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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal, I'll that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy, you want to be happy for Dake Edith

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Speaker 1: state is that woo woom? And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 3: Oh making I am your captain Tye Hildebrand joining me

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Speaker 3: as always over there in beautiful New York City, or

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Speaker 3: Lieutenant Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: Welcome aboard the two's cruise here on the solid verbal,

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Speaker 1: where we try to put it all in context, both

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Speaker 1: a nautical context here as we set sail for the

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Speaker 1: open seas. Daniel, welcome back, Welcome aboard. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm seasonally affected, Tie officially are you? Oh my gosh, yes,

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Speaker 2: I just walked back from the office and it's getting dark,

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Speaker 2: and I tried to figure out way to spin that

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Speaker 2: into tonight's show, and it could be done. I could

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Speaker 2: talk about looking out on the horizon and seeing the

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Speaker 2: sun setting for certain teams, perhaps earlier than usual. We

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Speaker 1: We could do like a lighthouse slash beacon themed episode

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Speaker 1: where we could yeah, you see where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 2: I know I do see where you're going. And I

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Speaker 2: was doing research about you know, potentially doing a seafaring

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Speaker 2: School of the Week, and I was looking up different

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Speaker 2: mascot names and I wasn't sure, like if polar bears

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Speaker 2: are seafaring, they do swim in the ocean in the Arctic,

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Speaker 2: but I would associate them specifically, you know. I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm really in my head about delivering a quality two's

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Speaker 2: cruise to the people, and so I was seasonally affected.

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Speaker 2: But then I came up with the concept that we're

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Speaker 2: going to be doing so if you don't like the show, yes,

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Speaker 2: put it on your friend Dan, it is my fault.

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Speaker 2: And I got pretty happy about where this show could go.

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Speaker 2: So hold, even though I'm seasonally affected, ty, yeah, continue,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I feel like we have I'm gonna try

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Speaker 2: to get this right. Fair winds and.

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Speaker 1: Following seas, Fair winds and following seas. I was corrected

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Speaker 1: ultiple times at sliverbo at gmail dot com. I apologize

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Speaker 1: to all the merchant mariners out there. I watched that, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Now you can'tail that half of the Secretary's Cup against

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Speaker 2: the Coast Card Academy.

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Speaker 1: That is correct. So Daniel is not telling a fib

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Speaker 1: on this one. Usually what we do the Two's Cruise.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is why people enjoy it. It's always kind

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Speaker 1: of cobble together at the last second because neither you

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Speaker 2: Well, it's we do. We prep a ton and spend

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Speaker 2: a lot of time on the Sunday recap show, and

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Speaker 2: then we don't immediately turn our attention to the big

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Speaker 2: picture Monday recording two's Cruse release show, and then it

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Speaker 2: just sort of sneaks up on you.

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Speaker 1: It just sort of sneaks up on you, and it

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Speaker 1: just comes together last second. A lot of times, like

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Speaker 1: back in the old days of doing the show. This

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Speaker 1: is sort of the gist of our landlocked era. Correct,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, Daniel has put forth here. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Dan has put four here? Thank you. What I

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Speaker 1: would describe as a actual, honest to goodness ven diagram.

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Speaker 1: M m mmmm, Aurelli's ben diagram.

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Speaker 2: That's what I have down here, Yes, and I regret it.

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Speaker 2: And Aurelia's Ben diagram objectively not a great bit of wordplay.

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Speaker 1: droned on for far too long. What is this Aurelius

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Speaker 1: So you get you get some weird combos playing this game.

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Speaker 1: Where are we going to go? For sure? At ASU?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, big picture. Zero means you're sinking the sun

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Speaker 2: Wake I have is all three wake is actually good

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Speaker 1: I have all three.

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Speaker 1: This is like an inverted half team situation for BC

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Speaker 1: But is it wrong? Is it mean to say that

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, from a pure narrative standpoint entertaining. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Not the makers, not the right camp.

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Speaker 1: So you have them down for a one. They're not good.

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Speaker 1: You don't think they're entertaining. That means you're you think

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Speaker 2: I might be a zero. I think them down is one,

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Speaker 1: And it's not a zero that I think either of

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Speaker 1: I agree, it's just that's not we agree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense has been okay, but I if that's

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Speaker 2: They just fired their defensive coordinator. Arguably the problems are

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Speaker 1: Virginia. I have Down as a one. As a one.

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Speaker 2: I think they're competent, but I don't think they're entertaining,

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Speaker 1: I think they're entertaining solely because of Bryce Perkins, but

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Pit, I have as a one, same kind

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a two on PIT. I'm a solid

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Speaker 2: And that's apparently entertaining to you. I've got a weird

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Speaker 1: I agree. I have Miami as a two. Miami is

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Speaker 2: Go entertaining and competent to that defense, especially up front

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech I have as a one.

