worked. They
Speaker 1: really did do that. But we went and shot this
Speaker 1: bumbum song and put it on the Tom Green Show,
Speaker 1: and I went and said call TRL and vote for it,
Speaker 1: and and we didn't really inform the producers of TRL
Speaker 1: that we were doing that. You know, MTV knew about
Speaker 1: it because they knew what was happening, but it sort
Speaker 1: of fell through the cracks, or maybe they weren't expecting
Speaker 1: it would go to number one.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was it. It didn't go to number one.
Speaker 1: It did go to number one, like the next day,
Speaker 1: so like the show aired and then it was a
Speaker 1: you know, I forget what day it aired, but it
Speaker 1: was the beginning of the week. The show was number
Speaker 1: one on the Monday of that week and got a
Speaker 1: call from MTV. Howard, my manager at the time, got
Speaker 1: a call from MTV. He said, you know, we need
Speaker 1: Tom to go on TRL on Friday and retire the
Speaker 1: Bumbump song.
Speaker 2: And what do you mean it might why? You know?
Speaker 1: They was number number one again on Wednesday, and the
Speaker 1: call comes again, more frantic, No, he has to go retire. No,
Speaker 1: Tom doesn't want to retire. He's got the number one
Speaker 1: song until a request live in America. This is why
Speaker 1: would you want.
Speaker 2: To retire it?
Speaker 1: He has to retire it, and they weren't telling us why.
Speaker 1: And then they call again Thursday, he has to retire.
Speaker 1: Here's why. And so the following week I probably wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to say, but it's been twenty five years. I'm
Speaker 1: sure everyone can get over it. You know, Carson del
Speaker 1: he's done. Fine, he's on the Today's Shown hour. But
Speaker 1: you know they had pre taped the next week because
Speaker 1: you know, uh, scheduling of whatever it was, so they
Speaker 1: just basically sort of replicated the Countdown from the week before.
Speaker 1: They had just replicated it. I don't know how often
Speaker 1: they pre taped the TRL, but it was obviously real
Speaker 1: normally because the bum Bum Song went to number one
Speaker 1: just just by accident, you know, but because it was
Speaker 1: pre taped the next week, and they really couldn't just
Speaker 1: throw that out, they weren't able to tape that week
Speaker 1: for some reason. I had to retire the Bumbum Song
Speaker 1: on Friday because it was not going to be on
Speaker 1: the Countdown the following Monday. It would have made no sense.
Speaker 1: So I played ball, you know, I went on, I
Speaker 1: retired the.
Speaker 2: Retired the song.
Speaker 1: I was on the Countdown for one week, and they
Speaker 1: gave me a retirement home plaque, which I have hanging
Speaker 1: in my recording studio at home. But yeah, I'm still
Speaker 1: kind of a little annoyed at that though, because I
Speaker 1: think it would have it would have had a good run.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes things would stay number one for weeks
Speaker 1: and weeks and weeks on end, and then you could
Speaker 1: really you know, it would have been a really cool thing.
Speaker 1: But they took this song and turned it into oh,
Speaker 1: it's just a joke. It's not a real song, it's
Speaker 1: not with a real record company, so you know, let's
Speaker 1: just retire it. But there was that reason for it,
Speaker 1: and they were of course my boss, and I was
Speaker 1: happy to be there, so I did that. But but
Speaker 1: the song, because the song was never released officially released,
Speaker 1: it wasn't on a record or anything. It was also
Speaker 1: the number one most downloaded song on Napster that year
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine because partially probably because it was
Speaker 1: you couldn't get it anywhere else. So in some ways
Speaker 1: that kind of was where people maybe started using Napster
Speaker 1: for the first time. You know, it was really kind
Speaker 1: of it was an interesting moment in music history.
Speaker 2: The bum bum song.
Speaker 3: They were obviously speculating what they thought would be the
Speaker 3: number one song when they were taping those episodes ahead
Speaker 3: of time. What took over as number one that they
Speaker 3: thought would have been number one? It was like an
Speaker 3: n Sync or a olymp Biscuit.
Speaker 1: Or I can't remember exactly what it was. I know,
Speaker 1: I think Britney Spears was on the countdown. I think
Speaker 1: I think it was ninety eight degrees was on there.
Speaker 1: I really don't have the I don't remember the exact
Speaker 1: countdown but it was it was for sure some of
Speaker 1: those I think lymp Biscuit was for sure was on
Speaker 1: the countdown then deservedly shout out Fred Durst, a friend
Speaker 1: of mine. I love Fred, lovelymp Biscuit, but no they
Speaker 1: you know, I've got to become friends with Fred when
Speaker 1: I lived in LA and he's those guys are still
Speaker 1: killing it. And from that's from my year on MTV
Speaker 1: the Olympiscuit that was there. That was their big big
Speaker 1: hits that year and they're still killing it out there
Speaker 1: around the world.
Speaker 3: So what does twelve year old Tom listen to music wise?
Speaker 3: Music wise, like twelve years old, Yeah, that's when you're twelve.
Speaker 4: That's an age for me when it kind of all
Speaker 4: started to come together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, sugar Hill Gang Rappers Delight I discovered at
Speaker 1: around twelve, and that was that was a big one.
Speaker 2: But I might have been might have been thirteen when
Speaker 2: I discovered that though.
Speaker 1: So twelve would have been Michael Jackson Thriller. See what
Speaker 1: year was was? I?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was was Michael Jackson Thriller out? Yet in eighty
Speaker 2: eighty three?
Speaker 1: I see the Beg's was the first cassette that I had.
Speaker 1: My parents gave me a tape deck and the Beg's
Speaker 1: Staying Alive. I wish they'd given me a different tape,
Speaker 1: but anyways, no, but so I would listen to that
Speaker 1: a lot. Twelve years old, I had a few things
Speaker 1: that I you know, I it was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: I like TV shows we waited to watch that kind
Speaker 4: of shaped you and that preteen.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm hesitating, I'm trying to think it was
Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve, you know, because I know, I know, well,
Speaker 1: shortly after twelve, I got a lot more into music.
Speaker 1: But it was always sort of just what was playing
Speaker 1: on the radio when I was twelve, What was on
Speaker 1: the top ten that night? You know, would be sort
Speaker 1: of what was you know, whether it was you know,
Speaker 1: the I don't know, you know, survivor or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, Like there's lots of different songs that were
Speaker 1: playing on the radio when I was twelve. But I
Speaker 1: got to be about fourteen, That's when I really kind
Speaker 1: of found myself really liking rap music and things like that.
Speaker 3: So so BC Boys one of my favorites of all time,
Speaker 3: like top five albums for sure. It is licensed ill
Speaker 3: because it was the first one. Yeah, absolutely, like It's
Speaker 3: what introduced me. I'm just a goofy white kid from
Speaker 3: Arkansas and they're Jewish rappers from kind of Brooklyn, so
Speaker 3: not exactly the same, but they were just different. So
Speaker 3: it was kind of like my infatuation with David Letterman.
Speaker 3: He was a Midwest guy that looked odd compared to
Speaker 3: everybody else. Yeah, and I was odd compared to everybody else.
Speaker 3: Kind of gave me a bit of hope. Yeah, But
Speaker 3: those guys Letterman with the so loved the Beamsie Boys.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that was what it was like for you.
Speaker 1: Beastie Boys, David Letterman, Tony Hawk, skateboarding. These were my my,
Speaker 1: my things that I loved. I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: I actually we did a cover band of the Beastie
Speaker 1: Boys in high school and went up and did I
Speaker 1: did Fight for Your Right to Party and No Sleep
Speaker 1: for Bill Brooklyn and run dmc raising.
Speaker 2: Hell.
Speaker 1: You know this was me rapping on stage and the
Speaker 1: first year of high school, I guess, and then uh,
Speaker 1: and then David Letterman. I mean, I talk about this
Speaker 1: a lot in the documentary.
Speaker 2: Because it's it's sort of the precursor to what.
Speaker 1: I was doing on my show, where I was trying
Speaker 1: to emulate David Letterman. I was going out with the
Speaker 1: video camera and doing stuff on the street, kind of
Speaker 1: like what David Letterman did when he went out in
Speaker 1: the street. But it's hard to kind of put it
Speaker 1: in perspective for people who don't remember what the world
Speaker 1: was like back then. You know, it was no so
Speaker 1: going to watch television at twelve thirty in the morning
Speaker 1: where there was normally a color bars test pattern on
Speaker 1: and and you'd because it was on so late at
Speaker 1: the time, that was crazy that there was even a
Speaker 1: show on after midnight during the week. It kind of
Speaker 1: felt like you were discovering something and seeing something that
Speaker 1: nobody else knew about. So it felt like going down
Speaker 1: this rabbit hole. Like that you can go down on
Speaker 1: the internet now and find your own thing. Back then,
Speaker 1: you'd find your own thing and in sort of obscure
Speaker 1: places like Thrasher Magazine was a skateboard magazine that I'd
Speaker 1: you know, go have to find in one little skateboard shop,
Speaker 1: and that was the internet.
Speaker 2: To me. That was my glimpse.
Speaker 1: Into the outside world outside of the mainstream television. And
Speaker 1: then rap music was also like that, you know, listening
Speaker 1: to Boogie Down Productions or run DMC and these groups
Speaker 1: coming out of New York City and you're just up
Speaker 1: in Ottawa going up and wow, what is this?
Speaker 2: What is this world? This is exciting? You know?
Speaker 3: How close were you guys with organized rhymes actually pursuing that,
Speaker 3: like for a decade.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were really really into it for sure
Speaker 1: when we were when I was we went down to
Speaker 1: New York City when I was, you know, a teenager,
Speaker 1: and we recorded a demo and then then we ended
Speaker 1: up getting a record deal in Canada on A and
Speaker 1: M Records, and we sort of did it for a
Speaker 1: couple of years after that, but then you know, the
Speaker 1: sort of it stopped it kind of it never was
Speaker 1: released in the United States. It was a sort of
Speaker 1: a successful in Canada thing. It would play on the radio.
Speaker 1: I mean I was just out of high school. And Greg,
Speaker 1: who was the other rapper in the group, he was
Speaker 1: still in high school. So you know, he's in high
Speaker 1: school and we had a song on the number one
Speaker 1: on the dance charts in Canada and we.
Speaker 4: Got cool at school. Were you guys cool because you
Speaker 4: were on the radio?
Speaker 2: He was cool?
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 2: I might not have been cool. He was definitely cool.
