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Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so

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Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to another episode. And it's not just any episode, it

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Speaker 2: is a birthday episode. Today we hit three years of

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Speaker 2: having Shades of the Afterlife, three years of you listening

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Speaker 2: to me through over one hundred and fifty hours of

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Speaker 2: episodes talking about the afterlife, some help through grief and

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Speaker 2: living life powerfully. Some good news, really good news. Last episode,

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Speaker 2: we talked to doctor Garrett Yacht about lucid dreaming and

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Speaker 2: it planted a seed within me. And I did some

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Speaker 2: looking on YouTube videos trying to find people who were

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Speaker 2: exploring life after death through lucid dreaming. Couldn't find much

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Speaker 2: So we can direct our dreams. We can heal ourselves

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: We're going to spend some time now talking to the

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Speaker 2: director and the producer from the brand new film After Death.

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Speaker 2: Here's Stephen Gray and Jen's Jacob.

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Speaker 5: The whole idea for the film started born out of loss.

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Speaker 5: I've been a filmmaker for about fifteen years now and

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Speaker 5: I actually grew up going to church all my life,

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Speaker 5: was raised in a Christian home and consider myself a Christian.

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Speaker 5: be proved for you, Sandra. In terms of audio, I

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Speaker 5: He's this guy who had fallen like two stories from

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Speaker 5: I'm a filmmaker. I'm curious how many movies there are

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Speaker 5: In my head, I just thought, if that's all ends

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Speaker 5: always to make a feature documentary. I thought the chorus

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Speaker 5: out and told one story in twenty seventeen, Captain Dale Black.

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Speaker 5: He's this guy who died in a plane crash nineteen

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Speaker 5: No resustation ever could happen to that person. The other

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Speaker 5: Then I, yeah, I went and told his story. One

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Speaker 5: Twenty seventeen, when it got released, it got a fair

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful, beautifully shot.

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Speaker 5: It's really also a really difficult subject that a lot

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Speaker 6: So I just reach out to them.

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Speaker 5: Gens can probably tell the rest of the story.

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Speaker 7: Steve actually just sent out a cold email to me,

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Speaker 7: The short was so beautifully done, so tasteful, and I

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Speaker 7: don't think I'd ever seen anybody quite depict the afterlife

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Speaker 7: So I thought it was just a very unique expression

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Speaker 7: this question. There's not a single person that hasn't thought

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Speaker 7: about it. Whether or not you believe it, you think

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Speaker 7: about it, you grapple with it. And for me, I

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Speaker 7: wanted to be a student of the project where I

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Speaker 7: went through the journey myself to understand the facts, the stories,

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Speaker 7: what this was about. And so that was a beautiful

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Speaker 7: place to be. And I love that about documentaries because

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Speaker 7: it's such a beautiful mechanism for how you can learn.

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Speaker 7: I wasn't really great at school, but I loved learning

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Speaker 7: through documentaries and visual videos and things like that. Being

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Speaker 7: a student of this project as well as a producer

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Speaker 7: was an incredible experience because it really was a sponge

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Speaker 7: in the season, letting the interviews, letting the facts, letting

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Speaker 7: the cases speak for themselves. And then yeah, and Steve

449
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Speaker 7: brought a plethora of knowledge and history and research that

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Speaker 7: he had done prior to this, so we were very

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Speaker 7: lucky that we had, or at least Cipher had that

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Speaker 7: to start with. So yeah, definitely was maybe not as

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Speaker 7: much of a believer at the beginning of the project,

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Speaker 7: was probably the residence skeptic in the group, and found

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Speaker 7: myself reaching my own conclusion through the film, which I

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Speaker 7: hope everybody does, regardless of if you believe it or not.

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Speaker 7: There's something I think that you'll get out of this film,

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Speaker 7: and that's the beauty of the way that this story

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Speaker 7: was told.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a.

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Speaker 2: Good time to take our break and then we'll be

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Speaker 2: back with more of Stephen Gray and Jen's Jacob when

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Speaker 2: we get back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife

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Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 3: Stay there, Sandra will be right back.