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Speaker 1: They're fine, they are improving, Yeah, competent. I think they

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Duke's offense is real bad. We knew it was

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yeah, one and a half, one and a half, because.

433
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: That is one of what nine twelve games of the

434
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: season so far.

435
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they put up what forty eight points? So yeah,

436
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: one of three quarters, one in three quarters. Okay.

437
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 2: I always state I have as a two. Yeah, I

438
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: think they're actually good, but they're definitely entertaining to me

439
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: and definitely competent. Oklahoma State I have is a two,

440
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: almost entirely because of Chewbahabberd now with Tyland Wallace out,

441
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: but that's just when you have home run potential at

442
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: any given moment, that's just entertainment.

443
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: It is. Yep, they're competent enough even with a not

444
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: my favorite defense. Texas I have is a two as well.

445
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: Texas games are entertaining, they are entertaining. Sam Allinger makes

446
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: it entertaining. I think they're competent. I just don't think

447
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: they're any.

448
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: Good, correct, that's the two. Texas Tech I have is

449
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: a one, and you know what, they're entertaining. Texas Tech

450
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: is entertaining. And this is all without their starting quarterback

451
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: and outside of the Arizona loss looks worse right now

452
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: getting killed by Oklahoma is not a huge deal for

453
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: a team in year one of a new coach without

454
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: their starting quarterback. But the winno of Oklahoma State looks better. Yes, yeah, agreed,

455
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State is improved. And then losing last second to Baylor,

456
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: losing by not a significant margin to Iowa State. Losing

457
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: to Kansas isn't great the way that they lost, but

458
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: it was entertaining.

459
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Yeah, for sure. Once it's

460
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: an entertaining product.

461
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: Ye, the bottom of the Big twelve ALTC is not

462
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: the bottom of the TC I have TCU as a

463
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: one missus zero.

464
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: Moving on? Whoa on? Really moving on? People have been

465
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: people have been asking, are you Texa a Texican again?

466
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: With TCU, they're dead?

467
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: You up?

468
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Zero?

469
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: Moving I have a zero zero for West Virginia.

470
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: Zero.

471
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have a zero for the Mountaineers thinking

472
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: can improve, and I have a one for Kansas. They're

473
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: an entertaining team.

474
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: They are entertaining. And here's here's the rub. When it

475
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: comes to teams like Kansas. Yeah, just on some subconscious level,

476
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: you kind of grate them against themselves from previous years

477
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: and compared to Kansas teams in the not so distant past.

478
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: This is a much more entertaining version of the Jayhawks. Oh,

479
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: it sure is much more entertaining version. They've won three games. Yes,

480
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: they're definitely a one.

481
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: Lose a shootout to Texas beat Texas Tech last second

482
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: in a very strange performance, blow the doors off of

483
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 2: Boston College in Chestnut Hill. That's where they play, right

484
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: Chestnut Hill.

485
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, play play West Virginia. I believe it's who they

486
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: played pretty tightly. That's an entertaining team. All right, So

487
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: we go to the Big Ten. Yeah, I think Ohio

488
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: State and Penn State definitively are threes. Yeah.

489
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: I dug a little bit deeper than I wanted to

490
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: in Penn State to make sure, but yeah, I'm locked

491
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: in with them.

492
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: Are the three? Both of those are threes? Are there

493
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: any other threes throughout the Big Ten?

494
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Minnesota. Really Yeah, I have them as

495
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: a three.

496
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: Wow. Two. I am happy to.

497
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: Be proven wrong. But the entertainment factor with their skill

498
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: guys on offense is there. I understand the schedule isn't there,

499
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: but they've separated themselves since the opening part of the season.

500
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: During the Big Ten part of their schedule against the

501
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: bottom of the league. They've separated themselves, right, Yes, they

502
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: wont other games, so yeah, I guess they're definitely competent, improved,

503
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: and I find them to be entertaining.

504
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: Now.

505
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: They haven't done it against I'm looking at I don't

506
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: think they've played what a top forty team. No, they

507
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: not play a top four team. Will they have the

508
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: opportunity this coming week.

509
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: They'll have the opportunity this coming week. They week after

510
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: and then after Northwestern which doesn't count, they go close

511
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: at home against Wisconsin. Yeah, so they'll have an opportunity. Yeah.