Speaker 1: There was a comedic element to the band, so you know,
Speaker 1: we you know, I would always say, well, let's put
Speaker 1: laundry baskets on our heads between songs and play industrial
Speaker 1: music and do sort of a synchronized dance routine. So
Speaker 1: we would do this weird stuff. No, he was very
Speaker 1: funny and we'd do this fine stuff.
Speaker 2: But it was cool though.
Speaker 1: It was cool, but he was definitely cooler than I was.
Speaker 1: I was kind of more the goofball, but I made
Speaker 1: all the beats and stuff and and it was it
Speaker 1: was exciting, and it kind of We would go down
Speaker 1: to Toronto to go on much music and we'd host
Speaker 1: the Rap City Show it was called, and different perform
Speaker 1: on different shows live. And that's when I really realized
Speaker 1: start seeing television studios and lights and cameras, and I
Speaker 1: thought that I want to do this. I want to
Speaker 1: I want to do television. And that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: when the record sort of fizzled out. After that, I
Speaker 1: went back to school and startied broadcasting and started the
Speaker 1: Tom Green Show.
Speaker 3: So how accessible was the public access station where you were?
Speaker 1: So it's it's a little different in Canada. So you know,
Speaker 1: because sometimes you think of public access and it's a
Speaker 1: real kind of you know, gritty, little crappy little station.
Speaker 1: But in Canada, so they have the cable delivery company
Speaker 1: sort of like the it was called Roger's Cable, so
Speaker 1: the company that you buy your cable from. They were
Speaker 1: sort of required to create a little community channel and
Speaker 1: every every city. So because of that, there was good
Speaker 1: equipment there, professional kind of studios, and because I had
Speaker 1: already had the rap album and stuff, they kind of.
Speaker 2: Took took us in.
Speaker 1: I was I was at school broadcasting school, so I
Speaker 1: had a bunch of kids that knew how to operate
Speaker 1: cameras and stuff, and we came in and we pitched
Speaker 1: the show and they they kind of let us go
Speaker 1: do do four episodes. And then after those four episodes
Speaker 1: that it was sort of had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a you know, it was weird enough that they let
Speaker 1: us keep keep going.
Speaker 3: So did people watch that channel in your town just
Speaker 3: in general?
Speaker 1: Like no, not really, no, not really, they had that
Speaker 1: was it sort of quickly became the show that was
Speaker 1: sort of did.
Speaker 2: There was shows like.
Speaker 1: Mayor's The Mayor had a show Mayor's Hotline. They had
Speaker 1: a sports show where they talked about what the Ottawa
Speaker 1: Senators were doing. Uh, And they were all sort of
Speaker 1: very not very watched shows.
Speaker 2: But but we sort.
Speaker 1: Of built this little following and we'd had a little
Speaker 1: studio audience and kids came down and sixty kids in
Speaker 1: the audience, and it just sort of started kind of
Speaker 1: just kind of slowly catching on, and it then got
Speaker 1: picked up by the Community Rogers Community Network, so then
Speaker 1: they started running across Canada.
Speaker 3: You were shooting in the same place, they were just
Speaker 3: distributing it to the.
Speaker 2: Other, to the whole country. And then did you.
Speaker 4: Feel a change there when that happened?
Speaker 3: Could you feel it like you start to be bigger
Speaker 3: in Canada?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was early on because then then then
Speaker 1: we did a did a pilot for the CBC, which
Speaker 1: is the national network Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and then that
Speaker 1: didn't get picked up. But then we went and did
Speaker 1: two seasons on this small network called the Comedy Network,
Speaker 1: which is owned by CTV, the other big network, and
Speaker 1: then we were sort of doing a show that had
Speaker 1: a had real a real kind of uh. But it
Speaker 1: was happening fast at that point. By that point, it
Speaker 1: was maybe over the course of a year and a half,
Speaker 1: you know, we were on TV and people were excited
Speaker 1: about the show, and then all of a sudden, MTV
Speaker 1: picked it up and we were we were kind of
Speaker 1: set off in that direction.
Speaker 3: So being that young doing a show weekly, did that
Speaker 3: feel like you were in the meat grinder at all,
Speaker 3: even before you were getting paid.
Speaker 4: Really, I I was.
Speaker 2: Really excited to be doing it.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe that I even had the ability
Speaker 1: to do it. So it was my friend Glenn Humplick
Speaker 1: and my friend Phil Jeru, and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: buddies of mine. And I met Glenn Humplick at college
Speaker 1: radio because I've been doing a college radio show at
Speaker 1: Ottawa University. I didn't go to Ottawa University, but I
Speaker 1: did the radio show there at midnight until two am
Speaker 1: I Fridays, And so we were just really I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting paid. I didn't get paid to do
Speaker 1: the show for four or five years. It was just
Speaker 1: a labor of love. I would go down to the
Speaker 1: studio and get in the edit bay and edit all
Speaker 1: this stuff. But it was just sort of really kind
Speaker 1: of driven by this sort of excitement, by the fact
Speaker 1: that we were actually able to do this TV show
Speaker 1: and and and you know, I was sort of driven
Speaker 1: by the idea that I was going to try to
Speaker 1: see if we could actually turn it into a job.
Speaker 1: And eventually it did actually happen, unbelievably, but there was
Speaker 1: a I was pretty motivated. I do sometimes think that
Speaker 1: it's kind of I mean, when watching the documentary, even
Speaker 1: while I'm editing it, you know, putting all together. I
Speaker 1: sometimes when I watch the final documentary, I still go geez,
Speaker 1: I was kind of can't believe I stuck.
Speaker 2: With it so so long because it was.
Speaker 1: A lot of work when I think about it, But
Speaker 1: at the time, when you're young, you're kind of just
Speaker 1: so excited just to be doing something.
Speaker 4: Who do you hear from?
Speaker 3: Is it somebody an executive at MTV? Do they call
Speaker 3: whomever's now managing your representing you? How quick does all
Speaker 3: of that happen? And and what's like the board? I
Speaker 3: don't know, you walk into a business room, like the
Speaker 3: cliche thing. There's all these chairs and they offer you
Speaker 3: the big deal you've been waiting for, Like what really happened?
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty hilarious story about that. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll see if I can paint
Speaker 1: the picture properly. So well, First of all, what happened was,
Speaker 1: I was the show was now kind of popular in
Speaker 1: Canada enough that I got invited on the one talk
Speaker 1: show we had in Canada at the time.
Speaker 2: It was called Mike Bullard was the name of the host.
Speaker 2: He just passed away, Rest in peace, Mike.
Speaker 1: He was a very funny guy. He kind of gave
Speaker 1: me a did me a solid there. He'd have us
Speaker 1: on his show and I'd go on and do some
Speaker 1: you know, goofy thing that I probably, you know, like
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier, I probably you know, regret doing,
Speaker 1: but know it was uh, you know, I would go
Speaker 1: on with the bags of milk and we have milk
Speaker 1: comes in bags in Canada, which is strange, but anyways,
Speaker 1: pop milk bags and milk would fly everywhere and the
Speaker 1: microphone would break and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But his manager.
Speaker 1: Was there, who's from Los Angeles also since passed way.
Speaker 1: He's in the documentary. His name's Howard Lapidis and he
Speaker 1: he uh he represented uh, Jimmy Kimmel, who was not
Speaker 1: you know, he was on radio at the time, and
Speaker 1: Carson Dally, who was on TRL and UH, Norm McDonald
Speaker 1: and UH also Doctor Drew and Adam Carolla who were
Speaker 1: doing Loveline on MTV. So Howard was in the MTV
Speaker 1: universe and he brought the show there and that's kind
Speaker 1: of how we got the initial meeting to do the
Speaker 1: pitch of the show. So they saw the few tapes
Speaker 1: that he showed them and then they they flew us.
Speaker 2: They flew me down to uh, the Los.
Speaker 1: Angeles and I'm probably twenty seven or twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: and put me up in the Maundry on Okay, which
Speaker 1: is the most Los Angeles feeling place to be sort
Speaker 1: of modern, you know, Artsy Hotel furthest thing from Ottawa,
Speaker 1: and it's right beside the House of Blues, which is
Speaker 1: no longer there, but the House of Blues they had
Speaker 1: these pitch meetings every year for MTV and they bring
Speaker 1: all the producers and writers into come out and you
Speaker 1: have a stand in front of the MTV executives, and
Speaker 1: the top executive there was Brian Grayden, who I did
Speaker 1: not know who anyone was, but he was the one
Speaker 1: who ultimately signed the show. And so they had told
Speaker 1: me they had seen four or five or they had
Speaker 1: seen a bunch of our tapes now at this point,
Speaker 1: and they had sort of directed me play this one,
Speaker 1: this one, this one. Come, you're gonna come out. You're
Speaker 1: gonna play these four tapes and then and then talk
Speaker 1: a bit about the show. And so there's this thing
Speaker 1: I used to do, which again I put it in
Speaker 1: the documentary, so I should probably not be embarrassed to
Speaker 1: say it, but I used to kind of for a gag,
Speaker 1: I would suck milk out of cow's hutters.
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was just a gag. It
Speaker 2: was just a gag.
Speaker 1: But and they said, don't don't play that one though,
Speaker 1: don't play that one. That's so I just was such
Speaker 1: a idiot. I guess that I you know, they literally
Speaker 1: told me to make a VHS tape and put this
Speaker 1: tape on where you paint your parents' house, the one
Speaker 1: where you love the crutches and you're falling down on
Speaker 1: the street on the crutches, and the one where you
Speaker 1: go in the pharmacy and try to buy condoms. Play
Speaker 1: those three, but don't play the cow utter one. And
Speaker 1: I was so sort of sure that now we need
Speaker 1: a gross out one. You know, you need to have
Speaker 1: a balance here. You know, it's very important to me
Speaker 1: that we have a balance. So I still put that
Speaker 1: one on the tape, and and I came out and
Speaker 1: I did my big speech, and it was actually like quite,
Speaker 1: it wasn't cut complete idiocy, like it was thought through,
Speaker 1: like I did say in the speech.
Speaker 2: You know, in the pitch, you know, you know that
Speaker 2: this is shot on home.
