WEBVTT - Part One: The Orgasm Cult 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.000 Also media. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.959 Buying. The Bastards stop the podcast you're listening to right 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.920 right now, worst people in all of history. We tell 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.920 you all about them, and you know, this has been 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.000 a rough year for a lot of us. Here behind 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.680 the Bastards, we've talked about a lot of pedophiles, and 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.599 I'm tired of talking about pedophiles. There are pedophiles in 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.440 this episode, but they're not the primary focus of the episode. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.680 Jamie Loftus, how are you doing the day? I'm sorry for. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.839 Work, and today we're talking to the biggest one of 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.240 them all, and we the White Well. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.360 I was like, I wanted to go right into the title, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:45.800 but then I hadn't introduced you, and I was like, 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.240 I should introduce Jamie before the title. But I also 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.479 party was like, should I introduce the title and then 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.120 bring in Jamie. I don't know I did it the 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:53.560 wrong way. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.520 I'm sure about the one complaint at the start here, Robert, 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:57.960 why are you not wearing a hat? 0:00:58.880 --> 0:00:59.880 I don't like cats. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:01.760 It's true, where's your statement hat? 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.400 So I don't have a statement hat? But Jamie, you 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.520 are wearing a Theorrhose hat right now? 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.920 Which am a well worn one? 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:15.720 A well worn one around the clock. Yes, homes sweat 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.039 through that thing she was waiting to hear she just 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:19.480 died it. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.240 Yeah. I actually contributed to her bail fund and she 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.640 mailed this to me iconic. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.920 I'm wearing a hat that fit little very appropriate for 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:29.559 today's episode. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.440 It's this Disappointment Awaits. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.319 Yeah, yeah, you're both going to get what you want 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.080 today because we are Jamie talking about a Silicon Valley 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:42.679 cult led by a female grifter. And best of all, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.320 it's an orgasm cult. It's an orgasm cult. Everybody beautiful. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.320 And then the crowd bursts into a clause. They're like, 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.080 you muscled through six weeks of pedophile to get to 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:56.360 the orgasm cult. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:02.160 We did it, folk, Yeah, yeah, thank god. It's like 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.480 washing your face in a stream only Actually, this is 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.280 very abusive and a lot of people get hurt. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:12.079 Oh it is behind buddy Disappointment Awaits. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.960 But we get to laugh at like Silicon Valley's starter 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:20.160 fucking shit getting mixed in with like traditional cult abuse techniques. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.320 It's very fun, and we love. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.399 To see women in a leadership role. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:29.360 Exactly a woman who is who is really really hurting 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.560 and taking advantage of a lot of men in a 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.320 way that does even the scales on this show somewhat 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.360 like if You're just interesting. It starts the process after 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.520 she goes through a lot of guys after. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.360 Specter and Savel. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.519 Thank you, Yeah, I mean Sable abuses a lot of 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.240 boys too, Sophie. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:47.520 That's fair. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.239 But I want to hear about a woman. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.840 Let's hear it. Yes, so we're going to Yeah, I'm 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.079 gonna guess you. There's a good chance you haven't heard 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:01.040 her name. She's Nicole to done like like d A 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:02.760 E D O N E. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.520 How many times is the word clatorus in the script? 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:08.720 I see it in the lot? 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:09.679 I see it. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:12.920 Can we get a control off on this? 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.720 Yeah, I just got really excited. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.040 I avoided it, but I used a couple of synonyms. 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:20.040 So here's the thing. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.040 Well times, how many times is vagina in the script? 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.160 Only six? Only? 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.800 The cult is based around this. Lady comes up with 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.839 a It has an idea that like, if you get 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.880 a bunch of women in a room and you have 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.000 a partner masturbate them in a room, sometimes with hundreds 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.400 of people watching, it creates this sort of like magical 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.720 energy effect that has a bunch of health benefits. 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.560 It's like an operating theater approach to Cummings. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.560 That's exactly what they do. That's exactly the heart of 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:56.520 the grift, Jamie. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.880 Okay, okay, listening. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:04.240 It's gonna be really fun. So what's also really fun 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.520 about this is that this practice getting all these people 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.320 in a room. I mean sometimes it was one person 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.920 at a time, but masturbating people in public totally detached 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.279 from sex. Right. Number one, it is only vaginas and 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.440 clatorus is being like manipulated, right, Like, that's the This 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.120 is not like a multi organ kind of deal. And 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.480 number two, this is not supposed to be erotic by 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.599 the end of it. By like the Silicon Valley stage 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.080 of the grift, we're treating this like you're taking like 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.560 a bulletproof coffee. And by the way, the bulletproof coffee 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:38.520 guys endorsed this business. So so many beautiful crossovers. 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.760 Ooh oh god. Yeah, anytime you have a Silicon Valley grift, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.279 you have some incredible side players. Always a great series 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:48.920 of Tim Farris shows up. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.280 It's awesome. Really Yeah, we get Tim Ferris. We don't 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.239 get a Navy seal. I was bummed about that, Jamie. 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.320 I was hoping one of those navy seals who sells 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.479 like energy bars would be in this picture, but no, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:00.920 tragically not. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.960 Oh this is okay, So the it's sex, but it's 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.440 not sex. So it's moorse than sex. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.720 Yeah, it's it's way worse than sex, and it's not 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.480 supposed to be sexy. By the end, this does start 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.480 with a bunch of dudes in like the seventies, who 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.240 it very much is about sex for. But before we 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.480 get to the dudes in the seventies, we're gonna have 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.680 to have a little talk because it's very relevant about 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.080 the patterns that these this group that's supposed to be 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.800 kind of like breaking the mold and making this like 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.960 women centric and not abusive fall into. We're gonna have 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.120 to talk about the history of the female orgasm in 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.200 popular awareness and medical conception. Right, Okay, there was. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.200 A part of me that thought you were going to say, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.320 we have to talk about the clittorus. Where is it? 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.240 How do I find it? Is it just all on 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:45.400 the same page. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:46.600 It's like a laser point. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.880 It's right, thing, just mining, So let's talk about it, ladies. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.560 Yeah, I think my sex, said was so bad growing 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.680 up in Texas. I'm fairly certain I learned about the 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.680 clitterists from the South Park movie. I think that was 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.480 my first encounter with it when I was like nine 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.080 or ten something like that. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.240 I said, I took it over summer school, and they 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:12.080 just showed us multiple horrific birthing scenes. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.800 Oh great, Yeah, we did see one of those, just 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.520 not one, not two, maybe four. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.920 God, well, at least they put in the hours. I didn't. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.520 I saw one birth video, but no, I didn't even 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.080 get like period information. And it was like a running 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.640 joke in my town. How the fact that they did 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.080 not invest in sex ed But uh, I went to 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.240 this massive high school where there was a daycare at 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.480 the high school, and you just have to think one perhaps, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.200 but some things my connected. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.640 Yeah, I remember. I don't think they even told us 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.960 orgasms at all existed. They told us that, like, you know, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.760 how the active intercourse happens physically and that it feels good. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.159 And I don't even think I think they're supposed to 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.880 tell us about like semen. But I think the gym, 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.440 the coach that was giving the lesson was way too awkward, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.279 so he just kind of breezed right past it. We 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:06.720 didn't hear anything about that. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.440 It's a part of the great American tradition to be 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.880 full of visceral fear and think you're dying the first 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:13.600 time you come. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:27.240 It's important, Yes, it's really crucial stuff. So for as 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.640 long as there have been people, we've understood that sex 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.640 at least could potentially be very enjoyable for both participants, 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.200 right like that, people have been aware that it can 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.800 be fun, even if they've hated the idea of that. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.720 But there's also been this understanding that people with penises 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.080 and people with vagina's experienced these pleasures somewhat differently at first. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.640 So far as I can tell, I don't think there 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.520 was a lot of controversy about this idea. In ancient 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.040 Greek mythology, Hera and Zeus are said to have argued 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.119 over whether or not men enjoyed sex more than women, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.280 and Zeus, who is a prolific rapist, argue that women 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.080 seem to take more pleasure in the act, and Haar 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.440 was like, yeah, I'm not surprised you said that, But 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.560 then she was like, obviously, guys enjoy it more. That's 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.040 why you're doing all the shit you're doing. Zeus, the 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.520 wide stage, Tyresius was brought in to give like an 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.040 answer to kind of adjudicate this, and he was like, 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.920 women feel nine or ten times as much pleasure as men. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.360 So he agreed with Zeus, and Harah did some really 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.000 mean things to him. She did not like that. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.320 Not to be honest, I didn't know zeus slander was 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:25.520 on the calendar for today. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.000 Zeus Slander's always. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.280 Slander is absolutely always on the calendar, and we do 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.480 talk about him like he is a guy that was. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.439 Yeah, he was just a dude, yeah, like we met 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:37.680 him at a cinemon. 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.319 My only compliment to Zeus is that story about when 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:45.880 Zeus birthed somebody from his forehead, and that's how I 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.160 think I got Anderson. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh there you go. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:49.880 Yeah. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.840 I like the one where he turns into like a 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.920 swan to have sex with a swan because he just 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.200 sees a swan that's so hot. But he's like, I 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.240 can't do this as a guy, like I gotta be 0:08:58.360 --> 0:08:58.840 a swan. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.600 First of all, a swan's not nice. Second of all, 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.160 no beautiful. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:10.439 M sure that's what Zeus said. Because the United States 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.840 is a culture that was heavily influenced by Puritanism and 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.400 generations in which women were shamed and ostracized for even 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.160 sexual contact that they had no choice in. It's easy 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:20.960 to see that like, oh, the Greeks were like way 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.679 more sex positive than like their Western descendants were thousands 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.960 of years later, right that, like, well, that seems like 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.319 at least a more sex positive view, even though that's 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.520 still kind of messed up, and there are some ways 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.640 in which that's true. But Assistant professor of Classics an 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.240 editor for the journal idol On Tara Mulder makes an 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.000 important point about what this myth was really saying, and 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.160 this is relevant to everything that winds up happening in 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.480 the Silicon Valley days of this fucking sex cult. If 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.880 the ancient Greeks were supposed to take a message or 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.120 learn a lesson from this myth, it was that women 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.320 were the lucky ones when it came to sex. Women 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.760 could be assumed to always want sex, and when they 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.480 got it, to enjoy it substantially more than men, giving 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.839 rise to the need for men to control sexual interactions. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.959 Sexuality of women, the companion to the ancient Greek and 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.120 Roman idea that women enjoy sex more than men, is 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.160 the ancient idea that women are sexually ravenous and insatiable, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.480 their sexual appetites couldn't be trusted and had to be 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.680 rained in by male guardians. So that's going to actually 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.480 be relevant to every every modern day orgasm cold, all 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:18.960 of which are again wrapped in like this is all 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.440 about the women, and all of us are going to 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.040 wind up recreating that like ancient Greek and Roman shit 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.920 like it's crazy, how it's nothing shanges. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.520 Okay, Okay, so we already have this is maybe a 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.040 record for being Robert of like, we can't talk about 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.320 this before we talk about ancient Greek mythology, and yeah, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.480 we gotta. I fully believe it. I fully believe it. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.960 So is this I'm guessing this is like, oh, this 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.640 is actually about like women and women's pleasure yep. And 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.760 women are obsessed with being controlled and need to be 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.000 controlled and that's actually hot and liberating. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.840 It's it's a little more complicated and honestly dumb than that, Jamie, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.240 But I don't want to spoil how dumb it is. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.679 A sex cult is going to be better. This is 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.280 this is instructive. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.880 This is critical to understand before you start a sex cult. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.160 And there's a couple more things that we need to 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.920 understand before we get into this, because there's a lot 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.440 of patterns the Greeks setup that we just never get 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.720 free of here in the West, at least. So the 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.560 sage Ovid advised his readers that women had a nasty 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.959 tendency to say no when they meant yes. Like he's 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:24.880 kind of the first guy in the Western canon to 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.800 be like a no, it's not a no, bra Like 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:32.600 that's that's Ovid, right, And this is endemic all over 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.040 ancient culture, just as it is like today. Hippocrates, the 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.160 father of Western medicine, weighed in on the pleasure debate 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.840 and essentially agreed with Tyresius, and through his descendants, medieval 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.000 Europe inherited the belief that female pleasure aided in conception. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.480 The term orgasm didn't exist, but they knew what one was, 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.120 and they thought it made pregnancy more likely. That like, 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.600 if she enjoys it, you're likely to conceive a child. 