512
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: I have them down as a three. I don't know

513
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: if they're all that entertaining. PJ Fleck is entertaining, then

514
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess if I'm going to put ASU

515
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: in the entertaining boat because of HERM Edwards, I have

516
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: to put Minnesota in the entertaining boat because of PJ. Fleck.

517
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: It was not a great day for their defense at Purdue.

518
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: No otherwise otherwise, and that was a healthier Purdue at

519
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: the end of September. That is just I think healthy

520
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: Purdue is pretty feisty. Otherwise, I don't know what you

521
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: can ding them for. They don't schedule, they don't determine

522
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: how good their opponents are. They haven't played down to

523
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: anybody since all of October.

524
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: They blee teams out, all right, So let's rifle through

525
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: some of the others here. Then, Indiana, I have two

526
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: to two. Yep, I go to competent entertaining Michigan State

527
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: is they might be a zero.

528
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: You could talk me to zero. I have them down

529
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: as a one. I think they're at least competent. They're

530
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: certainly not improving.

531
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: Maryland started as a three, and they might now be

532
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: a zero.

533
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: And I have them now as a negative two and

534
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: a half. Oh, poor Tarps down as zero.

535
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: Rutgers as a zero. You left out the Michigan Wolverines.

536
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: I did that by design. Okay, is Michigan actually good? Yes?

537
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: I think they may actually be good. They're not entertaining

538
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: though to me they weren't entertaining. But now that they're

539
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: playing a little bit better again, I keep coming back

540
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: to the second half of the Penn State game. Now

541
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: that they've kind of gotten to a place where they're

542
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: more competent, I think the entertainment quality is kind of

543
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: coming back. So I'd be inclined to go three on Michigan.

544
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: But I could be terribly biased given that I picked

545
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: them to win the Big Ten and go to the playoff.

546
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: You're a classic former quarterback in the booth. The most

547
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: important thing, Dan is you gotta have a show.

548
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Don't do the mclroy voice. Don't do the maclroy voice.

549
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 2: The most important thing. Let me tell you, guys, short memory.

550
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: I think you have a short memory here. I do

551
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: the early part of Penn State and then everything before.

552
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: It was not a good watch.

553
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't. But but we're living in a post Penn

554
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: State world here.

555
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: That's six and a half games of unentertainment. I know,

556
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: but it's twenty eight to twenty five over Illinois in

557
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. But like season four, the wire was

558
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: the best sometimes or Season three, I don't know, I lose.

559
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean everybody thinks it's four. I like it.

560
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: I think it's four as well.

561
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: But my point is sometimes it takes a little bit

562
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: for things to properly season. It's like a good old

563
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: cast iron skillet.

564
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit you down with the Iowa Michigan game tie.

565
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: I'm really gonna sit you down.

566
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: See you're at what a two? I have them as

567
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: a two. I'm gonna go three.

568
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: I think they're actually good in comp but not entertaining.

569
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: In the West. We talked about Minnesota, Iowa I have

570
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: as a one. I don't think they're entertaining, are actually good.

571
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: I think the way that they've looked on offense really

572
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: holds it back for me.

573
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: I would agree, Yes.

574
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: Wisconsin I have as a two. I think they're competent

575
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: and actually good, but not entertaining. Agreed, Illinois I have

576
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: as a one one, and I think it's one of

577
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: the we joke about the what the drive for six?

578
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: I texted you right after the show revn for seven. Yep,

579
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm not proud of it, but you know, I had

580
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: to make it known that I am thinking about you

581
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: Ali and I Illinois this season outside of the Wisconsin win,

582
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: they've been in every game other than the Minnesota one,

583
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: which is yes. They were in the Eastern Michion game

584
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 2: that they lost, and in the Nebraska game that they

585
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 2: lost that it was kind of a questionable penalty at

586
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: the end.

587
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: They don't score.

588
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't believe they score an offensive touchdown against Minnesota,

589
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: but they're in it against Michigan in the fourth they

590
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: beat Wisconsin. They comfortably beat Perdue and comfortably beat Rutgers.

591
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: They're definitely competent. That is an undersold story of the

592
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: improvement of Illinois.

593
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: I would agree Perdue. Wow, I have as a one.

594
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: They're not actually good. We know that correct. They aren't

595
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: entirely competent, but they're very beat up, so they do

596
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: have a built in excuse on that front.

597
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: But we're just gauging what we see on the field.

598
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: They're entertaining because they're starting someone who sounds like he

599
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: might be related to Jake Plumber, but.

600
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: He's out for the year. He's done.

601
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh, he's out for the year now.

602
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: Excuse Yeah, yeah.

603
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: I misspoke. It might be a zero.

604
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: I think they're okay.

605
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

606
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we haven't really seen Rondell Moore and

607
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: there is zero.