Speaker 1: Video cameras and looks raw, and it looks rough, and
Speaker 1: because I'm a skateboarder and skateboarders are doing this now,
Speaker 1: like this kind of thing, and it'll be relatable. And
Speaker 1: so I really did kind of try to explain why
Speaker 1: it looked the way it looked. And then I played everything,
Speaker 1: and then I played the cow atter thing, and of
Speaker 1: course the room was nuts because it was disgusting, right
Speaker 1: and funny, it's really funny, you know, dressed as Captain
Speaker 1: Kirk or something like that, sporting and I'll call over
Speaker 1: my face. But then I had brought a backpack with me,
Speaker 1: and in the backpack I had a couple of cans
Speaker 1: of shaving cream, and I just for whatever reason, decided
Speaker 1: after I do that, I'm, you know, while everyone's freaking
Speaker 1: out about the cow atter sucking, I'm going to lie
Speaker 1: down on the boardroom table in front of everyone and spray
Speaker 1: shaving cream all over my face and scream that I
Speaker 1: want to be on MTV.
Speaker 2: So I did that, and everyone's going, what the hell's
Speaker 2: this kid?
Speaker 1: And I took the shaving cream and I walked up
Speaker 1: to the guy who looked like he was in charge,
Speaker 1: and I put some on his face, and then I
Speaker 1: just walked out that I was Brian Graydon and then
Speaker 1: I walked out of the room and and the guy
Speaker 1: who had been kind of coaching me to do the uh,
Speaker 1: to do the pitch so, you know, called me and
Speaker 1: was laughing. So that you put shaving cream on my
Speaker 1: boss's face. But they called the next day and they
Speaker 1: picked up the show next day. Yeah, yeah, and they
Speaker 1: and I remember going down the elevator with Howard Lapidus
Speaker 1: and he said, that was the craziest best pitch.
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. I did ever. I did never pitched
Speaker 2: anything before.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what a pitch was, but uh, naivete,
Speaker 1: I guess kind of is good sometimes, but uh and
Speaker 1: then uh and then they they literally I was moved
Speaker 1: to They got me an apartment in New York City
Speaker 1: and we moved down to New York. We took all
Speaker 1: our tapes and which were hundreds and hundreds of tapes,
Speaker 1: and immediately they began sort of working and packaging these tapes,
Speaker 1: and they built a studio for us and in Times
Speaker 1: Square right beside where they do TRL and that was
Speaker 1: I was at the first ten episodes were just old
Speaker 1: clips from the from the Canadian show repackaged with the
Speaker 1: new studio.
Speaker 3: At what point could you feel kind of the zeit
Speaker 3: got your fame be tangible?
Speaker 1: It was so crazy because you know, MTV was it's
Speaker 1: different now, right, everybody watched MTV and we didn't have
Speaker 1: MTV in Canada either, which was made extra weird because
Speaker 1: I was walking into this network. I didn't have that
Speaker 1: kind of sort of I wasn't intimidated by it as
Speaker 1: much as I think I would have been if I
Speaker 1: watched MTV. I wasn't emulating I don't think the culture
Speaker 1: of MTV because I didn't grow up watching MPTV. We
Speaker 1: grew up watching much music, right, And I mean this
Speaker 1: is a little too far into the weeds here, but
Speaker 1: you know, they had a promo apartment at MTV, which
Speaker 1: was as big as the programming department. I mean there's
Speaker 1: only five. You know this because you know you're in
Speaker 1: music and you know this, I'm sure, but most people
Speaker 1: don't know the detail of this about MTV is the
Speaker 1: programming department and the promo department were separate entities and
Speaker 1: equally as big, and they would run promos all days
Speaker 1: for the day for the shows and things. And so
Speaker 1: they started running promos for the show like a month
Speaker 1: before the show even came on. And so as soon
Speaker 1: as the promo started airing, you know me, you know,
Speaker 1: humping a dead moose or whatever, you know, which Eminem
Speaker 1: wrapped about and all this stuff. But before you know,
Speaker 1: and and just doing the pranks of my parents and
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff before the show even aired. It
Speaker 1: was instantly couldn't go outside in Manhattan with everybody was
Speaker 1: just coming up to me on the streets of Manhattan.
Speaker 1: My parents tell the story, it might they tell the
Speaker 1: story where they were in New York and you know,
Speaker 1: they were getting stopped on the street. You know, it
Speaker 1: was it was wild. But and then when the show
Speaker 1: premiered a few weeks later, it's it's hard to remember this,
Speaker 1: but like at the time, there was only like three
Speaker 1: or four other shows on MTV. There was a celebrity
Speaker 1: death Match, Road Rules, Real World, and uh Daria was
Speaker 1: a cartoon animated show, and that's about it. Really might
Speaker 1: have been one other. And they would play the show
Speaker 1: like in blocks, so you'd every day the show was
Speaker 1: on for they'd played like the Tom Green Show, like
Speaker 1: ten ten ten episodes in a row every day for
Speaker 1: the first year that we were on the air. So
Speaker 1: it was unlike anything I had ever imagined. Really, I
Speaker 1: mean it was. It went from complete anonymity in the
Speaker 1: US to just sort of.
Speaker 2: You know, it was a hit. It was a hit show.
Speaker 2: It was a hit show.
Speaker 4: Was Beavis and butt Head right there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't making it anymore, so they'd they were
Speaker 1: running reruns of it, but they'd stopped making it. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Mike Judge was doing movies and stuff and
Speaker 1: then and he was he was not working on new
Speaker 1: no show. In fact, our head writer was Chris Brown,
Speaker 1: who was the head writer of Beaves and butt Head.
Speaker 1: He came in and worked with me and the writers
Speaker 1: to kind of come up with all our new material.
Speaker 4: Yet, what's the weirdest thing about getting famous?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of weird stuff about it, but it's
Speaker 1: mostly you know, it's mostly pretty exciting, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't think I really knew how
Speaker 1: to sort of behave, like how to act as far
Speaker 1: as you know, you're used to being kind of.
Speaker 2: You know, I was used to being.
Speaker 1: Kind of an underdog kid who didn't have any sort
Speaker 1: of access to anything, and always trying to prove yourself
Speaker 1: to people.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know I can.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to let people see that you have something
Speaker 1: to offer with your comedy or whatever. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the show's big, and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I think the initial like when I was the story
Speaker 1: I told about Saurday Night Live, the initial instinct is, oh,
Speaker 1: now I have to really go out there and really
Speaker 1: show people, you know, how serious I am this. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the truth is is probably it
Speaker 1: would have been better just to have laid back a
Speaker 1: little bit at that point, because you know, you already
Speaker 1: got the job, you know. But uh, and people are
Speaker 1: kind of looking at you a little differently, and there's
Speaker 1: people so but I mean, these are things that you know,
Speaker 1: I think are learning curves that you deal with and
Speaker 1: and uh, kind of first world problems in a way
Speaker 1: like I mean to complain about you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I I it was mostly just my your dreams coming true, right,
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, I'm everything I've ever
Speaker 1: wanted is here. You know, I've got my show and
Speaker 1: my parents don't have to worry about you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, giving me money for gas and stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm uh, you know, I'm I'm but it was definitely weird.
Speaker 1: I kind of fortunate it sort of happened a little slowly,
Speaker 1: but it was it was night and day. Because the
Speaker 1: thing is in Canada, the show was big. I was
Speaker 1: getting recognized in Canada. I wasn't making any money in Canada.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really.
Speaker 2: It was still kind of a strange little thing that
Speaker 2: I was doing up in Canada. That was kind of cute.
Speaker 1: Well that's cute that kids doing this thing, and they'd
Speaker 1: write an article about it. But when when all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're on MTV and and doing movies and
Speaker 1: getting commercials and all sorts of things like that, it
Speaker 1: did it did become a lot to uh to kind
Speaker 1: of process for sure.
Speaker 3: Did it affect your mental health to have to outdo
Speaker 3: the last thing constantly? Yeah, Like because they've seen it,
Speaker 3: so now I got to get crazier, Like, was that
Speaker 3: a struggle mentally?
Speaker 1: I think the thing that was cool about that specifically
Speaker 1: definitely some stuff affected my mental health and my emotional
Speaker 1: sort of you know, uh life. I think that was
Speaker 1: maybe even more to do with a little later, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was sick and things like that. I got
Speaker 1: cut cancer when the show was on, and that that
Speaker 1: got That was where it was started to become too
Speaker 1: much to kind of handle. But but you know, we
Speaker 1: had sort of this We had different types of bitsuited.
Speaker 2: On the show.
Speaker 1: So there was ones that were the crazy, gross ones,
Speaker 1: and then we had ones that were more dead pan interviews,
Speaker 1: and so we kind of tried to have different levels
Speaker 1: and layers to the show that it wasn't always just
Speaker 1: about trying to up the ante, but there was that
Speaker 1: feeling like you'd have a bit that would become the
Speaker 1: one that everyone was talking about and that would be
Speaker 1: last for a while.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone you.
Speaker 1: Paint your parents' house plaid, and people were talking about
Speaker 1: it for a few months, and come on, we did
Speaker 1: that three months ago. We got to come up with
Speaker 1: something crazier than that, so, you know, and there's definitely
Speaker 1: ones that I'm glad that I didn't do. I didn't
Speaker 1: put this in the documentary actually, but there was there was,
Speaker 1: you know, we everyone was encouraging me to replicate this
Speaker 1: stunt that somebody had done where they tied a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of helium balloons to a lawn chair, and you know,
Speaker 1: like the guy died, you know who did it originally,
Speaker 1: and they're trying and they were trying to convince, well,
Speaker 1: do it over the ocean, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: literally was trying to get talked into doing this by
Speaker 1: some of my guys that we were writing with and
Speaker 1: writers that we're writing with, and I did not I
Speaker 1: did not want to do that. So you know, there
Speaker 1: was an element for sure of trying to push, push it,
Speaker 1: push the envelope every week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked about in the documentary, the the buster
Speaker 3: Keaton very famous.
Speaker 4: The front of the house comes down.
Speaker 3: He's standing in the right spot, so right that open
Speaker 3: went like legendary. But you doing that stunt yourself, replicating
Speaker 3: that and everyone going on, I don't think you should
Speaker 3: do this. Insurance said no, but you wanted to do
Speaker 3: that one. How nervous were you to actually even though
Speaker 3: you're standing on the right spot, but the house was
Speaker 3: coming down on top of me. How nervous were you
Speaker 3: to pull that one off?
Speaker 2: I was. It was a nail bier for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, just because you know they tested it.
Speaker 2: It was it was it was. I mean, I was.
Speaker 1: As sure as one can be that the house was
Speaker 1: not going to kill me. But I wouldn't have done
Speaker 1: it if I thought there was even a I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess there's always a chance, but it seemed like
Speaker 1: a calculated risk. I was glad when we were finished.
Speaker 1: I was glad it was over. It was the whole
Speaker 1: house too. It wasn't just the frame of the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there was glass in the window to try to
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, modernize it.