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Speaker 2: Hi. This is Ouija Board expert Karen A. Dolman, and

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Speaker 2: you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 2: Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: And now back to Sandra Champlain and Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 2: and we're listening to my conversation with Jens Jacob and

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Speaker 2: Steven Gray who are the producer and director for the

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Speaker 2: brand new film called After Death, premiering in theaters October

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. I know people in our life after

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Speaker 2: death community are so excited about it. Some of the

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Speaker 2: research that I've done depends on what study, but there's

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Speaker 2: over seventy percent of people believe in the afterlife, which

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Speaker 2: is cool, but probably one hundred percent of people are

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Speaker 2: afraid of what people think if they find out they

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Speaker 2: believe in the afterlife. So there's this inherent fear that

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Speaker 2: we all have. And I had it. I was like

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Speaker 2: a nasty skeptic. So I'm the perfect messenger for this

483
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: because I didn't believe in it. It's a lot of

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Speaker 2: convincing and now I'm the biggest supporter of sharing what

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Speaker 2: I know about the afterlife and bringing these great conversations.

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Speaker 2: But I think what's happening and what I feel happening

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Speaker 2: even within myself, is people want to share what they love.

488
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Speaker 2: They want to share their beliefs, they want to share

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Speaker 2: the signs that they've received, they want to share the

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Speaker 2: books that they've read, and as human beings, we're afraid

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Speaker 2: of what people may think. But the thing is with

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Speaker 2: this film it's like giving permission for people to openly

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Speaker 2: talk about it. And I think what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: is when people start talking, they're going to realize that

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Speaker 2: their friends believe in it, they just haven't said anything.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a real potential for this film

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Speaker 2: to be the catalyst for just everybody talking about the afterlife,

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Speaker 2: whether they believe in it or not, but reasons to believe,

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Speaker 2: whether near death experiences or some of the science things

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Speaker 2: that are happening, or some of the doctors involved. But

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Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you guys even for having that

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Speaker 2: vision and going for it, And it sounds like it's

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Speaker 2: ten years in the making to this, So kudos to

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Speaker 2: you guys for following your dream.

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Speaker 7: Thank you Santra. It's true what you're saying. I think

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Speaker 7: we uniquely have this ability to help shape culture in

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Speaker 7: terms of a movie about NDEs has not gotten this

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Speaker 7: wide of a release prior, so this is like a

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Speaker 7: huge step forward for this. And I would also like

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Speaker 7: to believe that it's extremely validating for the people that

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Speaker 7: have had NDEs, and I think it's going to be

512
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Speaker 7: a really cool way for if you did experience this

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Speaker 7: or you do question and you can't openly talk about it.

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Speaker 7: To be able to invite people into the conversation by

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Speaker 7: as easy as saying, hey, come watch this movie with me,

516
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Speaker 7: is such an easy, easier way to digest it, to

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Speaker 7: feel like you can talk about it, to feel validated.

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Speaker 7: So we encourage everybody to take the skeptics, the skeptic

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Speaker 7: in your family, or the skeptic in your group to

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Speaker 7: a film like this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that this film is like one of

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Speaker 5: the perfect kind of conversation starters, especially for someone that

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Speaker 5: definitely hasn't given a thought to that there's something after.

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Speaker 5: I think of even my neighbors here where I live,

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Speaker 5: and some conversations we've had about obviously the course of

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Speaker 5: making this film, even there's interest, but there's a few

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Speaker 5: of them that just and a lot of my friends too,

528
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Speaker 5: that just don't leave, don't subscribe to it, that there's

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Speaker 5: anything after, that's just wishful thinking. And I think this

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Speaker 5: film does a really good job of not hitting anyone

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Speaker 5: over the head by any means, but just letting the

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Speaker 5: stories speak for themselves. I will say, also, not everyone

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Speaker 5: in the film even believes.

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Speaker 6: In life after death.

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Speaker 5: We don't assume kind of anything of the audience and

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Speaker 5: we definitely don't want to subject them to this is

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Speaker 5: what it is, it and that's it. You watch the

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Speaker 5: stories and you see the research and yeah, and the

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Speaker 5: hope is that you.

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Speaker 6: Come to conclusion.

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Speaker 5: But it's for sure a conversation starter, like it'll get

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Speaker 5: someone I think ninety percent there if they're considering something

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Speaker 5: after and I think it's just like you're gonna have

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Speaker 5: all kinds of really interesting conversations after having watched this film.