608
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: They might be a zero. Yeah, what about a Nebraska

609
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: beating Nebraska gets get some points I have. I have

610
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: Nebraska as a one for entertaining. They're entertaining.

611
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they're good or competent, but they're entertaining.

612
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: The Adrian Martinez factor, and then north Western Northwestern may

613
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: legitimately be a negative ten. Yeah, I think they're an

614
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: obvious zero. And Nebraska. I don't even think it's Adrew Martinez.

615
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: I think it's like Wondale Robinson and J. D. Spielman

616
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: and Spielham. Yeah, Pack twelve. Oregon I have as a three.

617
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: I would agree.

618
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: I tried to pick that apart, but I have a three.

619
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: I have a two for Oregon State.

620
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: They're definitely improving and they're definitely entertaining. They're not very good,

621
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: but they're not good.

622
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: They're not actually good, but they're a pretty decent watch

623
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: and they're beating up on the bottom of the beat

624
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: up PAC twelve.

625
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: I get murdered by.

626
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: Utah, which is one of the class teams of the conference,

627
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: but they're in it against Stanford. That the Hawaii loss

628
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: will haunt them in terms of Bowl eligibility probably, But.

629
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are two.

630
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: I think they're solidly entertaining and comparee Okay, Stanford.

631
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: I have is a one. Stanford is competent. They are

632
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: not entertaining, but they're not entertaining, and there's definitely noting

633
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Washington and I have as a skep to go two

634
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: a soft two. Right, I have them as a soft two,

635
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: A soft two. They are certainly competent.

636
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: I think we've done an ad for a soft two to.

637
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry, They're definitely a competent team, sometimes entertaining, but

638
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they're actually.

639
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: Good Washington soft two. They're not actually good. Cal I

640
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: have is a one, but a man, it's been a

641
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: rough second half of the year without a quarterback, They're

642
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: is zero. We can only judge what we see on

643
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: the field, and what we've seen from this Cal team

644
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: is not improvement, as they've lost four straight to ASU, Oregon,

645
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: Oregon State, Utah. These are at least Oregon in Utah

646
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: best teams in the conference. Both of those games on

647
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: the road, and they were feisty against Oregon. Oregon needed

648
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: to come back and win kind of last second in

649
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: that game. But yet they've scored like nine points a game.

650
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm looking at I'm looking at

651
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: the standings here the points four versus points allowed columns. Yeah,

652
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: and everyone else is comfortably within the triple digits or

653
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: points scored. And then there's Cal with sixty one.

654
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the Washington, North Texas and Ole

655
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: Miss wins are all in their own different ways pretty interesting. Yeah,

656
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: Ole Miss can run the ball. North Texas has been

657
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: growing as of late. Washington on the road, that's always

658
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: going to be at least tough for a team that

659
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: doesn't have Washington's talent level, and Cal did it with

660
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: weird circumstances, and then the offense once again has led

661
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: them off a cliff. Okay, so I have Cal as

662
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: a one, but you know I'm going zero. I have

663
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Wazoo as a two.

664
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: Wazu is a definitive two.

665
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: They have the best offense in the conference, and they're

666
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: entertaining as hell no matter what happens.

667
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: Not actually good, but still two three correct. USC. I

668
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: have as a one USC and they're entertaining. They're entertaining,

669
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: they're entertaining.

670
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: Is a struggle, and they're not actually good UCLA. I

671
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: have as a one for entertainment as well, because if

672
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: for no other reason or you can you can convince

673
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: me it's a two.

674
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: They could be a soft two as well.

675
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Soft two because of improvement back half of the schedule

676
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: and the entertainment factor. With such a dreadful start, but

677
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: then giving us that ninety bajillion to eighty nine bajillion

678
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: game against Wazoo.

679
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: That's entertainment.

680
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty point comeback, whatever it was. Arizona I have

681
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: is a soft one really because offensively they've had nice moments.

682
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are entertaining, but Khalil Tait needs more action

683
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: for me to feel better about that one. Ah, it's

684
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: a soft one, and that's not a good place to

685
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: keep right. They've lost four straight, giving up fifty one

686
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: fifty six. Man, that's bad.

687
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: It's not entertaining. None of those were in actual shootouts.

688
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: They are They are definitely neither showing nor growing.

689
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: I feel very similarly with Colorado.

690
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: I have zero maybe one.

691
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: It's a soft one. Brow it's a soft zeal one.

692
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: So soft zero. Wow, Okay, Colorado is crazy beat up

693
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: and they've been so on both sides of the ball.