Speaker 2: A little bit. We can get good breakaway glass and
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's super cool to do something that you've
Speaker 3: always looked at as legendary, which was why I was
Speaker 3: so excited to watch all the Letterman stuff in the
Speaker 3: documentary again grew up. That was like, my guy indulged
Speaker 3: me a bit, talk about why Letterman was important to
Speaker 3: you and how cool it was to go on the
Speaker 3: show and then also get to host the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we I found when I was going through
Speaker 1: all my tapes, I found that moment where where I
Speaker 1: got the call to host Letterman.
Speaker 3: So that was just kind of yeah, you're like with
Speaker 3: Glenn outside the car and you're like best manager ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really you could see you get emotional, so you
Speaker 3: could see it mattered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a I'd forgotten that tape existed when I
Speaker 1: got the call from Letterman to host, which was this
Speaker 1: was a little later, that was in two thousand and
Speaker 1: three when I was doing a new talk show for MTVS.
Speaker 2: But but.
Speaker 1: You know, in some ways that was more meaningful even
Speaker 1: than the first time I got to be a guest
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: But but I.
Speaker 1: Mean he was you know, everyone has sort of one
Speaker 1: hero when they're growing up that they just sort of
Speaker 1: would would just sort of you know that you think
Speaker 1: the world of and you just sort of consume all
Speaker 1: of their material, and and David Letterman was definitely mine.
Speaker 1: And and I think it's it's you know, it's definitely
Speaker 1: got something to do what I was saying about earlier
Speaker 1: about how it was before the Internet and you sort
Speaker 1: of felt like you were discovering something, and you could
Speaker 1: kind of almost made a part of your identity, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I know what this Late Night with David Letterman show is,
Speaker 1: and and I'm you know, I'm different than than everybody
Speaker 1: else who's watching other shows.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm watching this and and this is my thing.
Speaker 1: That of course, millions of people felt that way, but
Speaker 1: it was it was still the the sort of the
Speaker 1: underground talk show. And so yeah, so to get that
Speaker 1: call from him, I mean, you can watch my first
Speaker 1: appearance on the show, and you notice I don't go
Speaker 1: out on the show and going crazy and flip you know,
Speaker 1: costume and go crazy because I was, you know, I
Speaker 1: was out of complete reverence to him.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't have reverence towards Jay Leno
Speaker 1: and the Tight Show and all that stuff, but I
Speaker 1: was just that was the very first show I'd.
Speaker 2: Ever been on.
Speaker 1: It was David Letterman, and I was just kind of
Speaker 1: couldn't even believe that it was happening.
Speaker 2: So I just I was sort of a it's fun.
Speaker 1: When I watched the footage of it, I'm clearly a
Speaker 1: nervous wreck. You know, I'm holding my hand on my
Speaker 1: face and just kind of sort of like a It's
Speaker 1: one of those things where it feels like you're not
Speaker 1: even in your body, you know, you're just like, am
Speaker 1: I even here right now? This is really David Letterman
Speaker 1: was looking at me talking to me, so but I
Speaker 1: know I was incredible. And he was the first person
Speaker 1: to call the show when the show went on MTV
Speaker 1: and asked us to be on.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and then when you get invited back again,
Speaker 3: if it's the second time, then you realize, well, he
Speaker 3: must like me, he must not think less of me
Speaker 3: after I was on, Like that has to be kind
Speaker 3: of a ribbon, right, Yeah, to go on again, because
Speaker 3: that means Dave likes you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when he let me host was the was
Speaker 1: just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that he let me take over for.
Speaker 1: The night and and uh yeah, no, it was definitely
Speaker 1: those were those the highlight moments of the whole you know,
Speaker 1: the whole uh experience of the of the show and
Speaker 1: everything was being able to be you know, on on
Speaker 1: on Letterman. That was that was all I'd ever imagined
Speaker 1: or dreamed.
Speaker 3: Of because things were happening so fast once the show
Speaker 3: took off on MTV. Was there anything in the documentary
Speaker 3: footage that didn't make it or did make it that
Speaker 3: you were able to see to go, oh, maybe I
Speaker 3: didn't appreciate or understand or have the time to value.
Speaker 3: Just I was watching the clip of you and Steve
Speaker 3: Martin Martin Short, Yeah, yeah, that even just owning that
Speaker 3: picture like feels like you could look at it now
Speaker 3: and go, wow, that is substantial.
Speaker 2: And I can't.
Speaker 1: And I look at it, I got I can't believe
Speaker 1: I had you know, you know at the time, I
Speaker 1: did have the balls to do it. But uh, but
Speaker 1: a few weeks later I only had one. But uh,
Speaker 1: like I because I was before I had my testicular
Speaker 1: cancer right before.
Speaker 2: Actually, I got invited.
Speaker 1: On the Martin Short's H Martin Short daytime talk show
Speaker 1: and Steve Martin was the guest and I was the
Speaker 1: second guest.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting between Steve Martin and Martin Short. Who
Speaker 2: are you know two of my heroes?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And if you talk about.
Speaker 1: You know the the most you know amazing silly characters
Speaker 1: in comedy and history, it's you know Ed Grimley and
Speaker 1: the Jerk. You know these there are two of their
Speaker 1: big characters that they did and and that's why, you know,
Speaker 1: I ended up. I can't believe I look at that
Speaker 1: now and I can't believe I had the the balls
Speaker 1: to which I actually did, to put a you know,
Speaker 1: a cardboard box on my head and just sort of
Speaker 1: completely completely be really silly and try to out silly
Speaker 1: myself and then, you know, then get embarrassed about it.
Speaker 1: And they were really funny if you watched the whole
Speaker 1: we couldn't put the whole clip in, but they were
Speaker 1: really really supportive in a way. It was a really
Speaker 1: funny thing. I remember right before the show happened. You
Speaker 1: gotta keep in mind, I just I'd been living in
Speaker 1: the United States for less than a year at this point,
Speaker 1: and just this whole thing was just kind of unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Still.
Speaker 1: I'd been on Letterman, I've been on Oprah a couple
Speaker 1: of shows, but the whole thing just made no sense
Speaker 1: that I.
Speaker 2: Was going on Aren't Short's Show?
Speaker 1: And you know, Steve Martin came back to the dressing
Speaker 1: room before the show and he sort of told me,
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of episodes of the show and everything
Speaker 1: of my show, so so it was they were it
Speaker 1: was hard to believe that that that actually happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your music career again, their parallels with Steve Martin,
Speaker 3: who did music and comedy but also is a proficient
Speaker 3: banjo player, Like.
Speaker 4: He's a real deal musician.
Speaker 3: Oh you think at times him and Edie Burkell were
Speaker 3: and still tour and they do serious bluegrass.
Speaker 4: But he's also he's.
Speaker 3: The first comedian to ever play a stadium, right, And
Speaker 3: part of that was he'd plays banjo and but it
Speaker 3: was comedy, so there would be this blur of you
Speaker 3: wouldn't really know musically what Steve Martin was doing because
Speaker 3: he was fantastic technically excellent, but also hilarious with it.
Speaker 3: When it comes to your music, I feel like you've
Speaker 3: done a similar thing. I expected organized rhyme to be
Speaker 3: funny at first, like full, but you guys actually rapped, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you technically were good rappers and that's why you know,
Speaker 3: like you said, you were nominated for a Juno Award,
Speaker 3: Did you win the Junior nominated?
Speaker 1: You know, we were just nominated to be you As
Speaker 1: is a rapper named Devon and he had a Canadian
Speaker 1: rapper and he had a song called keep It Slamming
Speaker 1: and it was a big popular hit at the time too,
Speaker 1: so and there was Maestrill Fresh Wes I believe was
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it was Devon that won that year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was the big rapper back then was
Speaker 1: mice Real Fresh West and he usually won those two.
Speaker 4: So, but how do you feel about the ambiguity with
Speaker 4: you and your music career?
Speaker 1: Because you are proficient, it's always after organized rhyme. It
Speaker 1: always became something that I just have been doing for fun.
Speaker 1: And like I said, when I got when we started
Speaker 1: making these documentary the documentary in the show, you know,
Speaker 1: I produced these shows too, directed them, but also I'm
Speaker 1: producing them with my production company, and so I had
Speaker 1: the creative sort of freedom to decide what the soundtrack's
Speaker 1: going to be. And and you know, during honestly as
Speaker 1: recently as the pandemic, which is getting a little while back,
Speaker 1: but you know, when everything shut down and my stand
Speaker 1: up tour was canceled, I did sort of at that
Speaker 1: time think, well, one of the things I'm going to
Speaker 1: do with all this time is I'm going to actually
Speaker 1: try to really learn how to play the piano. I've
Speaker 1: meant to do it for years, and I start really
Speaker 1: start trying to figure out some more chords than the guitar.
Speaker 1: But I was really focused on that. I always had
Speaker 1: a home studio. But then when I moved back to
Speaker 1: cam Canada and I got this farm, it turns out
Speaker 1: I ended up being sort of you know, uh somehow
Speaker 1: managed to be able to connect with the Tragically Hip
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, they're they're just a legendary rock
Speaker 1: band from Canada. And and the late Gordownie was there,
Speaker 1: sort of very poetic and uh, you know, extremely incredible
Speaker 1: frontman of their band, and and uh the band still
Speaker 1: owns their studio, the Bathhouse Studio, and uh, and we
Speaker 1: were able to record our soundtrack for for the for
Speaker 1: the uh for the show there and I I've been
Speaker 1: kind of playing with some country musicians who you are
Speaker 1: in the area, in the country out near near my farm,
Speaker 1: and uh, and I just went in and recorded the
Speaker 1: soundtrack initially for the show, and then we just kept going.
Speaker 1: We've just been writing and doing songs for the last
Speaker 1: three years and uh kind of uh, you know, really
Speaker 1: just doing it. I mean, you know, the album really
Speaker 1: was just something that you know, really over the last
Speaker 1: couple of months, decided, Hey, I think I think maybe
Speaker 1: I'll put this out at the same time as the
Speaker 1: as the show, and so that's out there now too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the expectation was I'm gonna play the music
Speaker 3: and hear the absurdity, and then it felt, oh, this
Speaker 3: isn't absurd, and is that absurd that it's not absurd?
Speaker 3: And so then I'm like been origamiing myself, and in
Speaker 3: my mind I made the parallel like I would do
Speaker 3: this with Steve Martin's stuff when he was being making
Speaker 3: just making music for the sake of making it. Going Wow,
Speaker 3: this feels so different because he's being different, and I
Speaker 3: am entertained by not quite understanding like where he is
Speaker 3: mentally with his music, because because you're not all your
Speaker 3: songs are like hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah purposefully. Yeah, No, for sure, they're very serious most
Speaker 1: of them. There's a couple funny ones in there, for sure,
Speaker 1: But I don't I've never really listened to funny music.