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.680 That was like the widespread understanding in medieval Europe, which 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.480 breaks a pretty important misconcent about medieval life, right that, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.679 like they were frightened and ignorant of sex because they 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.120 weren't nearly as ignorant as a lot of people who 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.280 would come later. For one thing, everyone lives in the 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.520 same room, see, like know where kids come from, right, 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:13.760 Like there's no missing that. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.040 You see them being created. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:20.600 Con Yeah, you're you're aware of how things work. There's 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.840 no like telling it. There's no getting kids to like 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.240 think that sex is not normal, like if you're growing 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.920 up in that environment. Several Catholic scholars, in fact discussed 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:35.760 prostitution positively. There was an idea around like Catholic theology 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.000 in this time that like you kind of need prostitutes 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.679 for society to work, that if they don't exist, things 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.360 go crazy. Like that was like a fairly widespread idea 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.160 among some circles. And there were even monks and nuns 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.680 who published work that was explicitly about sex. One example 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.840 was Constantine the African, a twelfth century figure who wrote 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.400 a book about sex, de Koitu on Sexual Intercourse. He 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.280 was actually translating the work of Muslim scholars, is often 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.400 the case with stuff like this. It been Al Jazzer, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.120 but he filed that guy's name off of the paper 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.040 for obvious reasons. He was just like, I'm just gonna 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.480 cut this red off. Just put this out on her. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:11.840 My name's my fuck book. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:12.559 Don't worry about it. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.960 This is my book about sex. Don't think about it. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.440 Per a blog called Constantinus Africanus by Monica H. Green, 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.960 It opens very clearly stating that sexual function was established 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.880 by the creator himself to ensure the propagation of all species, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.960 For if animals disliked intercourse, all the species of animals 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.600 would certainly have perished. Pretty hard to argue with. Many 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.120 of the same frank attitudes towards sexuality can be found 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.280 in others of Constantine's works. In fact, we find in 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.320 later manuscripts of the Constantinian Corpus a short work on 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.520 the potential harms and benefits of sexual intercourse, called again 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.760 the Liber Minor de Quoitu the Little Book of Intercourse. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.320 That's that's all kind of fun, right, that's all interesting. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.240 Yeah, okay, if you were so, like what Pad goes 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.880 way back, everyone's always been writing there for you, little thing. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:04.720 Oh yeah. Ever specially think Avid is like spouting the game. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.880 Oh yeah yeah, the first pick up artist. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.480 He's like, no, no, they love it, dude, they love it. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:17.040 Yeah, huge fans, So Jazzer wrote about sex, but he 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.480 wrote about it purely from the male standpoint, and to 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.960 the extent that Constantine was interested in gathering research about 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.200 sexual stealing, research about sexual pleasure. It was only stuff 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.240 from the male perspective. But they weren't the only intellectuals 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.840 weighing in on the subject. At the same time, you're 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.120 gonna love this this lady, both of you are. She's awesome. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.960 One of my sources for these episodes is the History 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.280 of Women medium page by Mary Devrai, and she wrote 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.320 a really good article on a contemporary of Constantine's, a 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.240 twelfth century Benedictine nun named Hildegard of Bingen. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:55.120 I'm I'm like, she's so my buzzwords today. She's just 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.960 is the non fucking cool. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.680 She's she's a horny nune. But more than that, she's 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.560 every now and then. You like read about someone in 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.720 history and they're from long enough to good that you 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.120 don't get a ton of granular detail, but you can 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.000 just tell like, oh, you were smart as fuck, like 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:15.520 you were a genius. And that's Kilda Guard. So she 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.280 she comes into life, she's born into a rich family, 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.000 but she had that doesn't mean she has any choice 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.640 or agency in her life. It actually means the opposite, right, 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.240 because during this time, her family's very religious, and at 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.920 this period of time, if you're super religious, it's normal 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.720 to tie the tenth of what you have to the church. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.840 And that's not just money. In this age, that means like, 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.880 if you have ten kids, you're given one of them 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.760 to the priesthood or to be a monk, or to 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:37.240 be a nun. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.960 Right like normal that is extended to flesh for. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.120 The very religious. Right. I'm not gonna say every family's 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:45.840 doing that, but a number of them are. That's why 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.040 there's so many people in the church. Right she can 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.960 get to ten, Yeah, we get the ten, we'll give 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.440 one to God. And her parents were also may have 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.120 been motivated. She started seeing visions at age three, so 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:00.480 that may have been part of why they're like, well, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.280 she's probably be in the church. I don't know if 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.200 I want to deal with this. So I don't know 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.960 what was going on there, and I actually don't know. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.040 Part of me wonders was she seeing visions or did 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.400 she realize that if she had visions and talked about them, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.440 she could manipulate her circumstances to improve them. And I 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:17.880 kind of think that may have been what's going on, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.440 because the visions are always very conveniently articulated to get 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.840 her what she wants. My interpretation of her story is 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.240 that the latter is more likely. But yeah, I'm an 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.240 atheist in a scallawagon. I like to see like a 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.760 clever underdog find a way to win in a religion 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.880 that's stacked against them. Like, I think that's fun. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.120 That feels like, so you know, that's like the history 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.680 of women in religion is like, oh, actually a God 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.360 told me so you actually it's like the only It's 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.040 like when I am trying to get someone to listen 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.240 to me, and I just respond and like from a 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.520 separate email and be like, Hi, I'm Kevin Jamie's representatives. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:58.840 Kevin is such a great fake guy name. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.840 Yeah, Kevin's a person fake guy name. 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.360 Could be a guy that's a great negotiator, Kevin. If 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.280 you ever get an email from Kevin, look out you're 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:05.800 about to get it. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:11.120 But you're gonna get fucking yeah. So I I anyway, 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.359 so she gets put up in this. I mean it's 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.120 a nunnery that's attached to a benedicting monastery. I don't 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.640 know benedicting nun is actually the proper term. But she's 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.520 like a nun and the nunnery is attached to this 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.080 Benedicting monastery and she's put under the care of an 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.200 anchoress named Judda. And an anchor is that that whole 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.560 thing means that, like Jutda is supposed to be anchored 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.240 to a place. She and her nuns are not ever 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.760 supposed to leave the monastery, like the world can come 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.760 to them, but they're not supposed to go out right, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.040 and you. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.760 Know as supposed to like there are there I guess 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.760 like the some nuns are loose. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.159 Yeah, yeah, well they're able to move around be in 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.399 the world. They can move to different nunneries or different churches, 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.680 are sure, like, because you know, the church starts a 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:51.879 new church, you got to be able to send some 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.440 nuns over. It's got to be one that's not anchored 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.040 to a place, right. I'm not an expert on this. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.240 This is just what the reading says. It seems that 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.439 makes sense. I know I've heard of anchorises before. Her 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.719 anchor nuns or yes, yeah, your anchor nuns and your 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.160 loose nuns. Your pocket nuns, so to speak. And by 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.199 the time Hildegard's a young adult, Judda's died, and it 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.120 says a lot about how good Hildegard is at the 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.600 social game that Hildegard gets made Anchorius when she dies, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.679 like Judda, passes the title onto her. So she's in 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.879 charge now, and she does not like this deal. She 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.680 does not want to be stuck in one place. As 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.040 Mary Devrai writes, she wasn't happy being attached to a 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.120 monastery and asks for permission for the nuns to move 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.120 away and start their own place. No, absolutely not, said 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.640 the abbot. Hildegard wasn't having that, so she went over 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.240 his head to the archbishop. Sure, whatever was his reply. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.480 But the abbot was not thrilled with the end run 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.439 or losing this community of women handily attached to his monastery, 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.520 or the challenge to has authority, or some other reason 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.800 we can only speculate about. He didn't let the women leave. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.240 You could say Hildegard wasn't going to take that lying down, 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.760 except that's exactly what happened. Hildegard was stricken, ill by God, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.760 paralyzed and unable to get up. It was God's unhappiness 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.080 about the nuns not being allowed to move. Hildegard told 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.200 the abbot her fucking awesome. 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:12.560 She's so cool, like, oh. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.840 You know, this guy you're telling me exists and talks 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.080 to us. He's talking to me right now, and. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:17.040 Oh, I can't come to work if I'm not a 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.320 loose nun. Sorry, right, Oh that's genius. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.720