694
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: They've lost five straight and they've given up thirty five

695
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: forty five, forty one, thirty five thirty one with I

696
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: mean the senior quarterback and you know, really good receivers

697
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: don't play defense. But they've in three of those games

698
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: three ten and fourteen points with injuries and extenuating circumstances.

699
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: But they are not built to be long term entertaining competent.

700
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: Are actually good? All right? Let's go to the SEC.

701
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: SEC.

702
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: I have Georgia as a two. My guess is actually

703
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: good and competent, but you're not.

704
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: Erect I am not entertained by Georgia football. I saw,

705
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: God somebody joke about Jake FROMM throwing one hundred and

706
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: forty four or two yard passes at the NFL COMBI.

707
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this is gonna be the thing with

708
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: the SEC because you see a lot of defensive slug fests,

709
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: and you know, that's sort of the brand of football,

710
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: and defense wins championship the whole nine yards. But I

711
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: tend to agree. I would say that Georgia is entertaining

712
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: when they do the postgame interviews with Jake FROMM because

713
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: he's very excitable. He is, and that's fun to watch.

714
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: But okay, otherwise, the brand of football that they're playing

715
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: is like Alabama from maybe five years ago, and there's

716
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: a boring quality to it. But they are actually very,

717
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: very good. So that's what I think. That's what counts

718
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: the most.

719
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: I have Florida as a soft two. Florida is.

720
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: They may be actually good and competent, but not entertaining.

721
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: That's what I have them down as a soft two

722
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: for Yeah, Now.

723
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Could you make a case from his being actually good

724
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: but neither competent nor entertaining Missouri? Could you a team.

725
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: That lost to Vanderbilt and Wyoming is actually good?

726
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: So you're saying the answer is no, I'm desperately looking

727
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: for a team that falls into this only one category

728
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: of actually good but neither of the other two.

729
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: You're no, I don't know who that is. I have

730
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: Miszoo as a one. Auburn Okay, I'm entertained by Auburn's defense.

731
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: I love Derek Brown, I do.

732
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: It's tough, though, it's tough to find that team that

733
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: falls into that that category of just.

734
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: Actual competence issues for Auburn on offense right hard to

735
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: argue that. I think they might be the closest team

736
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: Auburn to actually good but neither competent or entertaining. I

737
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: love Anthony Schwartz and I love the opportunity he provides

738
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: for entertainment. But all right, South carolinular person.

739
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, South Carolina is a one. They're one. They're competent.

740
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: You beat Georgia, You're competent. Tennessee. Is I say soft two?

741
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: Soft two?

742
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: Soft two? Through I am entertained because I have that

743
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: dark sense of humor, and I do think they are

744
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: getting better. You think they're getting better. We talked about

745
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: this on a show a couple of weeks ago. So

746
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: I say, very very soft too, like a mister softy two.

747
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't have the sound here. But they're jet puffed

748
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: in a two. I mean they're entertaining. I don't think

749
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: they're particularly competent or good. So I have them as

750
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: a one. Kentucky is a hard one.

751
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, I have them as a two.

752
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, Let's go competent and then you

753
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: give me limb Boden. Yeah they're hard too.

754
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 2: That's entertaining. They're not good.

755
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: Vandy's is zero. Vandy's is zero.

756
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: And then in the west do we hit all the

757
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: East teams?

758
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: We hit all the East. BAM is a three. LSU

759
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: might be a five.

760
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: LSU was very entertaining. They're definitely competent in improving. And yeah,

761
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: Auburn actually good Auburn. We talked about Auburn being actually

762
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: good but neither entertaining nor competent.

763
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: They could be the one yep A and m is entertaining.

764
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: I question the.

765
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: Competence pretty competent on defense, and I don't think they're

766
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: actually goodizingly well, I don't think they're actually good. I

767
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: have them known as a soft two.

768
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Agreed. Mississippi State.

769
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: Wow, I have Misssippi State down as a hard one.

770
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: They're definitively not good. No, and I don't think they're

771
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: competent either.

772
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they're competent either. I think they're entertaining.

773
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: They are entertaining. They're able to do on the ground.

774
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: I think the early movies saw the weird game against

775
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: Kansas State. We've seen Kylon Hill run wild. They're entertaining,

776
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: they throw some weird, weird interceptions, entertaining, Ole Miss.

777
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: I have a soft two. Ole Miss. I have as

778
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: a soft two.

779
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: Improved defense and John Rey's Plumley. Entertaining. They run the ball,

780
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: they generate big plays. That's good.

781
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you, Dan.

782
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Arkansas I have is a soft zero. They're very bad.

