1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: I thought she was guilty at first, as I reading 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: what the news that. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: In Marion, Illinois, an eleven year old girl brutally stabbed 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: death her father's longtime living girlfriend, maintaining innocence, but charged 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: with her murder. 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 3: A few hours ago, I charged Julia Beverley, aged twenty nine, 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: of eleven three or four Songbird Road, Marion, with three 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: counts a first degree murder the murder of Jade Murray Beasley, 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: an eleven year old girl. 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 4: Most people that kill have a reason, a motive. There's 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 4: always a motive something, and it doesn't exist here. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 5: It's scary because the person who did it is still 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 5: out there and nobody seems. 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: To carened Pacheco and this is murder on Songbird Road. 17 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: According to Jade Marie Beasley's obituary, the sixth grader was 18 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: remembered as funny, smart and sassy, fond of playing outside 19 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: and swimming. She enjoyed art, drawing, painting, and video games. 20 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: The photo that accompanies the remembrance is the same one 21 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: used by the Williamson County States Attorney when he announced 22 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: her murder, showing a beaming young Jade bespeckled in pink frames, 23 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: her face framed with a golden bob accented with pink highlights. 24 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: She's sporting a pink beaded necklace and garments and a 25 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: matching hue. Jade's obituary goes on to state that she 26 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: loved her friends, adored her pets, and cherished her siblings 27 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: nut before listing surviving family. Missing from that list is 28 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: the woman who considered herself Jade's stepmother, Julia Beverly, although 29 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: Julia's son Jaden, is listed as Jade's brother, but from 30 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: the day of Jade's murder, Jaden's life would be forever altered. 31 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 6: He wants in living with his mom and his two 32 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 6: younger sisters. He lived with me in Carverdale, which is 33 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 6: twenty miles away from Marriam. Pretty much, you know, we 34 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 6: get to see his siblings not being in the same house. 35 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 6: It was obviously bad sad for him that it was 36 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 6: in an entirely different situation. 37 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: That's Stuart, the biological father of Jaden, Julia Beverly's eldest son. 38 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: The weekend Jade Beasley was murdered. Jaden was staying with him. 39 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 6: Now, I was gonna have him for a weekend, and 40 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 6: then he was going to go back Sunday afternoon evening, 41 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 6: I got a call. 42 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 7: From like DCFS. 43 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: DCFS, for those not familiar, is the Department of Children 44 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: and Family Services in Illinois like. 45 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 6: Kings Custody right then, so pretty much, you know, he's 46 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 6: just visiting for the weekend. 47 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 7: Then he was with me. 48 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: As Will further explain, DCFS would basically prohibit Julia Beverley 49 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: from physically interacting with her children pending the investigation, so 50 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: Renee high Tower would be the one who broke the 51 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: news to her grandson Jaden in person. The night of 52 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: the murder. 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 4: I told his dad that I was coming over that 54 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 4: I wanted to tell him, and he said okay. And 55 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: I got there and I told him that something happened 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 4: at his house. I said, a man broke in and 57 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: his mom is okay. And I said, budd he hurt 58 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 4: your mom and he hurt Jade. And I said, but Jade, 59 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: he heard her too bad. So he's looking at me 60 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: and I said, he's looking a little confused, and I said, 61 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: Jade is no longer with us. You can see him 62 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: kind of trying to swallow those tears, you know, And 63 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: that's why I told him, I said, it's okay, it's priging, 64 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: you know. So that's when he just let it out 65 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: and hug me, and he was just crying his arms 66 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: for a little bit, and I told him that his 67 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: mom was going to call him and he could talk 68 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 4: to her, and they talked for a little bit. I'm 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: not one hundred percent on what Julie was saying to him, 70 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 4: but I could hear a little bit of it. How 71 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 4: much she loves him, and he's going to stay with 72 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 4: Stuart for a while until things get figured out, and 73 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 4: he said okay, and she calmed him down a little bit. 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: We will dive much more deeply into this later, but 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: Julia Doveley wasn't the only one cut off from her 76 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: two youngest daughters and the son she was unknowingly carrying 77 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: at the time of the murder. Her eldest child, Jaden, 78 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: would lose not only his stepsister Jade and his mother, 79 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: but eventually all access to his younger siblings. So would 80 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Renee high Tower, their maternal grind who had been petitioning 81 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: for visitation when we first connected back to Stuart. The 82 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: Department of Children and Family Services and Jaden. 