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Speaker 7: One of the cool things too, is the way that

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Speaker 7: the story is told and the journey that you go

547
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Speaker 7: through is through a skeptic. His name is doctor Michael Sabam,

548
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Speaker 7: and he takes you through that whole journey of every

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Speaker 7: question you're hoping to ask, he's asking it in real

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Speaker 7: time in the it. So it's very I want to say, refreshing,

551
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 7: because you don't like, you don't feel like, ah, like

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Speaker 7: I wish they just said this or asked that. So

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Speaker 7: it's a beautiful I think way or door into the

554
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Speaker 7: conversation as well, because it really does ask some of

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Speaker 7: the hard questions. And also I think it's this perfect

556
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Speaker 7: merriment of the real stories which tugs at your heart.

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Speaker 7: But then also the facts and the science and the

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Speaker 7: scientific community that's done a lot of research into this.

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Speaker 7: So it does this beautiful merriment of both the heart

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Speaker 7: and the mind in terms of how you enter the conversation.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So it's told Truugh the story of the skeptic. But

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Speaker 2: let's talk about some of the people who are in

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Speaker 2: the movie. Captain Dale Black, author of Visiting Heaven, Don Piper,

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Speaker 2: author of ninety Minutes in Heaven, doctor Mary Neil, author

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Speaker 2: of To Heaven and Back She's spine surgeon John Burke,

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Speaker 2: author of Imagine Heaven. Doctor Jeffrey Long, author of Evidence

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Speaker 2: of the Afterlife, who just came out with he's talking

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Speaker 2: openly that after five thousand near death experiences that he studied,

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Speaker 2: he is one hundred percent certain there is an afterlife.

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Speaker 2: And of course we all know doctor Raymond Moody, author

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Speaker 2: of Life Afterlife and so many more who coined the

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Speaker 2: phrase near death experiences. Plus, isn't there something like fourteen

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Speaker 2: people that you have within the film?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we interviewed fourteen people who made it

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Speaker 5: into the film kind of one way or another. That

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Speaker 5: doesn't include we do have some archival as well, been

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Speaker 5: a mash into the film, which show that again, this

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Speaker 5: is something that's been studied all around the world, not

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Speaker 5: just here in North America.

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Speaker 6: So many pre interviews too.

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Speaker 7: I wish we could have been able to include a

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Speaker 7: lot more, but you have, you know, sometimes an hour

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Speaker 7: and a half for two hours to try to make

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Speaker 7: the case or make the story. But yeah, there's just

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Speaker 7: so many, just unbelievable the amount of stories there are.

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Speaker 2: Maybe with the digital copy there could be some of

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Speaker 2: that bonus bonus features. I've got some of the heavy

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Speaker 2: hitters there, and these aren't and nothing wrong with just

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Speaker 2: the average man or woman that has a near death

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Speaker 2: experience because it's real. But sometimes when you hear it's

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Speaker 2: a scientist, it's a spine surgeon, medical doctor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pilot, I think there's something really profound about There's

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Speaker 5: two things that kind of jumped out at us when

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Speaker 5: we were going through these different stories. We were gravitating

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Speaker 5: towards people that had something to lose and telling their story.

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Speaker 5: And then besides that and sometimes coinciding with that, someone

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Speaker 5: that would maybe have changed their entire life around to

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Speaker 5: move away from selfish motive to selfless motive, And that

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Speaker 5: it was serious enough and real enough that they would

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Speaker 5: be willing to risk everything to change their life around

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Speaker 5: and commit to that life long and then to us,

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Speaker 5: there's got to be something real about that experience, because

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Speaker 5: why on earth would you do that If they're just

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Speaker 5: making it up, that's a very strange move. I don't

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Speaker 5: know what they'd be, like, no logical purpose for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there are several people in our film that had something

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Speaker 5: to lose. Mary's story was that she's been depicted in

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Speaker 5: a few other films as a spine surgeon.

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Speaker 6: And actually, just.

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Speaker 5: Like on a personal level, Mary's pretty introverted. She likes

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Speaker 5: to keep to herself, and she wrote the book because

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Speaker 5: she was told in her experience that she needs to

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Speaker 5: tell her story. And it's a long story. But the

615
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Speaker 5: writing of her book was a whole interesting endeavor as well.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't so simple and it didn't just come about overnight.

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Speaker 5: But she she's shy about sharing personal details of her stories.

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Speaker 5: She has a family, and she's a spine surgeon. She

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Speaker 5: has her own medical practice out in Wyoming, and she's

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Speaker 5: doing fine.