Speaker 1: I mean, I did make the bum bum song, so
Speaker 1: the bum bum song was as silly as they get.
Speaker 1: But but but I don't know, it's something about when
Speaker 1: I it could also be.
Speaker 2: My limited amount of chords that I know, so it's
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: All these sort of minor chords.
Speaker 2: There's sad chords, you know. But uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I just uh, when I sit down to
Speaker 1: write music, I always try to write, uh, something that's
Speaker 1: coming from the heart. And a lot of times those
Speaker 1: emotions aren't funny. They're more introspective and thoughtful, thoughtful emotions,
Speaker 1: and those are the words that come to mind. But
Speaker 1: and and and you know, writing a soundtrack for the show,
Speaker 1: the show was about coming home and returning home to
Speaker 1: family and and going back to your roots. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to have a nice, sort of real soundtrack to
Speaker 1: the show.
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Speaker 4: I watched your documentary last night.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, awesome, Oh wow, thank you thanks for watching.
Speaker 3: I was excited. My wife missed you by a few years.
Speaker 3: So she wasn't fully familiar with the MTV show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she had seen some of the other like the movie stuff,
Speaker 3: but she didn't know like your whole story.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 4: So always a bit of a risk whenever you recommend.
Speaker 3: Any show to anybody, because like, I believe this show
Speaker 3: is going to be so good, and so I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: but she finished, and she was like.
Speaker 4: I'm really rooting for Tom oh right, And so we
Speaker 4: watched it last night.
Speaker 3: It was it was, it was great, and I had
Speaker 3: high expectations and it met all of them.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks Bobby, just a fan. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's kind of been a I mean,
Speaker 1: it just came out yesterday, and uh, it's been kind
Speaker 1: of a cathartic thing releasing it because it's very personal
Speaker 1: and and it's uh, you know, it's it's my whole
Speaker 1: life of you know, not just uh, the Tom Green
Speaker 1: Show on MTV, but leading back before it, and I've
Speaker 1: always kept all my footage and I wanted to want
Speaker 1: to tell the story right.
Speaker 2: So it was it was cool putting it together.
Speaker 3: For sure, watching and we'll jump around a little bit
Speaker 3: of watching how you did the show at your house?
Speaker 3: Like we've done a show at my house for so
Speaker 3: many years, but there have been a couple of times
Speaker 3: where people have like shown up drunk or like shown
Speaker 3: up to the.
Speaker 2: House, Toya and that I'm drunk right now, which.
Speaker 4: Is why I brought it up.
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, when you're inviting people into
Speaker 3: your house, it's a pretty intimate thing and we have.
Speaker 3: We have like a ninety nine percent success rating.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was that ever an issue for you where people
Speaker 3: would show up to your house and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know how this feels.
Speaker 1: Well that was That was when I was doing my webovision. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I built the studio in my living room, and uh, you.
Speaker 4: Don't just say who it was. I just wonder if, well,
Speaker 4: it might have been me.
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean it started it was kind of a
Speaker 1: bit of a wild and crazy show, and you know,
Speaker 1: so I would always have drinks with the guests and
Speaker 1: things like that. So so there was times where maybe
Speaker 1: we had a few too many, for sure.
Speaker 3: But never somebody showed up with like a like a
Speaker 3: big entourage with guns or anything like that. Uh.
Speaker 1: Never guns. No, never guns. That that's one thing we
Speaker 1: ever had to deal with. But there's probably a couple
Speaker 1: of times where we maybe had a few too many
Speaker 1: drinks with I know it was you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people, actually everybody you know, like you know, but
Speaker 1: I think I kind of I've stopped doing that. I
Speaker 1: stopped drinking while on the show. I've decided that experiment
Speaker 1: kind of had its run. Yeah, I do stand up
Speaker 1: full time I'm always on the road doing stand up
Speaker 1: and even you know, with stand up, I don't even
Speaker 1: like to have a beer before I go on stage.
Speaker 1: It really kind of affects everything, just the whole rhythm
Speaker 1: of everything.
Speaker 4: So that was something.
Speaker 3: That I found out knew about you was your very
Speaker 3: early beginnings of performance was going to the amateur night. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you would go because again, I felt like I knew
Speaker 3: a lot. That's why I liked the documentary because it
Speaker 3: showed a lot of things that back then there wasn't
Speaker 3: social media in the ability to just dial in on
Speaker 3: somebody and find everything right and to see that.
Speaker 4: How long do you think you and every week? Or
Speaker 4: did you go every week to the amateur night?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was.
Speaker 1: This was in the eighties, So I was started when
Speaker 1: I was sixteen years old and I started going down
Speaker 1: to Yuck. Yucks was the comedy club and still there
Speaker 1: and run by Howard Wagman who's still there, and he's
Speaker 1: encouraged me to go on stage when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: But i'd go down because I was a big fan
Speaker 1: of Norm McDonald who's from my hometown. And you know,
Speaker 1: that was sort of when I just discovered what stand
Speaker 1: up comedy was really and it was just so exciting.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 1: There was, like you said, no podcasting or internet even
Speaker 1: and and you know the podcast the comedians you'd see
Speaker 1: would be on the Tonight Show and that was it.
Speaker 1: And so to be in a live club at sixteen
Speaker 1: years old. They had a restaurant license, but it felt
Speaker 1: like you were going to a bar, and it felt
Speaker 1: cool to be in a bar at sixteen and then
Speaker 1: eventually ended up getting on stage, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was Ottawa is a smaller city. It's the capital of Canada,
Speaker 1: but it's there wasn't a lot of comedians. Was probably
Speaker 1: a dozen comedians in Ottawa at the time doing the
Speaker 1: open mic amateur Night, and everybody really encouraged each other,
Speaker 1: which was always cool. I always found it. I found
Speaker 1: it was very, uh, a good environment to be creative
Speaker 1: as in as a young kid. All the other comedians
Speaker 1: and people in Ottawa were always very encouraging to each other.
Speaker 1: Norm McDonald as well would come in and after his show,
Speaker 1: so this was before he was on Saturday Night Live
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and he'd come in and give
Speaker 1: people tips on their joke writing and performances and stuff.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I probably, you know, you'd get up
Speaker 1: once a week if you were lucky. That was for
Speaker 1: a few years there, but I didn't. I didn't pursue
Speaker 1: stand up. I stopped doing stand up when I was
Speaker 1: about like I did it for about three years, and
Speaker 1: then I stopped because I was in a rap group,
Speaker 1: we got a record deal.
Speaker 2: I stopped doing stand.
Speaker 1: Up for a few years, and then then the after
Speaker 1: the Tom Green Show was on MTV, I got back
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 3: So the total cliche thing is that when I've been
Speaker 3: to Canada, my show, my radio shows on in different
Speaker 3: Canadian markets, Ottawa one of them. Now, everybody's so much
Speaker 3: nicer there. And that was the cliche I had heard before.
Speaker 3: And then we would go even in Toronto, someone would
Speaker 3: come up to you on the street and here You're like,
Speaker 3: what are you going to take for me? And there
Speaker 3: it's like here are you lost? Can I help you?
Speaker 3: And that started to actually exist and you're like, wow,
Speaker 3: people in camp, is it just so cold all the time.
Speaker 3: When you finally get out, you're like, let's just be
Speaker 3: nice to everybody. But it feels like even the creative
Speaker 3: culture there where comedians are encouraging and.
Speaker 4: Like it's not always. It's not like that in a
Speaker 4: lot of places here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, although we just had a great
Speaker 1: conversation with everyone at the waffle house just down the road.
Speaker 4: Well, the South, they're nice.
Speaker 3: It's just the creative part of I just feel like
Speaker 3: it's such a competition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, States, it is, especially in in.
Speaker 2: The bigger cities.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think you can have good experiences
Speaker 1: and bad experiences. And when you're when you're just starting out,
Speaker 1: maybe you're not as threatening to other comedians when you're
Speaker 1: just sixteen years old and just trying it out. But
Speaker 1: you know, I've had you know, I sometimes find too,
Speaker 1: like when you're from somewhere else, everybody's like when Americans
Speaker 1: come up to Canada, Canadians are really happy to see
Speaker 1: Americans and probably want to, you know, show you a
Speaker 1: good time in our country, you know. Uh.
Speaker 2: And I find that can be true when we when
Speaker 2: we come down here to the South. You know.
Speaker 1: But I got show tonight in Nashville, so I don't
Speaker 1: want to say everyone here as an.
Speaker 3: Asshole yet give it the night. So it feels there's
Speaker 3: a lot of content. Because I watched the documentary and
Speaker 3: then it was like a four. It was like a
Speaker 3: four part series that what it is, No, can you
Speaker 3: explain what's happening with all the content because you have
Speaker 3: special have the documentary, the music, listen to the record.
Speaker 3: You kind of walk me through what you listen to
Speaker 3: the record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, cool, Well, so it's funny, like, uh so
Speaker 1: there's these three projects that are coming out on Amazon
Speaker 1: on Prime Video. And the documentary is sort of the
Speaker 1: story of the show and the history of the show,
Speaker 1: my old show, and how I got to where I
Speaker 1: am today having moved back to Canada and got this
Speaker 1: farm and this mule Fanny and sort of a new
Speaker 1: chapter in my life. And then there's a show called
Speaker 1: Tom Green Country and that's a docuseries and that's more
Speaker 1: about my life now.
Speaker 2: That's a four part series, so.
Speaker 1: And it's it's really about me settling in on the
Speaker 1: farm and getting my mule Fanny. I didn't grow up
Speaker 1: with with mules and horses and chickens and things like this.
Speaker 1: So it's been a really fun few years there. This
Speaker 1: kind of documents the first year on the farm. And
Speaker 1: but I've always loved being out in nature and outdoors
Speaker 1: and you know, fishing and camping and canoeing, and things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: So I'm not kind of it's not.
Speaker 1: Not exactly a fish out of water story where I'm
Speaker 1: walking around like I don't know how to you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of that because I was
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles for twenty years and now I'm back home.
Speaker 1: But but it's a it's a real fun show. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot different than my old show, sort
Speaker 1: of a you know, I'm really trying to.
Speaker 2: Show the you know, the I guess, just the reality
Speaker 2: of what it's.