83 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 6: DCFS wanted to talk to him, and I'm like, well, yeah, 84 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 6: tell him truth, don't lie. 85 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 7: But there wasn't anything, you know. 86 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 6: TCFS talked him for like half hour and they were like, yeah, okay. 87 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 7: Well we'd left to interview. 88 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 6: But there's no signs or anything of abuse or neglect 89 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 6: or anything like those lines. 90 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: Which wasn't keeping with all the years Stuart had co 91 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: parented Jaden with Julia Beverly. 92 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 7: They never had a bad thing to say about his mom. 93 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 6: He was always you know, she was always nice and 94 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 6: loving and caring. There was no abuse. We never said anything, 95 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 6: no mark nothing. I mean even later on then when 96 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 6: he had his younger sisters and other stuff, he never 97 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 6: you know, he never had anything bad to say about her. 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: Suddenly the sole parent in terms of Jaden's day to day, 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: Stuart had to manage the passage of time with his 100 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: young son's relentless optimism that his mother's incarceration was temporary. 101 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 6: It took two years for the Troy where I mean it, 102 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 6: it was a drug out so long, and as sometimes 103 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 6: he was telling people that, oh well, once my mom 104 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 6: gets out, I'm going back. Even before the trial, he 105 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 6: was telling friends or his cousin like, well, I'm going 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 6: to go back soon my mom gets out, we're back here. 107 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 6: There're like, well, I know that's what you want. But 108 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 6: even if she gets out, nothing will be the same. 109 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Jaden's father has tried to help him navigate his new 110 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: reality an uncertain future. 111 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 6: We even talked about stuff like with the news, like 112 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 6: there's people that are, you know, innocent, locked up and 113 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 6: then you know years later then they're like, oh yeah, whoops, 114 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 6: you got the thrown person. Even if your mom gets out, 115 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 6: it's not going to be the same. It's still it's 116 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 6: going to be different, you know everything. Kind of like 117 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 6: try to tell him like your grandma might be too optimistic. 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 7: You kind of need to be in the middle. 119 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 6: Because I don't think she did it, but you know what, 120 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 6: if she's been in for so long, it's like there's 121 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 6: a possibility she doesn't. In his reality, things you're going 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 6: to go back to normals like that will never go 123 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 6: back to normal. 124 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: If there was a magic wand waved tomorrow and Julie 125 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: was out, you wouldn't have any reservation whatsoever about Jaden 126 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: being with her. 127 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 7: No not right. 128 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 6: I mean, like I've told him, it's like I don't 129 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 6: think she did it. 130 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 7: They've never found a weapon. 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 6: Or it's like if you step somebody that many times 132 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 6: you would have blood splatter with you know, like where's 133 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 6: the change clothes, where's this, where's that? 134 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 7: Yeah? Never made sense, Still doesn't make sense. 135 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: The accusation that Julia Beverly brutally stabbed her stepdaughter is 136 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: particularly nonsensical to Beverly's cousin Nicki, who witnessed not only 137 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Beverly grow up but eventually interact as both the mother 138 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: and stepmother. 139 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 5: She loved all her children, even the ones that she 140 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 5: didn't give her to. That is one thing that she 141 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 5: is extremely good at. 142 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: Nicki says she knows Julie extremely well, even for cousins. 143 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: She's my maid of honor. He's my best friend. Julia 144 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: has been my best friend since since she was born. 145 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 5: I am a little bit older, but we grew up 146 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 5: together and did everything together. We ama staying cheerleading from 147 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 5: little league, you know, all the way through high school. 148 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: We went to the same high school with each other 149 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: pretty much like every weekend at least. We were also close. 150 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 5: There was between me and my siblings, and her and 151 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 5: her siblings, who were seven of us, run around my 152 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 5: grandma's house all the time, so we. 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: All grew up together. 154 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: We were all extremely close, particularly Nicki and Julia. 155 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: We can look at each other and not say a 156 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: thing and know exactly what the other one. 157 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: Is saying, which is why Nicki was the first to know. 158 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: When Julia found out she was expecting her first child, Jaden, 159 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: while still in high school. 