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Speaker 6: She's happy as she is.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't want to open herself up to the world

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Speaker 5: and expose who she is and what she believes and

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Speaker 5: what she experienced. But she's compelled to do that because

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Speaker 5: she's told to tell her story, so she does. And

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Speaker 5: if I remember, doctors and nurses and stuff in her

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Speaker 5: medical community, those are our colleagues, those are her friends.

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Speaker 6: And most of the people.

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Speaker 5: In that field don't really believe it in any of

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Speaker 5: this kind of stuff, and none of them are advocating

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Speaker 5: that we need to talk about this openly.

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Speaker 6: It's just not a thing.

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Speaker 5: And so for her to go and share that so openly,

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Speaker 5: she's risking her credentials. She's risking like kind of her

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Speaker 5: perception right of what people might think of her, and

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Speaker 5: putting that a risk. She has nothing to gain by

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Speaker 5: writing a book. She doesn't need the money. She's doing

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Speaker 5: well obviously as a doctor and with her own medical practice.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, she's a private person. So it's like

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Speaker 5: all these reasons to not tell her story, and yet

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Speaker 5: she does. Now she didn't have to change her career around.

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00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 5: She's already doing work in service to people and helping people.

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Speaker 5: But there are some stories of people who, let's say,

644
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 5: were in the military, and they have a near death

645
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 5: experience and suddenly they can't use weapons anymore. Suddenly they

646
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: can't continue missions anymore because this is like counter to

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Speaker 5: what they experience, counter to what they learned in their experience.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the biggest transformations that we have

649
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Speaker 5: in our film is not the only one, but it's

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Speaker 5: Howard Storm. It's a bit of our hero story and

651
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: we just came to love Howard and you never know

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Speaker 5: how it's going to turn out. And we interview all

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Speaker 5: these people and we just we soak up kind of

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Speaker 5: these stories as they come to us, and it's so

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Speaker 5: amazing to be able to meet these different people and

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Speaker 5: hear their experiences. But Howard just there's something that was

657
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Speaker 5: really just grabbing us, pulling out our heart strings, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's just it's amazing that somebody who's he would call

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Speaker 5: himself at the time like a staunch atheist, like he

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Speaker 5: was very serious about being an atheist, and he also

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Speaker 5: living I think it was like fifteen to twenty years

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Speaker 5: being an atheist. So this isn't just like a new

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Speaker 5: thought or new idea or ideology or worldview. He's just

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Speaker 5: there's nothing after confidently to the point that he's going

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Speaker 5: to he's on his death bed and he's about to

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Speaker 5: take his last breath because he's fighting to continue to breathing.

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Speaker 5: So all he has to do is give up fighting

668
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Speaker 5: struggling really hard to keep breathing. And then he just

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Speaker 5: says goodbye to his wife. And he knew that for himself.

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Speaker 5: When he says goodbye, and then he slips to become unconscious,

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Speaker 5: that's just going to be it. He's not going to

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Speaker 5: exist anymore. And to his surprise, his conscious experience continues

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Speaker 5: where he was just all of a sudden up out

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Speaker 5: of the bed in a different place, and then he

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Speaker 5: sees himself in the bed.

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Speaker 6: And he knows where to go.

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Speaker 5: That's him or that was him, But he just doesn't

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Speaker 5: want to think about that because then then you got

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Speaker 5: to think about that maybe you're dead.

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Speaker 6: Right. So his whole.

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Speaker 5: Story is fascinating in that his experience one eighties his life.

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Speaker 5: So who he was before wasn't just an atheist. There's

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Speaker 5: nice people who are atheists around. He was, as he

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Speaker 5: called it, he lived his life. How do I jump

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Speaker 5: on the shoulders of other people so I can get

686
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Speaker 5: ahead of other people? Like it's dog eat dog. There's

687
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Speaker 5: no point in life aside from getting status, being famous,

688
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Speaker 5: getting as much money as you can and at the

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Speaker 5: expense of people, of his relationship with his family and

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Speaker 5: friends and.

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Speaker 6: That kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: Everything was a backseat to him and his focus and

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Speaker 5: his career and his desires in this world, and all

694
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Speaker 5: of a sudden doesn't want to do that anymore. And

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Speaker 5: his wife didn't recognize him, his kids didn't recognize him.