Speaker 1: Like being in Canada and my family and and being
Speaker 1: really honest and and open about uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: feeling that I have of returning home after being in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles for so long. So so there's there's a
Speaker 1: different tone to it. And the music in the show,
Speaker 1: the soundtrack of it. We recorded it all at the
Speaker 1: Tragically Hips studio. It's an incredible band from Canada and
Speaker 1: uh and in the process of recording the soundtrack, I
Speaker 1: just started writing some songs and UH and UH really
Speaker 1: started working on this, uh this music.
Speaker 3: So so I'm assuming not coincidental that at least two
Speaker 3: of the covers I'm a big Beernaga Ladies fan. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I saw a fad a million dollars.
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite songs for them.
Speaker 3: And then the other one is Brian Adams Summer sixty
Speaker 3: nine both Canadian.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely not coincidence right.
Speaker 1: Now, and Gordon Lightfoot Canadian and uh Tragically hip Head
Speaker 1: by a Central also so yeah, there's four covers of
Speaker 1: four Canadian uh legendary bands on there, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we just honestly the album. I just went in and
Speaker 1: recorded some of those cover songs just uh just two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, not even a week and a half ago,
Speaker 1: and we really just kind of posted this just uh
Speaker 1: yesterday or today really so came up on Spotify today.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure Brian Adams even knows we covered
Speaker 1: the song yet, to be honest with you, but you know,
Speaker 1: we put all the writers you don't, yeah, exactly, So
Speaker 1: it's all I think. I was kind of surprised, you
Speaker 1: know what. It's interesting because I've I've written music sort
Speaker 1: of for fun since I was a kid.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: When I was a teenager, I was in this rap
Speaker 1: group and we were nominated for a Juno Awards, like
Speaker 1: a Canadian Grammy Award, and we were just silly trying
Speaker 1: to be like the Beastie Boys or something. And I've
Speaker 1: always written music, but I've never really cover songs. And
Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed doing these cover songs because it
Speaker 1: kind of it's a lot it's a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: when you put yourself out there when you're writing songs
Speaker 1: and you're trying to kind of, you know, say something
Speaker 1: that's that's heartfelt and sincere, and then you know, you
Speaker 1: sort of can second guess yourself and go, you know,
Speaker 1: just any good you know. So, but when you're doing
Speaker 1: a cover song, well, I know the song's good. At
Speaker 1: least I know the song is good, you know, and
Speaker 1: maybe my performance might not be good, but I know
Speaker 1: the song is good because these are some of the
Speaker 1: best songs ever to come out of Canada.
Speaker 3: So do you feel the same vulnerability, because if you're
Speaker 3: writing a song, like you just said, it's the same
Speaker 3: thing with telling jokes and doing a special, you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: judging me.
Speaker 4: I hope people like what they're judging. Do you feel that.
Speaker 3: With the comedy special the same way you're talking about
Speaker 3: with the original songs?
Speaker 4: A little bit?
Speaker 1: But the nice thing about stand up is you know,
Speaker 1: you work it out over time, and you know, I've
Speaker 1: been on the road, you know, for years now, and
Speaker 1: I'm always sort of sort of slipping new jokes and
Speaker 1: creating this set that eventually you end up in go film.
Speaker 1: So by the time you're filming it, you know, you've
Speaker 1: been and performing a lot of these jokes and stories
Speaker 1: in front of audiences for you know, sometimes even years,
Speaker 1: and you know that they work and you know that
Speaker 1: they're they're good, but you still you still get the nerves,
Speaker 1: you get the anxiety of oh, I could have I
Speaker 1: could flub a word tonight, or I could have a
Speaker 1: bad set. So but you know, having done stand up,
Speaker 1: the longer I do stand up, the more I kind
Speaker 1: of am able to prepare myself for a shoot and
Speaker 1: I you know, for filming, and I usually find that
Speaker 1: I'm able to kind of pull it out, pull it
Speaker 1: out in the in the end. And we only tape
Speaker 1: that show once. The stand up special that we did
Speaker 1: is called I Got a Mule. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: mule themes here, but it's sort of they all go together.
Speaker 1: They sort of talk there. Special talks about my life
Speaker 1: on the on the farm too, and kind of goes
Speaker 1: with the show so, but yeah, we only taped it once.
Speaker 1: We only did one show in front of the audience,
Speaker 1: and the last time I did a special was back
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. We shot it in Boston, and we
Speaker 1: taped it twice, and that's sort of normal to shoot
Speaker 1: it twice due to audiences, but I kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to just there's a thing that happens when I do
Speaker 1: stand up at least where I get this nerves nervous.
Speaker 1: I mean, so I'm sort of saying opposite of what
Speaker 1: I just said. I do get nervous, but it happens
Speaker 1: every night. It's a natural thing where I just sort
Speaker 1: of feel it leading up to showtime.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's just playing it through in your head.
Speaker 1: And it's not so much that I'm worried about it
Speaker 1: not going well. It's more about I'm worried about remembering
Speaker 1: every little detail of some new jokes or some new things.
Speaker 1: And sometimes in the on the day you're reshuffling around
Speaker 1: what you want to say because you're in a different
Speaker 1: city or whatever. So so so that's but that's the
Speaker 1: fun of stand up, right then you release, You get
Speaker 1: that release, and I find when I did do two
Speaker 1: shows in a night, or if you're taping two shows
Speaker 1: to make a special. I find that then you sort
Speaker 1: of have this feeling of like I've got a safety net,
Speaker 1: you know. If the first show isn't perfect, then I'll
Speaker 1: du I'll do it in the second show and then
Speaker 1: and we'll edit it to other and it's this whole process.
Speaker 1: I thought, know, I just want to go out and
Speaker 1: do one show and just like no, no, no plan
Speaker 1: B and H and I leave it all out there
Speaker 1: and that's what we did.
Speaker 3: So I struggle with feeling super secure. So February my
Speaker 3: special comes out on CMT February fourth. Never done one before.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, never right.
Speaker 4: I hate it now.
Speaker 3: It has an error, but I hate it now because
Speaker 3: I'm done with it and I'm like, this is not good.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's normal to not necessarily want to watch
Speaker 1: your stand up special over and over again, like I
Speaker 1: have a I sometimes have a hard time watching my
Speaker 1: my myself back, you know.
Speaker 2: Because you see every little thing you could do different.
Speaker 3: I'm sure part of the edit and watching the edit
Speaker 3: is like every fraction of every second where it's just
Speaker 3: like I'm so over me that it's like the promotion
Speaker 3: of it even feels weird because I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: even know if I believe in it anymore.
Speaker 1: It's probably a good thing, I think now, because if
Speaker 1: you were too into it then that that might come
Speaker 1: off as a little unlikable too, you know, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think you can go too far the
Speaker 1: other way, you know, where you're just so into looking
Speaker 1: at yourself that maybe no one else would want to
Speaker 1: want to look at you know, like.
Speaker 4: The house too.
Speaker 3: We have no more mirrors either. We eliminated me totally
Speaker 3: from the house.
Speaker 1: People like to see that vulnerability, I think can stand
Speaker 1: up because they want to see an authentic performance and
Speaker 1: they want to see somebody that's being real. And everybody
Speaker 1: feels nervous when they're on stage. So I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't worry too much about that. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: a normal thing. A lot of people never look at
Speaker 1: their specials they go up there.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't if I wasn't a control freak. I think
Speaker 3: with the creative part of it, even with like books
Speaker 3: and stuff like, I never want to read them back
Speaker 3: after I've written them, but I feel like if I don't,
Speaker 3: then I'm going to miss something.
Speaker 4: And regret it.
Speaker 3: So I'm like weighing the two shames, which while I
Speaker 3: feel more shame if I don't do, which is not
Speaker 3: the best place to be. That's what I feel like.
Speaker 3: I'm always balancing out the shame of me not being good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know that feeling.
Speaker 3: Was there ever a confidence Was there ever a confidence
Speaker 3: issue with you creatively?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh sure. Yeah. I think a lot.
Speaker 1: Of of what I do comes from that fear and
Speaker 1: challenging myself. And I mean the documentary was an extreme
Speaker 1: example of what you're talking about, because I'm going through,
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of hours of footage going back thirty years,
Speaker 1: and some of it's just like, WHOA, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I did that, you know, when I was twenty two
Speaker 1: years old, you know, and there's just so much outrageous
Speaker 1: behavior that we were doing on the old Tom Green
Speaker 1: Show on MTV and before and then you know, you
Speaker 1: look at things that happened, and you know, I was
Speaker 1: when I was first on MTV, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I had this new kind of show, I.
Speaker 1: Guess you would say, which was just outrageous in a
Speaker 1: different way because we were out in the streets shooting
Speaker 1: with video cameras and it was different, and I had
Speaker 1: this sort of thought in my head that like, I
Speaker 1: always have to be completely wild and nuts every time
Speaker 1: I go on a show. If I'd go in Conan
Speaker 1: O'Brien or Jay Leno or you know, a talk show
Speaker 1: of some sort, I would feel like I have to
Speaker 1: go just completely, you know, off the rails crazy. And
Speaker 1: so going through the footage, I sort of, oh, boy,
Speaker 1: I should have just toned it down a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, because because but you know, it's funny when
Speaker 1: you're looking at yourself twenty years ago and you're thinking
Speaker 1: I could have done this or I could have done that.
Speaker 1: And I've had a lot of those those self doubt
Speaker 1: and you know, questioning, you know, should I have.
Speaker 2: Done this or that?
Speaker 1: And making this documentary was that terrifying for sure, to
Speaker 1: put it all together. But it was also, like I said,
Speaker 1: very cathartic because I get to kind of put it out,
Speaker 1: the story and kind of kind of explain myself in
Speaker 1: a way, you know, this is this is sort of
Speaker 1: the story that I kind of want people who maybe
Speaker 1: don't know much about me, haven't been following me along
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years, coming to my stand up shows
Speaker 1: maybe sort of remember me from back in the day
Speaker 1: on MTV and don't really understand that a lot of
Speaker 1: what I was doing was a performance or a character
Speaker 1: I was creating. So so this kind of, I think
Speaker 1: will be nice to kind of set the record straight
Speaker 1: on some of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Were you able to when editing the footage be proud
Speaker 3: of that kid? I get therapy with a whole up
Speaker 3: picture up of me as a kid and go like,
Speaker 3: let's talk to this kid.