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: She was really young. 161 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 5: I think she was about to be eighteen, and she 162 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 5: hid it from us for a bit because she was scared, 163 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 5: and then obviously you couldn't hide it. She did it 164 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 5: on her own for a few years, and still his 165 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 5: dad kind of came back into the picture and have 166 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 5: more of a presence. I don't want to say she 167 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: struggle with it, but it's just like any new transition. 168 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 5: I know that I did whenever I had my first child. 169 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: It's hard. 170 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 5: It's difficult to do it at such a young age. 171 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 5: I can't even really imagine. She pretty much had to 172 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 5: drop everything to become a mom. She was a great 173 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 5: mom and changed her because you're seventeen and you just 174 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 5: got to drop all the things that you think are 175 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 5: the most important. Things in your life, like your daily 176 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 5: high school life that you think is going to be 177 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 5: your entire life, or going and hanging out with friends 178 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 5: on the weekend. Just fully committed to being a mom, 179 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: and she was there doing it on her own with family, 180 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 5: but on her own, which had to be extremely hard, 181 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 5: but she loved them compleatly. 182 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Home video show Jaden as a toddler playing rock band 183 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: with a young Julia Beverley jamming on a small plastic 184 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: guitar as Jaden sings lead. Their energy is loving and 185 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: relaxed and natural, as is the clip of Beverly and 186 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: Jaden still a toddler, enjoying the first flakes of a snowfall. 187 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 6: So snowball. 188 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: When Nicki and her parents moved from Marion to Massachusetts, 189 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Beverly eventually followed, living with Nicki for a period of time. 190 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: Jaden was two when she moved out here. 191 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 5: I had to be like twenty or twenty one, because 192 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: I had met my husband at the time. 193 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: She had Jayden out here, Jesus me, Julie and Jane 194 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: living together. 195 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: And so she went back after a few years. 196 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I would see. I say it was probably 197 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: about a year or so. It was it was just 198 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: a little hard. 199 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 5: Like we were We were here to help her obviously, 200 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 5: you know, but it was hard for her, I think, 201 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 5: just being so far away from her own mom. 202 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: It was soon after Beverly returned to Marion that she 203 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: met and started dating Mike Beasley. 204 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 5: She was extremely excited when she met him because he 205 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 5: had a daughter who was the same age as Jaden. 206 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 5: So she was excited because she being a single mom, 207 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 5: she thought that it was going to be extremely hard 208 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 5: to find somebody to be with. So when she met 209 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 5: Mike and found out that he also had a daughter 210 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 5: who was the same age, it was almost kind of 211 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 5: like amazing because their kids good play together, you know, 212 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 5: and they both kind of have the same situation going on. 213 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: So she was extremely happy when she met him. 214 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 5: Never Lily voice otherwise with me. Theyble together for eight years. 215 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: She actually came to visit you more than once with Jade. 216 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: Yes. 217 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, so she came with Mike and Jade and Jaden, 218 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 5: and they came a couple times. 219 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: They stayed with my mom one time, and then they 220 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 2: came out again for our wedding. 221 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: Just tell me a little bit about your observations as 222 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: to how Julie welcomed Jade into her life and their 223 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: relationship dynamic. 224 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: She was obviously extremely, very wealthy. 225 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 5: When you come in as the girlfriend, you know, she 226 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 5: never overstepped any sort of boundaries with her, but she 227 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 5: was very much their always there to talk to you, 228 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 5: to be supportive of. July treated her like her own, 229 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: buy things for her as if it was her own child. 230 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 5: Never had any sort of complainants about her. They came 231 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 5: pretty close. 232 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: To the point. 233 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 5: I think she would prefer to stay at Mike and 234 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 5: Julie's house over her mother's house. Just from when I 235 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 5: was told. She had her own space, had her own room. 236 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 5: She was included in all family functions, all things the holidays, pictures. 