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Speaker 2: Let's squeeze in a quick break now, and then we'll

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Speaker 2: come back to hear the rest from the After Death movie. Guys,

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Speaker 2: you're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's producer Tom of Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 3: and more. Sandress starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain

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Speaker 2: and we're talking to Stephen Gray and Jen's Jacob, the

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Speaker 2: director and producer from the new movie After Death. You

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Speaker 2: can find out more about the movie Get Yourself a

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Speaker 2: ticket go to angel dot com forward Slash after Death,

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Speaker 2: but it premieres in theaters across the United States and

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Speaker 2: Canada October twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. Right now, we're

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Speaker 2: hearing the story about Howard Storm, who was a staunch atheist,

714
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Speaker 2: and he was a guy all about himself, didn't care

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Speaker 2: about others. He didn't die when he thought he should have,

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Speaker 2: and as a result of his near death experience, became

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Speaker 2: a different person, became a good guy. So let's continue

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Speaker 2: hearing about the story of Howard Storm.

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Speaker 5: And eventually his story ends up pretty sad, like his

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Speaker 5: wife and kids leave him and he hadn't spoken to

721
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Speaker 5: them for years after this whole incident. So then he

722
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Speaker 5: actually leaves his profession because he just he's surrounded by

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Speaker 5: people that no one believes in this kind of stuff,

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Speaker 5: and he just doesn't really feel like he's doing anything

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Speaker 5: for people in the profession he was, and so he

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Speaker 5: leaves it, takes a ninety percent pay cut, and becomes

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Speaker 5: I think it was a pastor for shortly after, and

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Speaker 5: then all the way told today in service of others

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Speaker 5: and doing all kinds of missions trips and working with

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Speaker 5: like inner city people in the area he's in.

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Speaker 6: That's his life.

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Speaker 5: Like I say, the expensive, his family, everyone he's known, everyone,

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Speaker 5: everything he was before is gone. But for him it

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Speaker 5: was all worth it because this is what he's.

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Speaker 6: Supposed to do and we are. Yeah, it's a pretty

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Speaker 6: big change.

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Speaker 2: The film isn't all rainbows and butterflies, because there is

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Speaker 2: another side to near death experiences. Correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: But people who have near death experiences, some of them

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Speaker 2: really grieve because they'd rather be there than back here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, most people that we talked to felt that way.

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Speaker 5: But hearing there's stories some people only had just an

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Speaker 5: out of body experience for moments. Let's say you did

744
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Speaker 5: not opering tale or something like that, but that experience

745
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 5: was already enough, and the feeling of detaching from their

746
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Speaker 5: body and not feeling pain anymore and being in this

747
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Speaker 5: warm light and feeling love and all of that feeling

748
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Speaker 5: and all that description was enough that they're homesick and

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Speaker 5: they go through years of depression. Typically, that's a very

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Speaker 5: kind of typical kind of story for a lot of

751
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Speaker 5: people who had in your experience, and also because they

752
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Speaker 5: come back that no one's going to believe them or

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Speaker 5: no one does, and so they're lonely, and also they

754
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Speaker 5: miss that place they were in. But yeah, to your

755
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Speaker 5: earlier point, Sander, we tried to get as broad as

756
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Speaker 5: we could with the kind of stories we're telling and

757
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: interviews many people as we could, whether in our film

758
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Speaker 5: include three stressing or hellish narrative experiences. And I don't

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Speaker 5: know if that's like a perfect ratio of the kinds

760
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Speaker 5: of experience that are out there, but we just wanted

761
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Speaker 5: to be open and honest and just sharing the big

762
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Speaker 5: variety of experiences that people are having, including there's some

763
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Speaker 5: people that have in their need to experience that go

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Speaker 5: to a place that they might call the void, but

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Speaker 5: for them, it's that place which seems to be almost

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Speaker 5: like descriptively the same as someone who had a distressing

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Speaker 5: the narrative experience. For them, it wasn't that it was

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Speaker 5: the absence of light, but an awareness in a place

769
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Speaker 5: that exists that's nothingness, but they're still aware and there's

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Speaker 5: still themselves in this nothingness. And then it was actually

771
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Speaker 5: peaceful and it was almost like this gap for a

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Speaker 5: moment and it was peaceful. And actually there was a

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Speaker 5: few people that we talked to I don't know that

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Speaker 5: we included in the film, but they felt like almost

775
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Speaker 5: like a presence or heard a voice or something. But

776
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 5: again we're only in this void, not seeing anything. So

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Speaker 5: it's really interesting all these kind of varied experiences, and

778
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Speaker 5: we just wanted to explore what does that variety, what

779
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Speaker 5: does that look like, and be open and honest about

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Speaker 5: all these different neared experiences.