783
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking earlier today as I was sort of

784
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: plumbing the depths of my mind at my mysterious day job. Yeah,

785
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: who would win in a four team playoff featuring Arkansas, Vanderbilt,

786
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: cal and Northwestern oh Man? So Arkansas? Who would be

787
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: the one seed or I guess the I guess it

788
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: would be the best of those teams.

789
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: Arkansas, Cal, Vandy, Northwestern.

790
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the col defense is the best single thing.

791
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: So they're probably the one seed going up against I'm

792
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: assuming Arkansas or Northwestern.

793
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: So if we're going by SP plus our friend Bill

794
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: Connolly's ranking system, Arkansas is one hundred. Cal is seventy

795
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: two because of their number twenty eight ranked defense. Vanderbilt,

796
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: I assume is the worst. They're one oh four. What

797
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: was the fourth team? Northwestern?

798
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: Northwestern?

799
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: Northwestern is let me load this up?

800
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: Why am I not finding there?

801
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: It is? Northwestern is ninety fourth, Okay, sonel four. Vandy

802
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: is the fourth seed.

803
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: So it's Cal against Vandy mm hmm, and then Arkansas

804
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: against Northwestern.

805
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of good overlap with the Arkansas Northwestern

806
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: fan base.

807
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of.

808
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: Some patico feelings.

809
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, people would pay to watch this, Oh

810
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: my god, you do it in June. People would pay

811
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: to watch this in jes Put it on the zone.

812
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: They'll take it. Northwestern technically by SPPLUS is the best thing.

813
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: Their defense is twenty first. Cols is twenty eighth. But

814
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: their offense is so woefully bad that it drags down

815
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: their overall rank. Could be like the college football and

816
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: it all right. So we have a handful of handful

817
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: of threes all throughout college football.

818
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: So my threes? Did you have any threes that I

819
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: didn't have?

820
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: Well, the only team we didn't cover here because we

821
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: went by conference isday Notre Dame. Okay, break it down.

822
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: I well, I'm biased by the way.

823
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: We'll say the only team that has a substantial shot

824
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: at making the playoff if they're eleven, and one that

825
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: they didn't cover, because there are many other teams we

826
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: did not. I think it's a soft two soft two.

827
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: Are they entertaining? Are they actually good?

828
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: I think they're competent, right, I feel best about their

829
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: competent and sometimes they're entertaining, But I don't think they're

830
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: actually good.

831
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: Where are the entertaining moments for Notre Dame this year?

832
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: The entertaining moments are the jump balls to Chase Claypool

833
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: and the interceptions by Kyle Hamilton and the pass rush.

834
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: So was there an entertaining game to you?

835
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: There have been entertaining moments to me.

836
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So they don't have an entertaining game. They almost

837
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: let the USC game slip away right Virginia, they had

838
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: a rough what first half?

839
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: Rough? First like they're entertaining moments Ian Book running scoring

840
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: the game winning touchdown this past weekend. There is an

841
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: entertaining moment that eighteen play, eighty seven yard drive, whatever

842
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 1: it was. That's a moment, but.

843
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: It fails out fifty nine and a half minutes of

844
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: not at that entertaining football.

845
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying it's a soft two and I

846
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: have them as a hard one. Okay, I get it,

847
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I do get it.

848
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: It's your classic what G minor F sharp you know,

849
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: one man's treasure? Uh, well, guitar FRAT reference for you, Ty.

850
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: So those are our Power five grading alignments. If you disagree,

851
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: you're probably right because Ty and I are not super

852
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: bright all the time.

853
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I came up with my grades on the car in

854
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: the car on the way home.

855
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: Do you have any G five teams that you want

856
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: to look at? SMU, Memphis, Navy are Charlotte forty nine ers.

857
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: I think Memphis might be a three.

858
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: I think Memphis is absolutely a three.

859
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: I like Memphis, SMU, I go, I go two. I

860
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: don't think they're actually good. They're competent and entertaining. I

861
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: think Navy might be actually good and competent but not entertaining.

862
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: I think that's years of watching Notre Dame struggle with

863
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Navy affecting you. Right.

864
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they lose to Memphis and otherwise they beat a

865
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: definitely improved Air Force team and that's it.

866
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Boisse, Yeah, Boise's is two, entertaining, incompetent.

867
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, played a nice shootout, won the nice shootout this week.

868
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: Okay, who else?

869
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: Anybody else in the Mountain West? I think Wyoming is sneaky.

870
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: Wyoming sneaky two. You don't think they're actually good? No, No,

871
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: soft three?

872
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: I have them down as Yeah, I think soft soft right, yea,

873
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: they have a really good offense. Dylan Gabriel is really good.