237 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: And things like that. 238 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 5: So I mean she was very much a part of 239 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 5: the family, even though they weren't head completing that they 240 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 5: were family. 241 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: Photos that Renee high Tower has shared appear to back 242 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: up this assertion, as does Julia Beverly's still existing social 243 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: media Her Facebook cover photo, now updated by Renee, boasts 244 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: a banner with hashtag I Stand with Julie. Underneath is 245 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: a clausee of seven photos, four depicting Jadon and Jade 246 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: over the years. One shows a very pregnant Beverly as 247 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: she smiles, her arms warmly wrapped around the backs of 248 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: each step sibling as they bind down to kiss her 249 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: large expectant belly. Julia and Jade are both wearing similar 250 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: shades of bright purple, which pops against the green of 251 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: the grassy background. Another photo shows Jade and Jaden in 252 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: front of a colorfully lit Christmas tree. They appear to 253 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: be around age six, with their arms affectionately draped around 254 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: each other's shoulders. Jaden, the shorter of the two, is 255 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: lifting his head up towards the camera, wearing a wide grin. 256 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: Jade is kicking one leg up to the side in 257 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: a cheeky pose. They're adorable, as are all the siblings 258 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: shown together, especially in photos that depict the two youngest 259 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: girls being proudly and tenderly held by their big brother 260 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: and sister. Jaden and the younger girls all shared Julia's 261 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: broad smile. A deeper dive into Julia Beverly's Facebook history 262 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: reflects the ongoing yearly tradition of posting Jaden's back to 263 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: school photos alongside Jades. Also reflected in past years is 264 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: the blended family's apparent love for somewhat themed Halloween costumes, 265 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: all while juggling a job that, like motherhood, required patients. 266 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: As a customer service representative for Hyatt, Beverly was used 267 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: to diffusing disgruntled people's frustrations in a calm, respectful, and 268 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: efficient manner. 269 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: She was actually incredibly patient, probably more patient than me. 270 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: Motherhood was everything to her. 271 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 5: I mean, she did work from home, so she still 272 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: had a job as far as like bringing in money 273 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 5: into the household, I'm pretty sure she was also the 274 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 5: primary breadwinner, but she worked from home as a way 275 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 5: to still be extremely present and available to her children. 276 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 5: Every waiting moment was dedicated for her children. 277 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: It is of note again that Mike and Julie were 278 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: together for nearly eight years and had already purchased wedding bands. 279 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: They had planned for both of their daughters and were 280 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: trying for a third, hoping for a son. Mike shared 281 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: custody of Jade with her biological mother, Jessica. Before the murder, 282 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: there had never been any reports of Beverly being violent 283 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: or abusive to any of her children, including Jade. If 284 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: there had been, it's doubtful that her father would have continued, 285 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: not only to live with Beverly, but to plan on 286 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: having more children with her. Murder on Songbird Road will 287 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: return after the break. Now back to Murder on Songbird Road. 288 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: Everything would change when Jade was murdered. Here's Renee's recollection 289 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: of picking up Beverly at the police station the night 290 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: of the murder and the days leading up to her rest. 291 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: Tell me what that car ride back from the station 292 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: with Julie was like. 293 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 4: Well, she was telling me the story and I was 294 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: just in disbelief and I was like, oh my god, 295 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 4: You've got to tell Mike. They're under the impression this 296 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: was suicide. And she's looking at me confused, like what 297 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: I was telling her? What was being said to me? 298 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: And I was wont through the story and she's just 299 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: shaking her head and she's crying, and she's telling me 300 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 4: how this man came in the house and she said 301 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: nobody should ever have to see that. She said, no 302 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 4: parent should ever have to see that. It was quick ride, 303 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: ten minute ride. We got in the house and she 304 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 4: sat down and my mom was hugging her, and my 305 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: mom was crying and made her cry some more. And 306 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 4: then her brother came and he just grabbed her and 307 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 4: hugged her, and then she lost it again, crying more. 308 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: And then my mom's just sitting there rubbing her back, 309 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 4: and she just kept saying, I should have just took 310 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 4: her with me. I should have just took her with me. 311 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 4: And my mom's telling her, you can't blame yourself, Julie, 312 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: you can't. I can't put this on you. She still 313 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: had the jail uniform on the little jumpsuit they gave 314 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 4: her because they took her clothing. 