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Speaker 2: Are there any religious undertones to this or is this

782
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Speaker 2: kind of open for everybody form your own beliefs. Here's

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Speaker 2: the information we've got.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really made for everyone. The thing about death

785
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Speaker 5: is it affects everyone.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: I grew up as a Christian. My faith was I

788
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Speaker 5: think it was renewed after going through these neartive experiences

789
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Speaker 5: and learning about these stories, and I just concluded for

790
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Speaker 5: myself that I think there is heaven, I think, and

791
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Speaker 5: that's the hope that I have too, even for my

792
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 5: brother in law, that I can see him again, which

793
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Speaker 5: is that keeps me going, right, That gives me hope.

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Speaker 5: But we don't spoon feed anyone in the reality of

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Speaker 5: an afterlife, and so in the same way, the same

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Speaker 5: thing for kind of the religious stuff too. We of

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Speaker 5: course we have people in the film that they are believers.

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Speaker 5: Not everyone is, but that's not the whole film, because again,

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Speaker 5: death affects us all and we want everyone to come

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Speaker 5: to the table and hear these stories and the science

801
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Speaker 5: and the data behind it and draw your own conclusions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Guys. How can we watch the film?

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Speaker 2: I know I mentioned it in the beginning, but you

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Speaker 2: also have pay it forward? Can we talk about the

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Speaker 2: logistics of people going to see it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So you can go to angel dot com slash

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Speaker 5: after Death and there you can get tickets. We also have,

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Speaker 5: like you mentioned, we have a paid forward program, which

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00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 5: is really cool. It's something new that maybe that's something

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Speaker 5: that Angel does really well. And so if you go

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Speaker 5: to a different url Angel dot com slash life after

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Speaker 5: there you have a page where you can buy tickets.

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Speaker 5: You can also pay it forward for someone else. And

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Speaker 5: the whole purpose behind that is we've done it ourselves,

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Speaker 5: even as directors and producers in the film, just making

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Speaker 5: accessible for people who otherwise can't get to the theater

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Speaker 5: to watch it. And these are real people that do

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Speaker 5: you use these free tickets. So they're both paid for

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Speaker 5: by real people, and they're both used by real people

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Speaker 5: and We've heard from countless people that are very thankful

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Speaker 5: that people have paid it forward, and so we want

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Speaker 5: to keep that going and make it accessible for really

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Speaker 5: everyone to be able to watch the film. So if

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Speaker 5: you can, you go to angel dot com slash life

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00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 5: after you can pay it forward for as many people

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Speaker 5: as you want. And if you can't watch the film

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Speaker 5: or you don't have the means to buy a ticket,

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Speaker 5: you can also use that same ye real to claim

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Speaker 5: a ticket. You can also claim a ticket from people

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Speaker 5: that have already paid forward.

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Speaker 2: That sounds so good. You guys have been working your

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Speaker 2: butts off getting the movie done and now advertising it.

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Speaker 2: What do you, guys thinks possible if you had a

834
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Speaker 2: little magic wand and you could be ten years out

835
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Speaker 2: in the future to see what might happen out of it.

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Speaker 7: Season ten of After Death, say it again, I said,

837
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Speaker 7: season ten of After Death, this series, I've.

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Speaker 6: Got something amazing. Yeah, I mean we're all in on

839
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Speaker 6: that idea. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Our hope is that, yeah, it that it blows up,

841
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 5: and I mean in a good way, just for that

842
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 5: that people find hope, right and that people begin to

843
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Speaker 5: ask questions that haven't thought about this before, This reality

844
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Speaker 5: of life after death, and we know even from making

845
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 5: this film there's so many more stories to tell, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: we would love to continue telling more stories.

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Speaker 6: We just want to see how the film does.

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Speaker 2: Anything else you guys want to share before we say

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Speaker 2: goodbye and ask people to go buy a ticket.