874
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: So I understand the pit loss is going to stick

875
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: with people because a team with an offense that prolific

876
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: shouldn't be losing to Pitt. But it's on the road,

877
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: it has a good defense. Soft three have them as

878
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: a soft three.

879
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: Well, Dan, this has been fun. This is the one

880
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Speaker 1: I get all my think and let's pull this ship

881
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Speaker 1: out of the Hermuta triangle.

882
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's unintentionally dirty, I don't know. The

883
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: Hermuta triangle wasn't my intention.

884
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Speaker 1: Let us know, Soliverble at gmail dot com, what you

885
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: think of the segment, what you think of our grades?

886
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: Going out to the subreddit at Soliverble dot reddit dot com,

887
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: and don't forget as you are watching all the college

888
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: football games this coming weekend, you can give us call

889
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: it four laid verbal one. That's the reverb line. Also,

890
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: the reverb line at gmail dot com is our little

891
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: pilot email address that we're using. If you record yourself

892
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: on your phone and send that voice memo to the

893
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: reverb line at gmail dot com, our boy Ryan's going

894
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: to pick it up on the backside and uh maybe

895
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: included as part of the reverbs on Sunday.

896
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Speaker 2: Ty, Have you been on a boat in the ocean

897
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Speaker 2: many times? Yes?

898
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Speaker 1: Oh, what was the last time you were on a boat?

899
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Speaker 1: And I mean it's been a while, but I'm pro

900
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Speaker 1: boat I love boats.

901
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: Okay, but you can't remember the last time you were

902
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: on a boat. It's been a while, now, I can't

903
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: it's been a while.

904
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Speaker 1: Okay.

905
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Have you been on a boat in the Bermuda Triangle

906
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: between Miami Bermuda, Puerto Rico in the Caribbean area.

907
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Speaker 1: My guess is if I had been on a boat

908
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Speaker 1: in the Bermuda Triangle, you wouldn't be talking to me

909
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: right now. That's it eats all the boats up. So

910
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: you are pro boat. I'm very pro boat. Yeah. If

911
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: you've been on a cruise, I've been on a.

912
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: Have you been on a docked cruise, bruze cruise between

913
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Speaker 2: Fort Lauderdale and the Bahamas. Oh so that's ocean. Yeah,

914
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: but you have not like slept. No, you have not

915
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Speaker 2: had a state room or a cabin of some kind. No,

916
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Speaker 2: I mean other than other than the two's cruise.

917
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Speaker 1: No, would you? Sure?

918
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: But you haven't done any I did want to Alaska

919
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: when I was when I was really young. I don't

920
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: know if I would do it again. Okay, yeah, I

921
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: like wandering around. That's not for me.

922
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Speaker 1: That being said, we are open to sponsorships from any

923
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: cruise like Carnival, Ribbean, whoever, my gosh Norwegian. Yeah, let's do.

924
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: It an actual two's cruise cruise with just us and

925
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: I don't know eleven verbals.

926
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Speaker 1: Get like a nice one and eighty dollars package and

927
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah, maybe sale from like New York to New London,

928
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: Connecticut where we can dock watch the Secretary's Cup.

929
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Yeah, there's all sorts off.

930
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Speaker 1: I'm making this up on the fly. We could do

931
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: a live podcast. Don't know what we'll talk about, but

932
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Speaker 1: figured it.

933
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Speaker 2: Out in all seriousness before we go. Can I ask

934
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: you an actual college football question? Yes, year and a half,

935
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Speaker 2: Willie Taggert. Does that feel too short? Does it feel

936
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: like more is gonna come out about structural like behind

937
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: the scenes stuff that made it seem like they had

938
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: no choice? Do you have to give somebody that you're

939
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: paying that much money time to at least get things right?

940
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: It's I mean you always sort of contrast a situation

941
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Speaker 1: like this with Gus Melson.

942
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: Because Gus Malzamba Jeane Shizick, Yeah.

943
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Right sure, But I mean just the Auburn situation, like

944
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: where it was like they're firing their guy for eons,

945
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: and then you've got a job like Florida State where

946
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: they just they just give him the quick hook. There's

947
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money that they have to show out

948
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: to get rid of him, and the on field results

949
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: have not been good. But anytime I see a situation

950
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: like this where it's such a quick cook, there's so

951
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: much money on the line, there's so much of a

952
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: structural rebuild going on behind the scenes. It makes you

953
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: wonder if there isn't more to the story. So and

954
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: I say that without any you know, insider information, what

955
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: do I know? Right? But it's it was the kind

956
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: of firing where it took us all back and we

957
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: all said whoa. I think you tweeted out whoa, yeah

958
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: on on our Soliverbal Twitter account. It it definitely caught

959
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: me surprise, And yeah, I can't help but ask if

960
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: there's more of the story.