315 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: When Beverly agreed to be questioned at the Williamson County 316 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department without a lawyer present, she also willingly consented 317 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: to the collection of DNA from both her person and 318 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: her articles of clothing. We'll dive much more deeply into 319 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: issues with how that DNA was collected later. 320 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 4: Back to Renee, I got some of my clothes, gave 321 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: her some little sweatpants, stretch pants and leggings and a 322 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 4: hoodie to wear, and she went in the shower and 323 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 4: she was in there for a little while. I want 324 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 4: to check on her, and I can hear her crying 325 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 4: in there, and she told me after she was in 326 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 4: their crying because she had blood on the bottom of 327 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 4: her feet, and when she got in the shower, the 328 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 4: kind of brought it back. 329 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: This is actually an important detail. Jade was murdered on 330 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: an unseasonably warm day, and Beverly had been wearing flip flops. 331 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: At some point she'd flipped them off and likely walked 332 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: through blood at the crime scene. Back to Renee, she 333 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: got out of the shower, I said, you have to 334 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: tell Mike. 335 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 4: We ended up driving back to Marion to go to 336 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 4: Mike's parents house. Called him on the way and said 337 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 4: we were on and way over and he said, well, 338 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 4: DCFS just called him. They're about to be here too, 339 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: so you might want to wait a minute. And I said, well, 340 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 4: we're right down the street. So and we ended up 341 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 4: pulling up almost right at the same time as DCFS, 342 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: and we sat in the car. It was me, Michael, 343 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 4: and Julie. 344 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: Quick clarification. Michael is Julie's older brother and an aviation 345 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: mechanic with the US Navy, not to be confused with 346 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: her boyfriend and then fiance, Mike. 347 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 4: We sat in the car. Cindy Maguire was her name 348 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: from DCFS. She came over to the passenger side of 349 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: my vehicle to talk to Julie, and that's when she 350 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 4: informed Julie that she cannot see her children, and she 351 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 4: lost it again and she's like no, She's screaming no, 352 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 4: because at this point, all she wants to do is 353 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: hug her family, her children. After some tragedy and horrific 354 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 4: tragedy like this, she wants to hug her children, hug 355 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: Mike and grieve. 356 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: What did they tell her. 357 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 4: They said that its protocol is how they termed it, 358 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: that she has to have no contact with her children. 359 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: She can have a video visit once a day for 360 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 4: fifteen minutes and that's it. That's the contact she gets 361 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 4: with her children until this is resolved. So she had 362 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 4: a sign of paper to where Mike gets temporary customer 363 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: of the children so they don't become wards of the state, 364 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 4: and she agreed to let them stay with Mike. She 365 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: asked if she could talk to Mike, and they said, well, 366 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: we're going to talk to him first and then we'll 367 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 4: see if he wants to come out and talk to you. 368 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 4: So they were in there for a good twenty thirty minutes. 369 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: Mike came out and as soon as Julie seen him, 370 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 4: she jumped out of my car. And ran to him 371 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 4: and hugged him, and he hugged her back, and they 372 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: were both you could see they were both crying. And 373 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 4: then I can see Julie talking to him and then 374 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 4: he and this is what me and Michael found really strange, 375 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 4: is the way he was consoling Julie. His immediate response 376 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 4: was to hug her, and he did. And then after 377 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 4: a while he steps away while she's talking and he 378 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 4: lights a cigarette. And then he's smoking his cigarette and 379 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 4: he's still close to Julie and then he puts one 380 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 4: arm around her shoulder, almost like resting his arm, almost 381 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 4: like he had to do it to put up a front. 382 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 4: It didn't look like a comforting hug that she needed. 383 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 4: It just looked like he was just going through the motions. 384 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 4: And I'm watching this, and I said to Michael, and 385 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 4: he's like, well, maybe it's because he smoked a cigarette. 386 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 4: He doesn't want to because Julie don't smoke, you know. 387 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 4: And I was like no, no, I said, look at 388 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: his options and he was looking away from her, smoking 389 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 4: his cigarette, and just it was weird. And Julie said 390 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: she was just going through like a brief summary of 391 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 4: what happened. It was just an odd behavior, consoling her 392 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 4: for like ten minutes. 