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Speaker 7: Pre sales are such a huge indicator, So if you

851
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Speaker 7: can tickets are already on sale, go and find a

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Speaker 7: theater that's local to you. It is what is the

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Speaker 7: strongest indicator for how opening weekend does, which is then

854
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Speaker 7: the domino for how much longer it's going to be

855
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Speaker 7: in theaters, how many theaters it's going to be in,

856
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Speaker 7: what international looks like. So it's a big task to

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Speaker 7: try to get the audiences to go out buy a

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Speaker 7: ticket now and even pay it forward if you feel

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Speaker 7: like there's somebody else in your life that you'd like

860
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Speaker 7: to bring with you or pay it forward to.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Steven.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just hope that this just has an impact

863
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 5: on people's lives. This is the real purpose for me

864
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Speaker 5: making the film. But yeah, I hope people begin to

865
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Speaker 5: ask questions who haven't.

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Speaker 6: Thought about it before.

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Speaker 5: But also even for this life that we have here,

868
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Speaker 5: if you're beginning to ask questions about the reality of

869
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 5: life after death and if that is real, what could

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Speaker 5: that mean for this life? How could we think about

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Speaker 5: living life differently here? And so yeah, I just hope

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Speaker 5: it causes reflection and to an earlier conversation, I hope

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Speaker 5: it just that it does have that impact on culture

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Speaker 5: and that more and more people start talking about they're

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Speaker 5: near to the experience.

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Speaker 2: Oh, those are great words. I just want to share

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Speaker 2: one last story with you. In my previous career before

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Speaker 2: COVID hit, my mom and I owned a lucrative catering

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Speaker 2: business and work with race car teams. We've had fifteen

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Speaker 2: hundred people. We were at Daytona and the big races.

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Speaker 6: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: After my book came out, one of the race car

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Speaker 2: drivers came up to me, a bit older, not too old,

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Speaker 2: but he's now a TV announcer. Yeah, Sandra, what's your

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Speaker 2: book about. He was trying to feel me out if

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Speaker 2: it's okay to tell his story, and then he told

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Speaker 2: me that when he was young, he was in a

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Speaker 2: car accident, rushed to the hospital, he ended up floating

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Speaker 2: above his body, looked down, saw his mom and dad

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Speaker 2: and brother praying for him, and in the afterlife, he

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Speaker 2: was greeted by his grandmother and grandfather and he said

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Speaker 2: they were so real that it made this life seem

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Speaker 2: like just a dream. And he got to choose, and

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Speaker 2: he wanted to come back. We saw them praying for him,

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Speaker 2: and he wanted to come back. But he said, Sandra,

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Speaker 2: without that fear of dying, I didn't have a fear

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Speaker 2: of living. So he says, I was able to get

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Speaker 2: in that race car, drive over two hundred miles an hour,

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Speaker 2: win a countless amount of championships because it took away

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Speaker 2: his fear of dying. So it's not my idea that

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Speaker 2: people drive that fast, but with the potential of this film,

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Speaker 2: people will still be a little hesitant, as it's normal

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Speaker 2: about dying. But if we know that we truly cannot die,

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Speaker 2: that we go on who are we and what is

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Speaker 2: our life for? So I'm so grateful that I've gotten

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Speaker 2: to spend this hour and talk to you guys, and

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Speaker 2: let's do it. Let's help people of life to the

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Speaker 2: fullest and reduce some of the fear of dying and

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Speaker 2: help people have relationships that work and good conversation over

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Speaker 2: what's possible all through the film.

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Speaker 6: Thank you both, Thank you so much, Senadra.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're excited for you to see it, and we

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Speaker 7: want a full report after. We want to we want

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Speaker 7: to hear your full review.

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Speaker 2: You bet, I'm going to tell them my honest review.

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Speaker 2: Really good guys, and it really gives me a lot

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Speaker 2: of pleasure to share good people up to good things

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Speaker 2: with the afterlife and helping us all ultimately live life.

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Speaker 2: Join our Patreon club if you haven't already, go to

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Speaker 2: We Don't Die dot com where you can get all

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Speaker 2: past episodes of this show and my other show, We

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Speaker 2: Don't Die Radio, which is primarily interviews, so I think

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Speaker 2: you'll love it. Also, we offer a free Sunday gathering

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Speaker 2: with medium demonstration included. Plus we offer at home classes

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Speaker 2: you can tap into your own medium abilities and your

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Speaker 2: loved ones may come through. They're very special classes. Again,

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Speaker 2: We Don't Die dot com and Don't forget go to

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