961
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: The thing that I can understand in firing somebody this

962
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: quickly is I mean, we said the word about a

963
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: thousand times, is the competence of the on field product,

964
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: right where if there's no market improvement on little things,

965
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: that programs major programs with at least decent players. And

966
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: I understand all the challenges Florida State had coming off

967
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: of the Jimbo era and whether it's the cupboard being

968
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: bere whether it's disciplinary, whether it's grade wise, whether it's attrition,

969
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: I understand that it was going to take a long

970
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: long time to get this right. The two things, and

971
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 2: this has been presented by much smarter Florida State type

972
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: people than I am, and I'm not a Florida State person.

973
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: Is right away, Willie tagger got in there and was optimistic,

974
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: we're going to get this train rolling, We're going We're

975
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: going to do great things. And it was I think

976
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: it was Bud Elliott, our pal Budd talking about how

977
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: Scott Frost shows up at Nebraska and says.

978
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Speaker 1: It's going to get worse before it gets better. Long road.

979
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: We are not anywhere near where we need to be.

980
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: It's going to take a while. And I think the

981
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: optics of that perhaps have framed a very disappointing start

982
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: to Scott frost tenure in Lincoln. And he also has

983
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: probably a little more time in leeway because he is Nebraska.

984
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: He is chosen from there, he went there. Yeah, so sure, right,

985
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: And even though Willie Taggert's from Florida and grew up

986
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: Florida State fan, definitely different. But just the penalties, the

987
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: procedural stuff that just not knowing where to be, the

988
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: not knowing clock stuff, the not knowing time out and

989
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: time and place, and quarterbacks not knowing that they have

990
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: enough time to spike it or not like there was

991
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: there was so many little things that seemed to be

992
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: absent watching Florida State play, where you're just like, I

993
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: don't know if I don't know if this guy's running

994
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: a competent program, like.

995
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: We can use part of the show. We can use

996
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: Baylor as an example because when Matt Ruhle took over,

997
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: obviously a difficult situation to become head football coach, and

998
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: the early year and a half of Matt Ruhle was ugly,

999
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: but the guys played hard and you could see improvement

1000
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: from the start of the year to the end of

1001
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: the year. And I don't know if we've seen a

1002
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: whole lot of that at Florida State, and I think there.

1003
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Speaker 2: And a lot more defensible in terms of the roster.

1004
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: A lot of people on that roster are saying I

1005
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 2: don't want to be in Waco at all. You would

1006
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: understand why players would say that a couple of years ago,

1007
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: even in.

1008
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: The Nebraska situation. This year, with all the injuries they've had,

1009
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: I think it's disappointing, but at least there's an excuse

1010
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: there that may not exist in Tallahassee. So the quality

1011
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: of the product on the field has been sorely lacking

1012
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: and without that element of it's getting better. I understand

1013
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: certainly the cries to try and move on and go elsewhere.

1014
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Still call me by a p though a huge buyout,

1015
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: and Willie Taggert, I still think it's a really good coach.

1016
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: But man, they went very strongly in the direction of

1017
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: moving on, and we'll be interesting to see where things

1018
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: shake out in Tallahassee. We've talked at nauseum about USC

1019
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: by USC moving on in the form of a new

1020
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: athletic director, reportedly from Cincinnati. We'll see what the future

1021
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: holds for Clay Heilton. It's going to be interesting coaching

1022
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: carousel this year.

1023
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year Florida state one hundred and eighteenth in

1024
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: penalties twenty nineteen twenty seconds there it is.

1025
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: So just give.

1026
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: Yourself an opportunity to move forward. Just give yourself a shot.

1027
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: Well, Dan, let's dock the two's cruise here. Okay, we'll

1028
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: be back on Thursday morning to preview all that Week

1029
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: eleven has to offer. But like to thank one and

1030
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: all for downloading the twos cruise. Riding along in international

1031
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: waters with us and you go to the Hermua triangle

1032
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: and we will be back like we said on Thursday,

1033
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: to preview all the action correct, that is before us.

1034
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already, give us

1035
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: an email solverble gmail dot com. Let us know how

1036
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: we did, and give us a holler out on all

1037
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: of our social media accounts. Daniel, that's all I got.

1038
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: That's all I have as well my stuff before that

1039
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Speaker 2: go there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lieutenant Dan Rubens, myself, Captain Ty Hildebrand, thank you

1041
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: so much for riding aboard too. His crews catchup on

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Speaker 1: a few days. Stay solid, Hie,