393 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: In Renee's opinion, Mike was already doubting Beverly's innocence the 394 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: night of the murder. Subsequent events would reinforce her opinion 395 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: and had even more painful layers to this tragedy. 396 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 4: They talked, and she got back in the car, and 397 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 4: she was just upset. And for the next three or 398 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: four days she got to talk to Mike once a 399 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 4: day for fifteen minutes. On the very first phone call 400 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: she got to FaceTime with the girls. 401 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: Being denied physical contact with her children, compounded by the 402 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: stress and trauma of the murder, was overwhelming for Beverly. 403 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: According to Renee, Mike and the girls were staying with 404 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: his mother, Sheila Jaden remained with his father. Beverly stayed 405 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: with her mother and grandmother. 406 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: She didn't eat anything for two and a half days. 407 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 4: I finally forced her to eat a sandwich, and she 408 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 4: probably not even half a sandwich. I made her some 409 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: juice to drink some she had something in her I said, Julie, 410 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 4: you got it. You can't not eat. She wasn't eating, 411 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: she wasn't sleeping, she wasn't drinking. 412 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: Would you categorize her as in shock. 413 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 4: Yes, in shock, in horrific grief. I mean, yeah, yes. 414 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: In the four days she was with me, the food 415 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: she ate probably equated to the three fourths of a 416 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 4: sandwich and a half a cup of liquid in four days. 417 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: That's what she consumed. 418 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Beverly's already limited access to her daughters would entirely disappear. 419 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: Five days after the murder, when Julia Beverly was arrested. 420 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: Renee had been trying to help her daughter remember any 421 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: details from the day Jade was killed, hoping they would 422 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: vindicate her with the timeline. 423 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 4: Well, I remember it like it was yesterday. Once she 424 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 4: left that police station. She was with me for four 425 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 4: days before her arrest. In that four days, she wasn't 426 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 4: remembering a lot, and I didn't want to force her 427 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 4: because I know what she had been through. But she 428 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 4: would give me little bits and pieces that she could 429 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 4: put together. It wasn't a clear pay sure, So I 430 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 4: told her that fourth day, I said, I want you 431 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 4: to sit down and write everything out that she did. 432 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 4: Maybe that will trigger some more memories for you, and 433 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 4: start with the time you woke up. And she started 434 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 4: writing it a few minutes later. She said, I went 435 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 4: to Hucks. I had to get gas. This was like 436 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: late morning, and that's when I made that phone call 437 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: to Gustantine to say that she remembered she stopped at Hucks. 438 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: We'll get to the importance of Beverly's recollection that while 439 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: she started out for Walmart, she never got there. Beverly 440 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: suddenly recalled in the days that followed Jade Beasley's murder 441 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: that she actually stopped at Hucks, the closest gas station 442 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: to her house, because her gaslight came on. Thinking it 443 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: would prove her daughter's innocence. Renee high Tower wanted to 444 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: share the information with the police. 445 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 4: I said, Julie, you got to tell them. You're on camera, 446 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 4: because as of right now, they're trying to say you 447 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 4: never left the house. And she's like, I can't. I 448 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: already I already invoked an attorney, so I can't speak 449 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 4: to them without her. I said, do you want me 450 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 4: to tell them? And she's like, well, I don't know 451 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 4: if you can, but I guess. So I picked up 452 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 4: the phone and I called and asked for Carl Gustantine personally. 453 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 4: He answered, and I told him that Julie remembered she 454 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: stopped at Hucks for gas and realized she forgot her 455 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 4: cards at home and then she had to go back 456 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 4: to the house. He said, well, I'll have to hear 457 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 4: that from her, and I said, well, she's already invoked 458 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 4: an attorney, so you have your information. And he said 459 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 4: okay and hung up the phone. 460 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: That call didn't have the effect high Tower had hoped. 