Speaker 4: Were you able to have that moment?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of almost kind of happened yesterday
Speaker 1: when I when we released the doc to the world,
Speaker 1: and sort of this I'm sort of going through it
Speaker 1: right now, even just just the past two days, people
Speaker 1: are seeing the documentary for the first time. I'm getting,
Speaker 1: you know, texts and emails and calls from friends from
Speaker 1: that I've known my whole life and family and and
Speaker 1: everybody's really kind of happy that the that the doc
Speaker 1: came together the way it did, and that I'm getting
Speaker 1: this sort of put this out there, and it's just
Speaker 1: sort of big relief for me because it's it's like
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of pent up thinking about this
Speaker 1: over the last really twenty years, you know, like twenty
Speaker 1: years of going oh boy, you know, I really wish,
Speaker 1: you know, like like when I hosted Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: I got to host Saturday Night Live. Okay, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old. I guess maybe twenty nine when
Speaker 1: I hosted Saturday Night Live, and you know, the show
Speaker 1: was doing great, and you know, I want to make
Speaker 1: it a wild and crazy episode.
Speaker 2: And but.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember I had two friends of mine
Speaker 1: who were friends from high school, actually were writers with
Speaker 1: me on The Tom Green Show, but really it was
Speaker 1: my friends from high school, and I were, you know,
Speaker 1: coming up with crazy stuff to do with video cameras.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden we were on MTV and
Speaker 1: I got asked to come on Saturday Night Live. And
Speaker 1: I asked them make it. I bring my friends from
Speaker 1: the show along.
Speaker 2: Can they do some skits with us?
Speaker 1: And so you know, they said yes, Lauren Michael said yes,
Speaker 1: and they gave us a little office and and now
Speaker 1: I'm there with my two friends and we're writing these
Speaker 1: sketches and we're trying to push the envelope, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as we can because we're thinking.
Speaker 2: It's got to be the craziest thing, you know.
Speaker 1: But I sort of think in hindsight sometimes I thought,
Speaker 1: oh geez, you know, I I think some of the
Speaker 1: writers at the show might have interpreted that as I
Speaker 1: brought my own writers and all this stuff, and they
Speaker 1: didn't really understand it was just like kind of me
Speaker 1: kind of trying to you know, include my friends, you know,
Speaker 1: so so.
Speaker 2: Getting emotional, so.
Speaker 1: It's it's weird. It's a weird thing. I do get
Speaker 1: emotional about it because it's like it's weird. You try
Speaker 1: to do the right thing, and then it gets misinterpreted
Speaker 1: and it's very it's very tough sometimes when when it
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it's it's nice to be able
Speaker 1: to tell this story in a way where Okay, I've
Speaker 1: been driving all day too, so I'm okay, I'm doing fine, Bobby.
Speaker 3: It feels like maybe they the other writers or performers
Speaker 3: were unfairly territorial, thinking you had other intentions when you
Speaker 3: brought your boys with you.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a very competitive environment Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: I've found over the last few years, I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of other people, cast members and stuff doing interviews
Speaker 1: about their time on the show, and I sort of okay, cool,
Speaker 1: it happens to everybody. You know, everybody's young, they're there
Speaker 1: to prove themselves. You only get so much time on
Speaker 1: the air, and and so then you know, when we
Speaker 1: came in, we were just you know, kids coming in
Speaker 1: and we're trying to sort of do the same thing,
Speaker 1: but we're just there for the week. I think it
Speaker 1: might have been taken the wrong way by a few people,
Speaker 1: but you know, all in all, it was a complete
Speaker 1: sort of honor and privilege to have done it. But
Speaker 1: I know the thing that's weird about that episode. Somebody
Speaker 1: brought it up to me the other day because I've
Speaker 1: been talking about, you know, the documentary. It's one of
Speaker 1: the weirder episodes. And that's saying something because we're talking
Speaker 1: about the show that's been done a lot of weird stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, this is maybe just a
Speaker 1: little weirder.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I'm sort of surprised they gave us as much
Speaker 1: leeway as they did. Kind of wish they hadn't actually,
Speaker 1: but uh but no, it's it's, it's, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: definitely a unique episode and people are starting to discover
Speaker 1: it again on you know, all line and stuff.
Speaker 4: So the Bobby Cast will be right back. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: This is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: What about four more questions and Mike has a couple
Speaker 3: before we wrap up.
Speaker 4: What would you say was the most fun.
Speaker 3: Micro period of all of your the most fun like
Speaker 3: what did you do where you're like, man, this is
Speaker 3: awesome where you can appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I've been saying this quite a bit lately because it honestly,
Speaker 1: I really am having the most fun I've ever had
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: It's uh, I.
Speaker 1: Think I just feel like I'm in a place where
Speaker 1: I'm you know, able to handle and understand what it
Speaker 1: is that I'm doing more. It's I'm not overwhelmed by it.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not on MTV and being thrust into
Speaker 1: everybody's face, so there's a little bit pressure, less pressure
Speaker 1: and honestly getting to know this.
Speaker 2: This this the.
Speaker 1: Animals that I have, now this beautiful mule that I
Speaker 1: am learning to ride, and it's very peaceful out there.
Speaker 1: And I'm also just recently engaged as well, beautiful fiance Amanda,
Speaker 1: So so my life's kind of coming together and uh,
Speaker 1: in a way that is I'm feeling very settled and
Speaker 1: moving back to Canada and getting this farm. It's it's
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever lived somewhere where I know,
Speaker 1: I have no intention to ever leave. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to move somewhere else. I'll be living, you know, at
Speaker 1: this farm for the rest of my life. And and
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's very I feel very grounded now
Speaker 1: and having a lot of fun with that. And and
Speaker 1: Amanda's here with me, and we're on we're on tour
Speaker 1: right now. I'm doing some doing our comedy tour across
Speaker 1: the US and driving. We drove down here from Canada
Speaker 1: and we're just having a great time.
Speaker 4: And you've driven the whole way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we drove here. Yeah, we drove, well, we drove.
Speaker 1: Our first show was in Chattanooga yesterday, so that was
Speaker 1: the first show. Yeah, So we just drove down from Canada.
Speaker 1: Was we took a couple of days.
Speaker 2: It was nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't believe you drove.
Speaker 2: That's yes.
Speaker 1: Well, we're actually in my camper van that that I
Speaker 1: got at the beginning of the pandemic. So we're when
Speaker 1: we're when we're on we have some breaks built into
Speaker 1: the UH into the UH tour, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: go do some some off off grid camping, maybe head
Speaker 1: out to the Grand Canyon and do some photography and
Speaker 1: uh we write some more songs.
Speaker 4: Have you ever been out there to the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 4: You've seen it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's one of the things that I am
Speaker 3: and I've.
Speaker 4: Been able to do some cool stuff and see some
Speaker 4: cool stuff, but.
Speaker 3: It's like still in awe of like how massive and magnificent, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that thing. And mostly I'm just like, I'll google image it.
Speaker 3: I'm good, you know, but like, that's a really cool
Speaker 3: part of the country in the world that I.
Speaker 4: Still I would like to spend more time. There.
Speaker 1: Something very mysterious and magical about the American Southwest. And
Speaker 1: so much of Hollywood was based on, you know, those
Speaker 1: John Ford movies out in Monument Valley and and and
Speaker 1: when when the pandemic happened, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: sort of isolated there, I got this camper van. It's
Speaker 1: really cool camp I didn't even know these existed, But
Speaker 1: there's these these really cool guys that were on that
Speaker 1: show Shark Tank and they started this Company's two friends
Speaker 1: that started this company in Phoenix, and they refurbished rampro masters,
Speaker 1: right and so it's uh, I've discovered them on the internet.
Speaker 2: It's like Boho Van it's called.
Speaker 1: And then they take a rampro master and they put
Speaker 1: a fridge in it, and they put solar panels on
Speaker 1: the roof and these you know, battery systems in it
Speaker 1: so you can So I kind of discovered that at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the pandemic, and I would go out
Speaker 1: into the desert. I built a recording studio in the van,
Speaker 1: and I started exploring the because I was living in
Speaker 1: La at the time, so I'd go out for a
Speaker 1: few weeks out to various places and just kind of
Speaker 1: set up camp. And it was unlike anything I'd ever
Speaker 1: experienced before with electronics, where you can when we go
Speaker 1: shoot videos, you always have to go back to the
Speaker 1: hotel and charge your batteries up at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. But now, all of a sudden, we have
Speaker 1: unlimited battery power and solar power. So so to go
Speaker 1: out into the middle of some of these beautiful places
Speaker 1: and just be creative out there was and be able
Speaker 1: to stay and just you know, run a recording studio
Speaker 1: off grid was really kind of an incredible eye opening
Speaker 1: thing because I went down.
Speaker 2: This rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: Of all the places that are out in this country
Speaker 1: that are not even widely talked about, like Native American
Speaker 1: ruins that are just incredible, like incredible. Everyone always talks
Speaker 1: about Machu Pichu, you know, and and and you know,
Speaker 1: the pyramids and all of these incredible ancient sites, right
Speaker 1: and people are so interested in But there's so much
Speaker 1: of that kind of thing from the same as old
Speaker 1: as Macha Picchu in the American Southwest. There's a Chaco
Speaker 1: Canyon in New Mexico is a place that's like a
Speaker 1: pueblo city that was just only discovered in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: It had been buried in this massive stone city like
Speaker 1: Machu Picchu right there. And so you know, to start
Speaker 1: discovering this and all the different sort of natural phenomenon
Speaker 1: and just beautiful landscapes and if you like photography, if
Speaker 1: you like making being alone in a camper van, it
Speaker 1: was really fun exploring that. So I'm taking my fiance
Speaker 1: Amanda out there. We're going to go look at some
Speaker 1: of our favorite spots and take some pictures. She loves
Speaker 1: taking photos too, and and hasn't Amanda's Canadian, so she
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten to see a lot of the country. The
Speaker 1: first took place I took her was the waffle House
Speaker 1: and National.
Speaker 3: Nothing is more American and southern. To watch out, everybody's
Speaker 3: got a gun around here. Ever, it's all of us.
Speaker 3: We're all packing right now. So yep, that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Two questions. Let talk to me about the dog, Charlie,
Speaker 3: big dog guy myself and you come up with a dog,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: Rescue rescue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's called a potcake dog.
Speaker 1: They're from the Bahamas. They call them potcakes, and they
Speaker 1: basically the local Bahamanian people like they feed the straight
Speaker 1: dogs the burnt rice from the bomb of the pots
Speaker 1: they call them Potcakes' generations of you know, dogs had
Speaker 1: got off the ships and they've become these sort of
Speaker 1: mixed breeds.
Speaker 2: They're really sweet dog.