461 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: Within an hour and a half, they were knocking at 462 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 4: our back door. 463 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with murder on Songbird Road. Now 464 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: back to Murder Songbird Road. 465 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: Cindy Geittman, Carl Gystantine and another officer stepped into my home, 466 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 4: my mother's home, through the back door. They said they 467 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: were there for Julie and they had a warrant for 468 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 4: her arrest. A few moments prior to this, we've seen 469 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 4: comments on Facebook showing her warrant on the judicial page, 470 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 4: and Julie began to panic at that point, and then 471 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 4: a few minutes later there was that knock at the door. 472 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 4: They came in and Julie immediately started crying. She had 473 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 4: her promise ring from Mike that she immediately took off 474 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 4: and handed to me. My mother was there. My mother 475 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 4: seen that they were putting cuffs on Julie and she 476 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 4: started crying and she said, you guys are killing her. 477 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I just named it because I've you can 478 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 4: feel my mother's pain at that point witnessing this, and 479 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 4: Cindy Geatman tells my mother, well, that's what she gets 480 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 4: for killing somebody. I just can't believe she said that 481 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: to my mother and I I just looked at her like, 482 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: why would you even say that? Why would you say that? 483 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: I have reached out to both Cindy Geatman and Carl Gustantine. 484 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: Both have since retired, as have multiple officers and officials 485 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: involved with the investigation into Jade Beasley's murder and the 486 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: case against Julia Beverly. Geitman and I spoke on the phone, 487 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: and she made it exceedingly clear that she did not 488 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: intend to comment on what would be her first and 489 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: last time leading a murder investigation back to Renee. 490 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 4: But I found out later when Cindy Geatman walked Julie 491 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 4: outside to frisk her and check her. Julia had her 492 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: hair in a ponytail with a scrunchy not a ponytail holder, 493 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 4: not a super tight one, very loose made of cloth, 494 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: scrungey and she grabbed it out of Julie's hair, and 495 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 4: Julie said she grabbed her hair so hard that it 496 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 4: yanked her head back, pulled some of her hair out, 497 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 4: And later I found that scrunchy sitting on top of 498 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 4: my car with Julie's hair all over it, and then 499 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 4: put her in the car and took her down to 500 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: the station. 501 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: Well, Carl Gustantine did not respond to my multiple attempts 502 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: to question him about receiving the tip Rene High Tower, 503 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: so she gave him. The police appear to have acted 504 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: upon it. 505 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 4: After she was arrested. I was furious, so I said, 506 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 4: I guarantee they're out there searching right now. So I 507 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 4: went past the guest and there they were searching the 508 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 4: trash cans somewhere in the dumpster. 509 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: And once they pulled the video from the gas station, 510 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: what did they claim they'd found. 511 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: They said that they got Julian camera stopping at the 512 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 4: gas station to throw away items, and they see her 513 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 4: on camera with this bag that could fit in the 514 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: palm of her hand, about the size of a diaver, 515 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: because that's what she had in the bag, a diver. 516 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 4: She said, maybe there was two in there, but it 517 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: was divers but she could clearly see on the camera 518 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: it could fit in the palm of her hand and 519 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: threw it away and then she went back to the 520 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 4: house to get her cards. 521 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: The prosecution would contend that the small bag Beverly discarded 522 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: contained the murder weapon, blood saturated clothing, and any material 523 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: she used to clean up any trace of blood on 524 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: her person. None of these items have ever been located, 525 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: not at that Hawk's gas station, nor the dump police 526 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: came for evidence. High Tower continues to take issue with 527 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: how the incentive to search Hucks was portrayed in court. 528 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 4: There was an officer in trial who testified that he 529 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: went to Hucks and the defense attorney she asked, well, 530 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: what made you go there, and he said, oh, I 531 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 4: just got a feeling, just got a feeling. 532 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: So they set it up to make it look like 533 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: Julie lied, when it was something that she remembered and 534 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: you gave as a tip, and then they didn't even 535 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: attribute it to Julie or to you. 536 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: Correct So Gustantine was also on the prosecution's witness list, 537 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 4: and if he would have testified then I could have, 538 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 4: but they kept him off too. 539 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 7: He didn't testify again. 540 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: And so they never disclosed where that tip came from. 541 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 4: Never I've even said this to people on my social 542 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 4: media platform and I get called a liar and no, 543 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 4: they found out that she lied, and I'm like, okay, well, 544 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 4: I've got a text message to my sister to prove it, 545 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 4: time stamped and all. 546 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: You probably would have phone records showing that you called. 