Speaker 1: And her name's Charlie because she's named after John Steinbeck's
Speaker 1: Travels with Charlie in Search of America. And I got
Speaker 1: her right at the beginning of the pandemic where I
Speaker 1: got the van. And my dad said, oh, that's like
Speaker 1: travels with Charlie, And I said, oh. Steinbeck and he
Speaker 1: had a camper van and he drove around America and
Speaker 1: he wrote a book about America, and so I did
Speaker 1: that with my YouTube channel. Whole first year of traveling
Speaker 1: in the van is on my YouTube channel. If you
Speaker 1: scroll back, you can see all these places. I went
Speaker 1: to Chocoal Canyon and many of these other incredible sights
Speaker 1: and just made videos. So Charlie's named after Travels with
Speaker 1: Charlie and she's coming back to the desert with us.
Speaker 3: So final question from me, what bit over your career
Speaker 3: have you done that you still think is super funny? Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, probably the Slutmobile.
Speaker 4: The car hilarious.
Speaker 2: Can I say that on it?
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: It's funny how the world's changed, you know, Like at
Speaker 1: the time we were just saying it openly in Oprah.
Speaker 1: I'd say it, you know, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have used that phrasing today,
Speaker 1: but but you know, it was my parents nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: two Honda Cord where I painted the you know, the
Speaker 1: pornographic scene, had an air brushed on their car and
Speaker 1: Dad wakes up in the morning, what the hell have
Speaker 1: you done to the car? It's you know, it's their reaction,
Speaker 1: is really what it was. And that was that was
Speaker 1: always always the best bits were the ones that had
Speaker 1: the best reactions.
Speaker 4: Undercutter's Pizza was so funny.
Speaker 1: One of the best reactions, and that was because that
Speaker 1: was that was one of the I think that may
Speaker 1: have been the first, if not one of the very
Speaker 1: first videos we shot when we moved to the United States,
Speaker 1: and we're in Long Island, and you know, the bit is,
Speaker 1: I dress up like a pizza delivery guy. I follow,
Speaker 1: we stake out a pizza shop. I follow the pizza
Speaker 1: delivery guy. I've got my own pizza, but there's no
Speaker 1: no toppings on it. I've got a fishing tackle box
Speaker 1: with new toppings. And then I follow the pizza guy
Speaker 1: up to the delivery and then as when the person
Speaker 1: comes out to I start making the same pizza they
Speaker 1: ordered and try to sell it to them for cheaper,
Speaker 1: undercutting the competition. Undercutter's Pizza.
Speaker 2: That's the bit.
Speaker 1: But you know, we had no idea that the guy
Speaker 1: who I was delivering the pizza too is like working
Speaker 1: on his car, you know, and he.
Speaker 2: Was like sort of a pretty.
Speaker 1: Tough guy, got real Matt Eastern, chasing me with a
Speaker 1: hammer and screaming at me. And okay, this is but
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of the reaction was always was
Speaker 1: always what was So those are two a couple of
Speaker 1: my favorites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the bit where you just lay down
Speaker 3: and that's all reaction. But you got to have the courage,
Speaker 3: the nuts to just lay there and let people slowly
Speaker 3: build and then when do you choose just to get up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of the first, one of the
Speaker 1: first because that was early on in the show, and
Speaker 1: that was one of the first bits that happened.
Speaker 2: That was really that people started talking about a lot.
Speaker 2: And I used to do that in.
Speaker 1: School, Like I would just basically lie down on my
Speaker 1: face with my hands at my side. Later people called
Speaker 1: that planking, but and just to kind of confuse people, right,
Speaker 1: it was just sort of a stupid thing I would do.
Speaker 1: So then I think that bit was exciting to us
Speaker 1: because we had a wireless microphone and it was the
Speaker 1: first time we had a wireless microphone. So we realized, oh,
Speaker 1: I can be across the street. We can do a
Speaker 1: sort of the candid camera type of bit. So we
Speaker 1: put the camera up on top of a building and
Speaker 1: I just went lay down on a public street. It
Speaker 1: was a little social experiment. How long till somebody comes
Speaker 1: and helps me, you know. And it was a long
Speaker 1: time because we had to speed the footageup because I'd
Speaker 1: probably line there for twenty minutes before people's came came
Speaker 1: to help me.
Speaker 2: So maybe Canadians aren't that nice. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's that's so funny. I love people like reactions, Mike.
Speaker 3: A couple of questions for Tom.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the documentary. It kind of reminded me
Speaker 5: a lot of how many of your quotes have become
Speaker 5: a part of my vocabulary. Like I can't see tubing
Speaker 5: without saying tube That's what is the quote that people
Speaker 5: reference to you the most? They say, that's my favorite
Speaker 5: Tom Green quote?
Speaker 2: Uh, well, you know, daddy, would you like some sausage?
Speaker 1: That's a big one from from Freddy got fingered h
Speaker 1: you know, probably tubing, tubing, Tubing is good. I see
Speaker 1: the bum bum song gets a lot of references. People
Speaker 1: will sing that. There's always a lot of little sort
Speaker 1: of melodic things, like people remember the theme song of
Speaker 1: the show. This is Tom yeah, people with yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So people remember some of those earworms. And there's a
Speaker 1: new one that's that's wasn't from the show, but It
Speaker 1: was on the show Lol Canada where I sang this
Speaker 1: song which is sort of what led to my prime
Speaker 1: show where they have a bunch of Canadian comedians and
Speaker 1: in a room and I sang this song delicious Cheese sandwiches.
Speaker 1: So that's people sing delicious cheese sandwiches to me. You
Speaker 1: were stuff from road Trip like Unleash the Fury lines,
Speaker 1: lines from movies I think are pretty pretty common.
Speaker 5: To speaking of road Trip, I didn't realize that you
Speaker 5: work with Todd Phillips on a Pepsi commercial and he
Speaker 5: went on, you know, direct road Trip directed Hangover Joker.
Speaker 5: When you guys did road Trip, did he kind of
Speaker 5: just let you do you in those scenes? Or what
Speaker 5: direction did he give you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't the mouse when I put the mouse
Speaker 1: in my mouth. That wasn't in the script. So and
Speaker 1: also the song, the tiny Salmon song that was that
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting because there was a guitar on the
Speaker 1: set and you know, I know at the time I
Speaker 1: could play three chords and now I can play four,
Speaker 1: so it's pretty good. But he said, you know you
Speaker 1: want you want to write a song, So I wrote
Speaker 1: that tiny Simon song on my lunch break and then
Speaker 1: came back and they filmed it, and then they ended
Speaker 1: up putting that in the soundtrack. So he did let
Speaker 1: let me have some free reign for sure. And the
Speaker 1: late great Canadian director producer Ivan Rightman produced the movie,
Speaker 1: so he actually directed a sort of a couple of
Speaker 1: the tour scenes that I was doing as a It
Speaker 1: was the tour guide. Ivan Rightman was out sort of
Speaker 1: with me doing that, so so yeah, he kind of
Speaker 1: let me kind of go a little bit, for sure.
Speaker 1: But I mean the most part, I stuck to the
Speaker 1: script other than you know, those two things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like you're rock star touring on your comedy.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all the way until June. And the
Speaker 3: difference would be if I'm on the road at all,
Speaker 3: I do Thursday, Friday Saturday or Friday Saturday come back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like you're out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all the way and you guys will
Speaker 3: put it up in the notes as well, but all
Speaker 3: the way until June.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you guys are just here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I have a couple of breaks in there,
Speaker 1: and there's few breaks in there we're gonna but but yeah,
Speaker 1: for the most part, it's pretty pretty intense tour.
Speaker 2: But it's good.
Speaker 1: It's fun, you know. Like I said, we're traveling in
Speaker 1: the in the you know, on the road, not getting
Speaker 1: on the airplanes. It's it's just nice. The shows are
Speaker 1: close together. We're in Chattanooga last night, in Nashville tonight,
Speaker 1: onto Dallas, Tulsa, Oklahoma City. Then will be at Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan's Comedy Club, the Comedy Mothership, and then Houston and
Speaker 1: we get a little break and then we pick it
Speaker 1: up again in Colorado. But yeah, it's uh and it's
Speaker 1: it's fun because I'm playing a lot of music venues
Speaker 1: this time as well. So I have my guitar with me,
Speaker 1: So I'm start out the show with with you know
Speaker 1: stand up and do you know full stand up.
Speaker 2: Set, and then I pull out the guitar. I'll play the.
Speaker 1: Tiny Salmon song and and do some fun songs and
Speaker 1: then kind of ended off with a few of my
Speaker 1: uh more songs from the record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody check out this is the Tom Green documentary.
Speaker 4: Loved it. The Amazon Prime specials.
Speaker 3: Those are the It's a It's a at your House.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like life now. It's a four part.
Speaker 2: Three four part Yeah, Tom Green Country, and then.
Speaker 4: That's not out yet because I haven't seen so that
Speaker 4: comes out on the thirty first, gotch So it'll be
Speaker 4: out when this Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: And there's a stand up special two that comes out
Speaker 1: in a couple of days, so it's the documentary. Then
Speaker 1: there's a stand up special which is called I Got
Speaker 1: a Mule, and then the show Tom Green Country comes
Speaker 1: out on the thirty first.
Speaker 2: They'll all be out by the next.
Speaker 3: Week and take it to the toy you get him
Speaker 3: at Tomgreen dot com.
Speaker 4: Tom.
Speaker 3: Thanks and I'm sure I've stolen hundreds of things from
Speaker 3: you without even realizing it over the years, like no doubt,
Speaker 3: So thank you for all that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bobby. I mean, it is so cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: I you know, I sort of rolled the dice and
Speaker 1: hit you up on Instagram and said I'm going to
Speaker 1: be in Nashville and I'd love to come on your show,
Speaker 1: and you just it was so cool that you got.
Speaker 2: Right back to me. Man.
Speaker 1: It was such a that's awesome, man. It's just an
Speaker 1: honor to be here in your an amazing place, and thank you.
Speaker 4: I just gud You're real and not a scam.
Speaker 3: I fell for those Nigerian prince things way too many times,
Speaker 3: So that's what I thought you might have been.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's real, he's really here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time I'll send a Nigerian prince just for
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm more comfortable with that. Yeah, give him my account
Speaker 4: number and we're just good after that.
Speaker 3: Go to Tom Green dot com, get tickets to the tour,
Speaker 3: and go to Amazon. The documentary is great and there's
Speaker 3: just a lot of Tom Green content.
Speaker 4: Love to see it. Tom. Thank you for coming by.
Speaker 6: Thanks Bobby, thank you, thanks for listening to a Bobby
Speaker 6: cast production.