547 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 4: Sure Do and every call is recorded that comes into 548 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: that police station. 549 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: High Tower has indeed showed me text messages and phone 550 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: records that back up her version of that outreach. Again, 551 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: to date, Carl Gustantine has not responded to my multiple 552 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: attempts to reach him. But while Renee's call didn't prevent 553 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: her daughter's arrest, it didn't provoke it. 554 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: The arrest warrant was issued the day before, actually it 555 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 4: was signed and issued the day before, and they chose 556 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: to arrest her on this day because her first appearance 557 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 4: it would line up on the same day as Jay's funeral, 558 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: And that was a calculated decision, I believe, to boost 559 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 4: and bolster the emotional outrage of the public because here 560 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 4: you have her having her first appearance at the exact 561 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 4: same time that the funeral is going on, and they 562 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 4: are a parking a lot away from each other. 563 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: Criminal defense attorney Bob Mada and I connected with Renee 564 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: on a call. Hello, Hey, how are you? 565 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 4: I I'm good. 566 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna patch and Bob stand by. Hello, Okay, I'm 567 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: merging us with Renee. Hold on one second, all right, 568 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: you guys, Bob, Renee, Renee, Bob, so Bob, we have 569 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: some really interesting updates for you. In the press conference 570 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: held five days after the murder, the then Williamson County 571 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: State's attorney states that Julia Beverly's claim she was met 572 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: by a knife wielding massed assailant were proven false, but 573 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: Renee high Tower and Julia's supporters have never stopped looking 574 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: for him. Renee even hired a private investigator to find him. 575 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 4: My private investigator said that he overheard a dispatcher because 576 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 4: they come out to his shooting range. He overheard dispatcher saying, 577 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 4: I thought we were on our. 578 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: Way to the other nine on one call. 579 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 4: Julie's nine one one call was placed at twelve twenty four, 580 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 4: so there's supposed to be another call. They subpoena the 581 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 4: number one calls. It's not in there. However, there is 582 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 4: a incident out in the same area that Julie is 583 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 4: at and this call was made at ten thirty for 584 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 4: a suspicious person and no way, yes, this is at 585 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: ten thirty. He was out there deligerent talking about harming somebody, 586 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 4: just cussing and carrying on, and somebody called the cops 587 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 4: on him and then they go respond and they pretty 588 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 4: much did whatever talk guys the name information sent him 589 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 4: on his way. He's wearing a black hoodie and duck pants. 590 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: This would spur the first of many rabbit holes. Bob 591 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: and I would go down looking for the knife wielding man, 592 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: and Julia Beverly claimed she encountered. But this tip led 593 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: to a specific man, a man now incarcerated for attempting 594 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: to disarm an officer and arrested multiple times previously, a 595 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: man who, unlike Julia Beverly, has a history of crimes, 596 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: mental illness, and a fondness for hunting. 597 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: Never in a million trillion years which never suspected Julie 598 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 4: of this ever, not one person. As a matter of fact, 599 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 4: they thought it was suicide before they even thought about 600 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 4: Julie until the police said it was Julie. 601 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 2: I mean, that guy sounds like somebody that we really 602 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: need to look at. 603 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 4: Yes, man, that is crazy. 604 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: If Julia Beverly didn't kill Jade Beasley, someone else did 605 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: and there was one likely place to start searching. We're 606 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: heading to Marian. 607 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 7: Yes we are, Yes we are. I'm here for it. 608 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 7: I'm ready. 609 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: On the next murder on Songbird we travel to Mary 610 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: in Illinois to sit face to face with Julia Beverly. 611 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 3: She says she wasn't even thinking, and then she's walking. 612 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 7: Through and then she sees the blood in the living room. 613 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: She says, oh my god, Jay and encounter a community divided. 614 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: The woman behind the desk at Starbucks she said it's sad, 615 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: but she also had her doubts as to whether or 616 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: not Julie did it before heading to the site of 617 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: the murder. 618 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 7: Should we go walk it? 619 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: I think so. 620 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 7: I think we should. 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